weekend free-for-all – August 24-25, 2019 by Alison Green on August 24, 2019 This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. (This one is truly no work and no school.) Book recommendation of the week: Reasons to be Cheerful, by Nina Stibbe. I don’t know how to describe this book. On the surface it’s about an 18-year-old who moves out, takes a job as a dental assistant, and starts becoming an adult. But I don’t know how to describe it in a way that will do it justice; it’s hilarious and charming and I loved it very much. * I make a commission if you use that Amazon link. You may also like:all of my 2018 book recommendationsall of my 2017 book recommendationsall of my 2015 and 2016 book recommendations { 1,440 comments }
Venus* August 24, 2019 at 12:46 am How does your garden grow? It is getting later in the season, and I finally have one ripe tomato. There has also been enough rain that I may have to mow the grass again, which is a good thing. My sunflowers are growing quickly, and I should pick the garlic soon.
JobHunter* August 24, 2019 at 12:52 am Tomatoes are doing great! I have been giving them away for a week now. My onions only got as big as golf balls and the cilantro has gone to seed. The peppers are coming in nicely. I have the ingredients I need to make shakshuka for breakfast today.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 1:35 am Oh, I miss gardening! A few years ago, our backyard became ‘home base to a colony of feral cats. (They’re all fixed, thank the lort, and we take care of them.) But it means no gardening back there for the foreseeable future. At least I still have my front porch planters, though – Impatiens and petunias, and vinca vines, oh my!
Seeking Second Childhood* August 24, 2019 at 5:07 am This week started with a heatwave, went through damaging rains and was 59 when I glanced at the thermometer at 4:30am. I have to start thinking ahead to repot ting things that are coming inside for the winter. That could be awkward because a wren is nesting on my rolling plant shelves. My fancy basil long since bolted, but this week the other container of standard basil just sort of went yellow. Too bad I’m not raising slugs, because THEY like this weather.
The Other Dawn* August 24, 2019 at 6:56 am I finally have a ton of tomatoes on my plants. I think they finally recovered from being raided by some form of wildlife. The green beans are doing OK, but not as great as last year. Same wildlife raided them. Jalapenos and habaneros are plentiful so I’ll be making more jam this weekend: pineapple habanero and pineapple jalapeno. I think my husband is winning the battle with the Japanese knotweed. It’s coming back, but it’s much slower to come back now.
Blue Eagle* August 24, 2019 at 7:00 am Argggh! The monarch butterfly eggs that I thought were covering my milkweed turned out to be aphids. And the aphids were devouring my swiss chard leaves (they left the collard green leaves alone). What a disappointment. Needless to say the aphids have been evacuated and are no more. On the other hand my cherry tomatoes are overly abundant. Every two days one of my neighbors receives ~120 freshly picked cherry tomatoes. Luckily there are enough neighbors who don’t have their own tomato plants that they only get tomatoes every two weeks so they haven’t been refusing them yet. In the flower garden the phlox and brown-eyed susans are fill the yard with gorgeous color.
PhyllisB* August 24, 2019 at 8:46 pm We have had so many tomatoes (regular and cherry) that we’ve been having to give them away. Green peppers doing well also. Parsley went crazy. Basil, oregano, chives, and rosemary have all done well. Don’t know why we keep the chives and basil, we hardly ever use them. I love them, but just can’t think of that many uses for it. No one in the family but me likes pesto so don’t do that. Hubs made a pasta salad tonight and put basil, cherry tomatoes, bell pepper, and parsley in it. It was so good!!
PhyllisB* August 24, 2019 at 8:48 pm Funny story about tomatoes: a man we went to church with had planted what he thought were Big Boy tomatoes. Well, they got about the size of a marble and started turning red. He didn’t know WHAT was wrong. Turned out he bought Little Boys, a cherry tomato. He got a lot of kidding about that.
PX* August 24, 2019 at 7:19 am I am incredibly jealous of all you with tomatoes. My plants only started flowering late and then the weather turned and all the sun disappeared so they have barely ripened. We’re in for a bit of sun this week so just trying hard to get them as much sunshine as possible. I need to repot them at some point and get some sturdier stakes.
Venus* August 24, 2019 at 8:30 am You aren’t the only one who is jealous – I have plenty of green tomatoes, but only one that was even close to red! I picked it a bit early so that it could finish ripening inside, away from the squirrels.
PhyllisB* August 24, 2019 at 8:50 pm Look up a recipe for fried green tomatoes. UMMM!! Also you can make green tomato pickles if you like pickles.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 25, 2019 at 4:29 pm There’s actually a recipe inside Fannies Flagg’s book “Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe”. :)
Falling Diphthong* August 24, 2019 at 7:19 am We took out a climbing rose bush this spring. In the empty space are two evenly spaced identical plants. So we suspect they are on purpose? But they haven’t yet done anything, so they might be weeds.
GoryDetails* August 24, 2019 at 8:19 am I’m getting ripe tomatoes too, heirloom Pineapple and Brandywine – they take a loooong time to ripen but are definitely worth it. Alas, my eggplants and peppers don’t seem to have recovered from the too-hot-and-wet early start, so I only got a few fruits from each plant; usually by this time of the season I’m eating ratatouille three times a day to use them all up {wry grin}. The cucumbers have been very happy, and they ripen so quickly that if I don’t check the plants daily I may find a humongous cuke where there was a mere blossom only moments before, or so it seems… I didn’t put in lots of flowers this year, but the perennials are doing well. The bee balm is burgeoning, to the delight of the bees, and the pineapple sage plant is coming along. I sometimes think I could give up gardening entirely, as there are so many local farm stands (both professional and hobbyist-with-too-much-produce) that I could glean a lovely basket of veggies with a short drive around the area. The fresh corn is especially hard to resist. And apple season is coming on too, whether at the full-blown orchards or the many landscape-planting apple trees that happily drop full-sized apples on the sidewalks and parking lots.
Becky* August 24, 2019 at 3:25 pm I LOVE Brandywine tomatoes but mine do NOT want to produce this year… I made some gazpacho last year with my brandywines and it was bright pink! My friend thought the color was hilarious.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 1:42 pm I don’t think mine counts. I don’t turn my compost pile. So I get volunteer butternut squash plants. I usually end up with around 100 squash. And I do nothing except avoid mowing the vines that come out from the compost. So far the pattern seems to be if they weigh more then I get less of them. One year I got 89 squash and they weighed between 7 and 12 pounds each. I needed help moving them because if I put 4 or 5 in a box that box weighed close to 60 pounds. Last year was easier (?) as they were running about 5-7 pounds each but there was just over 100 of them. So far this year, they are kind of odd. They look big but they are weighing around 5 pounds. It’s early yet, though.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 6:01 pm I use this easy recipe I found online: https://anoregoncottage.com/homemade-tomato-soup-youll-never-go/2/ You can use canned whole tomatoes and leave out the carrots. I usually don’t have any. I also leave out the thyme; I don’t want pizza soup. But it’s really good!
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 7:43 pm Thank you! I bookmarked the recipe and will definitely try it, sounds delish. I noticed that you can substitute 1/4 of the stock with orange juice for a ‘bright flavor’; I’ll try that version too. (And I don’t want pizza soup either, thanks for the heads up lol) :D
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 10:28 pm I haven’t tried the orange juice variation yet–if you do, let me know how it is.
Becky* August 24, 2019 at 3:22 pm I have had such trouble with my garden this year! I moved to a new apartment and there’s a backyard where there was clearly once upon a time a garden. I decided to plant some. I decided rather than clearing the weeds and amending the soil I would just put everything in those fabric planters (they worked well last year at my old place). Then we had a super wet Spring and I think the roots started getting moldy. There’s also a tree that leans over the area that was giving it too much shade. So I trimmed that back to where I think the sun exposure is good. I bought an automatic timer so I could water in the morning and so when I went out of town I wouldn’t have to ask anyone else to take care of the garden. I put a splitter on the spigot so someone else could use the water without having to unhook my hose, then I put the timer valve then the hose running out to the garden. When I cam back from vacation I found that someone had turned off the valve on the splitter so the automatic timer was useless and my garden was half dead. That was about a month ago. things have kind of recovered. Then recently it was looking like part of my garden wasn’t getting enough water again. I checked the valve and nothing was wrong there. So I investigated the hose more closely (I also had a hose spring a leak earlier this summer) and found the soaker hose I was using had somehow been chopped in half! So half the garden wasn’t getting water. Today I put a new soaker hose in. I think the butternut squash is just not going to get anything this season, I’ve gotten a handful of cherry tomatoes, but my larger varieties seem to be struggling mightily. I have a little fat cucumber, though I am hopeful more cucumbers will come in as there are a number of blossoms and the vines seem to be doing well. My bell peppers finally seem to be doing something too. The chives go crazy without any help but my cantaloupe is all but dead and the strawberry output was puny. Also trying habanero peppers which last year did great and this year have nothing.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 7:51 pm I hope you have better luck next season, and that sucks about your hose! Maybe you can put up a friendly sign? Glad that some of your crop is doing okay. :)
jDC* August 24, 2019 at 6:58 pm I have so much zucchini! Actually glad only one seed made it. I made zoodles and froze them since we love them. Going to have to start canning some tomatoes soon. I may try canning in my Instant Pot for the first time. Tons of cucumbers too, which I don’t actually like but grew to make pickles, my favorite thing. I have a lot of pickles. Luckily my neighbor loves them so she’s been eating them for me. Aldi has succulents for $1.99 so bought a couple new ones of Friday to keep the house green during the winter.
Becky* August 24, 2019 at 10:39 pm I canned some tomatoes last year using my instant pot to do steam canning–it worked out great!
Red* August 25, 2019 at 12:34 am My garden has been doing wonderfully, once we got over the late spring – substantial snowfall in May! I’ve been giving away cherry tomatoes & summer squash for months, had a great crop of snap peas, the second planting is coming along, and the big tomatoes have come on strong. I brought home about 8 lbs of tomatoes this evening from my community garden plot this evening. I HIGHLY recommend using black tomatoes for your BLTs – that smokey tangy flavor they impart is Da Bomb! My BLT recipe starts pick two sun warmed, vine ripened Black Krim, cook a pound of thick cut applewood smoked bacon…and ends Serves 1. On Tuesday I picked 18 lbs of squash, after picking the previous Sunday morning. I planted 16 (!) varieties of squash in order to conduct the Great Summer Squash Taste Test of 2019. It may have been excessive… I’ve been taking care boxes twice a week to my neighbors with the 3 teenagers – one is a boy, and one of the girls is a vegan. I took probably 15 lbs of squash and 10 lbs of tomatoes in to work on Wed – it was gone by the end of the day. I also drop produce off at my mechanic, and a couple of my doctors offices.
Lena Clare* August 25, 2019 at 4:21 am My back yard is completely overgrown. It’s only small, but because I was ill for months, I hadn’t felt like I had the energy or motivation to do it, but now that I do I’ll feeling really nervous about tackling it. Every day I put off doing it makes me feel a bit more stressed out. Plus, the back alleyway is blocked off with one of my neighbour’s lilac trees which has spread, outrageously. This is making me inordinately stressed too. I think the property is owned by a housing association though; if so I can at least ask them to tackle that themselves. I want to do a bit today, so I’m just going out to buy some secateurs and some weedkiller and vinegar, and then I’m going to 45/15 it, à la UfYH. Please send me any good thoughts and vibes you have :)
PX* August 25, 2019 at 6:17 am Good luck! I find starting things the hardest part but once I do, a but of good music and I’m set for hours!
Lena Clare* August 25, 2019 at 8:56 am Thanks!:) I managed an hour and have cleared about 2/3 of the weeds. It’s too hot to do any more! I will do some more tomorrow and try to do about half an hour every evening this week while it’s still light after work.
Venus* August 25, 2019 at 6:58 pm That’s really good! I know there’s still the other 1/3 and probably more things to tackle beyond the weeds, yet that’s a huge amount of progress. Most importantly, the rest should feel manageable – if you could do that much today, then you can definitely do the rest. Good luck!
Perpal* August 25, 2019 at 7:16 am I planted a few sunflowers for the first time this year and one is now blooming! They are impressive; so HUGE! I was really worried deer would eat them all, but so far, so good. Will plant more next year.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 25, 2019 at 10:48 am My overwintered dahlia has its first flower of the year. Around the time the weather changed, I pulled one of the companion plants out to its own pot, so I don’t really know what made the difference. I suspect weather because the piece I knocked off by accident is growing new leaves in another pot. In a less pleasant garden development , there is a tiny new critter hole under my front steps. I can’t dig up the hole because it’s under 4ft granite slab steps…but I don’t want to use poison when my property has hawks & foxes & well water.
JobHunter* August 24, 2019 at 12:49 am Runners! How is your training going? I am still sidelined…silly pup may have contributed to the snapping/popping sensation in my hip. It’s not painful most of the time, but a walk of 2 miles or more makes it a little sore.
SINE* August 24, 2019 at 1:35 am Sorry to hear you’re sidelined. That’s never fun. Hope you heal soon! I just started running again this week after taking a year off thanks to knee issues. There were days where I couldn’t even walk the two blocks to the grocery store without having to stop because it hurt so much. But after lots of PT, accupuncture, an MRI, and more PT, I was able to run-walk 3 miles last night and I feel great!
