my new office is full of dogs — and I’m allergic

by Alison Green on July 29, 2015

A reader writes:

Thanks to your amazing advice, I was able to land a fantastic job with a big raise after years of stagnant dead-end work. My first day I walked into the office…and it was full of dogs. They have a dog-friendly office, which was never advertised or communicated during the hiring process.

I’m allergic to dogs, VERY allergic. Within ten minutes of arriving at work, my eyes are red, itchy and watering, my nose stuffs up and I get a headache from my swollen sinuses. This is what happens when I’m on medication! If I skip the meds, I break out in hives, start to wheeze and I run the risk of my throat swelling closed. I went to my doctor who referred me to a specialist. I’m already on the strongest meds they give out, and they said as long as I “expose myself” to allergens, this will keep happening and might get worse over time.

I tried to work with my company to fix this: they put me in the far corner away from the majority of the pooches where I’m near a door I can prop open, they have a company that cleans bi-weekly and they let me work from home one day a week. The nature of my job demands that I be in the office at least four days a week, I really have no wiggle room. Even working from home one day a week has been a stretch and caused some negative feelings on my team, even though they hear me sneezing every 20 minutes when I’m there!

It’s been 2 months and while I love the work, love the company and love my coworkers…I’m miserable. I’ve considered looking for a new job, but every job I’ve seen in my field has a “dog-friendly” office. I’m at a loss – their dog-friendly office isn’t ME-friendly. What can I do?!

Ugh, yes, this is the other side of benefits that some people love.

Lots of people are thrilled at the idea of a pet-friendly office, and lots of pet-friendly offices operate successfully. But they really only work in the long-term if there are effective plans for accommodating people with allergies, as well as people who are afraid of dogs (or other animals) or just not comfortable around them.

In a larger workspace, that can mean having pet-free floors. In a small office, that might not be feasible. (And as you can see from this story about someone with allergies who worked in Amazon’s dog-friendly offices, being on a pet-free floor didn’t quite work as smoothly as it was supposed to.)

Working from home can be a solution, but as in your case, that’s not feasible with every job.

The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) does require employers to make “reasonable accommodations” for employees with qualifying disability if doing so won’t impose an “undue hardship” on the operation of the employer’s business. But what’s reasonable to ask, and what’s an undue hardship?

To get an answer, I consulted two awesome employment attorneys: Donna Ballman, author of the awesome Stand Up For Yourself Without Getting Fired, and Bryan Cavanaugh.

Donna and Bryan both agreed that based on your description, the allergy is likely to be covered as a disability under the ADA (which covers “a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities”).

So if the law covers you, what does your employer have to do in response? Bryan says: “To its credit, the employer has already been interacting with this employee to see if there is anything reasonable the employer can do to help the employee overcome the limitations and allow her to do her job. The efforts the employer has offered so far – moving the employee’s desk by door, allowing the employee to work from home one day a week, cleaning the office bi-weekly – are nice but they have not solved the problem. Therefore, technically, neither the employee nor the employer has identified an ‘accommodation’ yet. An accommodation is a modification that allows the employee to perform all of the essential functions of his or her job. That is not happening yet, since none of the ideas mentioned has worked.”

So realistically, what else might you try?

Donna suggests working with your doctor to see what she suggests:

“If there are allergy shots or other medical solutions, great. But they may also be able to suggest some reasonable accommodations you haven’t thought of. Questions I’d ask the doctor are things like:

1. Is there a spray or something that can be put on the dogs that would keep them from spreading allergens?
2. How far away do you need to be for you to be safe from the dogs?
3. Would any kind of filter or mask work for you?

If the doctor can come up with some reasonable accommodations you can ask for that would address your allergy, the employer has to either grant the accommodation, engage in the interactive process with your doctor and you to come up with an alternative accommodation, or demonstrate an undue hardship.

If there is no accommodation that would allow you to work in the presence of dogs, then the other question to ask is of your employer, namely, whether the dogs are an accommodation for anyone else’s disability. (The ADA also covers emotional support dogs and service dogs, so you have a real pickle if the dogs are there due to disabilities of coworkers.) If not, then a reasonable accommodation might be to ask that the dogs be kept at home or in a doggy day care. It won’t make you popular with your dog-loving coworkers, but an accommodation like that is probably reasonable under the law.”

Bryan agrees:

“One accommodation that would work would be banning all the dogs (except service dogs) from the office. That is something the employer needs to consider seriously. An accommodation is not reasonable and does not need to be offered if it would create an ‘undue hardship’ for the employer. Usually that means an unreasonable expense to the employer. But here, there would not be a direct expense of banning dogs from the office. Rather the employer should consider ‘the impact of the accommodation upon the operation of the facility, including the impact on the ability of other employees to perform their duties and the impact on the facility’s ability to conduct business.’ Banning the dogs would lower morale, but it would not appear to harm the business itself or the business’ operations. This is not a veterinary clinic where it is necessary to have dogs in the workplace. Although we do not know what the business does, the business can presumably operate without animals in the workplace. So while banning dogs may be a drastic change and hurt morale, the employer must consider doing this in order to comply with the ADA.

Whether an accommodation is reasonable and whether an accommodation would present an undue hardship are fact-intensive inquiries. We do not know enough facts to say definitely one way or another whether the employer is required to ban all dogs (besides service dogs).”

But I suspect you really don’t want to be the person who causes your coworkers to lose a benefit that most of them probably love. That comes with its own set of issues.

Bryan also suggests:

“From an HR perspective, the employer should continue to interact with the employee to see if some other modification would solve this problem. For instance, the employer should consider moving the employee to another remote location within the office, moving the employee or his or her own personal office, purchasing a special air purifier, and re-arranging the office such that only employees with low-dander dogs are near this employee. If none of those work, they this employee and employee could very well be facing the choice of (1) banning dogs from the office, or (2) telling the employee to deal with the situation as is, which sounds like it would effectively make the employee resign due to health concerns.

If the employer faced that choice and chose option #2, the employee could file an EEOC charge and then take the employer to court and litigate the issue the whether option #1 would have constituted a reasonable accommodation that the employer was required to implement.”

So again, ugh.

If I were in your shoes I’d go back to your manager and HR and say this: “I appreciate you working with me on moving my desk and setting up telecommuting one day a week. However, I’m finding that I’m still suffering severe allergy symptoms and my doctor tells me that they may worsen with increased exposure to the dogs here. So I need a different medical accommodation to be able to do my job and want to talk with you about what’s possible.”

But if none of the lighter-touch accommodations work, this may come down to a philosophical decision on your part about whether you want to push for the dogs to be removed, or whether you’d rather look for a job that either doesn’t come with dogs or which is set up to allow you to avoid them more easily (by telecommuting or finding a company large enough to give you an office far away from the dander).

This isn’t an easy one.

What do others think?

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  1. Episkey*

    I feel for you, but I would be really upset if I was used to being able to bring my dog with me to work and then suddenly wasn’t able to. Sorry.

    1. Rita*

      I’m totally not a dog person, but I agree with you. It’s a big perk. It’s unfortunate that the employer never mentioned this, as there are people who look for this in a company.

      1. Paige Turner*

        Yeah, it’s obviously too late for the OP now, but the first thing that this company should be doing is telling all job candidates from now on that not only is it a dog-friendly office (they should go ahead and put that in the job postings I think) but that specifically, there are between x and y number of dogs in the office on a regular basis. They still need to think about reasonable accommodations for the OP and possible future employees, but the fact that they unintentionally kept this information from the OP is a problem. I love dogs, but I don’t expect to see them at work unless it’s specifically mentioned.

        1. Hlyssande*

          Yes, this. Not only would it have been smart to tell the OP before hiring that it was a dog friendly place, but they would probably be even more attractive to applicants if they advertised it from the start.

          1. Flycat*

            Yeah, I used to work in a company with lots of dog friendly offices (our office was not dog friendly). When I got serious about a candidate I would flat out ask them if they were okay with dogs since it was likely that they would be exposed to dogs. No one ever said they had an issue and I am not sure what I would have done if they had said there was an issue.

        2. Episkey*

          I completely agree this should have been fully outlined and explained in the interview process. :/

              1. The dog allergic op*

                The interview took place at the office in the front conference room. To get to the cubicle farm you have to go through a locked door and the dogs stay with their owners. So the most I saw was a dog free front area.

                1. Anon Accountant*

                  This is a similar setup to my first post-college job. You entered a main door, dialed an extension and were interviewed in a front conference room. You didn’t see the actual work area until after you were hired. This was just standard operating protocol for them.

                  They didn’t allow dogs but if they did you wouldn’t have seen them from a job interview.

                3. jasmine*

                  To me, not being allowed to see the area in which I’d be working or to see my future co-workers going about their jobs would be a huge red flag. I’d be wondering what horrors the company was trying to hide.

                4. Kyrielle*

                  I agree, converting the conference room to your office – if it’s truly tolerable for day-long (rather than interview-long) stretches – may be the only option open to them besides banning the dogs, in the end. Of course, if it’s the only conference room and is often used, I don’t know how “undue hardship” would play with that, and I’m not sure that being stuck there would be awesome either, but….

        3. Serin*

          Absolutely; I’m afraid of dogs, and if I knew in advance that an office was full of them, that’s a job I wouldn’t apply for. (Now, I could be covered with cats from head to foot all day long and be in perfect bliss.)

          1. Windchime*

            I’m also afraid of dogs in general. I like many individual dogs that I have met, but my first thought when I see a dog coming towards me isn’t usually, “Oh, yay, a dog!”. I think it’s because I’m a cat person and I have a hard time reading dog body-languge.

            My close friend is allergic to cats the way the OP is to dogs. She can last a couple of hours at my house and then the violent sneezing and congestion starts. No amount of pre-cleaning or de-catting the house helps; she is so allergic that she can still tell the cat is there. My sympathies to the OP; hopefully the office will start telling potential hires that the office is full of dogs.

            1. Dynamic Beige*

              I’m with you. I witnessed a dog attack when I was a kid that has unfortunately disabused me for life that dogs are all sweet and wonderful. Your pooch may be the most amazing wonderful loving whatever dog in the history of dogs but I don’t care. Keep it a safe distance from me and eventually I may decide that I agree with you — if your dog is well behaved. And there should be a “no crotch sniffing” command that is taught at all dog training. Why yes, I am a cat person, practically since birth, why do you ask?

              At OldJob a couple people brought their dogs in at night and one of them would crap in the hall. I mean, ew. Sure, the owner picked it up, but I never saw steam cleaners in there.

              1. jasmine*

                When I grew up my family had a couple of wonderful dogs, but many years later, I was bitten by a roving dog on the street while on vacation, and since then I’ve kept my distance from them. Also, I work as a software developer, which is a job that requires constant concentration and attention to minute details, and I’d find it very distracting to have dogs wandering around all day. I’d suspect that if the OP’s accommodation was to get dogs banned from the office, there would be at least a sizable minority of co-workers who’d think it was an improvement – they may have been silently tolerating the dogs just to get along with their coworkers or bosses.

                1. Pixel*

                  I’m an accountant in public practice and some clients bring in their documents in cardboard boxes that live on the floor by my desk while I work at them. It will definitely a challenge to explain to the clients why their bank statements and invoices were chewed or peed on. On the other hand, pets make the world a better place – but I just can’t reconcile the smell and energy of dogs with working in an office that needs to be reasonably clean and presentable for clients.

        4. Tyrannosaurus Regina*

          Agreed 100% about telling all candidates about the pet-friendly policy. I’m shocked they just spring this on new hires.

          I worked at a pet-friendly place—but it was a spay and neuter clinic, so anyone with debilitating animal allergies wouldn’t have applied there anyway. As much as I love my dogs and enjoyed being able to bring one of them to work with me when he had an elaborate series of meds he needed after surgery, I don’t know that I’d really want to work in a non-animal-oriented office that allowed pets. Too many folks are allergic or genuinely afraid, and their comfort trumps my reluctance to spring for doggy daycare, imho.

          1. Biff*

            I don’t see HOW it could be sprung on the new hire though — surely she went to the office at some point for an interview or some introductions. How do you miss all the dogs?

            1. Karen K*

              OP interviewed in a conference room that was outside the main office. The OP never saw a dog.

        5. simonthegrey*

          This. I would never take a job at a dog-friendly office. I don’t like dogs – I don’t like how they smell, I don’t like that they lick, I don’t like that they might jump on me. I have had bad experiences with dogs in the past. I love cats, and there are some individual dogs that I can love (my sister has the sweetest, best tempered dog in the world and I like him) but overall, my reaction to dogs is quite negative. I don’t care if that makes me a downer; I would feel really lied to if I took a job and showed up on the first day to find my coworkers all brought Fido to the office.

          1. Jeanne*

            I don’t like dogs either. I’ve had some very negative experiences. They smell, they jump, they lick. I don’t want them near me. I know in today’s society that makes me a horrible person. If I was not told and showed up and everyone had dogs, I might jump right to calling a lawyer. I don’t know the exact legal basis but I would ask.

            Why would they not tell a future employee?

            1. Lassie Come Home*

              And this may make *me* a horrible person, but so be it: if some new employee tried to take away this perk, to ban dogs from a dog-friendly office, I would absolutely shun and ostracize the new employee socially. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.
              The company should have disclosed the dog-friendly office up-front, of course.

          2. Sarah*

            Oh god, my best-friend-when-I-was-14 had a Labrador that was good as gold when the family were around, but me & him was all about nose-in-crotch & jumping up at me and HUMPING me. I stopped going round to their house ASAP, & would never work with dogs!

          3. WildLandLover*

            I can’t say that I really care for dogs either for all of the reasons you listed plus some. That said, I grew up with a dog and I used to own two dogs that I took care of until they died a few years ago. After that I said no more because I recognize I am not a good doggy mommy — not enough patience, for sure (nor do I own cats for the same reason).

            But, even when I had dogs, I did not expect to take them to work or anywhere else for that matter that was not a traditional dog-friendly place. We took them camping, for walks, and they were free to run around in our fairly good-sized yard.

            What is it these days that people think they should be able to bring their “precious” into a workplace . . . or a store . . . or anywhere else dogs have never in the past been allowed? And I’m not talking about service dogs covered under the ADA.

            Are people so self-centered these days they think of no one else — those who are allergic, those who are scared of dogs, those who just don’t like dogs? What gives?! The other day, my husband saw someone with a small dog in her arms in a grocery store for crying out loud. A shedding, stinky animal she was holding while she was picking out lettuce . . . Ugh.

            By the way, one of the experts consulted said something about emotional comfort dogs being allowed under the ADA. This is not entirely true. Under the ADA, several governmental entities are responsible for developing regulations for their areas of jurisdiction (Justice Department for State and local governments; HUD for housing; and DOT for transportation). The revised 2010 regulations from Justice for State and local entities specifically states that emotional comfort animals are not recognized as service animals and do not have to be allowed (although they can be, if the local operating entity decides to do so). However, under housing regulations, they are recognized and must be allowed.

            As you can imagine, this creates all kinds of confusion for everyone involved. People wonder why they can have their emotional comfort animal at home, but cannot bring it to the local museum. I suspect this is why, in part, we’re seeing more and more dogs everywhere in places we’ve never seen them before. The business owners and managers don’t know their rights and responsibilities under accessibility law and regulations.

            I implore all dog owners to consider others, particularly those who are severely allergic, like the OP.

            1. Honeybee*

              You know, I love love love dogs, but I have *always* been really weirded/grossed out by non-service dogs in grocery stores (and restaurants). I love my bugger, but she licks her butt and anything tasty at eye level, and she sheds like crazy. Why would I want her anywhere near the food that I and thousands to millions of other people will eat?

        6. K.*

          Agreed. I’m mad at the company for not disclosing this at the outset. Dog allergies and fears are common and it seems like this hasn’t come up before at the company, which is really surprising to me.

        7. Emily*

          Yeah – I love dogs, but even I would be surprised to see a bunch of them at the office. I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t mention it early on in the hiring process, especially since there are bound to be people with allergies (like OP) or other issues.

        8. rdb0924*

          The LW said the employer didn’t disclose the dog-friendly policy. So, were the interviews for this position conducted off site, or were all the incumbent employees told to leave the dogs home that day, or something?

      2. Sadsack*

        What if bring your dog to work day was one day a week instead of every day? It could be the day that OP works from home.

        1. ScotlandLove*

          Understand where you’re coming from, but pet allergens spread just from their presence. I brought a box of reports home and my coworker broke out in hives the next day after I brought it back because he is super allergic to my cat. He’s still afraid to touch that particular document lol

          1. Nashira*

            I have entire years of documents like this at my office, thanks to my hideous dust allergy and a state government too cheap to clean properly. I pretty much know that once we get past the year 2013, it’s Benadryl, gloves, and mask time.

            1. MsChanandlerBong*

              Yes! I can’t touch old file boxes or anything like that without getting little blisters on my knuckles. When I moved into my house, the landlord had just put new carpet in, and I couldn’t even walk barefoot for months. Whatever chemicals were in the carpet also caused blisters and itching.

          2. Valar M.*

            Yep. I have severe allergies and sometimes I’ll touch something totally normal like a door handle and suddenly break out into localized hives. Its awful and people think you’re crazy until they see it for themselves.

        2. BRR*

          I’m going to guess that wouldn’t work. Dog hair is like glitter, it gets everywhere and you can never get rid of it completely.

          1. ElCee*

            So true. And if you have a short-haired dog, it weaves itself into the threads of whatever fabric you are wearing, so that you are never without that special essence of canine. -_-

            1. AvonLady Barksdale*

              You have obviously seen my wardrobe. I have several dresses with buddy hair in them that just won’t work its way free.

            2. Chani*

              Yup. When I was a teenager, I knew it was time to wash my bra when I started finding dog hairs embedded in it. Some of them were quite painful. :(
              For that matter, a couple of times I got dog hair embedded in my heel! They’re like frigging needles! I still shudder at the memory :/

      3. JB (not in Houston)*

        Yeah, I can’t believe that this was never mentioned. LOTS of people have dog allergies. Lots of people are afraid of dogs. Lots of people just don’t like them. I feel like we kind of have an attitude in this country that if you don’t want dogs around, you should suffer in silence.

        1. moss*

          Totally agree. I love dogs. But I am very cautious around dogs. They’re faster, smarter (in some ways), and stronger than I am. They are only cool because they want to be. If they got frightened or hurt and lashed out… well,that could be very bad for a bystander.

        2. Jeanne*

          Yes. We’ve gotten to the point that if you don’t like pets you are an awful person. I don’t know why but I despise it. I don’t want to be around dogs, cats, birds. Is it really so awful to control your dog on his leash or put him in the bedroom if you invite me over? The comfort of your pet is more important than the comfort of your guest. Ick.

          1. The Strand*

            I agree with leashes, people who abhor leashes in open air are not being respectful to others, but for many of us, the animals we live with are like family. We are not going to lock up Aunt May all night because a (non allergic) guest came over, though it is crucial Aunt May not jump on them or start tugging on them, either.

            1. Broke Law Student*

              But a dog isn’t a person, it’s just not. You may feel like your dog is sort of like your family, but it’s incredibly rude to put a person in a bedroom all night because the guest feels uncomfortable with him/her, and just not for a dog. Putting a dog in the bedroom is normal, friendly, kind behavior to your guests! If you have a guest who is scared or allergic, I would seriously rethink the refusal, because I do think that your guest’s comfort is more important, for a few hours, than your dog’s. Obviously if you were talking about a roommate or someone living long-term, your answer could be different!

              1. Biff*

                Uh no. The dog is a person, just not a human person. And that person LIVES in my house. It is THEIR house, not yours. If you don’t want to interact with my dog, that’s cool by me, but don’t come over and insist I put the dog away.

                2. Biff*

                  I am up-front about the fact that it’s the dog’s house. And she goes most places with me, so most people don’t ‘miss’ the fact I have a dog.

                4. Jeanne*

                  No, dogs are not people. They don’t behave like people. No one else licks me and sniffs my crotch when I go out to dinner. Inviting a friend over is about hospitality, making people comfortable. If you can’t put your dog in a room for an hour because I have a real fear and am immune compromised, then you are not hospitable. People care about their friends and their comfort or they are not friends.

                5. mander*

                  I happen to like dogs, but if I had one currently I’d keep it away from any guests unless I knew they were ok with them. Especially if I knew my guest was allergic or afraid of them. It strikes me as incredibly rude and unfeeling to demand that my guest be uncomfortable in my house because I’m unwilling to put the dog in the kennel or the back yard for a few hours.

              2. S*

                I don’t even have a dog, but I would be extremely upset + guaranteed to not invite that guest to my home again if they insisted that I needed to put my dog in a room when they’re there. My dog is the one who lives in my home, not the guest.

              3. Kelly*

                My parents got a Weimaraner after I left for college and the dog is rather pampered. He’s a big dog, whose size was a bit too much for some visitors, including my father’s late mother. He was 45 lbs at 4 months and is 85 lbs as an adult. He lost his invitation to grandma’s house when she saw him as a puppy. The dog is gentle and well trained. He’s been trained to go to the floor if someone doesn’t want him sitting next to them. He did go through an extended puppy phrase, but that’s common with the breed. Even during the first couple years, he was ready to settle down after his long walk. The most expensive thing he destroyed was the remote and he’s never peed on the furniture/flooring or bitten anyone.

                The issue with him is his size. My dad’s family really likes little, yappy dogs. His late mother had this Maltese which never was properly housetrained or taken to obedience training. The dog never had much of a tolerance for young kids, even as a puppy. Given that there were families with younger children as frequent visitors, a sensible dog owner would have seen that as a problem. Not my grandmother, who was rather self centered. We learned to avoid the dog when we visited. My mother and one of her sister in laws banned the dog as a visitor because of its lack of manners.

              4. The Strand*

                I would not put a person or a dog in a bedroom all night. A cat, yes – I put them in the back of the house on Halloween to make them and the trick or treating kids more comfortable, and the dogs outside.

                If it was someone deathly allergic who was a dear friend or family member, I would put them into a hotel or consider petsitting. Frankly, someone that allergic wouldn’t do well in the house because of the dander in the air, so a hotel would be safer for them. But someone who doesn’t *like* animals demanding that I put them all away all day? That’s not great guest behavior. That’s like my mother in law who insisted we buy her a coffee maker before she visited so she could make her own coffee.

                It’s not normal, friendly, kind behavior if the dogs bark and whimper all night.

                We keep our guest bedroom closed at all times and the pets are not supposed to be in there. If my guests want to cuddle with a cat all night, they can, but no one has to worry about a pet being in their face, they get a private room to sleep in.

                I do have a friend who is allergic (but not deathly allergic), and a little nervous about most pets, but likes to come over. We get the dogs outside for part of his visit, we clean the room and all dander, put down a blanket, and provide allergy medication for him if he needs it. I also have gates to separate my pets if needed, so someone can do work on the house without my dogs going nuts. An hour’s nothing, but five hours of a guest just wanting them to not be around – yeah, I’d just rather meet at a restaurant, thanks.

            2. Honeybee*

              Eh, I disagree, and I have a dog. I love my dog, but it’s safer and less stressful for everyone involved – including her – if I put her away in a bedroom with some treats and a chew toy if a friend who doesn’t like dogs comes over. A few hours in a bedroom won’t kill her; she runs free every other day of her life. (Plus my dog is the kind of dog who will try to aggressively love you.)

          2. Joline*

            I don’t think people who don’t like pets are awful people. But honestly – the comfort of my pet is worth more to me than the comfort of most people.

            The first time you come over if you tell me you’re uncomfortable I’ll put the dog away – but after that I kind of feel that you know what you’re getting into if you want to visit. I make an effort to be respectful of other people when out and about with my dog (ensure that I take an edge table at Starbucks and put her on the non-people side of the table, etc.), but if I have a friend or family member that doesn’t want to be around dogs I’ll probably just suggest we go somewhere that isn’t my home. My house is covered in dog hair anyway, no matter how much I vacuum.

            1. AvonLady Barksdale*

              I will put my bud in his crate if a friend is really scared of him or he’s acting up, but someone who comes to my house and makes disdainful remarks about my dog will not be invited back. He’s a good boy and I am super diligent about him jumping and being annoying. Mostly he just sits in the corner. Even my friend who’s not a fan accepts his presence because I am her friend and the dog is part of my household.

              1. Joline*

                Well, and that’s the thing. I’ll try to keep my friends comfortable. And especially if they’ve never met my dog before I’ll crate her if they’re really overwhelmed or uncomfortable because she can be rather exuberant and she is large (and yes – she’ll get put away if she’s just being a brat – even with people who are generally fine with dogs). But if I have a friend who is dog averse enough to not want to be in the same room on a regular basis then I think going forward I’d generally be happier to just visit at their house or meet out for a coffee or dinner than lock my pup away.

            2. Mochafrap512*

              Both you and buff in Kansas, which is where I live it is illegal to take a non-service animal into a grocery store or restaurant. Where do you live and how do you get away with it?

              1. Joline*

                Starbucks in many places has outdoor tables. And since it’s not an enclosed patio you can have your dog with you – you’re technically on a sidewalk and they can’t prohibit people from having dogs there. People who bring their dogs to bars/restaurants with fenced patios usually try to get a table on the edge and then just have their dog on the other side of the fence.

          3. Episkey*

            I have a friend who is very allergic to cats and we do put our cats away when she comes to visit our home for the evening. She also has to bring her inhaler and take medication and I feel awful. Putting the cats away doesn’t solve the problem of her allergies, but maybe it helps a little bit. However, if you just don’t like my pets….well, sorry, but they are part of my family and their comfort to me is more important than your comfort! We can meet at Starbucks then lol.

          4. Amberz*

            I’m really not too fond of dogs either, in fact I’m mildly afraid, but as long as the owner makes sure their dog doesn’t jump on me, it’s fine. I’m not going to insist they lock it away when I’m there… That’s just rude.

            I have a cat and she hides from new people anyway but seeing how upset she got when we put her in the basement one time because my sister’s friend is really allergic to cats, I’m not sure I’d do it just because someone didn’t like cats or whatever. Mind, she sleeps in one of our bedrooms most of the time anyway so it wouldn’t be too bad to lock the door but what if she needed to eat or go to the bathroom? Lots to consider.

            1. JaneB*

              I would do the same thing I do when there are workmen in the house; provide my cat with everything she needs in a room where she already hangs out (usually the spare room/study, where she has a preferred bed and window sill) – food, water, a fresh litter tray – and just shut the door on her. She doesn’t mind too much – like most cats, she’s a little skittish around new people or changes in her environment. And although she is my furry housemate and my good companion, she is a CAT, and doesn’t have the same thinking about social interactions as us smart monkeys….

          1. Jeanne*

            I can tell from the thread here. We are evil if we don’t want to love your pets. Some of us think animals are actually animals and won’t suffer life long harm from not socializing with everyone. And the ones who are most vociferous about defending their pets are usually the ones with the ill-behaved pets I’ve found.

            1. Honeybee*

              I was actually really surprised to see the turn of this thread. I already had sympathy for OP and people who don’t like dogs, and now I have even more sympathy, because it appears that many dog owners really are that way. (I have a dog myself, and I love dogs, but humans are more important and my dog belongs at home most days.)

              1. No where to go*

                Thank you!! Some dog owners believe they are the most courteous, even when they are not. They think I love my dog so everyone else will too. I love dogs, was a dog owner…but developed a severe allergy to them as I aged. Lately, I have difficulty going out in public as people believe every place is open to dogs. One woman came into Home Depot toting 3 Labs in leashes (although not under control), planes, restaurants are allowing pets in, but I think my worst is the people that put them in the carts at grocery stores and Walmarts. Yes having your dogs genitals resting where I am gonna put groceries is sooooo reasonable . Maybe I should try the dog parks, I bet they are empty these days.

        4. oldfashionedlovesong*

          Agreed. I have asthma and animal/dust allergies, though the latter are not as serious as the OP’s. It’s really distressing to me that so many people, here and with whom I interact with in person, don’t seem to understand or care how awful it is to have trouble breathing. It feels like drowning, or like you’re a fish that someone removed from water and left on a table. People die from asthma attacks and histamine reactions on a regular basis, and it is an excruciating way to go– it almost happened to my asthmatic mom when I was a middle-schooler (she was fine after a few days’ hospitalization, though the ER doctors told us she would have died if we’d let her sleep like she asked). It blows my mind that there are some pet owners who would be okay with subjecting fellow humans to this torture because of their preference for their pet.

          Leaving aside respiratory reactions, my family friends recently got a dog; he’s half-grown now and already enormous. Supposedly he’s in obedience school, but every time I visit he bites my arms and clothes to the point of leaving welts and ripping my shirts. My friends think it’s sweet, that it’s just “puppy behaviour” and he just likes me, and make no effort to put him in another room when he starts going after me. Between that and the asthma and allergies, I used to visit them at least twice a month and now I rarely, if ever, go over there– and it makes me sad that they’ve essentially chosen a dog over a person they’ve known since their kids were babies.

          1. The Strand*

            Yeah, your friends are going to be very sorry when he grows to full size. There is no excuse for letting your dog overwhelm someone who is afraid of dogs, much less someone who is allergic!

          2. Honeybee*

            Maybe that’s why I feel so sympathetic to the OP; I have seasonal allergies and asthma, and I know what it feels like not to be able to breathe and to itch everywhere. It’s not fun, and I would rather keep my dog home than put someone else through that.

            And yes, it is puppy behavior – behavior that you have to train him out of. It irritates me when people think their dogs are just going to magically mature into well-behaved adults. They have to be taught that certain things aren’t okay. And one day they’re going to be sorry if their dog bites someone who doesn’t like dogs and wants to press charges or, worse, get the poor dog put down.

      4. MK*

        Not mentioning the dogs was not “unfortunate”, it was downright idiotic. The people who would have a problem with this for whatever reason are not so rare that it’s reasonable to omit mentioning it.

        1. AnonAnalyst*

          Yes, this. I worked for one company that was dog-friendly and have interviewed at several dog-friendly offices over the years, and this has always been mentioned to me upfront, either in the job posting or during a phone screen (presumably, to avoid situations exactly like this). I’m really surprised this employer didn’t think to mention it at any point. Allergies and fear of dogs aren’t unusual, and it’s not just assumed that dogs will be present in the office (where people with allergies might think to ask specifically).

        2. Sadsack*

          I also wonder why, if it is such a perk, it wasn’t mentioned as being a benefit of working there.

      5. Stranger than fiction*

        Yeah and unfortunately it could cause hardship for the employees because them they’d have to arrange for daycare or dog walking or whatever when they didn’t have to before…but they ABSOLUTELY should have warned you that was extremely shortsighted on their part

        1. stellanor*

          I got my dog after getting a job at a dog-friendly company. I might not have gotten a dog otherwise because I know I work long hours and it wouldn’t be fair to a dog. If they decided dogs weren’t allowed in the office I’d have to hire a dog walker every day (my dog would not do well in doggie daycare at all), which would be a HUGE expense.

            1. stellanor*

              Because of my industry it wouldn’t be too difficult to find another job at a dog-friendly company. I would also almost certainly end up with shorter workdays and a shorter commute. The dog-friendliness is a huge perk at my current company that makes the long hours workable. (They also pay a bit under the industry average, so if I changed jobs the pay raise would probably be greater than the cost of a dog-walker.)

              I’d manage to work it out if I changed jobs, but I doubt I’d stay if my current employer decided not to be dog-friendly anymore. It would be revoking a huge perk I was promised when I took the job.

    2. AMT*

      I would feel bad about losing the perk, but I’d feel angry at the employer rather than at the allergic employee. Seriously, they’ve NEVER thought about what would happen if they hired someone with allergies? Never had to accommodate someone before? Never set aside a dog-free section?

      1. NickelandDime*

        This! I am really angry at this company for this. A LOT OF PEOPLE are allergic to dogs!

        1. Cass*

          I see what you are saying – but I think most (or at least the people I’ve come across, including myself) the allergies aren’t as severe as OP’s. I have a dog allergy but with medication, I am fine keeping my two rambunctious pooches around me all the time. This is a really tough situation, I feel so bad for the OP!

          1. Anonathon*

            True. My spouse is technically allergic to our pets, but it’s completely addressable with medication.

          2. AnonAnalyst*

            I think this is true, but I also don’t know that it’s reasonable for the employer to just assume that employees are fine with taking allergy medicine to get through every work day. I think giving people the heads up up front and letting them make that choice is far better (and again, unless this is like a veterinarian clinic, most people wouldn’t anticipate that the office would be full of dogs without prior warning).

            1. AMT*

              Good point that allergy medication can itself be disabling. I took a Zyrtec a couple of days ago and was completely wiped out. It’s one thing to have to take medication that keeps an illness at bay; it’s another thing if that illness is caused by something your employer has control over.

              1. stellanor*

                I’ve found I tolerate over the counter allergy medications extraordinarily well… unfortunately they do nothing whatsoever for my allergies, so until someone works out a way to ban grass from the universe I’ll just be over here sneezing.

            2. Jeanne*

              Yes. Why should an employee HAVE to take medication? This situation is not the employee’s fault. If I took Benadryl every day I would just sleep all day at work. And I bet the expense of the medication is not covered.

              1. Not So NewReader*

                Dog lover here. And I totally agree with you. No employee should have to do this, ever.

            3. S*

              +1. The assumption that “they should just medicate” is a really odd slippery slope. Allergic to dogs? Medicate! Migraines ‘cos of our weird strip lights? Medicate! Too stressed because we’re demanding impossible things that make you stressed? Medicate!

            4. Cordelia Longfellow*

              Excellent point. I’ve been getting allergy shots for five years, but I can’t take anti-histamines because they interact with my other medications and turn me into a narcoleptic. I will take Benadryl if I’m on the way to the ER, but that’s really not a sustainable solution.

          3. Jen S. 2.0*

            And plenty of people just plain don’t want to be forced to take pills every day, especially for something that’s not a necessary part of life and/or work. If your anti-anxiety meds are what make it possible for you to make it to work to make a living, that is one thing, but allergy pills every single work day for something that doesn’t have to be in your sphere is something else entirely. Allergic pet owners **choose** to have those pets. That’s not the case here.

          4. AcademicAnon*

            It’s not that most people aren’t that allergic, it’s that it’s a MAJOR PROBLEM is for the people who are that allergic as it’s a major impact on all aspects of their lives, and for the people who are so allergic that it’s life threatening, avoiding that trumps everything else. I say this as a pet lover who would love to work in pet friendly location AND someone who has pet allergies.

        2. Koko*

          Did anyone else think it was odd that OP mentioned that most jobs in her field apparently have dog-friendly offices? Is this a situation where she lives in some hipster mecca like Seattle and most offices period are dog-friendly, or what’s going on that her non-dog-related line of work is full of dog-friendly offices??

          1. Biff*

            I find her story kinda weird from step one — she seems to have stepped in the office for the first time on her first day. Where did she interview? If at the office, how did she miss all the dogs all over?

            1. Another HRPro*

              This was my thought exactly! I’ve never accepted a job without seeing where I was going to be working first. And unless her nonprofit is related to animals I really can’t imagine that all similar nonprofits have dogs in the office.

              1. stellanor*

                I work in a secure building. Interviewees are allowed on the first floor but nowhere else, and the area of the first floor they interview in is a no-dogs area so they probably wouldn’t see any around. No one gets further into the building unless they’ve signed an NDA, and that doesn’t happen until your first day on the job.

            2. davey1983*

              I used to work for the US government– I interviewed in the complex I worked in, but not in the actual area I would be in (technically, it was the building adjacent to the building I worked in).

              The OP may have only had a skype or phone interviews. When I interviewed for my current position, I couldn’t see my work area because the building was not yet completed.

            3. Panda Bandit*

              She said they interviewed her in a conference room at the front of the office. There weren’t any dogs up there and she never saw the back offices until after getting hired.

            4. mander*

              I’ve only been on one interview in my life where I got to see what the actual workplace looked like before I was hired, and that was a restaurant that I had been to as a customer. Every other one I was taken to a conference room or similar for the interview.

          2. Lexi*

            She could be working for an ad agency. Most of them that I’ve seen are dog-friendly – especially the ones that focus on digital media.

      2. CrazyCatLady*

        Yeah, seriously. Have they never heard of dog allergies? If the dogs are such a big part of the office, you would think they’d mention it sometime!

      3. Kelly L.*

        Yup. Why did they not communicate “Oh, by the way, we’re dog paradise here!” That could be a big selling point for some, a dealbreaker for others, and would help them get hires who like it.

        1. Green*

          An allergic person could still accept the job and ask for accommodations. The “fair warning” doesn’t alleviate company’s responsibilities under the ADA.

          1. AMT*

            Exactly! Just saying, “Fair warning: we love dogs, so you have to love dogs!” doesn’t make it okay to refuse to provide an allergen-free workplace for someone with a genuine medical issue.

            1. Brandy*

              so in theory a severely allergic person could apply, get hired and then make the company not have pets around (due to eeoc)?? That doesn’t seem like it should be right.

                1. VintageLydia USA*

                  Yup, and it is right, because someone’s ability to do their job without fear of dying is more important than whether you get to bring Toodles everywhere. Unless Toodles is a service (not therapy) animal, of course. Then the company needs to find a way to accommodate both.

                2. AMT*

                  Exactly. It’s like saying, “Why would a wheelchair user choose to work here if we don’t have ramps?”

              2. Florida*

                What if Mr. Wheelchair applied but his desk was up one step and the office refused to install a ramp, would that be right? Or if Ms. Deaf was told that all instructions would be given verbally (with no interpreter) because that’s how they did it before her arrival. Would that seem fair? The only reason this accommodation doesn’t seem right is because it involves dogs instead of inanimate objects. But this employee deserves a workplace where she can breathe and not get hives.

                1. katamia*

                  But having desks that are one step up and only getting verbal instructions aren’t office perks, just how an office currently works. Bringing your dog in to work is a major perk. It’s not just because dogs aren’t inanimate objects.

                  I’m not saying OP would be in the wrong if she did try to get a dog-free office because legally and morally, she’s entitled to ask for it. But it really isn’t the same thing, and I understand Brandy’s saying that it doesn’t seem like that should be right even though it is.

                2. Traveler*

                  The hearing impaired part would be an entirely different issue though as there are specific laws around interpreters. Actually, there was an interesting case not too long ago about whether or not a movie theater was obligated to provide an interpreter (at their cost) for a hearing impaired person wanting to watch a movie under those laws.

                3. Florida*

                  Traveler – the hearing impaired/interpreter issue is covered by the same law that would cover severe allergies. This is the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990.

                4. Traveler*

                  Right but aren’t there specific protocols about what allowances have to be made and who is responsible for paying the costs associated it? I don’t think its the same thing with allergies, but I could be wrong.

                5. Florida*

                  The fee is always picked up by the employer or business owner. If you own a business, it is your responsibility to make it accessible to customers. It’s not the customer’s responsibility to pay for something so that you don’t discriminate. Most small business owners and many large businesses don’t realize that. It’s easy to think of it when we talk about wheelchairs. It is the owners responsibility to install an elevator, not the customer’s responsibility to figure out how to get to the second floor without climbing stairs. Well, all other accommodations work the same way.

                  There would be times where a customer decides that it is easier to hire their own interpreter (or whatever accommodation) than to argue with this business owner or to file a lawsuit. But legally, the business owner or employer is obligated.

                  Similarly, many have said that OP should find a new job because it might not be worth it to get it resolved. That doesn’t mean that OP isn’t entitled to a dog-free workplace. It’s whether she wants to invest the energy that might be involved in accomplishing it.

                6. Traveler*

                  I am for accommodations. I used to work for the hearing/speech impaired. I just wasn’t involved in the legal part of it. You’re preaching to the choir. I was just pointing out the ADA law doesn’t specifically call out allergies that I recall, in the same way it calls out other disabilities.

              3. Ask a Manager* Post author

                Yes. Just like the company would need to provide wheelchair access or breaks to take medication or screen-reading software or any other disability accommodation that didn’t cause “undue hardship” (using the legal definition).

              4. Green*

                Yes. In the same way that I can come into a workplace knowing that there are no standing desks but then request one, or knowing they have a set bathroom break schedule but requesting additional bathroom breaks to accommodate my ADA condition. Or requesting special accommodations for blindness or deafness or wheelchairs. It is only if you can’t perform an essential job function or if it’s an undue hardship that you are not entitled to accommodation if you have an ADA protected disability.

                The point is that people with valid disabilities shouldn’t have to choose between jobs and health.

                1. Green*

                  Also reposting this for ADA clarification: Most people’s allergies to pets can be controlled with medication or result in only mild discomfort (instead of significantly impacting a major life function – i.e., breathing), so they wouldn’t be entitled to an accommodation. This is an ADA issue because OP has a severe allergy that is not controlled by medication that significantly impacts a major life function.

              5. A Person*

                It’s absolutely right. Being allergic shouldn’t disqualify you from a non-animal related job. Or think of it another way. What if a current employee developed a severe allergy? Should they have to resign? Hopefully not.

            1. Laurel Gray*

              So much this. Just the same way a person may choose to self select out if during the interview they found out that the actual site of their office would be in SketchyPartOfTown and they would be expected to work late.

            2. Florida*

              It is reasonable for someone to self select because they don’t like dogs but a person with a disability does not need to self select. I worked at a place that never printed anything in Braille. It wasn’t part of our procedures. But then we got a blind employee, so things changed. If the blind employee only applies at places that already printed an extra copy in Braille, she would have never found a job.
              i agree that they should print it in the ad or at least mention it in the interview to allow people to self-select, but I also think that a person with a disability should not have to opt out because a company doesn’t want to make a reasonable accommodation.

              1. OhNo*

                Disabled people don’t NEED to self-select, but they might WANT to if they get information like this about an office. For example, if an office said that they had no ramps or wheelchair access, by ADA rules I don’t have to self-select out of the interview process… but I would anyway because I don’t want to work for or around the kind of people that think ramps and access are optional.

                So the goal of sharing this information wouldn’t necessarily be a matter of making disabled people self-select out, but a matter of measuring fit between the employee and the office/management culture and ideals.

          3. Laurel Gray*

            While this is true, I can’t imagine someone doing this in the particular case of bringing dogs to work. I don’t believe someone choose to take a job and alienate their colleagues from day one.

            1. Green*

              Even if you had no other job opportunities and had bills to pay? I can’t think of anyone who would want to come in just to fight with everyone, but there are other life needs that may rank above whether everyone in the office is your buddy…

              1. AMT*

                Some of these comments make me want to yell, “You’ve never had a job you couldn’t afford to lose?!”

                1. Green*

                  Yep — I’d rather go into battle mode with the law on my side (and anti-retaliation provisions for asserting those rights) than worry about how my bills would get paid and a lengthening gap on my resume.

                2. Laurel Gray*

                  Sorry, but I think even in desperation, many people would put their health first and decline a job vs start working at a company guns-a-blazing to have a policy change to accommodate a health issue. Judging by the letter, I assumed that OP would not have chosen to work here if she knew beforehand. I don’t think a baker allergic to peanuts would work in a bakery where peanuts are used and try to have the menu items changed to accommodate her, even with bills piling up and a home in foreclosure.

                3. Green*

                  Laurel, the whole point of the ADA is that it’s not supposed to be Job vs. Health. You’re supposed to get reasonable accommodations in order to meet the needs of both a job AND your health. The baker-peanuts analogy doesn’t work if it would be an undue hardship for the business to accommodate. (Changing the products you sell is most likely an undue hardship.) Your analogy would work if this was an animal shelter or veterinary office.

                4. Jessa*

                  Laurel – no but a baker can use protective clothing to avoid the peanut exposure, and that is a reasonable accommodation at least in a larger bakery, in a tiny one it might be an issue.

                5. Protective clothing*

                  @Jessa
                  It sounds like you mean well, but ‘just use protective clothing’ is not entirely accurate. Speaking as someone with that particular allergy, I’d actually have to suit up like an astronaut, respirator and all, to *possibly* not be affected by it. It has to do with breathing in the particles as much as touching them.

                6. Laurel Gray*

                  Green, I agree with you and completely understand the purpose of ADA and believe all employers SHOULD adhere to it even if it ruffles feathers and denies people of a perk like bringing the pup to work. However, I stand by my opinion that many people in the OP’s shoes would have avoided this work place during their job search if they knew how heavily dog friendly it was. All possible economic factors aside.

              2. UKAnon*

                Yeah, I understand the comments behind ‘self-select out’ and ‘find a new job’ but… the OP shouldn’t have to. It may be wisest because this is an imperfect world, but the onus shouldn’t be on the OP here – especially here where it involves a perk which really is a big perk and is so non-essential to running the business (one presumes)

                1. Ad Astra*

                  She shouldn’t have to self-select out, but it’s reasonable to think she might have wanted to. We don’t know the OP’s financial or professional situation, but lots of people are able to turn down a position that isn’t a good fit. Keeping this information from the OP rendered it impossible for her to make an informed decision, and that really sucks.

                2. MK*

                  She shouldn’t have to, but realistically it won’t go well in the long run for the OP to become the most hated employee there.

