applying for a job in another state

by Alison Green on January 30, 2009

A reader writes:

What is your take, as a hiring manager, on job applicants who apply to positions in your company from out of state (let’s say New York applicant for a California job)? Do they immediately go to the circular file or are they considered as seriously as other applications? What if the applicant expresses an interest in relocating to your area provided he or she gets a job first?

Are out of state applicants treated differently if they are entry, mid, Director and Executive levels — meaning the higher up you are and the position you apply for, the more likely you will be considered as an out of state applicant?

This varies depending on the job. For higher-level or hard-to-fill jobs, location isn’t much of an issue. For other jobs, especially those that attract an overwhelming number of applicants, location gets factored in. This is because if I have a number of seemingly just as qualified local applicants, I can interview them faster and without paying to fly them in, and if I hire a local person, I won’t need to pay relocation or wait for them to move before they can start work.

However, out-of-town applicants can get around that in a couple of ways:

* State in your cover letter that you are planning to move to my city (and if you can mention a specific ETA, that’s even better) and don’t need relocation assistance. If you’ve already taken steps toward making your move a reality (such as moving things to a self storage facility or signing a lease), mention that too.

* Make it clear in your cover letter that you would be happy to get yourself to my city for an interview.

If you do those things, you’ve pretty much negated any bias toward locals that I might have had.

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  1. Anonymous*

    I disagree a little bit with AAM on this one. Very rarely will I interview an out-of-towner for a position. Relocation is often a hit or miss situation and I won’t offer relocation assistance unless it’s a high level position or exceedingly difficult to fill.

    Take, for example the candidiate who applies for a position here in Boston, who’s from Texas and offers to pay their own way…it’s an entry level position so I’m thinking to myself two things:

    1. This person has no idea how expensive and difficult it is to find housing in Boston and I question their judgment. They clearly haven’t realistically looked at what it takes to relocate.

    2. Why would they pay $300 for a round trip flight for an interview? It reeks of desperation.

    If, for example someone is already relocating to Boston for their own reasons, and states when they’ll be available for an interview (after they’ve relocated), I won’t hesitate to give someone a call. I think people often underestimate who difficult it is to assimilate in a new city AND a new job. There are huge risks involved and I don’t trust a candidate who willy-nilly is offering to relocate. As a candidate, you want to look confident and competant. Someone willing to pay their own way and relocate to a new city for this job that they know minimal things about is not necessarily someone who’s done their due dilligence.

    2. Amanda*

      Nice attitude. Your co-workers must love you. Someone who offers to pay their own way for interviews and re-location is committed and serious, not desperate. You are just one of those typical HR people on a power trip who thinks they know everything.

      6. Kran*

        Whoa, harsh Amanda! Try seeing a different perspective. If you are applying for an ENTRY LEVEL position and are going through huge expenses to get there, it can easily be misunderstood as being desperate. From his perspective, the best employees know what they are worth and don’t mind having companies pay because they know they will bring that much extra benefit to the company if the deal goes through. See how there is a shift in power? Your scenario has the company in control, but his scenario has the employee in control.

        Many managers have opinions other than yours and it doesn’t mean they’re bad people, just different. It’s hard to take you seriously if you shut people down for having a different opinion than you.

      7. Katherine*

        Agreed. Why is that desperate? Looks like dedication to me. They must really want to be in Boston. There’s nothing wrong with that in my book.

    3. Deb*

      WOW this made me laugh because maybe a recent college grad has a parent with the means to assist (with move) because that parent knows in their city the recent graduate won’t be able to use their college degree but relocating he/she can. Don’t be so quick to call an applicant trying to pursue their dreams or willing to put in the work in another city desperate because it could be so far from the truth. God please don’t let any hiring manager like this idiot review my child’s resume!!!!!!!!

    4. Shakiah*

      You never know what personal reasons an applicant has for wanting to relocate to another state. I think it’s stupid to not consider them for a position just because you feel they cannot afford the move. If your applicant is willing to relocate on their own and is qualified for the job what will it hurt to give them an interview?

    5. 428*

      This is my reply to the “reeks of desperation” comment. Let me explain something. You would question why someone would relocate to a different location, even Boston, for an entry level job. Well, this is MY answer. I graduated from college in July 2012. I have a skill set in GIS and cartography. It is April 2013 and I still don’t have a job. Why would I be so desperate and relocate? Simple. The state of Georgia has one of the highest unemployment rates in the USA. There are hardly any entry level jobs for those in my fields. I know how expensive Boston is. I don’t care. If it means I get a job, I am more than willing to relocate. Why would someone spend $300 to fly round trip for an interview? Coming from my perspective, it might be expensive in the beginning, but it is either that, or stay in the place I am and remain unemployed. I look at it from a survival perspective. It is either relocate or remain unemployed. That is how I see it.

      1. ADam*

        definitely! I am in the same boat. I am a recent grad from a reputable university (Baylor with an overall good GPA) and I am trying to relocate out of state because there are simply no jobs here. I’ve literally spent a year just looking already in my own state. The competition is ridiculous.

        Now, the example given in this guy’s comment is just like me. I’m from Texas, and I’m trying to find a job where my family lives in Massachusetts. I will go thru any means possible just to get out of this state. Finding a job is the first task. HR reps like this dude make me sick.

      2. 578*

        I agree with you 428 I relocated to Georgia Aug 2012 I had been unemployed in Florida for two years before up and relocating. First to be closer to my son because me and his father are going through a ugly custody battle and Second me being born and raised in Tampa,FL i have seen the changes and thought if i’m in another location i would have better luck I applied at many jobs and only one called me back Alorica up in Kennesaw, GA i stayed in Riverdale,GA which is an Hr to Hr in and half south of Atlanta. So i had to commute almost an hr for 9.00 an hr Yes my car took a beating but at the end i was determined to make it. Things didn’t work out with the company and they started laying people off three months of me working there and i was one of the many. I regrouped and looked and searched all around the Atlanta area. I had a couple of call backs but none actually hired me. So i was forced to come back in January 2013 to my mom i have been back and yet again nothing is hiring down here. I have even applied in orlando fl why because A) i Love to Travel B) its a different area i have visited and love it. I wouldn’t consider myself desperate just determined to not let nothing get in the way of my own personal agenda for success. I have another Year left to get my Bachelor in Business Degree for Healthcare Management and looking forward to accomplishing that. I have the opportunity to be in HR and do some hiring of my own. As for now i am still unemployed but going as a full time student so it bothers me that and HR Person would think like that if god grants me the opportunity to be an HR Manager i would not hesitate to give a person a chance to work with my company if they have the skills and are willing to pay for relocation. One thing i was taught is never Judge a book by it’s cover. So that person that he/she looked down upon could have been a great asset to the company. Just sad How times and things have change. Company’s post on job boards saying there hiring and ask are u willing to travel or relocate but when an individual is willing and able to commit Company’s really don’t want to give a person a chance. I am currently looking for an Entry-level position in customer service. in Las Vegas In the Henderson area. So my fingers cross i will be there in the next few months. U know why because with God on your side anything is possible all u have to do is trust and believe his word and have faith.

    6. ATL*

      This HR person is a joke, and I feel sorry for his/her organization. No doubt they have missed out on some good talent if this person is responsible for the company talent…..you can’t even proof your own work successfully………..

      ” I think people often underestimate who difficult it is to assimilate…” REALLY???

      Very smart of you to post as “Anonymous”

    7. BC*

      It’s true that recruiters/HR typically look at local candidates first before considering someone from out of town, unless of course it is for a senior level or hard to find candidate and they have exhausted the local pool. So don’t get mad at this person for stating the obvious. Also it IS hard to adjust to a new town and a new job and sometimes it isn’t all that you thought and then now what? It’s a risk to the potential employer. With that all said, I do not think that an applicant should be turned down just because of these factors; if they are willing to relocate and pay their own way (maybe they’ve always wanted to live in saidd town, or there is family there etc) then they should be considered. It is worth at least a phone interview. And note people, that recruiters also get turned down for the same thing!

  2. Rebecca*

    Anonymous, suppose I really want or need to move to Boston, and I’m happy to pay my own way to move, but I don’t have a ton of money on hand right now. Is it really that dumb for me to decide not to gamble my savings on moving before I have a job?

    Of course, maybe it’s easy for me to say, since I moved from Tennessee to Philadelphia after getting a job offer, and paid my own way to move, and then didn’t go broke or have a nervous breakdown or quit because I couldn’t handle the big scary city. ;)

  3. Anonymous*

    Rebecca,

    As I clearly stated,

    If, for example someone is already relocating to Boston for their own reasons, and states when they’ll be available for an interview (after they’ve relocated), I won’t hesitate to give someone a call.

    You were relocating because you had chosen a city that you were interested in for whatever reason. You had done due diligence and were getting your ducks in a row. Someone who’s willing to move anywhere in the world for a job makes me wary. And not because I’ve never moved in my life; it’s because I’ve lived in a variety of places (both abroad and domestic) and understand how important it is.

    1. Jenny*

      You’re joking right? I’m that person who’s willing to move anywhere in the world for a job. Why? Because I had to come back to the states from Japan, and have *no* commitments anywhere in the states. I’m free to go anywhere! The downside to that is where the heck do I go? I’ve already made the mistake of coming to Kansas City looking for work. This city hasn’t met my needs outside of work. I’m just here long enough to start saving again to move somewhere else.

      If it was extremely easy for me to find a job in Toronto, Canada, I’d be up there the next day interviewing and expecting my work visa to come in within the week. Since I’m still an American citizen, I have to look for jobs within this country.

      What do you suggest people to do? Get online and research the cities they’re interested in based on their hobbies or other non-work related interests? Take a vacation to go to the city of interest and look for work/apartments? I’ve already learned that you have to save up at least 6 months worth of salary just to move to a new city to look for work. Also giving the address of your hotel works to satisfy employers that you’re “local.”

      How would any of that be considered desperate? Sounds to me like the person is taking the steps to be where they’re going to be happy.

  4. HR Maven*

    For entry level positions, I will seldom consider someone out of state. It adds a level of complexity and time that isn’t necessary. With several hundred applicants per job, we can find and hire someone locally.

    For mid to upper level positions, we will always consider someone from out of the area. We have relocation assistance and normally have the lead time to accommodate a move.

    On any out of area interview, we always do a phone screen first -helps save on travel if the person doesn’t go forward in the position.

  5. Tiffany Loudermilk*

    Just a bit of advice from someone who has job hunted while relocating more than once – my spouse is in the military, so I get to move whenever he gets transferred, but would go stir-crazy without gainful employment. I’m still pretty young, so the positions I’ve been looking for are basically entry-level.

    The first time I moved from Texas to Virginia, I couldn’t get anyone to call me back, much less offer me an interview. I posted my resume with my TX address with a note in the cover letter about relocating. I had to fly out twice to job hunt, once when I didn’t have any interviews lined up, and again when I interviewed (after 2 rounds of phone screens) for the job I ended up getting. VERY expensive, but absolutely crucial!

    The second time I relocated, it was from VA to CT, and I had learned my lesson. When I posted my resume, I listed my address as
    My Name
    Relocating in June to
    City/Region, CT” and then listed my current cell and email info. My cover letter also talked about how I was relocating with my spouse, and when I would be in town both to interview, and to start. I got so many more calls and interest than the first time around, because I showed up on the “local” search results, not the “out of town” results!

    When recruiters called me, I let them know what my timeline looked like and that I was more than happy to start with a phone interview and go from there. I scheduled in-person interviews for the day after we arrived in town and made sure to bring appropriate clothing with me in the car (don’t let the movers pack it all!) Luckily, I didn’t need to have a job to actually make the move, but if you do, be sure to set aside plenty of money for back-and-forth travel for interviews.

    The key is to be upfront and flexible, understanding that you’re going to have to work a little harder to even get your foot in the door. Now, as an HR professional, I don’t hesitate to consider an applicant who is already relocating. I do always want to know why they’re moving, though, because Anonymous is right – people usually underestimate the difficulty of relocating AND starting a new job.

    Good Luck!

    1. William*

      GREAT advice Tiffany!!! I’m actually looking to relocate to Los Angeles from Miami and was wondering how I was going to line up jobs.

      The Anonymous guy almost made it sound like no one should ever move!

      1. Jessica*

        William!

        I am relocating from Miami to San Diego in August. How did your job search go?How did you finally present your resume and cover letter… anonymous has me worried.

        1. William*

          Don’t be worried Jessica. If you stay focused and set your mind to it there’s nothing that can’t be done!

          I’m actually still in Miami (sigh)! I can’t believe your moving to San Diego Jessica (TAKE ME WITH YOU)!!! What I would suggest is to start by ‘NOT’ using your current address and maybe replacing it with something like;
          “Relocating to San Diego” or “In Process of moving to San Diego”.

          Another thing is, if you do land an interview be up front with HR. Tell them if there’s anyway you can conduct an initial phone interview and if NOT well then tell them to give you some time to get down there to interview.

          Jessica, I would prepare to fly down there at least once to show your face. It may be what you’ll need to sacrifice to secure a position.

          1. Anonymous*

            Since u are still in Miami William, wat do you think of the job market there. I am moving down in September and am very nervous about job prospects

    2. A.B.*

      I just want to thank you, Ms. Loudermilk, for you advice. Anonymous got me worried to but he did have a point as well. I will give your tactic a try & will keep you posted. I was getting depressed but now I am all excited and hopeful again! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

    3. Zara*

      Thanks for the advice. I am a recent graduate hoping to make a move to San Francisco from Orange County and I’m a bit lost in how to go about looking and lining up perspective jobs. Thanks!

  6. Nabi*

    Tiffany,

    When you said you were relocating to the new address, did you also include your current address or did you not have to do that?