JobHunter* August 24, 2019 at 10:32 am I’m glad that you are feeling better. That was a lot of poking and prodding you went through.
londonedit* August 24, 2019 at 1:39 am I’ve never seen the weekend thread with fewer than 20 posts before! And the reason I’m up at 6:35 UK time is that I’m doing my long run this morning. It’s a bank holiday weekend here and I’m going to stay with friends tomorrow, so 10 miles today it is. I’m meeting up with some running buddies in about an hour, and we’re going to do 7 miles out and back along the Thames before ending up at parkrun to do the last 3 miles with everyone else. It’s a great strategy as it means you always have loads of people with fresh legs to run with for that last bit! In other running news I’ve been doing 5k at 5:45am for the last few weeks, and I’ve managed to persuade a few people from my running club to join me each time, so that’s good. I think it’s really making a difference to my running in general, and it’s so nice to be all done before work and have the evenings to myself. Especially as we’ve had warm weather recently.
BeanCat* August 24, 2019 at 8:18 am I did my 5K last Saturday as my last hurrah before surgery on Monday! I was thrilled since it was my best time ever at 32:42 and 10:28 per mile. I already miss running but I definitely need to recover.
Sled dog mama* August 24, 2019 at 9:18 am I’m finally getting back to running and biking (I have knee issues so it will never be just running) after being forced to cut back drastically by my hubby’s knee surgery last year and sidelined by an injury earlier this year. I feel like I’m starting from square one. I got in two solid workouts this week (one run, one bike) and have plans for a longer bike tomorrow. I feel really accomplished in getting that in this week. I’m working hard to compare only to yesterday or last week rather than where I was before hubby’s surgery.
Lady Jay* August 24, 2019 at 9:26 am Popping in to say did y’all notice that Kilian Jornet is going to try to break the Pikes Peak Marathon record tomorrow? Last record was 3.16 and set in 1987. (I’ll link to an article about it in my reply). I’m fascinated by competitive marathoning/ultrarunning (waiting for Kipchoge to break the 2-hour marathon) and will look forward to seeing the results tomorrow. Me personally? It’s been a slower week for me due to a lot of things, including the weather. It’s SO humid here that getting up to a decent speed or being at all comfortable is difficult. Waiting for summer to break . . . But did y’all noti
Lady Jay* August 24, 2019 at 9:27 am Yikes, sorry about the “did y’all not” thing there!! Clearly did not clean up my drafts well enough . . .
Lady Jay* August 24, 2019 at 9:27 am Outside Article on Kilian Jornet / Pikes Peak Marathon: https://www.outsideonline.com/2401263/killian-jornet-attempts-pikes-peak-marathon-record-2019
anonagain* August 24, 2019 at 10:29 am I started trying to run. I am slow and uncoordinated and can only manage a minute or two before I need to walk again. But during my “run” yesterday a happy golden retriever came up to me and leaned against my leg, so I’d say it’s going great!
Desperately seeking cute kitty* August 24, 2019 at 7:11 pm I’m getting back into training to speed-walk a half marathon (some of these marathons reopen the roads too soon to walk at a normal pace) and in the space of about a week, I’ve seen three friendly cats! Patting cats always makes training better.
bleh* August 25, 2019 at 3:42 pm That’s great. I have been running for years (decades?) and I’m still slow. But I’ve finished a lot of races and had fun and it keeps my blood pressure mostly normal despite bad genetics in that area. I hope you enjoy it and get better able to run between walking.
Ron McDon* August 26, 2019 at 4:42 am Have you tried the couch to 5k app? It gives you a structured plan, starting out at running for just a minute at a time. I could only run for a minute or so at the start, now I can run for 30 mins! It’s a great plan, if you’re interested in following one.
PB* August 24, 2019 at 11:20 am I am just over a long-term chest cold that’s kept me inside for three weeks. Today is the first day I haven’t coughed at all! So, I’m planning to get back to exercising, probably starting with some easy walks to make sure I’ve 100% recovered, and then start working running intervals back in.
LGC* August 24, 2019 at 12:36 pm It’s been…rough for the past week for me. Last Friday, I came down with a cold. I spent Saturday and Sunday morning wrapped in blankets on my parents’ couch. Sunday night, I ran a mile. Specifically, I raced a mile. This was not the best decision, even though I ran surprisingly well! (Like, I was within 6 seconds of my PR. I would have been happy if I were within 20.) I’m STILL recovering from that, I think. Basically everything I’ve done this week has felt twice as difficult as usual.
Trixie* August 24, 2019 at 12:37 pm Runners/walkers, what do you reoommend for inserts? I have Saucony which are great for width but not so much arch support or cushion.
Ktelzbeth* August 24, 2019 at 3:12 pm I have my first Olympic distance triathlon a week from today, which is longer than I have done before. I think I’m trained well enough, but I have a long drive Friday night to get there. Also, my pool and my usual alternate pool are both closed this week for end of summer cleaning. A friend that I train with asked me the other night, in the middle of some other people’s conversation about their upcoming Ironman, if I wanted to be his training partner for one next year. I’m not entirely sure he was serious, but he has been talking about it. So. . .that’s something to consider.
Neela* August 24, 2019 at 12:51 am What’s the absolute best product you own under $200, something that you would immediately replace with an identical one if it broke today? Right now my answer is this very heavy, very furry blanket that makes me feel like I’m hibernating with a bear.
Orphan Brown* August 24, 2019 at 1:20 am Probably my instant pot, or my t-shirt blanket with is so soft and comfy and full of college memories. That latter is irreplaceable though!
Slartibartfast* August 24, 2019 at 1:46 am Heated mattress pad with 3 independent heat zones per side. I can have my feet warm when the hubs has the AC set so cold it’s setting off my Raynaud’s. His internal thermostat seems to run at ‘blast furnace’ when he’s trying to sleep.
Slartibartfast* August 24, 2019 at 7:16 am https://www.sunbeam.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-sunbeam-Site/default/Product-Variation?pid=MSU7R-MASTER%20Zoned&dwvar_MSU7R-MASTER%20Zoned_size=Queen
Slartibartfast* August 24, 2019 at 7:17 am Sunbeam therapeutic heated mattress pad, url in moderation :)
Alex* August 24, 2019 at 7:22 am I was going to choose the same thing! My heated mattress pad is priceless (and also $29.99 on amazon).
Goldfinch* August 24, 2019 at 5:13 pm Thanks for the rec, also married to someone who prefers to sleep where penguins migrate.
jDC* August 24, 2019 at 7:10 pm Love my heated mattress pad! I happened upon one in the clearance section at Target for $20 a few years back!!
londonedit* August 24, 2019 at 1:53 am My heated clothes airer. It was only £30 but it’s amazing! I live in a small flat and don’t have a tumble dryer (they’re not hugely common in the UK, especially in rented flats) or outside space to dry my washing, and being a small flat things always took forever to air dry on a normal clothes airer. My heated one dries clothes in less than a day, even in winter, and it costs pennies in electricity! So worth it.
Chaordic One* August 24, 2019 at 1:59 am I had never heard of such a thing before. The really neat ones don’t seem to be available in the U.S., but I found one that resembles a heated towel rack on Amazon.
Cookie Monster* August 24, 2019 at 8:26 am Ditto on my Kindle! I used to be such a kindle hater, and finally I caved when I kept moving around and was not close to any libraries. Now I can check out books from my favorite library back home even when I’m 200 miles away, and I can bring like 8 books with me on a trip without worrying about luggage space. I’ve never converted to loving a product so fast.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 1:54 pm I have a Kindle Fire and I love that I can watch movies and TV. When I was hospitalized in 2016, I fortunately remembered to stick it into my purse before I went back to the ER in the middle of the night. I didn’t feel like reading, so I finished that season of Orange is the New Black while stuck in a bed. I would have been SOOOOO bored without it. It was so funny. One of the doctors was like, “What are you watching?” I told her and she was like, “Ooooh I love that show! No spoilers!” Then we started going, who’s your favorite character, blah blah blah, lol.
Stitch* August 24, 2019 at 9:38 am I have an ancient classic kindle and it is still trucking. I love it.
Okay, great!* August 24, 2019 at 1:27 pm Same here! I thought I lost mine for a while so I got a newer one (then, of course, found the old one). So my husband and I both had one, till the new one started having all sorts of problems. Old one is still going strong!!
Stormfeather* August 24, 2019 at 3:59 pm Yet one more me too… no extra features, all black and white, non-glossy, plastic-y screen. I love it. The only downside is that I would maybe like to read some graphic novels and such on it, but it is really not good for that. I was having issues with the charger for it for a bit, and was afraid it was dying. I was very unhappy! I don’t even know if I COULD replace it with a similar product at this point, and the tablet versions are more expensive, more clunky to navigate, and make me feel like I’m going to break it a lot more easily.
JeanB in NC* August 25, 2019 at 6:50 pm I’m very frustrated that my old Kindle stopped charging. I had to put the charging cord in a very specific position and leave it that way. I really don’t like the glossy screen on the newer one, plus its seams hurt my fingers. I didn’t need something to play sound on, I just needed my non-glossy screen and comfortable hold!
Alex* August 25, 2019 at 8:04 am Me too! I have a first gen Kindle that I bought on craigslist for $20. The battery life isn’t super great anymore but I don’t really want any more bells and whistles.
purple otter* August 24, 2019 at 1:57 pm For me it’s Nook but same principle! My first generation Nook (2010) finally died last year and I immediately replaced it with a current version. With the amount of travel I do, it’s just not practical to haul a lot of physical books or waste my phone battery.
EggEgg* August 25, 2019 at 2:13 am Same! Mine isn’t fancy, just a paperwhite, but I love being able to check books out from the library anywhere, anytime, and it’s so good for low light. I’ve even checked out library books while sitting next to a campfire!
Windchime* August 25, 2019 at 10:20 am Mine is also a simple Paperwhite that is 5 or 6 years old. My first Kindle broke when it fell down the stairs, but this one has been a workhorse. Once I figured out the library thing, I’ve been in heaven. I only buy a book if I know I will re-read it again and again; otherwise, I just use the library. Figuring out how to borrow from the library made it a game-changer as to how much I read.
Bilateralrope* August 24, 2019 at 2:37 am My smartphone. Yes, mine was that cheap without any discount from the contract with my phone company. I bought it because it was the cheapest IP68 smartphone. The only complaint I’ve had is that my work chose the same model for all the work phones a few months later, probably for the obvious reasons. So I bought a cheap cover for my phone. I see no reason to upgrade to a more expensive phone.
Square Root Of Minus One* August 24, 2019 at 8:55 am That was my answer too. I bought it cash new for €160. Perfect.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 9:53 am Mine was also less than $200! Wire was so helpful when picking it out. My phones don’t even last a year. When I was in a psych ward they managed to break my phone which was in an otter box. (Impressive.) One broke when it was in my breast pocket and fell into the toilet while I was cleaning it. (The phone was playing an audio book). And I broke two phones and a laptop because I was using it when I had a seizure. These were three separate incidents, for the record. I still have my last phone although the screen is horrible and it is very glitchy. I was happy to keep using it but my mom ended up buying me a new one and telling me to keep the old one as a back up because she hated not being able to track my movements on Life360. (With my seizure disorder I think it’s very reasonable that she wants to be able to see if I’m like, in the ER, or something. And I feel better, like she’s my guardian angel, knowing she has access to that info.)
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 1:58 pm I broke Bob (my Galaxy S4) . Too many times dropping it in a cheapo case. The screen would not appear anymore. Poor Bob. :( When I replaced him with Arlo (S7), I bought an Otterbox, the slimline one. So far he’s doing great. The thing I keep breaking is my coffee press. I have broken THREE of them! Stupid dyspraxia coupled with a low-hanging kitchen cabinet. :P
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 2:25 pm Ooo, I have to check out this Otterbox thing. I have an S7 also that I got last year after my S5 finally died. I’m careful, but it somehow has a couple of spider line cracks at the top, so I need to get a good case for it. I love that you name yours! :)
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 6:08 pm I name EVER-THANG. My laptop, on which everything is Avengers-themed, is named Korg. I even found a clip of Korg saying “Hey, man” and replaced the Windows error sound with it, lol.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 7:56 pm LOL and a theme too! I’m seriously gonna start doing that; and to think, I used to only name my cars – now the possibilities are endless :D
KimberlyInOhio* August 24, 2019 at 8:36 pm Many of our household things have names, too. Treadmill is Treaddie Mercury. Branch lopper is Cyndi Lopper. Backyard bug zapper is Frank Zapper. Deck fan is Fannie Lennox. Etc.
MAGC* August 25, 2019 at 8:12 pm We kept breaking the glass inserts on our French press, and finally converted to a metal one two years ago, like this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FWLZ1RI You do have to get used to estimating how much coffee might be left by the weight, but it’s also insulated so coffee stays warm longer.
aarti* August 24, 2019 at 3:24 am A vibrating alarm. I put it under my pillow and it vibrates and wakes me up. I always hated waking up to alarm noises and I don’t like using my phone as an alarm. In addition I get up much earlier than my husband so this way my alarm doesn’t wake him up. One of my favourite things I own.
Person from the Resume* August 25, 2019 at 8:05 am Oh my sunrise alarm clock. The light gradually get brighter and brighter and usually wakes me before it gets to the sound which is the sound of birds in a forest set very low. Not loud at all. Such a gentle wake up. So much worth the investment. Had it for years and if it breaks I’m replacing it right away.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 24, 2019 at 5:34 am I’ll go old-school: my little coffeepot. It has this beautiful design where the water is part of the circuit so it can’t be burned out by being run without water. A microwave is my close 2nd… can’t imagine going back to reheating leftovers any other way. (And actually this is relevant because the handle is starting to cracking on our aged relic.)