                3. Kelly L.*

                  Yup. Some people (for various reasons) would choose to take the position and ask for the accommodation, some would (for various reasons) choose to pass, and some people would see the dogs as a plus. So they’re not just causing illness in people who didn’t know, they’re probably missing out on candidates who would want to work there. :)

                4. Chalupa Batman*

                  Ad Astra said exactly what I was thinking, only better than I would have said it. Good, bad, or indifferent on the issue of dog friendly workplaces overall, not even having the option to turn the job down or ask what accommodations are available before accepting wasn’t ok. For some people, a dog friendly workplace might work with the accommodations the OP has received. Since OP says this is common in their industry/area, someone with allergies may even already know what the dealbreakers are (number of dogs, frequency of doggie days, etc.) to make it work for them. Even if OP financially really couldn’t turn down a job, if it’s a choice between a job in your field or your health, many people would choose to leave their industry for a while to pay the bills before they’d accept work in conditions that were legitimately a health issue.

                5. Alice*

                  I get what your saying but I also agree with Ad Astra. It is something the employer left out that needs to be said. Even if I wasn’t allergic to dogs I would be a little peeved that they never mentioned the common occurrence of Fido in the office. It isn’t a thing that most offices have.

            2. M*

              I hate the idea of someone not being able to take a job they’d love (as the OP appears to here) because of a “perk” the other employees enjoy. I think making the office safe and comfortable for everyone should trump this perk.

                1. Molly*

                  Right. I’m confused — if the office is ADA-obligated to accomodate her medical need, couldn’t they also not refuse to hire the person if they’re allergic? I guess they could hope for the self-selecting out road, but if they’d stated that it was a dog-friendly office during the interview, and the applicant says they’re allergic but still interested in the job, wouldn’t this boil down to the same scenario they’re in now?

                2. Jessa*

                  Molly the only way they could refuse to hire is if there was no available reasonable accommodation. And there is one. Unless dogs are a requirement to the business – vet office, they are all service animals, agent that places animals in movies, etc. The most stringent reasonable accommodation would be “remove the dogs, or set aside a place FOR the dogs that is not on the work floor” ie, put in a doggie daycare, or a pro doggie floor and hire a dog minder. But there are numerous accommodations that could happen depending on the severity of the allergies or problem with dogs. And they can’t refuse to hire if there are any of them including removing the dogs, available to them. That would get them sued if it was found out.

                3. fposte*

                  It might; it might also mean that this changed the weighting between this job and another offer, or alerted her that she would have to undergo a negotiation she didn’t want to undergo. And if she had been afraid of dogs rather than suffering from something ADA eligible, she would have no legal leverage at all, so knowing in advance would be really important.

                  It doesn’t mean the employee has to disclose, but the workplace really needs to make it clear to an applicant any time there’s a situation out of the office norm that’s going to be a part of their work experience. “The highway closes in October and we have to drive over the lake to get here” or “the office keeps Kosher” or “we all have dogs.” It’s not good for employer or employee for the staff to be surprised once they actually start.

                4. Molly*

                  No, it’s not good to be surprised. But if her dog allergy is ADA-protected, one could argue that the company shouldn’t disclose it from a legal protection standpoint because they could be accused of not hiring for being unwilling to make that accomodation. Obviously not OP’s situation, and wouldn’t have been, I don’t think – but just saying that there’s a flip side. Devil’s advocate and all.

              2. PlainJane*

                This. I love dogs and am fortunate enough not to be allergic, but unless you work in a veterinary clinic or other animal-centric business, dogs are not essential to running the office. Maybe the employer could offer credit toward doggie daycare in lieu of this perk. But the rights of all employees to succeed based on professional qualifications (not lack of allergies) trumps the right of us dog owners to bring our pets to work.

                1. Anx*

                  I agree. I feel like a Debbie Downer, but I’d much rather work at a company that was flexible about taking care of my animals than bringing them to work (dog walker has the flu, I need come in late today).

                  There are also some businesses where I’d self-select out if I was not into dogs. Restaurants and breweries where I am have a lot of dogs. So I’d not apply to those. Small retail shops wherever I’ve lived tended to have dogs or cats. But people also bring their dogs into work on a college campus, and that kind of irks me because you’re contaminating a huge building at a public college with allergens for the next 2 years (I think it’s two) and I wouldn’t think to seek that out if I was interviewing to work or applying to a specific college (unless in was in an animal science program).

      4. INTP*

        A lot of people think non-life-threatening allergies can be treated with a daily pill or are just a little discomfort while exposed to the allergen. I personally cannot even take nondrowsy antihistamines daily – I need 11 hours to sleep off a Zyrtec or I can’t think straight. Even for those who can, they don’t control all symptoms. And it’s not just a little sneezing. Regular exposure makes you have frequent upper respiratory infections, worsens serious conditions like asthma, etc. many people with allergies base many life decisions around controlling their allergies (I had to pay higher rent for a nonsmoking building, I know people whose romantic lives have been seriously affected because they can’t live with an SO due to pets)…and then in a situation like this, people will assume you’re just waltzing in pettily trying to ruin their dog perk so you don’t sneeze.

        1. GOG11*

          I have asthma and it’s triggered by smoke and fragrances (among other things) and put up signs at work (HR’s idea) requesting that people not sit in the lobby that I’m in if they’re wearing fragrances or if they’ve been around cigarette smoke. One girl laughed at the sign.

          Go ahead and laugh. When my airways close and I die in front of you and traumatize you for life we’ll see who’s laughing.

          1. Lauren*

            Same thing happened to me! I put up a sign in the women’s restroom to kindly ask that women refrain from fragrant lotion/perfume, and I got laughed right out of there. It causes serious migraines for me and the team surrounding my cubicle was literally passing around a bottle of horrible lotion every day. Are you going to pay my ER bill or…?

            It’s amazing how people ignore policies when they don’t apply to them!

            1. MsChanandlerBong*

              I used to throw up every single day because my cubicle mate used a Glade plug-in 24/7. It gave me such a headache, and then the headache made me sick to my stomach. It doesn’t matter if I like the scent; whatever chemicals they use in some of them make me terribly ill. For example, I love fresh lilacs, but lilac-scented candles and air fresheners kill me. Same with vanilla and anything marketed as a tropical/beach scent. Once I find something I like, I stick with it (hello, Macintosh apple scent from Yankee Candle!).

              2. Ad Astra*

                Gross! Did you ask her to take it out? Using a Glade plug-in at your cubicle is already really weird, but to insist on using it after someone’s asked you not to is totally rude and kind of crazy.

            2. blackcat*

              My MIL used to do this when she stayed at my house–spray things I’m allergic to around and then chuckle. She “doesn’t believe in” allergies.

              1. GOG11*

                UGH. She was a guest in your home and she… I can’t even put it into words. How tacky, disrespectful and downright bratty.

              2. blackcat*

                She was trying to prove my allergies weren’t real by spraying things when I was out. The asthma attack I had upon arriving back to my own home was pretty intense–she apologized to my face, but told my husband and FIL that she thought it was all a show.

                I used to like my MIL until she got into this thing about proving that my allergies aren’t real–my husband and I used to live near them, so the overnight visits happened after YEARS of this never being an issue–I’m medicated all the time, and it takes some pretty specific stuff to get a bad reaction out of me. In all of my other interactions with her, she’s been lovely. So some people are just very weird about allergies.

              3. Cordelia Naismith*

                I think I would have to rescind the invitation and make her stay in a hotel if she did that. I know that might cause family drama, but so does deliberately exposing someone to allergens for no reason! That’s really appalling behavior.

              5. davey1983*

                Ugh, the people who don’t ‘believe’ in allergies are the worse! I’m not supper allergic, but I get headaches, a runny nose, and can’t think straight around cigarette smoke and perfume/cologne.

                I also find the individuals who say I can just live with it or take a pill every morning and just live with it rather annoying (and misinformed). Let’s see how productive you are when you have a headache, runny nose, and can’t think straight for 8 hours straight (allergy pills either make me drowsy, or have little effect).

            3. GOG11*

              But…but…my right to express myself by smelling like lavender melon mocha Christmas-cookie sprinkle surprise trumps your right to breathe!

              A little goes a long way, people.

              1. Tyrannosaurus Regina*

                Reminiscent of the great Air Freshener Battles of ’09 at my old job. Some people just Did Not Get that anybody could legitimately object to their use (their constant, liberal use) of those scented aerosol sprays. It became a whole Thing. They straight-up said they thought their “right” to use that garbage trumped another employee’s right TO BREATHE. Argh!

                Interesting article on Cracked.com from a person who suffers from a very serious allergy to a common scent: “I Am Deathly Allergic To The World’s Most Popular Smell”

            4. Rebecca*

              Yes! I get bad migraines from fragrances as well! And it has absolutely nothing to do with whether I like the scent, for some reason people seem to think that.

              I feel like people don’t marinate in fragrance the way they used to, though. Thankfully! I still remember growing up (late ’80’s/early ’90’s) that was much more common.

              1. Cath in Canada*

                I agree that people are generally better about not marinating in perfume now, but there are exceptions. I recently bought a top that someone must have worn and then returned to the store. It’s in like-new condition, but one thing I didn’t notice in the store is that it reeks of nasty perfume! I had to wash it three times before I could wear it (I’m wearing it for the first time today, actually). What must that woman’s house smell like?!

                Also, a couple of years ago there was someone waiting to get on the same 10 hour flight as me who I could smell from across the waiting area. I was so very very pleased that she wasn’t sitting near me – I think I would have had to move (I have the type of asthma that makes you cough instead of wheeze. I would have coughed all the way to London). Who puts on that much perfume before getting into a sealed metal tube with hundreds of people for 10 hours?!

                1. Rebecca*

                  Oh, yeah, there are definitely exceptions! The worst is when someone douses themselves in cologne/perfume and then gets on the treadmill next to me at the gym. That is way worse than BO to me!

                2. Alison Hendrix*

                  Yuck. I am not allergic to perfumes but I hate people who practically bathed in it – I don’t get it – if they have horrible BO it does not mask the BO – it just creates this heady mix of BO and floral, musky assault to nostrils.

                  I knew a guy who uses Calvin Klein like crazy. I can smell him approaching. I also have another guy friend who roomed with us a few months but he didn’t splash himself as bad as Calvin Klein guy, he wasn’t around much, however I knew he is/was there when I smell his cologne and I knew he was going out. The house would smell like cologne for a while, it even overpowered the smell of greasy food I was cooking.

            5. INTP*

              A woman I worked with knew that a) I had allergies and b) she wore a ton of perfume. They say that people don’t know they wear too much because their nose gets used to it – she knew and admitted it. Her suggestion was that I just stand far away from her. We had a ton of assignments together and she was especially inept with the internet and wanted my help. Was I supposed to insist my boss somehow allow me to do my job without being near her? (Also, a few feet away wasn’t sufficient, this woman could smell up a room.)

              1. Cordelia Naismith*

                I think your boss should have insisted that woman stop wearing perfume to the office.

            6. simonthegrey*

              My friend shares an office space with a chain smoker and is mildly allergic to cigarette smoke so the company installed a purifier in her office. Someone else in the office is really allergic to scents (lotions, detergents, body sprays) so they are not permitted to wear perfume or have scented lotion at her work. No one would get fired for it, but my friend has mentioned her boss talking to people before about how their body spray cannot be used in the office or even before coming to work. It does take effort to make sure that people stick to that, and sometimes people think, “oh, this doesn’t smell strongly to me” without realizing that it doesn’t have to smell strong to be dangerous.

          2. ScotlandLove*

            Ew she laughed? Gross. I have asthma and chronic migraines so smoke and fragrances are a big heck no for me too. My coworkers are good about keeping their stuff in their own space, but if it did leak over, I can’t imagine anyone laughing at me for requesting it be fixed. Terrible!

            1. GOG11*

              We are a university, so it wasn’t a coworker, it was a student. And I don’t think she knew who had the sensitivities as the sign just said to refrain from sitting there due to sensitivities.

              1. PontoonPirate*

                I once worked at a college and would have had no problem asking the student what was funny, then subsequently informing her in my driest tone that the sign is there for my benefit, did she have a concern about it?

                Then, I frequently rouse rabbles when maybe I should keep mum. Depends on work atmosphere, as always.

          4. INTP*

            I have cough variant asthma and am sensitive to the same things, plus pet dander (even pet owners themselves if they haven’t changed clothes since playing with their pets). Since I just get itchy eyes and cough a lot, people tend to assume I’m sick and glare at me for daring to inflict my germs on them. I used to have a boss who was constantly accusing me of being sick at work because every meeting with her would end in me having swollen eyes, a runny nose, and coughing my lungs up.

            I must admit that I do not feel a bit guilty about allowing people to think they’re doomed to catch a horrible cold by being next to me when they are the ones that triggered my symptoms. Though maybe I’ll start practicing radical honesty with strangers – i.e. on an airplane “I’m going to cough a lot, and possibly have a runny nose and eyes, but don’t worry, I am not contagious. It’s just that your perfume/intense smoke smell trigger my allergies and asthma.”

            1. GOG11*

              Mine manifests as a cough, too! It’s so harsh/abrupt that people think I’m sneezing. I’m glad I don’t get runny nose or swollen eyes, though I do get a hellishly painful burning/constricting sensation in my chest/throat that isn’t fun, either…

              Let’s all go on fragrance free retreats together and relish the ability to not only breathe, but breathe comfortably! I’d be totally willing to don a clean suit for that if necessary (I have kitties that get all up in my stuff so anything that’s been in my house is probably slathered in death dust, aka pet dander).

            2. Artemesia*

              I watched a woman spray perfume before disembarking from a plane after being asked not to and the woman next to me who asked her not to literally collapsed from an asthma attack.

            3. INFJ*

              I bet you love the “smoke much?” comments from strangers while you’re coughing, right?

          5. LadyTL*

            I had a job that actually that actually made wearing perfume despite being super allergic to perfume something I could get fired over. Of course it was only brought up because I mentioned a coworker’s heavy perfume/lotion. I was told it wasn’t “fair” for her to not be able to wear her scent because they felt I smelled (I didn’t, I had multiple people check for weeks and nothing).

          6. Hlyssande*

            My friend is allergic to the chemicals in any sprayed fragrance AND allergic to many other things like lilacs, dust, and black mold. And she’s got asthma.

            At her office, someone who didn’t believe her about allergies shoved a full bouquet of lilacs in her face with a snide comment about whether she was allergic to them or not. It caused an instant asthma attack and the coworker was able to get away scot free with a ‘it was a joke/I didn’t think it was serious’.

            I still don’t understand why she stays there.

          7. Stranger than fiction*

            Same here we actually have a no perfume policy and everyone on this floor ignores it

        2. Karyn*

          Yep, this. I take two Allegra a day, plus I have prescription allergy eyedrops and nasal spray and a steroid inhaler that I have to use every day or my pet and smoke allergies will destroy me. I won’t give up my cats, but I have to live in a nonsmoking zone and won’t go to bars where smoking is still allowed. It can literally kill me, since I only have one working lung.

          1. INTP*

            It kills me how I literally arrange my life around avoiding cigarette smoke – I pay higher rent, I now know to look into local smoking customs before moving somewhere (I was a naive Californian and assumed secondhand smoke was an obsolete problem in America), when I lived in Wisconsin I did not participate in dining on patios, outdoor concerts, beer gardens, basically any summer social activities, I do not have roommates because I can’t trust that they really understand the magnitude of the issues and they can’t go get some boyfriend that smokes and assume it will be okay if he does it outside – and then if I ask a smoker to make some tiny adjustment that I can’t do myself like not smoke right under my window, I’m making huge demands and interfering with their “rights.” Like I revolve my entire life around this and you can’t walk across a parking lot? Apparently I am supposed to just live on my own massive estate or private island if I don’t want someone to make me sick.

            1. GOG11*

              Not being able to move and function freely through society can be so limiting and so frustrating. While our conditions and experiences aren’t exactly the same (obviously), I can definitely relate to what you’re talking about.

              One time, at work, I ended up going into a coworker’s office and asking if I could close the door because someone had sprayed something and I couldn’t go outside (cold air would bring on an attack), couldn’t go to the ladies’ room (where it was sprayed), couldn’t go to another, empty office (would have to walk into and through the saturated area)…all I wanted was to be able to breathe and I couldn’t. Thank GOD my coworker didn’t have anything on and wasn’t around smoke or I’d have probably ended up with a really, really severe attack and possibly and ER visit.

              Everyone needs to breathe. Why is it so hard to be compassionate and sympathize with someone who can’t? It’s just moving across the street, just moving ten feet over, or waiting half an hour to light up. You can wait. If my airways close, I can’t.

              I meant to type the first paragraph and then, well, that went places… :/

            2. Windchime*

              I’m so thankful to be in Washington. It’s barely legal to smoke in public here now. Bars, restaurants–it’s all smoke-free now and it’s wonderful. I think casinos are the only public place where people can smoke indoors now.

              1. SystemsLady*

                I’m glad both my home state and the base state I’m in are public smoke free. The former I think doesn’t even allow smoking in bars and casinos, which my inner beer enthusiast appreciates.

                Luckily my asthma is very mild and places that smell smoky are (barely) tolerable for me, but I cannot remain in spaces where somebody is actively smoking.

                The trail left by overusers of certain fragrances in elevators though? Yup, as bad as fresh cigarette smoke.

            3. Stranger than fiction*

              Don’t even get me started on the people that insist on hanging their hand out the window with their cigarette…one day I got brave and pulled up next to someone doing that and said ” are you smoking that thing or am I?” I thought she was gonna follow me home and kill me

        3. Artemesia*

          People should not have to be on medication to cope with something imposed on them in the office like scents or dogs. I just don’t get the idea of ‘dog friendly’ in a place of work where the smells, dander and behavior are bound to be distracting to many, mildly repulsive to some and dangerous for a few.

          My attitude may be colored by the big shot I once worked with who brought the dog to work and allowed it to do things like pee on a pee pad in the conference room during a meeting. It was not a bad dog or a misbehaving one and it didn’t belong in the office. (oh she also expected the janitors to clean up the poop pads in her office and because she was related to the CEO the managers didn’t feel they could push back. At one point, one of the managers did it when the cleaning person quite rightly refused.)

          People like the OP should come before pets and especially pets in the workplace. Being on a high levels of medication day in and day out to accommodate someone’s pet at work seems abusive of the employee even if it worked.

        4. allergy medication*

          Yes. As a person who has experienced allergies, it goes something like this: I’m already in a weakened state from fighting off the allergen, then I’m taking (in my case, a Benedryl) just so I can breathe, but it literally puts me to sleep, and then I have to worry about others acting put out due to the inconvenience. There is absolutely no way I can perform at my best under these circumstances.

        5. M-C*

          I have asthma, and the side effects from medication make me very careful about controlling my environment so I don’t need them.. I like (some) dogs well enough, but principally outside, indoors the dander goes straight to my lungs.

          OP I’d like to point out that things can be a lot more tolerable for you if they dogs are kept clean, like they’re bathed at least once a week. That’d make the rest of the office smell better too, no doubt. So I’d suggest that as a reasonable accommodation for your allergies.

      5. Not the Droid You are Looking For*

        My company allows dogs in the office and in thinking back it was *never* brought up in my lengthy interview process, nor has it been mentioned in subsequent interviews I have participated in.

        It seems like we really need to start raising this.

        1. AvonLady Barksdale*

          Yup– totally should be! I guess I’m lucky, or perhaps just obsessed, but when I interviewed I mentioned my dog, and my boss said, “You can bring him! I love dogs!” It wasn’t a major selling point, but I did like that I could bring in my buddy from time to time. I also list the rescue I volunteer for on my resume. But reading this thread makes me very glad that my boss mentioned the dog-friendliness of the office the first day we met.

      6. nona*

        Same. I love love love dogs but I’d be upset about causing this much trouble for a coworker with allergies, tbh.

        1. Dang*

          I had the same reaction. I’d feel awful if I was doing something elective that was causing a coworker to have a negative physical reaction.

          Also, I had no idea that dog-friendly offices were so common. It seems kind of… bizarre. I love dogs and all, but I can’t imagine bringing mine to work to sit under my desk all day.

          1. Jen S. 2.0*

            Seriously! I had no idea this was such a thing. Is this supposed to be fun for the dog?

            1. AvonLady Barksdale*

              Mine has a good time at work. My co-workers love him, and we have small, open-plan office that he gets to explore at his leisure. He can sit at the window and watch the world go by, and he growls at all the weird things he sees. It’s a change of venue for him more than anything else, and a chance to hang out with Mama and all of her fun friends. One of my co-workers in another office was in town and she LOVES dogs but can’t have one, so bringing him in made her day so much brighter.

              Mind you, I don’t– and wouldn’t– bring him every day. He requires attention (not too much, but he is my responsibility) and he does get bored after about 2pm. The best days to bring him are when he’s sacked out from boarding or daycare the day before.

              It’s mostly for me, not for him, too. It’s nice to be able to bring him when, say, the cleaners are coming. He stays out of their way and doesn’t need to hang out in his crate all day.

              1. M-C*

                Unfortunately typical of many dog owners to think that a bored dog roaming all over the office and -growling- is actually making other people’s days brighter..

          2. Stranger than fiction*

            Same here, I’ve been at jobs where like one person like the owner brought their dog now and again

          3. Not So NewReader*

            I didn’t know there were so many dog friendly places, either. Am reading all this with curiosity because I really don’t expect to bring my guy to work, anywhere around here. My current boss said to bring my dog to work. I decided that once in a great while I might. I have been there 2.5 years. I brought him once. I have enough to do without checking on my little buddy every so often.

        2. SystemsLady*

          Same here. I use this wonderful, long-lasting lotion that just happens to be mildly floral scented. I don’t mind it, which is a good sign other fragrance-sensitive people won’t, but if it did bother somebody I would feel awful :(.

        3. stellanor*

          I would be furious with my employer for inconveniencing a coworker AND me, since I’ve made life decisions on the basis of being able to bring my dog to the office with me but also my coworker has the right to not feel like they are about to die.

      7. Jillociraptor*

        You’re absolutely right, of course, that the issue is that the employer didn’t think through the situation well enough to anticipate what would obviously be a problem.

        However, I don’t share your faith that the typical employee would see it that way! In these sorts of situations I think people tend to blame the “squeaky wheel” rather than the structural conditions that created the need to squeak. If the company were fully on the OP’s side and were willing to really go to bat on the “we messed up here but we need to make sure this works for OP” narrative, I’d feel a bit more confident that the OP would get a good result. Without that support, though, even though this is totally on the employer, I think the OP is likely to bear the brunt of the bad feelings.

        Such a crummy decision, but if it were me, I think I’d bail for a dog-free environment. It’s so hard to say that because our rights depend on the courage to demand them. Unless this were truly the only industry where I saw myself being professionally happy, I wouldn’t be willing to take the trade-off of the resentment of my colleagues for forty hours a week.

        2. Not So NewReader*

          This is a realistic projection of how this one could play out. Get rid of the dogs and then deal with the resentment. And that will be a while, as people have to find care for their animal and that will keep the issue fresh in their minds. Management might be fine, but OP could end up with five coworkers that glare at her all day long. I would have to figure out if I have the endurance/incentive to ride that out.

    3. Ask a Manager* Post author

      So here’s the part that I think is really interesting and tough about the question: What would you have the OP do, if no other solutions works for her? Would you have her decline to exercise the rights provided to her by the Americans With Disabilities Act and leave the job? (I don’t ask that to be snotty; I think it’s a genuinely hard situation with no easy answer.)

      1. MT*

        If the OP can find a similar job quickly, then I would just bail. If not, i would push for accommodations.

        2. Spooky*

          But didn’t the OP say that all the other jobs she’s found in her industry were also dog-friendly? If that’s true, finding a job that isn’t may mean switching fields.

          1. Chris80*

            I’m curious what industry this is that all the jobs she’s finding are dog-friendly. Where was the OP working before? I mean, short of it being the dog food industry or something, that seems like a very unusual problem. Also, I think I want to work in whatever industry it is.

            1. Laurel Gray*

              +1. Not a dog owner here but I would love working in an environment where a colleague would let me take their dog on my lunch stroll.

              1. Blue Anne*

                I would love to work in an environment where you could take my dog on your lunch stroll!

            2. caryatid*

              i work in creative services (graphic design, video production, etc) and all of the agencies i’ve worked with have a dog friendly office policy.

              1. Brooke*

                I’ve worked in creative services (I’m a designer) for 15 years both in Chicago and Los Angeles – about five different places – and not a single one allowed dogs.

                I don’t think it’s a creative services thing.

            3. S*

              A lot of small tech start-ups are becoming dog-friendly! My old company had a rule that as long as everyone was okay with it (as in, all-staff email with a picture of the dog in question and the rule that if anyone objected for any reason, then No Dog), dogs were allowed in the office. I think they now have 1 regular canine visitor, but even when I was there, there were a few days here and there when there would be a dog running around the office because someone was dog-sitting.

              Even my current nonprofit office is dog-friendly on Fridays, and it’s a decidedly more formal environment.

              1. Windchime*

                Our office isn’t specifically dog-friendly, but some people will bring in their dog under special circumstances (night-time code release or the day after Christmas when the office is nearly empty, or maybe if the house is being fumigated and Fido can’t stay home). People are expected to keep their pets quiet and contained, so the dog owner usually brings a baby gate. I think if it got out of hand, the practice would be banned but it hasn’t been trouble so far.

            4. The dog allergic op*

              I live in a small town, so not a lot of job options. My background is with technology companies so I’d have more options in a large town but my family (including mother with terminal cancer) is here, so I can’t just move.

              I’d push for accommodation and getting dogs out of the office but yesterday the office manager told dog owners that to accommodate me their pets had to be washed at least once a week to cut down on dander. Now people are walking by my desk muttering that I’m a dog hater!

              My team mate confronted me saying that her dog has a skin condition and can’t be washed that often and now the dog isn’t allowed in the office. I’m now vilified :(

              1. Biff*

                Can you install a simple air purifier? It might help you a lot with the issue.

                Secondly, how did you miss the dogs all over the office when you interviewed? I’m genuinely curious.

              2. Lizard*

                Good Lord. That’s the dumbest “accommodation” ever. How are they going to determine if the dogs have been washed? Or enforce it? Have a dog-washing station in the office foyer? Plus it’s unlikely to help, honestly. They should have just made a no-dogs policy.

                1. AnonAnalyst*

                  I know, this seems like the worst of both worlds. All of the coworkers are mad and the OP is still suffering.

                  Sorry you’re in this situation, OP. It sucks all around.

              3. Red Rose*

                I am so sorry you are going through this! Working in a dog friendly office would be a no-go for me and I’m not at all allergic. I’m just not very fond of dogs and do not want to spend my whole work day with them. It’s bad enough to spend it with their owners!

              4. Katie the Fed*

                I think you need to get HR involved. Your being harrassed because you’ve asserted your legal right to work in an allergen-controlled environment, and you want it to stop, yesterday. The management can absolutely say “this stops now, and the next person who makes snide comments to OP will face disciplinary action. Grow up.”

                2. Ask a Manager* Post author

                  Yes. What’s happening is actually illegal, OP. Please talk to HR and point out that you’re facing retaliation for a medical accommodation and ask them to ensure it stops.

              5. Nina*

                Ugh, this is what I was worried about. Your managers really screwed this up. They handled this poorly from the start, but now that it’s out, they need to make it clear to your coworkers that the health of their employees trumps the doggy privilege.

                Is is possible to have your own private office or work on a different floor?

              6. Jeanne*

                I’m so sorry. I worked in a small office with four people. I couldn’t breathe because of the woman’s perfume. I asked her to please wear less and after that she was out to get me. Got me in lots of trouble with complaints and lies. People are jerks.

              7. Grace*

                I’m way too passive to actually do this but I would definitely fantasize about sending out a video of someone having an allergy attack with all caps THIS IS WHAT YOUR DOG DOES TO ME on company email…at least on my last day.

                This is so illegal and such a tough situation because you’re in a small town. Best wishes for you, OP.

          2. JB (not in Houston)*

            That’s true, but maybe she could find somewhere else that could more easily or willingly accommodate her? I hate that she might have to leave what is otherwise a great job, but as someone who has really bad allergies, I can’t imagine staying in that situation.

            1. Suz*

              Exactly. Maybe one of the other dog-friendly employers has a better floor plan, ventilation, or systems in place to allow working from home more often.

          3. UKAnon*

            It sounds like there’s an opportunity to start a company in the field and specifically ban dogs… there have to be a lot of other workers out there in the same field who would love to be in a dog free office!

            In answer to Alison’s question; I absolutely think that an employee’s health should be put before a perk which is frankly both unusual and unnecessary (I have never come across dog-offices and couldn’t imagine it… is it an American thing or am I just sheltered?) I think that already reasonable accommodations (sounds like much the same test in the US and UK, so I’ll operate on that assumption) are too generous to the employer, considering the medical model of disabilities recognises the problems as society’s (and therefore the employer’s) barriers, not the health of the employee.

            In an ideal world, co-workers would be understanding of this and would realise that the OP being able to go to work without risking serious long-term consequences is more important than having their pet with them all day… but if they’re already iffy over OP trying to accommodate *their* desires by working from home then frankly they don’t sound reasonable enough to be able to take that attitude. Which is horrid for the OP. But I absolutely think that the OP should keep pushing for a reasonable accommodation, and I think that management should back them up on that and help to smooth the way with co-workers.

            1. Formica Dinette*

              It’s common in the US tech industry and is generally considered a perk. For example, Seattle–where I live–is a tech hub and the number of people here who have dogs is much higher than the number of people who have children.

              1. S*

                Definitely a tech industry perk. I’m not a dog owner, but I always appreciated dog-friendly offices when I was in the industry and I find myself missing it now that I’m out. If I were to get a dog, then I would definitely look at a dog-friendly office as a huge perk.

          4. Not the Droid You are Looking For*

            I wonder if it’s not just industry, but a bit area specific? I live in a city that is *extremely* dog/pet friendly.

            Not that the OP would want to move cities to stay in her industry :/

      2. Victoria Nonprofit (USA)*

        I think that what I would do in this situation is decide to leave as soon as possible and ask for a no-dog accommodation in the meantime. If I trusted my employer, I would be upfront with them: “Hey, this isn’t going to work and I don’t want to disrupt this important part of your business culture, so I’m going to start looking for another gig. In the meantime, can you support me by keeping the dogs at home as long as I’m on the team?”

        It just seems that no good can come by staying. It’s obviously bad for her health, and I can’t imagine that it would be comfortable to stay if she caused the dogs to be sent home.

        Sucks. :(

        2. HeyNonnyNonny*

          Yes, I think this would be the best option. In a perfect world, they’d understand. And if they didn’t want to (even temporarily) keep the dogs home, they could let her go earlier with some sort of severance, or let her work from home temporarily.

          1. Zahra*

            But if they do let her go because they don’t want to keep the dogs home, they run afoul of the ADA.

            1. Shannon*

              So they let her go because she was a minuet late one morning or her skirt was half an inch too short.

                1. Jeanne*

                  I would probably still get a lawyer now. The lawyer will help with documentation and probably could write some helpful official letters. This sounds like it will not end well.

            2. HeyNonnyNonny*

              Right, hopefully they wouldn’t fire her, but Victoria’s language makes it clear that she’s looking to leave. Offering generous severance for while she looks would be a very nice way to do it that wouldn’t anger the other employees.

              1. Treena*

                I would be super upfront, and explain that how you have the right to force them to accommodate you/remove the dogs, but you don’t want to pursue that path. Instead, you’d prefer to either have severance or work from home/have the dogs removed while you’re still looking.

        3. Florida*

          I would start looking but I wouldn’t notify the employer if that. I would push the employer for a no dog policy but I would not tell the employer im doing it because if the dogs. I would approach the employer with the attitude that it’s not my place to find a new job-It’s the employer’s responsibility to make a reasonable accommodation. But I would probably still look for another job.

      3. The IT Manager*

        I would tend toward not enforcing a no dog office because I think that she will become the bad guy and it will make for a very bad work environment.

        I don’t have pets, but I suspect the people that bring their dogs to work every day and may have been lured to this company with the promise of a dog friendly work-environment will hold a enough of a grudge to make work life difficult if the loss of that perk is caused by one person. Some people love their dogs a lot and at least some of the people that bring their dogs to work everyday probably fall into this category.

        Also shame, shame, shame on the employer for not making this super obvious before hiring.

        1. Spooky*

          Agreed! I can’t fathom why they wouldn’t mention it at some point during the hiring process.

        2. UKAnon*

          Isn’t it management’s job to manage that sort of situation though? If they were ganging up the OP because she was female or BME or any other protected characteristic, wouldn’t we all be expecting management to say “cut it out” and then discipline anyone who doesn’t?

          1. The IT Manager*

            Yes, but there’s a difference between being actively sabotaged, being excluded, and simply being unpopular.. And management doesn’t have the power to stop employees from being mad, angry, upset that they can’t bring their dog into work anymore.

            1. Labyrinth*

              I disagree – this isn’t about what they feel, but about what they do. If this was a company that had hired their first woman and the male employees were resenting her for “making” the company build a women’s locker room and remove topless photos, we’d all agree that management should make absolutely sure that no one blames the woman. Sure, many people love dogs, some men love the “relaxing” atmosphere without women, but if it needs to change, it needs to change. It would be hostile to exclude and resent the woman in that scenario, and it’s hostile to exclude and resent the allergic OP. If OP had needed a wheelchair ramp to be built, it would be crazy to allow their workmates to be mad because the renovation is annoying.

          2. sstabeler*

            except the most likely issue is other employees resenting the loss of what is apparently a standard park for the industry in that area- and the employees may well notice it was because the OP has allergies. If so, you can’t exactly regulate other employee’s feelings.

            In short, going to the level of getting rid of the dogs- especially since it likely wouldn’t actually help due to the dander already being around- actrualyl sounds to be like an nreasonabel accomodation, since the company would more-or-less have to take something away from ALL other employees to accomodate the allergy.

        3. Betsy*

          I really feel for the OP, so I’m just writing this to clarify: the issue with having a pet, especially if you don’t have any children, is that they’re often alone all day if you work full-time. So working for a dog-friendly place ends up being a huge perk, and could even factor in the decision to get a pet.

          Sorry, OP. This really sucks.

      4. CrazyCatLady*

        I think if she’s able to find another job in a reasonable amount of time without it seriously impacting her health (though it already seems like it is!), I’d have the conversation you suggested with her manager. I probably wouldn’t pursue it extensively though – not to the point of having other people lose the perk of bringing their dogs in. I would leave the job at that point.

        Would she be eligible for unemployment if she had to quit for something like that?

          1. CrazyCatLady*

            I looked it up a little bit, and while I don’t know where this person lives, it seems like it may actually be an option. It was a legal website where I read it, and the example they used was if an employee is allergic to a particular chemical that doesn’t bother other employees. But IANAL, so this may be wrong.

        2. HRInCali*

          In California, she most likely would be eligible for UI for something like that, especially if she informed the EDD (department responsible for unemployment insurance in California) about not being informed during the interview process that there would be dogs in the office. But I can’t say if Washington or any other state makes equivalent provision for constructive dismissal or not.

          1. CrazyCatLady*

            If that’s an option for OP, that’s probably what I would do. It would at least provide some income while you look for other jobs, without compromising your health. And you’d have a perfectly good reason for why you left the company.

      5. Michelle*

        Considering that every office in her field is “dog-friendly”, she is going to have to decide if she really wants to work in that field and be the coworker that everyone hates because they can’t bring their dog to work anymore or does she want to switch fields/jobs.

        Personally, I don’t like the idea of dogs in the workplace because I think it would be a distraction (I know others don’t feel that way so no need to scold me). I’m assuming this is a field that doesn’t require direct customer interaction ( or no customer interaction) because surely someone allergic to dogs would have been in before now and they would have had to deal with this before.

        1. Ask a Manager* Post author

          Considering that every office in her field is “dog-friendly”, she is going to have to decide if she really wants to work in that field and be the coworker that everyone hates because they can’t bring their dog to work anymore or does she want to switch fields/jobs.

          Here’s another piece of this that I think is really tough. Philosophically, I agree with you. But I’m also not comfortable saying “if you have disability X and working in your field will require that most offices give you accommodation Y in order to work there, which will probably frustrate your coworkers, you should rethink whether you want to be in that field or not.”

          It sucks all around.

          1. Christy*

            I am very strongly on the side that we should not be comfortable saying that. ADA accommodations frustrate people all the time–how much easier it would be for developers to build inaccessible buildings, for instance. Developing 508 compliant websites can be really frustrating–I do this for work. But you know what’s even more frustrating? Not being able to use a website because you’re blind, or not being able to work in an entire field because you have allergies.

            1. GOG11*

              “But you know what’s even more frustrating? Not being able to use a website because you’re blind, or not being able to work in an entire field because you have allergies.”

              +1 million

            3. Mike C.*

              Compliance is the very least we as a society can do to help others function as free, happy and independent members of society.

              1. Elizabeth West*

                Well said.

                I’m fine with leaving a pet at home or in daycare if it means my coworker doesn’t turn blue and die on me! My pet will be fine. My coworker might not be.

                It’s a dog, not a person. Don’t get me wrong I love dogs, but they are not people.

                1. Jeanne*

                  Above on this thread, someone claimed they are people, just not homo sapien people. I think they are animals.

            4. Me*

              It would be so cool if for once people acted as though the rights of their fellow humans were more important than the (imaginary) loneliness of their dog being left home all day.

              “I feel for you, BUT” is a horrible thing to hear when it’s literally possible for you to die because someone can’t be separated from their dog for a few hours.

              I used to sneeze and feel like I had the flu; now I just get asthma. Some day the inhaler will probably not work well enough.

              Also–cleaning biweekly is IN NO WAY adequate. They should clean daily. That would probalby help a lot.

              1. Loose Seal*

                But their dog doesn’t have to be home all day. My dog goes to a doggy day care if we both are out of the house more than three hours (I don’t like to crate him all day). The dogs there are socialized with other dogs and there are lots of workers who love dogs there. The dogs get a large, private kennel and outside play times. I pay $8.00 per day for this service.

                Surely, if I have a couple of doggy day care options in my very rural, low population area, larger cities would have them too. Maybe the perk the office offers is a deal with a certain doggy day care for reduced prices and perhaps extended pick-up and drop-off times that work for their industry.

                2. Loose Seal*

                  I suspect our relative costs-of-living are different by about the same percentage, though, unless you are also in a rural, low population area. :)

                3. Elizabeth West*

                  A discount on doggy daycare would be a very cool perk. That would take care of almost everybody. Because seriously, if the other employees were in an office that was NOT dog-friendly, they would have to do this anyway.

                4. BeenThere*

                  Loose Seal I love you for being kind to your dog!

                  One of the things I find hard to understand is why someone would leave their dogs in a crate all day while they were at work. (I’m not from the US). Before moving countries we had pet ferrets. We decide on them because they sleep most of the day and is possible to have them caged during the day in set up that still allows them room to play. They will happily sleep while you aren’t home so they are ready to play when you get back.

              2. The Other Alice*

                Exactly. Nobody is forcing you to bring your dog to work or to have a dog!* Obviously having to give up your beloved pup due to doggy day care costs would suck, but it is an option. And frankly, one’s right to have a cute pup does not even come close to trumping the rights of those with allergies to not suffer breathing problems.

                People with disabilities get told to suck it up or change jobs or magically fix this stuff ALL THE TIME. It shouldn’t be thought of as a solution.

                *The exception here is assistance dogs, who absolutely should be thought of as essential, because they are. But that’s presumably not the case for all the dogs here.

                2. VintageLydia USA*

                  And kids generally are not welcome in the workplace except in certain, usually pretty rare circumstances.

                3. Sospeso*

                  “Exactly. Nobody is forcing you to bring your dog to work or to have a dog!* Obviously having to give up your beloved pup due to doggy day care costs would suck, but it is an option.”

                  I disagree with this on a number of levels. Sure, nobody forced me to get my dog. You could say the same thing about kids, as poordecisions101 said. We all make decisions about how well our current lifestyle meshes with a company’s culture when we’re looking for new jobs. I wouldn’t judge a parent for deciding a company’s 80-hour workweek might not be a good fit for his or her family life, the same way I would understand that a parent might factor in the savings associates with a company-sponsored daycare program when making their job decision.

                  Some of those employees likely evaluated that dog-friendly work environment in the same way. Like it or not, essentially having the costs of doggie daycare covered ($30-40 per day in my neck of the woods) by being able to bring a pup to work represents a significant financial perk. If I factored that perk into my decision about taking a job, and that perk was taken away, I think it’d be reasonable to be upset.

                  This isn’t really about the life choices people make (whether it’s about balancing kids or pets with the workplace), and to suggest that unnecessarily adversarial, I think. It’s really about how the company failed to anticipate this issue and structure this dog-friendly perk accordingly. A tough situation all around.

                  And… I’ve been trying to formulate a response to your casual suggestion that employees *give up* their pet, and I can’t while keeping my cool. What a callous suggestion. No… just no.

                4. UK HR bod*

                  Yes, you can say the same thing about kids, but as VintageLydia points out, people aren’t usually allowed to bring them into work. And I’m sure childcare is as costly as dog-care.

            5. Jen S. 2.0*

              This. However frustrating it is to accommodate the person with the issue, it’s way worse to BE the person with the issue. Plenty of people leave their dogs at home with no repercussions at all. Leaving Rover at home is not going to kill Rover’s owner, but it may kill an allergy sufferer.

          2. LBK*

            It seems insane to completely block someone out of an industry based on a common perk that is not in any way related to the work being done – especially because I can’t think of any other perks offhand that would physically prevent someone from working at a company.

            I think if the OP does stay in the industry she’d be better off being upfront in interviews (I’m sure she’s learned that lesson now) and as much as you tend to discourage bringing up medical accommodations until the offer stage, I’d try to feel out how willing they would be to change the policy if they are dog-friendly earlier on. Like I mentioned below, if there’s only a couple people who use the perk I think you would probably get more traction and have less backlash than somewhere that’s full of dogs every day.

            1. JB (not in Houston)*

              I agree, especially since there is no way that the OP is the only person in the field who doesn’t want to or can’t be around dogs all day.

            2. Ask a Manager* Post author

              I can’t think of any other perks offhand that would physically prevent someone from working at a company.

              I gave this a try, and interestingly, the ones I can think of are all respiratory-related, like Peanut Tuesdays (peanut allergy) or anything with fragrance (fragrance sensitivities).

              1. UKAnon*

                I once had a man on a plane grumble at me (who he’d only met on the flight out and been speaking to for all of 5 minutes on that flight) that *he* wasn’t allowed to eat *his* snickers because somebody on the plane had a peanut allergy…

                One of the times when the mind has genuinely boggled, but apparently people can’t see that not killing somebody comes top of the list. So I hold out little hope of peanut allergies being accommodated without bad feelings either, unfortunately.

                1. AMT*

                  I am convinced that some people think all allergies are fake. Seriously, there are parents who stage protests over schools banning peanuts due to a severely allergic child. Because their child’s sandwich is obviously more important than another child’s airway.

                2. PlainJane*

                  My son has a life-threatening peanut allergy, and you would be amazed at what we had to deal with when he was little. My favorite was the preschool teacher who decided that the entire class would make peanut butter cookies–except my son, who was put at a table by himself. Yeah, because a) isolating a child with a disability is totally OK, and b) preschoolers will of course keep the peanut butter at their own tables. The teacher never really understood why I was upset either. No, it doesn’t make him sneeze. It makes him stop breathing. It’s exhausting and discouraging to have to educate people constantly and to see so little concern for the life or health of others.

                3. blackcat*

                  AMT, yes, some people think that allergies are fake. I opt for graphic descriptions of how I felt when I went into anaphylactic shock. It generally doesn’t help convince them, but reasonable bystanders then think the allergy denier is an asshole.

                5. K.*

                  Yeah, when I come across people that complain about “fake” allergies, I tell them how I ended up in the ER in full anaphylactic shock because I ate a cookie that I didn’t know had nuts in it, and how my mother broke out in hives and also had to go to the hospital when she ordered chili that turned out to have peanut butter in it (which was not mentioned anywhere on the menu). That usually shuts them up.

                6. PK*

                  I’m allergic to nuts, get very sick, but not life-threatening. The smell of them makes me very nauseous. A new co-worker (we shared a cubicle) started eating a bag of nuts, and I said to her, “I’m so sorry but I’m allergic and the smell makes me very nauseous, could you please eat them in the kitchen?”

                  She said “No, I’m trying to eat less meat so I have to eat these here.”

                  I couldn’t believe it. In all my years of asking people not to eat nuts around me, I’d never had someone tell me they wouldn’t help me out. I hated going to my manager about it, but I had to ask to be switched because we couldn’t come to a compromise.

              2. Formerly The Office Admin, Now Full Time Job Huntress*

                As a crazy allergy story:
                When I was in college working at a grocery store, a bottle of strawberry shampoo had exploded in transport, the night stockers cleaned off the non-exploded bottles the best they could and stocked the shelves with them.
                At some point over the next day or two, a woman with a severe strawberry allergy walked by and went into anaphylactic shock. Like, throat closing allergy reaction, call 911, sent her to the hospital.
                FROM BREATHING IN STRAWBERRY SMELL. WHILE GROCERY SHOPPING.
                I take allergies seriously now. You say you have peanut allergies? I’m off to brush my teeth and I apologize for having peanut butter on my toast this morning.