  7. Anonymous*

    I must comment on Anonymous’ thought that paying for a flight to an interview “reeks of desperation” I am stunned. What place does an HR recruiter have to question how a candidate invests in finding employment or a location that is suitable. Why not view this in a positive light, to say that this potential employee is proactive, and if anything, demonstrating a keen interest in joining the company and moving to a new city that is obviously of interest. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. And if you wish to think of “desperation” what I may recommend is that you take note of the current US economic situation, which is most certainly calling candidates to reach out further to find work. As for the second comment about questioning the person’s judgment in finding housing in Boston, that is simply a demeaning way of looking at a candidate. It sounds more of a parental than professional assessment. This is a presumably adult candidate, and I say that HR is stepping over legal boundaries bordering discrimination to assess a candidate’s personal expenses spending and decisions. Since your company is not picking up the tab for travel or relocation, then it’s none of HR’s business.

    And, there is this saying – “you’ve got to start somewhere” which is just what an entry level candidate is trying to do.

    1. William*

      Bravo!!! You took the words right out of my mouth! I can’t agree with you more. When he said “desperation” I thought to myself “that sounds more like determination at finding employment no matter the costs than desperation”.

      Obviously this guy should be in NO position to hire anyone! Maybe he’s one of the reasons why it’s hard for individuals to find work these days!

      1. Wisc Relocator*

        I agree with you that all of this IS discriminatory, but Anonymous is just telling it like it is. For any job that’s entry to mid, there’s probably a candidate that will work that is local and it is lower risk for all involved to go with the local pool. I have been in the meetings where hundreds of applicants are screened, out of towners are tossed unless they have stellar credentials. As someone who is trying to relocate 5 hours away, it has been challenging and so far unsuccessful. I have responsibilities that keep me from being able to quit my current job and gamble my savings on what could end up being an incredible demotion.

    2. Anonymous*

      I am an entry-level candidate but my spouse is an airline pilot and the tickets cost me zero. Does that still reek of depression? Maybe there are more people like myself that have the flexibility to be mobile without going broke! Wow.

    3. Rene*

      you are so right!! The legal boundries are being crossed with personal opinions!! Some of these people ARE desperate and will move for the right job!! But you haven’t walked a mile in their shoes to judge why they are make that decision!! When you’re not the one in that position to need, then you can never understand what it’s like to sacrifice! Your job as an HR professional is find the most qualified for the job…NOT place judgement on the candidates reasoning for applying and assuming their character!!

  8. Tae in Portland OR*

    I live in Oregon. I want to move to New York. I have friends that live there & I have made extended visits many times. I know its expensive, I know its competative but I also know that I am at the only time in my life its ideal to do it(not married, no children). I have worked for the same company for 9 years in a specialized field in healthcare (mid level). I have the experience and credentials that employers in New York state in their postings. I am saving for cost of moving. But I will not (especially in this economy) pick up and move out of state & leave a job I've had 9 yrs & the benes that come with it, without securing another job. I have a timeline for when I'll be ready but its very contingent upon when I find employment. I am going to live alone (or with roomate) and the area I live in also depends on where I find a job. I'm applying at nearly every hospital in New York City. I can not afford to move and apply after I relocate. I am willing to fly in for interviews at my own expense because it is where I want to go. But I am wondering should I be using a friends address on my resume's or get a local P.O. Box, change my ph number to a local area code…anything to let the employer know that I am a serious candidate? I'm Just not crazy enough to quit my job in this economy without already having an offer.

    1. Me*

      I would use a friend’s address if I were you. Only specify your cell# since people know that cell#s stay with folks even when they move. Anyway, that’s my take and how I’ve approached my search. Bottomline though is when recruiters/HR folks find out you have to fly for the interview, more often than not they lose interest if they have local candidates since the positions tend to get filled fast even for non-entry level jobs. Good luck

    2. Anonymous*

      Hi,
      Not sure this is appropriate but I’ve lived in NY all my life and know many in the local hospitals and healthcare industry. I’d be happy to connecft with you and pass along your Linkedin profile. Linkedin is a free (unless you choose to pay for more than a basic account) professional networking site.

      AAM, is it ok to pass along my profile address so we can connect?

        1. Anonymous*

          Thanks AAM!

          Dear Tae in Portland,
          I’d be happy to connect with you via Linkedin.com. I live in NY and have contacts at area hospitals and in healthcare.

          My linkedin profile address is:
          http://www.linkedin.com/in/pauladibernardo
          Please say that you know me from AAM in your email.

          To everyone else,
          I’m not an ‘open networker’ (connects to everyone) but if you say that you know me from AAM I’d be happy to connect and help if I can.

    3. Rene*

      I am in the EXACT same situation and I really do not want to pick up and move without seuring a position. I am in NY and moving to Fl. I am also in Healthcare….have you moved yet and if so did any of the steps you took work in your favor?

  9. Anonymous*

    HR people are complete morons and Human Resources is a useless function. HR people need to get off their high horses and go back to what was once called “personnel”

    I just so happen to be an “HR” person and I’m just dying to make a career change. However, changing fields is nearly impossible due to the fact that I’d have interviw with an ignorant judgemental Human Resources person who wouldn’t be able to understand that yes..people in fact are allowed to make a career changes! UGH! Don’t get me started on Recruiters…they are the WORST sales people.

    1. Anonymous*

      Yes! Could not agree more. I have been a “HR” pro for the last 3.5 years (all my work life since university) and I too think HR and recruitment folk especially are the dumbest people I have ever come across. They always take a narrow minded tick the box view of the world. No wonder they complain of a skills crisis! There is no skills crisis! just dumb HR people not willing to use their brains to hire people with transferable skills. Been trying to relocate from Perth, West Australia coast to Melbourne in the south-east for the last 9 months, nobody will take my applicants seriously and I too want a career change. But no! HR people are too dumb to work out that someone with intellect and ambition would desire to relocate for economic opportunity. I have since quit my job to make the move so my savings are going to take a hammering. Notice most of these posts are from USA – i guess it does not matter which side of the world you are on, same shit, different country.

  10. Anonymous*

    I hope someone responds to Tae's question….It's exactly my situation, except that I am a recent graduate with everywhere in the world to go.

    Do you fake it by using a friend's address? Seems silly to do something like that because one way or another you're going to be found out. IP address, lack of knowledge of surroundings if you do land a phone conversation..etc. Plus it's just feels like bad business.

    I don't understand the reasoning behind the first comment, either. I *am* a potential entry-level candidate from Texas who will offer to pay her own way to another city. Why does relocation have to be so difficult anyway? Especially when you've just graduated, you have minimal baggage! Anywhere I go, I'll have friends there to show me around and give tips on where not to live, etc.

    Yes, it's expensive. But it's an investment. And why not have more employers interview via Skype?

    1. Anonymous*

      I agree. I’ll be a college grad this fall, just want to get out of the state I’ve been living in my entire life to start a new leaf. I’d pay my way to an interview, but it’s a dumb decision to move before you’ve secured a job, especially right out of college.

  11. Jess*

    I wonder about Tae's too because it's also similar to mine. I've had my job about that long and looking to move to a certain city. Yes, we should get a job first before moving but do we get a temp type job just to get a local address and be more hire-able?

  12. Anonymous*

    I agree with Anonymous from March 4th. It may not be desperation at all. It may be that the applicant has a family to consider and relocating without a job is irresponsible. Is it not illegal to dismiss an applicant because of location? These tough economic times require a different view on employment and applicants. It is because of people like HR Maven that so many jobs may be available but are unattainable because of the whims or laziness of HR people. Especially when no one asks for relocation assistance.

    1. Yvette Edwards*

      “Is it not illegal to dismiss an applicant because of location? ”
      No, but unless the ad for that particular job says “local applicants only” it’s false advertisement.

  13. Erin*

    Thanks for the great tips and discussion about this topic! I am also struggling with this idea and am wondering how to express to a potential employer that I really want the position enough to move and enough to pay for interview travel (if seriously considered), without relocation pay.

    I am applying for entry level positions out of state. As a somewhat recent college graduate, I have working for a nonprofit in Arizona out of love for the work, but with a strong desire to move out of Arizona (for a much needed change of scenery) and to get some more experience in my career field. Since graduating, I have kept some money saved in anticipation of relocation costs.

    A very successful, close family friend suggested that employers will throw out my application because they do not want to worry about paying for travel when they have plenty of local applicants in this economy. Does that mean I am stuck for now? A few years ago, I would get multiple offers for jobs/paid internships and now I cannot even get an interview.

    I am fairly well traveled and feel like I could handle moving to any city that I have already considered when applying for the position. Where did the idea come from that someone is willing to move "anywhere" desperately? (Though I suppose I do know people in jobs that could, and do, move them with short notice to distant locations.) I would only apply for a position that I really wanted in a location that I would be willing to relocate to.

    Do I state this in my cover letter? If so, where? Should I add it in an email or by phone? How do I state professionally:

    I love this position that fits well with my skills enough to relocate at my own expense; I would love the opportunity to discuss my candidacy by phone / webcam /email and, if seriously considered, to pay for (or negotiate) travel costs for the interview.

    Thanks!

    1. Rene*

      I am in healthcare living in NY planning a move to Fl…I really like the idea of putting the location of where im relocating to oppose to my current location, but that’s good if emailing your resume and cover letter. How do you get around your location when applying for a positions online (which is the way it’s done)? Where you have to fill out the long application and then attach your resume/cover letter.

      I have been applying for jobs I know I am qualified for even over qualified and still get that automated email response that another candidate has been selected. It’s very discouraging…and just like the rest I really do want to move w/o a job in place. What do I do? I am single with no kids a graduate degree in healthcare and feel this is the time to move!

  15. Anonymous*

    1. This person has no idea how expensive and difficult it is to find housing in Boston and I question their judgment. They clearly haven't realistically looked at what it takes to relocate.

    This is so incredibly degrading and discouraging. I'm moving to San Francisco from Chicago. I am well aware of the cost of an apartment, and have put away money for this transition. It's next to impossible to move there before I find a job. Most of the apartment ads I've seen state that one must have a job offer letter or recent pay stub in order to sign a lease.

    2. Why would they pay $300 for a round trip flight for an interview? It reeks of desperation.

    They would probably pay 300 for a round trip ticket, because they really want the job and are eager about relocating. What is desperate about that, and additionally, who isn't desperate in this economy? Keep in mind that they may have accrued miles for such an occasion as I have. I'm so glad I"m not looking for a position in Boston, and hopefully I won't encounter such unprofessionalism in San Francisco.

    1. Anonymous*

      Hey I appreciate your statements. I am in the same boat as you were since I am looking to move from Seattle to San Francisco. Did things ever work out the way you had hoped?

  16. CK*

    I'm glad I stumbled upon this post and I must say that the first comment is rather offensive to me. I currently live in a small town in PA and have been sending resumes for almost two years to companies in San Francisco and NYC. I have gotten very little response other than, "we only hire local candidates" or "let us know when you live here." This is exceedingly frustrating because I have wanted to live in those places for years, but moving without a job isn't an option for me for various reasons. I have done my research, I know the cost of living is much higher than where I live (although, I used to live in center city Philadelphia, so I am familiar with costs associated with cities) and I am not desperate simply because I'll pay for my own transportation to get to an interview. I want to move so I actually can have a career because there is zero opportunity for what I do where I currently live.

    I certainly hope the HR recruiters to do no share Anonymous' attitude- if they do, there is no hope for me at all and I am doomed to rot away. They must be looking at me as some silly small town girl who has no idea what it's like in the big, scary city and that is the most inaccurate assessment of me that I could possibly think of. Ten years of research and 8 years of living in Philly definitely gives me a pretty decent grip on urban realities.

    That said, I am not looking for entry level; I'd consider myself mid-level ready to move into lower management. Because I've dealt with such a frustrating situation in trying to find a job long-distance, I recently quit my day job so I can freelance full-time and so I can go to NYC on a regular basis for interviews (or fly to SF if necessary). Quitting my day job was a scary decision, but I feel like I've been backed into a corner and it's the only way for me to pursue what I really want to be doing. I'm in grad school for a career that only exists in NYC, SF, LA and other large cities, so why recruiters would question my reasons for moving and not trust my judgment baffles me.

    Why would a recruiter discount me simply because I live in the wrong zip code? But it happens. All the time. As others have mentioned, it seems almost like borderline discrimination.

  17. Ask a Manager*

    CK, I've hired plenty of non-local candidates, so don't worry that everyone has that attitude.

    That said, I'll generally focus on local candidates for easy-to-fill positions because typically they can interview faster, start faster, etc. But not always, and definitely not for non-entry-level jobs.

    (Obligatory legal note: It's not discrimination in the legal sense of the word, as that only applies to discrimination based on legally protected classes, like race and gender.)

  18. catwchang*

    I don't find what Anonymous says degrading at all, it's just how businesses work. Why would they pay to fly someone in for an interview or pay someone to relocate when there are plenty of local candidates who are qualified for the job? I do have to say it is extremely discouraging though when you live in an area with low employment prospects. I just recently started a blog about my experience about adding value to a liberal arts degree and finding employment. My most recent entry is actually about exactly this situation…moving to a new city without a job (for people fresh out of college). I thought this was a pretty useful article so I added it into my blog entry. If interested, check out http://nowwhat.posterous.com/post-college-should-i-move-to-a-new-city-with.

    1. Justin*

      Apartments require job, jobs require apartment. Current city has no jobs, other city has jobs, what are you supposed to do?

  19. Shay Bapple*

    One thing that was failed to be mentioned is that some jobs that are difficult to attain because they aren't exactly growing from trees require moving in most cases.

    My personal experience as a journalist is no different. College grads that finish school in big cities, like Chicago where I am, are almost expecting to have to move to a small market when looking for entry level work.

    I was fortunate to land a couple magazine jobs here in Chicago, but am moving to San Diego to begin working in a couple of weeks because I want to relocate out there.

