what to do when your employer is breaking the law by Alison Green on February 20, 2013 This is a post I should have written a long time ago. I get a lot of letters from people about something their workplace is doing that’s likely illegal. They’re often wondering what their next move should be … and because most people don’t know what to do if their employer is violating their legal rights at work, they often either threaten legal action too quickly or don’t speak up at all because they’re not sure what to say. First, before anything, you want to make sure that your employer really is breaking the law. People often wrongly assume that the law entitles them to things that aren’t actually enshrined in law—such as fair treatment, paid vacation days, or a warning before being fired. So first make sure that you really are facing a legal violation. If you are, you might assume that your first step should be to talk to a lawyer and file a lawsuit. But much of the time that isn’t necessary at all, and jumping straight to a lawsuit — while certainly your prerogative — can unnecessarily poison your work environment. Instead, a better first step is often to simply talk to your employer. Start from the assumption that they don’t realize that there’s a legal problem, and that you are courteously bringing it to their attention. It’s often worth taking this approach even if you’re pretty sure that your employers know their actions are illegal and just don’t care. This stance will usually get you a better outcome than making it clear that you think your managers are flagrant law-breakers. For instance, if your boss is requiring you to work unpaid overtime when you’re non-exempt (the government category that determines whether you must be paid overtime or not), try working it out with your manager directly. Say something like, “We’re actually required by federal law to pay overtime to people in my job category. I can work the overtime if you want me to, but the company is required to pay for it.” Or, if you’re devoutly religious and your boss is requiring you to work on the Jewish holy day of Yom Kippur, when plenty of non-religious employees are available to cover that shift, you could say, “Yom Kippur is a religious holiday for me. I’ve spoken to several employees who don’t feel their religious practice requires them to observe it. Because we’re required by federal law to accommodate employees’ religious practices, could we schedule them that day instead of me?” Note that the tone here is collaborative, not adversarial. You’re even saying “we” rather than “you” in talking about the company’s obligations. And that’s because your tone should be that you’re looking out for the company’s best interest, not making a legal threat—the same tone you’d use if you were advising your boss on another employee’s request. There’s no overt threat of legal action. The reason for that is that your goal here is not just to assert your legal rights but also to keep a good relationship with your employer. It is possible to do both, but that’s far less likely to happen if you wield the law like a weapon. Fair or not, the reality is that few relationships are unaffected when legal threats are made. You still have the option of taking legal action if it comes to that — but you’re far more likely to get a good outcome by starting out this way. Now, what if you talk to your employer and point out the law, but nothing changes? At that point, you have a decision to make about how far you want to push the issue. The law might give you a remedy, but realistically, it’s also probably going to make your working environment difficult, and might even make it harder for you to get hired in the future if employers worry you’re litigious. If you weigh those factors and decide to proceed, then your next logical step is to either talk with a lawyer or — depending on the law in play — your state’s labor department. But before you try that, try a straightforward conversation. It might be all you need to solve the problem with all parties happy. I originally published this column at U.S. News & World Report. You may also like:can I threaten legal action to get a better job offer?my office is requiring us to disclose all medications we takemy company wants me to investigate what expensive medical treatments employees are having and why { 99 comments }
Liz in a Library* February 20, 2013 at 10:22 am I’m quite surprised by how often when employers break the law, it is because they legitimately don’t know better. (Obviously there are also some crazy places that just don’t care.) Someone I know has been mulling over how to deal with an illegal action recently (which Alison provided helpful information on, thank you!), so I’m going to forward this on. Curious though…how do you decide when something illegal that likely won’t happen again is worth taking even this kind of hyper-reasonable stand on?
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 10:34 am It depends on what your goals are. Do you care most about having a harmonious relationship with your employer? Do you care most about making sure it doesn’t happen again (to you or someone else)? Do you care most about the principle of the thing? You’ve got to be really clear about what outcome is most important to you, and what the likely trade-offs are for each option. (For instance, if you say nothing, you get harmonious relations but risk it happening again. If you speak up, you might ensure it doesn’t happen again, but in some offices you might affect the way you’re treated in the future. You’ve got to be clear on these trade-offs and decide what’s most important to you.)
j* January 2, 2015 at 5:21 am Hey so my boss is a by law officer who breaks laws all the time such as appointing non licensed members to work for him, I reported it. He how is bragging how once he gains more workers he will be firing myself, and the town’s police are on his side, the gov registrator for all security license says he is 100% doing illegal activities and will be investigated, which is now resulting on me being possibly terminated for whistle blowing on people that never took the time or paid to do the same courses I had to. What do I do I’m lost, called labour bord and didn’t seem to get any asurance.