An Elephant Never Baguettes* August 24, 2019 at 5:57 am Electric kettle and my hot water bottle. One time my bottle broke and I ordered another one via amazon prime just so I wouldn’t have to sleep without it 2 nights in a row (it was January in Scotland in student housing and REALLY COLD).
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 1:59 pm Ooh yes, electric kettle. My mum gave me mine and I use it every day.
SpiderLadyCEO* August 24, 2019 at 3:31 pm Thirding electric kettle! Mine is second hand, from my grandparents, and it’s lived through 4 years of college dorms, and 3 apartments, and 2 cross country moves. This thing is magical.
KimberlyInOhio* August 24, 2019 at 8:33 pm About three years ago, a thread on Reddit made me purchase my electric kettle on Amazon. The commenters were just so enthusiastic, so I found a cheap one (under $30 then, but it’s a little more now) that’s plastic so I can travel with it, and not too big. Turns out that it’s the most powerful one in its price range and the price range above it, too–1750 watts where it mostly tops out at 1500. It is SO FAST. I adore that thing and have considered buying another one just so I never have to be without it again. I only use filtered water in it, and it looks like new. LOVE.
Rina Beana* August 24, 2019 at 6:47 am Sunlight alarm clock. Light goes up slowly leading up to my alarm time, so by the time the alarm goes off the room is bright.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 9:55 am That’s wild! I really want smart light bulbs so that they will turn orange and dim as time passes. Now that I don’t live in a basement where it wasn’t safe to have the curtains open its less necessary, but I think it would still be helpful. The light going up slowly sounds even better!
Worked in IT forever* August 24, 2019 at 11:14 am Do you have the Philips version of the clock, with the chirping bird alarm that gets gradually louder? I like it but find that it can be finicky to use the snooze feature because you had to tap the top of the face of the clock in just the right place, because there is no snooze button.
Person from the Resume* August 25, 2019 at 8:10 am Yes. I don’t find it too finicky. Although sometimes I missing the first try when I’m sleepily slapping at the clock. The whole face is the snooze button so there’s a good bit of surface area to hit.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 2:31 pm I have one of those that I bought many years ago at the Discovery Channel store. The sun rises from the top at the alarm time, with bird chirps and plinky music or babbling brook. I love it, but I don’t use the babbling brook sounds feature for obvious reasons first thing in the morning. :D
Gatomon* August 24, 2019 at 3:55 pm Yes! I still hate mornings, and I still drag getting out of bed, but without it I’m downright murderous. I have the really basic Philips model (you can catch it on sale for ~$50 sometimes) but I do wish I had a more advanced one with dual alarms, or a setting for a lengthier/more gradual brightening. If it breaks I’ll get a nicer model.
Fran* August 25, 2019 at 11:55 am Boyfriend had it and I hated if I didnt have to get up at the same time or earlier. I need a dark room to sleep and I am an early riser in general so I would wake up too.
DaleZan* August 24, 2019 at 6:57 am My robot vacuum. Bought a bottom-of-the-line, which means it needs more regular maitenance (monthly deep clean of the robot) but DANG the cat hair and cat litter is basically never present. My floors are barefoot ready at all times with a daily routine of robot.
The Grammarian* August 24, 2019 at 7:06 am I’d agree with you that my robot vacuum has definitely added a lot to my life by sucking up cat tumbleweeds and stray cat litter. I also love my heating pad. At one point, I had three.
The New Wanderer* August 24, 2019 at 10:55 am I think I may have to look into that again, for exactly cat hair and litter reasons (current cats track way more litter than previous cats for some reason!). We’ve had some pricier ones but they never seem to last more than a couple of years. But it would be a big, big help.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 2:00 pm I have a Roomba I bought on the cheap, but it needs a battery. The batteries for that thing are $100!!!!!
Falling Diphthong* August 24, 2019 at 7:21 am LLBean sheepskin slippers. They do routinely wear out from constant use, and immediately get replaced.
Just a hypo* August 24, 2019 at 8:06 am Clothing steamer. I had one, it broke, and I waited a few years to replace it because I was being a stubborn idiot. Also, a programmable coffee pot. All but the cheapest models have one but I would replace it same-day if it broke.
Talk talk* August 24, 2019 at 8:52 am Rice cooker. I poo-pooed the purchase when my husband bought it but OMG, I can never make rice or quinoa on the stovetop again.
The New Wanderer* August 24, 2019 at 10:57 am Same. We’ve replaced our rice cooker once and the bread machine once, both within a day or two of needing to, they’re that handy.
Amy J.* August 24, 2019 at 12:25 pm Same. My MIL bought us one and I thought “oh no, another kitchen appliance we won’t use.” I was so wrong.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 8:56 am Two things: my ForLife stump teapot (actually HAVE broken and replaced it once), and my LectroFan Micro white noise machine/bluetooth speaker, which is absolutely priceless for travel! It was recommended here a couple years ago, actually, and I still count it as one of my best purchases.
Mid* August 24, 2019 at 9:11 am Two things: noise cancelling headphones, and a ring. Noise cancelling headphones are a life saver for ADD, and for travel, and for lots of roommates, and I broke my pair at an airport once and immediately bought a replacement pair at the next airport. My grandmother gave me a ring many years ago. It is silver and shaped like a sun, with Baltic Amber in the center. I actually had to replace it once. A roommate stole my ring, and then denied it of course, and so i had someone on Etsy make me a replica. This ring never leaves my finger, except when climbing (and even then, sometimes I just tape over it instead of taking it off)
Sled dog mama* August 24, 2019 at 9:28 am My teapot is the number one thing that comes to mind, or the tea mug I leave at work. Which seems silly but I think having it there really makes my day better. I would say my sodastream (yes I drink that much fizzy water as my 5 year old calls it) but hubby has promised to replace it with a carbonated water tap like a friend has when it breaks. If he wasn’t going to…yeah I’d be at the store in a heartbeat. After thinking for a minute shoes. I wear Dansko clogs to work everyday (I have several pairs) but I would replace them in a heartbeat, only shoes I’ve found that work this well for my feet.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 9:59 am My mom bought really nice lace up shoes for me for a Christmas gift. They are very artsy and the designs are just very me. But it turns out that laces are really hard for me. I usually have to take two breaks while doing them up and this makes me so sad. I’ve had zip up shoes for five years before this gift and I just didn’t realize the laces would be a problem. I can not stress how beautiful these shoes are and how much I want to love them. :(
acmx* August 24, 2019 at 10:46 am If you go to a running store, many of them sell lock laces that don’t need to be tied. And if you buy there, maybe an employee will relace your shoes for you.
The New Wanderer* August 24, 2019 at 10:59 am Seconded! Check out the various options on Amazon, too, there are some that don’t require any interaction at all (they turn lace-up shoes into pull-ons, essentially). I’ve been using various lace alternatives for years for myself and the kids and there are multiple different styles.
No fan of Chaos* August 24, 2019 at 1:38 pm I buy bungee laces on Amazon and replace the laces. They come in many colors and are adjustable. I even buy sketcher women’s shoes and remove the nonadjustable laces with the adjustable bungee laces. I have to tighten the laces about once a month since I walk through water often.
Owler* August 25, 2019 at 11:12 pm If your SodaStream dies, check Goodwill or what your local charity resale shop is called. I see them in mine for $8 fairly regularly!
KarenK* August 24, 2019 at 9:28 am My egg cooker, a Dash. Hard boils 6 at a time perfectly. My first one rusted from the water. Now I thoroughly dry it before I put it away. Cost: 20 bucks. Also my electric kettle.
KimberlyInOhio* August 24, 2019 at 8:39 pm Are you me? I love the Dash egg cooker and my electric kettle. What kind of kettle do you have? Mine’s this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086UJQN8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 9:39 am Heh. Not quite what you asked but my cd copy of “layla and other assorted love songs” by Derek and the Dominoes.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 9:46 am Tough choice… with moving from a small 2 bedroom apartment into a gorgeous house I’m having to get all sorts of furniture and appliances and these things are surprisingly expensive. I didn’t have a full size oven in my apartment, but there was a toaster oven. Now that I don’t have a toaster oven I really miss it. I just want to heat up some fish sticks for dinner. I also haven’t cleaned the oven out yet, and based on the state of the cupboards, the stove top, and the fridge (the fridge took me three days to deal with! How did these people live like this!?) it’s not going to be a fun time to get it in a working condition. I also had a little personal blender that I wore out faster than it should have because of error on my part. The waste of that makes me sad. I used it for smoothies but also for making the BEST scrambled eggs. It only required cleaning 2 parts, where as many full size blenders require more than that. There are of course several things related to my art and crafts. I’m so excited to be back in the glass studio. I recently bought a rock tumbler to turn colored glass people threw away into frit to be reused. I haven’t actually used it yet but I did so much research and I’m so excited. I know this is more than one thing! Sorry! :P
cat socks* August 24, 2019 at 12:52 pm I love my toaster oven! I just baked some bacon in it this morning. So much less messy than the stove.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 2:07 pm Me too, especially when it’s very hot. Doesn’t heat up the entire kitchen. :D
Koala dreams* August 24, 2019 at 4:28 pm For fish sticks I have a sandwich maker with different grates: grill, sandwich and waffle. I use the grill one for the fish sticks, vegetarian burgers/nuggets and large sandwiches. You can use it to grill fish fillets too but the cleaning is more difficult.
Windchime* August 25, 2019 at 10:27 am OMG. I have a little Oster chopper that I bet would whip up eggs for scrambling really well. I never even thought of doing that!
MissDisplaced* August 24, 2019 at 10:09 am Under $200? Probably my combo convection, toaster, air fryer oven. We use it all the time because the air fryer function cooks all manner of crispy stuff in like 10 minutes.
JDC* August 24, 2019 at 11:08 am My spiralizer for my kitchen aid mixer. We love zoodles in this house and I can actually get veggies in the kid. Also my Wustoff 8” chefs knife. I don’t like wasting money in knife blocks filled with knives you never use. I much prefer to buy three or four good knives that you’ll use. I use my 8” for nearly everything.
mindovermoneychick* August 24, 2019 at 11:21 am I don’t know if this is the best, but it’s the one that immediately came to mind. I joined Orangetheory Fitness a while ago, and I notices a small numberof the more fit/serious looking members wear weightlifting gloves. Now, mind you, I’m mostly lifting 12 pound dumbbells and nothing more. But we also use TRX straps and do floor exercises wear my hands are supporting my weight on the floor or a bench. And I often feel like I’m losing my grip. So while it felt a bit pretentious as a not serious/fit looking person I got myself a pair for $20, and OMG it makes such a difference. 2 weeks after I bought them I lost one of them. I went out 2 days laters and got a new pair.
PB* August 24, 2019 at 11:22 am My coffee maker (which would be hard, as Cuisinart ceased making that model). I love it. It makes delicious coffee, and I can program it to ensure that I wake up to a fresh pot every morning, and it only cost around $60. My old coffee maker was terrible and brewed hot mud about half the time. Best $60 I ever spent.
C Average* August 24, 2019 at 11:41 am A patched tabby named Mitty I got at the Humane Society for (if I recall correctly) around $70, though there have been some ongoing maintenance costs that undoubtedly bring the total expense to over $200. She keeps the rodent population nonexistent and she is an invaluable source of amusement and companionship.
Dr. Anonymous* August 24, 2019 at 12:10 pm Kai 9″ professional-grade sewing shears. Better than my Ginghers.
Windchime* August 25, 2019 at 10:29 am I have these, too. They are so sharp that I put a big nick in my ankle once when they fell off the sewing table and the tips of the scissors grazed me. I love ,love, love them.
Not A Manager* August 24, 2019 at 12:28 pm Immersion blender. Also my pour-over coffee cone, which cost about $5 but I can’t live without it.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 1:58 pm Oh gods yes immersion blender. I don’t know what I’d do without that thing.
Nott the Brave* August 24, 2019 at 1:17 pm My computer headphones – they broke a few years ago and I immediately bought the same ones.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 2:04 pm Ooh, I thought of one. My little Anker charger. It’s quite powerful and only cost about $20. It looks like a very large lipstick and lives in my purse. I wish I’d had it the last time I went abroad; I could not find anywhere to charge my damn phone. Rawr. I’d love to get a solar charger too for my emergency kit, just in case.
jDC* August 24, 2019 at 7:13 pm When I traveled a lot I loved my Mophie case. Pricey but so convenient and no wires. My son has the phone it fits now and raves about it every time he flies to his moms (my stepson so that makes sense).
Deanna Troi* August 24, 2019 at 2:18 pm Shark Navigator vacuum cleaner. Picks up dog hair like magic!
Alexandra Lynch* August 24, 2019 at 2:46 pm My weighted blanket. Where has this been all my life! I’ve had three days since I got it with minimal fibro symptoms. I don’t know if this is a solution, but I’m thrilled for any clear days I get. I’ve had fibro for 20 years. Mine is a twin-size blanket that weighs 20 pounds. (I weighed the big heavy blanket that I’d been using, doubled, for weight. 20 pounds.) Boyfriend has anxiety and got one and says he is sleeping much better. I can say he doesn’t twitch as much.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 6:10 pm Hmmm. I have a friend who suffers dreadfully from fibro. I wonder if that would help her.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 8:15 pm A friend of mine (we’re over 60) got one last Christmas. It’s drastically helped her insomnia as well as muscle aches and even leg cramps – hate those ugh. (There are no more after midnight social media posts about how she can’t sleep. Close your Facebook app, Karen! No wonder you’re wide awake.) My niece is an LMT (licensed massage therapist, Swedish Institute); she treats clients with fibro’ and a weighted blanket is one of the therapies she recommends for relief. Not a cure of course, but I know of at least 5 people who love theirs.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 7:03 pm I love mine, it just came with a fuzzy cover & is so dang hot. I need to finish the cotton cover, have the fabric already. If there is an Ollie’s Closeouts anywhere nearby, they had the 15 pounders for $49, and I think they were having trouble moving them in the heatwave, because the last flyer we got showed them down to $39.