    My most recent job at Consumers Digest had editors that had made stops from Alaska to Cali to Chicago. Or Houston to Ohio, then Chicago. Only one person working there had stayed in Chicago during their whole career.

    Any publication or news station would expect people to move from market to market for employment in the media field.

    I'm sure that this isn't the only field out there were potential employers can relate to this.

    Also, I agree with being offended to the desperation to pay your own way statement, given the times we live in, there are lot of desperate people looking for work.

    1. Katt*

      Hi there,

      I’m glad to hear what you said about working in the media field. I currently work in Radio and I really want to relocate to Boston (though I hope the first poster isn’t in the radio field). I know that the markets in this area are pretty much dead, so I want to move to larger markets. Also, I almost have my Master’s degree and I live in a small town where the only jobs that are available are coal mining, fast food, and retail.

      As for the first poster and his comments about relocating, that is quite judgmental and I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t find any good talent. I was told that Boston was relatively friendly, so I hope that poster is the exception.

  20. CK*

    AAM, thanks for your response. I'm still hoping to move to California, although I'm focusing on San Diego and shooting for late 2010. Right now I'm working on networking and planning a few trips out there.

    I hope that the HR managers who see my resume share your attitude of considering a non-local candidate.

  21. Brooke Lorren*

    I have to disagree that wanting to relocate reeks of desperation. People have plenty of reasons to want to relocate that have nothing to do with being desperate.

    We're looking to relocate to Seattle to be with family. My husband is graduating from college. We have already been planning for the expenses of moving; it's a lot less expensive to relocate with a job in hand than it is without a job. Relocating with a job will cost a few thousand dollars (if you pack yourself and hire a few hours of help). Relocating without a job could potentially cost you tens of thousands of dollars, since it could be six months or more, in this economy, before you could find a job.

  22. Anonymous*

    I am 31, single, and adult enough to understand that moving is not for the faint of heart. Still, with little strings attached to where I live currently, my desire to move is based on two things (1. The terrible job market in Arizona 2. A desire to live somewhere else for a while).

    Isn't it enough that I've been living in the same neighborhood for the last 25 years of my life? Is it wrong that I merely want a fresh change of scenery? To those who sit on their high horses in HR, obviously it is.

    Maybe I'm backwards, but instead of assuming the worst, here's how I would view someone willing to apply for a job and move at their own expense from out of state:

    1. Their desire to move is their own damn business.

    2. They are paying their own travel costs to interview. The fact that they're saving me money in that regard makes me like them even more (team player).

    3. The fact that they are willing to throw caution to the wind and relocate means that this person is flexible, adaptable, and versatile.

    4. If they have the qualifications, I really don't care if they are moving in from out of state.

    The last I checked, it's a free country (still at least). We're free to travel about it without being harassed. Since when should a person be imprisoned in their own neighborhoood for 30 years because some a-hole HR rep with nothing better to do sits there and tries to dissect someone's reason for moving.

    Maybe I'm tired of living in a city with 117 degree weather 3 months of the year. Maybe I want to smell some ocean air from time to time. Maybe I think the live music scene in your city is better. Why the hell do you care??!!! Take my desire to spend a couple grand relocating and a couple months re-adjusting to your city as a compliment!

    1. Rene*

      I couldn’t have said it any better!!! He just gave light to the judgemental process people endure that has no right being a factor in whether or not you are qualified for the job!! I feel like I am basically doing HR job for them…I know im qualified ….I m contacting you regarding the position…Im paying my own travel expense for the interview and relocation…WHAT did u really do? You owe me…offer me the job now!!

    2. Trevor*

      Spot on Anonymous! I’m looking to move from Northern NJ to Salt Lake City because I don’t see a future for myself here (can’t imagine bringing children up in an area like this!) but it seems HR expects you to relocate before applying for jobs?!?! I have grad school loans to pay and the economy’s not in great shape, who in their right mind is going to risk that? You’re right, if I’m paying my own relocation costs, and even round-trip flights for interviews, then there’s no justifiable reason to toss my resume aside!

      1. MJ*

        Trevor not sure if your still looking to move to Salt Lake but Goldman Sachs has a huge office out there and they’re big enough to offer relocation and travel for interviews easily if your in the business. Just a suggestion.

  23. christie*

    Anonymous from March 21,

    Very well said! I, too, have been (unsuccessfully) trying to relocate to California from the East Coast for a few years. Why? Because there are no opportunities for what I do and for what I'm sinking tons of money into grad school for in my small town. In fact, California or NYC are pretty much my only options if I want to actually use my graduate degree.

    And since I've lived in the Northeast all my life, I hate winter, don't want to live in NYC, and love California (I go there, at minimum, once a year), I have my hopes set on that state.

    But according to the first Anonymous, I'm just a desperate, clueless loser. But if they would just look at it from the other side, they'd see someone who has ambition, drive, goals and a clear perspective on what they want out of their career and life (hello, I'm in GRAD SCHOOL). And I've been planning accordingly, by saving money, researching, networking and furthering my education.

    And I would think, to most reasonable people, this is actually a positive thing.

  24. Anonymous*

    This thread is great. I've been trying to relocate to another city as well. My primary reason is so I can buy a nice apartment with amenities such as I will never be able to afford in NYC. There are other reasons too, of course. One agency suggested I try temping, but after considering it, I said no, because that's too risky and it doesn't offer benefits. I am a mid-level candidate with exceptional experience in my field. But I know this economy is also adding to the difficulty. I had two phone interviews with a company recently (both were with HR). We left off that I might meet with the HR person in a city in between since they have another office there. I was supposed to hear back last week but when I emailed her, I got an automatic response saying she was on vacation for the next week and a half. What's that all about? I think I made it pretty clear that I was serious about moving; even mentioned that I had already been researching the logistics and stuff.

  25. Anonymous*

    I am also trying to relocate. I am a professional with experience and an MBA and am having trouble. No one even responds to let me know that they will only consider local candidates. I make it very clear in my cover letter that I can be there very quickly for an interview, and if offered a job I can start in 2-3 weeks (which is just as long as an employed local candidate would make them wait). I also state that I do not expect assistance with relocation expenses.

    The sad thing is all the people I know that were able to find a job out of state lied. They used a local address, got a local number, etc. I can easily do this because I have tons of relatives living there, and it only costs $5 a month to get another number that will forward to my cell phone. But I refuse to stoop down to that. At some point the employers are going to figure it out of they are half smart.

    Someone told me they used a local address but told the interviewer they had just moved and were between places, which is why all their experience was in another state. I guess that might be more acceptable.

  26. Anonymous*

    I'm on the same boat. I am a recent grad from Grad School. NY and LA are my only options given my field of studies (Entertainment!). I'm more optimistic about NY because I live in Philadelphia and it is only 2 hours away.
    This is ridiculous… I've actually stopped sending my resume and c. letters to these faceless corporate websites because HR people just don't know what they're doing. No seriously! People just don't know what they're doing especially when it comes to film, TV, entertainment etc…. Sorry if I'm offending anyone.
    As of now, I'm dodging HR and trying to build a network.
    Good luck everyone!

  27. Anonymous*

    After reading these posts I can see why we have so many job problems in this country. What happened to the day when HR would just look for the best person for the job without playing god. What difference it make why they are moving or why they want the job. I have all the skills for the job, want to move out of state but never get calls or interview. How could HR expect a person to just come to the state or town to hang out looking for work. In my opinion HR is using their personal opinion on who should get considered. Look for the best person for the job and move on. It will all work out. Companies are missing out on a lot of talented people due to the HR department.

  28. Whitney*

    I am looking to move to SF to finish my degree on campus, the plan was to move at the beginning of next year (2011). However I was informed that my hours at my current job will be cut, but they're not sure exactly when. With this news I feel that I am better off trying to find a job in SF now and get the ball rolling. I am fortunate enough to have some friends and family that live there and it isn't a very long drive (I'm in Southern Oregon).

    Is it better to take some time out and travel down there and job hunt or to start applying via the web and go from there?

  29. Anonymous*

    Im in Chicago looking to relocate to VA just because I am ready for a new scenery, a fresh start. I have submitted my resume day and night with NO response. After reading this site, I understand why. HR has there hands in the wrong business, stay focus on the candidate and there credentials not there location.

  30. Brant*

    Well the problem I face is the fact that there really is'nt a great deal of jobs in my field in my state. When I graduate college with my Bioengineering degree, I will be hunting outside the state most likely. I suppose I will be using resources such as family in other states to help with the hunt but It does seem to be dauting, from what I have found in my research. There was only one open postion in the entire state of Florida that matched my search at engineeringjobs.com.

    JUST 1! There was at least 20 or 25 in Cali alone, I don't want to move there but it is just one example.

    Oh and the job that was in FL was a biomedical equipment technician. It really wasnt even in my field, wll it kinda was. I would have been overqualified and I would be only making about 30000 or less a year. How can I settle for that. Thats why my search will also encompass firms in other states. At least the east coast.

    Then again I could imagine the East coast to be full of IVY leaguers and other sorts that will of course blow me out of the water, that and the Legacy born sons and daughters of Americas affluent will have most likely secured the good jobs.

    Thankfully my degree is in engineering so the apotizm problem isn't that bisg of a deal (rich kids prefer not to work to hard in school and choose GREAT WORLD CHANGING majors like lol ,comunnication!)

    Anyway what I am asking is what does it take to get in there and start working in my field, if it means I will have to move to a state that I know little about and being accepted by a person mile amiles away that has never met me?

    Oh
    please do feel free to email the answer . Its BBROOKS2@edison.edu

  31. badass2008*

    Just looking for advice…I mentioned everything in my cover letter (local address, why and when I am moving, stated that I would move on my own expense, along with an immediate start date, even stated that I lived there at one point) but no such luck, no one has bit. My next option is to pick up and leave and take my chances without a job offer (I have family to stay with but not for long), but that might be disastrous. I understand that moving is an emotional journey and I do anticipate my share of homesickness and crying, but such is the nature of growing up.

    Hopefully someone has a success story to share…I never want to give up on this aspiration.

    P.S. I live in Hawaii looking to move to Los Angeles; not sure if this contributes to the lack of employers calling me back.

    1. Frustrated*

      oh lucky you! i’ve been applying to hawaii but gave up since everyone who bothered to reply said they were only hiring local applicants. sigh…why does every business ONLY want local people to work for them??? i don’t get it!!! everyone on here is having the same problem! the company wants you to MOVE there without a job, possibly go broke living (if you can secure an apt without a job!) while jobhunting, and possibly 6 months later you could get a job. maybe. if you’re lucky. how the heck is anyone supposed to ever move to another state if this is how the process works?? i’ve been applying to jobs for 1.5 yrs and no luck! finally i realize i have to LIE and say i already live there to get any interest going. i am extremely qualified in my field, am currently working as a manager ( i hear no one will hire you unless you are NOW employed). i hate my job (boss, actually) but can’t quite because i know i won’t get hired unless i am currently employed. and saying i’m currently a manager sounds good to other employers. but darnit it doesn’t even matter now because i realize they don’t give a rat’s bum unless i am a manager in THEIR city! if i was a manager in the city i want to live in, i wouldn’t need your job!!!! ugh!!!!

  32. Chris*

    I graduated somewhat recently from college and have been seeking out-of-state entry level positions. Living in Northeast OH, there are virtually no opportunities for me in this area. I'm no stranger to long distance travel and have stated my willingness to relocate at my own expense in my cover letters. I'm mostly applying to jobs in DC and the surrounding areas but I've had very few bites thus far. I have money aside to cover relocation expenses and getting settled but I don't want to move without securing a job first. Granted I'm getting very close to considering it at this point. To me, having a willingness to travel at ones own expense to a new city for an interview and job shows initiative, not desperation.

    The job environment is tough right now and I can understand entry level positions being more difficult to secure for out of state applicants than locals. That said, I don't think location should be used as a written in stone prerequisite by HR personnel when reviewing applications.

  33. Nick Lacerenza*

    My name is Nick

    I'm 24 and recently began my process for LP Nursing school. I live in NY and I want to move to Seattle. I agree with the people here who say its degrading to say that willing to spend my own money to go fly in for an interview is "desperate". To me, it shows initiative and shows I'm dead serious about wanting the job b/c I'll pay my own money out of pocket just to sit down with someone for maybe only 20 minutes. My LPN course would start in March 2011 and end April 2012. I know Nursing is a great field and I shouldn't have trouble finding a job but I definitely can't live in NY. It's too expensive. Sure, Seattle is a whole lot cheaper but the places I've looked at to live in Seattle would cost double EASILY in NY. It's seems to be a nice city and the surrounding towns and cities seem great. I want something different. I'm currently working as a Medical Assistant while living at home with mom so I have no expenses outside of car insurance and gas money. Thus, i'm able to save money and be able to move to Seattle if hired with ease. Good Luck to all that are in my situation or something similiar. I'm sure we'll get what we want!

    1. Samantha*

      Only coming from New York (or San Francisco) could Seattle be thought of as affordable. And unlike in NY or SF, wages here are NOT commensurate with cost of living.

      1. MICHAEL MARINO*

        That doesn’t make sense. Yes they do because the cost of living is low so the pay is lower….

  34. Anonymous*

    Hey, glad I found this. So I'm from San Diego, been working in local TV for the past 8 years…and now I've decided to move to NYC in January 2011. Gonna stay with my uncle in Newark while I find a job/place, so I've got that advantage.
    Trying to find a TV job out there. I totally agree that it's better to build a network. From my experience in media, mostly everyone gets in by a hook-up. I honestly don't know anyone that has just gone on a company's website, applied, and got hired.

    1. Anonymous*

      I’ve been reading the posts re: out-of-state job applicants not getting hired, and HR’s disdain for them. Here’s an obvious question: Why do companies advertise positions on national job boards? Why don’t many of these ads (some do) state that they only hire or prefer local candidates?