CassJ* February 20, 2013 at 10:30 am When I was fresh out of college, I worked at a company that had twenty-two pirated copies (I knew it was pirated, because the boss said so, and when loading the software, a message on the loading screen boasted as to who “cracked” it) of an expensive 3D modeling software on their machines (along with pirated copies of other software), and the company was making a profit from the use of the pirated software. After I was able to move on from that company, I reported the company to the maker of the software. I don’t think anything happened, but at least my conscience was clean.
Lisa* February 20, 2013 at 11:50 am My bf was an IT guy for a local non-profit tv station. Someone reported the pirated software that his predecessor put on all lab computers. My bf was scolded about it, so he submitted a purchase order for 30k to be compliant and it really pissed off the board members, because they suddenly had to tell him to buy it, remove the software and risk membership, or keep the pirated copies. My bf was told to remove the pirated copies by his boss, before the board told the boss to keep those versions to avoid paying 30k. So then they had to buy the 30k of stuff because my BF said he wouldn’t break the law the way his predecessor did and noted that his review said his complacency of keeping them was morally wrong. It was amusing, since his coworker was trying to get my bf fired for the software, and then the board got so pissed that someone complained that they ripped the boss about the 30k expense that wasn’t an issue before the complaint.
anon-2* February 20, 2013 at 2:31 pm I was once in a similar situation. The company I worked for at the time was going to teach a class in the use of a product. I was asked – “can you get 30 copies of the manual?” Yes. At $40/per, that would come to $1200. “No no no!” Huh? “Fill out a requisition order, send your copy down to our (internal print shop) and have them knock out 30 copies.” I reminded the manager – “that’s a copyright violation. I’m not signing off on it.” The manager got angry – “I said, ‘OK whiz kid. YOU put your name on it, YOU sign off on it.” Oh, that was different. I guess he found some stooge to sign off on it — but — knowing that this stuff follows you around if/when you get caught — the piece of advice I would give to ANYONE. DON’T EVER DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. Like the old joke – IF IT SMELLS BAD, FEELS BAD, TASTES BAD – It is bad. Don’t step in it. The law of the street applies if the walls cave in – “every man for himself” …. don’t expect your boss or your company’s legal department to help you. Your boss will protect him/herself first. The company will do anything to protect itself.
Colette* February 20, 2013 at 10:35 am My previous employer sends their annual tax statements to their donors every year as nonprofit bulk mailing. One year, after delivering the mailing to the post office, the postmaster later noticed that our postage check listed the mailing as being for tax statements, and he called to inform us that it had been mail fraud to send tax statements bulk – they had to go first class. He let it slide that time, since the mailing had already gone out. But he said if we did it again in the future, we would owe a lot of money. So, thinking I was doing my due diligence, I informed my department head and CEO. They chose to ignore my concerns, and continue to send the mail illegally each year because they want to save on postage. I have since left, but I hope eventually the USPS will accidentally open one of those 10,000 bulk envelopes that happens to go out on January 30 of every year.
Mike C.* February 20, 2013 at 11:12 am Why didn’t you report this? It affects the rest of us that follow the rules, and there’s no way it would have gotten back to you.
Anonymous* February 20, 2013 at 11:16 am Maybe because they cared about the mission of the nonprofit (maybe it was feeding the homeless or educating kids) more than they cared about enforcing the post office’s regulations for it. The post office has a system in place to enforce their regulations, it’s not a citizen’s responsibility to do it for them.
Mike C.* February 20, 2013 at 12:22 pm That’s really a terrible justification when plenty of non-profits are able to feed the poor, fund cancer research and improve the quality of the environment without having to break federal or international laws. And frankly, if we are to have a functioning society, it is the responsibility of citizens to make sure it keeps working.
K* February 20, 2013 at 12:36 pm Eh, I don’t think we as individuals are under any obligation to report everything that is a violation of state or federal law merely because it’s illegal. We’re entitled to our own opinions about what is right and wrong, and to act on those; and even from a legal standpoint, there’s no law requiring disclosure (and there certainly could be).
Jamie* February 20, 2013 at 12:42 pm Right. I have called it in when I’ve seen a car that was weaving all over the road and was an absolute hazard. However, if I called in every license plate that was going over the speed limit I would do nothing else on my commute. Is someone getting hurt or is someone likely to get hurt? That’s the line for a lot of people.
Colette* February 20, 2013 at 2:04 pm I didn’t report it at the time, for fear of losing my job. But I would definitely consider reporting it now.
Jessa* February 20, 2013 at 1:37 pm Actually a quick check of a postal service FAQ says you cannot use bulk mail to send tax statements for tax purposes. HOWEVER, if your non profit sends those tax statements to “encourage the donors to give more money,” It is legal to do so. So if it’s Hey Mrs Jones you spent 200 bucks with us, here’s the statement for your taxes, no go. But if it’s Hey Mrs Jones, here’s your statement, you spent 200 bucks with us this year how about spending more money next year? Here are our new projects… It’s highly possible that if the non profit has good lawyers, they KNOW this. And those statements were never illegal anyway.