What the What* August 25, 2019 at 11:12 pm Wow—I definitely need to try a weighted blanket! I have ankylosing spondylitis (and possibly fibromyalgia as well). I LOVE the lead apron at the dentist office. Is there a good brand that doesn’t sleep hot? I am a blast furnace ;)
Perpal* August 25, 2019 at 7:18 am Portable carpet shampooer – my cats throw up. A lot. Always on the carpet.
Dusty Bunny* August 25, 2019 at 5:08 pm My 5 speed KitchenAid hand mixer. (I also have the stand mixer, but I LOVE the hand mixer!) It’s 25 years old and still works great. I predict one day I will be mid-baking project and it will die, and I will be very sad. And then I’ll run out and buy a new one.
Alexandra Lynch* August 25, 2019 at 6:35 pm After 15 years, one of the welded on ears of my stand mixer’s bowl broke off. Yes, mid-recipe. We immediately ordered a new bowl. My boyfriend had weight loss surgery, and every morning he eats a piece of quichecake, which is half quiche, half cheesecake, and I don’t want to try to make it without a stand mixer.
KaladinSB* August 27, 2019 at 7:20 pm Leatherman Wave multitool. Absolutely indispensable at work and in the garage, and not too shabby in everyday life as well. Similarly, basic pocket knives. I’ve got more than I know what to do with already, but Kershaw Leeks and Shallots are just about perfectly suited for everyday tasks, and sleek and comfortable to boot.
Mid* August 24, 2019 at 12:57 am The Comma Incident Okay, so it’s Thanksgiving. It’s been a hard year for a lot of family members–deaths, illnesses, injuries, layoffs–basically no one is in their best form at this time. And, of course, long hours, lots of travel, cramped quarters, none of that exactly brings out the best in people either. I love my family, and they are good people, honestly! Now, as a note, I was quite young when this occurred, and I’m sure some of the details are exaggerated for dramatic affect, as tends to happen in family stories. Alright. So, it’s Thanksgiving. Small house, large family, stressful year all around. Everyone made it through the majority of dinner with minimal sass and snark, and only a few passive aggressive comments were made. We’ve avoided politics and religion, sticking to the usual safe topics of weather, family gossip, neighborhood gossip, bragging, and sports. Then, somehow, the topic of Oxford Commas comes up. Note, this is not a family of English teachers, or really any academics, so how exactly this topic came about is murky (though I’m pretty sure I’m the one who brought it up, as that is around the time I was studying that in school.) But somehow, a friendly discussion about whether or not we should use Oxford Commas starts to devolved. People are grabbing books and magazines and newspapers, trying to prove they’re correct. Then, someone made a comment about how “Aunt [A] shouldn’t talk, since she flunked English in high school!” This, of course, shocks Aunt A’s mother, who was not aware of A failing any classes, and thought that A was a solid A-B student. A’s brother, Uncle [B], then says something about A getting her grades up through…less than moral methods. A’s husband then stands up to defend his wife’s honor, saying that A would never sleep with a high school teacher. A looks down, appearing quite guilty. B stutters something about meaning that A faked her report cards, but A & B’s mother has noticed that A looks off. Now, it should be noted at this point that copious amounts of wine and other adult beverages had been consumed throughout the day, so speech-filters weren’t firing on all cylinders. A’s mother asks her why she’s making that face. A then blurts out that she slept with her high school English teacher several years ago (not while she was a student, she had graduated many years prior.) Aunt C starts laughing, saying “that’s just like your mother!” (Aunt C is closer in age to A’s mother than to A, and they had been friends for many decades.) Great-aunt then attempts to shush C, but ends up hitting her fork, and flings mashed potatoes across the room, landing on my father’s hair. Now, my father likes to consider himself a funny guy, a joker, a prankster even. So, naturally, he decides to fling potatoes back at Great-aunt. A small food-fight ensues, with the children and dogs thoroughly enjoying the show (and floor food, in the case of the dogs). It seems light-hearted at first, but quickly turns vicious. Names are being called, divorces threatened, curses are flying. Food stops being flung, but insults don’t. A is a floozy gold-digger, B is a lazy bum, C is an old hag, Great-Aunt is an alcoholic witch, my mother is spoiled and bad at raising kids, my father is a workaholic who doesn’t love his children, D peaked in high school, E is never going to get married if she dresses like that, and so on and so forth. Eventually, one of the young children starts crying, which snaps people out of their arguing, and everyone dissipates throughout the house, muttering things about needing to get some air/check on the pies/change the baby/check the score. There is an uneasy peace for the rest of the visit, with no one acknowledging the insanity that had occurred less than an hour prior. I guess in some ways, the fight was a good thing because everyone got to let off some steam. Though, to this day, the same combination of family members has NEVER been allowed to be in the same room together. No one spoke of The Comma Incident for several years, until the wine was flowing and someone made a crack about it one Christmas. It took several people chiming in to remember the root of the arguing–and so The Comma Incident gained its title, and it’s place in family lore.
Free Meerkats* August 24, 2019 at 1:04 am Great, now I have to try to go to sleep with intermittent chuckling vs the occasional snort eruption… Truthfully, it sounds like my wife’s family, except they’d still be arguing about it, lo these many years later.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 1:30 am This is hysterical! And sounds very relatable, ngl… You have a talent for writing!
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 8:29 pm @Mid, and you absolutely MUST repost this story on the weekend free for all just prior to Thanksgiving this year. This is pure gold. I’m dead. ;,D
Mid* August 24, 2019 at 10:12 pm I will definitely forget, so anyone is more than welcome to repost this or remind me!
Sherm* August 24, 2019 at 2:01 am Ah-maz-ing. If that same combination of family members should meet again, be sure to invite me!
Lilith* August 24, 2019 at 2:18 am I do want an invitation, too! I’ll bring the makings for some good cocktails.
Anastasia Beaverhousen* August 24, 2019 at 3:33 am Amazing. (And I come down firmly on the side of the Oxford comma! My work doesn’t let us use them for work purposes, which I continue to find absurd…)
The Kerosene Kid* August 24, 2019 at 7:18 am This made my morning. (PS English teacher here-I’m a strong proponent of the Oxford comma!)
Falling Diphthong* August 24, 2019 at 7:24 am It’s like how the post about moving someone’s candy dish got 1400 impassioned comments.
Reba* August 24, 2019 at 8:29 am This is more spectacular than many stories on the Carolyn Hax holiday threads. Oh my GLOB. Thank you for sharing!
T3k* August 24, 2019 at 11:53 am Oh this is freaking amazing and hilarious and so glad you posted this (and I strongly support the Oxford comma!).
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 2:23 pm OH. MY. GOD. I am DYING. This is one of the best stories ever. :’D And yes to the Oxford comma. Do not take it away from me. The food fight reminds me of one time when we had Thanksgiving dinner at my uncle’s old house. The dining room was so small that once everyone sat down, nobody could easily get up again. So we were passing rolls by literally throwing them, lol.
I hate coming up with usernames* August 24, 2019 at 4:11 pm Uh. Wow. I can see the beginning of the argument because I DO come from a family of English teachers. In fact, I have a teacher bag that says, “You can have my Oxford comma when you pry it from my cold, dead, and lifeless hands.” But this is something else. Dang.
Goldfinch* August 24, 2019 at 5:19 pm A lack of Oxford comma costs approximately five million dollars. Look up the Oakhurst Dairy case.
Aphrodite* August 24, 2019 at 7:55 pm Oh, this is so funny to read. And I really needed it. Thank you!
chi chan* August 25, 2019 at 4:49 am This was a good laugh. I want to hear more stories about these family members.
vanillacookies* August 25, 2019 at 7:17 pm When I started reading this I misunderstood and expected a *coma* incident. What a wild ride!
Owler* August 25, 2019 at 11:43 pm Well yes, but what did your family decide about the Oxford comma? :)
Lehigh* August 26, 2019 at 11:01 am It sounds like the aunt was an adult by the time she slept with her high school teacher (“many years” after graduating.)
Free Meerkats* August 24, 2019 at 12:58 am I know we have some pencil pouch aficionados here. And some otterholics. Here’s something I found on Etsy, only 13 available. I have no affiliation with the artist. https://www.etsy.com/listing/588169873/otter-pencil-pouch
Trixie* August 24, 2019 at 12:58 pm SophieCorriganShop has some adorable otter illusrations. https://www.etsy.com/listing/683280080/otter-jotter-notebook?ref=reviews
Alexandra Lynch* August 25, 2019 at 6:36 pm Thank you for that link! I solved the “What do I get my sister for Christmas” problem.
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 1:12 am Has anyone here been a foster parent without a life partner or bio kids of your own? Experiences? What did you wish you had known beforehand? For BG: turning 30, single, thinking a LOT about my life long term and realising I want to make a meaningful difference. I work in mental health care with some pretty extreme issues so I actually think I could deal with behavioral issues / work on healthy attachment from a place of empathy and reliability. Not sure whether it would work practically, because while I am reasonably well off for a single person (own my home, sizeable nest egg which means I am not living paycheck to paycheck,, I don’t have the budget for a car, for example. And I do work close to fulltime. Not all my hours can flex. Any thoughts??
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 1:15 am I should add: not in the US. My Western European country has good social security and the local foster care agency is competent. They do a long (months) assessment and prep process for prospective foster parents.
Ask a Manager* Post authorAugust 24, 2019 at 1:33 am I just went to a foster care info session last week, and I think it might be really tricky without a car — you’ve got to drive your kids to a lot of appointments (doctors, therapy, visitation with parents, etc.). But it could be different where you live; it’s worth asking!
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 1:36 am Yeah, personally I get by without one very well because the public transport here is so good. But it does mean the school at least would have to be reasonably nearby. That seems like the big one re: convenience and not adding an hour commute everyday. Glad to hear I am not alone in considering it!
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 24, 2019 at 2:21 am In my country, children in foster care or adopted from care are guaranteed a place at the foster parent’s/s’ preferred school regardless of how full it is. That recognises how important the school setting is for settling a child into a new home.
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 2:23 am Can I ask where you are? I will definitely ask about this. I think for short term placements, this would not be the case. Maybe for long term though!
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 24, 2019 at 4:20 am UK (specifically, England). Sometimes it’s important for foster children to be at a school where nobody knows them, or to be with other members of the foster family. The law regarding school place allocations in England is complex but “cared for” children jump the queue as their need for suitable schooling is considered more important than other considerations (class size, proximity to home, etc).
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 24, 2019 at 4:24 am Which is to say, the foster family gets to choose which school, whether that’s staying where they are, going to the brilliant school across town with extra provision for something foster child enjoys, going to the nearest school, or whatever is most suitable for that child.
Zombie Unicorn* August 24, 2019 at 10:09 am Ok but sometimes they need to stay at their old school – this won’t always happen.
Ask a Manager* Post authorAugust 24, 2019 at 2:34 am Interesting. In our county, they try to keep the kids in their original school, even if the foster home is outside that school district — otherwise you can get a situation where the kids are being moved from school to school, causing further disruption in their lives.
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 2:38 am I would imagine that is the reasoning here as well; a lot of emphasis is places on minimizing disruption for the kids. Additionally, agencies stress that the parents are the actual parents and foster parents are encouraged to maximally support parental authority (unless it is actually bad for the kid). I would imagine upholding their decision as to schooling would be included in that.
Zombie Unicorn* August 24, 2019 at 2:03 am I’ve worked with kids in foster acre and to be honest you will struggle without a car. I also know at least one person who works in mental health who made a great foster parent but had to give it up because it was like a busman’s holiday and meant they never got a break from being a helper (because obviously foster kids are usually traumatised). I don’t mean to discourage you, but I would think carefully about your potential for burnout.
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 2:26 am That’s a really important point, thank you! I am actually starting a round of therapy in the fall partly to help explore this. I would only want to do this is if it sustainable and good in the long term. So I don’t wanna just think about how rewarding it might be.
Ask a Manager* Post authorAugust 24, 2019 at 2:44 am One thing we’re thinking about is starting with respite care — meaning that you’re a short-term respite home rather than the long-term placement. We figure that especially since we’ve never raised kids, that might be a good way to ease into it rather than jumping into a long-term placement immediately. Maybe something like that is an option for you too?
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 3:43 am That was actually my first thought as well – it is hard to predict how first time parenting might go. One downside to that is that it would be more difficult to make big adjustments (like moving things around to maybe get a car anyway) for something short term. But I think it is generally likely the more responsible route. Our agencies do need multiple types of care (short, long, parttime, crisis), and I know of people who also did one short placement before deciding on whether to offer a long term place (to a different child). Thank you for sharing!
Scandinavian in Scandinavia* August 24, 2019 at 8:25 am Something that is done a lot in my country is weekend families as help for strained families and kids. This can help the parents do sufficiently well to actually keep their kids (rather than have them go into the care system), and the kids get the attention of adults with more resources (and possibly some weekend siblings). Maybe something to consider.
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 2:35 pm That’s also one of the options here! I am less attracted to that as opposed to short or long term fulltime care because it seems difficult to me as a childless person to suddenly sometimes have to entertain a kid for a weekend. As opposed, I guess, to people who already have families. But I will certainly consider all options! Maybe it will turn out to be right for me. Thank you!