      2. Anonymous*

        Because the person who writes the job description forgets to add it or they just leave it off to see what response they get. Then when they get 500 applicants to their low-paying mid-level position they have to whittle it down to a manageable number and obviously location is an easy filter. They don’t have time to carefully review each and every application. Don’t forget that over the past few years, HR departments have been decimated with layoffs and they now have one person handling the workload of 2-3 people a few years ago.

  35. Tennessee bound*

    I am in a little bit different situation, I am 41, married, with adult children. I am choosing to relocate from Indianapolis to Greeneville/Johnson City Tennessee in April 2011. I am moving to be close to family and starting my life over again minus the husband. I have 2 1/2 yrs on my current job in Customer Service, a diploma as a Medical Coding Specialist and am pursing my Associates Degree as a Medical Reimbursement Technologist. I do have numerous family members that I can stay with in TN, due to health concerns for myself as well as my disable dependent I would like a job when I arrive so that I do not run into pre-exsisting issues with a break in insurance coverage. When should I start looking for employment and sending out resume’s or applying on line? I too hope that everyone in HR does NOT have that simple minded, holier than though attitude of one of the HR rep responses and I hope that they are in this situation one day so they may learn empathy and humility.

  36. Anonymous*

    I can’t believe I admit this, but I am agreeing with what the first HR manager is saying.

    It is a LOT for a person to move to a different location. You need to find a place to live, get settled (made even more difficult if you have kids), etc. From what HR #1 said, I’m guessing that the reason they want local candidates is they want someone who is already settled and doesn’t have to deal with all of the distractions of moving to a new place.

    So if you do want to relocate, this is what I suggest:

    1) Try to get a job at a local company that has offices in the city where you’d like to move. Then request a transfer. Disadvantage: you’d need to wait some time to transfer, maybe like 6 months to a year at a minimum. Advantage: you’ll already have a job when you move (and it may have taken that long to look anyway).

    2) Find a way to network with smaller companies, or maybe the hiring manager at a larger company. Applying to a company’s website or the big job-shop sites never seems to work. At least for me. It didn’t work in the mid and late 90’s, when companies were hiring all over the place. And with a tighter job market now, I can’t imagine this changing.

  37. Gizzel*

    In response to the post right before this one; are you awake?

    “Try to get a job at a local company that has offices in the city where you’d like to move. Then request a transfer. Disadvantage: you’d need to wait some time to transfer, maybe like 6 months to a year at a minimum. Advantage: you’ll already have a job when you move (and it may have taken that long to look anyway).”

    Your response makes it appear as if there are jobs floating about everywhere and a person would just have to choose which company to work for so they could arrange a transfer. You’re out of your mind! This might work in Utopia…but if we were in Utopia, I would be rich and wouldn’t be looking at sites about finding jobs!

    1. Anonymous*

      Actually, that suggestion in particular made me realize that the last seasonal position I had was at a national company – and that could be a viable option. It would give me an income (not a great income.. but an income), a local address, local contacts – and time to find something thats actually in my field.

      It won’t necessarily work in every situation, but it is a good suggestion, imo.

  38. Mike*

    I’m a professional writer (journalism/corporate communications/PR) who is looking to move from OR to Boston. I’m looking for better job prospects — but also to enroll in a publishing certificate program at Boston University. However, my attending the program is contingent on getting a job there. Is it appropriate or advantageous to mention this in cover letters? Also, are there more accurate ways to assess a city’s job prospects/economy besides Craigslist ads or unemployment numbers? Thank you.

  39. Richard*

    I wanted to jump in and bash on Anon from 2 years ago also. Beating a dead horse I suppose but I’ll do it anyway.

    1. Maybe they are thoroughly familiar with the area they want to move to cause they used to live there, or have family or friends in the area, or have done more than their ‘due diligence’ and have several options lined up should they get a job offer. Maybe they have actually moved around a fair bit and realize that its really not that hard to move to a new city and make new friends and adapt. All it takes is a security deposit and a positive attitude.

    2. Three-hundred dollars for a plane ticket? Pfft – that’s not even a days pay for someone who makes over 75k a year and just one weeks pay for someone at minimum wage. Either way its unlikely that the interviewee is coming for your job interview and nothing else. They will be visiting friends, family, or “vacationing” for the rest of the time outside the few hours they might spend interviewing. Heck you can even use job hunting expenses as a tax deduction (see your tax adviser – yada yada).

    Not to overly repeat what many others have said but someone interested in moving to a new city and a new job is someone with an enormous amount of initiative, drive, desire, flexibility, and adaptability. Those without these traits they would most likely be doing whatever, wherever they are with no interest in tackling a move to greener pastures. These people wanting a job BEFORE they move are more responsible than those that ‘just pick up and move’ without a job waiting; and more honest than those that use a variety of tactics to appear to be a local when they aren’t.

    All these reasons are likely to make the person a BETTER candidate than someone local because they have CHOSEN TO and WANT TO relocate to where your company is. They have made some effort to find a location and/or a company that fits into where they see their life going.

    Peoples reasons for moving vary wildly and are as individual as each person. Family, friends, dreams, interests, hobbies, history, etc. are all perfectly valid and objective reasons for relocating.

    Loved the warm weather as teenager when your family lived in Florida then forced you to move to Wisconsin?

    Maybe to moved to some off the map location to temporarily care for a sick relative who has since past on and its time to do something you always wanted to?

    Your best friend moved somewhere after college and has spent years telling you what a great place they live.

    Maybe their last job moved them to the middle-of-nowhere as part of some “great career opportunity” then stranded them there when they “right-sized”.

    Your favorite hobby is astronomy and you have invested hundred of hours and thousands of dollars but live in an area that is chronically cloudy.

    Their grandfather always took them sailing as a kid and they want to live near the water but their family moved inland?

    Maybe they have severe allergies to their local allergens, pollens, molds, etc.

    Maybe the person loves your local art or music or sports scene.

    They have been ordered by their doctor to move to some other climate because they have some medical condition.

    Maybe they have a great interest in some local history or would like to take classes at some local university.

    There are tons of hobbies that are extremely region or location specific. Whitewater rafting, skiing, hiking, astronomy, sailing/boating/water-sports, flying/gliding/para, scuba, mountain climbing, gardening, wineries, museums, and on and on…

    2. Rachel*

      “All it takes is a security deposit and a positive attitude”

      I agree! I am in my mid-20s and have relocated for both my undergraduate and graduate studies, and relocation is just 2nd nature to me. It is NOT hard for someone like me (single, no kids, barely any furniture) to rent a uHaul and drive 1000 miles, and find an apartment, I’ve already done it twice before, and I didn’t break down and cry and get homesick or anything stupid like that. I’ve lived in the Midwest, East coast, and Appalachia and never once was the “culture shock” just too much for me. A positive attitude and an adventurous spirit is all it takes. Simple as that.

  40. jdogg*

    Unfortunatly, the guy who everyone is mad at is right. Buisness is buisness. Best move in my opinion is do whatever you need to do to get past it. Stay on track and don’t let those HOUR ppl stop your dreams of being better. I am currently looking to move from MI to TX and have mostly negetive results for about 4 months. The only advice I have is try to start an on phone relationship with someone in the company. Secretary, etc. Always try to get on the phone with the same person and be cordial, and freindly. Maybe even crack a few jokes. Never know. It may be because they learn to like you or get sick of hearing from you, but if it gets you in, does it matter. GL everyone

  41. Shae*

    I wish I had read this topic BEFORE I sent out my resume… But now I need advice on how to proceed. I am in the process of relocating to a City where most of my family is located, just because. I sent my resume, with my current address to an employer there. Their HR Manager responded that although my qualifications were impressive, they preferred to hire someone local and would keep my resume for any positions in my current area. Should I reply that I am already relocating and will be there within 3 weeks of finding employment? That I am not looking for a position in my current area? Or should I take the no, and keep looking?

  42. Yvette Edwards*

    I’m planning on moving to San Diego , California in Feb 2012. I do need a job over there before I move but I’ve set up a place to stay until I find one just in case. My reason, a few reasons actually.
    I got my degree here in VA, for gaming and simulation programming. I’m from San Diego and have friends and family there. So moving there would not send me into shock of any kind. I know full well how much housing and food are there. I’m also planning of attending college for a masters degree after I’m settled.

    Bad idea?
    I’m making almost nothing working here in VA for a military contractor.

    1. Anonymous*

      Yvette, When I click on your name it brings me to a website but all the links to about/bio/contact are broken.

      I have contacts at a gaming company in both NY/NJ and CA.
      I’m looking to move to DC/MD/VA.. maybe we can share contacts :)

      1. Yvette Edwards*

        I’d be happy to help you out but I don’t know of any gaming companies around here. I do know that having clearance and or military experience in this area is how you get ahead. My Father-in-law works for Northrop Grumman, he’s well known, so him as a ref will get you somewhere.

        email me: vettevill@gmail.com

        1. Anonymous*

          Yvette – I have contacts in gaming FOR YOU. I’ll email you my linkedin address.

          No problem on my end if you don’t have contacts in VA for me.. although before you move you really should link to them via Linkedin.. once you do that you can ask for recommendations which will be visible – and helpful – to you in your job search in CA! :)

          Also, if the website that clicking on your name brings me to is your site – fix the links to your contact info so people can find you.. if they like the site but have no way to contact you that doesn’t look good.

          I’ll email you off-board with Linkedin address.

  43. Anonymous*

    My husband had three phone interviews and was flown out for an in-person interview for an out of state job last Tuesday. He did a superb job during the interview, but has not gotten ANY feedback from the HR Manager. His interview was quite long, three hours. During that time, they took him on a tour of the facility and the managers were using key phrases like “You will get the hang of it after some time.” or “It’s not that hard. You will be able to handle this.”

    The plant manager also said they were highly impressed with his knowledge and experience and that he would be hearing from them really soon.

    It has almost been a full week and my husband is starting to get nervous. He knows he did well during the interview and wants to know what gives?!? He is considering other jobs, but really wants this one. What advice do you have for me?

    Thanks!

    An anxious wife…..

    2. Anonymous*

      Dear anxious wife,

      I can relate. I’m living on the east coast and recently had an interview in my home state back west. I was treated to lunch and even knew some of the employees from another position. After lunch, I was given an office tour and asked repeatedly “can you see yourself working with us.” It’s a smaller law firm – I’m an attorney – and I knew they probably wouldn’t pay a lot. They asked for my “needs” to which I promptly responded…and was very reasonable. I received an email thanking me and that they would consider my number. After a week of no response, I emailed and received another response saying they’ve been busy and will talk it over this week. Well…that was 4 weeks and counting now….I’ve given up any hope. Aside from the obvious (not getting a job), it speaks volume to their level of professionalism. This is especially troubling since its a small legal community, they know me, and know that I may end up in the area after all. The only thing I can say regarding your issue is that your husband should definitely follow up! A letter/email first, then a well-placed phone call. I emailed, which may have been too passive-aggressive and unfortunately is too standard these days. Your husband knows how they would respond since he met them, but he should definitely make his continued interest known. If you haven’t sent a thank you card yet, that is the perfect opportunity.

  44. Stacey*

    I have been searching for a job in Philadelphia since June 2010. I have been trying to relocate there to be closer to family, but will not move until I secure a new job (currently have a good job with benefits, can’t afford to ditch it). I have an advanced degree, 10 years experience and exceptional references, but it’s like my resume goes to the bottom of the pile because I currently live in DC. It’s a 2.5hr drive, not a major relocation! I honestly don’t believe HR people are bothering to read my cover letters because they always say things like, “Well, we don’t pay relocation”, yeah well if you’d read my letter you’d know I don’t need it AND that I could start work after having given my current employer 2 weeks’ notice.

    Also, securing an out of state job must have been a lot easier when the economy wasn’t tanking and experienced PhD’s weren’t willing to take low wage jobs for which they’re vastly over-qualified. I’m so frustrated at this point.

    1. Anonymous*

      Stacey,

      I feel your frustration. I’m an attorney with about 3 years of good experience, including trial work, which is rare for young attorneys. I’m licensed in Colorado and living in NJ – moved for personal reasons. However, because I can’t even get a lousy document review job (attorney grunt work) in NYC/NJ, I’m having to look back west. Everything else on my resume is from Colorado, including my undergraduate work and I still can’t get any calls. I have even applied to entry level positions. I could understand if I had no CO roots, but I’m licensed there so obviously I’ve made the commitment to practice there. Incredibly, some HR people have called/emailed and were oblivious to the fact I was an out-of-state applicant! Do they even read resumes or cover letters?? I don’t want to move if there’s no job, but am now starting to wonder if it’s necessary….

    2. problemsolver*

      1. Set up a Virtual Office in Philadelphia (if you don’t know what that is google it).
      2. Get a Philadelphia phone number that you can use over the internet or forward to your current number. (for example, Vitelity)
      3. Put your Philadelphia contact info on your resume and any online profiles you have (i.e. LinkedIn).

      Some have said this seems dishonest. I don’t see how it’s lying if you maintain an office location in another city, especially if you intend on transitioning or selling something (i.e. your skills) there. Companies as well as Independent Consultants do it all the time. If a company is looking to move, they first set up a tiny office while they work through all the logistics. Why should it be any different for individuals selling their services? If asked specifically about it by a nit-picking HR person, just say you are already in the process of moving and are using an office address until you find a permanent residence. That is no lie and they may even be impressed by your ingenuity and perseverance.

      Besides, most of the time, your application is just being filtered out because the over-worked HR staffperson doesn’t have time to go through the hundreds of applications they receive for a single opening, not because they REALLY only want to hire somebody who has lived locally for an extended period.