Colette* February 20, 2013 at 2:02 pm We just sent plain old tax statements pumped out of our database system with no further requests for money. It was definitely mail fraud.
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 2:07 pm For what it’s worth, that doesn’t sound like mail fraud. Mail fraud is using the mail to defraud someone of money or property. It’s just a violation of a postal pricing regulation.
koppejackie* February 20, 2013 at 11:13 am What about using something like ComplyLine, if your company has it? It’s an anonymous phone call, so you can’t (hopefully) be identified.
Anonymous* February 20, 2013 at 11:40 am I can’t imagine anyone being foolish enough to think that continuing to work at a company you have either reported or sued is a good idea.
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 11:43 am You’d think so, but I regularly hear from people who think they can.
A Bug!* February 20, 2013 at 11:52 am I’ve known people like that, too. With those people, I got the impression that it’s kind of a dominance thing. They don’t care about a harmonious workplace; the idea that their mere presence in the office could be a big FU to the employer made them giddy. I’m glad I no longer work with such people.
Mike C.* February 20, 2013 at 12:14 pm I don’t think it’s fair for you to characterize the motives of people who wish their employers would just follow the law in this way. Maybe you had a few coworkers who were this way, but many of us have seen some pretty terrible abuses of the system and the way it prevents people from even reporting.
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 12:16 pm There are people on both ends of the spectrum. A Bug! says she’s seen people giddy about the idea that their presence could be an FU to their employer; I’ve seen those people too (and received letters from them). That doesn’t mean that everyone who wants their employer to follow the law falls in that category — far from it. But you can’t say they’re not out there. They are. There are jerks everywhere, at all levels of power, even the low ones.
A Bug!* February 20, 2013 at 12:36 pm Sorry again, the intent was to mean “all the people I have personally known who fit the circumstances being discussed”. For context, I’ve worked in some highly dysfunctional workplaces. (Call centers, amirite???)
anon-2* February 21, 2013 at 1:55 pm The best FU you can give to an employer, I’ve learned, is to go on to a better situation elsewhere – and be sure to make that known not just to the employer but your co-workers. I related the instance where I was on probation at a place, about to be fired. I found a job with a 30% increase, better benefits and opportunities. They tried throwing money at me to get me to stay – probably so they could fire me at a later time. Their big concern – others might follow me out the door.
A Bug!* February 20, 2013 at 12:34 pm Sorry, I didn’t mean it to be a blanket statement on all people who are in a position to report their employer for an infraction. I know there are many people out there who struggle with the decision to report or not report. But I don’t think many of those people would expect their employment to continue on as normal if they opted to report. Even if the employer can’t legally retaliate, that kind of thing inevitably alters the work environment for the worse.
Julie K* February 22, 2013 at 8:32 pm The only time I considered suing my employer, I spoke with my attorney about it, and he said I would almost certainly be fired as soon as I started proceedings. I was naive and thought I couldn’t be fired because it would be considered “retaliation.” I decided not to sue them.
Joey* February 20, 2013 at 12:50 pm I’m foolish enough to think that and I’m on the employer end. Sure I want people to resolve things internally. But if I see they’ve legitimately been wronged and tried to resolve it internally without success- that’s a failure on my end and I’m glad to use a settlement or an outside investigation as a learning lesson. And no I won’t hold it against them-and I’ll even keep an eye on them to make sure others are doing the same. I’d rather deal with one court case or whatever now than have to worry continually about whether my folks are doing the right thing. To boot, its cheaper in the long run to take one on the chin now and get the problem fixed.
Kimberlee, Esq.* February 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm Not to mention that various regulatory bodies tend to like this kind of “operating in good faith” and often reward it with reduced fines.
Erica B* February 20, 2013 at 11:43 am It’s actually quite amazing what companies can get away with and not break the law. Not to mention all the things that we, as employees, think are required but aren’t actually.
Bryce* February 20, 2013 at 11:52 am Excellent article! Overboard employee litigiousness is a significant reason employers cite in their reluctance to hire, as it’s a hidden potential cost of employing people.
Mike C.* February 20, 2013 at 12:12 pm Most evidence I’ve read says that reluctance to hire is due to a lack of demand for the particular company’s services or products. This “fear of litigation” is completely irrational.
Kathryn T.* February 20, 2013 at 12:42 pm Wait, why is it “overboard” for an employee to try to assert their legal rights?