Owler* August 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm I think if you reframe what it means to entertain a child, you might be more comfortable. If their lives have more upheaval, they might benefit from seeing your low-key steady day. (I’m thinking of a friend who loved seeing my family sit at the dining room table for dinner together every night.) Think of your own life-maintaining weekend habits and see if any of them would work to do with a kid in tow. Like food: most of the kids I know benefit from seeing an adult cooking, shopping for groceries, meal planning.
Baru Cormorant* August 26, 2019 at 12:26 am I think it would be easier to entertain a kid for a weekend then to suddenly do full-time care for short/long term. It’s like having a friend visit vs. getting a roommate. You wouldn’t need as much stuff as you would for full-time care and it would be easier to ease into it as a childless person, I would think.
Anastasia Beaverhousen* August 24, 2019 at 3:40 am I think the car issue differs by where you live, though – Diaz is in Western Europe. When I lived in Western Europe, there were tons of people with kids who didn’t have cars; my neighbours, like a lot of other parents I observed, would truck their kids around in a… sort of tricycle with a tent attached? Not just a sidecar strapped onto a bicycle, it was more heavy-duty than that. People basically didn’t own cars unless they absolutely had to – or unless they were rich – because they were insanely expensive there, easily triple what you’d pay in the US.
Detective Rosa Diaz* August 24, 2019 at 3:48 am Yep, a car would cost me in the vinicity of 200-300 euros a month all included. Everything is near at hand and I can get to both my jobs on public transport with no issue. People use the contraptions you describe quite a lot here! Parents in the city will sometimes not own a car, although people who live in small towns usually will. I could purchase a kid lugging bike for much less than a car and not need gas or insurance, just a garage nearby. But that would only make sense based on a specific child longer term. If they are older we can both ride bikes. If they only stay for a few weeks it wouldn’t be worth such a big purchase (electrical variant is about 2k!!).
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 10:27 am This is something I’ve wanted to do since I was 18. I’m severely disabled and online I’ve helped many high school students navigate accommodations and their IEPs. I’ve written about my experiences in Special Ed and am working on getting those essays published. It is deeply fulfilling work. In high school and my freshman year of college, I also taught anti bullying “classes” to middle schoolers. I found I deeply enjoyed the work. I also just randomly get ideas about how to teach different subjects in a fun, engaging, and different way. Putting all this together, I think I would love to parent / mentor young people with disabilities. I’m not at a place in life where I can do that and I might never be. :( When I was growing up my mom arranged for local artist to baby sit us. We would be dropped off at their studio for most of the day, given instructions and a lesson, and worked on our project while the artist worked on her work. I loved it. I also went to classes at the community arts center and took more structured classes in local artists homes. I think this last one is something I could plausibly do and enjoy. I actually took one charcoal drawing class (because my parents did NOT want me working with charcoal anywhere in their home) that I just did my own thing while the instructor went through the lessons. It was an adult class and it REALLY pissed off this one other student.
Theguvnah* August 24, 2019 at 2:39 pm This online helping is so wonderful and not something I have thought much about. Thank you!
Teach* August 25, 2019 at 12:04 am There are people who have made a living doing coaching and instruction on parenting and self-advocacy for teens with learning challenges , in case that is good info for you to know. Seth Perler is one example – a good mix of free published work, videos, and paid courses and services.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 10:32 am I’ve also heard a lot of horror stories from foster parents. I know they are probably rare but it’s not a perfect, or possibly even good, system. I don’t think I could withstand an experience like that.
Blythe* August 24, 2019 at 11:12 am I am a single foster mom in the US. Depending on your area, the car may or may not be an issue. For me, here, it would be. But, I could imagine being a foster parent in, say, London or New York City. It would really depend on the available public transportation and your work flexibility. I will say— trauma and attachment issues are way, way harder when they are in my home rather than at my place of work. I don’t regret doing it— I took more kids, in fact— but it is the hardest thing (emotionally, physically, and logistically) that I have ever done. If Alison is able/willing, she can send you my email address and you are welcome to contact me directly.
Orphan Brown* August 24, 2019 at 1:18 am Does anyone else go through life feeling like you did something horribly wrong? I experience each day anxious and feeling like I’m going to get in trouble for something. I was literally sent to the principal’s office in elementary school and it’s exactly that feeling. When I try to narrow in on what it is, it’s most often nothing at all that I can pinpoint, but if it is something specific it ends up being something really silly. I’m in my late thirties. Just wondering if anyone else experiences this too.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 2:08 am I’ve had that happen to me, it’s very unsettling! Are there specific times of the day you feel this way, or is it random? For me, I was afraid of getting in trouble for forgetting something, anything. So I kept a note pad handy to jot down even the silliest or most obvious things that I had to remember, as well as the important stuff. Helped me sleep better at night and reduced waking up with that feeling. You may not be concerned with forgetting things at all, it could be something else that worries you. Try to journal when you feel that way. You may see a pattern or a way to an answer, and journaling may even help you feel a bit more in control of those feelings. That experience of being sent to the principal’s office when you were a child is enough to give anyone that kind of fear! You’re not alone.
Orphan Brown* August 24, 2019 at 3:04 am Forgetting things is sometimes the silly thing! It’s often random. Keeping a notebook is a good idea.
Chaordic One* August 24, 2019 at 2:11 am This sounds dangerously close to being a work-related post, but, yeah, it is something I have dealt with in the past and continue to deal with from time to time. Counseling involving use of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) helped me a lot and I would recommend it. In retrospect, I wish I had sought it out earlier.
Orphan Brown* August 24, 2019 at 3:07 am I will check that out! I actually wasn’t thinking about work when I posted this, this just happens in my life on a regular basis. But it does also happen at work but in those instances I can pinpoint the issue (that I’m procrastinating on a difficult task, or feeling unheard by people, etc) Outside of the workplace it’s very hard to pinpoint sometimes.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 6:04 am I have a couple of colleagues with anxiety disorder and this sounds very much like how they described their symptoms.
KoiFeeder* August 25, 2019 at 2:42 pm It’s very much like how I experience my symptoms, too. Since CBT and autism don’t always mix well, I get 90mg of Cymbalta. Frankly, I’d recommend the CBT. :p
Christy* August 24, 2019 at 7:10 am Yes, I have clinical anxiety, lol! Wellbutrin and CBT have been godsends along with regular exercise.
Washi* August 24, 2019 at 8:39 am Yep! Frequently! I usually describe it as feeling I have a huge life-changing exam tomorrow and I have procrastinated studying for months (so a combination of guilt, self-loathing, and dread.) This is not a silver bullet, but it has helped me over time: 1. I feel the feeling. I sit somewhere quiet, close my eyes, and try to feel the feeling with every part of my body. 2. After a couple minutes, often the feeling recedes a little, like a wave crashing on the shore and retreating. The water is still there, but it’s not towering over me. 3. After that, when I notice I’m feeling like that again, I note it to myself – “ok, brain is doing that thing again” and then without trying to shove it away, continue with my day. The other big pieces has been tackling negative self-talk and being too hard on myself, so reducing the guilt I feel about actual concrete things has, I think, also reduced this amorphous guilty-about-nothing feeling that would often envelope me.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 10:35 am I love the “feel the feeling” wording. That is exactly what I do but I didn’t have the words to explain it.
Snarflepants* August 24, 2019 at 9:47 am Sure, I felt like that every day before I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder. Also when I drink too much coffee.
Enter_the_Dragonfly* August 24, 2019 at 1:09 pm I’m not sure if it’s exactly what you’re talking about, but I used to wake up with these horrible feelings of panic and guilt that would last all day, often many days. I would think that I must have done something TERRIBLE to someone and then forgotten what it was, making me feel even worse! I would skulk around, scared, guilty, and anxious, apologising for every little thing, trying to figure out what I had done and to whom. Not easy for those around me! After years of this, I finally started tracking the guilt surges and it turns out they were ‘just’ part of how PMS manifests for me. The problem didn’t go away, but knowing the root mitigates the panic and means I can stay in control until it passes. No more tailspins! Fortunately, it’s gotten a lot less frequent and strong as I’ve gotten older.
Vincaminor* August 24, 2019 at 1:54 pm Yes, and also like any decision I made was going to be the wrong one and lead to catastrophe. I finally went to my doctor and she prescribed a) lexapro; b) counselling. Generalised anxiety disorder no longer runs my life, and I can get through the day without waiting for the other shoe to drop. Which is not to tell you what to do, but this sounds a lot like brain chemistry shenanigans and it’s really nice not to be carrying that anymore.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 2:59 pm I have that dread from time to time. Sometimes it’s (relatively) true, and my subconscious is trying to remind my ADHD conscious of a thing I forgot, which may or may not be as important or urgent as the feeling would indicate. Working on my org systems and having backups I can check helps with that. Also having built a better repertoire of options to recover from mistakes. I mean, once you’ve screwed up enough important things and gone through the process of fixing them enough times, your attitude changes from “oh, no, disaster!” To “well, that sucks.” Other times it isn’t true at all. That usually indicates that I’m sleep deprived or stressed about something else, and my brain is making up stories to explain why it has all those stress hormones washing around. Or on rare occasions, I will get that feeling of dread because I’m catching something and my body is trying to fight it off. It is possible for your body to give you strong but nonspecific “something is wrong” signals that feel like emotional stress or worry. Whenever it’s not a real thing forgotten, stress management & sleep hygiene are my place to start. Bonus – stress mgt & sleep hygiene also make my brain remember things better.
saddesklunch* August 24, 2019 at 3:17 pm This sounds very similar to how I felt before I got treatment for anxiety. I was already in therapy, but when it got really bad my therapist referred me to a psychiatrist who put me on a low dose of an SSRI (setraline) for about 5 months. I’ve been off the meds for more than 2 years now and very rarely feel that anxious anymore, and my anxiety is much easier to manage when it comes up.
Orphan Brown* August 26, 2019 at 2:20 am Lots of food for thought. Thanks for all the comments and info.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 1:22 am “I tawt I taw a puddytat!” Hubz and I are happily owned human slaves of 2 former strays (they each ‘self-rescued’). Both black cats, purely coincidental. Baby (F) is age 6, Mr. Spock (M) is apx 18 months. There are 5 years between between them becoming part of our lives. We did introductions verrry sloowwwly. (Google is your friend in this.) Because cats. Will do things in *their* time, not ours. (About 3 months time in this case, sometimes more/less.) Patience and consistency is definitely paying off, as they are co-habitating very well. Baby is the older Diva ‘big sisfur’ of the household, and she gets annoyed sometimes by the exuberance of her ‘little brofur’. Baby is a cuddly lap cat, while Spock, who was more cuddly during his ‘acclamation period’, is growing into his boisterous adolescence. Prince of the Zoomies. I tell ya, the dynamics are “fascinating, captain”. Their shared love of Temptations treats is how they understand that ‘good things happen when they are together’. (Treats in moderation of course.) And playtime. Admittedly, we both need to engage in more playtime with them, despite our exhaustion from work. We all feel so much better when we play with them, reduces stress and releases endorphins. And they’re both so freaking cute, it shouldn’t be so hard to find the time. So, fellow pet pawrents: how do you plan playtime with your furkids? What activities are on their joy meowmeter? (Side note: we’ve had dogs before too, and we also manage our TNR’d backyard feral cat colony. TNR = Trap Neuter Return. Google it- the most effective and humane way to manage the feral cat population. Our ferals, who we love, are now age 6. Happy, healthy, well-fed, vaccinated, spayed/neutered. We provide daily food and water, and have insulated outdoor shelter dens for them in our backyard to keep them warm and toasty in cold weather. It’s seriously one of the most fulfilling things we’ve ever done. Helps the cats and our community. We’re equal opportunity animal lovers.) <3
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 24, 2019 at 5:33 am The Elder Statesdog is pretty sedate, due to being almost 12, so her requests for attention involve walking up to someone and basically putting her head under their hand for pettins. She gets insistent if one doesn’t get the hint at first, but is also a master of guilt trips (being a chronically sad-looking bloodhound mix) and passive resistance. (The guilt trip I got last night for not letting her eat a catnip mousie, good lord.) The Puppycat, who (despite being feline) thinks she is a smaller version of the Elder Statesdog, does the best she can to do the same thing, usually by standing on the coffee table. She also gives kisses (or sands arms down for repainting, depending on who you ask). Her sister is a big chicken everywhere outside of my husband’s office, but if in the office will demand pets and tummy rubs. She actually came to us because, at the shelter, she reached out of her kennel and grabbed me by the bun with both paws and wouldn’t let go. Junior Ambassador is almost 5 and the only one of the whole menagerie who really wants human assistance for playing. Except she mostly just wants people to hold her toys or bones while she pulls or chews on them. And despite being 50 pounds and ten miles of legs (boxer/whippet mix), she will regularly insist on climbing into my lap to snuggle, especially in winter. She curls up pretty small. :)
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 2:45 pm This is so heartwarming and I read it over and over again. Loving the names of Elder Statesdog, Puppycat, Junior Ambassador! Our senior rescued dog Jericho (age 15 when he passed) used to do the same thing for pettins (love that too). He would even approach every person in the waiting room at the vet’s office for attention. And that shelter kitty definitely chose you, pulling on your bun, omg melting. Thank you for sharing that sweet story. <3
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 24, 2019 at 7:22 pm Hehe. I am actually not a cat person at all, so my husband and housemate (who both are) were wandering around the shelter cooing at cats and I was standing in the lobby just kinda waiting for them to pick a couple :) all of a sudden I couldn’t move my head any more, and after a minute I was like “can someone go in that room and let the guy in the green button-down know that one of his cats has his wife by the head out here?” Turns out the reason she was in the lobby by herself was that her littermate was in sick bay with an eye infection. We took them both, the other one as foster-to-adopt because of the medication. After three months of different meds and worsening infections, we were finally like “she hates this, we hate this, can we just *cork pop noise*?” Funny thing is, their shelter names were pirate themed. So while the Puppycat (who’s true name is Captain Kyna Whitepaws, SCOURGE OF LAND AND SEA) was in surgery, we sat Princess Kiara Scaredyfluff the Black down for a lecture about how there would be no hook paws or peg legs, even if we could get her sister to wear an eye patch. (It still hasn’t worked.) The Elder Statesdog is Angua Grace Puppinsky-Rompanopolis, Lieutenant General of the Red Hound Army and High Ambassador to the Kitten Kingdom, and the Junior Ambassador is Alannah Jane Sleepyface Corporal Radar Wigglebottom the Froshus, Queen of the Carrot Mafia and Bane of All Flossiraptors Errywhere. :) The cats are husband’s, the doggos are mine. (Though I actually adopted Angua from husband when we were still friends – I joke that he married me because I wouldn’t let him take her back.) All four of them have been created as D&D style adventurer characters – I sponsored the Pugmire game system – and every Christmas my husband writes me a story about the adventures of Angua and Alannah. One year, the cats joined them in their quest, and they all worked together to save Trismas for the puppies and kittens of the city orphanage after all the presents were stolen by wicked rats. :)
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 10:14 pm Just when I thought I couldn’t love this story more, you went and nailed it! This gives me life and you made my day! :D So, I spent the last hour reading about the Pugmire Realm game, a magical thing I never heard of before, and how your pets’ names are sheer perfection. (And I thought we were clever naming our former fosters after the characters in Bewitched ha!) I’m all in the feels about the stories your husband writes for you each Christmas (Trismas!) and the roles your pets have in the stories. Priceless. PS – *cork pop noise* is like the best description evahh for eye enucleation! We rescued a kitty years ago with a huge golf ball eye infection, our vet treated and performed surgery pro bono, and the lead vet tech adopted him. His name is One-Eyed Willie and he won’t wear an eye patch either lol.