                1. Lillie Lane*

                  Oh, no. Poor woman. This is the reason I’m so surprised that some airlines even serve peanuts anymore!

                2. sam*

                  my brother is deathly allergic to bee stings, but it also manifests in other, weirder ways.

                  – the night before his college graduation, his girlfriend got a bottle of perfume as a gift. she put some on. It apparently was made with some ingredient that was derived from bee pollen. one anaphylactic shock attack/epi pen/visit to the hospital later, he still made it to graduation the next day.

                  – when he was traveling in Ethiopia, he went out one night and had some wine. Traditional Ethiopian honey wine. That hadn’t been distilled enough. He left his epi pen back at his hotel/hostel. He basically crawled back while going into anaphylactic shock, making it to his room and stabbing himself in the leg with his epi pen only seconds before he completely blacked out. He woke up the next morning kind of surprised he wasn’t dead.

                  (This is the same brother who does education work with conflict refugees in the middle east, previously lived in Kabul for a year, and has contracted, among other things, typhoid and intestinal parasites from consistently eating local delicacies wherever he goes. My parents worry about his getting kidnapped by ISIS. I worry that he’s going to eat a bad falafel).

                3. Rebecca*

                  I’m shocked that there are any real strawberries in strawberry shampoo. How scary!

                4. Three Thousand*

                  I would guess it’s a chemical additive synthesized or derived from strawberries that creates the smell.

                2. Molly*

                  Re: horse-friendly offices – I know of one defense contractor with a Denver office that lets staff members pasture their horses in the fields around the office – seriously! Kind of awesome. (Assuming the horses stay outside and there are no allergies amongst the landscaping staff.)

                3. Jessa*

                  Worse than that. I’m not only allergic to horses but horse serum. I have to be very careful that I do not go places where there are lots of snakes. Anti venoms are still made in horses. Yep, die from the snake bite, or possibly die from the cure for the snake bite. Fun fun times. Mostly though they know they have to have a crash cart and epi around if I ever get bitten, to revive me from the cure.

                  And medical personnel do not know this, I put on the allergy forms horse serum and they do not understand what I’m talking about. So certain forms of hormone replacement therapy are also a no go for me.

              4. cv*

                I can’t think of other perks related to physical disability, but interestingly enough all of the other semi-parallel situations of one person’s needs versus the group’s preferences are heavily slanted towards the company needing to change. When the company culture says that meetings at strip clubs are a fun perk, the discomfort of the woman who joins the team should outweigh the preferences of the men. When a lot of outdoorsy employees want to do adventure sports as required team building but someone with a physical disability or fear of heights or whatever joins the team, they should choose a different activity. The more I think about these sorts of parallels, the more I am forced to believe that revoking the dog-friendly policy is the right call here, if no other measures work.

                1. Ask a Manager* Post author

                  YES. That’s exactly what I keep thinking about when people are saying the best solution is for the OP to leave because everyone will resent her otherwise. It doesn’t seem right.

                2. PontoonPirate*

                  I agree. It would be a tough transition for the dog owners, but perhaps the company can ease their pain a bit by offering a period of flex time where they can run home to feed/walk them or provide a one-time gift card for doggy day-care? I imagine for some it may be a financial perk as well, but ultimately the dogs don’t trump an employee who has a need to earn a paycheck not covered in Fido’s dander.

                  Although, this brings to mind … if the allergy is that severe, is there going to be trouble with people just wearing clothes covered in dog fur?

                3. Slimy Contractor*

                  You’ve explained it really well here. I feel terrible for the OP being put in this position to be the “bad guy” to her colleagues, but when you explain it this way, it really is the right thing to do.

                5. LBK*

                  This is really insightful. I think it’s a less obvious comparison because there tend to be fewer people who would object to dogs being around (or willing to say it publicly because WHO DOESN’T LIKE DOGS!?!?!? oh yeah me, I don’t) but there’s likely to be more people who aren’t down for strip clubs or adventure sports who’d be willing to voice their disagreement.

                6. Not Yet Seeking*

                  I am in complete agreement with cv, this is precisely what I was thinking about when reading the comments.

                7. Ad Astra*

                  This is a great way to put it. I wouldn’t blame the employees for being a little miffed at the situation, but a reasonable adult should be able to understand why their fun perk is less important than someone else’s ability to breathe.

                9. Sospeso*

                  These are insightful parallels to make, and I agree with where you ultimately land. It’s her right under the ADA to have reasonable accommodations made. Period. I’d like to see the company and the OP discuss a couple of other potential accommodations as well before the company changes its dog policy, though. It sounds like it’s been a pretty interactive process so far, so I’d love to see that continue.

                  If that doesn’t work, I take that stance that the company may need to bite the bullet and help employees transition to a non-dog-friendly work environment. Maybe that’d look like more flexible schedules for a bit (or indefinitely) so owners can check on their dogs halfway through the day. Maybe it’d be partially covering the cost of a doggie daycare. I’m not sure. But (as I mentioned up-thread) I know I would have factored the savings of doggie daycare costs into my decision to take a job with this company, and I’d be losing a financially significant benefit if I had to put my pup in doggie daycare instead of bringing him to work with me.

                  This is one I’ll want to hear an update on.

              5. pomme de terre*

                If a company moved to a new office space that was on a higher floor, people with vertigo or acrophobia could be bothered by it. My dad is really afraid of heights, and I can imagine him being unable to handle an office in a skyscraper, no matter how nice the office was.

                I work for a tech company that does all kinds of trendy “quality of life” things and we recently installed a kegerator in the office. I wonder if someone who was an alcoholic would be able to ask us to get rid of it. It would be an awkward ask for the employee and I can see some people objecting.)

                I guess someone with a really strong sensitivity to smells could object to food in the office, if that was a regular perk.

                A really grim but interesting one: What if there was a sex offender on staff that prevented the establishment of an on-site daycare? If the offender is being a good employee, is it on him to find a new job or on the company to accommodate his legal obligation to keep a certain physical distance from kids?

                1. Molly*

                  Being a sex-offender isn’t exactly a protected class. Interesting one, though. What about a company with a parent-friendly company – would they be obliged to fire the sex-offender?

                2. I'm Anon For This*

                  Not all states have restrictions on proximity to a daycare, FYI. Also, not all offenders have restrictions on if they are allowed to be around kids. Mainly because not all offenders have crimes related to children.

                3. Jessa*

                  In this case though it’s different. Someone who has been convicted of a crime is not in a protected class regarding that crime. Either they bar the person from the floor with the daycare, or get some kind of waiver about it, but you don’t ignore it. The rights of that one person actually do not in any way override the law that says they cannot do x without permission from a court or some similarly situated entity. This would be true even if they build the daycare after they hired the offender in question. My reading of it is they are not required to accommodate at all in this case, but they’d have to be very careful security wise because if someone got hurt it’d be on the employer.

                  And if there’s no way for the person to be outside the limits set by the court (you can’t be more than 100 feet away, for instance, if the daycare is less than 100 feet from anyplace in the office,) then you need that person to go to the court and get themselves legal authorisation to be there. If you want to be really nice about it, you let them take off with pay for x time and see if they can convince a court that they’d be safe staying at their job in this case. But in general none of the protected class statutes protect the offender in this case.

                  Heck in one case a person who worked at a bank had to be let go because they had a juvenile conviction of theft that had not been expunged and this person had worked for the bank for like 20 years. The bank had not gone to the trouble of getting the required waiver. They ended up doing it post facto and they paid the guy to be off while they did it. But the laws had changed on them and the background check had found this and under the new law in order for someone with such a background to work in a bank they needed some kind of federal waiver.

                4. Elizabeth West*

                  What I’m Anon For This said–sex offender doesn’t always mean pedophile. It could mean someone who assaulted an adult. Or was convicted of statutory rape, like a guy I worked with at the Worst Job on Earth. He was 19, his girlfriend was 16 at the time of the offense. (I got told all about it whether I wanted to know or not!) Plus, states’ requirements for proximity and reporting vary.

                5. Ad Astra*

                  Sex offenders are pretty much on their own as far as finding jobs and homes that comply with their restrictions, which can sometimes be quite challenging (schools, daycares, and churches are just about everywhere). But it’s not a very sympathetic group, so they either figure it out on their own or they violate the law and risk going back to jail.

                  As for the other issues, I find that many people with issues like anxiety or addiction self-select out of workplaces that are incompatible with their triggers/phobias, even though the philosophy behind ADA says they shouldn’t have to. In some situations, I feel like it’s a shame the person isn’t standing up for themselves. In others, it’s easy to see why that person didn’t feel it was worth the hassle.

              6. Labyrinth*

                What about getting to work in a really old, beautiful, historical but inaccessible building? Many people love old pretty houses.

                I used to go to a school with several old stone buildings on campus. I needed a (completely different, non-mobility related) accommodation that they refused to provide, and when I emailed the county to ask them to intervene, the disability access person emailed back (without even knowing what my problem was!) that it would be impossible to accommodate me because the building is old and that means it’s just hard for wheelchairs to get around (again, they didn’t know what my problem was, I was just saying “hey this county-owned school won’t accommodate my disability and the county website says I should email you”). That’s when I really discovered that this attitude isn’t uncommon at all, I had always thought of wheelchair access as the one accommodation even idiots realise is necessary. Especially in schools.

                Rant: I love history and would never want to ruin an old building, but some able-bodied people are seriously dismissive of disabled people’s need to ever be in buildings built before like 1950. Which, in my country, is quite a lot of them. “But it’s so beautiful! Why would anyone want to ruin this? Can’t they just go somewhere else?” Well, sometimes there aren’t so many “elses” to go…

                1. Me*

                  London has lots of nifty wheelchair-access lifts and things in their old churches and stuff. They don’t interfere or ruin anything. St Paul’s, Westminster, even if it’s just 3 steps they have a little personal lift.

                  So, it can be done!

                2. UK HR bod*

                  I used to work for a major UK heritage organisation. ‘Me’ points out that there are options in a lot of places, but there are limits on what can be done in some instances – partly because planning laws sometimes won’t allow (e.g.) lifts to be installed, and sometimes because the fabric of the buildings simply won’t support the alterations that are required. It’s not about ruining a building, it’s about the actual ability, legally or physically, to make changes. However – there is a huge amount that is done. Almost all these buildings have ground floor access – clearly from an employment perspective, we would work with people to make sure they could work in an appropriate location. It was actually more of an issue for visitor access (5000 staff vs visitors in the millions – statistically, more visitors had access needs than staff). Most times, you can’t help someone in a wheelchair get up a castle tower (or the winding staircase of an old house) – but you can make sure that there is a ground floor access route, and online ‘tours’ of the upstairs. You can’t let someone with visual disabilities touch the main curtains, as they’re 200 years old and only holding together with hope and crossed fingers – but you can have samples of similar material so that they can feel what the curtains looks like. You can have a sensory garden, so that everyone can enjoy the beauty. It doesn’t speak to your point about schools, but trust me, the visitor industry around old beautiful buildings (in the UK at least) is serious about everyone being able to access them.

                3. Joline*

                  I was staying in Venice a few days and talking to the building manager where we were staying and he was talking about how they aren’t allowed to have an elevator 1. due to not being able to make changes to the house (their rules around their protected heritage stuff) and 2. because of all the flooding they have in Venice they couldn’t make the electrical work even if they would be allowed under 1.

                  Not to say most heritage buildings shouldn’t have concessions – just something I thought was kind of interesting.

                4. UK HR bod*

                  Yes, it’s really location dependent. A Victorian / Edwardian pile (in UK currency) can probably take a lift – they were starting to have service lifts. Late medieval / Tudor (which I think is probably comparable to a lot of the Venetian buildings), it’s a lot harder, although for different reasons.

            3. hjc24*

              I totally agree with this. It sounds like there is a cultural expectation in this industry that you can bring your dog to work, but honestly this is a bubble that doesn’t reflect workplace norms and most people leave their pets at home, and both pets and owners are fine. It’s a perk – that’s all. I like the suggestion that the perk be switched to partnering with a local doggy daycare to offer a reduced rate for employees. It’s much more reasonable to expect that you might lose a few employees if you stop offering a perk than to cause your new employee to want to quit because that perk is causing a serious health issue. If every job available in the industry also offers a dog-friendly workplace then it sounds like they have plenty of options if they want to jump ship.

          3. AMT*

            Right. It’s dangerously close to saying something like, “If you have a facial deformity, you shouldn’t try to work in a customer-facing role because no one will hire you.” Or, “If you’re gay, you shouldn’t try to work in finance because it’s a macho, hetero environment and people will discriminate against you.” It’s one thing to be pragmatic about your limitations. It’s another thing to completely rule out potentially rewarding career fields out of fear of discrimination or because you don’t want to inconvenience anyone.

            2. Tau*

              This comment really hits home. I never got a retail job when I was younger, and a big part of the reason is that I have a noticeable speech disorder and I figured I wouldn’t be able to work in a customer service position and nobody would hire me for one anyway. I really regret that now, and hate that I thought I should put what was mildly more comfortable and convenient for other people over what was best for me.

              1. The Other Alice*

                I have a disorder that causes nausea and fatigue if I’m on my feet all day and I’m in the same sort of boat. I’d have loved to apply for a retail job this summer but I’m really worried about asking for accommodations (a chair and not being put on stock replacement all day) because I’ve had bad experiences. Disabled people really get dumped on at work.

            3. Elizabeth West*

              Yes yes yes.

              I have a learning disability that actually does limit the types of work I can do (no accounting, budgeting, statistics, or any arithmetic for me), but if I could accommodate it in a less math-intensive position, it would be a real bummer to feel like I had to turn down a job I want because someone else might think it’s weird or not understand it. There is a small bit of stuff here I have to do, but fortunately someone has an accommodation for that (a spreadsheet auto-calculation), and my boss is fine with checking over that bit.

          4. rory*

            Especially when this isn’t a thing like “my job is washing dogs”. Presumably this is a completely non-dog field, but all the offices have decided to allow dogs. This basically means they are colluding not to hire a certain class of people who have disabilities. This is pretty not okay. Each individual office is implementing an idea, but the overall effect means that the OP, and others with allergies, just can’t work in this field, and for reasons that have nothing to do with the job or the ability to the do the job.

          5. Michelle*

            My thought when writing that was if her coworkers have negative feelings because she gets to work from home 1 day week because she is allergic to their dogs, they would probably lose it if they couldn’t bring their dogs.

            I agree, it sucks. It seem she will get labeled the “perk denying dog hater or find another field. I really feel for her.

            1. Florida*

              She will be labeled as the perk-denying dog hater if HR presents it as “we can’t bring dogs anymore because of OP. THanks a lot OP.”
              If HR is more sensitive than that (which I assume they will be) people might take a very different attitude. HR has a lot of influence in how the rest of the company views this one.

              1. Jen S. 2.0*

                Ha, “we can’t bring dogs anymore because of OP. THanks a lot OP.” made me laugh really hard for some reason. I envisioned a pitchfork-wielding mob, all dressed in dog costumes.

                1. Florida*

                  If they came after her with pitchforks, I’d definitely say that OPshould start looking. That might be a case where it’s best to resign without a new job. Even if it was just the dog costumes, that might be a red flag that it’s a weird place. :)

          6. ThursdaysGeek*

            If every office in her field is dog-friendly, why did that not come up in the interview? If nothing else, she should have said how nice it was to find a company that didn’t have dogs (since they didn’t advertise that). If you KNOW that is highly likely, that is something to probe before accepting a job. And yes, ADA does require reasonable accommodations, but the OP appears to have been blind-sided by something she says is essentially universal in her field. Maybe she didn’t want to jinx a potential job offer, and rightly so, but I’m still surprised that she was surprised.

            1. Florida*

              As someone who has requested reasonable accommodations (I needed someone to drive me to occassional offsite meetings because I couldn’t drive due to seizures), I would never mention accommodations until after I had an offer.

          7. Renee*

            It sucks but, practically speaking, I don’t know that she has much choice. If all of her coworkers have dogs, won’t they carry allergens in on their clothes anyway? I wish the legal employers in my community didn’t tend to be toxic and abusive either, but sometimes you have to play the ball where it lies. Does she have a right to work in an industry where her needs conflict with the culture? Absolutely. Is it practical? Probably not. My last legal employer refused to accommodate my disability (that developed while I worked there) and retaliated. I could have fought it, but changed course because I realized that most employers in my community would have done the same. Now that I’ve successfully transitioned into something else, my life is immeasurably improved. It’s exhausting to have to defend your rights all the time and maybe others are down for that fight, but I wasn’t.

            1. Joline*

              Everything I own admittedly probably does have dog hair and dander on it. I was switching offices a few months ago and really noticed it when I cleaned off the back of my desk and realized there was a pile of fur on a lip behind the table because I’d sometimes throw my parka on it when I first got in to work (then take boots off, then hang up said parka).

        2. Red Rose*

          I am amazed that every job in her field is in a dog friendly office. Maybe she is just in a small town so there aren’t a lot of options? Maybe it is a start-up type of thing? I just haven’t seen that many dog friendly offices. My own office supposedly bans dogs but most of us know that one is occasionally snuck in–it is well behaved and stays in the owner’s office, so I don’t care even though I’m not that big on dogs (not allergic thankfully).

          My daughter is pursuing a career in zoo education (when you go to the zoo she is the person holding a snake or bird or whatever for you to touch or giving a talk about the snow leopards) so obviously that wouldn’t be a career for anyone with animal allergies. But this sounds like a career not related to animals in any way, so I don’t get why every job is like this.

          1. Creag an Tuire*

            I was assuming tech, since my wife works for a tech company with this perk — but she’s worked other places without dogs, and the current job made a big deal of how “Dog” Is An Official Job Title Because We’re Hip and Cool.

            Maybe it’s a regional culture thing? Valley and/or Pacific Northwest?

            1. Red Rose*

              So there must be rules about dog behavior? Cause I can see that having 10-15 dogs in one office could be problematic if everyone didn’t play nice.

              1. Creag an Tuire*

                Once, one of the dogs got into a fight and sent another dog to the vet. :( The aggressor dog has not been allowed back on the premises.

                I’ve never thought to ask how/if they handle the ADA issue, though I plan to tonight.

                1. Kelly O*

                  I hope you update us; I’m truly curious about how a company would handle this. I’ve never worked in an industry where animals (aside from service animals) were allowed, so I’ve no frame of reference.

              2. caryatid*

                i have worked in several offices with dogs and i really dislike it, although i am not allergic and don’t hate dogs.

                in my last gig, 2 of the dogs were poorly behaved and had accidents on the floors at least once a month (not just pee). they went through trash, chewed shoes, and ate people’s food.

                one of the dog owners would shut his dog out of his office while he was making (long) phone calls and the dog would whine and scratch and have accidents if not taken out. the implied assumption was that one of us (female) coworkers would walk the dog for him as needed. i really resented that even though i came to be fond of the dog.

                2. Ezri*

                  0_o Apparently that guy interpreted ‘dog friendly’ as ‘free petsitting’. I don’t see why you’d own a dog, let alone bring it to the office, if you aren’t willing to take care of it.

                  This is one good thing about cats – I appreciate not having to take them outside. I do not appreciate the dead lizards and bugs they hide in the litter box, though…

                3. katamia*

                  I love dogs, but turned down a job in a dog-friendly office once because one of the dogs sounded unfriendly (interviewer said it had growled at him before) and because the place smelled awful (interviewer also said one of the dogs had accidents sometimes). I have a dog. I get enough of that at home. :P I totally get why it’s a major perk and being close to my dog is one of the things I loved about working from home, but yuck.

                4. Jen S. 2.0*

                  Frankly, THAT is kind of how I imagine dog-friendly offices. It seriously cannot be all fun and snuggles.

                5. Chani*

                  I liked the idea of a dog-friendly office until you reminded me of these things. I grew up in an environment like that. I wasn’t allowed to close my bedroom door at night in case one of the rescues had a panic attack – which meant I’d have to get up in the middle of the night and try to drag said dog away from clawing at my computer case instead. :( I really like dogs, but there is no way I’d ever live with them again. Too many triggers.

      6. NickelandDime*

        I’m not sure what she would gain would be worth it though, if she pushed for her rights in this case. Normally, I’m totally Team Fight The Power, but in this case, she may alienate and anger her employer and/or alienate and anger her coworkers. That sets her up for a poor working environment, possibly being negatively affected when it comes to performance reviews and good projects and if there are ever layoffs…Sneezy Dwarf will be first on the list.

        1. Kyrielle*

          Allergies as severe as she describes can kill you, and her doctor has said that continued exposure could make them worse. Having had allergies, I read the subtext as “to the point that medication doesn’t remove the life-endangering symptoms” as a possibility. Even if they don’t kill you, they can also make you horribly miserable. If she needs the paycheck until she can find another job, I would _absolutely_ do it. Alienating your coworkers is better than risking your health or even your life.

          I love peanuts and they make a handy protein snack. But if we suddenly had a peanut allergic coworker, my peanuts would go home, stay home, and my office would get vacuumed and scrubbed. Because my right to something that gives me pleasure doesn’t trump someone else’s health.

          Now, yes. Peanuts don’t need me to take care of them, and peanuts aren’t cute and friendly and they can’t sit up and beg. (I never want to see a peanut do that, probably that’ll be tonight’s nightmare now….) But the fact remains, something that gives me pleasure doesn’t trump someone else’s health.

          I do agree that OP’s best bet is to find another job, in the field, where dogs aren’t present or accomodations are more easily managed. But in the meanwhile, health beats convenience/pleasure.

          1. Solid B student*

            I am writing this as a request for information. Don’t flame. I truly don’t understand.
            If you have a peanut allergy, why would it be life threatening for you if someone else ate a snickers bar or had a peanut butter sandwich if you do not come in contact with the peanuts?

            2. Kyrielle*

              For some people with peanut allergies, yes. They react to any trace of the protein – when I crunch my peanuts, a few of those can get into the air. More than that, I picked the peanuts up, so there’s a bit of the protein on my hands. (And my mouth, but that’s only a concern for my kids and husband.) If I touch a doorknob, elevator door, my desk, a pen, a keyboard in the computer lab – I could leave traces of the oil there. And with a severe enough allergy, the allergic person touching those things could be enough to start a reaction.

              1. Solid B student*

                Kyrielle,

                Good to know. I never considered the “traces of oil on a doorknob” etc, thing.
                Thanks!

                1. Dynamic Beige*

                  I worked with someone who was so allergic to all types of shellfish that she could have a reaction if she smelled it on your breath from 3′ away.

              2. Ezri*

                I wish more people would realize this. I really think some people who get outraged over having to accomodate allergies or claim they aren’t real are really just unaware of how serious it can be and how little is required to set them off. There’s a reason menus at restaurants put a warning saying that some foods are made with peanuts, etc – there is a real risk of cross-contamination.

                In OP’s case, moving her away from the dogs isn’t going to resolve the issue. If she was able to move into another closed off section of the building that was dog free, that might help. But dog hair gets everywhere, and it would be on any coworkers who came over from the other area. Closed doors are merely a gesture when it comes to stopping pet dander.

              3. Nina*

                I had a coworker whose daughter had a severe nut allergy. They went to some store that was working with peanuts or something and there was a lot of peanut dust in the air. Her daughter had a severe allergic reaction right then and there, despite not having eaten any nuts. So yeah, I definitely believe you on that. It gets really serious, really quickly.

            3. Apollo Warbucks*

              It’s the risk of cross contamination and if the consequence of failure is death it’s not reasonable to ask someone to take that risk

            4. Adam V*

              Peanut allergies are serious business. My wife’s boss had a daughter with a peanut allergy so severe that she had to give up eating Chick-Fil-A at work (even with brushing teeth afterwards) because when she came home, her daughter could get a whiff of the peanut oil they fried everything in and her throat would close up.

            5. Anonyby*

              Because little bits of peanut particles get released in the air–that’s how you can smell it. Some people are so sensitive that they can react even if the concentration of the peanut molecules are way too low for us to detect with our noses or any other sensory organ.

            6. cv*

              Not peanuts, but I had a friend in high school with a really severe dairy allergy. Another person ate a slice of pizza and then touched her arm, and she developed a red/hive handprint on her skin in reaction due to the proteins/residue/whatever from the cheese. Other allergies can be triggered by airborne particles of the allergen, but trace amounts of things really can matter.

            8. TL -*

              It’s generally not. There is a very small subset of people who are extremely sensitive to peanut allergens who might need a peanut free work area. But they are an extreme minority of the peanut allergic population.

              1. Elizabeth West*

                Off-topic, but I’m really curious from a science standpoint as to how these allergies develop. I honestly can’t remember anyone having peanut allergies like this (or dogs, etc., or anything but bees, really) when I was in school. At least, not to the point of having to ban the substance from the building. It seems like there are so many more severe ones lately. It can’t all be the sterilized-kid thing. There has to be another reason this is happening. If I were a scientist, I’d be studying the heck out of it.

                1. TL -*

                  It’s actually a big area of study right now!
                  Part of it is increased awareness and somewhat over reacting – most peanut allergies are not life threatening and most of the life threatening ones are reasonably manageable; however the small subset of bad ones are really bad- but a large part of it is an overall population increase in auto immune disorders and allergies in first world. The most popular hypothesis is this is being caused by an over clean environment- children’s immune systems aren’t properly challenged growing up and therefore don’t develope correctly.
                  Supporting this, children in rural areas on farms have much lower rates of allergies and asthma. But there could be many more explanations as yet unknown.

                2. misspiggy*

                  There’s also the idea that fewer of us are dying in the early years, so more people with complex conditions survive, where in the past they might have been wiped out earlier by something else. Or the view that as diagnosis gets more precise, we now know that someone is dying/severely ill from a particular allergy, whereas a few decades ago it would have been classified as asthma.

                3. Dynamic Beige*

                  I read somewhere that you’re not supposed to feed babies nuts until they’re a certain age. Nuts naturally have toxins in them and young babies don’t have the immune system to handle them. (Not being a parent myself, I do not know if this is 100% true) But, with the increase in packaged foods, there is so much that happens where nuts or nut products are used — or were made in the plant last week. Those candy bars that say “created in a nut-free facility”, I guess they used to make all kinds of candy bars in the same facilities and there was cross contamination. So I’m not saying that every baby that is exposed to a nut product will develop an allergy, maybe it’s partly a quantity thing or they already had the predisposition to be sensitive and a few products with nuts in them created a larger problem.

                  But yeah, I cannot remember one kid in school that ever had an allergy like that in the 70’s or 80’s.

                4. TL -*

                  @Dynamic Beige – actually, they’re now thinking that lack of exposure to peanuts increases risk of allergies (places like Israel where peanut consumption is high and common havemuch lower peanut allergies than places like the USA.) There’s some evidence that lack of exposure while young can increase chances of having an allergy, and I think the most convincing evidence shows there’s no benefit to delaying exposure.
                  There’s also a genetic component to allergies – they do tend to run in families. And most kids outgrow their allergies; peanuts/nuts tend to have this happen 25-50% of the time but it’s much higher for most other allergies.
                  @Elizabeth: There’s probably a lot more going on than the clean hypothesis, but I think more and more evidence is showing it plays a large part in allergies. Your immune system is predicated on being challenged a lot when developing (eating dirt, getting sick, running into all kinds of nasties).

                5. Cassie*

                  There’s also possibly something about how the peanuts are cooked that make a difference – I read somewhere that peanut allergies are higher in the US where the peanuts are dry-roasted, compared to other places (like in Asia) where the peanuts aren’t dry-roasted.

                6. Dynamic Beige*

                  @TL — that is interesting! But, I can sort of see how that could happen. We have Purell in supermarkets so you can clean your hands before touching a dirty shopping cart (the horror!). Everything is hypoallergenic/antibacterial this that or the other. I guess if you’re kept from as much dirt/contaminants as possible, you never have the chance to acclimatise to them. Funny though with all the day care centres and being exposed to more children at an early age you would think that would take care of it. There wasn’t day care or pre-school when I was a kid but then again there weren’t Clorox wipes, either.

                7. UK HR bod*

                  There’s been some press here recently about how pregnant women should actually be eating peanuts, as it lowers the risk of peanut allergies in later life – advice has been latterly to avoid, which may have actually increased the incidence of allergy.

            9. Florida*

              For some people, it doesn’t. Peanut allergies (like most medical conditions) come in all ranges of severity. Some people could touch peanuts, breath them, and smell them and they are fine until they eat them. Other people can’t even think about peanuts (well, maybe thinking about them is ok).

        2. Katie the Fed*

          What you’re describing would be illegal. If she asserted her right to have her disability accomodated under the ADA, and then was retaliated against with personnel actions and a hostile work environment, that’s a discrimination complaint under the EEO.

          1. AJS*

            Yes, but you cannot legislate away her co-workers’ right to loathe her. Even if all protocols are followed to the letter, it would make for a cold, unpleasant situation.

            When it comes to pets, reason goes out the window.

            1. Labyrinth*

              No, it doesn’t. Being unreasonable is a choice. Think about the all-male environments that hire a woman. If they had been acting sexist before, they’ll now have to stop, and it’s not uncommon that the men act resentful towards the woman for “making” them have to build women’s bathrooms and stop with sexist jokes and pictures. Should women just not work in these environments? Is it good advice to say “well, they will hate you, you’re the killjoy, whatareyagonnado, nothing to do about that, it’s better for you to work somewhere else”? No, we’d encourage that woman to stand up for herself and insist that the managers take this seriously and won’t allow anyone to treat her badly.

          2. AnotherFed*

            Proving an obvious violation is one thing, it’s the more insidious retaliation that would be very hard, and it’s possible that at least some of it would be unconscious. If someone is this allergic to dogs, then they’ll be unlikely to mesh well with the rest of the team, especially after the dogs are banned. The little things like people prioritizing the OP’s requests below requests from others, not doing more than the minimum to assist the OP, going to people other than the OP for help or to partner on good ideas/process improvements, and possibly being seen as a bit of an overreactor by coworkers will certainly put the OP at a disadvantage compared to the other coworkers and mean the OP has to work harder to have the same organizational contribution.

            Note that I’m not saying the OP is overreacting on allergies, just that if the OP’s coworkers have seen her endure the allergies without a life-threatening reaction in her first weeks on the job, they may not understand that medication can become less effective or the allergies can worsen to the point where the reaction becomes life-threatening.

        3. Blossom*

          I don’t mean to be facile, but doesn’t Fighting the Power almost by definition involve the possibility of alienating and angering those in a position to affect your happiness?

      7. Green*

        I think the consideration here is whether the job is worth it to OP even if there is tension and resentment regarding the changes needed to accommodate her. If she has no other job and limited opportunities, then it’s fair to enforce her rights in order to preserve her livelihood. If it’s easy to change jobs and find something similar without dogs, I would just do that as the path of least resistance. (And the allergies do need to be severe in order to be covered by the ADA, which it sounds like they are here. If it was take-a-daily-Claritin-and-move-on or try to fight for dogs to be removed, LW should take the daily Claritin.)

        1. Green*

          (And, yes, ADA prohibits retaliation, but if the “retaliation” is that everybody hates you it can be hard to enforce that aspect of the ADA and really puts you up for some unpleasant times.)

          1. Mike C.*

            I don’t see what is so difficult about saying, “management allowed retaliation through the unpunished actions of my coworkers and here are a ton of documented examples”.

            1. Green*

              Because someone choosing not to sit with you at lunch or giving a project to someone else can be justified without reference to the accommodation request. (“Oh, I didn’t give Jane that project because Charles had already expressed an interest and had more bandwidth!”)

                1. MK*

                  I am a lawyer, and, no, there aren’t always ways to deal with this. You would have to prove that the negative behavior is caused by your coworkers discriminating against you because of your condition; not just claim that it iis so, but prove it, which might or might not be possible. And it’s more difficult when you are new, because you have no frame of reference. The coworkers and the company could claim that it’s just a case of the new person not fitting in/working out in the job.

                2. Green*

                  I’m also a lawyer. Most companies have very strong anti-retaliation policies that make it easier to punish behavior that includes social ostracizing, etc. but without a proactive employer in these situations it can be difficult to prove. People have many reasons for their actions usually, and you’d have to have a pretty lengthy list of “bad things” that happened after you asserted your rights or someone would have to be dumb enough to say things directly to you (which, hey, does happen all the time).

            2. Creag an Tuire*

              “No we didn’t, Cruella unfortunately just didn’t mesh well with the rest of the team.”

              Prove us wrong.

              1. Mike C.*

                “Huh, that’s interesting, because I have a log book showing how all of these policies were only enforced against me and only after we couldn’t reach a federally mandated accommodation.”

                Come on now.

                1. Creag an Tuire*

                  And if the policy is “employee must coordinate well and foster supportive relationships with colleagues”, and OP is the only person who fails to meet that standard? (Because nobody likes her?) C’mon now.

                  I mean, I wish discrimination law was as easy to enforce as you seem to think it is, because if it were we wouldn’t have such wide gender/race gaps in so many lucrative fields (including the one I suspect OP works in). But it isn’t.

                2. Ask a Manager* Post author

                  I’ve always been told that retaliation is actually one of the easiest things to win a case on, often easier than winning it on the underlying harassment or discrimination complaint that led to the retaliation.

                3. Mike C.*

                  You do understand that a judge will see right through that, right?

                  Furthermore, pay gaps are much harder to manage because you have to deal with systemic issues such as “making it socially acceptable to discuss wages in polite company” or “telling girls that they’re bad at math”.

                4. Green*

                  Allison — that “easier to win” comment about retaliation I could see applying much more easily to sexual harassment cases (particularly those involving a boss) than to people being upset about an ADA accommodation (unless they said things out loud). Ideally, nobody would have to worry about retaliation when enforcing their legal rights that society has decided are A Good Thing, but in practice OP should consider the trade-offs of Job vs. Fighting Everything. If I could easily replace the job, I would just do that. If not, I’d get my accommodation and then deal aggressively with any retaliation. But that doesn’t mean it will be “easy.”

                5. Creag an Tuire*

                  Green – Actually, having done some research, right now the opposite is true as of 2013 (Google “University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center v. Nassar”), as the Supreme Court held retaliation claims under the EEOC to a harsher standard than before.

                  This doesn’t apply to the ADA -yet-, though I’m sure the SCOTUS is going to “fix” that soon enough, bless their hearts.

              2. fposte*

                The thing is, though, all of this is after the fact. Even if the OP would win her court case, that wouldn’t happen for a few years, and she’d be hunting for another job in the meantime. And then she’s the person suing her employer in what sounds like a fairly close-knit field.

                By the time you get to a lawsuit, you’ve already lost your chance at a viable workplace for yourself; it’s not a corrective but a compensation. So if what you’re trying to do is make this job work, a lawsuit isn’t very helpful.

                1. LBK*

                  By the time you get to a lawsuit, you’ve already lost your chance at a viable workplace for yourself; it’s not a corrective but a compensation.

                  Oh, this is fantastic. I’ve never been able to concisely articulate why legal action feels so hopeless to me even in scenarios where you’d clearly win the case.

                3. Creag an Tuire*

                  Yes. Plus, while it might be “easier” to win a retaliation claim, you’d still have to be vigorous about documenting your interactions to the point of near-paranoia, which will only further increase your misery level in the meantime.

            3. Jillociraptor*

              Does it rise to retaliation if your coworkers just don’t really like you, though? It’s one thing if the coworkers started, say, not including the OP in meetings or not giving her work, or meaningfully impacted her ability to get stuff done. But what if they’re just kinda chilly and resentful?

              1. Green*

                Retaliation can include being socially ostracized or made to feel unwelcome, particularly under most [large company] corporate policies.

                1. AJS*

                  Yes, but you can’t force people to be friendly. You can require that ADA-required corporate policies be followed to the letter, but you can’t make the guy in the next cubicle suddenly let go of his resentment.

              2. mdv*

                Maybe the difference is whether or not they started out chilly and resentful, or turned that way after the OP is accommodated with a “no dogs ever” policy…

            4. bridget*

              But what if they just plain don’t like the OP but take no actual negative action against her, and are just coolly professional with zero social interaction? Working in an office where nobody wants to be friends with you isn’t retaliation in the legal sense, but it can make working at a job really unpleasant anyway.

              2. Green*

                It actually can be retaliation in the legal sense if it involves overt exclusion. But, yes, harder than Mike C. thinks to prove. :)

      8. Case of the Mondays*

        I’m also not certain OP’s allergies rise to the level of being covered by the ADA. The definitions have changed over the years to be more generous, for sure. The ADA defines a person with a disability as a person who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activity. What life activity is impacted here? Breathing? Seeing? Smelling? Sneezing and watery eyes (what she experiences with medication) might not rise to the level of substantially limiting her breathing and/or seeing. I have major environmental allergies so I understand how miserable one can be with them. The ADA is a finicky statute though and in the past at least, it was a pretty high bar to meet. Not all diseases are disabilities and not all disabilities fit in the ADA definition which is typically narrower than other venues.

        If I was the OP, I would want a lawyers opinion that my allergies rose to ADA levels before I tried to request drastic accommodations like no dogs at all. Anaphalactic allergies would certainly be ADA level but remember, that is recent too. In the past, intermittent disabilities didn’t count. As you saw in the Amazon article linked, only the most severe disabilities were accommodated there.

        1. Green*

          Severe allergies that cannot be addressed with medication would be covered by the ADA.

          There are two considerations: (1) is your condition covered? (2) is there undue hardship for employer to accommodate? The legal environment is pretty favorable to employees on both right now, as the lawyers consulted by AAM suggest.

        2. Ask a Manager* Post author

          The two lawyers I consulted felt confident she’d be covered, with the major life activity being respiration. But it certainly wouldn’t hurt to talk with a lawyer of her own before going that route.

          Bryan also pointed out that the standard for the ADA isn’t what you experience with medication. He said to me:

          “The ADA says that an episodic impairment is a “disability” as long as it would substantially limit a major life activity when active. It also says that the determination of whether an impairment substantial limits a major life activity shall be made without regard to “the ameliorative effects of mitigation measures.” That is legalese that means the determination is made based on the individual’s condition off medication rather than on medication. In this case, the individual’s condition off medication limits breathing and involves a dangerous situation.”

          1. Kyrielle*

            Also, the doctor has said continued exposure could make it worse. If “make it worse” potentially includes escalating it to the point where the medication no longer guarantees no life-threatening episodes…not that it sounds like that matters for ADA interpretation, but that’s what would worry me if I were the OP.

          2. GOG11*

            “That is legalese that means the determination is made based on the individual’s condition off medication rather than on medication. In this case, the individual’s condition off medication limits breathing and involves a dangerous situation.”

            Oops, I didn’t read the comments before posting. This is what I was trying to say.

        3. GOG11*

          She stated that her throat could close if she weren’t on medication, which definitely impacts a major life function (breathing). The accommodations aren’t just for when the condition is well-controlled (or, in this case, poorly controlled). As I understand it, the employee can seek and accommodations can be in place that account for the effects/symptoms/limitations posed by the disease when it is in its active state. So, in this case, her condition would qualify as a disability that is covered by the ADA, but IANAL.

      9. Creag an Tuire*

        I feel for the OP, because reading the Amazon article convinces me that the company will be smart enough to come up with an “accommodation” that will cut her off from the office and make her ineffective enough to safely fire.

        And given how huffy people get when schools accommodate -life-threatening- peanut allergies: “Yes, your child might go into shock and die, but -Muffy wants her sammiches-“, I’m not holding out much hope for OP’s future if she becomes That Buzzkill Who Took Our Dogs Away.

        This company sucks for not addressing this in the interview.

        1. Dynamic Beige*

          The thing about that Amazon article that stood out for me was that the dogs aren’t really a perk — they function more like therapy dogs. They are a condition of keeping employees happy. If most people only work there the minimum amount for their stock to vest or 5 years is the most they can stand, if the longer you work there the more you’re expected to give up your weekends… that is not a healthy workplace environment to begin with. I’m sure having your dog there is a way to relieve stress/calm the employee down, look like a “cool with-it” business and keep people from focusing too much on the lack of the work/life balance. “I’ve got a great job! I can play Foosball at lunch! I can take naps in the Nap Pod! There’s Thai food in the company cafeteria! I can bring in my dog and wear jeans! I barely sleep in my own bed, there’s only ketchup and cocktail onions in my fridge and I haven’t seen a family member in X months (which in some cases may be a perk) but my job is great!” I’m sure it’s much cheaper for someone to bring their dog in to help keep them calm than to have to take a couple hours every week to visit their therapist.

          I can’t see how keeping a dog in a building all day, perhaps crated for a fair portion of that is better for them than being at doggie day care where they can do what they want or having a dog walker come by in the middle of the day.

          Also, why is it that if you don’t like dogs you’re a MONSTER! But hating or disliking cats is somehow OK? I mean OK in the sense that it’s somehow seen as more “normal” (especially for men) to just not like cats.

          1. Creag an Tuire*

            To your last paragraph — it’s because even cat people acknowledge that cats are assholes. ;)

      10. LBK*

        For me it would depend on how many people are using the perk. If we’re talking maybe 2-3 people that are bringing in dogs I wouldn’t feel so bad about asking for the policy to be changed. If this is a major thing that half the office is utilizing on a daily basis then I don’t think it’s worth it to pursue the lawsuit. I’d find a new job – even if you managed to get the perk removed by invoking your rights under the ADA, I’d imagine your reputation would be so tarnished that it would be hard to enjoy your job anyway. Which sucks and runs completely counter to the purpose of those laws, but realistically winning a lawsuit doesn’t mean people have to like you afterwards.

        1. The Allergic OP*

          It depends on the day, some people bring their dog once a month, others every day. On a given day there are about 18-30 dogs here.

          2. Dynamic Beige*

            You know, I wonder if that is a health code violation. I mean on those hoarder shows, people sometimes have been hoarding animals and there’s a limit to how many you’re allowed to own depending on your county/size of property. I don’t know 100% but I would bet there are limits on how many animals are allowed at a shelter or pet store (I also wonder that if a group of people who needed service dogs wanted to meet at a restaurant, is that OK to have say a dozen or more service dogs in an area like that?). Maybe because it’s a private office building, the laws are different, it might be worth looking up just to see. If a private building that holds 1000 people routinely has 200 dogs in it in a day, there might be some violation there in terms of licencing that would be required in order to house that number of dogs — the company is kind of functioning like an ad hoc doggie day care centre. If the dogs are in the same building as the food services but a different floor, there might be some sort of code that is on the books in terms of ventilation or air purification that the builders didn’t follow.

            Alternately, I would wonder what kind of insurance they have. If someone’s doggy darling bites another employee, or gets into their office and wrecks stuff, or an important client/visitor who turns out to be allergic to dogs comes for a tour and has an attack that winds them up in hospital… oh the lawsuit would be one that would make all the news cycles and sources.

            1. Marian the Librarian*

              This is definitely true in some cities. In my coworker’s town, if you have more than two animals that place then qualifies as a “kennel” and you need a specific waiver to be able to “run your kennel.” Apparently they try to crack down on it really hard, though! But I’m in the Midwest and towns here are not as dog-friendly as places in California and the PNW.

            2. Geof*

              Speaking here as the human half of a service dog team, yes we can gather a dozen or more teams in a restaurant. Service dogs are considered a medical device, not a dog, and are allowed [almost] anywhere their human partner is allowed to visit. Also a visiting Service dog does not violate a health code simply by being in a restaurant.

      11. Manders*

        I think this partially depends on how severe OP’s allergies are. I’m not even sure if getting rid of the dogs would immediately end OP’s allergy attacks–they might also have to deep clean the office to make it allergen-free, and if the other employees have dogs they’ll still be carrying around a lot of hair and dander on their clothes. I would be very, very reluctant as a new employee to demand that the office end a popular perk, especially if I weren’t 100% certain that it would fix the problem.

        I’m also wondering about the company’s reluctance to let OP telecommute. Is there another role they could move her into that would let her work from home? If every single company in her field has dogs in the office, and OP absolutely can’t be around dogs, I’m not sure staying in the same role but moving to another company would be a viable solution either.

        It’s a tough situation! I feel for the OP, but I also understand why the company would be very reluctant to ban dogs from the office.

        1. CAF*

          This. Dander sticks around for months and is very easily transferable on clothes. Even immediate banishment of dogs from the office wouldn’t bring OP complete relief right away, which makes me lean towards advising them to keep looking for a dog-free job.

          1. Solid B student*

            But would it not still be a problem if many of her co-workers own dogs and dander gets transferred to their clothes and travels to work with them?

            1. Manders*

              Yeah, that’s something I was wondering about as a hypothetical. At what point do reasonable accommodations end? Can an employer control what employees touch outside of work, or how they wash their clothes, or what pets they own?

              I did recently read an article about someone who is deathly allergic to even tiny amounts of a chemical that’s in almost every perfume and cleaning product, so I’m thinking of a worst-case scenario instead of what’s realistic for the OP. It sounds like OP has had other office jobs in the past, so if their allergies are that severe they would have mentioned it.

              1. UKAnon*

                I would guess that in the OP’s case they seem to be on pretty strong medication, so the (much lesser) allergens brought in are something they’ve found a way to cope with. It’s vastly different to having dogs (potentially lots of dogs, though the OP doesn’t clarify) around you all day, getting into your clothes (so it continues when you go home) etc.

              2. CreationEdge*

                Perhaps the Cracked article about the lady allergic to lavender, “I Am Deathly Allergic To The World’s Most Popular Smell”?