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 12:45 pm I took it to mean “overboard” as in jumping to a lawsuit instead of first trying to work it out directly, or making legal claims that aren’t exactly in the spirit the law was intended in.
fposte* February 20, 2013 at 1:00 pm Though I think there’s a humongous gap between actual risk and perceived risk. Just as it’s good to encourage employees to talk to their managers rather than leaping to litigation, it’s good for employers to be realistic rather than reacting to unjustified fears.
Joey* February 20, 2013 at 1:00 pm That’s a cop out. I’ve never once seen an employer sacrifice production or profits because they were afraid of hiring litigious employees. What they should really be saying is crappy managers are a hidden cost of doing business. I’ve seen maybe on one hand employees out of over 10,000 that were overly litigious. The truth is that nearly all employees don’t want to file a lawsuit. They just want their wrong righted. It’s when those issues aren’t resolved or are dismissed that they tend feel litigation is their only option. That’s a problem on the employer end. And that’s usually crappy managers.
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 1:03 pm Agreed, for the most the part. There ARE unreasonably litigious employees, but they’re not the norm.
DA* February 20, 2013 at 11:53 am It’s just like being a whistleblower when it comes to financial shenanigans. Your last day is that day when you blow the whistle, so be prepared to deal with that situation that follows, including a lengthy unemployment period.
Kathryn T.* February 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm I understand that it’s the reality of the situation, but it cranks me no end that people just have to put up with having their legal rights violated because if they try to defend themselves, they’ll lose their job and become unemployable. That’s so messed up.
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 12:22 pm Well, the whole point of my article is that you can often avoid it going that way, by instead just talking to your manager. Yes, that doesn’t always solve things, but an awful lot of the time it does, but people still don’t speak up, or don’t speak up in a way that’s likely to get it resolved.
Kathryn T.* February 20, 2013 at 12:33 pm Well. . . it can resolve it if the employer is interested in resolving it. But if they aren’t, then the employee has no options. My husband had a situation a while ago where he was paid hourly, not paid for holiday or vacation pay, and only paid straight time for hours over 40 in a week — that’s not legal. And he raised it to them and said “Are you sure that’s right? I don’t think that’s how the employment classifications work.” And they said “Well that’s how we do it, so there.” It was a crappy economy and I was due to have a baby in two months, so he had no choice other than to just put up with it. It stung then and it still stings, and that was for a difference of about $2000 over a year. How much worse would it feel if the issue was illegal employment discrimination or sexual harassment?
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 12:36 pm Yep — there are definitely times when it doesn’t resolve it. But too often people don’t even have the simple conversation. I agree, though, that it’s too bad that sometimes your options are fighting it and burning the bridge or just dealing with it. I don’t really know how it could be structured differently, though — I mean, there are laws preventing retaliation for this type of thing, but you can’t police all the subtle ways in which someone can be retaliated against, if that’s what the employer is like. (All the more reason to screen an employer thoroughly before accepting a job, if you have that ability, and to work really hard to ensure you have options so that you’re not at the mercy of a single employer.)
Kathryn T.* February 20, 2013 at 12:41 pm yeah, don’t get me wrong, I very much appreciate the “Wait, you DON’T have to just suck it up or else hire a lawyer! There’s a third option! And unlike the other two, it actually has a prayer of working!” article, because yeah, a lot of people don’t know that. I’m just griping. I don’t think there is any other way of structuring things legally. It’s a shift that would have to come culturally — people would have to think “If you take steps to exercise your legal rights, you will likely become unemployable, and that is MESSED UP” rather than thinking “and that’s just the way it is.”
anon-2* February 20, 2013 at 2:37 pm Just curious – have YOU ever been asked to do something illegal? Or unethical? If so, what was your reaction? I only listed ONE incident above – I’ve been in several in my career but handled them well .. and yes, I was willing to take a job loss rather than “play dirty pool”. Advice my Dad always gave me about getting into a game of “dirty pool” (unethical/illegal behavior). 1) Do not tip your hand at playing dirty. You lose your advantage if the opponent picks up on what you’re doing. 2) Be careful who you choose to dirty up or sully. He may be better at playing dirty pool than you are. And if he’s never had to do it, he probably WILL be better at it than you.
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 2:54 pm Yep. Fortunately, never early in my career (at least not that I knew enough to recognize at the time). Later on, I had enough credibility (and, frankly, value) built up to push back and say no without repercussions. It’s harder if you don’t have that, though.
anon-2* February 20, 2013 at 6:21 pm You’re very lucky. I was in at least two of those situations, and pushed back, even though I couldn’t afford to do so financially. But morally – going along would have been morally bankrupt. Tough decisions.
Adam V* February 20, 2013 at 12:59 pm > only paid straight time for hours over 40 in a week Wait, that’s not legal? I thought that the exempt/non-exempt only meant that a non-exempt employee had to be paid for working past 40 hours – but not necessarily that they had to be paid more per hour after 40 hours than they were paid for the first 40.
fposte* February 20, 2013 at 1:06 pm Federal law requires time and a half if you go over 40 hours in the week (unless you’re an exempt employee or in an overtime-exempt category).