  45. Erin D.*

    I’ve been having this same exact problem as well. I graduated in May 2010, with a degree in broadcast journalism. I’ve been attempting to relocate to the DC area for almost a year (I currently live in Richmond, VA), and the #1 reason why several employers have told me they don’t “feel comfortable” hiring me is because I’m from Richmond and my commute (30 minutes if I stay in Northern VA for a few months with family before securing a permanent residence) would be too much. It’s been frustrating me so much. I’m tired of hearing how I have a great resume, but that my commute would be too long. Meanwhile, I know people that have relocated all of the country with little issues. I’ve started thinking about attempting to relocate to another area entirely but after reading some of these comments, I’m not sure what to do anymore. #LeSigh

    1. Anonymous*

      A 30 minute commute is too long??? What are they looking for, somebody within walking distance?

    2. Pamela*

      “Commute?” People in the Bay Area commute in from LOS ANGELES. That’s 8 hours’ drive at best each way and they’re thinking about putting in a commuter rail for the distance; as it is Southwest Airlines has “commuter” flights from LAX-SFO.

      Boy, people in other parts of the country are commuter WIMPS.

      1. Kelly*

        I agree, this is a really lame excuse covering for some other reason why they don’t want to hire you. I’ve been in the exact same position so I know it’s frustrating. When interviewers say things like “My, that would be such a loooong commute each day for you!” and I reply, “Not at all, I’ve had long commutes since high school, and I plan to relocate closer once I’m settled into a position.” Doesn’t matter though, I’ve interviewed enough times that this seems to be a hint they’re not very interested.

        @Pamela: Seriously? 8 hours each way? Do these people go home everyday? i don’t see how they can afford to fly every week either… they must stay in extended stay motels during the week or something? that’s definitely a commute!

  46. Alexandra*

    I’m so happy I found this AAM site!
    I am currently in a simila situation as well. I’m about to graduate with my undergrad in Indiana, and am wanting to relocate to Phoenix. It’s not a problem for me to do so because I have family in the area – heck I ususally travel there 1-2x a year for vacation. I just wish employers would at least call me back to tell me yay or nay… That way I can maybe explain myself a little more clearer.

    1. Anonymous*

      Alexandra, you should be outlining the fact that you have a connection to the area in your cover letter and e-mail correspondence, if you don’t then they won’t see the connection.

  47. DC/MD/VA Bound*

    I am having the some of the same issue. I lived in the DC area for about 5 years and had to move back home to Philly. I am now trying to relocate back to the DC area, but finding it difficult to do so. I have family and friends, but would rather move back without having to stay with them. I did find some of the information on this blog helpful, especially with using a different address or explainging you relocation in your cover letter. For those looking to move to DC, just keep in mind although DC is hiring for a vast amount of jobs, it is a competitive market. I wish everyone good luck on their job search and follow your dreams….

  48. Katie*

    So I’m a graphic designer looking to relocate from Cleveland. I am willing to move to Chicago, Portland, Nashville, Columbus, or Cinncinatti. Those are all areas I have found to have good design jobs that are a fit. I am curious if looking at multipule areas is a good idea or if I should focus in on one. I want to get a job that is a great fit and don’t want to cut myself off from a great opportunity but I also want potential employers that I’m serious about moving. Do you have any thoughts or advice?

  49. Anonymous*

    I am a HR Manager in Seattle and bottom line is this, if I have an entry level position open and we can source candidates locally then we won’t consider out of state applicants, UNLESS it’s a state close by, for instance someone who lives in Portland applying for an entry level position in Seattle is a lot more realistic a scenario then someone who lives across the country coming in for an interview. We know they can get in for an interview in a timely manner, which is the issue with people that live far away. I completely understand why someone can’t quit their job and move before finding a new position, but you also have to understand that in some areas there are plenty of local candidates available that can come in and interview and get the balling rolling within a day or two. It’s important to let the HR department know why you may be moving to an area, if you have family there or used to live there then it’s a lot more understandable then someone who is just applying randomly to jobs in every city. HR managers want to know you’ve really thought about moving and are serious about it. Research the areas you’re applying to, I get a lot of entry level resumes from out of state and we have four great colleges at our disposal in close proximity to downtown so it’s simply hard to compete and that’s what it’s hard to tell people, they often just don’t want to hear it. Now, for upper level positions that are harder to fill and that we may not be able to source locally then we will consider out of state applicants.

    1. William*

      Well, thank goodness not all HR Managers think the way you do! Otherwise no one would move, EVER! Look, here’s the deal; if the applicant is willing to put the extra effort and show the company they’re applying for that they’re serious about the position there should be no reason why an out-of-state applicant woudn’t be able to compete with applicants applying for the same position who are already living there.

      If HR is responsible enough to give the applicant a date and time for the interview in advance and the applicant is willing to do what it takes to show up on time, I don’t see there being any issues for someone coming out of state.

      I’ve known people who can’t make it to work on time in their own state, so it really doesn’t matter where your at – it’s how responsible you are that counts!

      If a company can hire an HR Manager who makes statements like, “balling rolling” when it should read “ball rolling” and not have a problem, well I don’t see why anyone else would have a problem applying out of state. Keep a positive outlook and you’ll do fine!

    2. Washingtonian Stuck in KY*

      That is why I can’t move back to my home state! I am from WA and have been trying to get out of KY for THREE YEARS!! I only moved to KY after I separated from the military because it was the only place where I could find a job. I gave KY a shot and I decided that I hate it here (I won’t go into detail as it will be a novel). I miss my family, I miss my friends, I miss being around like-minded people, and I want to come home but because there are people out there like you in charge of screening resumes, I can’t and I’m miserable! I’m sure you too would be miserable living in a land-locked place with nothing to do, surrounded by people that act completely the opposite of how you were raised! If I were still in WA and found an applicant stuck in the Midwest/South who WANTS to come home, I would give them a shot along with everyone else! I would certainly do it for you if you were in my shoes. Thank you for making me lose hope.

    3. Anonymous*

      “It’s important to let the HR department know why you may be moving to an area, if you have family there..”

      As an HR Manager would you rather hear ‘family’ or something more specific, i.e. ‘my daughter’. I ask because I feel there is a vast difference between my 2nd or 3rd cousins/long lost somebody and a close relative.

      Also would that answer change depending on the job level/position?

      My ‘field’ is pretty general (Admin/Customer Service) and I’m not ‘top candidate’ due to gaps (had an accident, then 2 years later was assaulted -recovery took awhile. Am 100% now, neither is an issue).
      Thank you!

  50. Jessie*

    I am currently trying to obtain a position in Atlanta (moving from Massachusetts), is there anyone out there (in Atlanta) who is in need of an Executive Assistant????

  51. JoJo*

    I am 20 years old and i am currently trying to find a way to get to El paso and have a job, I am pretty much leaving everything to go fulfill something personal and i need this more then anything, in that fact how do i go about getting a job and setting my self up for success? I would love to know some tips about moving and i just need to get things rolling so i can finally be happy with situations at hand

  52. Anonymous*

    I am glad none of this debate makes any sense to me.

    I am moving from Boston to Oklahoma City, and no HR will talk me out of it.

    I work as a network engineer and am very unemployed.

    1. Ashley*

      Well, I am using this helpful information and I am moving forward with my search. I am relocating to Oklahoma City from Atlanta, Ga.

  53. michael marino*

    I think everyone should take what is said on here with a grain of salt. You should go after what you want no matter what people tell you how hard it is or how much of a struggle it will be. Use this site for advice, but never let it persuade you to not go after what you want to go after.

    I think one of the biggest problems is getting past HR and to the hiring manager. Most likely, HR has no idea about your area of expertise and they just go by what you write on your resume. This is a major problem because well qualified applicants get tossed out because of HR’s lack of understanding.

  54. Justin*

    Hey everyone, I’ve read all of the comments and you all share my frustration.

    I’m currently in NY but want to relocate to Texas. I’m a recent law graduate and I’ve been out for over a year. I’ve applied to countless jobs and have never once gotten a call back from any place in Texas.

    Is there any way I can get a P.O. Box in the city of my choice or something that would help me get a call back? My NY address is obviously not benefiting me. I’m willing to fly down for an interview and everything. I state in my cover letter I’m looking to relocate and yada, yada, yada…yet no call backs.

    Any advice on any way I can show I have some type of Texas address?

    Thanks,
    Justin

    PS – Good luck to everyone in the same boat as me as well!

  55. Miss Tejas*

    Justin, Texas has somthing in place called the “good ole boy” system. Try networking and head hunters. I am trying these things myself. I’m in Texas but I am trying to get back to Honolulu. I would be tickled pink for anymore suggestions. I am only looking at state and federal positions because I’m a vet, so I am hoping I will have a better time of finding a job in Hawaii. I have church memembers and Army buddies that stayed after being discharged, so I do know people. Like many of the people before me, I would rather leave Texas with a job in Hawaii already. I don’t want to depend on others at all.

  56. SonggirlI*

    I have been trying to relocate to PA or FL. I have a broad range of locations in both states that I am willing to move to being that I have family/friends in each area. With that said, I found a few jobs that I know would be great for me and I am considering emailing the HR Recruiter. Although, I have formally applied for the position, would it look deseperate of me to email them? If not, any sample wording on the email? I have put together a draft email but I am not sure if I should send it.. suggestion? Thanks everyone

  57. Anonymous*

    I have been trying to move out of Kentucky for YEARS (I’m not from here and its not my cup of tea)! I even stated in cover letters that I was willing to cover my own expenses. I never hear back from companies out of state and I think my resumes are going in the shredder. I fear that I will NEVER get out of here. Trust me guys, there are worse places to live! I would give my right leg to live in any of the states you guys say you’re living now!

  58. Leah*

    Everything has been so helpful!!! I’ve been trying to relocate for years also, and I just have to believe that soon, and very soon I hope everything will work for me. I’m in GA, and hoping to move to the West Coast/Midwest, where I’ve read and researched that in my field I have a good shot. I have a B.S. in Psychology and if anyone knows of the best areas for that field please let me know! I’ve always wondered how do I get employers to look at my resume, well after reading some of your post I’ve taken notes and now I’m ready to make improvements, and soon go ahead and make the move! Hope everyone is successful in all your endeavors!

    1. Jamie*

      Good luck – and keep in mind the cost of living is radically different between the Midwest and west coast so it’s a good idea to have very different salary requirements for each.

      I have first hand experience in this – I’m from the Midwest originally, but lived in California for several years in the 90’s…and trust me…it doesn’t even feel like the same currency.

  59. Rj*

    I recently graduated with a B.A. in art history. Being a midwesterner (somewhat rural at that) I’m curious if I even have a shot in the entry level market. I’m trying to find a job at a gallery, auction house or smaller sized creative company. In fact, part of the reason I pursued this degree was the prospect of being more involved in the “art world,” which is practically nonexistent where I’m from.

    1. Kristin*

      I live in CT, frequently visit NYC, and know several artists/art professors in NYC. The “art world” is very small and galleries hire interns/entry level employees based on who they know personally. The more you attend gallery openings and form personal relationships with others immersed in the art world, the more often you’ll be considered for jobs. Acquaintances who have B.A.s in Art History have been hired for great (really interesting) entry level jobs after interning with artists.

      If there are any museums in your area, volunteer to be a docent to build a repertoire with local historians/critics/buyers. If there are any galleries, ask if you could help with administrative work, publicity, or anything else they may need. If you show an active interest in working with artists and managers, you’ll lay the groundwork necessary to land a stellar art position.

      1. Anonymous*

        I concur! Excellent advice. Also, join Linkedin and set up a profile. There are many professional groups you can join and then you have people you can connect to in your field. Make sure to find your Alumni group(s) and join those as well.

        Send invitations to those in your email list/fb list etc.
        Look for your professors and send them invitations to connect.

        This is the beginning of your network. Now look at all those 2nd degree contacts – you can write them a short note via saying why you want to connect (you can do this with just the basic, not paid membership).

        (disclaimer: I learned a new term here on AAM yesterday: astroturfing – I don’t work for Linkedin or any company etc connected to them. Just trying to pass on info)

        Hope this helps!

        Oh, and btw.. for those that think that Linkedin is just for certain professions – not true. I have seen (and in my own network too) very diverse professions in all areas of the country (and other countries too). Good luck!

  60. Fan B*

    Many people looking for out of state jobs set multiple appointments over several days in order to obtain a job in the city they would like to move to. During their visit to the prospective city, they also scope out places to live and sightsee. The cost of the airplane ticket is not just based on a single interview. I guess Anonymous didn’t really think it through…..Maybe I should have his or her job!!!!

    I live in Pasadena, California and had a fifteen year career in liability claims. I moved to Australia for two years, and returned to find that it seems all jobs in my field have dried up. California is a very business-Unfriendly state. I’ve been looking for two years and cannot find a full time position.

    I’ve made a decision to move out of state in order to gain employment. Does anyone know of a job for a claims person, or need a general liability adjuster, supervisor or manager? I’m very hard working and professional. I also have a strong background in the restaurant industry. Thanks for any insight anyone can provide!

    1. SKK*

      FAN B – I’m not sure what areas you are wanting to move to but I know that with the impending circumstances surrounding the tornadoes of April 27 – I’m sure that the insurance companies are needing individuals. Also, I have a friend who used to be a private investigator and currently resides in Houston, Tx. She talked with a PI who is currently involved with insurance companies for fraud abuse and prevention. It could be that you could get in that way – but just a thought. If you want to contact me you can do so at the following email: skk (dot) cissp (at) gee mail (dot) com.

      Good luck with your search!!

      1. Fan B*

        Thanks for the encouragement SKK. I’ve actually had two interviews since I decided to apply for jobs that are located outside of my area. I’ve explained honestly to the interviewer that I’ve been unable to obtain a full time job for two years in my area and surrounding areas, and that I decided to move for a job. Both interviewers were very open to my explanation and one actually offered the job to me. I’m happy that I took the chance and wasn’t discouraged by that anonymous post from 2009. I’m expecting another offer and will accept one or the other. To others, I would say try new ideas and go for it, because you have nothing to lose!