                If so, that was pretty awful. She’d have people (students) intentionally spray her, and then she’d have to be taken to the hospital in an ambulance.

                It’s an awful situation, and the way people treat others with those severe allergies is awful.

                Nobody ever goes, “Oh, I don’t believe you’re epileptic. Here, look at my strobe light.”

                1. Manders*

                  Yes, that’s the one I read! She couldn’t have any kind of office, retail, or service job because she was allergic to such tiny quantities of lavender that there was basically no way to protect herself from someone who might have used lavender skin cream or perfume at home. Some of her jobs sounded like they might have been violating the ADA rules, although honestly, I’m not sure how they could have accommodated her safely. That was an extreme case, though–it doesn’t sound like OP is at that point.

              3. Biff*

                This — even if OP has had successful office jobs in the past, I’d be concerned that:

                1. Even with a deep clean of the office.
                2. And sequesteration of the OP.
                3. AND air filters.

                That the sheer number of dog owners at this office would be tromping in with so many allergans that these efforts would not resolve an allergy that is apparently as severe as hers is.

            2. ExceptionToTheRule*

              It tends to be a much more intense reaction when you’re around the actual source of your allergen – ie the dog itself and the poorly vacuumed carpet that the dog lays on and rolls around on. Contact with people comes and goes. Dog dander in the carpet is forever.

          2. CAF*

            It sure could be a problem, depending on the severity of the allergies. Or it could stop being a problem once the dander in the office clears out, because there is less of it. My allergist told me pet dander is really everywhere, though, because it travels on clothes. That’s why OP may be better-off with a dog free workplace. People will still have dogs, but probably a lower percentage of them.

      12. Mike C.*

        This is why I’m convinced that if they can’t find another solution that the dogs will have to go and the coworkers will have to suck it up.

        1. Mike C.*

          And I just want to point out something – it’s entirely possible that the coworkers will understand that this is a serious issue, take it seriously and not retaliate against the OP. Respiration is a rather understandable concern.

          1. JB (not in Houston)*

            I would hope so, but as someone who has a lot of allergies, I’ve had a number of friends, family members, and coworkers be pretty annoyed by having to accommodate it.

            1. Anon Accountant*

              Same here. I have allergies to cats and dogs that some family members get upset when I won’t go to their homes because of their animals. My allergies can trigger an asthma like attack with airways swelling closed from breathing in animal dander.

              1. Mike C.*

                I just have to ask, how do they react when you say something like, “If I go to your house I might die”?

                Maybe I’m just blind to the crap folks like you have to go through, but that seriously breaks all standard protocol as far as being a good host is concerned to complain about your allergies.

                1. Rana*

                  From what I’ve seen, the reaction not infrequently is to assume that the allergic person is either lying or exaggerating. Some people will even do things like feed people food they’re allergic to to “prove” that it’s “all in their head.”

                2. Mike C.*

                  Holy shit. So they get a response ranging from “prove that they know more than trained medical experts” to 1st degree murder charges. Why are people so damn petty?

                3. blackcat*

                  My experience is that people (even well meaning people) just don’t believe how bad it can be. “Might die” is somehow too abstract.

                  My husband was raised by a woman who doesn’t believe in allergies. He, being a reasonable person, believed me when I said I had serious allergies. The first time he witnessed a major reaction (which was far from my worst ever!), he was like “THAT WAS SO AWFUL! I COULDN’T IMAGINE! YOU ALMOST DIED!” (No, I hadn’t almost died. I had used my epi pen and gone to the hospital. Modern medicine is pretty amazing, and we have multiple excellent ways to treat anaphylaxis.) He even said that my warnings of “An allergic reaction can kill me” were hard to believe until he saw what happens when I have a bad reaction. He is now far, far more careful about my allergens and is way better about boundaries with his mom (no, she cannot stay at our house, because she will use lotion that will cause a severe allergic reaction).

                4. fposte*

                  I think also that this response gets diluted by all the people who are “allergic” to something they don’t like, or that they’re sensitive to, or that makes them feel not well. There’s a lot of incorrect self-diagnosis and straight out BS under the allergy umbrella that makes it really hard for people at genuine risk of anaphylaxis.

                5. Kara*

                  Another problem that contributes is that a lot of people will say they have an allergy to something they just don’t like or don’t want to eat. You’d be amazed at the number of dieting/fitness boards where I’ve seen people flat out admit that they lie about allergies and/or advise others to do the same. (Eg: Oh your coworker won’t stop pushing her homemade casserole at you? Tell her you’re allergic to zucchini and will die. That’ll make her stop!)

                  Unfortunately that kind of thing makes some people skeptical about claims of allergies to the point that people who really DO have series allergies get discounted. Which is why I hate it when I see people lying about having an allergy just to get out of eating something or doing something they don’t like.

                6. Aunt Vixen*

                  “allergic” to something … they’re sensitive to, or that makes them feel not well. … really hard for people at genuine risk of anaphylaxis.

                  But anaphylaxis is not the only allergic reaction. You know that, right? I say this as someone with pretty much all the environmental allergies and many of the animal allergies–and two food allergies that I called intolerances until a doctor told me they sounded like straight-up allergies to him. The body has lots of different ways it can reject things.

                  There are *also* people, of course, who claim to be allergic to things they simply do not prefer. That does make it hard for the rest of us to be taken seriously. But it didn’t sound to me like that was what you were talking about.

                7. fposte*

                  @Aunt Vixen–yes, of course, I was using anaphylaxis as shorthand for “significant allergic response.”

                  And there are significant responses that aren’t allergic that may also fall under the ADA and are certainly worth attempts to accommodate–celiac disease is a good example. But I have many friends and acquaintances with allergies (and I’m one of them) and others with “allergies.” Those of us in the first category have a huge variety of responses, many of them quite tolerable, which muddies the water; those in the second category are utterly unpredictable, because they’re not talking about allergies so could be talking about any number of distastes, sensitivities, and reactions. I think the word is a pain in the ass, frankly, because it conveys virtually no useful information on its own anymore.

                8. AvonLady Barksdale*

                  I know people who would get upset by such things. I personally wouldn’t. I have a friend who came to my apartment, started sniffling and getting runny-eyed, and he wouldn’t accept my offer to go somewhere else! He’s a wonderful friend, just a little TOO generous. I told him flat-out that he was no longer allowed in my home because he’s allergic to my dog.

            2. Bangs not Fringe*

              Yes. Despite explanation, even people who care about you sometimes don’t grasp the seriousness of the situation… in this case, the effect of the allergens.

          2. UKAnon*

            That’s what I’d hope too, but the OP says they didn’t react well to OP being allowed to work from home one day a week so it sounds like a bit of a vain hope…

          3. Linked Paperclips*

            One of my coworkers brings her beautiful outdoor plants into the office every winter. She’s probably got 30 of them, ranging from little stuff (orchids) to big stuff (like citrus trees!). She proactively offered to remove them from the office if I had any adverse reaction to them. Luckily, I don’t have any problems, but Mike C. is right that some coworkers may be very sympathetic and cooperative. I also had another coworker who threw a tantrum when I asked him to not smoke right outside the door, but he’s unreasonable in other respects, as well. It just depends.

            1. Elizabeth West*

              I would have backed you up on the smoking one, because when I smoked (obviously not allergic), I realized that it stunk. I didn’t even smoke in my own house or car. The odor is a good enough reason to say something in the case of smoking.

          4. Applesauced*

            You can understand the need for the change and also be annoyed at the sudden end to a perk – not to mention the added cost of a walker or pet-sitter that you may not have budgeted for since you took a lower salary because you could bring your dog to work.

        2. KT*

          As someone with Celiacs…people don’t get it.

          Eating gluten makes me severely ill, yet people think it’s “all in my head”, “not that bad”, or “one bite won’t kill you”.

          My mother in law went to elaborate detail explaining how she had looked up a gluten free recipe and had spent all day making a gluten free cake for me. I ate a few bites and could immediately tell it had gluten, so I stopped eating it. She made a big fuss that because I had taken bites and hadn’t keeled over dead immediately, it wasn’t a real illness.

          Later that night, I woke up violently ill with a pain you couldn’t imagine and I couldn’t stop throwing up. I ended up in the hospital for 3 days.

          1. rory*

            oh god, the poisoners. The poisoners. They think it’s this harmless thing that won’t hurt! Well, sure, it doesn’t hurt THEM. When I’m spending the next two days not able to move, it sure is hurting ME.

            It needs to be a crime. (I have no idea that it’s not already, but can I get my brother arrested then?)

          2. Marcela*

            Probably I would have ask my husband to tell her he was going to be a witness in the following criminal investigation, given she was actively trying to kill you, since in her mind a) it was a real illness, therefore you died from it, or b) it wasn’t a real illness, therefore you lived. Honestly, it’s a problem of logic. And decency. But the logic bothers me more, perhaps because it’s less abundant in my family.

          3. Elizabeth West*

            I want to kick people who do that. Argggh. I’d rather not make you a cake if I couldn’t be sure it wouldn’t make you sick. I’d rather you were okay than had some cake I just HAD to make. When people do this shiz, it makes it all about them.

      13. My 2 cents*

        Here are my thoughts:
        1) How in the world did this not come up in the interview?!?! Did she never go to the office and notice all the dogs? This was a huge oversight somewhere
        2) Even if the office removes all of the dogs, what if someone has a service dog now or down the road, whose medical need takes priority?
        3) If I am the employer and I have to do away with this huge perk, which causes intense morale issues and my staff no longer produces at the same level or I lose key people because they need to work where they have their dog, could that not be considered an undue hardship?

        1. Suz*

          Or what if one or more of the dogs that are already there are service dogs? Would that employees disability trump the OP’s since they were there first? Or does it matter whose disability was worse? Or which employee is more valuable to the company?

        2. Mike C.*

          RE: 3 No way. There are too many workplaces that don’t already allow dogs, and somehow those places are doing just fine.

        3. KT*

          I do wonder about this…I have a service animal who comes to work with me. There is a coworker with severe allergies, but we are now stationed on different floors and even use different entrances/bathrooms to make sure my helper doesn’t irritate her allergies. My company has the space/facilities to do that–but if they didn’t and we had to share a floor, whose needs would trump whose?

      14. Anonicorn*

        I think rather than attempting to isolate allergy sufferers like the OP, perhaps the workplace could keep the dogs in a specific part of the office. People still bring their dogs, they just aren’t everywhere.

        1. Anonicorn*

          Oh, also! Possibly someone has said this already, but if the dog-at-work perk has to be taken away, I wonder if the company could offer discounts at a pet day care.

      15. Ad Astra*

        I think she’s better off finding a new job, but that is obviously easier said than done. If it were me, I might use ADA protection to get the dogs out of the building for the time being, and then start sending out resumes.

      16. Lily in NYC*

        I think the employer should find a way to get OP an office with a door she can shut – even if they have to build one in an open area. I love the idea of a dog-friendly office, but allergies this bad trumps people’s desire to have dogs at work. And if she does feel like she has to leave, then I think she should be given a generous severance package even if she resigns because this sucks.

        1. hjc24*

          Good point on building an enclosed workspace for the OP – this isn’t as daunting and expensive as it might seem. It doesn’t even need to be permanent. I work in a library and we put up some plexiglas “flexwalls” to create temporary classroom space during a renovation, and it was quick and fairly inexpensive. The walls weren’t soundproof, which was an issue in our situation, but since that isn’t the issue needing to be addressed here, it seems like it might be a good solution. When the employee leaves (hopefully far in the future, for reasons unrelated to the allergy), the company can remove the flexwalls if they want to return to the original office configuration.

      17. The Other Dawn*

        I think she needs to ask herself if she’s willing to be *that person* in the office. I’m not saying she shouldn’t push to ban the dogs if that’s what she wants to do, but if she exercises her rights and has the dogs removed, will she ever really be happy there? I don’t think employees will blame the company; they will blame the person who caused the employer to take away their perk. She will always be known as the “pain in the ass who took away our awesome perk.”

        1. ExceptionToTheRule*

          I’m that person. It wasn’t a real perk – there just wasn’t a policy so… I don’t care, but I’ve been here longer than the dogs – which is not the OP’s position.

      18. Episkey*

        I have no easy answer, unfortunately. I completely agree with you that it is an UGH situation and the employer should have DEFINITELY brought up this fact in the interview process. I’m just saying this is how I would feel as a longer-term employee in that company. I’m not saying it is fair, but I would be upset.

      19. Nobody Here By That Name*

        My thoughts:

        1. I’d try to explore that working from home option more. Why is it okay one day a week but not others? I get that some jobs are like that but given the extreme nature of the problem perhaps this is something where the line needs to move. Perhaps the OP could sit down with her boss and find out the reasons why they feel she needs to be in the office those 4 days and figure out a way to address that. This could involve either increased measures to keep in touch while she’s at home or perhaps even switching some job duties with another employee.

        2. On the flip side, what about the dog-having employees? Could they be allowed to telecommute more? That allows them to keep working with their dogs while decreasing the allergen issue at the office.

        3. If the company is in an office complex, is there a small conference room or empty office which could be rented for her to use to be on site but not immediately breathing in the allergen atmosphere?

      20. AthenaC*

        Is it reasonable in this circumstance to resign and ask for severance? It doesn’t seem right to be the one that wants to change an environment that’s working for everyone else (although it is her right), but at the same time this environment is definitely not working for the OP, and I cannot imagine it would be good for her to continue to expose herself to allergens while she looks for another job. Severance would allow her to remove herself immediately while she continues to job-hunt.

        The fact that the employer is trying to be accomodating suggests that they might possibly be open to the idea.

      21. BRR*

        I would love to see a poll of readers on this (can you do that on here?). This is a really tough question.

      22. AnonAnalyst*

        If it’s me, I would probably be more comfortable just leaving that job and seeking a job elsewhere. I know the OP said that dog-friendly offices are common in her industry, but I wonder if there’s some implementation of that would work better for her. Perhaps in a larger office or a space with different configuration there could be a separate floor or more cordoned off area for dogs where she’d have less exposure that maybe wouldn’t trigger the allergic reaction, or make it less severe?

        For me, I don’t think I would be up for that fight and I’m lucky enough to have other options so I would probably just go that way. I don’t know that it’s the best way to proceed but if I’m honest it’s probably what I would do.

        Ultimately, though, I think it’s fair for the OP to proceed with requesting accommodation under ADA if she wants to stay in this job. I would hope that the coworkers would be understanding given that something they think is a cool perk, but is unrelated to the actual work they’re doing, is causing the OP physical distress when she’s required to be onsite for the actual work she’s doing.

        It’s a tough one, and I really feel for the OP.

      23. Episkey*

        Also, I’m curious….what would happen if the employer said something in the interview process such as, “We want to be upfront with you, this is a dog-friendly office and we have several employees who bring their dogs to work with them. Would this be a problem for you?”

        The candidate says no, gets the job, and then invokes ADA by saying she is allergic to dogs and needs the dogs to stop coming to the office. Can the employer let them go, not for being allergic, but for lying during the interview process?

          1. AJS*

            Not to be snarky, but I’m curious: why not? Lying about your credentials can get you fired. Lying about whether you have reliable transportation can get you fired. It seems to me that deliberately and perhaps maliciously lying about whether you can accept a company policy should be grounds for termination as well.

            1. VintageLydia USA*

              Because the lie would be to prevent illegal discrimination against them, I’d bet.

            2. Katie the Fed*

              You can’t sign away some legal protections. Like a non-exempt worker can’t agreed to work unpaid overtime – she’s legally entitled to it and her employer can be held liable for not providing it. A worker can’t give away her rights to ADA or equal employment protections.

      24. CAinUK*

        If I were in the situation, I would do as you first suggest (see if there is reasonable accommodation we hadn’t thought of) and in the likelihood that didn’t work, I would have a conversation with HR and the hiring manager outlining that I could not work in the environment and that while ADA backs me (and I’d point that out explicitly) it would be best if all of us acknowledged I would need to find a new job and they should support me through that process.

        This means the OP could take interviews, rely on strong recommendation and the employer supporting her by explaining to other folks why she was leaving, and so on.

        Normally I am not a fan of the “I am leaving but not sure when” approach, but it is a perfect compromise here since the employer wants to avoid ADA lawsuits and the employee needs to find a new job without jeopardizing her income in the interim.

        1. UKAnon*

          But the OP doesn’t need a new job. They may decide they want one, but they don’t need one. Their coworkers need to grow up.

      25. INTP*

        On a selfish level, as a person with allergies, I think that it would be great if the OP raised this as an ADA issue. Maybe more horror stories about companies that had to revoke the perk when it became an issue would prompt companies to think twice before welcoming dogs, or at least make sure they had viable alternatives for allergic employees and disclosed the policy up front. (I know the latter doesn’t make a difference legally, but it would allow many people to just not take the job rather than having to get into a no-win situation like the OP is in.)

        Ethically, I think that the OP is in a situation where it is acceptable to do whatever she needs to do to protect herself. She’s been put in this situation through no fault of her own, and she has her health and finances to protect. If she needs the paycheck, it would be fine for her to put up a legal fight. She doesn’t owe it to her fellow employees to not exercise her civil rights because the company failed to think through whether they could employ a policy legally. But if she has other options, or plenty of savings and prospects and would rather preserve good relations with her former coworkers than gear up for battle, I think it would be fine for her to leave the job ASAP too. (I don’t think a two week notice would even be ethically required in this circumstance unless they’re going to remove the dogs for two weeks.)

      26. Mary*

        If I was in her position, and I am in a similar health position at work right now although not allergies, I would ask her boss for help finding a new job somewhere else – my boss is doing that and it makes the transition a lot easier

      27. Alston*

        Ugh I feel terrible saying this but I think she should just bail, and probably ask the company to pay some severance while she finds a new job. She should be able to get to get the ADA accomodations, but even if she does it’s going to have ramifications with her coworkers.

        If this was my office I would feel really bad for you, and would do everything I could to try and keep the allergens from you, but if we all lost the dog perk? I’d be nice to you still, but I’d be livid. I’d try to keep it to myself, but I imagine your coworkers would be resentful of you for a very long time/forever. So you may not be sneezing, but you might not still have a great work environment.

        This is not a small perk. Doggy day care near me cost $30 a day. That’s $600 a month they now have to pay. It’s a lot of money, it makes their schedule more complicated, and this perk may well have been a HUGE reason they took the job.

        1. VintageLydia USA*

          But $30/day is frankly much cheaper than childcare and isn’t need for the vast majority of dogs. I mean, it sucks, but it’s not a perk you’re entitled do, nor is it a particularly common perk the way healthcare or PTO is (so generally isn’t one you should expect if you move on to another job elsewhere which most people will eventually do.) You could negotiate another perk to replace this one (maybe an extended lunch break that would allow you to go home and walk your pooch negating the need for doggie daycare) but that’s not a guarantee either. Your privilege to keep your dog with you doesn’t trump this person’s legal right to a workplace that won’t kill them and I’m sorry you lack the maturity to recognize that. This is not a bit of sneezing. They literally cannot work without being drugged up and their doctor is telling them it’s only getting worse.

          1. Alston*

            And I understand that, and would sympathize and probably agree it needed to happen, BUT I would still be upset. It’s a major financial perk that is being away. Imagine if your job had on site child care, for free, and suddenly took it away. You’d be steamed too I imagine?

          2. Alston*

            Also the fact that child care is more expensive doesn’t matter because we’re not talking about child care. If I took the job and considered this a major perk (or maybe this was even offsetting a terrible salary) this would be a big financial blow. And just because $30 a day isn’t a big deal for you doesn’t mean it’s not for other people. I never said my ability to keep my dog topped their ability to breath, i said I would sympathize but still be upset at them.

            1. Elizabeth West*

              I think the company should see if they can negotiate a discount with a doggy daycare. If they have quite a few people bringing pets in, a decent place might be willing to do that to get the extra business, if they can accommodate it.

              1. Alston*

                That’s a fair point. It’d probably have to be near the office though, employees probably don’t always live near each other.

            2. VintageLydia USA*

              But it wouldn’t be a financial blow for everyone. The vast majority of dogs don’t need to be in any sort of doggie daycare. If your dog is so active/destructive you can’t keep them home alone, chances are they’re probably too active for the office, anyway. The only reason I brought up childcare is keeping kids home alone all day is absolutely not an option and the people of this site (rightfully, I may add!) just last week made it crystal clear that kids don’t belong in an office outside of some very specific and rare circumstances. I don’t see why dogs are different in that regard.

              And on-site free childcare isn’t the same as bringing a dog in the office. The childcare would presumably not be in the same space as workers and would be easy to avoid for those who do not want or need to be around the kids. (It’s also unheard of. You may find on-site childcare at reduced rates, but very rarely if ever free. I think don’t even the employees at my kid’s childcare get it for free. They get a discount.)

              1. Alston*

                Dogs don’t have to be destructive to need to be in day care. Might be a dog needs a medication, or needs to pee sometime within the 9 hours I’ll be at work. And if this is a techy start up like mine? Often we’re asked to put in a LOT of extra hours in a pinch, which would either cost an arm and a leg at the doggy day care, or I might not be able to do if the place closes at 7. Even hiring a dog walker isn’t cheap, 15 a day instead of 30.

                1. VintageLydia USA*

                  But what you’re describing is no harder on parents of kids, and in fact easier (because the care itself is cheaper.) Like, I get it would be a bit of a burden at first, but allowing dogs in the workplace is such a rare perk to begin with I cannot imagine it’s something you’d structure your entire life around it. I mean, my SIL works at a vet clinic and she can bring her dogs in, but unless they’re being actively treated, if they need the kennel for a patient, she needs to take her dogs home.

                  And I especially don’t get being angry at the person who is deathly allergic to dogs, either. Be mad at management for not considering this when they decided to let non-service dogs in the workplace.

          3. Falling leaves*

            I think calling Alston immature is unwarranted, especially because their post never said the perk should trump the coworker’s health. They just said they would be upset to lose it. And given it is a relatively rare perk, it’s probably valued even more by the people working there because they know they might not get it somewhere else. Some of them may have specifically chosen this job because it was the best option for taking care of their dog. Of course they should explore other options to accommodate their coworker, but is don’t think it’s immature to experience some frustration with having to find doggy daycare, a dog walker, time to run home, etc. when you chose a job to avoid those things. No perk is ever guaranteed forever, but it’s pretty human to be upset when you lose something beneficial to you, even if you know it’s helping someone else. Taking that frustration out on the coworker would be unfair and immature, but just the internal emotion shouldn’t be judged so harshly.

            1. VintageLydia USA*

              They said: “If this was my office I would feel really bad for you, and would do everything I could to try and keep the allergens from you, but if we all lost the dog perk? I’d be nice to you still, but I’d be livid. I’d try to keep it to myself, but I imagine your coworkers would be resentful of you for a very long time/forever.” Emphasis mine.

              I think it’s immature for people to be livid at the person with the potentially life threatening allergy, yes. I stand by that statement.

        2. Katie the Fed*

          The employer doesn’t have to say “everyone has to abandon their beloved dogs at home all day because of Sneezy McSneezypants who sits in Cubicle 23A”

          They could just say “due to insurer concerns, we’re changing our policies on dogs in the workplace.”

          Annnnnnnnd done.

          Perks, terms of employment, conditions change ALL THE TIME.

          1. Elizabeth West*

            Insurance is a VERY GOOD POINT. I’m surprised nobody brought it up sooner (I haven’t read all the way down yet). One dog bite can drive your homeowner’s insurance through the roof–has the company thought about this possibility? Because they should. Any dog can bite under the right set of circumstances, and people are not always good at reading dog body language (i.e. when you should not be trying to touch them).

      28. Biff*

        Allison — the problem I run into is that we spend a LOT of time on this blog discussing how to value perks, and how much they play into the decision to sometimes take an otherwise poorly compensated position.

        I’m in the Bay Area and I have SEVERAL coworkers that have a daily 3 hour commute (round trip) I know of at least one that has a two hour trip (or longer.) If these folks couldn’t afford doggie daycare or a dog walker (which can run 500-1k for the month here) then finding an office like this might mean the difference between them having a dog or not having a dog, because otherwise they’d just be gone TOO long. Dogs can hold it for 11 hours, but it’s NOT healthy for them to do so. And in lots of places, it’s not safe to have a doggie door.

        It’s doubtless the case that at least a few of the coworkers turned down a better job or a closer job or a whatever job in favor of this perk. To take it away would put those folks in a bind, especially if it wasn’t possible for them to negotiate a different perk.

        What I’m hearing is that basically, I shouldn’t make any decision about workplaces based on a perk, because it can dry up at any moment, leaving me twisting in the wind.

        People really need to have some reasonable expectation that if a perk must be taken away, something else will be added in so that those who took the low pay or the bad commute don’t feel screwed over. What they REALLY need though is some reasonable expectation that their workplace will honor the deal.

        As for someone with as severe an allergy as OP has, I’d be concerned that no accomodation would be reasonable because pet hair, dander, and slobber comes in on coworkers and will get over to her desk. If her doc is really worried that any exposure will make her more reactive, she needs to consider disability. It’s there for a reason.

        1. arewehumanorarewedancer*

          What I’m hearing is that basically, I shouldn’t make any decision about workplaces based on a perk, because it can dry up at any moment, leaving me twisting in the wind.

          Yes. *All* perks can dry up at any moment. “Sorry, we have to cancel telework, people are slacking off.” “Sorry, no more casual friday, we’re going to have clients walking around.” “Sorry, we have to get rid of the free coffee, we couldn’t find a place in the budget for it anymore.” “Sorry, no bonuses this year, the CEO wanted a new yacht.”

          1. Biff*

            Right, but so often Allison advocates for readers to negotiate for perks in lieu of desired salary or other perks that aren’t available.

          2. UK HR bod*

            Yes , that’s right – the perks can dry up. So can the jobs – though, you make a choice based on what’s there at the time, and if it changes, you deal with it. You might buy a dog based on the fact that you can pop home at lunch time, but what if your work moves location and you can’t get home so easily? You make a choice based on whether you value your dog or job more. The OP can make that choice too, but there is very simple fact that buying a dog is an active choice in the first place, an allergy isn’t. It’s perhaps easier for me to say as in the UK, taking away benefits that are established either by contract or custom and practice requires formal consultation, but it doesn’t change the fact that things change.

      29. Not So NewReader*

        One question I have is IF all dogs are banned from the property, how long will it be until OP is comfortable? One person upthread mentioned something about 2 years to totally rid the building of the offending hair/dander/etc. I think that OP needs to think about what the end result looks like and is it doable for her.

        If you take on this battle, OP and win, will you actually want what you have won? This means the residual dander, the (potentially) ticked-off coworkers, etc.

        I had a good case for discrimination based on my gender. In a calmer moment, I said, if I win, do I want this job? The answer was NO. I did not pursue the case, I felt I was better off just living my life. Years later there was a class action on this very problem and the plaintiffs won. I ended up in a better place.

    4. AAA*

      Yep, I’d be pretty upset with the employer for providing a perk and having to rescind it because they didn’t think through the allergies issue.

      Also, while it isn’t an additional burden on the employer to just ban the dogs from the office, it may be on the employees, who might now have to pay for doggie day care or a dog walker. I’d definitely consider taking a job with longer hours and/or lower pay if I could keep my dog with me at work.

      For the OP, I’d recommend what others have said–you should have your own office with the dogs as far from it as possible, and air filters for both your personal space, plus throughout the office. I’m sorry you are dealing with this, it sounds like a nightmare!

      Just curious, did the OP not interview in the office? Since their allergies are so severe, I’d be surprised if the interview didn’t trigger them.

      1. IvyGirl*

        Yeah, I find that really strange. How did this not come up via the interview process, which presumably would have happened in the office(s)?

        1. Green*

          Even if it did, people with an ADA disability aren’t required to decline job offers or self-select out of them when their medical condition could be accommodated without undue hardship.

          1. IvyGirl*

            That’s understood; I didn’t mean that the employee should have brought it up – that the employer should have.

            Also really curious as to how the presence of dogs wasn’t noticed in the interviewing process.

            1. Alston*

              Yeah, doggy day care is expensive, $30 bucks a day at the one near me. If I have to pay $600 a month when I didn’t before I’d be pretty steamed at the LW, even though it’s not your fault you have allergies, my brain would say it’s your fault I have to pay that much more a month.

                1. Katie the Fed*

                  Yeah I’m struggling with this too. It’s not like the only options are doggie day care or taking the dog to work. Doggie day care is a fairly new creation in the millennia of history of humans & dogs.

                2. Biff*

                  Typically, it’s because dogs need to go outside more often than twice a day or else risk bladder health issues. It’s not always possible to have a dog walker or a doggie door.

                3. VintageLydia USA*

                  If you need to work a full time job and you have a dog that needs more than normal amount of care, then maybe that dog isn’t right for you? Or you need to find a job with fewer hours or is closer to home, even if it might require a pay cut. We all have responsibilities to juggle and pet ownership is optional.

                4. Mary Contrary*

                  Some possibilities off the top of my head are young dogs who can’t go a whole workday without being walked, a dog who needs medication during the day, a dog with separation anxiety…. When I was training my dog to be left alone, she cried until she puked – even at 10 minute intervals – until I found the right environment (small and cozy). Fortunately I was training when I was off work so she was ready by the time I started again, but there’s no way I could have left her alone all day before I finished training her up to several hours alone.

                  Doggy daycare isn’t the only option, but there are plenty of reasons a dog may not be able to stay home.

                5. Elizabeth West*

                  Biff and Mary Contrary–I see, though there are ways around this other than bringing your dog to work.
                  I wondered because all our dogs were always outside dogs. I have never had an inside dog. So peeing was never an issue, and we didn’t typically have puppies. They always had other animals around too, so they weren’t lonely.

                6. Biff*

                  Elizabeth, I agree there are ways around it. But, if people took this job specifically for this perk…. giving it up is going to be painful

                7. Green*

                  Elizabeth West — outside-only dogs are deprived of the pack-bond (and you’re deprived of the doggy snuggles in bed in the morning!), so it really isn’t caring for their emotional well-being to have outdoor only dogs.

                  That said, I have two dogs with separation anxiety, and they stay outdoors (both with shelter) in two separate pens or in separate rooms in the house (depending on the weather and length of time we’ll be gone), go to doggy day care on days that we’re going to be gone that will have high heat/low temperatures, and my spouse works from home. In the same way that it is someone’s responsibility to arrange for childcare, I agree that people need to arrange for their dogs to not be in the office.

      2. Retail Lifer*

        My dogs are home all day alone and when I work longer hours than usual I need to have someone come over and let them out and feed them. A dog-friendly workplace would be a dream so I would’t have to pay for this, and I would give up some other benefits for that one. If that perk was taken away, I might want to leave. It sucks to be in the OP’s position because it seems like the employer has tried nearly everything but banishing the dogs. If it comes down to that, the co-workers will all be made at him/her.

          1. JB (not in Houston)*

            Yeah, I get wishing things didn’t have to change, but it seems unfair to be mad at the coworker because she doesn’t want to quit the job she recently started or be sick all the time.

          2. rory*

            People find it easier to blame the person they can see in front of them (the OP, who isn’t to blame) rather than the ones they can’t (the people who made this policy who didn’t realize that people are allergic to dogs, who ARE to blame).

            It’s human, but it’s not a good thing. I’d hope people would learn better, but some never do.

          3. Not the Droid You are Looking For*

            I don’t think RL is saying that at all.

            People can still be upset about something while understanding that it is necessary. They can also be upset at the loss of benefits and perks, while sympathizing with a coworker.

          4. Kelly O*

            I do think maybe you’re making RL’s answer worse than it is.

            She’s not saying the OP doesn’t have a right to breathe. She’s just saying it’s a perk that would woo many people to an office, and having that perk taken away because management did not think it all the way through would be frustrating, particularly if the job pays less or has longer hours, but allows dogs on-site (which I would assume probably goes along with other perks.)

            I think this also points out the importance of thinking through things, and possibly having dissenting voices or “devil’s advocate” when decisions like this are made. I’m not saying to overthink and draw stuff out, but it’s important to consider multiple perspectives when enacting policy. What may seem fine to you would make it difficult for others to work.

            I see both sides of this, and I really hope they come to a positive resolution. I’d be interested to know if other companies have considered this, and what their policies are.

            1. Green*

              I LOVE DOGS SO MUCH (I am also allergic to them and have allergic asthma, and have 2 dogs and a cat anyway). But the competing interests in the office are: I LOVE DOGS + inconvenience of leaving my dogs at home vs. severe legally protected health condition. If it comes to blows, “legally protected health condition” will win.

            2. Creag an Tuire*

              An update for you (because the thread above ran out of replies) — when I texted Ms. Tuire about this, her answer was “not sure — not many people are ‘that’ allergic though right?”

              So unfortunately I haven’t resolved anything except to demonstrate that yes, it is plausible that nobody’s thought through the ADA implications until just now. :(

          5. AnotherFed*

            I’d be frustrated that I had to find other care options for the animals, potentially on very short notice, and if I traded other benefits for this perk and was now losing this perk, I’d feel like this was a benefits cut. Personally, I have a very old dog who needs some special care, including medications at specific times. If banning the dog from the office interfered with her care, I’d be angry at the situation. I would still be professional to the person, but I would absolutely have to watch my bias against this person. If the OP is new and has no professional reputation yet with coworkers, her reputation is going to be ‘the person who got dogs banned’ for a very long time.

            1. Mike C.*

              There’s no reason for you to treat them as though “getting all the dogs banned” is the only thing attached to them.

            2. Elizabeth West*

              See, I think this bias against the person bullshit is just that–bullshit. People don’t choose to have potentially dangerous allergies. Yes, it’s inconvenient, and yes, if your dog is ill, you would want to be in a position to care for it regularly, but this is not on the person. It’s on the stupid-ass company for 1) not thinking this policy through all the way, and 2) being dicks about not letting people work from home. Your bias is severely misplaced.

              You having a dog that needs special care, if I were your boss and were trying to be dog-friendly, you could telecommute. That wouldn’t bother me one bit as long as you got your work done.

              1. AnotherFed*

                I completely agree it would be wrong to take anger at the situation out on the person with allergies – no one chooses to be allergic to things, and it’s a very reasonable accommodation – and it would also be inappropriate to take it out on whoever hired this person without telling them or showing them the office dog culture. In fact, anytime the phrase ‘take it out on’ comes up in a work/coworkers context, it’s probably not okay.

                What I’m trying to express (probably badly) is that people would likely have strong feelings about the situation and some of them may even have valid causes to be upset or concerned. In those circumstances, people have to be careful to make sure that they watch out for unconscious expressions of bias against the OP. I’m not talking about the obvious things, like Mean Girls level of ridiculous – any one beyond middle school should be expected to know better than to behave that way. I’m talking about the smaller, harder to spot things, like tending to help people you like sooner or more than people you aren’t close to, or assigning some people projects based on things you’re aware they’re interested in because of casual conversations with them and don’t think to give interesting things to others, or not inviting the OP to events with coworkers because they’re dog-related events and that person wouldn’t be interested anyway.

      3. rory*

        “Just curious, did the OP not interview in the office? Since their allergies are so severe, I’d be surprised if the interview didn’t trigger them.”

        I don’t think anyone my department has hired in the last 2 years has interviewed in person. It’s all been phone/long-distance. It’s not that uncommon; I can’t remember the last time I had an in-person interview. But, yes, you can miss important things that way.

      4. Anonathon*

        Right. It certainly wouldn’t be the OP’s fault, but it’s pretty crummy to all the dog-owning employees to take away a perk that can have a substantial financial benefit. Our dog is older and lazy, so we can leave her home without assistance and she hardly notices. But plenty of folks have foster dogs, puppies, dogs with medical needs, etc. — dogs who probably don’t need constant care, but can’t be 100% alone for 8-hours. And if those people took (or have kept) jobs with this company in part due to that perk, it would be rough to spring daycare or dog-walkers costs on them. That stuff gets expensive real fast.

        (Again, the company screwed up, not the OP. But it’s worth nothing that banning pets suddenly wouldn’t be the same as, say, banning chocolate.)

        1. VintageLydia USA*

          I mean, neither can kids, but we put them in day care. That’s an option for dogs, too.

          1. fposte*

            Sure, but this is like their free on-the-job day care is closing on them. That’s a big deal. Not saying it trumps the OP’s need, but it’s a respectable level of burden they’d be facing.

            1. VintageLydia USA*

              Nearly all options for specialized dog care are cheaper than standard, no extra bells and whistles, childcare. I am not sympathetic.

              1. fposte*

                And I can’t make you be, but I still don’t think that’s fair. If your job moved an hour further away from you, that would be a big deal. You’re not entitled to have it nearby, and it would cost you considerably less than paying for childcare to get there, but that doesn’t mean the additional burden can’t be difficult for you. I don’t see why a change in obligations has to meet a high threshold before people can find it a problem.

                I’m not remotely saying that it’s unfair to require people to do that. But I think dismissing the fact that it will be a problem for people–a solvable and modest problem but a problem nonetheless–makes a resolution harder, and that dismissal suggests to me an impulse to punish the pet owners for having their dogs in the office in the first place. Which I also don’t think is fair.

                1. VintageLydia USA*

                  But when that exact situation of an office move has come up in this site in the past (a couple weeks ago IIRC) the general sentiment was–that sucks but you’ll have to find a way to deal with that up to and including finding a new job. Having dogs in the office is a cool perk for a lot of people, but not having to be drugged up on allergy meds (while still being miserable according to the letter) to keep from possibly dying or at least a trip or two to the hospital (with the associated bills) trumps that perk.

                2. fposte*

                  I think you’re conflating two arguments here, though. Saying “Look, this is a PITA for the dog people” isn’t the same thing as saying they shouldn’t have to do it; I feel like you’re unwilling to grant that it’s a PITA because it feels like saying it shouldn’t have to happen.

                  And both things can be true simultaneously; many things that are worth it are PITAs, after all. If I were managing in that situation, I’d acknowledge this fact, talk about the transition time, and of course speak individually with any users of service animals to discuss ways to make accommodation mutual. But I’d definitely make sure to acknowledge that this is an obstacle and to be aware that for some people it changes the desirability of the job, which is a feeling they get to have.

                3. Not So NewReader*

                  The company could find a near by doggie day care and perhaps work out a deal with the owner to offer a modest discount to employees.

                  The company could allow everyone a period of time to make alternative arrangements. Some people might be able to stop bringing their dog in immediately, others might take longer.

                  Maybe a couple of people will speak up because OP spoke up and OP will not be alone in this.

                  Or maybe OP’s boss knows of other options that OP is not aware of.

              2. Anonathon*

                Right, but you typically know that you need childcare when you take a job. And if the company has free, onsite care, that’s likely a major reason to take that job over another one! (Do such magical things exist?)

                In this case, the ability to bring their pets to work either factored into (some of) the employees decisions to work in this place or has since factored into their decision to stay there. It would be fine if the company never offered this perk in the first place, but it’s crummy to have folks make decisions based on it and then take it away. (Again, company’s fault — but still a lousy situation.)

            2. Green*

              It would suck to lose a perk. Especially one that people really like. But they didn’t plan this policy out well for the inevitable day when someone had a health issue.

        2. Liz*

          Yes. The cost of doggie daycare means this is tantamount to a massive pay cut (doggie day care would cost $1000/month for me). I would be livid if I worked there and they took this perk away. Being new, the OP is hierarchically lowest and just needs to find a new job (I know that sounds callous, but it’s just the reality).

          Also, I have never known someone who was lucky enough to work in a place like this except for a friend who worked at the Urban Outfitters corporate offices (well-known for this policy). So I’m having a tough time believing the OP’s only options are dog-friendly work places.

          1. Zahra*

            Actually, being intensely allergic, OP has the law on her side that the business MUST accommodate her as long as it doesn’t pose “undue hardship” to the business. Being that dogs are not an integral part of the business model of the business, the employees with dogs can certainly be upset but they’ve got to suck it up seeing as they’re not legally entitled to having dogs at work, whereas their fellow employee is legally entitled to breathe at work.

    5. KJones*

      My dogs would be upset if they went to work with me every day and then I suddenly stopped as well.

      1. Mike C.*

        Ok, but you do understand that your coworker’s health is more important than the feelings of your dogs, right?

        1. Myrin*

          Yeah, I’m a bit taken aback by that attitude and quite surprised by the priorities some people seem to have. I can understand being unhappy if what is a great perk to me would be taken away, especially if it means now having to find an alternative (probably costly) solutation, but I’d do it in a heartbeat if it meant a coworker literally would be able to breath freely.

          2. INTP*

            I am bothered but not at all surprised based on the dog owner entitlement I see everyday. Maybe it’s a local problem – maybe in some cities it’s unheard of to have someone angry at you because you asked them to please keep their dog from pawing at you in a restaurant where the dog is legally forbidden to be in the first place – but I no longer expect anyone to put the health and safety of other humans above their desire to be with their dog 24/7. (I know this is not the vast majority of dog owners, but it’s enough of them that I’m not surprised when the attitude shows itself.)

          3. AAA*

            I’m definitely not saying that the employer shouldn’t accommodate the OP by banning the office dogs; I’m just saying that it would be really disappointing to have to do so and incur additional unexpected expenses by having this perk removed, especially if that perk was a major reason you chose the job. This is not on the OP (who of course deserves to breathe freely) but on the employer, who should have thought through a solution in the first place.

        3. Curious George*

          This is not true for everyone. Different people will assign different levels of importance to different things.

          1. Mike C.*

            Basic ethics would put rank the health of a human over the temporary disappointment of a pet animal.

            1. Andy*

              A friend of mine was t-boned at an intersection. the At-fault veh had a driver and three unrestrained dogs.
              The driver of the at-fault left the scene in order to rush her dogs to the vet. My friend was airlifted and never saw the at-fault till court.
              And please don’t tell me how your dog is your ‘fur-baby’. Babies are people. Dogs are not people. Your love for your dog is not equivalent to my love as a parent.

              1. Curious George*

                “Your love for your dog is not equivalent to my love as a parent.”

                Not that it is s “love contest” but no one is a position to gauge or judge someone else’s love for someone/something else.

                2. Creag an Tuire*

                  I’m pretty sure I love my cat more than I love -your- children, but the latter has a potentially deadly reaction to the former I’m going to accept that it’s the cat that has to go.

                  Then again, something like 15% of pet owners would sooner get a divorce then lose the pet, so yeah.

              2. LBK*

                I mean, I’m pretty sure I actually do love my cat as much as some people love their children, but I’m also not stupid enough to think that my desire to (completely unnecessarily) bring her into the office is in any way comparable to someone’s ability to, y’know, be alive.

                1. Myrin*

                  Right? Especially since the matter at hand isn’t “either my cat dies or someone else’s child dies” – which I must admit isn’t a choice I’d want to make -, it’s “either I leave my dog at home for a few hours or my coworker at the very least gets severely ill”.

              3. AJS*

                That last sentence is a prime example of why many parents are seen as insufferable by those without children.

              4. Green*

                You are correct that dogs are not people, but people aren’t inherently better than dogs.

              5. Marcela*

                Perhaps my love for my pets is not equivalent to your love as a parent. But hell will freeze before _I_ consider _your_ child more important than _MY_ pet. I can understand the theory of your argument, but it is really presumptuous and insufferable when the argument is moved to the personal sphere. No, I do not care about your child. (Obviously, there are complicated exceptions to this. But in the event of an accident, given that any wounded person would be taken care of, while my pets will be left to die unless I do something about it, yeah, I would rush to the vet clinic after leaving my info).

                1. Marcela*

                  I forgot to say that in this specific discussion, yes, the right of my coworker to breath or having a healthy environment trumps my pet’s right to go with me to the office. No buts in here.

                2. AMG*

                  Thank goodness you are not a lawmaker, Marcela! You ARE someone’s child. Should my pet take precedent over you because I don’t know you? Are you really trained to determine who needs medical help and who is ‘okay’, especially when that person in the wreck left to get the animals to the vet while Andy’s friend had to be airlifted to the hospital?
                  At least you acknowledge that your pet’s presence isn’t as important as OP’s right to breathe and earn an income.

                3. BananaPants*

                  Sorry, but humans > pets. And yes, my kid is indeed more important than your pet (so am I, for that matter). I’d be willing to bet that rushing from the scene of an accident where actual humans sustain life-threatening injuries (worthy of medevac) in order to get Fido checked out at the vet would result in a massive and well-deserved civil suit, if not a hit-and-run criminal charge. A good lawyer would have a field day with that.

                5. AnotherFed*

                  Unless you’re a trained medical professional, what value will you add at an accident scene beyond ensuring that you called 911, the authorities arrived, and your information is left with the appropriate authorities? All you’re going to do is stand around while EMTs, firefighters, and police handle the accident scene. I had some EMT training a long time ago, but even that is pretty useless unless the one gauze pad and package of quick clot in my car first aid kit are all you need… in which case, your life sure wasn’t in danger!

                6. Green*

                  AMG & BananaPants — but is YOUR child more important than someone else’s child? (No.) Personal relationships matter to people, and so does responsibility. If your kid and someone else’s kid were drowning and you can only save one, you save your kid even though one is not objectively more important than the other. I have responsibility for my pet, and you have responsibility for your kids. I don’t know who I’d save if your kid and my dog were drowning, but during that split-second decision I would definitely consider that I am the only one responsible for my dog…

                  These are complex personal and ethical decisions (which are of no relevance to the OP), and there’s no point in circularly asserting that you are right simply because you are right while needlessly making people who believe that animals are living moral beings that have no less of a moral claim to life than humans mad/sad with dismissive comments.