Construction HR* February 20, 2013 at 2:32 pm Correct. And, the employee cannot ‘agree’ to break the law by accepting anything else.
fposte* February 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm “Well. . . it can resolve it if the employer is interested in resolving it.” Sure, but often the employer would be interested in resolving it if they knew. If they remain uninterested once they’re informed, that’s another matter, but it’s worth giving them a chance to fix the problem.
Joey* February 20, 2013 at 12:40 pm Yeah, I think the real dilemma comes in when you’ve approached your boss about it and he dismisses it. So now you’re faced with whether or not to go above his head (which he won’t like). I think that’s why employees sometimes go to an outside entity without exhausting all possible internal options. They figure if the boss blows it off that must mean the company doesn’t care and everyone is just going to get pissed. Or that by going above your boss’ head he’s going to get pissed so might as well go straight to someone who you know will do the rigt thing.
La Reina* February 20, 2013 at 2:13 pm How timely! I just had one freelance project fall through because it turns out that the guy who retained me for his client was milking the contract budget for all it was worth. Seeing as how this was a project for a government agency, I’m debating (after the suggestion from a couple civil service friends) whether or not to file a Whistleblower report for the mis-use of public funds. And if that wasn’t nutty enough, I also just got a smaller freelance job where I was supposed to be a 1099 contractor. Except that the entire time I was basically working on site for this client and under 100% of their direction. Which if I’m not mistaken is the example used for determining W-2 versus 1099. If you have somebody as a 1099 but are controlling/directing their work and have them on site, that’s *not* a contractor and you’re therefore misusing the 1099.
Employment lawyer* February 20, 2013 at 2:31 pm 1) Decide if you want to stay. If not, call a lawyer immediately. Note that by “immediately” I mean “right away, before you mess up your case.” If you are theoretically willing to go through the trouble of quitting and/or suing, you may as well win; don’t ruin your case by going alone. And seeing a lawyer doesn’t mean that you’ll quit. I’ve advised more than a few clients that they would be better off staying. But it prevents other doors from closing. 2) Do you care most about the principle of the thing, or do you just say that because it sounds better than saying that you’d like to get money because your employer made an expensive mistake? Are you sure, really? REALLY? Principles are an economic factor like everything else: just like any other position, standing firm on principles requires tradeoffs in other areas. Usually money. The vast majority of people who are “acting on principle” are, in reality, simply unaware of the tradeoffs or are too embarrassed to say that they want money. moreover, most folks are realistically too poor to afford to fully act on their ideals; acting on principle isn’t an option when you need money to live. Also, attorneys work for money, not for principle. Sure, we take occasional pro bono or low bono work but those tend to be really extreme or very unusual cases, not basic cases. 3) Horrible to say, but sometimes it’s best to sit tight and sue later. An attorney can help with that.
fposte* February 20, 2013 at 6:07 pm With the caveat on your #3 that you lose your rights to in some situations if you sit tight very long.
anon-2* February 20, 2013 at 6:19 pm Attorneys also work “on contingency” – but only if you have a solid enough case. Typically – the fees are 25 percent of the settlement – 33 if they have to go to court. Some of you may have seen Erin Brockovich – where they took 40 – but that was a high risk case, and a lot of research had to be done on the ground (literally) with no guarantee of a victory.
Joey* February 20, 2013 at 9:14 pm Of course you’re going to say call a lawyer immediately. But often people can resolve things without involving a lawyer.
Kat M* February 20, 2013 at 6:40 pm What about when it’s a typical, industry-wide practice? I worked in early childhood ed for six years, from crummy places to classy, and every single one required unpaid overtime from hourly employees. “All teachers make sacrifices. If you don’t like it, you should be in a different field.” There are other reasons why I got out, but that was one …
Elizabeth West* February 20, 2013 at 7:52 pm I don’t know myself if they are exempt, but I have known many teachers and they all do a lot of work on their own time.
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm Yes, but that’s true of many exempt positions. If teachers are exempt (and I think they are), this wouldn’t be a legal issue.
fposte* February 20, 2013 at 10:20 pm They can definitely be exempt, especially if they have specialized degrees. There are grey areas in the younger age groups, though, and how some institutions use the word “teacher. The DOL says this: “Bona fide teachers in preschool and kindergarten settings may qualify for exemption from the minimum wage and overtime pay requirements as “professionals” under the same conditions as a teacher in an elementary or secondary school. Teachers are exempt if their primary duty is teaching, tutoring, instructing or lecturing in this activity as a teacher in educational establishment. It should be noted that, although a preschools may engage in some educational activities, preschool employees whose primary duty is to care for the physical needs for the facility’s children would ordinarily not meet the requirements for exception as teachers under the applicable regulations.”