  61. Karen*

    Well…I don’t know if anyone is still active here but I guess I’ll vent my frustrations anyway.

    I just graduated from college in January as a journalism major (I’m in San Francisco) and I’d like to move to LA or New York because I’m interested in writing and reporting on entertainment and that’s where all the action is. I’ve tried applying for related jobs here in SF and I’ve interviewed with some wonderful companies but they haven’t pursued me further. I also had an interview with a publication in LA (Flew in and out for a day at my own expense) but didn’t get the job either. I actually would like to stay in SF but prospects haven’t been that good for me here and after eight months, I’m just willing to take what is offered to me. I just recently found a job posting for a position in New York–not really sure if it’s considered entry-level (The ad doesn’t mention how many years of experience you need), but I think I could qualify. But suddenly this article has given me second thoughts about even applying. I don’t have plans to move to NY already. I don’t have family or close friends there but I’ve visited once and I’d be fine living there only if I did get a job there. But I would hate to move anywhere first BEFORE I could find a job.

    1. Ask a Manager* Post author

      Entertainment reporting is a super competitive field in LA and NY, to say nothing of the added challenge of applying long-distance. I’d recommend getting some experience where you are first, and then use that as your way in to the job you ultimately want.

    2. William*

      Karen,
      Don’t let any discouraging words from some of these people who have posted on here get you down! Some of the people on here have made it seem like finding a job in another state is near impossible.

      I’m currently in Miami, FL and plan on moving back to Los Angeles in the near future. Do what you have to in order to make it happen!

      * Plan trips to the state in which you want to be in
      * Change the address on your resume to reflect the city your moving to
      *Work with interviewers and companies and be upfront with them – make them believe that moving is important to you!
      *If you have friends in that city – even better!

      Finding a job in another state is not impossible – you just may have to take extra steps. Goodluck!

      1. Karen*

        Thanks William. I really appreciate the encouragement and advice.

        I guess one thing I forgot to mention is that last summer I had an internship with an entertainment website in Los Angeles, so I’ve built a decent network of folks who I’ve kept in touch with through email, social media, etc. But a couple of problems I have is not keeping in touch with them enough and exactly how to find out about job opportunities through them. I guess I just want to know what is the best way to reconnect with the people I don’t keep in touch with often and for both the people I do get in touch with regularly and the newer folks, what’s the best way to go about asking “Is your company hiring or is someone you know looking for someone?” Is there some sort of etiquette for that or do you just have to be straight forward?

        Thanks again William for the encouraging comment and thank you to everyone else. Love reading all the different advice and insights. :)

  62. Brian*

    I’ve been trying to relocate to the Minneapolis – St. Paul area from Florida for a year, and I’ve included in my cover letter comments about looking to move, that I’ve been to the area, and that I will not need relocating expense help. I know the area well, know many of the companies up there, but when I put my resume in for jobs I’m well-qualified for, I hear nothing back. I’m currently employed in Florida, so I guess that might make it more difficult, but things are really starting to take their toll on my morale. I’ve been trying to move due to a long distance relationship, I just graduated from college last December with a degree in accounting and I work in Fraud Prevention/Risk Management right now, which is something I find very interesting. I have a bit of experience with my internships, I did well in school, I’m currently employed so I AM hirable, but it’s proving to be impossible to move to Minneapolis.

    I need help!

    1. William*

      Brian,
      Did you think that maybe companies in St. Paul or most states for that matter are not willing to pick up moving expenses for you?

      Moving expenses can be costly. My advice would be to make it more convenient for the companies in St. Paul. I’m sure you’re more than qualified but because you (like me) are in Florida. Show them you’re willing to sacrifice on cost and that you’re willing to go the extra mile to work for them.

      Why not utilize your significant other? I’m assuming she’s in St. Paul right now. Her living there has to be an advantage for you. Goodluck Dude!

      1. Brian*

        I said that I don’t need relocating expense in my cover letter, so I’m not asking for help in that area.

        Her living there isn’t exactly that much of an advantage. She’s going back to school right now, so she’s just going to be an expense when I get up there, if I ever do, which is why one of us has to have a full time job.

        It’s not that easy. If I could just move on the savings I have, then I would have done that a long time ago. Things are getting to be stressful though.

  63. alexandra*

    I am trying to relocate back to phila after living in los angeles for 7 years. I have a great job and dont want to quit…in a bad economy without having a new job…but im getting frustrated. I put my parents pa address on ky rez, and hr assumes i live there, and the address of my current employer is a corporate address (in los angeles). I work .in sales so i guess they assume i telecommute or something. They act VERY interested in me but once they find out im not physically there at the moment…i lose them

  64. Anonymous*

    Is it considered lying on an application though if you listed a friend’s address that lives in the city and/or area that you intend to move to once you find employment? Would that come back to haunt you in some way? I am just curious because it seems that even though I am qualified for the jobs that I’ve been applying to, it more often than not, comes down to the fact that I don’t live in the area. However, I am wanting to relocate a.s.a.p.

    1. William*

      I wouldn’t think so! Utilize whoever you can; friends, family that live in the area! As long as you’re not stealing from someone I’d say what the company doesn’t know won’t hurt them.

      In the end – no one’s going to care how or why you moved just so long as you’re there.

  65. Fan B*

    I’ve posted before and am following up. I accepted an out of the area job (55 miles away) last week. I’d been looking in my area for 2 1/2 years. I started applying for positions located outside of my area and was called by four companies for interviews. When the subject came up, I told each interviewer about looking for so long with no results. I realized that I needed to change my actions since nothing was happening. I explained that I wanted to move from the area since I was unable to support myself. All of the interviewers didn’t seem bothered by this. I ended up with three offers and the last company calling for a second interview. I accepted the best offer that was conditioned on the premise that I’d move. Throughout this process, I did research into each area, looking on websites like realtor.com and Craigslist, checking into the housing costs and other factors. Therefore during the interviews I was able to answer the interviewer’s questions with confidence. I had to locate a place to live prior to finding out my start date, as the company was quite adamant that I move. I’m very happy that I was honest and proactive about explaining my situation and willingness to move. I would recommend this to anyone and I hope it works for someone else. I’m looking forward to working full time with benefits and having some additional stability the job will bring to my life. Good luck to everyone!

  66. Monique*

    The comments on this article have been very helpful. I am in Cleveland, OH trying desperately to move to the DC/Maryland area. I’m not having any luck on my job search… AT. ALL. I’m considering the Teaching Fellows program just to get there. But I’d rather land a job with NPR or some other public affairs media organization.

    Can anyone recommend a good headhunter/recruiter in DC/VA/Maryland? I’m really frustrated.

    1. Kristina*

      Monique

      I am right there with you. I’m outside of Detroit and trying to move to Florida/Georgia/Virginia area but with no luck. I’m graduating next May (could speed it up to December) and have no husband/kids/baggage. I’m considering the Teaching Fellows program as well just to have some experience on my resume.

  67. Pamela*

    Bottom line is that HR people are hell-bent on telling everyone who’s looking for a job in another state to just stay where we are and never work again if that’s what our local economy is like – too bad. You don’t live HERE right NOW so don’t bother us.

    Some people get around that one by picking up anyway and moving to the new city and just taking their chances on homelessness because after all if you don’t show up with a job already, as previously mentioned, no one will rent to you or let you in as a room-for-rent-in-their-house situation.

    Another way of showing up in a new city but still with NO MONEY is to apply to college in that city or state. That won’t help your job marketability, though, being seen as a permanent “grad student.”

    It’s a sign of desperation, I know, but showing up somewhere you want to be as a grad student, taking your chances of meeting the “right” people and not winding up on the streets if the city doesn’t have a homeless shelter, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

  68. Anonymous*

    I graduated from college last May and moved from New York to San Diego try something new and things just have not worked out the way I thought they would. I did not have a job lined up in San Diego, I saved money and took my chances. It took me three months to find the position I was looking for. I have a good full time position now in San Diego as a paralegal, but would like to make my transition back to New York. ( I would like to work as a paralegal in NYC and begin to apply to Law School by the end of next year) My resume states that I am currently employed in San Diego, with a San Diego address, however, my cover letter states that I will be moving back to New York by the end of the year. I feel as if there is so much technology out there today, that applying for out of state positions should not be as difficult as it used to be. I am fully capable of a phone interview or a video interview over the internet. Are employers willing to set up this kind of interview? I think it could be beneficial for a lot of us. If any one has any other advice to get me home with a job lined up, please let me know.

    1. LJ*

      If you’re still out there, I would love to know if you’re still in San Diego. I would stay there if I were you (again, just my opinion).

  69. Alex*

    I would like to relocate from Salt Lake City, Utah to Seattle, Washington or the area around there. Currently employed but don’t know the best way to make the jump. Actually it scares the hell out of me however that’s still what I want to do. I have always wanted to move there since I did a state report for the fifth grade. Thinking about just saving money to live on for six months or so and then hope for the best. However I would be giving up a good paying job to follow my ambitions. Any Advice?

  70. ME Georgia Tech Graduate*

    Great advice on these comments!

    I graduated from Georgia Tech in May and moved from Atlanta back home with my parents to Boston while job hunting. Because of my girlfriend, experience at Georgia Tech, and friends, I have decided that Atlanta is where I want to be. I have stated on my cover letter that I plan on relocating to Atlanta and I mention the dates I will be in town for an interview next (usually for a long a weekend because I have been working a day job while at home), but I have gotten zero interviews. I’m worried that because I am seeking an entry level position and I am not readily available for an in-person interview, my resume is being ignored. I will change my cover letter to include that I am able to pay my own relocation expenses. Any other advice?

  71. Jazzy*

    OK, so I had to get in on this. I have had lots of expereince at this and here it goes. In my experience if you do not have a job, stay with someone! And move Dammitt! You will find a job sooner or later and get your own place. I went from MI to MD in 2003 luckily I stayed with someone because I could not find a job for the year I was there and i left. I moved there for my ex. I then went from MD to MI stayed with fam and got a job no problem. I then moved from MI to KY, big mistake if you are BLACK. You must have a job fist in KY unless you have family there who can pull you in to their employer. If you are an engineer you can relocate and find a job anywhere. (I am not) I have moved around a lot some by choice mostly by force. Long story short, it depends on where you go and how people there think. I went from KY to IN and again found a job once I was there because I had not idea I would end up here. Long story short, if you don’t have anyone to live with, save an get a place first then job. Sounds backwards but thats what I have done several times. Now Im leaving IN and going to TX which is where I have always planned to be and if I don’t find a job before June 2012 I’m leaving anyway. This is the case of the building blocks. Move to the state while still looking, stay with someone until you find a job. That simple! I have to agree with most people, unless you are 6 figure material most compaines will not look at your resume. I have had this expereince for more than 11 years now its true. Be local or act like you are and be ready to interview if you are lucky enough to get a call.

    1. Mykel Marion*

      I will definitely take “looking like I am local while applying” into consideration. Because it will be for basic customer service jobs or anything I can find to get me settled.

  72. Moving for College ?*

    I am in Michigan and I would like to go to a college in New York. Would it be necessary for me to find a job BEFORE I move ?

  73. Mykel Marion*

    Hi, I’m 26 and will be relocating to New jersey in Late may/early june to attend college. I currently live in St. Louis, Mo and am attending my last semester at this college before I transfer. My semester ends around May 15th and I would like some advice on how to obtain a job in the New Jersey area around late may/ june. First, when would be a good time to apply for jobs? I am currently working on my resume and cover letter now and think late february would be a good time to start sending out my resumes and applying. Another question is can I request an over the phone interview with someone before traveling? I do have flying benefits, but don’t want to use all of them on just flying to interviews and never getting any calls back. Lastly, I would like any other tips or advice on how or what I should do while getting ready to relocate? I was thinking of using my sister’s address when applying so it’ll look like I already have a place. Anyway, would love to hear any feedback! Thank you.

  74. Jim*

    “2. Why would they pay $300 for a round trip flight for an interview? It reeks of desperation.”

    You’re completely out of touch. NEWSFLASH, yes OF COURSE people are desperate because getting a job in this economy is INCREDIBLY difficult right now.

    Smh.

  75. Jonathon*

    I wouldn’t listen to or hire anyone who reeks of misspelled words and bad grammar in their comments, either. I mean, who does that? *rolls eyes* HR people really do make me sick to my stomach sometimes in their lack of relevance to an employer. I didn’t really catch onto their villainous efforts until I started to read Nick Corcodilos’ blog about recruiters, headhunters, and the employment industry.

    Listen, if you offer value, you should be able to work anywhere you want, not restrictive of a geographic location. I understand that hiring of an out-of-state entry-level candidate may pose a huge risk to the employer, however, if the position is hard-to-fill, then it would make sense to search nationwide.

  76. Amma*

    I’m also in a similiar situation. I live in Atlanta and would like to return to Boston. I’m a Radiologic Technologist and I’m originally from that area, have friends and family I could stay with, if needed. I personally would rather not impose on them but I do have that option. I’ve been educated there, lived there for 23 years and basically know that area inside and out. So I know EXACTLY what I’d be getting into.

    I’ve been applying for almost a year with no luck. I’ve stated the above in my cover letters, have saved the money to cover 1st months rent plus deposit. I’ve contacted moving companies and have saved enough to cover that expense. I’ve saved enough money to cover one month of bills plus enough to cover “unexpected expenses” for the same amount of time. I’ve trained in CT and am now training in Mammo in order to make myself more marketable. I haven’t heard a thing yet and I’ve gotten so discouraged. Then, to add insult to injury, we have HR claiming anyone out of state looking to relocate “reeks” of desperation!! Well maybe I am, however, I see myself as proactive. I’ve done my homework. I’ve taken the initiative to ensure I’m a valuable asset to whoever hires me. I have experience, drive and ambition. I could be up in Boston within three weeks as I’m pretty much living 0ut of boxes at the moment. I don’t know what more these HR people want.