                7. AMG*

                  Green, you are a truly deplorable human being if you really think your dog’s life matters more than someone else’s child.

                8. Ask a Manager* Post author

                  Hey, it’s not cool to call other commenters “deplorable” here when they’re engaging in civilized discussion. Please don’t do that. Thank you.

                9. AMG*

                  I can think of no other word for such disregard for another person’s life. Actually, I can, but you don’t want profanity on this blog either. I can’t think of a more offensive, terrible thing to say about another person than to say their kids’ lives mean less than a dog. Stunningly inappropriate and maladjusted. Hope that’s better.

                10. Marcela*

                  Well, @AMG, since I am not medically trained, what good does if I stay in the scene of the accident, after I called 911 and reported my responsibility to the police? Do you truly want me there, in the middle of important stuff, when there is nothing I could do, just because that other person is more important than my pet? Really? Do you believe that’s a good use of everybody’s time? Well, I don’t. Not because every single person is not valuable, which they are. But because there are some things only I can do and care about.

                  Funny you’d think I would not wait for the police or it will be a hit and run. People who claim animals are less important than people are always rushing to judgment. I wonder if it is that hard to think we can be different, we can be very compassionate and responsible and still care more about what is my life, than someone I don’t know, without thinking of extreme cases designed to make absolutely obvious that oh, God! I am a misery of a human being in a hypothetical situation not even described in full detail!

                  Having said that, yes, I am very happy I am not a lawmaker. Not that I get why that’s relevant here. We can’t presume lawmakers in any part of the world are models of compassion, decency or even logic. And no, I don’t presume I am more important than your pet. I am not egotistical, you know?

              6. AMG*

                Exactly, Andy. and I adore my dogs and cat. I loved my cat like a child, and told everyone so. Then I had an actual kid and that blows away any kind of love I thought I knew. To value the life of a pet over any human life is just bizarre. Call it insufferable or judgmental all you want, but it’s true and the vast, vast majority of parents will agree. Maybe they know something you don’t.

                1. Green*

                  It’s true for you. To assume that it’s then true for everyone else is the insufferable part.

                3. AMG*

                  And to say that my truth is invalid because you haven’t experienced it–and therefore a dog is more important than a child because you don’t know that kid– is asinine. Slow clap to that.

            2. tired of interns*

              I think it’s more about the cost involved in not bringing the dogs to work. If I worked there, I took the job at $salary, factoring the cost of not having to pay a dog walker and/or daycare into my salary negotiations.

              Now if the company says in order to accommodate this employee everyone has to make other arrangements for their dogs, that’s hitting all those employees in the walletwhich is a much bigger deal than “dog’s hurt feelings.”

              1. Nerdling*

                I can sort of see that, but at the same time, circumstances change. I went into maternity leave thinking I was going to go back to work leaving my child with my husband, thereby saving on child care. Turns out, the work he was doing ended up being way too intense to do that and take care of an infant, so we scrambled to find last-minute daycare. An unexpected expense.

                By the same token, what if you took the job knowing you could take your dog in, but it turned out that your dog wasn’t adaptable to office life? Suddenly your careful salary negotiations are busted by the simple fact that your dog’s personality isn’t compatible with being an office dog. An unexpected expense.

                And I’m sorry, but getting to go to work with my pet is a lot less important than other people being able to pay for their needs by working here.

              2. Mike C.*

                Then sort it out with management! It’s their fault for not having a backup plan to comply with a law older than a high school graduate.

              3. Elizabeth West*

                The company should have thought that through then. It’s on them. And Katie the Fed said something upthread about insurance, which could be a HUGE problem for the company if anybody’s dog bit someone.

            4. Green*

              I think severe “health” condition vs. “temporary disappointment” is perhaps “basic ethics.” But the human vs. animal (and random human vs. animal that you have sole responsibility for its wellbeing) are different concepts, and it’s pretty offensive to state it as obvious.

              1. Mike C.*

                It’s not a “random human being”, it’s a “human being that will needlessly suffer greatly to the extent of possible medical emergency against well established federal law” vs, “the temporary disappointment of your pets”.

                The comparison is actually much stronger now.

        4. My 2 cents*

          Actually, I disagree. My dogs were here first and were part of my agreement with my employer before the new person came. It was a total screw up that she didn’t know about the dogs when hired, but it’s not my responsibility to change my work agreement, which would have a HUGE impact on my work and home life, not to mention the health of my dogs, for someone who had the option to work there after this arrangement was already in place. Plus, what if my dogs are service dogs and have to be at work with me?

          1. Helka*

            It is your employer’s responsibility to change your work agreement if it is threatening the health of another employee as it stands, though.

          2. Ask a Manager* Post author

            But the law says differently.

            For what it’s worth, most workplaces that allow dogs have explicit rules in place that the permission can be revoked at any time if the dog is aggressive, disruptive, pees on the carpet more than once, or whatever. So most people aren’t going into these arrangements thinking it’s absolutely permanent and can never be changed.

          3. UKAnon*

            If your dog is a service dog then that’s a different issue – although presumably the first thing the company would try is OP at one end of the room, service dog at the other. But the simple fact is if you don’t need your dog there then sucks to be you. Just like they can change your holiday allowance/pay/other perks, the company can change their policy, and you can decide whether working there or having your dogs means more to you.

          4. Green*

            If they’re service dogs and there’s no way to reconcile your ADA accommodation with OP’s ADA accommodation, then OP’s accommodation becomes an undue hardship and isn’t legally required. But short of that, everyone else just has to deal because that’s the law.

            1. Mike C.*

              It’s highly unlikely that there’s “no way to reconcile” the two accommodations. A lot of folks just don’t seem to be willing to put in the time or effort to think about it and come up with a solution.

              1. Green*

                I said “If X AND Y, then Z.” I didn’t presume that there’s no way to reconcile, just that if that condition also existed, then the likely outcome was Z. And I haven’t seen anyone on the thread really going into this specific issue.

            2. Geof*

              Service Dog handler here. I have one co-worker who is very allergic to dog dander. My previous Service dog was a Lab/German Shepherd mix and very.. fluffy. The fix for us was two fold, the employer got an air filter for her workspace and my dog got a bath three times a week (up from once a week). It worked for us and her severity of allergy.. so some service dogs and some people with dog allergies can work together.

          5. Blossom*

            Your dogs are not employees, though. And yes, it is your responsibility to co-operate with any changes in policy, inconvenient as it may be.

            Service dogs are a different kettle of fish. (Though, “dogs”, plural?).

          6. Ezri*

            This isn’t just a random policy change, though, it’s a health-related accommodation that they might be required to enforce by law. There are lots of things an employee can legally change from your original ‘agreement’ with an employer – hours, pay, location.

            My employer made me move to a different office less than a year after being hired. The old office is still there, three minutes from my house, but I have to commute to the one half an hour away because my team is there. That wasn’t the original agreement, and it did throw a monkey wrench into my life. But short of quitting there isn’t anything I can do about it.

            Not to mention that they changed my terms based on a business reason that I don’t benefit from, and in OPs case the change would help her breathe at work. Breathing is important.

            1. Ezri*

              Oye. I meant that the employer can legally change an employee’s hours / pay / location. Though it’d be nice if I could just decide to change that stuff. :D

          7. Mike C.*

            Actually, it’s your management’s responsibility to change the work environment, and no, the OP isn’t responsible to self select out.

            Furthermore, I’m getting tired of people bringing up service dogs not out of curiosity but as some panacea to deny the OP and folks like her the right to a safe work environment. Both accommodations must be met, and the owners of the work place need to suck it up and come up with a proper solution.

            2. arewehumanorarewedancer*

              Yes. It’s using one disability to invalidate another one. Pitting various disabilities against each other isn’t cool. There’s no need to play disability olympics; BOTH are valid, BOTH should be accomodated. “But service dogs!” isn’t a way to deny the OP their right to be able to breath.

          8. Kassy*

            I think the dander of one service dog is probably not aggravating OP’s condition to the degree that an office full of dogs is. I could be wrong here, but I think the amount of allergens would make a difference. Also, UKAnon’s accommodation would probably work here.

        5. KJones*

          Of course! I didn’t mean it like that — I just meant the KJones house would be a little bummed for a while. I would be sad to lose what I considered to be a perk. We’d live, obviously. My negative feelings would be directed toward the management, who handled this pretty terribly.

          I would never suggest my dogs come to work over an employee.

        6. Biff*

          I’m going to step in here and be the bad guy.

          No, I don’t care. Not in any meaningful way. I’m a cog in a wheel in a machine in a building. If it’s no trouble for me to accomodate or help a coworker, I’m all over it. But what I’ve learned in the last two years is that there’s a strong element of dog-eat-dog in American Corporate Politics and that means that if someone has the choice of being ‘good’ or throwing me under the bus — I’m likely under the bus. They don’t care about my ability to put food on the table, and so it’s nice if I care about theirs, but it’s not in my best interests at all.

          I really wish it wasn’t like this. I really do. It’s not the person I want to be. But it’s the truth. At the end of the day I have to care about getting mine, because no one else is going to.

      2. sam*

        but your feelings, and your dog’s feelings, are not protected disabilities under the ADA. OP’s severe and life-threatening allergies are.

        1. Green*

          I mean, I understand the *emotion* behind it. I just don’t understand the rational hat not coming out to remind yourself that the emotion you are feeling needs to go away.

      4. Not So NewReader*

        A dog’s upset or happiness can be banked off of what we teach them. We can teach a dog, “It is okay”, when things are okay. We can teach a dog “No” and we can teach them about danger, too.

        I have noticed that if I remain calm, then my dog is more likely to remain calm. If I get upset, then my dog tends to get upset along with me.

        Of course, not in all cases. Some dogs are exceptions. In general terms, dogs tend to follow our lead.

    6. INTP*

      But that wouldn’t be a reasonable thing to be upset at the new employee for. You should be upset with your company for not managing the perk in a way that was sustainable. They should have disclosed in the hiring process regardless, and ideally had a viable solution for employees with allergies like a dog-friendly side of the building (which would still cause issues for me when everyone in a meeting was covered with dog hair). Is the employee just supposed to resign and be unemployed when the law is on her side rather than the company’s?

    7. JB (not in Houston)*

      I love love love dogs, and I would love to be able to bring my dog to work. But although I’d be sad to lose the perk, I hope that I would understand that when the result is causing someone to suffer all day, four days a week, I would not be really upset about it.

      2. Not So NewReader*

        This is what fposte was driving at upthread. Just because a person can agree that another human life trumps their dog’s ability to come to work, does not mean the person will not be sad about leaving the dog at home. A person can make the right choice and still be sad.
        Human beings are capable of having many opposing emotions at the same time. This is what makes us complex. I sincerely doubt that many people here have not experienced dual conflicting emotions. Most people have.

    8. Ad Astra*

      I would be less upset if the reason were a severe allergy than if it was just a preference. And if I knew my HR department and hiring manager failed to mention the dog thing before hiring a severely allergic candidate, I’d direct my anger at the HR department and hiring manager, not my poor coworker.

      1. Andy*

        I guess I can understand that to some extent, but regardless of allergy or preference your co-worker is a person and people are more important to the workforce than dogs. For the most part. Except if I fall off a boat, then send a dog.

        1. Jessa*

          Yes but it depends on the definition of preference. If I don’t want to be near dogs because I have panic attacks due to PTSD stemming from a violent dog attack when I was a child, I have an ADA case that has nothing to do with allergies, and if your dog is not a service dog, I’m probably going to win. Being terrified of dogs is just as valid a reason, even if some people’s issues do not rise to ADA accommodation status. This company made a serious mistake not explaining the dog thing at interview.

          1. Green*

            Being afraid of dogs is only as valid if the fear of dogs rises to ADA; similarly, the allergy is only a legally “valid” reason if it rises to ADA. If it can be resolved with medication, then the employee has the obligation to take a claritin.

              1. Ask a Manager* Post author

                To assess whether it qualifies as a disability under the ADA, you’d use the unmedicated state. But through the interactive process of discussing accommodations, if medication solved the problem without unacceptable side effects, that could be the accommodation settled on.

    9. katamia*

      Same. If OP’s coworkers can figure out she’s the reason for it (which it sounds like they could pretty easily, but I don’t know for sure), I could see this negatively impacting her relationships with them, too.

    10. Vicki*

      Wow. Yes. I don’t see how stopping a well-known company-wide perk can be considered a reasonable accommodation that “won’t impose an ‘undue hardship'”. All of your co-workers will consider this to be a hardship and that _will_ affect the operation of the business.

      Is it s “reasonable” accommodation for every employee to change something they’ve been doing for one new person? For example, if a new employee was allergic to peanuts, does the entire company need to go peanut-free? At what point does one person’s accommodation become unreasonable when it affects everyone else?

      Bryan said “But here, there would not be a direct expense of banning dogs from the office.”

      Oh, that’s wrong. There will be direct expense. There will be people who signed up with this company because if this benefit. If those people are highly skilled and desirable, they may very well consider leaving. The loss of even one in-place skilled employee will be a direct expense.
      Unfortunately for the OP, it will be easier and cheaper to replace her now than to replace anyone who leaves because their benefits have changed. (Also, the OPs relationship with those who don’t leave but can not longer bring their dogs to work will be harmed.)

      They should have told you this up front. (Are you certain that they didn’t? Did you check out the company’s web site?? Were there no dogs around when you came for an interview?)

      Think very hard before you become “the person who is directly responsible for having a benefit taken away from everyone.”

      1. Vicki*

        People leave companies because they take away free sodas, because they take away telecommuting, because they change vacation accrual policies, because they change medical insurance plans, because they stop 401 K matching.

      2. Ask a Manager* Post author

        I don’t see how stopping a well-known company-wide perk can be considered a reasonable accommodation that “won’t impose an ‘undue hardship’”. All of your co-workers will consider this to be a hardship and that _will_ affect the operation of the business.

        “Undue hardship” has a specific legal meaning that relates to the financial costs of implementing an accommodation; it’s not about whether it would change your office culture.

        Is it s “reasonable” accommodation for every employee to change something they’ve been doing for one new person? For example, if a new employee was allergic to peanuts, does the entire company need to go peanut-free?

        Yes, if the allergy is sufficiently threatening and there aren’t easier accommodations that would work.

        There will be people who signed up with this company because if this benefit. If those people are highly skilled and desirable, they may very well consider leaving. The loss of even one in-place skilled employee will be a direct expense.

        It’s also a direct expense when people leave because they don’t like that a company has started promoting women or gay people, or that harassment has been cracked down on. The law still requires it.

        Think very hard before you become “the person who is directly responsible for having a benefit taken away from everyone.”

        But would you be comfortable saying that if the legal right the OP was asserting was about disrupting sexual harassment or discrimination? Or about getting wheelchair access?

        1. Katie the Fed*

          I have seen accommodations that I would never have even dreamed could be considered “reasonable” – employers really are required to do quite a bit to make things work. And I love that it’s the law, honestly.

          1. Ask a Manager* Post author

            I find it pretty interesting that most of the time people are (often rightly) bemoaning the fact that the U.S. doesn’t have more worker protections, but here we have one and people don’t like it.

            1. Katie the Fed*

              Dogs, babies and tipping – three issues people have STRONG opinions about :) I guessed this morning this thread would get to 900 comments today.

            2. VintageLydia USA*

              “Oh you mean I actually have to consider the needs of people other than myself? I only want protections that help me, please!” Sorry I know I’m being snarky but the attitudes of some people here are really upsetting me. This can literally become life and death for a person (even if it’s not this particular person yet) and they’re crying because they have to do what dog owners in office jobs have done forever–leave the pooch at home.

              1. BRR*

                I completely get your point of people have done this for decades. Reading through your comments I think it’s being glossed over that a lot of people got used to this major perk. A key point is we’re not discussing whether to allow dogs in an office that doesn’t have them, we’re discussing taking them away.

                In the end though I think people should realize they might need to give up this perk because it’s not an undue hardship to leave your dog at home. I love dogs but they can be distracting, people have allergies, and some people don’t like them and unless the business is a doggie day care, dogs aren’t a business necessity.

                I can’t help but feel you’re playing devil’s advocate a little though.

                1. VintageLydia USA*

                  What do you mean by the last sentence? I really do like dogs–I used to work in a pet supply store specifically because it meant I got to meet and hang out with a ton of dogs every day.

                  But maybe I’m a little irritated because a lot of the reasons people are saying that the dogs should stay or the coworkers are well within their rights to be pissed at the OP are the same problems parents have, but lesser. Pet ownership is a choice and it would be nice if the employer would give a heads up before the policy change so people can make other arrangements if necessary, but it’s not going to be the end of the world. It reads like a bunch of whining to me. Do what parents do: put the kid/dog in day care, rope in family and friends to help out if you have to work late in the last minute, ask about extended lunch breaks or flex hours to deal with competing schedules in the family, etc etc etc. And the dog versions of most of this is cheaper than the kid versions. If they’re your fur babies than I expect you to deal with them the way I deal with my human baby without taking it out on the person who has a deadly allergy to your pet.

        2. Margo*

          I’m curious. Does the employer have an obligation under ADA to help mitigate any workplace hostility the accommodation causes amongst employees?

          I get there is only so much an employer can do in that regard, and you can’t make employees like each other. But the employer should be able to at least cut down on the direct comments. Are they obligated to do so? Would this potentially create a type of hostile work environment if they didn’t?

          Since it seems like the OP needs to push for unpopular accommodations, it should follow that as part of the accommodation the employer must also address the way the OP is treated in the office…shouldn’t it?

          It won’t fix the hostility issue completely, but it might make it a tiny bit easier for the OP to make such a difficult decision if she knew the company was required to have her back.

        3. Hold on one second*

          We ARE talking about a financial cost. There are stats that say how much it costs to replace an employee and they are pretty staggering, something like 30-50% of the employees annual salary. So, if I have to change my policy to accommodate this allergy and let’s say 25% of my staff quits because they counted on the dog policy, I now have the financial burden of 30-50% of their salary of 25% of my staff. That’s a real number!

          1. Ask a Manager* Post author

            There’s not a direct enough link. The EEOC specifically says that undue hardship cannot be based on the morale of other employees (although it can be based on whether it would be “unduly disruptive to other employees’s ability to work”).

            1. Hold on one second*

              I am glad this thread came up because it is obviously something a lot of us, including myself, are not well versed on. I did some more research today and just came across the EEOC info that you just posted, so I agree that the morale argument is not good enough, but I definitely think the “employees resigning en masse issue can definitely qualify. If 25% of my workforce suddenly quits I’m in trouble for a while as we hunt for replacements, my people that are left behind have to shoulder the extra load of those that left (which the EEOC specifically says can be undue hardship if putting that extra load on those employees prevents them from adequately doing their jobs and the business suffers), and the substantial costs associated with severance, recruiting, and onboarding. It could have a substantial impact.

              Another thing not addressed by the OP was the size of the company. In my experience dog friendly offices tend to be smaller companies and if this company is less than 15 people then they don’t have to comply with ADA anyways, so she may not be protected.

              1. Ask a Manager* Post author

                Given the number of dogs that she says are there (18-30), I imagine they’re over the 15 person limit.

                Anyway, the stuff you’re describing isn’t considered undue hardship. After all, if it were, a company could argue that it didn’t have to hire X demographic (gay/Catholic/older/women) because it would face a mass exodus of its bigoted staff.

              2. Katie the Fed*

                25% of your company is not going to quit over this. They’re just not. They might bitch and moan and threaten to do so, but at most 1-2 people will leave over it. Everyone else will deal with it just like they do every other unfortunate workplace policy change that they don’t like. Even the people who brought their dogs in weren’t guaranteed they could do it all the time – it was a conditional thing.

                Risk of staff quitting is not a hardship by any stretch.

              3. Honeybee*

                I can’t see quitting a good job I like with a good salary and benefits because I’m not allowed to bring my dog to work – especially since dog-friendly workplaces are far from the norm. Perhaps in some industries it would be easy to find another local workplace that would allow you to bring your dog every day, but I would imagine that’s not the case in most industries. I highly doubt that anywhere near 25% of the staff are even going to be able to quit and go somewhere else, much less do it.

      4. Elizabeth West*

        Gah, this chaps my behind. It’s a PERK and an unnecessary one at that. It’s not the OP’s fault the policy is unsustainable, and we have already gone through a ton of reasons for why that is.

      5. Honeybee*

        Is it s “reasonable” accommodation for every employee to change something they’ve been doing for one new person? For example, if a new employee was allergic to peanuts, does the entire company need to go peanut-free? At what point does one person’s accommodation become unreasonable when it affects everyone else?

        Yes! Peanut allergies can cause people to die. I find it a small inconvenience not to be able to eat peanut butter sandwiches at work so that my coworkers can continue to live another day.

        Anyone who gives OP a hard time if this perk is taken away is, quite frankly, an asshole. And I have a dog who I would love to be able to bring to work with me (sometimes); I love dogs. But people are more important. It’s not her fault that she has a serious allergy to dogs, and it’s not her fault that the company didn’t tell her ahead of time that the office is dog-friendly. But she’s there now; firing her would be discriminatory (would you want to be “replaced” because you have a medical condition that you can’t help?).

    11. Marie*

      Well that makes sense. I mean, bringing your dog to work is fun, while your coworker’s ability to breathe isn’t really that important.

    12. Honeybee*

      I might initially be a bit upset in an inward kind of way – like “aw man, I’m gonna miss this perk.” But she has allergies; she can’t breathe properly when dogs are around, and as someone with allergies and asthma myself I know how miserable that is. Not only would I stop bringing my dog to work if that would be helpful, I’d join the petition to help find better accommodations for her (like a dog-free floor, and volunteer to work there). I love my “precious”, but people are more important.

    13. Patty*

      It was so good to read all these responses.
      I too have severe pet allergies, my situation is a cabin with multiple families that always had a no dog rule until a new family joined, they will not keep their pets out and I cannot go to the cabin anymore.
      The new family is aware of the rule and my allergies and the allergies of people in my family too, they said they clean it up and it’s not hurting anything and their pets have to be in the cabin because they must be around people at all times.
      It is so disappointing when people’s pets are more important than your health .
      If I went to someone’s home and I couldn’t handle it because of their pets i would respect that and not visit and remain good friends.
      Anyway all these remarks were so helpful thank you

  2. Lucky*

    How about rearranging the office so the dogs are all on one side of the office, and giving this employee a private office? I get that dog owners love their dogs and see being able to bring their dogs as a benefit, but (go ahead and slam me for this, dog lovers) people are more important than dogs, especially people who are in your place of business to work. So, if rearranging the office inconveniences anyone, it should be the people who are bringing their dogs in, not the person who is having health problems due to the dogs.

    1. Kelly L.*

      They were all told they could, though. This is on the company for utterly terrible communication.

      1. Ask a Manager* Post author

        The thing is, though, that if they’d told the OP at the offer stage (or earlier), she still would be entitled to the same accommodations, which could possibly include ending the dogs in the office. The ADA requires them to accommodate her, and not to decide not to hire her because she’d need the accommodation.

        I totally agree that the company handled this horribly, of course. If they’d told the OP before she accepted the job, she might have decided that even though she was entitled to accommodation, she didn’t want it. But legally they couldn’t have made that decision for her.

        1. Kelly L.*

          Good point! I wasn’t even thinking about the ADA aspect at that moment, but I think you’re right.

        2. BRR*

          I’m rather curious about a follow up on this one. I can’t imagine being the person who requested the accommodation. While reasonable, there are going to be some people who won’t take it well even though this is totally not the OP’s fault.

          Also curious about a follow up since the OP mentioned all employers in their field seem to be dog friendly.

        3. Hold on one second*

          ADA requires them to REASONABLY accommodate her, not unconditionally, please keep that in mind. An argument can be made that the business can’t keep or attract top talent without this policy, or will lose it’s current talent and not be able to replace it if they rescind the policy, which probably wouldn’t be reasonable. Plus, maybe they had 5 service dogs there already so they decided to go ahead and let the other 3 people bring their dogs in too, (unlikely but possible) so even if they changed the policy it wouldn’t matter because there would still be 5 dogs there.

          1. Ask a Manager* Post author

            “Undue hardship” has a specific legal meaning that relates to the financial costs of implementing an accommodation; it’s not about whether it would change your office culture. After all, a company might argue that it would lose top employees if it had to promote women/hire gay people/hire people over 40 if a major tenet of its culture was machoism/youth culture/whatever. But federal law (in this case the EEOC) would still require them to make that change.

            1. LBK*

              I misread “machoism” as “masochism” at first and was extremely confused about why that would only appeal to people under 40 (or would appeal to anyone, for that matter).

              1. Joline*

                Me too. And actually didn’t register it didn’t say that until I read your comment.

          2. Green*

            Yeah, they’re going to have a hard time arguing the “can’t keep or attract top talent without this policy” is undue hardship…

        4. Not So NewReader*

          Would accommodation still be necessary if the company had said in its employment ad, “we are a dog friendly office” or something to that effect?

          In other words, if a person with serious allergy knew before applying that the place let people bring their dogs to work, where would ADA stand on that?

    2. Michelle*

      ” Giving this employee a private office” was what I was thinking, too, if it’s possible. But if other coworkers have to come in her office, wouldn’t they bring pet dander/allergens in with them?

      I’m scared of big dogs (attacked by one as a child), so an office full of dogs would be a deal-breaker for me. I get it helps employee morale, but I’m thinking a) how can you care for your dog while working? They will need to be walked or taken out to use the potty, fed, etc, b) how do you keep them from fighting/being aggressive with each other and c) how can you make sure all the pets are up-to-date with shots and not spread dog/pet illnesses?

      1. Calla*

        I work in a dog-friendly office right now. Dog-friendly offices almost always require an application/screening process first, which means dogs that display aggressive behavior or are not current with their vet are not approved to bring in. That doesn’t guarantee no behavioral problems happen, but usually these policies include the manager’s right to ask poorly-behaved dogs to leave/not come back. As for taking care of them: you leave a bowl of food and water out and take a few minutes every couple hours to take them out, walk them during lunch, etc.

        One of my coworkers brings in her dogs nearly every day–they are actually certified therapy dogs, so very well behaved and quiet, and she pops out a few times aside from lunch to let them go to the bathroom.

      2. MicheleNYC*

        I worked in an office for a number of years where I brought my dog almost everyday. I would leave him babygated in my cube or in my office when I needed to go talk to someone. He was usually sleeping anyway!

      3. Victoria Nonprofit (USA)*

        While I’d love to have dogs in the office, I’m on the side of folks who need/want to avoid them. But some of the objections do seem a little over the top. Dogs don’t need to be cared for constantly – that’s why they usually just stay at home when people come to work.

      4. AAA*

        a) Dogs aren’t like children. My dog sleeps a lot of the day. Most dogs do. They’re crepuscular, meaning most active at dawn and dusk. On days I work from home my dog isn’t really demanding too much attention or care. He goes out for walks/potty breaks in the morning before I begin work and in the evening after I’m done.
        b) & c) This is down to responsible dog ownership. If your dog the type to get really active/agressive, that’s not a good candidate for a dog-friendly office. Likewise with the shots–make sure they’re up to date, and don’t bring your dog to work sick!

        1. INTP*

          For b and c, based on what I see in public, people cannot be trusted to leave their badly behaved dogs at home. Maybe it’s Southern California but any dog-friendly location always has a lot of barking and snarling and near fights. You would have to either have some sort of objective screening process, tolerate the badly behaved ones, or deal with animosity when people are told that their precious snowflakes are too disruptive and not welcome in the office.

          1. BRR*

            I never get when people continually bring their dogs to dog friendly places when their dog doesn’t like other dogs. I used to live near an awesome dog park on a lake and people did this all the time because the park was awesome.

            I think doing a temperament test like at a doggie day care would be easy to solve the behavior issues. It unfortunately doesn’t’ account for people who don’t like dogs or who are allergic.

            1. INTP*

              I used to live in a trendy-ish, very urban area and our farmer’s market was initially dog friendly. It became hell because it was extremely crowded with tourists on top of the locals. People were tripping over leashes when a dog charged after another dog and it was too crowded to even see what was going on. Children were getting frightened by the dogs fighting with each other and larger dogs being face-level with them. (Since it was so crowded, you might not know the dog was close to you, then someone steps out of the way and BAM.) I was getting grossed out because as a short person, I was face-level with the small dogs people carried on their shoulders because it was literally so crowded they might get trampled on the ground. Dogs were sniffing the foods and sticking their heads in people’s shopping bags. It was a safety issue, not to mention disgusting. Not a single dog looked like it was having fun.

              Yet when the farmer’s market decided to actually start following the health code and prohibit dogs, people were PISSED. There was a very long thread on the neighborhood blog about how the farmer’s market was intentionally trying to keep locals out of the market because many locals are dog owners. (And apparently dog owners are not capable of leaving their dogs for an hour to buy some vegetables – and the farmer’s market decided the tourists that show up to not buy anything and just take pictures like they’ve never seen a lavender goat cheese popsicle before were more lucrative than the locals who buy their groceries there.)

              TL;DR, stuff like this doesn’t even surprise me anymore. There are loads of dog owners who are nuts and codependent – they don’t care whether their dog has a good time, let alone whether other people are inconvenienced, they just don’t want to be separated from their dog during the day.

              1. BRR*

                As a dog owner I think we just wish we could bring them with a little more. My dog is home alone a lot and while I know he’s fine I also know he would appreciate going to new places. That’s why when we can bring a dog somewhere, it creates ire when that’s taken away.

                At least mine gets a good walk three times a day. I feel terrible for two different neighbors’ dogs who only get taken out, pee, then right back inside.

                That being said, I have no issue keeping him away from a farmer’s market due to the food. Also people who give their dog too much leash at a venue like this.

              2. Joline*

                I think the farmer’s markets here (Edmonton) the rule is that dogs can’t come to the indoor ones but can come to the outdoor ones. The outdoor ones tend to take place on things like streets that get closed for it and then since it’s a public roadway they can’t prevent people from going through with their dogs (since people could theoretically live there or it’s on their route to their home). They do highly recommend leaving dogs at home, though, for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

            2. Ezri*

              I don’t get it either – isn’t it really insensitive to the dog’s personality? I have a cat who is very stressed out by people other than me and my husband. She gets nervous and miserable and sheds everywhere. If I have guests over I’m not going to drag her out from under the bed and plonk her down in the middle of everyone for my amusement. Just like people, some critters do not care for forced socialization.

              1. Katie the Fed*

                I love my dog to bits. But she has serious boundary issues – she is 65 pounds and thinks she’s a lap dog. She squeezes between my husband and me to sleep once we fall asleep at night. When she meets a stranger, she flops over immediately to get a belly rub, and then neurotically tries to lick their face. If she gets too excited, she’ll hump them.

                She’s a great dog, but she’s kind of a bad dog. So I don’t put her in situations where she’s going to get overstimulated – it’s not good. And not everybody likes a pit bull jumping at their face to give a kiss.

                1. Sospeso*

                  Haha. Same boat. She sounds like a sweetie, but also like the tragedy of her life is not getting to say hi/get delightful belly rubs from every human she meets.

            3. Honeybee*

              God, I always wondered the same thing. I go to the dog park and there are frequently people who have brought dogs who don’t like other dogs. Why bring a dog aggressive dog to a dog park? He’s just going to be stressed and unhappy, poor thing.

      5. Green*

        Yeah, the difference is that fear-of-dogs is not likely to be covered by ADA unless it is very severe.

      6. Jake*

        It would take less time throughout the day to take care of my dog than most smokers take for their smoke breaks.

        Not ragging on smokers, just giving a comparison.

        2. Ad Astra*

          Yep, my dog doesn’t need to use the restroom any more often than I do. And he’s a pretty low-energy breed, so a proper walk isn’t even absolutely necessary each day.

    3. JoJo*

      That won’t make any difference. Dander floats in the air, and the dogs will go where they can on their own anyway.

      I’m sorry, I don’t think animals belong in an office and I like dogs.

      The LW should make discrete inquires to the building management about the legality of keeping dogs in the office. I doubt they’re thrilled at the prospect of rugs full of dog wiz and it’s a lawsuit waiting to happen if one of those dogs bits someone or a visitor has a severe allergic reaction.

      1. INTP*

        That is a great idea. She should point out how many dogs there are, that it’s not just a therapy dog or two.

      2. Kyrielle*

        Re dander – and the HVAC system will spread it into the office. With the filters also mentioned, and *especially* with upgraded filters on the HVAC system also, the private office (and closing the door or in some way physically preventing dogs from walking in) might work, though.

        1. Ezri*

          Yeah… I have three long-haired cats in a fairly spacious townhouse. If someone with life-threatening cat allergies even walks in, they would probably die. I spend some time every day vacuuming or sweeping or lint-rolling furniture, and it doesn’t really do much good. I’m sure I have cat fuzz on my clothes when I leave. Separate rooms and closed doors may not help as much as you’d think.

    4. The Cosmic Avenger*

      And either the OP is near the entrance, in which case all the dogs have to go past her office, or the OP is at the end of the hall, in which case she has to walk through the dander-y area. There would need to be a separate floor, or a separate entrance and separate hallway, at least, for this to really work.

      Those solutions are pretty expensive, so how will this impact the company as a whole? I’m not insensitive to the OP’s problem, but if the fact is that it will cost the company $100K to make this accommodation, that might mean that everyone has to take a 5% pay cut or they have to fire two people. The company leadership should have planned for this, because it would probably be less expensive or no additional cost to set this up when building out the offices, but unfortunately that’s not the case now. (Every office move-in I’ve been involved in has included building out what was basically completely empty floors to the new lessee’s specifications.)

      1. Green*

        They could make a good argument that those accommodations are undue hardship and they wouldn’t have to do them. It’s hard to make that argument about dogs-in-office policy.

        1. The Cosmic Avenger*

          Yeah, I know that prohibiting dogs going forward is probably the best solution, but unfortunately the OP would probably become an office pariah unless management handled it just right, and the fact that they weren’t ready for this doesn’t make me feel as if they would handle it well enough.

          1. Michelle*

            I agree. With them having “negative” feeling about OP working from home 1 days a week, coworkers would probably lost it if they couldn’t bring their dogs. And, honestly, being the office pariah isn’t fun. Hard to love work when everyone hates you.

            Hard situation. I really feel for the OP.

          2. Elizabeth West*

            Yes, and her coworkers are jerks if they blame her. This policy is unsustainable in the long-term, especially since the company doesn’t seem to have considered all the possible problems with it.

  3. NickelandDime*

    You didn’t notice your allergies flaring up during the interviews, or did they take place at a different location? My husband and son would have immediately started to feel the effects of the dog hair (they are highly allergic to it). This is really unfortunate. I think the company needs to make this right with the OP – this should have been mentioned at some point before an offer was made! I hope they don’t take away the perk from employees that do enjoy it.

    1. Mike B.*

      Yeah, I’m confused about that part. If being on-site is a critical part of the job, it’s strange that the hiring process did not mandate a visit by the OP. Did it involve relocation?

      And in what kind of industry are dog-friendly offices the norm?

  4. CrazyCatLady*

    I feel for you because I have pretty bad dog allergies too (not as bad as you, though) and ended up in TWO jobs with office dogs. Luckily, neither of them seemed to bother me much for some reason.

    Would an air purifier with a HEPA filter help? Or Allerpet-D for the dogs? Or something like this: http://wearascough.com? It would draw less attention to you than wearing a mask.

    1. Ihmmy*

      seconding trying air purifiers/filters. I’d suggest at least two – one for by the door and one near air vent(s), since dog fur will get collected by any air system and blown throughout the office.

      Can the cleaners come by more often at all? Or if you had a little hand vac to grab any fur bunnies in the corners quick would that help? Purchasing supplies like that is totally reasonable for the employer to try and meet concerns.

      1. CrazyCatLady*

        Or even a vacuum cleaner with a HEPA filter for your own office to vacuum it daily. It doesn’t eliminate the dander in the hallways or other people’s offices but may help for when you’re in your own office at least.

    2. T3k*

      I’m curious, would a filter even help with her severe allergies? It almost sounds like it’s so bad, if she simply comes into contact with someone who owns a dog that sheds like crazy, she’ll still have a reaction.

      1. CrazyCatLady*

        I don’t know, but it’s worth a shot I think. It seems like on medication, she is sneezy/watery eyes but not wheezing unless she’s not on medication. Adding the air filter and other measures may help.

      2. GOG11*

        My asthma is triggered by smoke and fragrances, and one of the two (can’t recall which) is comprised of very, very, very small particles. If the OP’s problem is more with inhalation of dander than with getting it in her eyes or on her skin, a mask may make a difference. They can impact her ability to communicate, though, as they are more intense (for lack of a better word) than the masks you see at the doctor’s office or that you’d use with your sander at home. If the role isn’t customer facing, that might not be too much of an issue, though.

        1. GOG11*

          Ugh, I’m thinking in half-thoughts today. My point about smoke and fragrances is that the particles of one of the two are about as small as you can get and they still make masks that can filter them out. Also, I read “filter” as “mask.” The other kind was highly recommended to me as well, though I never got to try one out (work didn’t provide one and I couldn’t afford one).

        2. KerryOwl*

          Since you can see smoke but can’t really see fragrance, I’m guessing it’s the fragrance that has smaller particle size.

        3. Kas*

          I am required to wear a mask to protect me from inhaling animal allergens when I am doing certain tasks at work. We all do, it’s a safety rule. As well as making talking difficult, it’s hot, it’s uncomfortable, the straps get tangled in my hair, and the mask interferes with the fit of my glasses. (I am trying to get the H&S people to get us some different types to trial instead but no luck so far.) I honestly do not think this would be a reasonable full-time accommodation for someone with allergies.

      3. jmkenrick*

        No, it won’t. My boyfriend has a severe cat allergy and honestly, even with shots and treatment, it’s still bad enough that it would disrupt his ability to do work.

        Now, of course, I’m picturing a cat-friendly office.

        1. Ann*

          I used to work at a garden center where we had 2 office cats inside and a little family of feral cats that lived under the garden shed.

    3. Another Day*

      Id recommend trying this. I’ve got asthma and am allergic to dogs but took in my dad’s dog when he downsized to an apartment. I got a HEPA air filter unit and it made an enormous difference. I was already on medication so that helped too, as did keeping some areas dog-free. But it dends on the severity of your allergy.

    4. Lizabeth*

      The air purifiers with HEPA filters work great :))))

      The place should be vaccumed with equipment that has HEPA filters that are changed regularly. If they aren’t using ones with HEPA filters, all the cleaning people are doing is blowing the dander around. My allergist said even after someone gets rid of the pet, the dander will stick around for up to two years or so…

      Another suggestion: get rid of the carpeting and put either wood or tile down and change all the chairs to non-fabric – vinyl or leather. Something that doesn’t “hold” dander…

      1. Lizabeth*

        One more thought: consider allergy shots. It takes time to build up resistance but it’s worth it if your allergies are that bad.

  5. HeyNonnyNonny*

    Even working from home one day a week has been a stretch and caused some negative feelings on my team, even though they hear me sneezing every 20 minutes when I’m there!

    OP, I’d also talk to your manager about how to address these feelings with your coworkers…if you’re already getting side-eye for a minor accommodation, it might get worse if you look for even more, and that’s not fair to you at all!

    1. NickelandDime*

      I’m just getting bad vibes about this company all around. I don’t feel good about these people at all.

      And her coworkers clearly know she’s allergic at this point and that’s why she’s working from home.

      1. Jwal*

        Even if it was reasonable, I think I’d still feel put out if I was OP’s coworker. If it’s making it harder for me to get my job done because someone’s ill or had a baby then even though I know it’s reasonable it’s still really annoying.

        If they’re actually saying anything to her about it then I agree that’s bad form on their part though.

        1. NickelandDime*

          Even if you knew she didn’t know the situation coming in? That’s kind of cold…

          1. EarlGrey*

            hmm, I think it’s human nature to feel put out! Acting on that feeling, or letting it spill over into outward resentment, that would be a problem.

            1. Ezri*

              This is an important distinction to make. Being disappointed at losing a perk or stressed about having to deal with a complication in your normal routine, that’s perfectly normal. But part of being a grown-up is accepting that these things happen and that it’s not okay to ostracize a coworker for having to request a medical accommodation.

              1. S*

                I think that’s the distinction to make that a lot of commenters here aren’t getting. Disappointment and/or stress over losing this perk isn’t uncommon or surprising and people are allowed to feel that way. It doesn’t make them a horrible person and some of the comments here are painting very unflattering pictures of people who may feel that way. But they absolutely should not act out or retaliate against the OP for her medical condition.

                1. cardiganed librarian*

                  I think there is also a difference between people who care deeply what their co-workers feel about them, and those who only care that they not be negatively affected by those feelings. I just landed in a position where two co-workers deeply resent me being here. They have been nothing but pleasant and helpful to me but I can’t help but notice that they do refer to their money problems and to needing a full-time job, which they don’t have because I was hired over their heads. This bothers me immensely, but some of my friends are baffled that it bothers me so much to be around people who hide their resentment so well.

                  If the OP would likewise be uncomfortable eating lunch with people, knowing that they think of her as the lovely co-worker whose very valid medical needs resulted in them having to give up a valued perk, that’s something for her to consider.

        2. Green*

          If you’re acting like you’re excluding, alienating or being rude to the co-worker though you’re likely engaging in prohibited retaliation (either via workplace policy or ADA). That’s harder to enforce though.

        3. Sheepla*

          I’m not saying what I would be feeling was right but I would be very PO’d if a coworker ruined what I considered one of my best job perks. Yes, I know it is not OP’s fault. Yes, I know OP’s health is more important than me bringing my dog to work. I am just stating how I would feel towards the OP (I hope I’d manage to keep those feelings hidden though).

            1. Usually lurking*

              How so? Even as a coworker? I didn’t know the ADA requires anything of fellow employees w/r/t their feelings.

              1. Ask a Manager* Post author

                You can feel however you want, but the law would require the employer to ensure you behaved in a way that wasn’t retaliatory. So you can secretly seethe, but you need to keep that hidden, as Green says.

                1. Usually lurking*

                  Interesting. I always assumed retaliation only related to the employer’s actions (such as firing, demoting, etc), not those of fellow employees.

                2. Ask a Manager* Post author

                  It’s probably more intuitive if you think of it like this: The employer has a responsibility to ensure that the employee doesn’t face retaliation at work. So that includes coworkers as well as management.

                3. Green*

                  Other employees are “agents” of the employer. That’s why the employer has a responsibility to make sure they don’t run around sexually harassing folks or making racist jokes or retaliating against people. So, while you don’t individually (necessarily) have a legal responsibility, you do as an *employee* and your employer does and can hold you accountable or fire you for causing them legal problems.

      2. EarlGrey*

        I think a lot of folks hear “dog allergies” and think “a little sneezing/itching, take a pill and it’s okay,” not “outright misery & genuine danger,” which would really increase their resentment (“what, everyone loses this benefit because one person’s sneezing?”). I don’t know where OP would fall on wanting the allergy to be taken seriously vs. not divulging medical information, but agreed that the managers should be addressing the bad vibes and making it clear that this isn’t a weakness or special treatment on OP’s part.

        1. Not the Droid You are Looking For*

          This. I think most people hear allergies and think, “oh pop a claritin.”

          I wonder if the OP would feel comfortable explaining the level of allergies? And all the work she has but in to make this situation work?

        2. INTP*

          I agree. They think it’s minor discomfort. They aren’t thinking about you having asthma attacks, getting colds and infections all the time due to constant irritation of your respiratory tract, underlying autoimmune conditions being triggered or worsened due to the constant immune activity, allergies that worsen with exposure (so that someone that can, say, tolerate one dog for a few hours to attend a social function can’t do that anymore), migraines, etc.

  6. Green*

    I feel like this is similar to the office baby thread (except dogs don’t necessarily need a “sitter” when you go to a meeting). It would be cool in an animal-related organization (like babies in a child-related organization) because then at least there’s “fair notice” to all applicants, etc. But ultimately my desire to have my dogs snuggling with me (and the other LW’s desire to have her baby in the office) should give way to business concerns. I’m a little eyebrows-up though that LW here says that other jobs in her industry all have dog-friendly offices. It’s really not that common…

    1. Creag an Tuire*

      I’m guessing “tech/programming”, since a lot of tech companies have that perk — it’s part of their Google-imitating Cool Bros Who Will Be Millionaires by 35 mythos.

      My wife works for a dog-friendly tech company, though in fairness their canine “employees” are featured prominently on the company website.

      1. Not the Droid You are Looking For*

        I was thinking start-up/tech as well.

        Also, I live in a city where this is pretty common and often an advertised perk!

      2. Matt F*

        That’s what I thought too. It sounds like a dot bomb gimmick like no dress code and nerf battles that distract the employees from the long hours and lousy pay for the vague promise of an IPO lottery ticket.

        1. Jessa*

          Yes, the more perks they pile on (gym, laundry, showers,) the more they expect you to practically live in the building. “But I want to go out to a movie,” gets responded to with “Okay we’ll bring in movies,” because really work/life balance, what the heck is that.