Kat M* February 21, 2013 at 10:23 am Perhaps I should specify: none of the teachers at any of the places I worked were classified as exempt.
fposte* February 21, 2013 at 3:43 pm The tricky bit, of course, is that they’re not likely to get into trouble for wrongly considering anybody to be nonexempt, and if you were categorically nonexempt in federal terms, your employer’s category isn’t likely to matter much and the OT thing won’t hurt them. Where they’ll get into trouble in a case like that is if their hourly paid but exempt employees didn’t get proper exempt pay for a full week if they took off a part week. My guess, though, is you’re talking about a place that was basically daycare, as described in the quoted paragraph, and just used the term “teacher,” and that you’re right that you should have been paid O/T.
CoffeeLover* February 20, 2013 at 10:09 pm I took a business law class once upon a time and we covered whistleblower cases. My prof all but told us to basically never be whistleblowers and I agree with him. Laws protecting whistleblowers in Canada and the U.S. are pathetic. What’s more likely to happen is the company will essentially get out with a slap on the wrist while you’re labelled as a “problem”. Even if the employer isn’t allowed to retaliate against you, you’ll have to quit eventually due to the bad relationship (no promotions, no good work, they move your office to the basement, etc.). Beyond that, no employer will want to hire you, so good luck finding a job. Oh and lets not forget the years of litigation and lawyer fees you are pulling yourself into. Personally, I only see myself blowing the whistle in a situation where I think LIVES are at risk. Otherwise, I think it’s best to just quit and find a job with a place that has a stronger moral compass. You’ll save yourself some heartache that way. Of course I’m talking about more serious things.
Anonymous* February 20, 2013 at 11:51 pm This is a different law + employer question, but it’s one I run into more often in my line of work than the white-collar crimes. What do you do when a person you work with (or work for, or supervise) breaks the law toward you in a rather more direct, less employment-related way (while at work)? Mainly I’m talking assault, but also less dramatic things like theft, vandalism, or verbal threats. All my employers have heavily encouraged people to not report such incidents to the police. I’ve always felt that seemed very wrong – that they’re just afraid of bad headlines or reporting police statistics, when really they are just by-standards that shouldn’t be involved. At what point do I tell the employer to butt out, and at what point do I respect their preference to handle things internally? If a person steals my lunch, it seems reasonable not to make a federal case out of it. When a co-worker physically assaults me, I feel the company is out of line in trying to get me to not report it to police. That still leaves a huge middle ground where I am at a loss over when it should stay internal and when I should call the cops.
Ask a Manager* Post authorFebruary 21, 2013 at 12:03 am Wow — what line of work are you in where this is normal?
Joey* February 21, 2013 at 10:34 am Yep, employers don’t like it when employees file police reports against each other or sue each other. No employer wants the police conducting an investigation in the workplace. Their ultimate interest is the business, not your well being. You just have to understand that’s almost always going to be their preference. Of course the exceptions are the extreme things or things that more directly impact the business. But in your case its hard to say without knowing more details. I don’t ever think there’s a clear line either in your personal line or at work. It all depends on things like the severity, frequency, monetary impact, and your tolerance level. This is really one of those decisions where the extremes are easy, but everything else is really a personal decision.
Cassie* February 22, 2013 at 1:03 am What do you do if you know a new staffer is using a coworker’s login to process payments? This is with the coworker’s knowledge (as well as their supervisor). All because the new staffer hasn’t finished his/her training yet and can’t officially get access. I believe this is against university policy. It would be somewhat different, although still against policy, if the staffer was just looking up information but he/she is actually processing payments. Is this one of those things that should be reported? Or just ignore? As far as I can tell, this has happened at least a few times in recent years (every time they hire a person to fill that position, the new hire uses the previous employee’s login until they get their own access). And at least once, the central office did question why there were many erroneous transactions being processed by someone who has been processing these payments for a long time (obviously, it was because the new hire was making mistakes, but they didn’t tell the central office that).
tired of the bs* November 5, 2013 at 2:02 pm my boss has me and another person writing insurance and we are not licensed. what should i do?
tired of the bs* November 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm my boss has me and another employee writing insurance without a license. Not happy with this situation as it is illegal. What should i do?