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 25, 2019 at 4:39 am My front hall is puppy-dedicated. One wall has a collage frame of their pictures, the other side has framed art (some from a friend, some from convention art commissions) of my pups in their Pugmire personas. :) This year’s convention art addition was the cats in their pirate gear. :) Trismas is my own household’s answer to the winter holidays, celebrated on December 24th or whenever all unrelated members of a chosen-family group are available around whatever bio-family obligations they might have. Gifts are brought by the Trismas Yeti, Santa Paws, and Sasha the Christmas Tiger. (Which, btw, if you google Sasha – I didn’t come up with her, I just borrowed her, but the original Tumblr post along with its subsequent comments and fan art is a riot.) We usually sip whiskey cocktails, eat Chinese food, watch Die Hard (the original), and open presents and Trismas Boxes (because I always go overboard and can’t ever stuff everything into the stockings, so I just huck it all into cardboard boxes, which is also why I needed three third-parties for “gift delivery” :P ). Last year’s story involved Angua Bloodhound and Alannah Whippet meeting the Trismas Yeti and being deemed NICE DOGS. :)
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 25, 2019 at 11:38 pm Wow!! Pups in their Pugmire personas and the cats in their pirate gear – as convention art commissions – I’m imagining this right now; must be the best art gallery ever, in your own home! That sounds like a wonderful way to celebrate the winter holidays, we do something similar. And I use boxes for multiple gifts too, we think alike. When I have time, I’ll make the box itself as part of the gift by wrapping the box and lid separately, then decorating it with some personalization (initials of the recipient, etc). I will now go off to explore more about Sasha the Christmas Tiger! I have so enjoyed your comments, and I feel like I made a new friend. All the best to you and your husband, and each of your amazing pets. :D
GoryDetails* August 24, 2019 at 9:40 am Three months of introduction time – wow! I hope I don’t have to take that long… I lost my beloved fluffy senior cat a couple of weeks ago and have been thinking of getting a new companion for lively ginger junior cat, but have been worried about how the introductions will go. I *think* junior cat would be happy to have a playmate – he kept trying to wrestle with senior cat, who wasn’t up for that and shrugged him off, though they did play tag up and down the hall now and then – and if I got a cat that was known to be OK with other cats in the past perhaps it’d work out, but I worry about choosing the right one, taking enough time, factors beyond my control – heck, I just worry! Oddly enough, when I was a kid my family acquired cats by the “stray wandered up and moved in” method, with occasional deliberate choices such as getting an adorable Siamese kitten; nobody ever seemed to worry about getting the cats properly introduced, they’d just add the new cat and let them all work it out. And I don’t recall any explosions; indeed, we have photos of three unrelated cats all curled up together on top of the TV cabinet. Left me unprepared for introducing cats with touchier personalities, I guess…
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 3:23 pm First, you have my heartfelt deepest sympathy on the very recent loss of your beloved fluffy senior cat. I’m sending you internet hugs. (( <3 )) Give yourself whatever time you need to grieve and heal; we pet people are in solidarity and empathy with you. For the most part, acclamation time between 2 cats doesn't necessarily take as long as it did for us. I mentioned the 3 months for for our 2 cats so that others wouldn't be discouraged if they weren't seeing progress as soon as they hoped. In our case, a major factor in the extended time is that our older cat (age 6) had been the *only* cat in the household for 5+ years since we rescued her as a 7 month old. When we brought in Mr. Spock late last fall, she was clearly "wtf" about the matter. Mr. Spock stayed in a spare "sanctuary" room (to help him adjust to indoor life). We gradually introduced with smells and sounds before they made direct eye contact. (Rubbing socks on their cheeks, then exchanging socks between the cats so they got used to each other's scent. This worked wonders.) Feeding them on opposite sides of the closed door (starting a few feet away then gradually moving closer to the door. Still out of sight. We watched for their cues to let us know they were comfortable proceeding further. Baby was spending more time hanging out by the door, and they began playing pawsies underneath the door. The real cat-to-cat intros that followed were a few minutes at a time, and Baby's hissing was normal and expected. The tips you can find on Jackson Galaxy's website and by googling "introducing a new cat to a current cat" have been invaluable. We used the ones that had similar advice across the board. Because sometimes too, you have to start all over from scratch, and that's normal also. Your young energetic ginger kitty would probably love having a companion, probably a similar age and temperament. A local rescue group would benefit you and kitty, as their cats are often in foster homes already and they know their individual personalities and temperaments. They do the preliminary matching for you based on what you're looking for, lifestyle, etc. The rescue group can then save another cat from the shelter when you adopt from them, thus saving 2 lives. (And if it doesn't work out, any reputable rescue group will take the cat back for rehoming.) Please don't feel that you're unprepared. Years ago, we all took in strays the same way and no one gave a second thought to whether they'd get along. It's how things were done, and still done now. As with most things pet-related, there's a boom of wealth of info and new techniques out there now, and this is where much of the 'new methods' come from. YMMV, you take what's feasible and adapt to what works for you and your own pets. Sending you purrs and head bonks!
Miles* August 24, 2019 at 4:24 pm 3 months is definitely not the normal amount of time it takes. It took ours a week and they probably would have been fine with 4-5 days. Ours are two unrelated male cats, the older one being 5 when we added the younger one, and the older one hadn’t had much experience with other cats before, and both are anxiety-prone, so it wasn’t like they were primed for accepting each other. Taking a couple days to do it is worth it, but chances are it won’t take very long.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 4:38 pm True. Our situation was uniquely extended due to a variety of circumstances. Generally, I’ve read/heard that anywhere from 1-6 weeks is average, depending on the cats, and other factors. We had to keep our new cat quarantined for awhile in the beginning so that added to the time, I should have mentioned that. With some cats it can take longer, so I wanted to mention the extended time so people wouldn’t give up. And sometimes things happen where you can have setbacks and then have to go back a few steps or to square one. :)
Nicki Name* August 24, 2019 at 10:36 am Hello, fellow colony caretaker! One thing we do is make playtime part of the routine. For instance, the indoor cats who like the red dot know that it usually comes out after I bring the outdoor food bowl in and change the litter in the evening. (Also, I strongly recommend the red dot as something which takes minimal human effort for maximum cat exercise.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 3:45 pm Hi and Meow! You are my people! Ahh yes, the magical red dot – excellent idea making that part of the routine. We can then also reward our 2 for being good and staying out of the way while we tend to the colony cats. Thanks for the tip! (We’ve been TNR certified since 2015. Our colony started with 2 pregnant mama cats who came to our backyard looking for food and a safe place to give birth. Extremely feral, so no dice on rescuing. We provided food and outdoor nesting dens for them. In no time it seemed, our colony grew to 15 cats/kittens. Overwhelmed, we researched “how to help feral cats” and were led to the wonders of TNR. Took the free workshop and became certified. We got help by participating hands-on with volunteers from a local rescue; we also fostered the friendlies until they were adopted. Over the years, some cats have passed away, and some have self-relocated to other neighborhood feeders (thankfully, we got them fixed first). Our colony is now at a manageable 6 regulars, with a couple of other eartipped visiting cats from nearby colonies. Dasher, Shadooby, Tanya, Dreamy, Peekaboo, ZigZag. TNR has been life changing, for the cats and us. Bless you for what you do too. <3
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 4:29 pm Oh, and “minimal human effort for maximum cat exercise” really speaks to me! :)
Cats!* August 25, 2019 at 8:57 pm A suggestion for playing with the red dot is to end the laser game by moving the red dot to a toy or even make a red dot filled with catnip, so they get their prey (reward) after hunting the red dot, otherwise the cats never catch it and it can be very unfulfilling for them.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 25, 2019 at 11:19 pm That’s an excellent idea, thanks! The same for cats as for humans – we hate that proverbial carrot just out of reach. You’re right, by their nature, the cats need their fulfillment reward of catching their prey. We do this with other forms of play, and this is a great way to apply the same principle to the elusive red dot. :)
cat socks* August 24, 2019 at 1:04 pm I’m currently owned by 5 stray cats. One of then is a former TNR kitty and has the ear tip. I try to play with them in the evenings when I’m home from work and any other times when they get the zoomies. Sometimes I’ll bring out a toy to distract them if it seems like a fight will ensue. I’ll take a couple of the cats to the basement for individual playtime. They all love Da Bird. I have some mouse shaped toys I switch out with the feathers. Also very long piece of string tied to a long rod. Sometimes I’ll throw out plastic rings or a balled up piece of paper for them to chase around the kitchen. Also catnip stuffed toys are a hit. I love the Yeoww brand. The Flingama String toy is a big hit too. I’ll attach it to the pantry door while I’m in the kitchen and it usually draws in a couple of them.
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 24, 2019 at 4:07 pm 5 stray-no-more cats, that’s pawesome! Yes, the eartip is like a badge of honor. <3 Thanks for the great ideas! We have toys that we alternate, so they always seem new to our cats when we bring the toys out again, like old friends. Mr. Spock likes to search for the hidden treasure of cat toys that we keep stashed away for rotation, so the hiding places are always in rotation too lol. Once, we came home from work to find that he ripped open his catnip toy, found him laying in a small pile of catnip, all over him, and he was happily stoned. Now it's catnip pawtys under supervision. Yes, the simplest things entertain them – the string/ribbon on a stick-wand, bare cardboard rolls from paper towels and bathroom tissue, crumpled pieces of paper, etc. One of them recently discovered the joys of scratching to their heart's content on a cheap styrofoam cooler that catdad forgot to put away. Styro micro pieces everywhere, including all over the cat lol. :D
TL -* August 25, 2019 at 12:33 am Kitty (1.5 years) usually just lets me know that it’s time to play and I go find her feather toy (she loves it like a binky.) I used to run her up and down the stairs with it but we don’t have stairs in our current place. I also will chase her around, drop bottle caps on the floor for her, and she loves stalking/playing with insects. I get her a new toy every now and then but honestly she’s happy with her binky and the occasional bottle cap I throw on the floor. I’m usually not doing much when she wants to play so I just get up and grab her toy when she starts running around. (I can’t justify “no playtime” with “I’m reading/watching TV/surfing the web” – thinking of it that way really helps me.)