          1. Creag an Tuire*

            Fridge thought: Maybe the reason tech companies are so notorious for this kind of crap (not just dogs, but general sex/race issues and overall frat house attitude) is because it’s harder to prove discrimination/retaliation. If I say “Jane was let go because her code wasn’t elegant enough for company standards”, how do you go about disproving that to a judge and jury who wouldn’t know a jira from a GUI?

    2. JC*

      I’m not pro having babies in the office by any stretch, but no one out there is deathly allergic to babies. (And if someone is, well, there’s an evolutionary problem right there.)

      1. Green*

        There’s a difference between an ADA-covered situation, certainly, but the baby thread brought it’s own bundle of WTF impositions beyond loud noise (including the need for coworkers to serve as interim sitters while mom is in a meeting, vaccinations, etc.)

  7. The IT Manager*

    I’m sorry, but I think you’re screwed unless a reasonable accommodation can be found that doesn’t involve removing dogs from the office because I think you probably end up the bad/terrible/evil dog-hating guy if that that happens.

    Keep looking for work in a dog-free place. And good luck.

  8. Noah*

    Would air filters help at all? I know they significantly reduced dust when I purchased two for my apartment, but I’m not allergic to animals so I’m not sure if they would help with that or not. Maybe a combo of a private office and air filters.

  9. MR*

    I’m confused as to how the OP had no idea they were a dog-friendly company until she showed up to work on the first day.

    Were no interviews conducted on site? Nothing in any paperwork mentioned how dog-friendly the company was? Nothing on their website or other online sources mentioned this? Other companies in this industry apparently operate in a similar fashion, yet this also went unnoticed until after starting work at this company?

    While I feel for the OP, if I had this severe of an allergy, I’d at least ask about the possibility of this happening during the interview process.

    1. Apollo Warbucks*

      I’ve never known an office to be dog friendly, I love the idea but it would never occur to be to ask as it is so far outside what is typical of anywhere I’ve ever worked previously.

      1. MR*

        I don’t have any known allergens, so admittedly, I have very little experience with this.

        But I would think that if it were something this severe, I’d at least check into the possibility of it happening. After all, what if there is a groomer that shares the building?

        The OP didn’t mention anything about moving to a new town to take this job, so I presume it’s in the same city. My larger question and confusion is around how the OP never seemed to set foot in the office until the first day of work.

        1. JB (not in Houston)*

          I’m very allergic to cats (though pretty well immune to my own). It would never occur to me to ask a potential employer if they have an office cat, and I wouldn’t need to worry about a groomer that shares the building.

          1. Suz*

            Except that the OP said all the employers in her field have dog friendly offices. If it’s so common in that industry, I don’t see why the OP wouldn’t have asked about.

      2. K*

        Ditto. Would it really occur to you to ask about it up front?

        I once got a (weekend, temporary) job that was in a ex-barn with no temperature control. By the time the last day in November arrived, I had to wear long underwear and my down coat all day. It never occurred to me to ask if the building was heated. My first day the boss also mentioned “At least you have bathrooms here. The other location only has porta-potties.”

      3. Elizabeth West*

        Yeah, I wouldn’t have thought to ask either. And my first interview here, with my boss was a phone interview, because she’s in another state. The second, with my team members, was onsite, but if I didn’t see any dogs and the company didn’t mention it on the main website, I wouldn’t think to ask. There may be other offices (we have many in many areas) that do allow dogs. But without it being specifically stated up front, it never would have crossed my mind. Most offices don’t do this.

    2. CrazyCatLady*

      I don’t know – I never would have thought to ask about dogs being present in the workplace until it happened because I’d never heard of it being a thing. I’m highly allergic to peanuts, and I would never ask if people eat peanuts in the office (granted, it’s not airborne, but still, people eat peanut butter, touch things that I later touch, etc.). I don’t think the responsibility falls on the employee to ask about this.

    3. Calla*

      Yeah, it’s really shocking to me there’s no way this came up before! If there were really no hints, that is definitely a major fault of the company.

      1. Green*

        Most people’s allergies to pets can be controlled with medication or result in only mild discomfort (instead of significantly impacting a major life function – i.e., breathing), so they wouldn’t be entitled to an accommodation. Even if there were hints, someone who has an ADA protected condition has no obligation to opt out of the job.

      1. Not the Droid You are Looking For*

        That’s my thought. But I live in a city where many of the stores/restaurant advertise that they are dog-friendly. People here bring their dogs *everywhere.*

    6. Judy*

      I’ve never had an interview that I didn’t get walked through the office area. “Here’s where the team sits…”

        1. Not the Droid You are Looking For*

          I’m about 50/50. Especially as technology like Skype and Google Hangouts make distance interviews so much easier.

        2. TheLazyB (UK)*

          Me neither. My current job, the interview was a three hour train journey away from my office.

          1. Jessa*

            I got a job where I didn’t even meet the owner/boss til the morning after my first shift. My husband was working on a temporary project for them and he mentioned I’d be good to work there, and I got called and asked to come in at like 10pm. I worked with one of the women there who’d been forever, and she was training me. 8am the next morning the boss came in and I was “hey I’m Jessa, nice to meet you.” He asked the other woman if I was any good, she said yes and boom. I worked there for over 7 years.

      2. Kyrielle*

        I have, though it was on-site in a conference room, but I wasn’t in any actual office spaces.

    7. Paige Turner*

      I got my current job through two phone interviews only, but that was basically because I’m a contractor working out of a federal building, and not at my company’s main office. I was kind of surprised that the OP didn’t interview on site or mention something about the interview process in the letter, but I could think of some reasons why it could have happened like that. It’s too late now, regardless.

    8. Sheepla*

      It’s especially confusing since OP said every company in that field is dog friendly. How was this not known in general (even if not specific to this company) before?

    9. INFJ*

      When I interviewed for my current job, it was in a completely separate floor that was specifically designated for interviews/welcoming/orientation/training. I never saw my future work area or any other. I would never have known if such a perk existed.

      Also, I didn’t find out until after I started that there is a rather flexible work from home perk. This also never came up in interviews, and I talked with several people. (Maybe they wanted to make sure I wanted the job without the perk?) So, again, I don’t think it’s that unreasonable to not know every aspect of the job going in.

  10. Carrie in Scotland*

    I think….that the employer at some point during the hiring process should have mentioned the dogs.

    2. Jwal*

      This is the thing that confused me most. I would’ve thought that if there’s something that’s “not the norm” about the way a firm works then surely it would get advised by the firm at some point.

      That said, I can’t imagine having an office with pets (fwiw I’m in the UK so it seems less common than in the US anway) so maybe that’s clouding my judgement.

    3. Green*

      If they did, should OP have opted out even though she was legally entitled to accommodation? What if OP didn’t have other job offers?

      1. Not the Droid You are Looking For*

        I don’t think that’s what people are saying.

        I think it’s just more that companies have a responsibility to give a potential candidate the full picture.

      2. Kelly L.*

        There’s no “should.” It was one option; taking the job and asking for accommodation was another option. The employer limited her options.

        1. Tau*

          Also, if she’d known about the dogs and decided to take the position anyway, she’d have been able to start negotiating and organising accommodations before she started and, most likely, been in a much stronger position to do so. Having that kind of thing sprung on you as a surprise on the first day must be the worst – I’m so sorry, OP. :(

    4. SG*

      Agree but……if all the organizations in the industry and dog friendly and you’re allergic to dogs, sounds like a good interview question….

      1. Green*

        Allison has repeatedly wisely advised not to bring up the need for an accommodation until after you’ve received an offer (because it’s hard to prove you’ve been rejected due to your legally protected condition). But, yes, before starting would be a good time to talk about foreseeable accommodations.

  11. Meredith*

    I’m so sorry this is happening! I love dogs, but I know a lot of people can’t be around them for a variety of reasons. The importance of health of all employees far outstrips the perk of bringing a pet into work. If this company is committed to offering this perk, they should also be committed to offering pet-free spaces for their employees who are allergic or do not like to be around dogs. Or ban pets in the office (service animals excepted, of course). The OP may be their first ever employee with severe allergies, but the company can’t think that he or she would be the last person they hire who can’t work around animals for whatever reason. If they don’t deal with this in a satisfactory way now, they’ll have to figure out a solution in the future.

    Also, I am very dismayed that the pet-friendly office wasn’t mentioned in the hiring process! :(

    1. EarlGrey*

      I can’t imagine the OP is the only one who doesn’t want dogs around (maybe the only one who NEEDS dogs to not be around)! I bet there are a few others at least who don’t want to be the office buzzkill.

      1. Blossom*

        I agree. I have no allergies but am uncomfortable around dogs and cannot imagine working in such an environment (this is just not a thing in my country, so perhaps that’s part of why it feels so unreasonable to me; I get that it’s more normal in other places). The company will be attracting some workers by allowing dogs, but who knows how many more it is putting off? Or how many of their employees would be secretly relieved to see the back of the dogs?

  12. Allison*

    I love dogs! But I’m also allergic. Just being in a house with 2-3 dogs around can make me feel miserable after a few hours, working in an office full of them would make me feel lousy every day without proper medication. I did find ClearQuil to be effective last week, but that may not be strong enough for everyone.

    Pet-friendly offices really need to advertise that aspect to potential employees, so pet lovers know they should apply and people who are allergic or don’t like animals know not to bother.

    How do people focus with animals around, anyway? Seems awfully distracting.

    1. KJones*

      Dogs sleep A LOT – like 12-18 hours/day. The last time I worked from home, I was disappointed in my dogs’ reactions – they just slept through my presence.

      1. Nora Charles*

        Also, a well-socialized dog can pick up humans’ social cues very easily. They know that there is play time and work time. A well-trained dog will not bother you during work time unless it’s urgent.

        1. LBK*

          If only cats were the same. Mine is convinced that my “work from home” day is actually my “8 hours of kitty neck scratches” day.

          1. Jessa*

            Yes. I worked from home for a call centre as Senior Support. One day I didn’t realise the cat got into my office at home (sneaky critter,) and one of my customers was like “Is that a cat?” Mind we were never ever to let a customer have the slightest clue we weren’t in an office. Luckily it was September or so, and we were adverting Hallowe’en decorations, so I was “No, the warehouse sent over one of those makes noises when people are around things, and I guess someone turned it on. You can find it on page 26 of the catalogue.” I managed not to get dinged on my quality when they listened to the call. But from then out I checked about her being in the room.

      2. Allison*

        I worked from home a couple times while still living with my parents, and the older dog was pretty chill, but the younger dog demanded to be let in and out of the house roughly every 20 minutes. If I ignored him, he yelped, whined, and barked. Not fun. But I’m guessing “pet friendly” office still prefer that people leave their barky, high-maintenance pups at home.

    2. T3k*

      Older dogs tend to lay around. If I’m home for the day, mine will just lay near me, occasionally rolling over for a belly rub, or go drink from her bowl. Now, when she was a puppy on the other hand, oh boy, she was jumping all over the place.

    3. Bekx*

      We had an office dog at old job. She would usually walk around the building in the morning to say hello to us (she was part husky and was a bit vocal). Then she’d go into her owner’s office and sleep for the majority of the day. She’d go for a walk with him at lunch, and then at 5 she’d walk back around and say goodbye to all of us. She was about 3 or 4, so not too young or old.

        1. Bekx*

          It was so cute! She’d make a soft awwwoooooahhh noise, let you pet her, and then walk off to the next person. We had to stay until 6:30 but for some reason the dog owner got to leave at 5…so we always knew when it was close to 5 by when you heard her coming and awwoooooooahhhing at us. If he was staying late for some reason, she’d get super impatient and just stand in his doorway with a “COME ON DAD!!” look

          1. Sammie*

            I worked with a guy who had a service dog (German Shepard). After he let her off duty—she would come around and greet all of us. It was adorable!

            1. Biff*

              Dogs will do this at home too from time to time. Especially if you have a full house. They are very social critters!

      2. Laurel Gray*

        I swear I had a human coworker like this only he went to sleep in a shared office with no window.

      3. AvonLady Barksdale*

        I love this!!! My buddy is almost 5 and generally pretty lazy. He comes in all excited to see his friends (my co-workers!)– he goes to each of them for his rubs, then he inspects the premises, then I give him a toy and he pounces on it. He generally settles down and either sleeps or sits by the front windows for the rest of the day. Sometimes he follows my boss around because he LOVES my boss. During lunchtime, he sits at my boss’s desk and tries to look super cute and sad so he’ll get some chicken. Then out for his stroll, then back to sleeping and watching the window until it’s time to go home. With breaks for belly rubs.

    4. LJL*

      I work from home and I find that my dog is much less distracting than I thought she’d be. She tends to just take naps, sometimes at my feet, but not always. My cat was much worse.

  13. Chrissi*

    OP – believe your doctor when they say it can get even worse! My brother is allergic to cats and dogs and didn’t know it (or didn’t want to know it) and owned 2 cats and 2 dogs. They used the air purifiers and everything, but it kept getting worse. It eventually turned into asthma and his doctor said that if he continues to insist on being around the dogs and cats for the rest of his life it may eventually turn into emphysema. And he just had regular allergies to start with. He’s trying the allergy shots and they can make a huge difference in a very small amount of time. They take 2 years I think, but your symptoms can start to alleviate within weeks.

    1. Shortie*

      OP, my story is purely anecdotal, of course, but I must echo Chrissi’s comments. I am allergic to cats and it got worse and worse until I developed asthma (I have a cat because I have no sense, ha!). I started on allergy shots and had major relief within a couple of months. Have had no asthma attacks since and my eyes don’t even water anymore. It actually wasn’t as bad as it sounds. I went 2-3 times a week for 6 months, which I was absolutely dreading, but then I fell into a routine and it was over before I knew it. Then we tapered to once a week, then every 2 weeks, and now I go once every 3 weeks for long-term maintenance. It has changed my life in such a positive way.

      This really may be a viable solution, especially if you think it will be difficult to find a non-dog-friendly workplace.

      1. JB (not in Houston)*

        I’ve been doing allergy shots for five years, and it took my cat allergy to wanting someone to shoot me within five minutes of being around one to being able to tolerate being in the same house as one for maybe an hour. It is definitely better, but I still couldn’t be around one all day. Sometimes shots only make allergies not as awful as they used to be. Which is still good! And the OP should definitely look into it. But it may not solve her problem.

      2. Kyrielle*

        Also, bear in mind that the OP’s allergies are severe to the point of being life-threatening without medication. That can also make allergy shots dangerous – I don’t know if the OP’s allergies rise to that level, but when I was younger and had childhood asthma plus allergies, I was basically told that if we did allergy shots, every dose would have to be given at the hospital. That didn’t happen.

        Luckily, I outgrew my asthma, and then was able to do allergy shots…only had a systemic reaction send me to the ER once. Ugh. They helped me a lot, but OP’s doctor has told them (per the letter) there’s nothing more to do, so I’m guessing either allergy shots have been done, or allergy shots are contraindicated.

    2. ES*

      Huh, my allergist warned that the shots won’t don’t that until you get to the full dosage (which can take awhile). I still take my regular allergy meds even while I’m getting the shots as I work up.

    3. bluephone*

      I looked into immunotherapy again, having had it as a child. Turns out that the hypertension medication I take is likely to have a dangerous interaction with allergy shots so the allergist wanted me to switch blood pressure medicines. I tried a different class of blood pressure medicine–which triggered a bunch of new, annoying side effects that I couldn’t tolerate. So it’s back to my original blood pressure pills and no immunotherapy :(
      (And even though my allergy shots would have been covered by my insurance, I still would have had a $25 co-pay for getting them at the allergist’s office: $25 once a week for the first 6 months wasn’t really doable. I could have looked into getting the shots from my primary care doctor and not having any co-pay, possibly, but the reason I picked this allergist to begin with was because of her proximity to my office, convenient hours, walk-in times for shots, etc–stuff that my PCP didn’t offer).

      Good luck, OP! My allergies aren’t as severe but just reading this is giving me sympathy sneezes.

      1. Shortie*

        Haha, I agree…I am starting to get the sniffles just thinking about this.

        On a more serious note, though, I am with all of the other commenters who said that the company really dropped the ball by not mentioning the dog friendly workplace during the interview process. If no other good comes out of this situation, hopefully the company now understands how important this is to raise. OP, so sorry you are having to deal with this.

      2. Jessa*

        Some insurances are changing that now, where you don’t have a huge copay just to go in and get the shot and sit in the waiting room for 20 minutes to make sure you don’t have a reaction. I think with mine it was $8 which was the shot copay and you didn’t have to pay an office visit unless you were actually getting treated for something.

  14. kac*

    Oh, OP, I feel you. My husband also has sever allergies to dogs, and most people treat him like he’s being a huge baby. It’s so frustrating!! I think because so many people have minor allergies to pets, they just do not take some people’s allergies seriously or recognize that we’re not just talking about a few sneezes; were talking about the ability to BREATHE! Over exposure to dogs has given my husband bronchitis and he’s had to go tot the ER more than once. This is a serious medical issue, and people need to respect that.

    Is it possible for you to have your own private office, with a door that shuts, and closes you off from the rest of the office? I think you need to be able to establish a space as free of dogs as possible. Ideally there would be windows you could open and you could run an air purifier! (Those things work wonders. Regardless, I think air purifiers are something you should incorporate as part of the solution. They work best in smaller spaces like a single office, rather than a cubicle which would mean it was trying to purify the whole floor!)

    Also, it’s good that they are cleaning the office twice a week, but i imagine they aren’t shampooing the rugs and furniture–a big problem for allergies is the dander that clings to fabric. Which means even if you did kick out the dogs, this space would likely continue to make you sick.

    Allergy shots can be great, but they don’t work for everyone and even when they do, it takes about a year for them to be effective. It’s worth looking into; it’s helped my husband quite a bit, but it hasn’t eliminated his allergy.

  15. YandO*

    I am angry with the employer. They should have disclosed the doggy friendly office at the very beginning stages of the hiring process. This is HUGE.

    I would not ask for dogs to be removed because it will absolutely create a huge problem with your co-workers.

    Here are things that I think might help: your own office with a very good air purifier. If that’s not possible, then I think your only option is to look for another job. I just don’t see any other way around this.

  16. AMG*

    That just sucks. The only other things I can think of are: a) if the company paid for/subsidized dog rooming services to limit the dander, or told the employees that they may have to bathe their dogs more frequently at the peril of not being able to bring dogs in anymore. b) could they restructure your job and/or responsibilities so that you could work from home full time? Tell people that only hypoallergenic breeds can come to the office (poodle mixes, water dogs, etc)
    I’m sorry you’re in this position.

    1. Scotty_Smalls*

      All of these would be my suggestion. I don’t know it would help OP but it’s worth a shot. I think having a hypoallergenic dog friendly officw shouldn’t be too much of a hardship.

      Also if the OP wants to stay in the field, maybe look into how other companies accommodate people with allergies. Because if this is a thing in the field, there has to be other people with allergies working in these companies. And if she finds one that accommodates by providing a dog free floor or something that OP’s company wouldn’t be able to do, try and get a job there.

  17. Victoria Nonprofit (USA)*

    What industry/region is this where dog-friendly offices are so common? I’m intrigued!

    (Like, Pacific Northwest outdoor gear retailers or something?)

    2. S*

      When I worked in San Francisco tech, dog-friendly offices were everywhere (oh man, did I love it).

      1. jmkenrick*

        I’m in SF, and there are a fair amount…but not so many that you couldn’t easily avoid them if you wanted to. People keep mentioning the tech industry, and I know animals are more common here but it still doesn’t jive with OP’s statement that every job her field has a pet-friendly office.

        I work in tech and we don’t have one. In fact, I’m pretty sure that even Google, which famously has a dog-friendly policy, has buildings and floors that don’t have them.

        1. S*

          It’s more common in small start-ups than the big tech firms. Of course, at a small start-up, you also have the added benefit of knowing all 20 people who work there and whether or not they have a dog/like dogs/are allergic to dogs.

  18. Mike C.*

    I hate to be the hardass here since I love animals but if it’s this bad and there are no other accommodations then the dogs simply need to go and the coworkers need to put on their big girl/big boy pants and deal with it. No perk should make an employee suffer like the OP is suffering and it’s not unreasonable to have dogs stay at home. The dogs are not a fundamental part of the business, so there’s that as well.

    It’s been over 20 years since the ADA was enacted, the fact that there was no plan in place to deal with what is a fairly common issue is simply nuts*. If the coworkers should be mad at anyone, it should be management for not planning for this eventuality.

    *Another common allergy!

    1. AMG*

      And then the company needs to manage the employees to be clear they understand that this is on the company, not the OP and no hard feeling/retaliatory behavior will be tolerated.

    2. Anon for This*

      I have serious doubts this will work. In my experience, dog owners are generally unwilling to entertain the notion that Fluffy might be an inconvenience to anyone.

      1. kristinyc*

        Really?

        I have a 14 year old pomeranian. Last year I worked for a cooking website with a dog friendly office. I tried bringing him in twice, and both times, he was too excited about the food smells all over the office, and wanted to explore. He barked a lot and was a total nuisance. The first time I brought him, I thought it was just him getting used to everything. An hour into the second time I brought him, I decided he was being too annoying for everyone, and I brought him home and ended up working from home that day, and not bringing him.

        I travel with him a lot too – believe me, I am VERY aware of how he’s inconveniencing others. Too aware, sometimes. Makes it very difficult to travel with him, to the point where I’ll do a 12 hour drive instead of a 2 hour flight to avoid annoying other travelers.

        So, sure, some dog owners think their dogs are perfect, but I’d say many of them are acutely aware of how imperfect their dogs are. (But obviously love them anyway!) :)

        1. Laurel Gray*

          In his defense, some food smells really do make you want to make some kind of outburst with glee. Dogs choose to bark, I choose to “mmmmmm”. Anyway, I love when pet owners are aware like this. It sucks when they aren’t.

          1. Anx*

            Some doggies also have two levels at barking at yummy smells.

            There’s the barking to indicate they want the chow or are very interested in the chow.

            Then there’s the barking AT the chow, demanding that chow become available.

          2. kristinyc*

            Yeah, one of them was bacon, so I totally get his excitement. Someone nicely brought him a tiny piece after they were done with the photo shoot, not realizing that with him, that just convinces him he can get more bacon if he keeps barking.

      2. AMG*

        Maybe, but maybe not. I have a Doberman puppy, and he’s a pain in the @$$. I know it, the neighborhood knows it, and we take steps to manage him appropriately. We love him, but he’s not the most well-behaved dog. We are working on it. People love him because he’s smart and charming and beautiful, but I would think twice about bringing him to the office even if I could.

        1. Headachey*

          Dobermom here – he’ll probably be a PIA till he’s about 2 or 2 and a half – that’s when mine figured out how to dog.

          I’ve brought my other dog to work a couple of times, but instead of wanting to sleep all day like he does at home, his herding instincts compelled him to keep trying to round us all up and keep us together in one room. Not a good office dog, that one.

          1. Kara*

            Ha. That last bit made me laugh. I have a friend who has an Aussie Shepherd. There have been several times when the kids have begged Mom to keep the dog inside, because the dog won’t stop herding them all into the corner of the yard.

              1. Jessa*

                Yes, some breeds even if not specifically trained to do it, herd as an instinct. Suddenly all the kids are rounded up. Or the geese, or the cats. My aunt had a cat and geese and her dog wanted to round up all the geese and herd the cat into a corner.

            3. Katieinthemountains*

              Heh. If you want to make a collie crazy, disperse the family amongst different rooms of the house.

            4. Mephyle*

              It was over 10 years ago, but we well remember the day my daughter invited her class to work on a group project at our house and our Breed Unknown But Resembled a Belgian Shepherd Tervuren herded the whole class into a corner of the yard.

          2. Barbara*

            It’s been my experience with 6 dogs total (three passed and three now living) that at age 3 they wake up magically knowing how to dog. Up until then they can only puppy/brat.

            1. Honeybee*

              Ugh, 1.5 more years to go. (Haha, no, my dog is super sweet and I love her, and I’ll probably miss her manic energy. But she’s a psycho dog.)

      3. Mary Contrary*

        I love my dog, but she can be a serious pain in the butt. Sweet and affectionate, but lots of anxieties that come out in barking if she can’t run away from whatever is bothering her. I work hard to minimize her impact on others while still getting her out for exercise, socialization, and training purposes (to parks and walks around the neighborhood). While it would be nice if I could bring her to more places, I know crowds are not her friend, so there are lots of dog friendly places she does not go. I’d never try to bring her to work because I’d spend too much energy worrying about keeping her completely quiet and out of the way that I’d get nothing done.

    3. Sunflower*

      But coworkers don’t have actually to deal with it. They can go find another job and apparently there are lots of them that have dog friendly offices. This situation super super sucks for OP but the business also needs to think about what’s best for the business. If enough of the employees will be up in arms about this, it could end up making more sense for the company to put OP in a random office upstairs or in a different suite away from everyone else (which could be a great solution for OP or she could hate it).

      Yeah management screwed up by not telling OP though!

      1. Cat*

        I would be interested to know what an anonymous survey showed, to be honest. I’ve worked in a couple of dog friendly offices. I am also a crazy animal person who adores being around dogs above all else. But in both cases it was pretty much a disaster because, while some of the dogs were perfectly behaved, others were allowed to run rampant and management wasn’t willing to step in and tell the owners those dogs needed to stay home. I’m sure there are some places that implement it better than this–and I imagine animal-focused businesses probably have more experience doing it–but I also wonder if an office like this, where apparently nobody even thought to mention that there were dogs around, is really doing the work to implement it properly. It’s possible any number of co-workers wish the policy was axed but haven’t felt comfortable speaking up.

        1. Cat*

          Oh, and I have got to take this opportunity to relate the most jaw dropping office email I’ve ever seen. One of the badly behaved dogs jumped up, grabbed a sandwich out of someone’s hand, and bit the person in the process. The owner sent an email around saying “Please make sure to keep food away from Fluffy. He will bite you to try and get it.” Yeah.

            1. Jessa*

              Yes, thank you. Your insurance company will get a call from my lawyer. Thank you for proving up my case without me having to do a lick of work. I also hope the office has some kind of insurance to cover this stuff if the employee does not.

              1. K.*

                Yeah, maybe I just have too many lawyer friends, but when I read that (and there’s another story in the thread about someone going into a dog owner’s office to drop off something and getting bitten by the dog), I think lawsuit. Outside of doing a dangerous job (fire fighter, military) you shouldn’t have to fear for your safety at work.

          3. brightstar*

            That is unreal, and it seems like it could have come back on management for allowing a biting dog to remain.

            1. Cat*

              Yes, I was just a summer intern, so I don’t know what ended up happening. I don’t believe she was there for much longer but no idea why.

          5. Laurel Gray*

            LMAO – and the dog’s name was “Fluffy”?!?!? Makes sense, since around here the hugest, most intimidating looking dogs are all softies named “Buster” and “Danger” and “Khujo” who corner you and then fall to the ground on their back looking to be rubbed.

              1. I cannot assume host prerogatives without payment*

                Heh. I have a story to tell. I used to work with a lot of trial / plaintiff’s lawyers. Great guys, especially in Texas. One of them (a friend who is, alas, no longer with us) told me about a case he somehow got stuck with. Dog-bite. The deposition takes alll dayyy and they got nothing, it’s a big waste of time. My friend is stacking papers, it’s dark out, everyone is packing up to leave, when he has a random thought: “Oh, I meant to ask: what is the dog’s name?”

                The defendants freeze up, then answer: “Hitler”.

                Case settled for “an undisclosed confidential amount”.

    4. Cat*

      I’m with you. Much like the article about babies in the office last week, perks that benefit individuals and even groups within the office shouldn’t get to interfere with the basic need of co-workers to be able to do their job in peace.

      Now, if the office wants to instead put together an on-site doggy daycare so employees can visit their dogs at lunch, great idea.

      1. Mike C.*

        Yeah, I mean if it’s really that big of a deal for folks I’m sure something could be managed here. I just hate that the employer doesn’t seem to care all that much about the issue.

    5. Umvue*

      I agree completely.

      I mean… I get the perspective that the backlash this employee is likely to face could well outweigh the aggro of trying to find a new job so soon. The same is true much of the time in other cases involving civil rights violations in the workplace (and that’s what this looks like, absent a reasonable solution from the employer). And I might make that call myself if I were in that situation; my tolerance for conflict is (to my chagrin) pretty low.

      But the issue of what’s fair and reasonable should be really, really obvious to everyone: unless the dogs are service animals, send them home.

    6. NickelandDime*

      Stupid companies like this one are the reasons why the ADA and other legal protections for employees exist.

    7. VintageLydia USA*

      Agreed. This is EXACTLY like the babies in the office letter from last week. Even well behaved animals (and babies) can be distracting to non-allergic people. Offices have successfully banned fragrances and certain foods due to allergies and other sensitivities and those are far more common and understandable to have in an office than freaking dogs. The tenor of this conversation (about banning dogs) in the face of a potentially life threatening allergy is so much different than the one about babies and I’m kind of amazed. I see literally no difference between the two.

    10. naanie*

      I agree totally; I place the needs of employees above the pets of employees. OP isn’t the only person with a severe dog allergy, so this issue will come up again with this company, and it would benefit them to deal with it now and do it well. The current staff will be grumpy for awhile, but they’ll get over it. They can always find jobs at other places that are still allowing dogs, since there are apparently so many.

  19. Anon for this*

    I was hired by a company with a dog-at-work practice. Unfortunately, I was hired to do consulting and clinical work with children. When I brought it to the attention of HR and legal, it still took multiple emails, meetings, and rearranging of offices before we came to the solution: dogs and kids don’t mix at work for liability reasons. The company totally let me be the bad guy, but it was absolutely critical that our clients felt safe at our office. I was amazed (and still am) that no one had thought that through before hiring.

    Since I am not allergic, and I interviewed in front offices and conference rooms, I didn’t know we allowed dogs until two weeks after I started. I really feel for the OP.

    1. Case of the Mondays*

      I actually would not have thought “dogs and kids don’t mix at work” because many places that work with kids have therapy dogs for that purpose. If these were random employee dogs as opposed to employee dogs that were trained for work with kids then yeah, that’s an issue. But, lots of schools and libraries, courts and therapists offices are employing “comfort dogs” for kids. There are read to dog programs too for kids with reading disabilities.

      2. Anon for this*

        Of course lots of places use therapy dogs but these are all employee dogs with no training or approval process for being brought in. Most people at that workplace don’t have a clinical background so it really didn’t occur to them at all that it would be a problem. I was surprised the legal team didn’t see the liability and it was still a struggle to implement once pointed out.

  20. Karina Jameson*

    I am allergic to dogs although not as severely as the OP, but what a nightmare it was working for a dot.com back in the late 90s that was dog friendly. There was this guy who had a huge dog, I mean huge, and this dog was not well-behaved in the least. His owner thought it was SO HILARIOUS how bad he was. He would grab people’s lunches off their desk, dig in the trash, and once he even pooped on the floor. HILARIOUS, right? It was the biggest farce I’ve ever seen. Amazingly, the dot.com failed (/sarcasm) because the people running the place had about as much common sense as that dumb dog owner. Needless to say, I enjoy dogs, but never again in the workplace.

    2. AvonLady Barksdale*

      People who don’t train or monitor their dogs piss me off. It’s bad for the dog (dogs love structure) and terrible for those of us who do care if our dogs steal your food. Would my dog take my boss’s lunch if I let him? He sure would. Would he get away with it if he tried? NOPE.

  21. misspiggy*

    Dogs don’t need constant all day care, but they do suffer if left alone for long periods. So could Mondays and Fridays be dog-free days in the office? Just after/just before the weekend, with all that owner interaction, the animals should be OK. They are seeing their owners morning and evening after all. The OP could work at home Wednesdays, and hopefully the Tuesday and Thursday would then be bearable if filters and desk location were tackled. Even if this doesn’t solve the problems long term, it could work as an interim arrangement while the OP was looking for another job.

    1. VintageLydia USA*

      That’s what doggie day care and dog walking services are for. Personally, I’d prioritize the needs of a person with a potentially life threatening allergy like OP over those of a dog. Even a dog I really liked a lot.

    2. lowercase holly*

      or maybe Thurs/Fri with cleanings scheduled for Friday night or over the weekend? then Mon-Wed would be allergy lessened.

    3. TL -*

      Or probably people should consider how a 40+ hr workweek would impact their dog and what lifestyle they could give it before they get a dog. (And the very high possibility that they won’t always work at a dog-friendly workplace.)

    4. Honeybee*

      There are thousands, probably millions, of dogs who stay at home every day while their owners work. It may not be preferable for the dog, but the dog is fine. If the dog is not fine, then the owners have to invest in dog day care or dog walkers – because pet ownership is a choice, and most offices don’t allow you to bring your dog to work.

      Also, the OP shouldn’t have to look for another job. She has a medical condition that’s probably covered by ADA, but even if it’s not, human allergy trumps pets at work.

  22. Althea*

    There are pros and cons to this, but I think if the employer got to the point of needing to ban dogs, they should hold an all-hands meeting. Tell them the problem, everything they’ve tried to do to solve it, and their current inability to find a solution. Ask the employees what other solutions they can come up with. If they find anything to try, great, try it. But if not, they’d need to hold another meeting and tell everyone they will need to change the policy.

    My hope is that, although people will still be upset, a reasonable number of them will see that making someone sick is not worth it and will volunteer to stop bringing in their dogs. Maybe that would even be enough. But if not, at least they are aware of how hard the office tried to keep the policy in place, and will have to grudgingly admit that all the employees couldn’t come up with a solution – the blame isn’t just on ‘the guy with the allergy’ but also on everyone else for finding no other way.

    Or, the whole thing could backfire and OP could still be resented… it’s a gamble.

    1. Nora Charles*

      I think getting the other employees to suggest workable solutions makes sense. It gives everyone ownership of the problem.

      Although I would love dogs in my office, I sympathize with the OP, as I do have family members with pet allergies. (And I cannot stand poorly behaved dogs. Irresponsible pet ownership really gets my goat.) I would be more interested to know the layout of the office. If there are multiple floors or closed-off areas, that might lend itself to a solution.

      If there is no way to keep dogs in some parts of the office, the company might consider on-site doggy daycare.

      Also, who on earth doesn’t mention this when interviewing prospective new hires? It seems like it would come up at some point (office culture, typical day, tour of office…).

      1. Honeybee*

        On-site doggy daycare would be awesome – I think I would actually prefer that to having my dog in the office. Then she gets to run around with other dogs all day and come home happy and tired.

  23. Amber Rose*

    OP, other companies may list themselves as dog friendly but be more prepared for accommodating allergies. I’d look into a new job and ask at least. Your current employer seems pretty ridiculous in a way that is a pretty bright red flag to me.

    1. Spondee*

      I thought of this as well. OP, if this is really common in your industry, then you’ll probably have to start asking about the policy when you get an offer. My husband works in a pet-friendly office, but they have specified days that dogs are allowed, and I believe there are other restrictions about how many dogs can be in the office at the same time or places in the office that have to remain dog-free. A company with that sort of policy would probably be able to work with you better than your current employer, which sounds like a free-for-all.

  24. Laurel Gray*

    This could all have been avoided if the job advertised that it was a pet friendly environment! People do not apply at Petco with dangerous dog allergies. Bakers with serious nut allergies are probably not applying at bakeries that have menu items with a variety of nuts in them. I feel like the company did the OP (and really all applicants) by not disclosing that dogs are part of this work environment. However, I do wonder where the OP was having her interviews if she never saw any signs of dog in the hiring process. I am sorry you are going through this OP, while I wouldn’t mind working with animals, I completely understand those who do.

    1. fposte*

      I agree they should have said up front, but I don’t know that it should have been avoided. Having dogs is not integral to this workplace task, and she is entitled to work at this office with the relevant and reasonable accommodation. She’s not obligated to self-select out.

      1. Laurel Gray*

        I got the feeling from the OP’s letter that she would have passed on this company or not have applied if they knew this place doubled as a doggie day care. I do agree that a prospective employee isn’t obligated to self-select out but under circumstances like these I believe many would. I also believe that if this company has to change their policy because of the OP (and future others, this allergy is common), the company needs to get slack for it, not the OP.

  25. Dr. Pepper Addict*

    The suggestion about an isolated work space, like an office where OP could close the door seems to be a good solution. In her letter, it sounded like she was out in an open work space, and probably works in a cubicle (we don’t know that for sure though). If they could build her a small office, in the corner of the office, with a door that closes and a hepa filter running to filter the air – that might work. Also, OP, do you work in a stand alone building where your company is the only one that uses it, or are there several floors to the building that you share with other businesses? If it’s the latter, perhaps another company in your building has an empty office on another floor your company could rent from them at a cheap rate. That way, you’re there on site working and you’re away from the dogs.

    I will say, personally, if I were in OP’s shoes, I wouldn’t want to be the one that cause the whole company to lose a benefit because of my allergies. I would quit before I did that just because I wouldn’t want to impose something on the majority just to make things better off for me. I understand it’s hard to find a job you love but I couldn’t be the one that causes everyone else to lose a part of their job that they love. Not saying OP should react the same way, but that’s how I would feel.

  26. LS*

    I personally find it 100% ridiculous that the employer wouldn’t mention this during the interview process. It’s just completely ignorant to people who 1) don’t like dogs or 2) are highly allergic. I am super surprised something like this would happen.

    And yes, the OP is between a rock and a hard place. Really, a new job is their only option. Requesting accommodation is just going to alienate co-workers who were sold on the company being dog friendly, or who perhaps got dogs once they worked in a dog friendly office.

  27. rory*

    Ugh, I’m so sorry this is happening to you. This is my worst nightmare. I’m thinking I should start asking “are pets welcome in the workplace?” during interviews, but I suspect people might think I’m looking for a “yes”, rather than a “hell no this is an office not a dog park”.

    1. Paige Turner*

      I think it’s totally reasonable (although IANAL etc) to ask once you’re gotten an offer. “I wanted to know if pets are sometimes or often in the workplace” doesn’t, to me, sound like saying, “I can’t wait to bring Cerberus and Mr. Bigglesworth to the office!”

  28. Erin*

    To answer Alison’s above comment/question – I would actually decline to exercise the ADA rights. I think this is one of those cases where, even if you’re in the right and can win, you have to decide if this is a battle worth fighting.

    Maybe I care too much what other people think of me, but for me, it would ruin my work life if everyone I worked with loved having this perk and I was the one to take it away from them.

    I would first exercise any and all options. The good news is that the employer wants to work with her on this (although I am BAFFLED that this was not mentioned beforehand). I would:

    -Communicate with *more than one* doctor on possible options.
    -Continue communicating with employer on possible options – keep trying new things.
    -Communicate with coworkers as best as possible the seriousness of the situation.*
    -Read any book or article you can get your hands on on allergens.

    Don’t Kill the Birthday Girl is a great book on allergies, but food allergies. I learned from that book that the thing with allergies is, it is truly different for everyone. One person in this situation may sneeze on occasion at work and have to take Claritin, the end. Others, like I suspect our OP, could go into anaphylactic shock.

    *We all know someone who is “allergic” to cats and then, like, owns a cat. I would make sure the employees know this is NOT the case here, but it is in fact a very, very serious allergy. Maybe with more heads to put together on this, with everyone on board, a solution can be found.

    If all options are exhausted, I think you need to leave the job. That sucks. So. Much. So much.

    But again, I personally would not be able to come to work knowing that I had shut down this awesome office perk that everyone loved. Maybe you can, and that would be in your right, but you really have to think about what’s right for you and what you can live with (or without).

    1. Katie the Fed*

      “Maybe I care too much what other people think of me, but for me, it would ruin my work life if everyone I worked with loved having this perk and I was the one to take it away from them.”

      I’ve been thinking about this more though – I can’t imagine that literally everyone LOVES this perk. I’ll bet there are silent suffers and people who hate dogs who would probably welcome this.

      And even if you already bring your dog to the office, you should know that it’s something that could change at any point precisely because of situations like this, or legal liability, or other issues. It’s not something that you should assume is normal and permanent.

      1. Erin*

        Thank you, yes, that is what I meant, thank you for rephrasing that better than I did.

        Also, good point that not everyone necessarily loves the perk.

    2. Kyrielle*

      We all know someone who is “allergic” to cats and then, like, owns a cat.

      Please, no quotes. I am allergic to cats – really, truly, test out allergic and everything – and own two cats. Why? Because my allergy is moderate, and mostly controlled with medication, and I love cats. Yes, I’m not nearly as allergic to cats as the OP is to dogs. But my allergy is not fake and does not need quotes as though it is imaginary.

      1. Katie the Fed*

        I don’t think Erin is saying that allergies aren’t real. I think she’s saying that some people abuse the term and it cheapens it for people who really suffer, like you. Like all of the gluten intolerant folks. Do you really have Celiac or are you jumping on the bandwagon just to annoy the piss out of everyone whose house you visit for dinner?

        1. Kyrielle*

          If someone is definitely diagnosed as not having Celiac, but their health improves when not having gluten, I would argue they are gluten-intolerant. If they claimed to have Celiac, that would then be false.

          To me, saying you’re “allergic” reads as saying you’re not *really* allergic, you just claim it. But it’s perfectly possible to really be allergic and also live with cats. If “quotes” weren’t meant to imply that what was in the quotes was a social white-lie, then I apologize for misunderstanding, but that’s how I’ve always seen them used (other than for their actual purpose of setting off quotations, or for marking a string in code, which clearly don’t apply here :).

          1. Althea*

            Unfortunately for people with allergies, I’ve known several people who tell others they are allergic when they are not. In some cases, they simply hate that particular food, and it’s “stronger” to say they are allergic so the restaurant (or friend) doesn’t forget the “no X” amendment to the meal. Other times, they have a health problem with the food, but it’s too complicated to explain, so they just say they are allergic because people know what that means. I think the former version doesn’t do allergy-sufferers any favors, because there are times a person may consume the food without a problem. Those around them look askance and doubt their “allergy.” I think that’s the kind of “allergy” that gets the scare quotes.

            1. Kyrielle*

              I agree. I objected to the scare-quotes in the cat example because I can attest that I’m truly allergic and have cats, and I don’t think I’m alone.

              I also have a lot of dietary restrictions that aren’t allergies, and I simply say I “can’t have X”. If someone asks, I’ll say that it’s medical and a doctor-recommended diet (which is true), but most of the time just saying I can’t have it is enough. I really dislike the misuse of the word allergy, but having heard stories from people whose friends/relatives deliberately fed them something because “it can’t be that bad” I can understand the desire to turn it into something other people might recognize. (Gotta say, a “friend” who did that to me over something I can’t have, on purpose, for that reason, would be an ex-friend asap. Accidents happen, but deliberately feeding someone something they don’t want, and misleading them about it so they eat it, is not okay. Whether it’s because they’re allergic, sensitive, can’t have it for another medical reason, have an ethical objection to it, or just flat out hate the taste or texture.)

            2. bkanon*

              Other times, they have a health problem with the food, but it’s too complicated to explain, so they just say they are allergic because people know what that means.

              Yeah. I have a severe reaction to a particular kind of bean. Unfortunately, it’s really common in home cooking around here, especially for cornbread-type meals. Inevitably the conversation goes:
              what are these?
              oh, dunno, some kind of white beans?
              I need to know.
              Why?
              I can’t eat $beans, they make me sick.
              Oh? How?
              They make me sick.
              Yeah, but how?

              Several re-iterations of that, and I finally end up describing “six hours after eating $beans, I will be violently, projectile-arily throwing up and if I’m lucky, it will be in a receptacle and I *might* be able to get to the floor before I pass out”. Then it’s “well, you could have just said you couldn’t eat them”. There’s no official diagnosis and the few doctors I’ve asked about it all say “wow, that’s weird”. So I just say I’m allergic, and avoid anything with white beans in it (navy, great northern, etc), and it’s easier. No more questions. It cuts the conversation down to one sentence and people who know will warn me before I put something on my plate.

              1. Sigrid*

                I have the same problem! To all legumes, actually, not just white beans. The condition does have a name, although I can’t remember it off the top of my head. I generally say I “can’t tolerate” legumes, although I have been known to just say I’m allergic to shut down people trying to force food on me.

              2. Case of the Mondays*

                You very well could be allergic. If you look up allergic reactions, it includes vomiting and diarrhea. That’s how I react to avocado and my doc considers it an allergy.

              3. sam*

                I don’t have any “allergies” per se, but my food “intolerances” can get extreme.

                I’m a supertaster, so anything that is bitter (cruciform vegetables, chocoloate) is supremely gross and overpowers anything else in the meal. red wine (even a sip) = migraines.

                I have one friend who has celiac and gets extreme migraines, and at one point her doc made her go full vegan (which, combined with the celiac had her eating basically lettuce) to test what was triggering the migraines. They never figured it out and she just gave up because she decided she needed to eat some actual food-based food again.

                My old boss had diverticulitis, which again, not an allergy, but can be extremely food restricting (and painful) when active. It’s a lot easier to just say “allergic” than to get into an explanation of weird folds that cause certain foods to get stuck in your intestinal tract.