joey* December 11, 2013 at 2:37 am My current company that I work for is doing a number of illegal things which are making me feel very uncomfortable as an employee what should I do? It isn’t little things its bad stuff, my co workers smoke methamphetamines while in the work vans and one of my bosses constantly harasses people and smokes pot the whole time. the worst part is they have a system of favoritism among the employees which is unfair since I have been working for nearly a year with them and have shown that I am very capable of being 100% efficient compared to the rest of the workers. On another note the bosses don’t even care about the drug use they simply turn a blind eye to it. the equipment we use is unsafe and outdated and at times can be very hazardous. They also don’t pay us for drive time on the way back to the office (even if its over 25 miles) we only get paid for a one way trip who do I talk to about this I am worried about my future in this company seeing how drug users seem to have priority in this system which I currently work in
chris* December 23, 2013 at 10:21 pm I recently quit my job due to they illegal things my employer was doing and I was also being made fun of by owner and other employees. The owner of the company I worked for would be drunk half the time in meetings and around the office. I really need help here because they purposely made sure I did not make money for almost three months and around Christmas time with no money I had to quit. I could not take the abuse anymore nor do anything illegal like they wanted me too. Someone please tell me what do I do?
Bre* February 10, 2014 at 2:08 pm My boss, is taking hours off my co-workers check due to a miskate my coworker made, is this legal?
C-Dubb* March 4, 2014 at 11:48 pm NOOOO. If they worked those hours then they HAVE to get paid for those hours. If your boss doesn’t want to pay him/her, the only thing they can do BY LAW is write her up and/or suspend them, send them home or flat out fire them. But they CANNOT just not pay them for hours that they rightfully worked and earned. That is 100% illegal.
C-Dubb* March 4, 2014 at 11:44 pm I am an Optician at a HUGE optical company and I see them do illegal activities EVERYDAY! My district manager had a meeting with us and literally stated that any female not wearing make-up was being sent home, also. The state law is that there is to be a minimum 30 minute lunch taken BY the fifth hour of working and the company usually has us work through lunch. Adding to that, we get paid Bi-Weekly and for the past 3 pay periods, I have gotten paid two days late. Which also break two of my states employee payroll laws, section code 204 and 207. They also fill expired prescriptions. The doctors they contract refuse service to disabled people, such as def or mute, because they can’t communicate with them. Even when the patient is willing to write out their concerns. If somebody forgets to clock in/out or the paychecks system isn’t working properly at the time you need to clock in, they make you work and don’t pay you for the time you were unable or didn’t clock in, even though you worked and made them money. I don’t really know how to go about this anonnomously or however you spell it haha. I get paid decent money and in the economy right now it would be hard to find another job so I don’t want to risk the one that I have even though I hate the company I work for. I looked into the BBB but they only do claims between customer and business. If I were to take any legal action I would probably get fired and I doubt anything would actually happen to the company and/or I would get anything out of it. Anybody have any suggestions??
Anonymous* March 20, 2014 at 4:44 pm I’m a hairstylist and work for a large chain. The company requires you to maintain a certain dollar amount of salon services per week to qualify for paid vacation. The company has a new rule. You must clock out whenever you are not actually working on a client, even if it is due to a “no-show”, appointment error, slow time of day, etc. Even if you exceed your dollar amount quota, you only get credit for the actual number of hours spent on clients. You can work for 35 hours a week, make your quota in 27 hours, and since the minimum vacation quota average is 30 per week, you will lose your entire vacation for the next year. Is this legal? We are not paid by the hour, we are paid strictly on a commission basis.
Anon* June 5, 2014 at 9:37 pm How about this one, employer announces conversion to a drug free workplace one morning (Florida), except no-one knew this was coming, no 60 day notice, and their response was a single line in a handbook stating “employer may drug test under certain circumstances.” Tested everyone that same day and even fired an employee for failing then they change their mind and never actually convert to a drug free workplace. Sounds legal right?
Jojo* June 9, 2014 at 2:05 pm Hai there I am sorry but my question is a bit fat away from your post but I kinda need help for this . I have an idea for an animation film . But I need to have a manager so that the stuidios could look into my idea . Can you help me with that ? Like what’s the first step ? Thanks very much .
Vanessa* June 13, 2014 at 12:52 pm I work for a corporate hotel in California. I have been there for 2.5 years and signed a waiver releasing my rights to a break because I work in the restaurant. I work over 6 hours without a break and even if it is in the policy handbook there is nobody to break me. I just found out they are docking a half hour pay from each 6 hour shift, plus just found out that the waiver is void in California. Is there anyway to negotiate back pay if this is illegal without a lawsuit?
anne* July 1, 2014 at 5:15 pm my employer posted my final appeal letter on the computer i use at work for every to see. is he in his right to do so.
anne* July 1, 2014 at 5:19 pm my employer posted my final appeal letter on the computer that i use at work for every one to see. is he in his right to do so
Lucy* July 21, 2014 at 9:44 am Hello, where I work my boss wants me to start 4;30, 5 am meaning im getting up to leave at 3am im only 17 and I am in full time education is this legal im also working 32- 40 hours a week .