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 25, 2019 at 12:48 am Thanks! And totally agree. We both work long hours most days, my husband works 2 jobs with only one day off per week. We’re just exhausted most of the time when we get home. After some time to unwind and recharge our batteries, we’ll get our second wind and then it’s playtime later at night before bedtime. The disadvantage to that is that both cats want to keep it going long afterwards haha – we can barely stay awake. We have some other toys that they can play with on their own though. Usually they’re hopping on us in bed to keep playing lol. Then it’s the zoomies at 3:00 am waking us up, but it’s all good, as long as they’re happy. I wish I had their energy. Love the bottle caps idea. :)
Cat Meowmy Admin* August 25, 2019 at 12:34 am Thank you for sharing your experiences, personal stories, and tips. Much appreciated. I usually don’t get to comment on the weekend (there are so many others). I thought it might be helpful to share some of our own experiences, as we have rescued, cared for, fostered, socialized, placed in homes, and adopted both cats and dogs over many years. Small scale of course – hubz and I don’t claim to be experts, but knowledge based on what we’ve been through and learned from, through the good times and sad times related to animals. Shared in the hopes that it may help others, food for thought. Enjoy your weekend. :)
OyHiOh* August 24, 2019 at 1:55 am I live close enough to pallisades peaches that I can get them off a truck half a day after they were plucked from a tree. And our state had a rather unusual spring/early summer weather pattern than led to the biggest, juciest, richest peaches I think I’ve ever had, and that’s living in the state where Pallisades peaches come from. I acquired a box last weekend. Baked with a few right away. Fed them to children for afternoon snacks. Scheduled a pie baking day with Neptune and spent an hour last night blanching, peeling, and slicing peaches in preparation for pie baking today. The details are fairly unimportant. Neptune’s sister is in town so I got to meet her (she’s lovely, motherly in a kind and not at all overbearing way). We baked 8 pies. One of his neighbors dropped in, and got the most ridiculously happy photo of us both working at the counter with ear to ear smiles. If you didn’t know our individual trauma and pain stories, it would look over the top cheese. But knowing the stories, it’s a beautiful photo. Therapy’s been interesting. We talked about acceptance and change. Something I’m comfortable talking about for once! Time for origin story: When I was eleven, a man stood alone in Tiennamen Square and stopped a line of tanks. Later in the same year, after I’d turned twelve, the Berlin Wall fell. And from these events and their aftermath, I learned at a very young age that change is inevitable, that it is hard, but also amazing. It was very strange to be precocious enough to be aware enough and understand the significance and also young and childlike enough to still view change and struggle to change with childish magic and wonder. And then as a teenager, I discovered the novels of Chaim Potok. One of the themes that runs through all of his stories is the sense of balance and tension between light and dark. You cannot have good things without the existence of bad things. Good/evil. Light/shadow. One would mean nothing without the other. And then I read a book about something entirely unrelated to change and acceptance but had a story about what becoming an adult means. And this author wrote about an ancient meso american belief that a child could not become an adult until they understood that for any one thing to live, something else has to die. That statement has lived powerfully in the back of my brain for decades. Finally, just within the last week, I saw a quote to the effect of “If I hadn’t given you a push, you would never have changed. — Universe” Leading to therapy last week, where my therapist happened to mention (in a positive way because for now I’m doing well) that within grief, acceptance isn’t just about acknowledging that you’ve lost an important human/animal and they’re not coming back, but also accepting the ways in which your life is new/different after loss. And that really rang true for me. I’m not sure when was the last time I said “It wasn’t supposed to be this way,” “in real time” rather than reflecting on something from months ago. My life is new and different. In some ways harder, in some ways better. Things are going to keep on changing, because that’s the nature of this world we live in and we can go along with it, knowing that change is hard and feels uncomfortable a lot of times, or we can get dragged along kicking and screaming, in which case change will probably feel more uncomfortable than it would have otherwise. I’m happy, you guys. I’m just happy.
Watermelon M* August 24, 2019 at 8:34 am I saw palisade peaches and had to comment. You’re in Colorado? When I moved here everyone was telling me to get those peaches. I must have bad luck, I haven’t had a good one (juicy, but they’re not sweet.) Also glad to here you’re happy! And going to therapy. Therapy is so good.
Mid* August 24, 2019 at 9:25 am You gotta buy them from the back of a truck on the roadside. They’re the best that way. And this year really has been amazing for peaches.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 9:01 am Oh Palisade peaches!! I miss them SO MUCH. The peaches we get here are really good, but I miss the Palisades. (And Rocky Ford peaches and cantaloupe, and southern foothills apples…)
OyHiOh* August 24, 2019 at 3:55 pm We were at the watermelon fest in Rocky Ford last weekend! Festival was a bit of a disappointment but the melons were amazing as always.
Llellayena* August 24, 2019 at 9:41 am I am seriously missing peach season at the North Carolina state farmers market right now. I have to keep reminding myself I moved back north for a reason… And I’m so glad you’re happy! That sounds like a perfect day!
Southern Metalsmith* August 24, 2019 at 11:48 am I’m glad you are happy. And what a great post, thanks for sharing that! And peaches! I grew up eating peaches from my grandaddy’s peach orchard in South Georgia. Yum.
Effie, who gets to be herself* August 24, 2019 at 12:11 pm Yes! I’m so happy that you’re happy. Your posts have been an honor to read.
Not A Manager* August 24, 2019 at 12:35 pm I’m glad that you’re happy. I remember when my husband died, I had this image of him on the beach of a wooded shore, and the kids and I were in a boat, sailing further and further away from him. It’s been a lot of years and I’m still a bit teary thinking of it. But it was a bittersweet image. He was staying in place, and we were not. We were sailing onward. I’m glad that you and your family are sailing onward. May your memories be a blessing.
OyHiOh* August 24, 2019 at 3:59 pm I like the sailboat imagery. You’re going forward, going towards something. And it’s so hard to sail away from what you know. But necessary.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 6:14 pm When my father died, I could not shake off the image of him walking through the woods. He really loved the woods. I could picture him coming to the edge of the woods and waving. Then he’d turn and go back in. I would think to myself, “He loves it in the woods, who am I to tell him he has to come out here and be with me, when he is just so. very. happy.” Years later, the people who bought my father’s house in the woods, told me they could feel his spirit around the property. I am so not surprised.
The night begins to shine* August 24, 2019 at 1:29 pm OMG, I am soooo happy we live in the Palisades peaches state!! We’re just getting them in the stores this past week (we’re probably more eastern plains than you are). The local ice cream shop had Colorado peach flavor yesterday
OyHiOh* August 24, 2019 at 4:01 pm Peach ice cream is seriously the best. My normal go-to is buttered pecan/pecan praline but during the summer, it’s peach, every time I see it.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 3:05 pm Oh, thank you for sharing that beautiful description of the process. I’m so glad for you! And now I want peach pie, but we’re long past peach season here.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 6:26 pm You are making me smile, Oy. You have come such a long, long way. I think the number one thing you did and are still doing is talking it out. It makes such a huge difference to let other people in to our lives. There were a few months where other people just carried me, “com’on let’s go do this or that”. I went. It was fine. People are great, ya know. There are so many brave souls out there, who are willing to say, “I can’t fix this for you. But I CAN sit beside you while you sort and make decisions.” It takes a certain type of courage to help a person whose main problem you cannot fix, ever. Maybe it’s not truly courage, maybe it’s faith or maybe it’s a quiet knowing that when the person is ready they will be back on their feet. I dunno. But I do know that the collective wisdom of those people brought me through. I am very happy for you.
OyHiOh* August 24, 2019 at 6:30 pm I absolutely would not have made this progress without the who were willing to sit and help figure things out! My housemate is amazing and patient and also very good at prodding in just the right way when I’ve needed it.
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 9:01 pm So happy for you! It is not a surprise that you were aware at that age… you have been wise and I have so learned from the things you have shared!
Red* August 25, 2019 at 12:54 am I was in line at the farmers market at 7:15 this am to pick up a box of seconds Palisade peaches. I’ll be processing batches of them this week in preparation for making some of my famous peach jams. Some of the peaches will, of course, end up in my mouth ;)
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 24, 2019 at 2:25 am We are driving over 400 miles today to take the children on a seaside holiday. That’s a long way for a European /grin/ so although it’s a holiday weekend for us, it isn’t at our destination. Pray for my back, and my ears! Anyone else heading off this weekend?
Just a hypo* August 24, 2019 at 8:24 am We are heading back from ours! Our drive was only about 200 miles though, if that. But my kids are 1,3 and 5 so every mile feels like ten. We had a wonderful seaside vacation.
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 24, 2019 at 10:25 am I’m glad you had a good time. How much sand is there in the car…? We have only about 100 miles to go!
Just a hypo* August 24, 2019 at 9:13 pm Oh so much sand. We got back home and I’m planning to spending tomorrow on laundry while DH cleans the car ;).
Pam* August 24, 2019 at 5:24 pm I flew to Sacramento for a weekend with my brother and his family. So far, a wine dinner, a dim sum brunch, and plans for wine tasting tomorrow.
Lora* August 24, 2019 at 2:58 am Update on European vacation: I should have taken the bank card thing as a bad omen and turned around and gone home then and there. I often go to music and dance/fine arts festivals by myself and this is the first time I have ever been completely ostracized for about three days. It was frankly bizarre, to the point that I thought perhaps they were planning to sacrifice me to the local Celtic deity for another year of prosperity or something. I speak the language perfectly well, but people would stare at me for a while, then look away if I caught their gaze and smiled or waved. I was scolded by the event organizer for being late and that was the total amount of human interaction I had other than the customary greetings while buying food in France. I have never, ever been to one of these things and NOT made friends. I got kicked out of multiple restaurants for no particular reason: I’d have time to kill between events, sit down in what seemed to be a not-too-busy place, order a bottle of wine and a three course meal, check my messages and read some news on my phone, get about halfway through my food and wine and suddenly be told to pay up NOW and leave, thanks. I’d look around and there’s plenty of open tables, they’re not trying to get the table for someone else, it’s not late, so…? Okay, paid up and left. This happened three times. Some restaurants that clearly had tables available would tell me, “oh kitchen is closing” or “oh sorry nothing available” and then welcome other people in. I ate a lot of takeaway ham sandwiches. On the third day was a wine tour. It was so crowded I was elbowed out of the way in the tasting line, and between people cutting in line in front of me and generally behaving as if I didn’t exist at all, there were no more glasses, wine, or ham appetizers by the time I got to the table. Oooookaaaayy. There was supposed to be lunch of carne asada and…it wasn’t carne asada, but I was glad it wasn’t my freshly murdered corpse, though it was no animal I could identify on the fire pit. I hope it was pork. One of the ladies sitting at my lunch table scolded me for drinking too much and said nobody drinks more than two small glasses of wine in France ever. The wine itself was not so good – I smelled skunked barrels in the cellar, probably due to poorly maintained and incorrectly sized equipment; the water pump to keep the fermentation tanks cool was broken and there were rusted welds and unsanitary sample valves all over the place. This at a semi-famous supposedly artisanal winery. At this point I was sure they were trying to keep me pure for their bloodthirsty deity and went to Spain. I left about half my luggage at the hotel, figuring I would pick it up on my way back to CDG as Air France wouldn’t let me change my departure plans without a ridiculous fee. Spain was delightful and it felt like I had escaped. Everyone was relaxed and friendly, people served me whatever I wanted to eat and drink like a normal country, there was lots of beautiful scenery and architecture, lots of dogs to pet, it was wonderful. I decided to go back via Toulouse and see the natural history museum, stop for a day before picking up the luggage and heading to CDG. I checked my Air France tickets again to see if maybe it would be possible to leave from a different airport, if any seats had become available, sometimes they’ll give you a deal if there’s a cancellation. This was yesterday. Supposed to leave Sunday evening. That’s when I found out Air France decided to move me to an earlier flight without notifying me – so early that I have to cut my trip short by a day and sleep IN THE AIRPORT to catch the flight. Evidently they were planning on telling me later today, when it would have been too late for me to get there at all, then say “oh well, too bad, you’re stranded”. If I am unhappy with that, I can pay $1300 to change my flight back to a much later flight. My boss already IM’ed me to say he needs me bright eyed and bushy tailed Monday morning for a new project, so later flight is not an option. We’re in the middle of a re-org and I really can’t take extra days. If Air France had changed me to a later flight they’d have to comp me, legally, and offer a hotel room. Since it’s earlier, they make me pay if I don’t like sleeping in the airport/train station. These people are evil. Just pure evil. I have no other explanation. They were deliberately trying to strand me in CDG. France is a horrible place that nobody should visit, ever. It’s very pretty country but you can get better food and wine in Italy (which has its own travel issues but they’re not EVIL, just incompetent, so if you sort of plan to be a day late everywhere it tends to work out) and Spain, and people are like…normal friendly there. I’ve never EVER had problems like this traveling. I’ve never felt so unwelcome in a place in my life. I definitely never had the odd thought, “maybe they’re going to kill me and eat me…” and seriously considered it even momentarily anywhere else in the world, including places that are unfriendly to Americans specifically. In any case they mostly seemed to think I was German or Swiss – shopkeepers replied occasionally to my French with German, which is fair, I look Swiss for sure. I never literally thought, “I need to escape this place or it will be the death of me” other than my crappy hometown when I was a teenager! I’ve never had restaurants kick me out or refuse to serve me. I’m not wearing anything remarkable. I don’t look very terrifying. This is seriously the only time/place I’ve been treated like this and it’s bizarre.
Jemima Bond* August 24, 2019 at 4:04 am Crikey that sounds dreadful – and mystifying!! I’ve visited France time and time again with family etc (my parents have a cottage in the south west and spend about four months of the year there) and I’ve never heard of such treatment. Although the Parisians are famously rude; but still! Whereabouts were you apart from Toulouse? The no more than two glasses of wine thing is b*llocks; also I wonder who the heck was organising a tour of a French vineyard and serving “carne asada” for lunch – that just seems weird. Like touring a brewery of English real ales and being served sushi for lunch. I’d love to tell you to go to another part of France one day, in a different context (hell I feel like driving you there myself, dropping you off at my parents’ place and not letting you leave until you’ve put on a stone in weight and drunk enough Bordeaux to bath a baby in) but it looks like it has soured you on the country for good. I am so sad about that!