          2. Erin*

            Yep. It wasn’t the best example to use, and I probably should have left out the quotations. But I’m sure you see what I was going for. :)

        2. Erin*

          (I responded to the wrong comment above – in a hurry. =P)

          Yes, I meant to say, there are many, many degrees of allergies and it’s different for everyone. Someone who is legitimately allergic to cats may own cats, and then someone else may not be able to own a cat.

          I’m concerned that here maybe the coworkers are thinking, I know someone who is allergic to dogs and owns a dog, so it can’t be that bad. When it actually is.

      2. AMG*

        I am allergic to cats too–I just need to make sure that I dont’ touch my eyes or nose after I’ve been playing with my cat. If I rinse my hands after holding him, then I’m fine. Nothing like what the OP is dealing with, but a real allergy. I think people have this type of allergy in mind when making light of someone’s allergies. If it were me, sure, pop a Claritin and go on with life. But hopefully OP’s coworkers realize that this is a whole other level of allergic reaction.

      3. Erin*

        Right. I’m sorry I offended you. Katie the Fed said it perfectly – I meant to say some people abuse the term and it cheapens it for other people who actually suffer, like you. Again, apologies for not expressing my point more eloquently.

        1. UK HR bod*

          In fairness to you Erin, I’m probably “allergic” to furry animals – mostly rabbits and cats. I’m not (normally) severely affected – it’s normally sneezing, very sore runny eyes, flu-ish symptoms, although it’s also been serious difficulty breathing and swelling throat on a very few occasions. H0wever, I get better with exposure, so if I can get past the first few days I get better, so it settles down to mild cold symptoms and sore eyes. It is an allergy, but it probably deserves quotation marks. It just goes to show the real range of allergic reactions. Some of us have mainly inconvenient reactions, some have life-threatening ones. If it was me in this situation, it would be a balance of inconveniences – my increased need for tablets / eye drop vs the co-workers need to have their dog at home, and on numbers alone my inconvenience would probably come second. For someone who has such a severe reaction, it’s a balance of actual danger vs inconvenience.

  29. sus*

    Yeah, I’d pretty much hate anyone who caused me not to be able to bring my dog to work anymore.

          1. Omne*

            You’ve never felt resentment over something the person can’t control? Caregivers often go through it, especially when it’s a family member.

            1. Katie the Fed*

              Sus didn’t say “resent.” She said “hate” which is much stronger.

              A little tinge of annoyance and resentment is one thing, but most of us are adult enough to be able to get past that.

    2. Ask a Manager* Post author

      But isn’t that kind of uncomfortably close to a reaction we’d condemn in other contexts, like the ire that’s still sometimes directed toward women who exercise their legal rights to stop sexual harassment (and then are often thought of as killers of fun)?

      1. AMT*

        And this is exactly the attitude that leads to discrimination. “We’d better not hire any women/trans pepole/disabled people/Asians, they’ll take away our bikini calendars/hilarious Catelyn Jenner jokes/luxurious ramp-free staircases/totally-not-racist posters.” You basically have the choice between getting used to unfairness or being seen as a walking buzzkill.

        1. Cat*

          Why can’t we do business meetings at strip clubs anymore???? Damn ladies, getting in business where they don’t belong.

    4. AMG*

      I’m glad you said this. It may not be right, but it’s honest and an important part of the debate here. People will hold it against the OP even though they may intellectually understand the justification. I think sometimes there is a gap between emotional logic (not-logic?) and intellectual logic. That will come into play, sadly.

      1. S*

        +1

        I think it’s easy to say, on an online forum, that of course we’d accommodate the allergy and not be angry about it at all! But yes, I’d be a little upset about not bringing my (hypothetical) dog to work, even if I understand and acknowledge that it’s for a health reason. That’s normal and I wouldn’t be surprised or think that someone is a terrible human being because of their emotional reaction. There just cannot be any sort of retaliation, subtle or otherwise, against the OP if there was a blanket ban on dogs at the office starting on X day.

        1. Kelly O*

          There is a world of difference between “I’d be a little upset,” and “I would hate.”

          1. AnonAcademic*

            Yes, that seems really petty and cruel to me, and I like animals more than people most of the time!

        2. Angie*

          But offices change perks all the time. I worked someplace where coffee was free, then they started charging 25 cents. My pension got slashed. Employers have ended work from home programs (see: yahoo). Most employers write their policies in a way that makes it clear anything can change at a moments notice.

          1. Laurel Gray*

            Very true, still doesn’t mean people are prepared emotionally/mentally/physically/financially when a perk changes. I totally agree perks are not entitlements but people tend to tie them into their morale and so when you take it away they may feel in the dumper and/or want to play a blame game over it.

    5. AW*

      Except the OP didn’t cause this. The employer did by not disclosing that there’s a bunch of dogs in the office.

  30. Carolyn*

    This happened to my mom in a way – her employer after many years decided to get 2 office dogs and she is allergic (though not to the extent of the OP). Her office accommodated her by moving her out of the cubicle farm, getting her an office, having a cleaning service vacuum her office every morning, cleaning the ventilation system once a quarter, and purchasing an air purifier for her office. Problem solved! She’s still viewed a little bit as the “lady who complains/hates dogs” but she can work and breathe at the same time (novel idea, I know…)

  31. ExceptionToTheRule*

    OP, I totally feel you.

    I do want to chime in on the allergy shots suggestion quickly. Allergy shots do NOT make your symptoms go away. The proper term is Immuno-therapy and they are designed to gradually build up your immune system so your allergens don’t trigger an allergic response. You take them for years. They don’t make your symptoms go away the minute you start taking them and they can sometimes make your symptoms worse. They are also a serious commitment with many clinics requiring weekly visits to administer the shots & ensure you don’t have an reaction. On top of the fact that affordability depends on your insurance. I had to have the damn things as a kid and now again as an adult. They suck and they don’t prevent my legs from breaking out in hives when I mow the grass.

    1. CrazyCatLady*

      Seconded. I actually had a few allergists choose not to give me allergy shots because my allergies and asthma were so bad and they thought the risk was too high of anaphylaxis. One allergist said he would, but had to start with such a tiny amount that I’d be doing it almost forever. Not only that, I’d have to stay in the office for at least an hour afterwards for “observation” to make sure I didn’t have a reaction. It’s a huge commitment and definitely doesn’t help right away.

      1. Aunt Vixen*

        Millionthed. Allergy shots changed my life, but they changed it from genuine constant misery during allergy season (= spring, summer, and fall for me) to bearable discomfort during allergy season. And it wasn’t a quick change. I’m not sorry I did it, and I’m glad the option exists because (I am not a physician! this is only what I know of the policies at the allergy clinics where I got my shots) it’s safe for pregnant woman where pharmaceutical treatments are obviously not, but it’s not a silver bullet.

        1. Kyrielle*

          Having been a pregnant woman (and then a nursing mother) with allergies, several of the pharmaceutical treatments are perfectly safe also. But you probably have *more* options absent that factor, it’s true.

          1. Aunt Vixen*

            This is good to know, because you better believe when I end up pregnant (knock wood) I will be asking exactly what pain relievers and antihistamines are safe if I absolutely need them. :-)

    2. L*

      They now have the under the tongue drops (amazing!). Same idea, but slightly more effective. And I’d say if this is an option, the company should pay all costs associated with the shots (even if a covered service, they should cover the copays and allow them to be scheduled on company time).

  32. Alicia*

    This entire situation sucks. If it was me, I’d be looking for a new job. I wouldn’t want to anger all the employees who enjoy this dog perk, but that’s just me because I hate confrontation and knowing someone is upset with me. I totally blame the company tho for not mentioning this dog issue. That’s just awful and irresponsible of them.

  33. mno*

    Question to those who would remove the perk due to her allergies – what say you if one of the animals IS a service dog? Who would you put in pain?

        2. AMT*

          There’s no “can’t.” The employer must accommodate both. From the article:

          “When you have two people with disabilities … you don’t treat one as inherently more important than the other. What the employer has to do is work out some sort of balance between the accommodations needed.”

          It’s not like it’s impossible, even in a small office, to designate one section as dog-free. Or to let someone work from home. Or to clean more often, or to get a special air filter, or to rent a small space in another building, or to move to a different building where it’ll be easier to accommodate both employees, or to do any number of things that any decent employer would come up with. Disability accommodations are part of the cost of doing business.

          1. cv*

            Service dogs will also be a) fewer in number than sounds like the case here, and b) better trained than many non-service dogs. The service dogs I’ve seen are much less likely to go poking around other parts of the office than the dogs my coworkers have brought to the office. And other people are less likely to be in contact with them and spreading their dander since most people know not to pet service dogs.

            There’s definitely a conflict between allergies and service animals, but the OP’s situation is much worse.

            1. Jessa*

              Yes most service animals are trained to basically sit where they’re put. They’re trained to be unobtrusive. So they’re less likely to run around, they won’t jump on people unless they’re trying to move them out of danger, etc. So it’s less of an imposition in terms of covering the whole office with animal dander. It’s still bad but unlike untrained dogs, it’s easier to deal with.

            2. Jen S. 2.0*

              I think it would make a huge difference that it likely would be 1-2 service dogs at most, as opposed to many more pets. An office of, say, 100 people potentially could have 50-60 dogs, easily; many more than can be handled by one poor overworked HEPA filter. The one service dog can be placed across the office; the 50-60 dogs are everywhere.

          2. jmkenrick*

            I mean, if they *genuinely* can’t, doesn’t that render the accommodation no longer reasonable?

    2. Kelly L.*

      IANAL, but I think in that case you’d have to accommodate both, as best you could, which might mean placing the person with allergies and the person with the service dog as far apart in the building as possible.

      1. Laura the Librarian*

        Why do I have a feeling that if they ban dogs, suddenly most of the people will be claiming their dogs are service dogs? We had this issue with a patron at a library I worked at. He brought a pug in, and when we asked him to remove the dog, claimed it was a service dog even though it had no vest or anything to ID it as a service dog. (We had other patrons with service dogs and they always had a vest, a special tag, or paperwork with them showing that it was a service dog.)
        He left, then returned the next day, this time claiming it was a “companion” animal. When we again asked for some kind of documentation, he left but not before allowing the dog to leave us a “present” in the lobby. (Yes, he let the pug poop and walked off.)

        1. AMT*

          Under the ADA, service animals are different from emotional support animals. Service animals are covered, emotional support animals aren’t.

        2. S*

          It’s important to note that paperwork is not required to “prove” that a dog is a service dog. There are certain questions that you can ask the owner about the tasks that the dog performs, but you are also not allowed to ask about the owner’s disability. I was under the impression once that service animals had to be legally registered, but no, that’s not the case at all.

        3. KT*

          I’d like to point out, the ADA is very clear that service dogs do not need paperwork, documentation, or vest.

          If they had paperwork or a tag, they likely were purchased off of a site like Amazon–anyone can buy them. There is no licensing body for service dogs to test and provide the dog with tags.

          They only questions you are allowed to ask is, if the service dog is serving aid for a disability, and what tasks is it trained to do.

          1. Laura the Librarian*

            Well, that kind of proves my point, I have a feeling that if they ban dogs, suddenly all the dogs are going to be service animals. (Just to be clear, I have total sympathy for the OP. I love animals but would hate to work in this office.)

            1. KT*

              Well no, the employer can still verify if they are service dogs. An employer (as well as airlines) can request a doctor’s note stating that the dog is medically necessary. They can also ask for specifics of what tasks it does (must be an active task…carrying medication in a vest or backpack doesn’t count).

              That can include alerting to the onset of medical issue (seizures, low blood sugar, etc), mobility assistance, etc.

              Service dogs are incredibly well behaved and are trained to never leave their owner’s side when working. If the dog misbehaves in any way, they can be asked to leave any facility. If someone claims they have a service dog and that dog is jumping up on people, barking, or peeing, then they are not a protected service dog.

              1. Laura the Librarian*

                That was the situation here. This pug was jumping up and down, barking, and running in circles. He was an adorable dog.

            2. S*

              But it’s very easy to figure out which dogs are trained to be service dogs and which ones aren’t. When you ask the handler “what tasks is your service dog trained to do?” they should be able to answer that clearly for you. For example: “my service dog is trained to do ____________ in situations where I experience ___________.” Someone faking the need for a service dog won’t know how to answer questions like that.

              2. Geof*

                Service dog handler here.. [under the ADA] Two questions are allowed to determine if you are dealing with a service dog [in a public space] “Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability?” and “What work or task has the dog been trained to perform?” For reference, I typically answer with “Yes, he alerts me to the presence of a specific allergen.” It is important to note that some handlers are reluctant to discuss specific tasks due to stigma attached to specific disabilities, others might have trouble answering questions simply because of their disability. So hesitation in answering does not always equal a naughty handler.

    3. Mike C.*

      Figure something out. We can put people on the moon, we can precisely alter the genomes of plants, we can visit Pluto. In the grand scheme of things, it’s only difficult if you don’t really care to solve the problem.

      1. Aunt Vixen*

        Mike, there are a lot of times you kind of get under my skin, but today in this thread I am finding you heroic. (I’m not sure what that says about me–I’ll give it a think–but do carry on and know I’m applauding over here.)

          1. Victoria, Please*

            Chuckle. Mike C is a bit of a gadfly, which means that he brings up truth with an attitude. Even if you don’t agree and his manner stings, you have to admit he has a point!

            And today I do agree: Fix This.

          2. Aunt Vixen*

            Heh, maybe. But there are times I agree with Mike on his actual point but still wish he’d put a sock in it. This was not one of those times. :-)

    4. Jill of All Trades*

      Well, service animals are not a perk, but if there is one service dog and one allergic person, they can be kept as far apart as possible. The OP’s problem is the volume of dogs forces closer proximity. Unless OP goes to work for an organization that specifically recruits people with service animals, they are unlikely to come across more than 1 or 2 in an office setting and should be able to maintain enough distance.

  34. super anon*

    I’m allergic to animals (pet dander is one of my asthma triggers as well, which is great fun) and my office is dog friendly. It started because someone needed a therapy dog, and then expanded to a dog free for all. I had no idea before I started my job as it wasn’t mentioned in the ad, I interviewed in a different building than the one my office was in, and I wasn’t told until my second day in the office!

    Luckily, the building is large and unless I’m putting my face into the dogs, or letting them touch me or lick me, I don’t have any adverse affects, and I can enjoy seeing the occasional dog walk by. All of the dogs are in people’s offices with them, and there’s no dogs in the area that I am in, and my employer seemed ready to accommodate me even further if necessary. After reading this, I think I got lucky!

    I’m so sorry op – I spent 18 years growing up in a house with multiple dogs and cats, I was sick constantly as a result of it. I think if I had to go to work everyday and deal with the same thing, I would go crazy.

    1. Katie the Fed*

      Therapy dogs are such a gray area, too. A lot of people are classifying their dogs as “therapy dogs” so they can bring them places, but they don’t usually have the same legal protection as actual service dogs.

      1. Episkey*

        This is true. My dog is a registered therapy dog through Pet Partners, a national org. We had to pass a test and everything, BUT she is not my service dog, nor is she anyone’s service dog. And I don’t try to pass her off as such.

      2. fposte*

        I think that’s been a troubling grey area, though, because there’s isn’t any certification or official standard for a service dog. Some uses are specifically excluded (“emotional support,” for instance), but in general it’s not a safe call to make on the fly.

  35. sally*

    I love dogs, but having an employee wear a mask as a reasonable accommodation (assuming that would even help at all)? Come on.

    1. Laurel Gray*

      Yeah, I am a dog lover who doesn’t own one. I could survive in an office that had this perk but if a coworker was allergic, I would stand behind them. Doc visits, copays, shots, MASKS (sigh) just to perform in your job because there are furry creatures around? Not really fair. Most people believe sick people should stay home if they work with people with illness like cancer and this is kind of no different. OP’s employer sucks for this.

  36. Ad Astra*

    I just can’t believe nobody mentioned the dog-friendly thing before making an offer! That’s something I would expect to hear about in the first interview! (I’m also wondering if the OP interviewed in person at this office without noticing any evidence of dogs, or if maybe she interviewed offsite.)

    Short of doing away with the dog-friendly thing, would it be helpful/possible to limit the days dogs can be in the office? The allergy sounds so severe that even traces of dander might bother her, but if that’s not the case, it might be a good compromise. This also would depend on how reasonable your coworkers are. As much as I’d love to bring my dog to work, I would feel bad knowing Fido’s mere presence is making my coworker miserable.

    1. Robin B*

      And it’s really not a proper description “dog-friendly,” when it’s more like “dog-devoted.”

  37. Cristina in England*

    This is my nightmare. I would cry almost on arrival (and break out in hives, and not be able to breathe even long after I had left the dog space).

  38. smartcookie*

    OP, I really feel for you here. As a dog lover AND allergy sufferer, I have to say that your office does not seem to be accommodating you. Can you suggest more frequent cleanings? Bi-weekly is a joke when it comes to allergens. If you end up deciding to leave, I recommend negotiating a severenice package if at all, since the responsibility to disclose dogs in an office was completely abdicated.

  39. Katie the Fed*

    This is quite the pickle. You have every legal right to get the dogs removed from the office, but who wants to be that person? Ugh :(

    Can they let you work from home all the time?

    1. Paige Turner*

      I think that they should at least let the OP work from home while they are deciding what to do.

      1. Red Rose*

        But not every job allows that. About 75% of my work is with confidential materials that cannot leave the office.

    2. Adam*

      Unfortunately it sounds like she can’t. It looks like the one day a week is a stretch as it is and the other four are mandatory she be present. That and a few of her co-workers seem to find the fact that she gets that one day out of the office irritating (which kind of blows my mind but that’s a separate issue).

  40. Suz*

    I’ve got to know – What field is the OP in that so many employers allow dogs in the office?

      1. Kyrielle*

        It does seem that way, as someone who also works in tech, but I’m presently in a very large tech company that doesn’t offer that perk. (And, as someone who has mild allergies and a now-mild phobia, I am so grateful.)

      2. Suz*

        Several other commenters have mentioned tech. If that’s correct, it’s even puzzling to me why allowing the OP to work from home isn’t an option.

  41. Mimmy*

    Hate to pile on the OP’s employer, but….yeah, I agree with everyone else that the company should’ve been up front about the presence of dogs. Not only is it a common source of allergies, there are people who are genuinely afraid of dogs. Others, like me, just aren’t comfortable around dogs. I’m not afraid of them per se, but I just don’t like them climbing up on me or sniffing my unmentionable area, lol.

    I too am wondering why this wasn’t apparent during the interview. Even if the OP didn’t see any dogs, wouldn’t he/she have started to feel symptomatic after a few minutes?

    As a disability advocate, I’m all for accommodating an employee with allergies, but I also would hate to see the other employees lose their perk of a dog-friendly workplace. Very torn on this one :(

    1. Beebs the Elder*

      I know I’m in the tiny minority here . . . but I’m so grateful that I don’t work in an industry that welcomes dogs. I really, really, don’t want to spend all day around other people’s pets. To me, they are like kids–love my own, can do without (most) other people’s.

      Yes, I have a tiny, flinty heart.

      1. Myrin*

        Oh, absolutely. With dogs specifically, I don’t like them and am also afraid of them, but even with animals that I like and/or own myself, I wouldn’t want them around my place of work (unless I work in a zoo or at a vet’s, obviously). But I haven’t ever heard of anything like this around here so I guess I’m safe?

        1. JC*

          I seriously doubt you’re in a tiny minority! I am at work to work, and I don’t want to spend time with other people’s dogs, or babies, or any sentient being that is not an independent, professional adult when I am there. I’ve always found the idea of dog-friendly offices to be crazy.

      2. Tau*

        I’ll join you. I’m extremely uncomfortable around/somewhat afraid of dogs and have had bad experiences with people who either think this makes me a heartless monster or that it’s hilarious. I would not be a happy camper in an office like that, and furious that it was never brought up during the interview.

        And I’m not at risk of dying.

      3. Muriel Heslop*

        I am with you! My colleagues can get very distracting and distracted with their pets.

      4. msbadbar*

        >>I’m so grateful that I don’t work in an industry that welcomes dogs.

        I feel this way too. I’m slightly allergic, but the main reason is that I really dislike being around dogs.

        There is nothing wrong with this, by the way! It’s just a preference like any other. Liking or disliking a certain kind of animal does not dictate or indicate the warmth or coldness of your heart.

      5. Jill 2*

        One hundred and fifty percent with you. I don’t like animals, which makes me an ogre, apparently, and I would be so pissed about this.

        1. Beebs the Elder*

          At least I’m not totally alone. The few . . . the proud . . . the dog-indifferent!

      6. Victoria, Please*

        Nope, right with you there. I don’t want to spend the day with people’s pets OR children at work. Emergency accommodations are one thing, but every day all day NO way.

    2. Adam*

      My first question was how this didn’t get mentioned when the OP was interviewing and my guess is:
      -This has been such a common perk for so long the interviewers feel like it’s a normal part of the workplace and didn’t think it was important to mention.
      -This is so common in the industry at least in their region that the company considers it commonplace on that front as well. OP mentioned that she’s looked at other companies, but they all have a “dog-friendly” office. It seems like OP’s was the one workplace that didn’t bother to advertise it ahead of time.

  42. L*

    Wow. I can’t fathom how this didn’t come up in the interview! I think the key here is to discuss what things would work with your allergist first. Having gone through a battery of allergy tests, I’ve learned the severity of the allergen can dictate seemingly ridiculous protocols (changing clothes, bagging shoes, etc.). They may be able to help guide you to determine if a separated space is enough versus sharing the same elevator is going to set you over the edge. This is important to figure out because if your work requires interaction with your team (who’s been in the doggie camp) that could potentially undo all your efforts.

    It may suck, but the only remedy I see is allergy shots. Culture is often such an important fit to a job and even though you have a legitimate need, I would imagine it would be hard to be successful without trying every alternative.

    1. Katie the Fed*

      I don’t know, I keep thinking about this: “Culture is often such an important fit to a job” and that’s a big part of why discrimination still happens. I work in an environment that’s still very white-male dominated and it takes a LONG time for culture to change. But it’s not going to change by me self-selecting out either.

      1. L*

        I don’t mean it as a pro or a con, but it is a fact. Let’s say the employer bans dogs; the OP is going to have to deal with some blow back because they “caused” the “perk” to end. I’m not saying it’s legal or right, but culture has a lot to do with why someone succeeds at an organization.

  43. mno*

    I’ve seen it in advertising, the arts, industrial, etc. (I’ve worked in two animal friendly places, and it was great) But I wouldn’t go so far as to all companies in these fields allow it. To be honest, it makes me wonder how much the OP looked into their field – this is such an odd thing! OP, did you take a job in a new geographic area?

  44. anonanonanon*

    Tough situation. I love dogs and my dogs are lazy gentle giant bums who love being around people and spend all day sleeping, but they don’t belong in the office. I often think that I’d love a dog friendly office, but I don’t want to deal with other people’s dogs at work in the same manner that I don’t want to deal with other people’s kids.

    I worry about the people who are afraid of dogs in addition to allergic. They shouldn’t have to deal with that situation at work, and shame on the company for not mentioning this in an interview. I’m allergic and wary of cats (some really bad experiences as a kid), and I know how people like to ridicule anyone afraid or wary of cats, and that has to be just as bad for people afraid of dogs. (I can deal with cats as long as I’m not near them, but if it was say, snakes, I wouldn’t even be stepping foot in the door because my phobia is that severe. I only mention this because a friend once worked in an office where a coworker would bring in his snake on pet friendly days)

    Is there a possibility of negotiating for one or two days of dogs in the office where you can work from home? This is a tough situation all around, and as a dog lover, you have my sympathies. I’d totally leave dogs at home if I knew someone was allergic, and coworkers who make a stink about their dogs versus your help are probably not nice, reasonable people.

    1. Katie the Fed*

      ” I’d totally leave dogs at home if I knew someone was allergic, and coworkers who make a stink about their dogs versus your help are probably not nice, reasonable people.”

      This. I love my dog, but 1) she’d be an unmitigated asshat in the office and 2) I realize I don’t have some inalienable right to have her with me all the time. If someone was nervous around her or just didn’t like her, I would gladly remove her. People > dogs (even though dogs are often more likeable)

      1. anonanonanon*

        Yes, agreed! I have to admit that as much as I love dogs, I sometimes raise an eyebrow when they’re in places like restaurants (and I mean this about pets, not service dogs). I have a Newfoundland and a Bernese Mountain Dog, and they tend to drool and slobber and shed, especially when there’s food around. There’s no way I’d feel comfortable inflicting that on strangers in a restaurant.

      2. Laurel Gray*

        “unmitigated asshat in the office” LMAO. Too bad it is so much work getting rid of these kinds that walk on two legs (and thank you AAM for helping us to deal with them in the meantime!).

      3. Barbara*

        This. 3 dogs, love them to pieces, but wouldn’t want them — or anyone else’s — with me at work for many many reasons, all listed in comments here.

    2. Moss*

      I’d leave my dog at home too. In fact, I’m kind of disappointed that the OP’s co-workers haven’t initiated this on their own. As an owner, I’m responsible for my dog’s behavior, his immunity to disease, and when we are in predominantly human areas other than my home, his odor and dander. If I worked in a dog office and it became obvious that a new co-worker was very allergic to dogs, I’d be talking to my co-workers immediately about possible solutions before the allergic person even had to ask.

      If the co-workers are indeed not interested in helping, then I would take that as a prediction of their behavior later on down the road if dogs were banned from the office.

      1. anonanonanon*

        Some people act about their dogs and cats the way other people act about their kids: believing that their pet or child is no problem and that EVERYONE will love them.

        Bringing a dog to work is certainly cheaper than paying for dog walkers or doggie daycare, but I wouldn’t make a fuss over it if it concerned someone else’s health, safety, or security. If someone is afraid or allergic to dogs, I’m not going to bring a dog into work (which is very different than if, say, they came to my apartment knowing that I had a dog).

      2. msbadbar*

        >>I’m kind of disappointed that the OP’s co-workers haven’t initiated this on their own.

        Right? I’m sure they see her sneezing non-stop and generally being physically miserable.

      3. AnonAnalyst*

        In fact, I’m kind of disappointed that the OP’s co-workers haven’t initiated this on their own.

        I hadn’t thought about it from that angle, but this is a great point. I would feel terrible if I found out that my pet was making someone else feel this bad. I certainly wouldn’t want to continue to bring him into the office to continue compounding the problem. That knowledge would basically kill all enjoyment of the perk for me, honestly.

        1. Joline*

          I think it’s probably in large part because there’s so many dogs. Some people probably had the thought but then rationalized with “well, Fido’s only one of 18-30 dogs, so if all the other dogs are still going to be here then I might as well bring Fido as well – one dog isn’t much of a difference.”

  45. The Other Dawn*

    I’m really surprised OP’s allergies didn’t kick up while she was interviewing. From the letter, it sounds like it’s severe enough that she would have been suffering before the interview barely got started. Was the OP interviewed off site maybe? And if it was on site, were all the dogs on hiatus that day?

  46. nerfmobile*

    I’ve worked in several offices with dog-friendly policies. Tech/online companies in the Pacific Northwest are particularly likely to offer this perk, but I suppose it might show up in other locations. The amount of usage of this perk varies greatly depending on the mix of people in the office and the details of the policies. In one office, the dogs could roam fairly freely, and there were usually one or two wandering around each day, even coming in to meetings with their owners. In my current office, dogs are required to be gated into their owner’s cubicle (which means that people in the “open-plan” space can’t bring in dogs) and aren’t allowed in meeting rooms or in the elevators. In this office, at one time there was a dog in my cube aisle that came in several times a week plus several others on my floor, but now I think there is only one person on a different floor who brings their dog in once a week or so.

    So, even if the OP’s industry has a lot of companies that are “dog friendly”, the actual circumstances can vary a lot. If they decide to look for a new position, they now know what to ask about….!

  47. Aileen*

    I agree it would be hard to say the employer has to ban the dogs -that’s going to cause resentment.
    I have allergies myself, and though I love dogs, could not realistically work in an office with them. I’m surprised that the whole interview process occurred without stepping foot in the office.

    I’m thinking that one accommodation they could try would be to thoroughly clean the carpet and walls in the OP’s office and then get one of those powerful HEPA aircleaners that would keep the air clean, and then hopefully the medication would help when they were outside of the office?

    Tough situation, I wish OP luck with whatever they decide.

  48. Paloma Pigeon*

    I’m married to someone with severe cat allergies and my son has multiple food allergies and asthma, so it’s pretty clear where I stand here, but my question is more philosophical: Since when did a perk carry more weight in a company culture than the right for individuals to maintain an office atmosphere that does not interfere with their ability to work and/or live? The sense of entitlement is crazy to me. They are DOGS. I love dogs and grew up with dogs and miss having them since half of my family is crazy allergic to them, but they are DOGS. How are they relevant to an office environment unless you work at a vet clinic? How do they affect good management? How do they get teams to work more efficiently? They are DOGS. Am I the crazy one?

    1. The Strand*

      No, you’re not crazy. They’re not relevant to an office environment, or good management.

      That said, having pets at work (assuming no one is allergic or seriously inconvenienced) has one major benefit, in that they lower human blood pressure and allow (non-allergic, animal-loving) people to relax. That won’t be the case if Cujo, rather than Chill-dog, is keeping the workers company, but it is one benefit of a well-behaved dog or cat.

      I enjoy seeing cats and dogs in bookstores, antique stores, and cafes. It’s definitely a perk, it’s definitely not a necessity. I’m convinced we’re talking about a super trendy place, and super trendy field, such as technology startups in San Francisco, Seattle or Austin. They don’t represent the lay of the land, and that’s OK, even for someone like me, an avowed animal lover.

  49. Chickaletta*

    First – Let me say that I love animals, I like pets, and I have a cat at home.

    But the fact that we’re even debating DOGS over PEOPLE is insane, ya’ll. Perspective here. The pet culture in America has really evolved over the last 30-40 years so that pets have been elevated to the same importance as human beings. I work with exchange students and many of them are very surprised at how important dogs are treated in the home. Many make comments that the dogs are treated better than guests or children in the home, and they have a point. The LW is another example of this. The fact that the dogs in the office are given more importance than her is just crazy; if they weren’t they would have been sent home already. That her coworkers are probably going to be more upset at leaving their dogs at home than they are over LW’s suffering and misery every day is crazy. Think about it.

    1. ElCee*

      I don’t think it’s a stretch or weird that someone is closer emotionally to their pet than to a coworker. I know I am. Of course we all know the difference intellectually between humans and animals–but it’s a degree of closeness. Pets are akin to family members for many people–you care for them and live with them day in and day out. That’s the way this culture is and I don’t think it’s bad at all.
      I think that pets in the workplace are inappropriate for reasons such as the OP described, and also because in general, work is not an appropriate place for your family members (unless you work in a family business etc.), so why is it appropriate for your pets?

    2. L*

      I’ll play devil’s advocate with this. If I were a coworker, I wouldn’t be irritated at the OP but I’d be annoyed that the company’s lack of preparation is now going to cost me money (dog walker/dog daycare) when it was a benefit of the job.

      1. Kat M*

        But if you worked in any other job, you’d prepare for it anyway. That’s what you do when you have a pet and that’s why it’s a perk and not a necessity.

        My company gives me free breakfast one day a week and covers my transportation costs. If I lost those perks, it would be a bummer, but I can get over that.

        And I don’t think Chickaletta is talking about people being emotionally closer to their pets than coworkers. I do think she’s noting that we tend to treat our animals better than our fellow human beings and I agree with her on that. A coworker’s LIFE above all things should matter more than people feeling entitled to bring their pets everywhere with them (and I live in a city where people literally bring their dogs everywhere).

        1. L*

          I think it entirely depends on the company and the way they pitch the in office dog thing. Obviously, I agree the company shouldn’t put someone’s life in danger, but I can also see people being frustrated especially if this has been in place for years.

          1. Suz*

            Agreed. Especially if someone too that job specifically because it was a dog-friendly office.

          2. Helka*

            Well, we know they didn’t pitch it to the OP at all, so it’s not unreasonable to assume that they didn’t do it for other employees either — meaning that they, like the OP, weren’t likely to know about it until they started, unless they specifically asked during the interview if they could bring a pooch along.

    4. Me*

      Yep. It’s very discouraging for those of us with allergies to be told that ‘your life just isn’t that important to me.’ :(

      1. arewehumanorarewedancer*

        +1

        “Sure, you SAY you have this issue, but that would inconvenince me for five minutes, so I’m going to ignore that and put you in the hospital for five days.”

    5. The Strand*

      I can’t agree. Your students are self-selecting into a certain lifestyle: upper middle class people who can afford to have an extra mouth to feed for the sake of cultural exchange, and are probably more likely to indulge fussy pets. In reality,way too many animals still get gassed or otherwise put down in the US. We still have issues with dog fighting, backyard breeders and Amish puppy mills, overbreeding, animals being dumped in park areas, people using feral cats for hunting practice. There are still too many people who knowingly leave animals OR children in hot cars. The outcry over Cecil the Lion doesn’t prove preference for animals over people, per se, but the fact that animals represent something simple and spiritual to a lot of people who are increasingly disconnected from one another. That said, you still have many people who treat animals like disposable tissue.

      Yes, there are ridiculous pet owners out there. The “doggy day care” we hired for one of our trips had a package that included the dog being read a bedtime story. Daily. There are indeed people who see their toy breed dog as a sort of fashion accessory. They have never represented the average dog or cat owner.

      Meantime, a person from Ireland or the United Kingdom may not be able to understand why so many cats, for example, are kept indoor-only, but they also live in a place where their animals will encounter much less risk from auto traffic, where a person can live their whole life without owning a vehicle. Similarly, a friend of mine moved to the US from a rural area in the Caribbean. She thought she’d just continue her lifestyle as she always had and let her dogs and cats run free. She just didn’t understand what coyotes could do to her cat or small dogs.

      I’m also guessing that some of your exchange students come from cultures where it’s expected that the cat gets kicked out during the day and the dog goes into the doghouse.

  50. AcidMeFlux*

    Maybe the company can invest some money in helping OP find another job through a placement/search agency.

  51. Decimus*

    You ought to check with building maintenance and have allergen-grade filters placed on the air returns. Being away from the dogs won’t help if a dog is sitting next to the air return and there’s a vent blowing air near the OP, and a lot of the cheapest air filters won’t actually stop allergens. The ones that will are more expensive but not unreasonably so, since they only need to be changed every six months.

  52. brightstar*

    My sympathies to the OP, this sounds like a terrible situation.

    If it comes down to having to remove the dogs from the office, what about the company agreeing to pay for doggie day care instead? I understand some employees still wouldn’t be happy, but the exposure element for the OP would be gone, the dogs wouldn’t be left at home alone all day, the employees wouldn’t have to bear the expense themselves, and if there’s enough dogs the company might get a discount rate. Dog care for dogs can be outrageously expensive, and this way the inconvenience wouldn’t be as great. If traveling to the doggie day care is a problem for some, that could be factored in as well.

    1. jenny*

      I don’t get why it’s a company’s responsibility to do this in the same way it isn’t their responsibility to pay for day care. When you get a dog it’s your responsibility to figure out how to take care of it for over a decade through different jobs and living situations. If you can’t afford to do that you shouldn’t own a dog.

      Having a perk is awesome but you’re not entitled to it.

      1. brightstar*

        Whoever said the company was responsible? I was throwing out an idea that might lessen the resentment of OP’s co-workers, who will likely be resentful judging from some of the other comments, and the fact that they are already resentful of her. It’s just an idea addressing a nearly impossible situation.

        1. neverjaunty*

          If these co-workers are resentful of the fact that OP has a medical condition caused by their pets, then maybe they’re the problem?

    2. Usually lurking*

      I with you on this. It’s not the company’s responsibility, but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a good way to replace one perk with another. I mean, perhaps people negotiated lower salaries in order to have this perk? (Doesn’t sound like it in this instance, but you can’t always be sure). If a company offered paid daycare for children onsite and then suddenly took it away you might expect that people would be upset. It’s all part of the calculus in deciding whether to take or keep a job.

  53. Fun & Games*

    (I normally read everything before posting, but I just HAD to get this in here so my apologies for anything already covered.)

    Shame on the company for not disclosing the dogs, but seriously….who takes a job without researching the company?!? The entire interview process should be two sided, with candidates getting to know employers as well. If OP had done some homework this could have been avoided.

    Agreeing to (permanently) work someplace I’ve never checked out personally feels so wrong to me I can’t see how such a thing could happen.

    I see absolutely NO long term upside to fighting the employer on the dog policy and the best move would be to move on.

    Even with ADA putting you in the right, you’d still have to hire ($$$PAY$$$) an attorney and if you win, then what? – – Everyone in the company hates you and makes your life hell in myriad ways going forward?
    – Company morale plummets and it even goes out of business.
    – Word will get around that you are a litigious individual and you’ll never find a position in that field or area ever again.

    Suing only looks to make sense if you are sure you will win, are sure you can afford it, and absolutely sure the position/settlement will last forever and another position would never be needed again.

    In cycling there’s a saying that you can assert your rights and always take the lane, but if a car hits you you’ll still be dead or horribly injured.

    1. Amber Rose*

      Really?

      When I research a company, I look at product/values/job requirements. It would never even occur to me to ask about pets. And since the employer didn’t mention it, and it isn’t advertised, blaming OP for not doing the research is a bit like telling me I didn’t study if I can’t name the capital of Spain on a math test.

      1. Kate*

        I agree. I didn’t even know dog-friendly offices were a thing (and I’m a bit appalled by it). Unless the employer disclosed it on their website or something, I think they are at fault for not mentioning it

      2. Fun & Games*

        Not at all talking about the pets thing, just talking about the location in general. Yes you should research the history of the company, the products and services and the founders/owners. Why wouldn’t you also research the location or the actual building(s),campuses etc involved as well?

        I had to relocate for my last job and I flew across country to check out the site and scout out a new place to live.

        Most people aren’t moving far or at all for a new position so it should be easy to drop by and check out the PHYSICAL location(s).

        1. Jill of All Trades*

          The last 2 companies I’ve worked for were high security and checking out the physical location prior to starting employment would not have been possible due to the clearances involved. Should I have turned down the job offers on the off-chance that there’s some unmentioned issue with the office?

        2. Amber Rose*

          I always do a drive by, but often there are bars to actually walking inside a building. My current workplace requires supervision of visitors and a bunch of paperwork due to safety concerns.

        3. Kelly O*

          I can honestly say as a general rule I don’t scout the building. I look at the location on a map, and if I have concerns about the neighborhood or my ability to get there in a certain amount of time, I’ll drive by, but I typically don’t do that looking for information on the company.

          And if there are other companies in the building, you can’t necessarily tell a lot about that one company from hanging out in the parking lot anyway. That’s very true for my current employer, who shares a building with a couple of different state government agencies, a trade school, an “insurance academy”, and some offices for more blue-collar companies with field folks coming in. And then us in a very different industry with very different corporate culture, dress codes, etc.

          I may be in the minority in that.

          1. Us, Too*

            We share parking areas and the building itself with other businesses as well. You aren’t alone, though we may be in the minority together. :)

          2. Jessa*

            I wouldn’t scout the building either, although if it’s in a place I’ve never been I might take a practise drive to make sure I know how to get there and how long it actually takes vs what the map says. If I really want the job I don’t want to be late to the interview because I got lost.

        4. Us, Too*

          My company has multiple locations in the same city. Am I supposed to visit them all prior my interviews? Do you think that they let strangers in off the street to tour the buildings? We don’t even have PARKING spots for strangers! LOL. And, besides that, looking at the outside of the buildings isn’t likely to produce any meaningful data about the working conditions inside.

        5. LBK*

          I’m really confused about what your expectation is – you think people should actually be checking out the *inside* of an office before they even interview or apply there? How can you even do that? Most offices have security that’s not going to let you past the lobby without a badge or someone to sign you in.

        6. TL -*

          My building is card-access only and parts of it are multi-step access restricted. And there are dogs in at least one office.

          Also, if it’s a small company, I’m going to guess that they’re going to notice a stranger walking through it (odd) and it’s not going to score you points on the potential employee score.

    2. neverjaunty*

      Your take on what happens if you talk to a lawyer is pretty silly. In the US, employment lawyers generally work on contingency. If a company goes out of business because it couldn’t be arsed to keep office pets away from allergic people, then you know, maybe it shouldn’t be in business. And no, it’s not true that ever talking to a lawyer means being blackballed from every industry forever. Not to mention that there is a lot of room for options in between ‘asserting your legal rights’ and ‘filing a civil lawsuit.’

      Melodramatic arguments are not helpful to the OP.

    3. AW*

      You’re seriously blaming the OP for not demanding to see the entire building, and not just the conference area the interview was held in, to check for dogs? Are you serious?

      I’ve seen people reach just to be able to blame the victim but this is ridiculous.

  54. Adam*

    At this point I think the most workable option might be for the OP to work out an agreement with her employer. She acknowledges that this environment is not good for her health so she begins a new job search and the employer makes whatever accommodation they can to help her until she finds a new role at a different company. This could include actively helping her in her job search to speed the process and possibly instituting a temporary ban on bringing non-service animals to the office. If her co-workers understand that said ban is only until she can find a new position and leave I’d hope most of them could respond reasonably.

  55. Anonymous from UK*

    This is my first time commenting – this has really annoyed me so much!

    OP definitely deserves to be accommodated here, whether people like it or not! There is a genuine health reason here, and as people have already commented, the dogs don’t need to be there for work to be done, but the OP does.

    I find it very sad that people are suggesting OP find a new field, all because others might lose out on a perk they don’t need to have. A perk that makes him/her very ill. OP has just as much right to go to work without any threats to their health as everybody else.

    I realize, of course, that people won’t like it and it might be difficult, but I feel people are putting too much weight on the opinions of other coworkers over this. OP, I hope the situation all works out!

    1. Amber Rose*

      It’s not so much that people are putting weight on the opinions of others, it’s that they’re being practical: you won’t enjoy your job if everyone at work hates you. And having been in toxic jobs, I’d go as far as to say the health impact of being poorly treated by coworkers and managers at work is on par with the health impact of allergies.

      1. Laurel Gray*

        Yes, this! I am totally on OP’s side here but I refuse to acknowledge the other very possible outcomes of the OP staying and this is one of them.

      2. Tau*

        Yeah, it’s like how Alison often warns LWs that her eminently reasonable advice may be taken badly and make the situation worse if the people they’re dealing with are not reasonable. It’s nice to talk about how the world should work, but if getting so invested in that that we don’t address how the world frequently works in practice is – I’d argue – irresponsible.

        In this case, LW is completely and utterly in the right… and yet could end up being ostracized at work if she pursues this. She’s the one who has to weigh what course of action is best for her, which includes things like whether she is up to dealing with possible retaliation or a severely negative atmosphere in the office if she pushes through an ADA claim to get rid of the dogs. It sucks to no end, but pretending it doesn’t won’t help LW either. :(

        1. Amber Rose*

          Workplace stress is costing Canada over 30 BILLION dollars in lost time and productivity. Of those affected, many will turn to alcohol and drugs, and others will have suicidal thoughts. I’m co-running a mental health awareness week at work, if I was at my desk I could be more precise.

          Don’t kid yourself. Toxic stress is deadly.

          1. Helka*

            That’s a whole lot less immediate than “Surprise! Your throat is closing up now!”

      4. Anonymous from UK*

        Its true that you won’t enjoy your job if everyone hates you. But would people really hate OP over something like this? It’s not OP’s fault they’re causing her so much illness at work. :(

        Management making OP the blame wouldn’t help – perhaps they could frame it some other way, and like somebody below has mentioned, this perk could be replaced with a different one!

        I personally feel like the coworkers will be okay after some time, and they’ll get over it. A fellow coworker’s health comes first, and I’m sure they would want the same consideration if they were in OP’s position.

    2. AnotherFed*

      There’s also the difficulty of handling potential retaliation over requesting this accommodation. Yes, the law does cover retaliation, but it’s not exactly a cakewalk to deal with the situation – you still have to deal with the retaliation in a professional way, find some way to support yourself (and possibly pay a lawyer) while you put together and follow through on a lawsuit, and then even if you win, you’ll win money that probably isn’t enough to retire on, so you have to find new employment after suing your last employer (and that’s likely to be a matter of public record that could show up if a potential future employer investigates you).

    3. CuhPow*

      But how would the company feel about hiring OP if those accommodations made everyone else go to a competitor with the perks that they enjoyed or relied on? If one or two or eight people left over it, I think it’s silly of the OP to have stayed when r adorably they could have found another position. If I started at a company and a bunch of people left because of me, I’d not enjoy that job anymore. The OP is trying so hard because they feel they really like the job and want to stay. I’m assuming that means not only benefits and type of work, but office culture, management, etc. When the office culture and management changes their attitude toward him or morale goes to crap, etc, will be still like it? How awful would he be received in his field if he demanded accommodations and determined he didn’t like the job anymore and left?

  56. jenny*

    A lot of people keep saying “just find another job” but the question asker points out this is now rampant at every job in certain fields. I can corroborate this. Especially in tech, it’s seen as a cool think to have office dogs. If you can’t live without bringing your dog to work perhaps you need to find a way to work from home? Gee limiting your job options like that sucks, doesn’t it?