  77. Nigel*

    I’ve been out of college and working in sales for about two years, and have been unsuccessfully trying to both find a position in my preferred field (marketing) and move from the Philadelphia region to New York. While hearing how easily HR dismisses out of state applicants is not surprising, it is extremely disheartening, as I am only about two hours away and am trying to move for a number of legitimate reasons (family, close friends, the city itself, ect.)

    In every application, cold call and cold inquiry, I have emphasized both the closeness of my current location to New York, and the fact I am ready, willing and able to move without aid and with little notice other than the two weeks that I’d need to give my current job. Despite this, I have either been ignored (most likely in no small part to HR manager location bias), or have been told in both email responses and interviews that I should either seek employment in my current market or move to the New York metro, as if I were an applicant from California! I also find it difficult to lie about where I live, as I don’t want to come off as dishonest, and I don’t think that such a nearby location should incite such dismissive behavior.

    I am not desperate for any job in any location, as some of the HR personnel that have posted on this forum have suggested that applying in a different market implies. I have simply chosen where I want to be.

    Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas about how I should go about approaching this? Are there any specific doors that i should be knocking on that I haven’t considered?

    1. Jonathon*

      Rather than cold calling or e-mailing, have you attempted to do any warm network follow-up? Maybe you have colleagues that you already know who work in NYC that can provide you some guidance on the best ways to find work in the city? I don’t know, but what I do know is this. So many job applicants are wasting their time applying for jobs online, while most of those jobs have already been filled or they are already considering someone internally until someone more competitive pops up. 90% of the time beating out the competition usually does not work for a lot of job candidates who are entry-level. Another reason why applying for ads online that go through HR is that some of the job advertisements are not job descriptions! The ads are poorly written and they don’t appeal to most job seekers anyway. If your approach to job hunting is not working for you, then asking yourself, “why am I still using this approach” is the first question. There is a lot of conventional wisdom out there that teaches young, inexperienced job hunters to apply, apply, apply ONLINE. When in reality, there are MILLIONS of people who are being told this information and are using the SAME approach. How would you expect yourself to be a unique candidate if you are applying the same techniques as everyone else? It is not logical at all. And, you don’t want just ANY job, you want the BEST job that will meet your needs and make you happy.

      With all said, developing a unique approach is key and thinking about how the people who are currently in your professional life are going to help you reach your goals is key. Telling everyone in your personal and professional life what it is that you want and are looking for, and how to go about your search without dealing with a HR professional who knows nothing about what you do, who you are, how much experience you’ve gained, etc. If they tell you to apply online, then ask if they know of someone that you can use as a referral who can help you with getting the job. Best thing to do with your time is to stop sending our resume blind to stupid, illogical job ads, and work on managing your existing relationships and career towards success! Good luck to you.

      1. LJ*

        NYC is a very tough job market. I have lived here many years and have lots of work experience. When I have been out of work, I had a terrible time finding work again and I have a master’s degree, although I have also done office work (and some of the agencies for office work pay peanuts, at least what I consider peanuts, like $15 an hour – not good pay for NYC). Some employers here even pay as low as $8 an hour! Check Craigslist and see for yourself. Yeah right, who can live on that here, even with a rent stabilized apartment? (and not all rent stabilized apartments are cheap, it depends on the turnover). Plus we pay THREE income taxes here: city, state and federal!

  78. stephanie*

    Im so glad I found this post. Im a 25 years old and i’m planning to move to New York in August to attend school. I ve worked in the oil and gas industry since i was 19 up until last year n july when i left my company due to them downsizing and outsourcing..Luckly I know a girl who said i can crash on her couch a couple of weeks until I find a job but the problem is I cant seem to get a call back let alone an email returned.
    I’m reading all the comments from the people who have degrees and advanced degrees and I’m thinking wow i havent even finished school yet so how do i stand a chance? Even though people are telling me to give up i keep applying and hopefully I will get a call back

    Its hard because live in Texas and even though I let them know I can pay for my own relocation i still get no call back. Maybe I should get an NYC number and address..I just feel like thats lying you know

    1. anon.*

      Hi Stephanie,
      I’ve lived in NY outside of NYC my entire life. I’d be happy to try and help you make some contacts here and/or give you what info I have on possible companies for you. Without more info it will be difficult to assist you right now (NY is not just NYC!) and so, I’d like to invite you to link to me on LinkedIn:
      http://www.linkedin.com/in/pauladibernardo

      If you do not have an account on Linkedin please sign up (it’s free) and download your resume +add add’l info such as summary, skills, personal website(s) slildeshare presentations etc. The more info you include, the easier it will be for employers to find you – and for me, and your other connections to forward your profile.

      Once on Linkedin I recommend looking into the ‘groups’ section and see if there are any industry related groups you can join. I’d look for alumni groups and job seeker groups.

      When you request to linkk to me please say ‘Stephanie from Texas (AaM) so I’ll know how you found me. Oh, and I’m not a recruiter or in HR in any capacity.

      Hope to hear from you soon.
      ~Paula

      (if anyone else would like to link to me please send me an invite at the above link. my network is large, diverse and nationwide. I’m not an ‘open networker’ (accepts all invites) but am happy to link to most who have a connection to me – like AaM- and help when/if I can)

      1. stephanie*

        Thanks so much for reaching out. Ive been using Linkedin for about 2 months now and have met some nice people so far..
        I’ve joined a couple of groups catering to people in New York and people who are thinking about relocation. This has helped me gain some more knowledge

  79. Richard M*

    I am happy I read this. I am actually re-locating back to Orlando, and I am too in the job hunting business now. The other day I got to thinking, “why would someone hire me or even call me if I do not live there yet?” Had a heart to heart with my mom and the very next day, got a called and job interview (via phone) tomorrow Friday. Don’t lose hope if you are going through this life changing event.

  80. Denise M.*

    Why didn’t I find this site sooner!! I live in lower NY, and have been trying to apply for jobs in NC since September. Granted, I know it’s only been six months – but I’ve sent out at least 3 dozen resumes and have gotten only one callback for a phone interview.

    Here’s my situation: I am currently an IT Director of a medium size business. In this size company I am high level. In a corporation I would be comparable to medium level. I’ve been here for 10 years, make good money and can’t complain about the benes. And I own a co-op. After 10 years, it is finally time for a change. I want to see more of the world and more of the industry. I want to grow within the IT field, but my company does not adopt change well, if at all (ummm hello, IT is always changing!) and I have reached the point where my skills and talents and drive are being wasted and I need more of a challenge. I’ve been in the field for almost 15 years – I know I have the skills, and now that I am driven and motivated to succeed at any opportunity I am given… so why aren’t they calling?!

    With that said the reason I want to move is that I honestly want a change from NY. I’ve lived here my whole life, and hate to leave my family – but I feel so limited by only having lived in one place (hope that doesn’t sound silly). I chose NC because I have friends and family there (though most of my family is in NY), and I’ve visited NC often enough to know that I really enjoy it, the climate, the beaches, the people, etc. It’s also far enough from NY but close enough so that I can take a weekend trip home to visit the family fairly easily. However – who in their right mind would leave a job of 10 years while they still have a mortgage and just “pick up and go”?

    The real estate market is tough, so I’m trying to avoid taking a huge hit in selling my co-op. If I were able to find a job in NC, I would throw it right up on the market and take the first offer… but I’m not going to consciously lose about $40K unless I know it will be worth it.

    I have been including both my NY address and my friends NC address on my cover letter and resume (is this wrong to do?). I did mention relocating in my cover letter – but after reading all of these posts, and getting some great advice, I am going to modify my cover letter to include information about covering my own relocating expenses, etc. I am even thinking to go as far as saying I travel often between the two locations, and with the right opportunity would make NC permanent (is that good?).

    Here’s the kicker: A month ago I started to send my resumes to other places in NY. I’ve gotten so discouraged about the lack of response from NC companies, but still desired a change of the scenery I’ve seen for the past 10 years. Now, within a week of sending resumes out to NY companies, I am starting to get callbacks. My friends & family know I am no longer happy where I am, and they are trying to convince me to keep looking to relocate to NC even if I start a new job in NY… but that just doesn’t feel “right” to me. I feel like if I am going to leave a job of 10 years, and start somewhere new, I can’t in good conscience “use” that new job until I get the one I want in NC. I’m curious to know what your thoughts are on this…

    Anyway, I’m sure I’ll monitor this article and its comments closely – amazing that 3 years later and people are still leaving comments it. Kinda confirms that there is a real problem with “opportunity” in the land of opportunity…

    Looking forward to your comments! And sorry for the VERY long post :)

    1. Ask a Manager* Post author

      One other thing to consider is that you’ve sent three dozen resumes in six months — that’s only 6 per month. That’s very low for this economy.

      1. Denise M.*

        That is very true. I didn’t look at it that way. I’ve dwindled down the past 2 months because I got discouraged. And honestly didn’t find more jobs than that which I wanted to apply to. Maybe I was/am being too picky.. I was trying to stay in the same salary range & avoid Jobs I was underqualified for(even if I knew I could do them, just didn’t have the background to prove it).

    2. LJ*

      I have the opposite problem – I get more interest for jobs out of state than in NYC! I think NYC is a very tough job market, at least for my industry and position (which I would rather not mention here).

  81. Richard M*

    Trust me. I know how you feel. I won’t tell you want to do but all I’m going to say is, follow your dreams. You only live once. I moved from Orlando to Kansas and been here for the last 8 years and never liked it one day. My fiancé is from here so it makes it a little harder but we had a talk and we are moving. The only thing that is holding me back is…well..just like you, a job. I can’t afford to just move (as much as I want too) without having a job there yet but I do have my mom and sister there. The best of luck to you and to the rest of you guys that are in this same situation.

    1. Denise M.*

      Thank you for your kind words. It really can get discouraging. And I’m especially torn about what to do if I get an offer from a company in NY… leaving this job has become almost as important as leaving the state. I will of course continue to send resumes to NC jobs though. I guess if it was meant to be it will happen right? :) Best of luck to you in your search!!

  82. Anonymous*

    Hi,

    Did anyone aply for the SAME job at the same company before AND after relocation as well? Was the experience different? What was the response time? I am just trying to filter out the effect of being out-of-state from the statistical noise of job-applications.
    I am relocating within a month, and get no responses from employers, even if I am an expert in my field. Well I am relocating anyway.

  83. Kayla*

    hi my name is kayla im am 20 and i have rencently decide to move to lafayette with a friend who already lives and attend school there. she been begging me now for sometime and i recently agreed to move there im having some doubts about the move even though we will be splitting everything 50/50 the and daily bills wont be much no more the 400 a piece every month . i dont wanna be with out a job. sometime this week i filled out plently of application and got a call back today for an interview and im not able to attend. i plan on moving to lafayette at the end of july beginning of august so how soon should i start applying for jobs ???

  84. Kathy*

    I live in California and wants to relocate to the DC/ Maryland area to be with the love of my life. I want to first secure a job well. I am in the accounting field, not a cpa. Please advise me on what l should for

    1. Jason*

      wow I am in the same exact situation except I’m trying to move from Maryland area to Los Angeles! I am in the accounting field working towards my cpa. This is so frustrating….it’s the biggest catch 22 of all time: I can’t relocate until I have a job but I can’t get a job until I relocate….

  85. Andree*

    Wow, I am reading all the comments and is getting very discouraged. I am planning to relocate to Miami this September and looking for a job while in NY is not going so well as I do not know anyone that lived in Miami that would be able to keep an eye out for me. If anyone is available to help me network, please let me know, I don’t mean to sound “desperate” but I am really hoping to get a job before I move.

  86. Anonymous*

    I find this really sad, My husband an I struggled to find work before moving from Washington State to San Diego. I wish employers understood just how desperate we were to find work of any kind. We wanted to relocate to attend school down there, and we are both very young (23) and pretty unqualified (no degrees or certificates). We looked EVERYWHERE. I am talking the lowest of low, minimum wage jobs – Fast food, diners, coffee shops, restaurants, book stores, retail positions. The few interviews i DID have over the phone (after submitting loads upon loads of applications) simply did not want to take the time to deal with the “hassle” of hiring someone from out of state. We are TRYING to get by, but we can’t even do that. We are trying to go to school to get an education to get those higher level jobs. But we can’t even go to school because we can’t even find some crappy job that we will bust our butts, working 40 hours a week, making bare minimum wages, and STILL barely be able to afford rent and other expenses! Please, I ask you and other employers to take a moment and try to feel what it would be like to be in our shoes! I know there are probably some out of state applicants that are not very serious about it, and i can understand the lack of trust and/or commitment involved but that does not mean we are all like that. Give some of them a chance, they could wind up being some of the best workers you have ever had. With these bad economical times, sometimes going out of state is the only option for us to be able to start our lives..

  87. Anonymous*

    I want to move to Atlanta from San Francisco because I can’t afford to live here anymore. However, I don’t want to move unless I can secure a job. I work in clinical trials research and been speaking with a recruiter. The recruiter asked when I will be moving? I don’t know, when can I find a job. My current employer asks, when I will be leaving? Need to replace my position, I don’t know, when I can find a job. I’m stuck in between a rock and a hard place. I have minimal expenses and about $12,000.00 in savings. I can live with relatives rent free until I find work. So, should I take the risk and just make the move? It sounds like I’d have a much better chance of landing a job from the recruiter if I were already living in Atlanta. Even if I flew out there for an interview, maybe the employer can’t wait for me to relocate as I will need to give current employer advance notice and make the move across country. Help, don’t know what to do.