Meg* July 27, 2014 at 3:28 am My employeer is trying to make everybody pay for their own food sanitation test… Can he do that? Or does he have I pay for it?! I need help!
Kumar* August 23, 2014 at 1:39 am Dear Sir, My employer , for last one year deducted the PF(Provident Fund) without PF number. Suddently they stopped to deduct the PF amount last two months. Same time TDS amount is on the same status , I paid for my TDS on march still now i am not get the form X16. They are not giving the right feedback about ours PF & TDS. Please give correct advice how i can claim or how i can proceed legally.
Kumar* August 23, 2014 at 1:41 am Dear Sir, My employer , for last one year deducted the PF(Provident FUND) without PF number. Suddently they stopped to deduct the PF amount last two months. Same time TDS amount is on the same status , I paid for my TDS on march still now i am not get the form X16. They are not giving the right feedback about ours PF & TDS. Please give correct advice how i can claim or how i can proceed legally.
Josh* October 3, 2014 at 3:57 pm What is the earliest my boss can make me take my lunch on a scheduled 8 hour work day? (3 hours into the shift seems too early)
michelle davies* November 5, 2014 at 9:06 am Can anyone help me with a wages problem, My husband and I separated 2 years ago we are still going through financial settlement. His current fiancé and employer owns her own company ,She states in court there is no money in the company , So is unable to pay my husband a wage , This means I am receiving no child maintenance and she is paying my spousal maintenance , can I take legal action against her for not paying him a wage , He says he is happy to work for no wages
Anna* November 9, 2014 at 11:13 am I recently found out that the non profit I work for is using restricted funds (grant money given for a specifc program) to make payroll. Not only is this ethically wrong but it feels illegal as well. Who would I report this to?
help* December 4, 2014 at 3:32 pm I work for a repo company and our internet went down yesterday and is still down, so they have us on ‘standby’. I was just informed they will not pay us even though they told us not to come into work. Is this legal?
Torres* December 13, 2014 at 2:13 am I am an current employee at a t-shirt and kinda like graphic designing place in the mall. I have only been working there for about a week or two and i have recognized something that has safety hazards. I am currently pregnant so safety to me is a big thing with me. And also because i don’t want to be apart of anything if a safety test comes through. The back exit and the only safety exit in case of a fire is blocked and then the work ares and the walk way to the back is blocked. I have warned my boss about the safety hazards and the problems that could happen if not fixed and she doesn’t want to fix them. I do have pictures of the blocked areas on the floor and in the fire exit and the work area. There is also no fire extinguisher. If i was to report my boss am i able to sue as well?
dee* December 17, 2014 at 4:25 pm If I work for temp agency and I work over 40 hours a week thru the temp agency that contracts the laborers to various companies am I entitled to get paid overtime?
Jamie* December 17, 2014 at 4:29 pm If you are non-exempt then the agency is your employer – so yes, the OT rules apply to how much you worked for them regardless of how much at any individual client.
Katrina* December 20, 2014 at 3:46 pm So I bought a jacket and a shirt from my store. The jacket I got probably a week ago and the shirt two days ago. Anyways I got called in to come earlier so I was rushing and didn’t know what to wear so I brought I couple tops, including the one I bought very recently. Anyways I wore the jacket the other day with the tag still on it cuz I didn’t have anther jacket plus I always keep my tags on many of my items. So when my manger was doing bag check she saw the shirt with the tag and asked if I had the receipt, I thought I did but it wasn’t in there. She didn’t even know about my jacket until I showed her. She wouldn’t have found out I still have my tag on my jacket if I wasn’t an honest person. Now I cannot get my products even though I sent her a photo of the receipts, I have to wait until she’s in and she’s gonna have a talk with me cause it’s a serious issue. Am I in the wrong? I will admit it’s stupid to keep the tags on but I think that’s wrong they are holding my bought purchases
help* January 7, 2015 at 10:06 pm I work for a doctor who’s husband’s the office manager. He pulls me In the office about 15 to 20 times a day. Telling me everything I do wrong. From not liking the tone of my voice to how he does not like how I do my notes. Now he’s telling me to drop the secondary Insurance so when they bill, the money will come faster.I’m not sure if this is legal. I think this is insurance fraud. Infact, I saw a eob where they charged for services that were not performed. I almost feel like I will be his escape if they get caught. Can you give advice
Randy* February 5, 2015 at 9:21 am My boss made me clock out before i was done working because we had to stay late, we were supposed to be clocking out at 7:00 but at 7:29 he made us clock out and keep working, is that illegal?
kerry* February 8, 2015 at 4:54 pm Hi I work in a hairdressing salon my boss isn’t paying me for the hours that I’m actually in the salon for example I worked last week 44.5 hours but only got paid £185 which I’ve worked out I’m below m I minimum wage.im also not confrontational either and I think she knows this what should I do