    I get that it’s a perk people like but you’re putting someone’s life in jeopardy. The peanut example is a good one–lots of schools have banned peanuts in lunch bags and it’s not a huge hardship.

    I have been told by well meaning coworkers that no one can be allergic to dogs. It’s not seen as a real medical issue.

    1. De Minimis*

      I had a job interview a while back where the dog was a major distraction, the owner kept letting her in the conference room, and apparently she is given the run of the entire place.

      But at least he was 100% open even during the initial contact about the situation, asking if I was okay with working in an office with a dog. I am, within limits, though I see it as one of those annoying things you sometimes have to put up with these days. I have dogs, I enjoy their company, but think they should remain at home.

  57. NinaK*

    Hi OP =) This sounds awful, so sorry you are going through this. I read your letter twice and scrolled through all of the comments and hope I am not repeating what others have said or misunderstanding your work situation …

    It sounds like you are appreciative of the accommodations made for you but they are not working. The higher ups must realize that you have a strong ADA issue and they may need to reverse their dog decision. Can you explain that the accommodations are not working out and that the only options available are no dogs in the office or OP finds another job, that they would reach out to their network and help you find a suitable, well paying job to ease the transition? Maybe they can leverage their networks, sing your praise, walk you a new role elsewhere?

    Don’t misunderstand … I don’t think you SHOULD be the one to accommodate them. But, if the current situation is unbearable then maybe it will be a win for all of you. I know from your letter that you love the job and the company so it may not work … just another idea.

    For what it is worth, I have a dog but I would not want him or any other dog in my office. Before I had a family (and kids who wanted a dog) I was not a dog person. In my mid 20s I went to a job interview, was left in a conference room to wait and a huge shaggy dog wandered in and tried to cuddle with me. I was sort of trying to shoo it away while make cooing noises for the benefit anyone listening while brushing dog hair off my suit before the woman came back etc etc.

    Good luck!! Keep us posted!

  58. Darcy*

    At a former job dogs were all of a sudden allowed because our new office manager loved them. It created lots of issues. There was dog doo in offices when people walked in in the morning, someone tried to place a paper on the office manager’s desk when she wasn’t there and got bit, we had an employee (who was struggling financially) with a severe allergy who couldn’t afford to pay for the allergy meds, people with other types of pets were angry that their pet wasn’t welcome, and our workers’ comp insurance didn’t cover the pets at work. So the dog friendly work place didn’t last. It would have been nice if it could have, but sometimes these experiments just don’t pan out. While I know it’s nice for most people to be able to pet an animal and relieve stress, companies have to think about everyone impacted.

  59. Kate*

    Dog-friendly workplaces are a thing now?? Ugh, I like dogs but I absolutely would not want to work in an office full of them (a single service animal I could deal with). To me that is just as distracting as people bringing their kids to the office. I decided to have a child and work, so I put my child in daycare; if you want to have a pet and work full time, you need to arrange appropriate care.
    I don’t have allergies but I was bitten by a loose dog in my early twenties and have been very cautious around other people’s dogs since then. But even if that were not the case, some people (like the OP) have allergies or are just not dog people (or are dog people and would be distracted by having lots of dogs around). I confess that I’m a little floored by some of the commenters saying that people should be able to continue to bring in their dogs even when it endangers a co-worker’s health

  60. INFJ*

    This is probably an Unpopular Opinion, but I think having a dog-friendly office is a horrible idea.

    Just the other day, I was thinking about how awesome it would be to have my cat at work, but then I started thinking about the practicality of it and ruled it out in less than 2 minutes. Even generally well-trained and well-behaved dogs aren’t going to be perfect angels all the time: drooling, peeing accidents, growling, whining, and barking are just the beginning of the potential issues. Other distractions: having to take the dog out to walk, taking time to feed it, all the times it gives you those adorable puppy eyes and you can’t help but stop and pet it for 5 minutes.

    Plus all the potential drama: What if Wakeen isn’t as compliant with the leash laws of the office and Ghost keeps wandering into your cubicle throughout the day, dropping his tennis ball at your feet? Or what if Nimeria just doesn’t seem to like you and you don’t feel comfortable around her? Suddenly you have to deal with all your coworkers’ dogs’ personalities in addition to your coworkers’.

    Oh, and I almost forgot to mention- so many people are allergic!

    If a company wants to be accomodating to pet owners, a doggy day-care should do the trick!

    For the OP, I think a reasonable effort should be made to accomodate with a personal office that is dog-free. If anyone side-eyes over that, just tell them that the alternative is Lady can’t come to the office any more!

    1. Helka*

      Ugh, no, I’m totally with you! I dislike dogs, and I would be pretty unhappy to be working in an office with them. No allergies or phobias on my part, just growing up with a large and poorly-trained dog left me permanently Done with the vast majority of canines in the world.

    2. Chameleon*

      I would be *SO* angry if I found out on the first day that my new work had dogs running all over. I’m not allergic, I’m not phobic, I just don’t really like having to deal with other people’s nasty smelly balls of slobber coming over and sticking their nose in my crotch. “Oh, he’s so friendly!” Great, can you make him a little more standoffish?

      I love cats, but I realize there are a lot of people who don’t like cats and that’s okay. I have a baby, and I realize there are a lot of people who don’t like babies and that’s okay. But tell people you don’t like dogs and suddenly you are worse than Stalin.

      1. GOG11*

        According to a quick Google search, Stalin had a dog.

        “Her name was Milka. How could you not like dogs? Even Stalin liked dogs. GOD EW.” (said in Jimmy Kimmel’s Sarah/EW song voice)

        I love all animals, including dogs. I grew up with dogs. But…dogs can be terrible. Some of them smell bad, drool, jump on things, exhibit really weird behaviors (herding breeds, anyone?), chew things, lean on you, sit on you, beg, whine, bark, and, yes, ram their noses into crotches. But aside from all that, why does everyone have to like dogs? “I don’t like dogs” doesn’t mean “I kick puppies in my spare time.”

    3. INFJ*

      I forgot to add- if I were brining my dog to work as part of a perk, and found out that the new hire was EXTREMEMLY allergic to dogs, I would feel awful that I was making him or her miserable.

      I mean… if I shared a desk with someone deathly allergic to peanuts, I wouldn’t be eating PBnJs at my desk every day, would I?

  61. AthenaC*

    Side question – is anyone allergic to babies?

    Might be a relevant question for the bring-your-baby-to-work policies. :)

    1. Adam*

      I think I’ve tried that before. I don’t dislike kids. I just really don’t know what to do with them until the reach the age of…eight or so which is probably why I will never have kids. I can barely keep a houseplant alive as it is.

      1. AthenaC*

        Believe me, no one was more surprised than I when I managed to keep not just one but three babies alive.

        If you are so inclined in the future, don’t be discouraged – parenting is very much an on-the-job training environment. Ideally, you will also have a partner you can switch off with.

    2. Biff*

      I find the smell of them gag-inducing and I do have a bad reaction to baby powder smell. Does that count?

    3. stellanor*

      I have minor sensory integration issues and baby noises make me want to rip off my own ears, does that count?

  62. Cheryl Becker*

    As a dog owner and dog lover, I totally understand the attachment the other employees have to their dogs–and how lucky they are that they can bring them to work every day!! BUT as a human being, and as someone who teaches about management, including personnel management, I can totally understand the conundrum of the OP. (And I also have allergies, too–but to cats!)
    I also understand where those of you are coming from who totally frown on the dogs allowed workplace.
    So, I say, no really easy answers here. It depends on how “hard line” the OP wants to be. Yes, the ADA is on her side, but as Alison says, does she really want to be the one to end this popular practice?

  63. Helka*

    One thing that occurs to me, as we’re talking about how much resentment it would cause and how difficult it would be for the employer to end the pet-friendly perk…

    Why not substitute it out? When they announce that they’re ending the “dogs welcome in the office” policy, announce at the same time that instead they’re enacting some other equally generous and fun perk that doesn’t run the risk of aggravating allergies.

    And truth is, they wouldn’t even need to single out the OP for that. “Due to some changing business needs, we’re reworking our bonus and perk structure. Sadly, this means that bringing your dog to the office is no longer going to be something we can accommodate, but on the other hand, we’re putting a giant TV and every gaming console you’ve ever heard of in the break room! Building-wide tournaments will be held quarterly, and the winner gets a T-shirt of Samus Aran…*”

    And then, yes, when people ask, the company can point out that they rejiggered the perk structure in order to make sure that going forward they weren’t going to have issues with some people’s perks causing health challenges and the attendant ridiculous medical bills for others (especially since the company would be eating the bill via increased health insurance costs!) Or just hide behind the perpetual “business needs” excuse if they’d rather.

    Basically, long story short, there are way more politic ways to handle removing the perk that are less likely to result in bitterness toward the OP directly.

    *Substitute with an appropriately fun reward here

    1. AthenaC*

      +1 – this is genius!

      Keep it up-beat, nonnegotiable, with a firm and unapolagetic “This is the way we’re going now!”

    2. Green*

      That’s a great idea that an awesome boss would do to protect their employee from being ostracized and provide an alternate perk.

    3. Sunshine Brite*

      The alternate perk should be pet boarding/doggy day care at the nearest place offered.

      1. Amber Rose*

        OK, honest question: why is this seriously a thing?

        My parents worked, and I schooled and worked part time, and the dogs got the house to themselves. They are dogs, not infants. They don’t need 24/7 attention. Fill their bowls and provide them a place to pee.

        1. GOG11*

          We only crated a handful off dogs over the years and those were the ones that had demonstrated they couldn’t handle being free while my parents were away. Granted, most of our dogs were rather large breeds (who had rather large bladders), but they were just fine for 6-8 hours. The last person let them out right before leaving and the first person home let them out as they were coming in the house (we had a fenced-in yard).

          If someone worked really long hours during the week and couldn’t give their dog access to a place to use the bathroom, I could see why doggy day care would be a good idea. Or if the dog is really high energy and needs more enrichment than the owner can provide due to the work schedule.

        2. Sunshine Brite*

          From a rural area with outside dogs, no problem.

          City inside dogs who’ve had access to their owners as needed throughout the workday, problem to transition to being gone for hours at a time without other dogs to play with.

        3. Usually lurking*

          Why not? Sure, I can leave my dog in his crate for 8-9 hours a day and he’ll be fine. No accidents or anything. Or I can take him somewhere he can play all day and he’ll come home happy and exhausted. I should just not do that because you think it’s weird?

          1. Amber Rose*

            Or you could not put the dog in a crate. Again, it’s a dog, not a toy. It seems cruel to put them away when you’re not using them, like they’re objects.

            1. Katie the Fed*

              Most dogs are quite happy in crates – it becomes their den. Their safe, happy place. My dog reports to her crate after her morning walk and naps all day until we get home. Then we go out and play catch, go on a nice long walk, and she snuggles with us the rest of the night. People who think crate training is cruel really don’t understand dogs.

              1. stellanor*

                My dog puts HIMSELF in his crate every night. I take him outside before I get ready for bed and when we come back in he hops in there and curls up. Right now it’s hot so he doesn’t usually go in there during the day because he prefers to crash in front of a fan, but in cooler weather he just hangs out in there during the day as well.

                Frequently when I open the crate in the morning he opts to have a lie-in and stays in there for a bit longer. Sometimes on a weekend I’ll open the door at 8am and he won’t shift his lazy butt until 10! (In his favor, it looks VERY comfy in there. He has a nice soft bed and a fluffy blanket he’s piled up in a manner that seems to please him.)

                I can actually sympathize a lot with his love of the crate. As a child I used to spend a lot of my free time hanging out in my walk-in closet, and at one point actually tried to convince my parents to just let me have a bed in there.

            2. Usually lurking*

              Agreed with Katie the Fed, you clearly have very little understanding of dogs.

        5. AnotherFed*

          The only places I’ve seen that let dogs come to the office were also expecting employees to be at the office for very long days. Dogs don’t need 24/7 attention, but more than 10 hours without a bathroom break is a long time to hold it for many dogs. Expecting them to regularly go that long or longer without urinating also tends to increase the chances of urinary system complications and dehydration, just like it does in people.

          Older dogs, puppies, and special needs dogs are another story – they tend to need a lot more care (or at least more frequent care) then the average adult dog.

  64. Dasha*

    Where were the dogs when you interviewed, OP? Why didn’t they give you a tour of the office? Not having an office tour seems pretty unusual to me or maybe it was an after hours interview or something?

  65. baseballfan*

    I agree this person is in a no win situation. It sounds like all possible accommodations, short of removing the dog-friendly policy, are not working. I do think the law is on her side. Her health trumps the others’ enjoyment of this perk. But if she pushes to have it changed, she will have to live with being “that person.” Whether it’s right or wrong, it is reality. Does she really want to die on this hill?

    I love dogs. I volunteer with animal rescue and I have four of my own. But I still am not convinced dogs are a great thing for the office. Most of the time it would be great but I can see the issues with distraction, cleanup, and possible bites.

    As an aside, the author of that Amazon article sounds like a drama queen and perpetual victim. I can’t believe I actually made it to the end of that long rambling article. I must have too much time on my hands.

    1. VintageLydia USA*

      “Does she really want to die on this hill?”

      Considering the severity of allergy, that is a literal consequence. So yeah, she might be.

      1. baseballfan*

        I understand the health issue. My point is that the options aren’t limited to: 1) management disallows all dogs as accommodation and 2) employee suffers life-threatening reaction. There is a 3rd option which is to leave. I am not suggesting this is the right or best answer. But for some, it might be the chosen answer. Honestly, it probably would be for me. But I would find it difficult to handle being resented at work in that way. Someone with thicker skin might not feel the same.

      2. AMG*

        And also she is trying to support herself after a long job search. So there’s that in addition to the dying thing.

    2. Kyrielle*

      In this case, “is this the hill to die on?” is an unfortunate phrase to invoke. Because that might actually be a literal consequence of not being That Person. If I were the OP, I would absolutely consider this “the hill to die on” rather than literally dying. Coworkers loathing me would cause me a great deal of stress – I am conflict-averse – and stress isn’t so great for one of my health issues. But that health issue isn’t deadly, and this allergy from the sounds of it very well could be, especially if made worse by continued exposure.

      1. Sunshine Brite*

        This. The company needs to accommodate and if there aren’t satisfactory accommodations, the company needs to consider providing her with her salary and perks or the financial equivalent of the perks until she finds a similar position elsewhere.

    3. Helka*

      But if she pushes to have it changed, she will have to live with being “that person.” Whether it’s right or wrong, it is reality. Does she really want to die on this hill?

      Honestly, I don’t see why the OP needs to be That Person at all. This should be a business decision, coming down from management, rather than devolving down to the OP — just like peanut butter bans at schools are administrative decisions coming from the administration, not the responsibility of the child(ren) who would like to not die for their education or their parents who would like them to not die for education.

      1. The IT Manager*

        You’re being idealistic. We don’t live in an ideal world. Reality of most people’s thought processes = We could bring pets into the office until LW was hired. She had allergies and now we can’t.

        It doesn’t matter if management has a sudden change of heart about their dog friendly workplace, LW will get the blame unless the new dog free workplace policy is invoked without anyone knowing about her allergy. IMO that is the only situation where she doesn’t get blamed by some upset dog owners – if they don’t know.

    4. Naomi*

      I am very nervous around dogs and would prefer not to be around them at work. The author of the Amazon article has all my sympathy; it sounds like Amazon made noises about accommodating people who didn’t want to be around dogs, but in practice made employees jump through hoops to get a dog-free space.

  66. CMD - UK*

    As a manager, I would 100% nix the dogs in the office. A staff member’s right to /breathe/ trumps anyone’s right to be around their dog all day (unless it is a service animal). I actually find it ridiculous that this is even a question.

    There are things the employer could do to try to smooth this out – flexible lunch breaks to go home and walk the dog, trying to do a deal with a local doggie day care facility for reduced rates for employees or fund x places. But at the end of the day, health trumps desires.

  67. Applesauced*

    I agree with most commenters here – human health comes first, and OP’s company was dumb to have never mentioned dogs in the interview process.
    It sounds like the best case scenario for the OP is either a) they find a new job at a dog free office, or b) OP’s current office becomes dog-free. If B were to happen, would it be reasonable for a dog owner to negotiate for a raise to offset the new costs (dog walker, sitter, or daycare) that result from the policy change?

    1. Helka*

      It would be reasonable for them to renegotiate if needed, but most dogs can handle being alone for a workday. And raises aren’t the only option — a slightly shortened workday, offset scheduling so the dog-owner isn’t contending with rush hour traffic lengthening their away-from-home time, or if they live close by, a longer lunch break so they can run home and let Fido out to do his business mid-day. If people are willing to be flexible, there are a lot of ways to handle it.

      1. fposte*

        Abstractly, I think it would be kind of interesting to see if the office is willing to be dog-friendly in those ways, rather than just ways that are associated with looking cool.

        1. Helka*

          Yeah, I agree. It’s something that has come up on here before, usually with regard to parents and/or wellness — is the company willing to do the things that look less awesome splashed across a press release but do more to actually help those who need it?

      2. Mary Contrary*

        Honestly, I think those are even nicer perks than dogs in the office because they would benefit all employees, not just those whose dogs can handle being in an office all day. Schedule flexibility is a huge perk that can help a lot of people balance their work and personal lives. And it doesn’t require actually bringing personal lives into the office.

    2. Koko*

      I would have to say no. Similar to how if your company moved offices to a new one across town, you can’t really ask for a raise because you used to be able to walk to work and now you can’t. It just sort of sucks to lose the benefit, especially when losing the benefit has a financial cost to you, but at the same time your lifestyle expenses (where you choose to live, what pets you choose to adopt) aren’t factored into your company’s assessment of fair salary compensation (even if you privately factor it into your decision of what salary you require). They base your salary on the value of the work you provide–and on top of that, while allowing dogs at work may have saved employees money, it didn’t cost the company much if anything to provide the benefit, but increasing salary for all dog owners would absolutely have a cost.

      Want to really open a can of worms? What happens if the non-dog-owning employees complain that they didn’t get the raise? What if someone has a dog that isn’t very good with people or other dogs, and so they’ve been leaving their dog at home – do they not get the raise because they’ve been paying for a dog walker all along anyway and it’s not a new expense? If someone’s dog dies or their spouse becomes a stay-at-home spouse and is now available to watch the dog, does their salary get docked because they no longer need to pay for doggy daycare?

      So, no. Although it sucks, losing a benefit that was financially valuable doesn’t really constitute grounds for asking for a salary increase in this way.

  68. Pretend Scientist*

    While I realize that OP has a legal right to accommodation, if I were in the situation, I would be negotiating severance and looking for another job.

    I am a cat person. Nothing against dogs, but I simply don’t like them. I do have asthma, but not triggered by dogs. It’s more of a culture/personality fit, I think. I don’t want dogs all around me, I don’t want to have to hear how awesome or cute your dog is, just no. I would rather just bow out, while requesting some leeway, severance and time-wise, given that this dog-friendliness was not disclosed during the interview process.

    Though it would be illegal to retaliate, let’s be realistic: nobody (or most employees) is going to be thrilled with the OP. It’s likely a huge perk, and I wouldn’t want to be the one ruining it for everyone, even if the law was on my side. I think it would make for a difficult work environment. This isn’t like putting up Braille signs or building a ramp, widening a doorway for a wheelchair, etc.. This is requiring everyone (or the numerous dog owners, at least) to change their daily routines. I think it’s a bad situation and the OP should just leave.

  69. Techfool*

    I think I heard somewhere that some cultures/ religions see dogs as unhygienic within the home, never mind at work. Would that need to be accommodated?
    doggy offices aren’t a thing in London so I find the whole idea rather strange.

    1. Katie the Fed*

      This is an interesting question – I don’t know! Muslims generally consider dogs unhygienic, at least for them to be living in the house, but the religion isn’t specifically anti-dog. I did absolutely horrify an Egyptian friend once when I told him my dog sleeps in my bed. Ha.

      Probably depends on the person and the issue. I know some grocery stores have put signs on certain checkout lanes asking that customers buying pork use different lanes. But then I also know many grocery stores around here have Muslim cashiers who clearly don’t have an issue with it. Everyone is so different, ya know?

  70. Stella*

    I got pulled into my bosses office today to be told that a co-worker has just discovered she is allergic to cats and dogs. I have dogs at home, they don’t come into work with me and I ensure that everything I wear is freshly laundered BUT she is still itching apparently. She does have other allergies but I have been asked if I can keep a different wardrobe at work and will be moved into a corner, away from her. I am really upset as I can see I will have to look for another job.

    2. KRFP*

      Shouldn’t your employer have to bear the cost of this accommodation? Including laundry service since your home laundry doesn’t sufficiently sanitize your clothing for this individual?

    3. E*

      You will be moved into a corner? Why on earth can’t she move since she’s the one with the allergy? It does sound like the company is taking this out on you, even though you’ve done all you can.

    4. Joline*

      Well, and that’s kind of the thing I wonder with the OP – if so many people in the office have dogs at home is she going to be okay even if the dogs aren’t physically in the office? I am a night bather and my dog sleeps in my bed. I am sure that I am covered in fur and dander when I come to work.

  71. Elizabeth West*

    *sigh* I never get in here before there are a ton of comments. I’m trying to work my way through them all.

    If I were the OP, I might decide to find another job rather than change the whole dynamic of the workplace, but at the same time, that really doesn’t seem quite fair. As I said upthread, the other employees’ resentment would be misplaced here–the OP didn’t choose to have an allergy. It’s the company who obviously didn’t think this through.

    I know people love to have doggies in the office, but IMO, if a coworker is at imminent risk of serious illness or death due to this perk, it’s time to chuck it. I’m with Bryan Cavanaugh on this one–it’s nice, but it’s not necessary for the continued operation of the business.

    And they are dogs. Unless we’re talking about service animals, the employees do not need their dogs with them at all times. I bet most of the dogs can be cared for outside the employee’s workplace in various ways, and they will be fine. People who can’t be without their precious poopsie for five minutes (I am not talking about people whose dogs are elderly, ill, fostering, need service dogs, etc., so please don’t pile on me) need an attitude adjustment. Your choice to have pets is just that–YOUR choice. I would not have expected to take Psycho Kitty with me on vacation—when I go out of town, I pay a pet sitter to take care of her. If I can’t arrange to do that, I don’t go. If I couldn’t take care of her for whatever reason, I would have tried to find a different home for her when she was dumped on me rather than kept her. She’s my problem and no one else’s.

    This isn’t going to go away. The company may hire other people with allergies or have clients visit who have them (if possible; I don’t know what kind of business it is). It’s better to deal with it now.

    Also, I don’t know why the OP would have thought to ask if there were dogs in the office up front. It’s so uncommon in most offices (I work in financial tech services and we don’t have dogs, but some of our other offices might) that most people wouldn’t think to ask about it, even if they were allergic. You just don’t expect to see dogs at work. Or cats.

    However, for future reference, if I were that severely affected, I might start asking in interviews if anyone in the company has a service dog they bring to work regularly. That could open up the conversation so the OP can find out if dogs are an issue there.

    One more thing—if people have dogs that need special care and this company is so gosh darnity doo dog friendly, THEY SHOULD LET PEOPLE TELECOMMUTE. Not knowing what they do, I don’t know if this is feasible, but if it’s not, then perhaps this is another reason the dog thing needs to go. At the very least, they could try to negotiate a discount with a doggy day care.

  72. Ellen N..*

    To the OP: I’m sorry you’re in such a tough situation. I wish I had a good solution to offer.

    To the posters who are judgmental about people being disappointed about losing the ability to bring their dogs to work: Some of these people may have set up their living arrangements based on working in a dog friendly office. Many companies that allow employees to bring their dogs to work expect employees to work long hours. Many doggy day care facilities are not open very early or very late. Therefore if the employees live in apartments, they would need to hire dog walkers which is a large expense. Although most people will make accommodations to protect a coworker’s health it can be difficult to not feel disappointed.

    As the OP states that a dog friendly work environment is the norm in his/her field, the interviewers may have believed that it didn’t need to be mentioned. I’m sure that in the future they will make sure that potential employees are made aware of this policy.

    1. VintageLydia USA*

      Childcare centers are open the same hours doggie day care is and parents are expected to make it work. Dog care is cheaper and less necessary (most dogs don’t need medication or whatever other reason people need more-than-normal care for their dogs.) You can train a dog to use the bathroom in a litter box or pee pad, or install a doggie door to allow them to go outside if you have a yard. If you have to work super long hours you’re probably not taking that dog on very long walks or other things to allow them to expend extra energy anyway. There is always the option to rehome the dog if your lifestyle doesn’t allow you to properly care for it.

    3. BananaPants*

      As VintageLydia said, employees with young children are expected to provide care to their kids and make it work without their employers letting them bring kids to the office. A week ago there was furor over bringing babies to the office, but somehow when we substitute “dog” for “baby” it’s OK to be disappointed that Fido can’t come to work anymore?

      I suspect many “dog friendly” offices in the tech world are places where folks are expected to work obscene hours and many amenities are provided to keep workers at the office rather than having actual work-life balance. There are likely few parents in those companies, much less dual-income or single parent households, because most parents wouldn’t voluntarily choose to leave their kid with a nanny for 70-80 hours a week. For working parents, ensuring that they have suitable daycare, after school care, etc. is expected because the overwhelming majority of us can’t (and wouldn’t want to) bring our kids to work. I don’t see how having to finding a dog walker or paying for doggie daycare is any different for a dog owner working in such a demanding work environment.

      We’ve really reached a weird point where in some areas, dogs are treated like people. They’re not. They’re dogs.

        1. Curious George*

          I find it disturbing that there are so many comments on this thread that seem to suggest that “since we are not discussing babies or child care” , this is an easy to issue to resolve or since pets are not babies, the pet owner’s concerns ( about their pet) are automatically invalid.

          OP did not mention babies. Why does it keep coming up in this discussion?

  73. amapolita*

    I feel like this situation is a great argument against offering these make-the-workplace-fun perks in general. I feel like oftentimes they’re an easy way for employers to boost morale or attract new employees without spending more money, but they aren’t always well-thought through.

    How many employers out there are really nailing the basics? Good pay and regular raises, enough PTO and a culture that allows you to use it, excellent healthcare, generous 401k matching, ample paid leave for paternity/maternity/sabbaticals, a true commitment to work-life balance. If you’ve got those down and still need more to compete in your market, then I guess you should look into some of the more gimmicky perks (and think them through, because this employer didn’t). But I can confidently say that most companies in my area have a long way to go on most of the above.

  74. Kadee*

    I think for it to ever work, there has to be a dog-free zone so that when they invariably employ someone who doesn’t like dogs, is afraid of dogs, or has dog allergies, they have a “safe zone” where dogs do not enter. I understand that this may seem difficult, but I’ve worked at numerous places where growth led to a need to re-allocate space. It’s amazing how creative companies can suddenly get when they have a need for more room! If there are only one or two, perhaps a conference room becomes a private office area for them. If there are more than a couple of people, perhaps you have sections of an entire building off-limits.

    The thing is, even people who love dogs may not want them around while they’re focused on the job at hand. Conference rooms should also be kept dog free. While the person with allergies may have an issue passing through to the conference room, my guess is that it would be significantly better than having to sit openly exposed to animals for several hours a day.

    Dogs in the work place can work, but only if you permit a way to limit exposure to those who don’t want to be around them.

  75. FYI*

    “Is there a spray or something that can be put on the dogs that would keep them from spreading allergens?”

    There is absolutely no such thing. This would kill a dog. What people are allergic to is the hair follicles/skin dander of certain dogs (certain breeds like Poodles don’t shed this dander as much and therefore are much better for people who are allergic. However, there is NO.SUCH.THING as a Hypo-allergenic dog).

    1. Biff*

      Hypo means low, so yes, there is such a thing as a hypo (lower) allergenic dog.

      There is no such thing as a NON allergenic dog.

  76. Nelly*

    I work in a dog friendly college, in a limited sense in that one person is allowed bring her dog in. At first I liked it, but it’s impossible to eat lunch without a dog slobbering on my leg (we’re not allowed to feed her dog, but she doesn’t keep it out of the lunch room), and it’s started barking and growling at students. It’s not just allergies and phobias, but the concern the dog could savage a student at some point. It’s a large labradoodle, and although she hasn’t bitten anyone, she is certainly prone to being aggressive. Dog friendly seems nice on the surface, but it’s just not practical in reality.

  77. AW*

    Should this come down to the company having to stop letting dogs in the office, they absolutely better make sure the OP doesn’t take the backlash for this. This situation is 100% their fault. They should have disclosed this during the hiring process. Heck, they should have mentioned this in the job posting and/or on their web site. This isn’t one person with a service dog, it’s several people with dogs. How did they not plan for this exact issue?

    OP, do not feel bad for making sure you can physically do your job. Not being exposed to an allergen that could kill you is not only not to much to ask for, it’s part of the bare minimum of a safe and comfortable work environment.

  78. I cannot assume host prerogatives without payment*

    I’m late to the party, but oh well.

    I love dogs. A lot. But I’m highly allergic to cats – I’m guessing to at least the same extent that OP is allergic to dogs. It is really freaking bad: running nose, watering eyes, itching, difficulty breathing, the whole array of obnoxious symptoms. I’ve sometimes wondered what would happen if I ended up working somewhere with a “we love cats” policy. And now I have some idea.

    Putting the OP in a special office somewhere isn’t going to fix the problem, I mean: I assume that OP has to occasionally leave their office, go to meetings, visit co-workers in their offices, etc?

    I think if I were management at this company, I would get everyone together and tell them: “Look, it’s been a nice perk, but its time has come to an end. I know you love your dogs, and I love them, too. But we’re talking about a human being’s health and livelihood. Dogs are no longer allowed in the office. AND … I hope that we can all be adults about this. Because nobody wants this. And I want to remind you all that we are a company that has always respected our workers. We have always had no tolerance for any kind of retaliation, bullying, or other behavior directed towards our fellow employees. And this policy remains in place, unchanged, and will be zealously enforced.” Or words to that effect.

    1. Dynamic Beige*

      “But we’re talking about a safety and liability issue. Dogs are no longer allowed in the office.” Because frankly, management should take the hit on this.

      Pointing out that a few people have health issues related to dogs isn’t going to show that this is a top down decision, but the fault of a minority of people making complaints. Genuine, valid complaints about their health and ability to earn a living but as the debate has shown, some people’s disbelief that allergies are a thing or another person’s right to breathe shouldn’t trump my right to bring in my dog are considered “better” or “more important”. Because the day that one of these dogs does something — bites an employee, gets in the conference room and eats the sandwiches that were set up for a meeting, runs away when someone else walks it, gets stolen, attacks another dog, kills the CEO’s Jack Russell — and a no-more-dogs policy comes down, that person who couldn’t control their dog would be blamed just as much as the allergic person who couldn’t do their job because they couldn’t breathe.

      1. I cannot assume host prerogatives without payment.*

        I can be good with that phrasing, as well.

        Really, the point I wanted to make is that, in the end, I think management has to end the dog-perks. It won’t be easy. *And* management has to be serious about not allowing retaliation.

        I think someone up above proposed an anonymous survey to find out how the employees *really* felt about dogs at the office, and that strikes me as a good (if sneaky) idea. I mean, you’re hoping the survey will help the case that dogs must go. And it’s not at all impossible that it might do just that. It’s almost a trope in business how a small, very vocal group of people can keep Practice X going year after year while everyone else hates Practice X.

  79. Krystal*

    Even if management couches this as a business decision, and not due to OP’s allergies … her coworkers are going to figure it out for themselves that it’s related to OP’s needs.

    1. Biff*

      According to OP — she appeared briefly, they already have vilified her for ruining the fun. I think this is a lost cause.

  80. Nicky*

    Bottom line is… apparently having dogs in the office is a part of the culture at this job, and quite frankly, working in a place that could literally kill me would be a deal breaker for me. So would being forced to go to the doctor on a very regular basis and having a copay every time, not to mention the expense of all the allergy medication. I’d be looking at my other employment options. You have to look at the big picture. I love dogs, but I’d never dream of taking mine to work with me. I’d hate to think how unprofessional I’d look to the people in senior positions to me that I’d be looking to to promote me eventually, but of course, this is not something even considered in my line of work. We can’t even have plug-in air fresheners here for the risk of being an irritant to anyone’s health.

  81. Snargulfuss*

    I haven’t read through all of the comments (there are a lot of them!), but I think it’s a little odd that a week or so ago just about everyone was totally against a “bring your child to work” type of workplace and here there are so many people in favor of dog-friendly workplaces. A dog might not require as much care and attention as a baby, but they can still be a distraction…especially if it’s a workplace where multiple people bring in dogs and you have to deal with scuffles and pack behavior amongst the dogs. I’m a huge animal lover, but honestly I find the concept of a dog friendly workplace strange.

    1. stellanor*

      It is a lot less interesting than that in my dog-friendly workplace. It is required that dogs be confined to your personal work area at all times — my dog doesn’t leave my cube unless I’m taking him outside for a potty break or taking him to visit my cube neighbors, with whom he is popular. There are basically no inter-dog scuffles or pack behavior because the dogs are generally not permitted to interact. If they bark, they get “fired”. If they get into it with other dogs in the office, they get “fired”. On one occasion my dog barked at another dog in the elevator and I was MORTIFIED and promptly backed him into a corner with my legs.

      My dog sleeps under my desk most of the time. People actually have to swing by my cube and ask me (or look under my desk) to see if he’s there. I have a doggie gate I can put up at the entrance to my cube but I typically don’t because he doesn’t go anywhere and I make more of a disruption tripping on it because I’m an idiot.

      I have seen photos of offices where the dogs all run around together and I have no idea how anyone gets anything done in places like that. My dog gets along pretty well with most other dogs but a dog wrestling match or chase game is disruptive as hell.

  82. Jack Balfour*

    The notion of bringing my pets into the office has never occurred to me. This is probably because I am an adult.

  83. Josh S*

    As I’m writing this, 1051 comments. I think that’s close to a record for a non-Open Thread post! People feel strongly about their animals!

  84. PoorDecisions101*

    I wouldn’t hold it againstvthe OP but depending on the circumstances I might look for new work if it was easily available that was dog friendly and be unhappy at the company for making me job search.

    As the OP has said there are 18-30 dogs in the office at any one day, some who bring dogs in all the time and some occasionally, that’s impacting 50 odd people. Some of these may be rainmakers and some essential technical staff. High performers have options and will potentially take those options, especially when a company has shown it couldn’t implement a policy properly (or possibly hire well).

    I make this comment on the basis that this has been an existing long standing policy. If it was new and/or the OP had been here before the dogs, I would say absolutely the policy should be revoked. In this situation there are potential dire consequences for the company in revoking this policy and definitely should be a lesson learned for all involved.

  85. ReanaZ*

    THIS IS THE STUFF OF NIGHTMARES.

    I can’t even read the comment section. All these “sorry you’re horribly ill but my vague desire to have an animal in what’s generally accepted to be a people-only space is more important to me than the health and well-being of other humans” comments are really horrifying and disgusting me. Gross.

    1. AMG*

      Better yet are the ones about how they value their pets over anyone else’s children, and if they had to pick their dog’s life over that of a random child, they would choose to save the dog. There are some really warped people out there.

      1. Joline*

        Unless I missed something this is a bit of an exaggeration – it was one person who said if it came down to their pet and someone else’s child in an emergency situation they weren’t sure what they’d do. And the same person throughout the thread was pretty clear that a person’s health wins out over people wanting to have pets in the office.

        1. AMG*

          I saw it from a few people. And there’s a difference in saying that someone’s health trumps bringing a pet into the office vs valuing the life of a pet over the life of a child.

          The point is that this isn’t the only trolling, offensive, flat-out nasty line of comments that I’ve seen in AAM posts. The value add of reading and participating on a civil discussion with others usually outweighs the trolls but it’s gotten worse lately. Sure hope it changes because I really have enjoyed this blog.

  86. DaisyC*

    Allergy problems aside, allowing dogs in the office on a regular basis is a HUGE liability on the company’s part, imagine if 2 of the dogs got into a fight, or a dog randomly attacked another employee? Does their basic insurance cover those kinds of claims? I would think not.

  87. Lynn*

    My husband works at a dog friendly office. There are only 15 people in the firm and 2 of the 5-7 dogs that are in the office belong to the owner.

    As other people have mentioned, it is a huge liability. The owners two dogs are huge and can be a little sketchy with other dogs. Another dog bit the UPS guy. My husband won’t take our dog to work because he’s afraid she’ll get hurt by one of the other dogs. And the dogs can be really distracting.

    It sounds like such a lovely perk, but if you want to work with your dog, be self employed.

  89. Janette*

    I know how it is. I had a dog around office for months (I’m allergic too) and this was one of the reasons why I didn’t stay in that jobs. What was worse this dog making a poo around floor time to time. Don’t wish that to anyone.

  90. Bryant*

    I’ve owned a dog for the past 7 years, but not once have I ever wished I could bring him to work. Nothing irritates me more than these entitled dog nuts who act like the world will stop spinning if they are separated from their dog. Leave the damn thing at home and go be an adult for a change.

  91. Lydia*

    I’m deathly allergic to dogs, cats, birds, anything with hair, fur, feathers and dander. I’ve done years of allergy shots, take antihistamines to the point of rebound insomnia, and still find people thinking, “Oh, you just don’t LIKE dogs? Can’t you just take something?”

    I’m tired of finding there are more and more businesses I can’t enter, stores I can’t shop in, restaurants I can’t eat in, and even jobs I can’t apply for because everyone’s dogs take precedence. It’s discrimination against an invisible disability. I’m not looking to work in a vet clinic or pet store, that would be insane. But the vast majority of workplaces should be pet-free. We don’t tolerate people bringing their kids to work on a routine basis, so why tolerate pets? This is work, not your home.

    BTW, there’s no such thing as a hypo-allergenic dog. If it has skin, it sheds dander. Hair and dander get everywhere and stay everywhere, long after the animal has left.

    1. Bryant*

      Even though I have a dog, I’m with you on this. These people who insist on being able to take their dogs everywhere are bunch of emotionally fragile individuals. Your damn dog is not going to fall apart and die just because you leave it at home to go where you need to go. I seriously don’t understand the purpose of bringing your dog to work either. There’s enough nonsense to deal with at the office without adding a dog in the mix. Be a grown up, leave the dog at home, and play with it when you get off work.

      1. Lydia*

        Thanks, Bryant. It’s nice to hear support from a dog-owner. Dogs are lovely creatures (though not substitute children), I just can’t breathe around them. It seems to me that my right to earn a living should carry more weight than someone’s liking for being able to take mini-breaks petting Fido.

        I’m tired of having to do potential employers’ discrimination for them by excluding myself and not applying for jobs in “pet-friendly” (i.e., “allergic people need not apply”) workplaces. Don’t want to have to lead the no-pets charge in a workplace either. Imagine how popular I’d be.

        The one thing I do wonder about is how you balance the competing needs of an allergic worker (like me) who can’t be around animals at all, and someone who relies on a service animal specially trained to guide a blind person or protect someone who might have an epileptic seizure. They’re both genuine disabilities, and in some case, there’s no way to accommodate both. My guess is that the cute dog would always win. My disability is invisible, and dogs are photogenic, as you see in any pet-focused news story. The editorial bias is always, “Awww, who wouldn’t want this cute dog at work?”

        1. Bryant*

          I can understand bringing a dog to work if it’s a legitimate service dog. Everybody else can kick rocks and leave Fido at home though. I do hope you are able to find a nice cushy job you enjoy without having to deal with dogs in the office.

          1. Lydia*

            Thanks, Bryant. Here’s hoping that I also find something dog-free that stays dog-free. More and more workplaces are adding “bring your pet” as a new perk. There’s also a push in a lot of workplaces to hire disabled workers, and the poster-child for these campaigns is always a cute service dog. Even if I do find something, I might have to leave to make way for dogs arriving after me. (Again, I’d have to do the employer’s discrimination for them.) Thanks again for your support.

    2. Artist*

      I am with you , my animal allergy’s have caused me to be very successful though because I can not socialize in homes since 95 percent of the people where I live have animals inside their homes .

  92. Anna*

    ( know this is late, but I was furious I had to write.) My father’s relatives have dogs. 1-3 each. Never cared for them, but I didn’t mind until one of my grandmothers little yappy non-housetrained dogs jumped on me, I hit the floor. I was 2 or 3 so it could happen and it did! I was terrified! It was a shit-zu that my aunt loved so of course my selfish family (except my mom) laughed. This became a story my family told forever. It scared me for life. I don’t like cats either, but me they are not as bad. People are grossed out scared and most importantly allergic! Most of you seem responsible though. Please don’t hate it takes me forever to trust people in person let alone over a phone.

  93. Melissa*

    Telling the employee up front about the policy makes zero difference in their responsibility to reasonably accommodate an ADA employee. As she said, her industry is heavily pet-friendly and the law requires that she be provided a safe work environment. Disclosing that she has this disability in the hiring process could lead to discrimination from people who do not want to lose the company pet perk. Companies are required by ADA to hire a qualified applicant regardless of whether or not they can be in a pet-friendly environment and adjust the environment accordingly if necessary. Perks are luxuries. Breathing is not.

  94. R Letson*

    I believe the individual should try applying for workers compensation. Clearly, she is suffering from debilitating allergic reactions caused by the dogs while working on the job. It’s no different if there was toxic mold on the walls. She should be prescribed to be allowed to work at home full time until the working conditions improve.

  95. CuhPow*

    Unfortunately, if OP asks for this type of accommodation, it could give people a bad view of him, being a new person that drastically changes their lifestyle. It could make upper management look for a reason to fire him, make it difficult to work with other employees as the least popular person. If I found that I was in a situation like this, I’d probably resign. Honestly, so many people gate their jobs. If this place had a good record of keeping employees and they were happy, and part of the reasons was the dog-friendly work atmosphere, I wouldn’t want to ruin that. He may like that job, but he hasn’t even worked there long, so he may find that even with accommodation he isn’t in love, so now everyone is miserable. Ruining a job people love because you just started and you think you love the work, well you don’t have enough experience there to make demands. And as a new person, you can adjust more easily to changes and to a new job. The more senior employees will have to change the way things have been for a long time. And like OP said, it’s a coming thing in his field. The last thing he wants is for his current manager to regret hiring him, knowing that hiring this one person resulted in having to change the entire office culture and lower morale; if OP ever looked for another job in the field, depending on how small and tight knit, it may get around to other people that he requires these types of accommodations and they may not want to even chance at hiring him. It’s best to just find a job that isn’t pet friendly, and realize that even as a defined disability, sometimes it’s unfair to put your own needs above others’ wants (even though, yes, needs usually have more priority and yes, you can’t change it) if there are other options there for you, because these people were there first and that could have been a deciding factor in taking the job (that you then will take away). If finding out this was dog friendly would have deterred OP from taking it in the first place, why does getting hired and starting work change that?

  96. Judy*

    I work in an office where we have anywhere from 1 to 5 dogs daily. It is a small building and every office is occupied. The office now smells like wet dog all the time, the floor is filthy all the time, employees constantly trip over water bowls and toys all day. The dog owners are away from their desks a lot due to bathroom breaks for the dog. I’ve had several customers on the phone when the dogs start barking. The customers always ask if I work from home. I’m sure they think we are a fly by night company after hearing that. I’ve had clothes and shoes ruined by dogs trampling on them after coming in from the wet grass and/or jumping up on me. Several employees have complained and even one employee has written the manager stating she is afraid of dogs. It has gotten out of control and I agree that these dog owners need to grow up. They need to work when they are at the office and play at home. I am miserable and have started looking for another job.

  97. CelticLeigh*

    While I sympathize as I have severe allergies… with the move in the U.S. to many offices being “dog friendly” as well as the idea that working dogs and service dogs have the right to go with their owners to work, this seems pretty akin to a situation at my work….though the dog in question is a service dog that provides therapeutic services to the clients and the employee with the allergies developed said allergies after two years of working in the environment. Mind you, the service dog was on staff prior to her being hired (kind of like the dog friendly office) and when she was offered the opportunity to move to days when the dog would not be providing services, she complained “that was not fair. The dog needs to go”.

    No offense to anyone but this appears to be a very “me” mindset. If the culture of a working environment embraces animals, the employees need to consider this. In my case, the service dog program offers comfort and assistance to patients……this is not something to be handled lightly….and why would 1 person think their personal needs should rise above those of others?

  98. Semhal Goldja*

    So what if I quit a job..for this new company that never mentioned that it was a dog friendly office. If I am forced to quit and find a new job does this company have to compensate me

  99. Cynophobe*

    Even though this is an old thread, I’m eternally thankful for it. I have severe, very severe dog phobia (think uncontrollable panic reactions) so dog friendly offices are my nightmare. Honestly, I don’t even see the point. I generally love animals (basically anything but dogs and creepy crawlers, such as reptiles and frogs) but they would be so distracting at a workplace.

  100. Mythea*

    I know it’s been a while – but since I reread occassionaly I thought others might too. Did you know that the Job Accommodation Network actually covers how to handle service animals and employees with allergies :) I thought it was neat! http://askjan.org/media/servanim.html

  101. yourmom*

    A someone with severe dog allergies I would be requesting for a completely different office with no dogs. If they could not do that I would contact an attorney. This is ridiculous. You were given this job with no notification. this is not right at all.

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