  88. Anonymous*

    If you can live in Atlanta with a relative for free. Just move first! Give notice, arrange moving and get your resume ready. Make it your job when you get there to find a job, be out of the house with interview clothes on and hit the pavement. As long as you don’t spend your savings quickly. I reccomend creating a budget for yourself, you will be ok. I wish I had someone to live with. I want to move to Los Angeles from North Bay Cali. I have no money saved so I can’t I’m ready to move already!

  89. Shonda*

    It is a relief to see so many people in the same situation. Now, to be fair, I just started my search for a job in the Triangle area of NC (Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill) I currently live and work in Northern VA for a county government, but it is a much lower paying job then I need to live decently here and far below my acutal job potential (I have a Masters in Crim Intel, you’d think it would be a snap to get a gov’t job here but you’d be wrong my friend) I have plenty of friends/family in the area and have already been offered housing in Durham with family if I want to relocate to be closer for the purposes of having a local address. I really really want to move back “home” (was raised in south eastern NC) but I worry about being at a huge disadvantage as an out of state applicant, especially for entry level jobs. I am thinking about moving before the end of the summer, job or no, I just can’t afford it here any longer and I want to do more with my life then just live paycheck-to-paycheck as I do now. I’m quite willing to do temp work (temping is how I got my current job, they loved me and offered me the job permanently.) It would suck to be without benes again, but I’ve done it before and I can do it again. If anyone has any job leads in that area I’m all ears!

  90. Young Blood*

    I know this post is more than way old, but I really need some advice. I’ve applied to a company located out-of-state, and the recruiter contacted me thinking I’d be a perfect match for this position. I’ve sent a really enthusiastic cover letter so the recruiter can tell that I have a huge passion for the company and would be willing to move for my job. I was scheduled a phone interview with the CTO and had feedback that he really enjoyed our conversation, he liked me, and seems open that I go out there for another interview, however he wants to interview more candidates before he moves onto the next step. Now I’m getting worried because recently the job posting was made public (when before it wasn’t). I feel like I have two major strikes against me (1. I’m a recent college grad who has only been working for 8 months when the requirements said they are looking for someone 2-3 years of experience, and 2. I’m out of state).

    Should I tell the recruiter that I will “just so happen” be in town in the next month for vacation to see if he will take the bait? I’m trying to play it cool without seeming that I’m offing off too desperate. He recently said that he does not know the timeline of when the next step would take place, but I’m still in consideration and to not hesitate to follow up (Yeah, right. They all say that!)

    1. Ask a Manager* Post author

      I wouldn’t necessarily say that, because they might ask what dates you’ll be there and then if those dates don’t work for them, the ruse for nothing. It might be better to say that you’d be glad to come out on your own dime.

  91. MOVING TO TEXAS*

    I am also in the position of securing employment prior to moving from Ohio to the Dallas/Fort-Worth area. I have applied for several jobs which almost matches my resume exactly but have not had any luck. I have an Associate’s degree and have about three semesters before completing a B.S. in Supply Chain and Operations Management. I am 34 yrs old and have kept a job since the age of 19 with no gaps in my employment history. I am beginning to think that they see my almost 15 years of employment and think I’m older than what I am. Since you can’t put age on your resume what can I do? My age may not be the issue but I’m not sure what it could be. HELP!!!!

    2. Kyle*

      Put the years that you went through high school on your resume. Even if it is only on one line. Graduation year from high school usually suggests you were 18 at that time and is an easy way to show your age.

  92. MOVING TO TEXAS*

    I have addresses in texas I could use but don’t want to lie on any applications since I still live in Ohio.

  93. MOVING TO TEXAS*

    Any suggestions? I’ve done just about everything mentioned in these posts such as stating that I do not require relocation assistance and that I’m willing to fly in for an interview at my cost. It wouldn’t be wise for me to just move to Texas without securing a job first, but it seems to be nearly impossible.

    1. Ask a Manager* Post author

      This post is three years old so doesn’t get much traffic anymore, but my main suggestions are in the top part of the post. Good luck!

  94. Arl*

    This is so heartbreaking, especially that I just applied for an out-of-state job (which I really like). I was so naive to think that hiring managers would go past the fact that I am not a local, and instead focus on my skills. No wonder, I haven’t heard from the other out-of-state jobs which I applied to. This is an eye opener though. If the hiring managers will not play fair, why should I? The next time, I will put an address of a friend or relative who lives in the area where I am applying to, and perhaps one those mindless automatons will actually call me back for an interview.

    1. Ask a Manager* Post author

      This isn’t about playing fair; it’s about employers doing what’s in their best interests, just as you’ll do what’s in yours. They’re not generally “mindless automatons,” and that’s a dangerous attitude to have, because it will come through in interviews.

      1. Arl*

        Sorry Alison, I did not mean to sound like d**k. I am just getting so frustrated right now, with all the job rejections galore. Perhaps, I might have failed to see that there are millions out there who are in the receiving end of job rejections as well. I always thought I was mature enough that I would not take all these rejections personally. I guess, hard times and frustration brought out the worse in me. Apologies once again.

  95. Young Blood*

    Well I was in the running up against a local candidate as well. They gave him the a second interview in person and dependent on how he went, I would then be given a chance to fly in and have a second interview. However, the company called and laid it out for me that they would not feel comfortable with me flying in on my own expense (even though I tried my best to offer.) Unfortunately, that chance never came because he did really well… and I’m offered the consolation prize of “we’ll find another position for you here”. As disappointed as I am, I realized there were 3 possible situations:

    He’s more experienced + local = I’m out of the running.
    He’s just as experienced + local = I’m out of the running.
    He’s less experienced + local = I get a chance.

    From my POV, the only thing I can do for myself is to continue on improving my experience, resume, and knowledge so my chances of becoming more experienced and desired increases and I get to be flown out. Am I right AAM?

    1. Ask a Manager* Post author

      I think that’s basically right (with the caveat that it’s not always just about experience but the total package). I’d be really appreciative that they were straight with you and didn’t let you spend your money for something that was stacked against you!

  96. Don't Lie*

    Don’t lie on your resume/application and give an address that you don’t actually live at. There are too many ways for you to get caught (e.g. contacting previous employers, contacting professional/personal references, viewing your LinkedIn/Facebook profile, etcetera).

  97. Anonymous*

    Hello,

    I’m also thinking of moving out of state. I’m currently in San Diego (I know I’m crazy for wanting to move), but would like to move eastward. I have specific cities that I am considering but as someone else had pointed out, I’m not willing to relocate without having a job lined up. My position as of now is junior level in the quality assurance in the Biotech industry. I’m hoping to move by spring of next year provided that I have a job lined up. I understand that moving to another location and another job would be stressful enough, I don’t want to add extreme weather that I’m not used to into the equation and would also like to save enough to support myself for a few months in the event that things don’t work out. Can anyone give me advice on how I can go about getting my name and credentials out there? Some places on my list don’t have a high Biotech presence, but I believe are a good fit for the type of environment I would like to be in. I’ve researched and found a few companies that seem promising, but is now too early to send my resume out and let them know I’m interested?

  98. Is it even possible*

    I haven’t read the whole thread but from from what I’ve read so far it appears nearly impossible to find a job out of state. In the next week or two i would like to start applying for jobs in the Phoenix AZ area. One reason why my wife and i picked AZ because we have friends and family that we could move in on very short notice. If i did get luckily and found a job i could be in AZ in 3 weeks. I’m hoping that my 10+ years of I.T experience and having a place to stay would help my chances. Unfortunately I’m not in the position of quieting my current position i have a wife and kids to support.

  99. TR*

    I know this is an old thread but I would like to share my frustration. my situation is a little bit different from everyone else’s. I currently live in MI, have a BS in Psychology and working on my masters in I/O psychology ( will be done in another year). I love MI, the cost of living is great here, the only reason I wish to relocate is because of an illness, where warmer weather helps soo much, and it was suggested from my doctor. I want to move to Texas, I have family there but are not close enough to them to live with them or even feel comfortable asking to use their address. I am willing to pay for relocation, if it was just me i would wing it but being as though I have a young daughter I need a job first. My illness has never played a factor with my job performance, but I’m afraid that it will if I have to spend another winter here in MI. Are there any tips for someone in my situation pretty much forced to relocate.
    All suggestions are welcome.

  100. AM*

    I too am planning to relocate out of state (from MA to CO). I actually sent my resume unsolicited to company in FL a few years back and they flew me out for an interview AND hired me (I ended up not relocating though and they offered me a job again a couple years later). I know that’ s probably rare but it did happen so I’m hopeful that I will be able to do the same for CO. I do not have a degree and had 3 years of experience in my field at the time.

    Luckily, my boyfriend is able to transfer his job but I would like the confidence of having an income once I get there. We will be flying out there a couple months before we move so I don’t know if it makes sense to start sending my resume out now and seeing if I can get interviews for then, even though it would be a couple more months before I moved? There were a lot of good suggestions and thoughts on here, and maybe someone will have some more for me.

  101. Andree*

    @AM, How did you go about sending your resume unsolicited? I would like some advise on that if u dont mind.

  102. Anaheim Bound*

    I am currently reside in TX and looking for a position in CA. I recently applied for one job online and then sent them and email explaining that I am relocating to CA by the end of the year. In the email I also attached my resume, a reference letter from my current Director, as well as a list of references which included the head of my department and the HR manager (3 great references in all). However, in the email I did not specify that I would be more than happy to pay my own way out there for an interview and/or all relocation costs. I truly believe this would be a great position for me and a great next step in my career and the position is located exactly where I want to be in CA (down to the specfic area/zipcode) but I am concerned that I may have missed my opportunity by not including in the email that I will be paying my way for interviews and relocation.

    I am wondering if there is anything I should do, such as a follow up email specifying the information I left out, or if I should let some time pass and then do a follow up email. Any advice would be appreciated. I would also like to add that it is a mid-level position.

    Thank you in advance to any and all that take the time to respond positively.

  103. Steve Bier*

    I wish I had found this website earlier…

    I am planning on moving to Rock Hill, SC next fall. My target is October 2013, but I am more than willing to relocate early if I can get assistance with moving.

    It seems extraordinarily difficult to find companies in the area that are willing to interview me. I’ve even sent out resumes and cover letters explaining my desire to relocate, and to please keep my information on file. Nobody wants to speak with me. As a matter of fact, a staffing agency told me to “not even bother them” until at least two weeks before my move.

    Sigh.

    Is there anyone that I can network with, either in the Charlotte area, or within the Rock Hill/Fort Mill area?

      1. Steve Bier*

        I am a customer service representative. I’ve been in the same line of work for just shy of 19 years.

        You name it…I’ve done it. Telesales. Dispatching. Field Service Operations. Inbound/Outbound. I’ve also handled credit card dispute cases, and supervised a small group of employees.

        I currently work as an account manager for a facilities maintenance company. I survey properties for square footage, solicit subcontractors to come work for us, and am ultimately in charge of hiring and firing them.

        I’m a relatively quick learner, and I am always ready and able to try something new…..

  104. SL*

    To Steve Bier,

    I live in Columbia, SC. There are no jobs here or close to here. Rock Hill has no jobs….people from Rock Hill primarily commute to Charlotte, so I hope you are concentrating your job search in Charlotte, NC. Just to give you a head’s up.

  105. AMANDA*

    My situation is I live in Illinois. I am on a project that lasts 3 more months. I do sub contract work. I want to move to Nashville more then anything but i’m afraid if I relocate then look for a job my funds will run out and I will be stuck coming back to Illinois where I do not want to build my future. So I am an excellent worker and I also have recomendations but I am getting no where cause no one wants to help me out and even give me an inteview. So here our my options take the risk hope I get a job or get laid off in 3 months and hope I find work here. Just because an HR rep doesn’t want to give me a chance to show what I can do. I’m getting very discouraged and my heart is set on Nashiville.

  106. summercamper*

    How do you even find jobs to apply for in the first place? I’m a recent grad from a rural area who is moving to Orlando in a few months. In the past, my (successful) job searches involved stating my last name and getting hired on family reputation alone. Something tells me this won’t work in Orlando! Is my best strategy starting with at temp agency? How do I select a good one? Or are there national job posting boards I should be checking? Or do I just search Google for “nonprofits in Orlando” and start with that? I am the first person in my family to move more than 30 miles away from the historical family farm and have absolutely zero idea how to do this.

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  109. Alex*

    So I took the plunge in July and moved from Utah to Colorado. It was a difficult choice as I was quitting a good job to move to a place that I wanted to be. It being closer to family and generally speaking a better area to live.
    At first I thought I had a job figured, I had taken their employment test and finished their second interview. They said they would call me by the end of the week to schedule a physical. After that I was never contacted again. I emailed and called but they where not even respectful enough to offer a reply in any form. They are a big company and I just hit their phone wall.
    Since then I have found work though several temp agencies and have had several interviews. I am still looking for full time work. The options that I find myself now looking at a nothing compared to the job I had but it is a new city and I am building new connections in the area.
    So all in all it has been tough. Tougher than I thought it would be but I have managed to stay on top of things financially so far and the temp work has kept me busy enough. It is frustrating though some days. But I do remain optimistic as I have scheduled interviews with worth while employers. Hopefully once I am back on my feet completely I will fully appreciate the choice I made to make this move.
    I would like to wish all who are thinking of moving and those who have, the best luck in the world. It certainly is no easy choice. Oh and on a side note, if you quit your job don’t expect any unemployment.

  110. Anonymous*

    You have no way of knowing a person’s knowledge of the new town, what they’re finances are or anything else for that matter. It’s your job to secure good candidates. Everything else you mention has nothing to do with your job responsibilities. I live in MI and have frequented GA for 20 years. I’ve applied for jobs there and haven’t been considered due to my location. How I get to GA for the interview and what happens after I’m employed is my business (you mentioned navigating a new city and cost of living) and not for HR to try to figure out.

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