Seeking Second Childhood* August 24, 2019 at 5:29 am All I can say is that my friends in Bordeaux would laugh uproariously at the idea that they should stop at 2 glasses of wine on vacation. I’m sorry you had such a crummy experience.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 6:49 am That sounds awful. I’ve had mostly good experiences in France but in Paris in particular people can be extremely rude to any tourists who don’t stay in tourist areas. Americans seem to be treated rudely by French people more often than other nations. Some French people seem to be bigoted against Americans. I had a bad experience with air France when I flew from Cuba to paris. I definitely wouldn’t recommend them to anyone!
londonedit* August 24, 2019 at 7:59 am Wow, I’m sorry you’ve had such an awful time. I’ve only ever had lovely holidays in France (I don’t even find Parisians to be especially rude, though I am a Londoner so I also have that big-city-dweller mentality) and I’m sorry yours hasn’t worked out.
Coffee Cup* August 24, 2019 at 8:25 am I am sorry you had such an experience, but that is…absolutely not the norm in France in any way, shape or form.
Lora* August 24, 2019 at 1:35 pm It’s not a city thing; I rather like cities, for vacation. I live pretty close to a big East Coast city, regularly visit large European and Asian cities for work, go to South American cities for vacation (Buenos Aires, Santiago). Never ever had such a uniquely awful time as I have this week, even for work travel to places I didn’t want to go. I always managed to sorta figure out how to make it work at least okay, and this time the only thing that helped was leaving for Spain…and Air France screwed me on that front too, insisting that I have to leave from CDG early or pay some ridiculous fee. I hated work travel to Frankfurt a LOT but at least it was functional, Lufthansa was easy to deal with, I could sit in the biergartens drinking beer and petting the dogs as long as I wanted to de-stress.
TL -* August 25, 2019 at 1:06 am People I know from Boston and NYC find the French (in general) rude to tourists. Neither of those cities are known for a warm, welcoming atmosphere. Never heard anyone say London was rude, for comparison. It’s not a big city thing.
londonedit* August 25, 2019 at 4:43 am Really? Here in the UK we Londoners have a massive reputation for being rude and unhelpful. People from other parts of the country (especially the North) just love to talk about how Londoners never speak to anyone, how we’re rude to tourists, etc etc. I’ve never found the French rude (I’ve been all over France and last year we had a wonderful holiday in Brittany and Normandy with my sister, who was pregnant at the time and who is also allergic to many foods, and my brother-in-law, and their dog, and people could not have been more helpful and friendly)
Lora* August 25, 2019 at 5:39 am Can confirm. Live in the Greater Boston Metro Area. They are notoriously cold to everyone including each other. New Yorkers just ignore you. And we reckon the French as rude as Germans on a bad day. The key to understanding East Coast USA rudeness is, time is our most precious thing (we are an overworked people with many jobs per person, in cities) and our crime rates are many times higher than anywhere else; it’s rude to take up someone else’s time more than you absolutely must, and if a stranger is trying to have an entire conversation with you they are probably sizing you up to be mugged/raped or distracting you while their buddy steals from you. So you don’t talk to anyone unless it is their specific job to talk to you: customer service people, tour guides, wait staff, etc. The people who get paid to talk to you will happily, fake-cheerfully, exuberantly talk to you, but everyone else you have to assume they’re plotting your death. I mean, maybe not your death, maybe they’re going to pickpocket you or tell you about accepting Jesus as Lord, but either way you don’t talk to them. So we are cold and don’t talk to anyone. Conversely we expect the people who are getting paid to talk to us, or in specific social situations where talking is expected (e.g. at a party, at a book club) to, y’know, talk and be friendly. Just not random street people. This is my issue, specifically: in situations where people are SUPPOSED to talk and be friendly and/or take my money, they don’t. Added to what appears to be the world’s worst transit system, and an airline attempting to extort thousands of dollars from me, it’s just all a bunch of merde.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 1:35 pm Also, in New York at least, there is zero privacy and not enough personal space. A mutual agreement to ignore each other gives the illusion of privacy.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 26, 2019 at 4:30 am NYC girl here. Met nothing but friendly people in France, except a couple of overstressed employees of the airline we flew…and they were American. And we make a point out of going past the tourist areas.
Winnie* August 24, 2019 at 9:36 am Contact KLM customer support. They’re in the same airline group as AirFrance but much more helpful. Ask for compensation, they have given it to me easily when I’ve missed a connection due to airplane problems.
Mimblewimble* August 24, 2019 at 9:50 am Yup, sounds like France. I had a similar experience in Paris years ago and I have no desire to go back. I’m sorry your vacation didn’t turn out the way you wanted. I hope you’re able to get some rest before you have to go back to work.
C Average* August 24, 2019 at 9:59 am Ugh, so awful. I’m sorry. I spent a few days in Paris years ago and will never return to France. Rude, crowded, and just unpleasant. My working theory is that the French are grumpy because they’re constipated from all that bread and butter and cheese. After a few days there, all I wanted for dinner was a bowl of Wheaties with peaches on top.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 10:41 am HOLY SH- WOW My only explanation is that you slipped into demonic dimension.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 3:26 pm The only thing I can think of is that it’s August. When I visited France a bajillion years ago, it was August and almost everyone was incredibly grumpy and unpleasant. I think if I hadn’t had the advantage of passing for a cute naive female student, it would have been much worse. Eventually, some guy who was trying to pick me up explained that “everyone” takes the month of August for vacation, so anyone who’s working is just ticked off at the world from the word go. There could also be something in being taken for German. The tour guides, etc, did seem particularly resentful/obnoxious toward the Germans. I actually heard someone refer to a family of German tourists as “Les Boches,” which shocked me. That was like, 20 years ago? But maybe the political climate in France has resurrected that anti-German sentiment? I’m sorry your trip was so bad, it’s a long way to go and a lot of money spent for such an unpleasant time.
Washed Out Data Analyst* August 25, 2019 at 5:40 pm I’m wondering if it’s some sort of prejudice and what it is.
Lora* August 24, 2019 at 3:28 pm Update: I got on the TGV to the airport and they overbooked it and sold the same seats twice to a handful of people. I paid for first class tickets and I get to stand in the hallway…the entire way. 6 hour train ride. Standing. I swear they’re doing it on purpose to me. The whole country. Mere incompetence doesn’t cause this level of screw ups.
Mimblewimble* August 24, 2019 at 6:28 pm Just keep imagining that glorious moment of wheels up on the plane. Then all of this will be behind you.
Lora* August 24, 2019 at 7:05 pm I am not going to celebrate even then. I will wait until I am safely back in the US. I’m going to hug the customs agent and start crying, probably.
LCL* August 24, 2019 at 9:46 pm You’re from the US? I was going to post guessing that, then decided not to because I didn’t want to start a political discussion. Just say, a lot of the world is furious at the US now, if you read as American I can understand the cold shoulder.
Lora* August 24, 2019 at 10:53 pm Yeah, well… without getting too political, the best way I can explain it is the US is HIGHLY regional in a way that other countries are not. It’s like 7-8 different countries that happen to share a common currency: religion, language, food, health care, civil rights and whether your actual civil rights will be executable in practice, political organization, common hobbies and interests, industry, even building construction standards are VERY different state to state and frequently even within a state, depending on if you’re in an urban or rural area. And we’re exceptionally divided at the moment. Probably a bad idea to treat us as a homogeneous bunch. In any case I mostly read as Swiss or German. People usually say “tchuss!” before they say “hello!”to me.
Lora* August 25, 2019 at 4:24 pm I am truly shocked at the homogeneity of everything sucking though. I’m used to being able to find some okay things in any given trip and make the best of it and everything is just universally awful here. How is it possible for EVERYTHING to be awful? Shouldn’t there be at least something okay? All I got so far is “scenery on the way to Spain was nice”.
MJ (Aotearoa/New Zealand)* August 25, 2019 at 6:11 pm > Probably a bad idea to treat us as a homogeneous bunch. You mean like you’re treating the French?
Baru Cormorant* August 26, 2019 at 12:39 am Yeah… Lora I get that you are having a spectacularly bad time and I feel for you, but how would you feel if someone spoke that way about your country? I’d be pretty offended if someone spoke that way about my culture/country because of some poor service.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 26, 2019 at 4:39 am You did come across awfully harsh. Not “I had such a bad trip” but “this place is so awful no one should visit.”
TL -* August 25, 2019 at 1:40 am When I was in NZ, a lot of people found it acceptable to comment on the state of the USA in a way that was really quite rude, regardless of the reason, and in a way they didn’t find acceptable to talk about most other countries – ie people would be quite shocked and horrified at my rudeness if I discussed cartel violence/corruption in Mexico with my Mexican friend (who can’t access his house because the drug cartels have shut down the road it’s on) but felt quite free to tell me, unprompted, that the USA was the worst country in the world to live in and they would never visit there. (I have literally never asked a single person if they wanted to visit the USA. We’re not a big tourist economy. I don’t care if you want to come or not.) The disconnect could be unreal – one time a black Australian woman went on a rant about how unacceptably racist the USA was (I agree) and she would never go back because of the way people looked at her during the two weeks she was there, though she didn’t experience any overtly racist actions (also fair!). In literally the next breath she told me about a NZ shopkeeper who had refused to sell to her until her white mother walked in, laughing really hard about how funny it was that the shopkeeper thought she was Maori and refused to sell to her until she realized the woman was part white, and then told me how much she enjoyed being in NZ. Definetly not getting into a which country is worse argument – it’s awful in either country and shouldn’t happen. But I genuinely made an effort to avoid people who spoke to me like that – loads of people had interesting, polite, political observations, questions, and often direct criticisms of the USA and the people who were polite about it were the people I engaged with.
Lora* August 25, 2019 at 4:40 am You know, I would mind a lot LESS if people wanted to talk politics. I’ve done that a lot in other countries, where someone wants me to explain the Bad Politician Du Jour’s shenanigans and I have to explain that we are not at all a representative democracy like they are, we have this Electoral College thingy, we have a winner-take-all system instead of the run-offs that tend to force parties to build coalitions, etc. I’d rather have that conversation than people be obnoxious.
Emma* August 24, 2019 at 4:11 pm I’m very sorry you have had an awful time, that sounds rough. But also, I’m French and completely mystified by your experience because it sounds nothing like the France I know.
The Librarian (not the type from TNT)* August 24, 2019 at 8:26 pm My parents had almost the same experience when they went to France, and they went years ago in April, not August. People keep telling me how wonderful, how magical Paris is. But I’ve heard enough of these stories that I don’t think I’d touch it with a thirty-nine-foot pole, especially considering how much money I’d have to spend to go there.
OhBehave* August 25, 2019 at 8:41 pm This was not an unusual experience for friends who were there years ago. Stupid Americans indeed. How quickly they forget liberation!
Lora* August 25, 2019 at 7:41 am Update 2: they delayed the flight because the crew is MIA. I could have slept in a hotel bed last night, but now we’re all going to sit here forever until they locate a crew. I… I can’t even…
The Francher Kid* August 25, 2019 at 1:10 pm “I’m sorry” sounds so inadequate, and I sincerely wish I could do something besides send good thoughts to you. I’m horrified for you. Please let us know when you’re home safe.
Washed Out Data Analyst* August 25, 2019 at 5:39 pm This sounds terrible! I’m wondering why they were behaving like that? Were you in a specific city/province? Now I’m wary of traveling there on my own. I’ve visited Paris once with my parents and once with a group of friends, but never the countryside.
Violetta* August 26, 2019 at 3:50 am Don’t let this story put you off please. It’s either at least a little exaggerated or a complete outlier experience.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 26, 2019 at 4:45 am This. My experiences are opposite and I’ve been up&down the west coast from Paris to the Spanish border, with some inland driving.
Washed Out Data Analyst* August 26, 2019 at 3:05 pm But you don’t really know that. My suspicion is that it is being driven by some sort of prejudice. So obviously, if you don’t belong to the category discriminated against, you won’t get similar experiences.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 24, 2019 at 5:00 am This forum eats my batteries like there’s no tomorrow, and scrolling for followups gets tedious. Is there a way to open/refresh just one conversation? Is there a way to text-search for unread comments?
Taking The Long Way Round* August 24, 2019 at 5:33 am I usually scroll through with the comments collapsed and then when I see a comment I like I open it up. New comments in that thread have blue next to them. And if you know the name of the person you want to read comments by you can uncollapse the comments and then press ctrl and F to search for their name, or just do the same for a bunch of words. But yes, I have to actively restrain myself from spending all weekend online looking at blogs and forums. It is a time drain!
Taking The Long Way Round* August 24, 2019 at 6:13 am Sorry, just realised you’re talking about using this site on your cell! No, I don’t know how you make it easier on that.
Mirve* August 24, 2019 at 8:08 am If you are interested in just one subthread you can bookmark it. The time under each comment when bookmarked will bring you back there. The blue bars for marking new comments may require cookies, not sure. The blue bars stopped working for me for a few months, but recently are working again on both phone and desktop.
valentine* August 24, 2019 at 9:50 am The blue bars require cookies, but they stop working every so often and I have to clear the cookies to get them back.
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 8:11 am There should be a “find” function in your browser. Especially on weekends, when the comments get super long, I remember an uncommon phrase from the last post I read. Then later on when i refresh, I search for that phrase do I can pick up from that spot.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 10:44 am You can also do a find using a rough post time. So if I’m looking for posts in the last hour I’d do “at 10:”. Obviously that gets problematic as the thread rolls into the evening and there are two “at 10” times, and once it hits midnight I add the date to the search to limit it to the new day.
Iron Chef Boyardee* August 24, 2019 at 9:26 pm As much as I love this site, I absolutely HATE how we have to jump through all of these hoops, figure out workarounds, etc., in order to find new posts and replies. Especially on the weekend threads, where it seems like if you’ve got something you want to say you’d better post it at 3 o’clock in the morning otherwise nobody’s going to see it. It bothers me when someone posts something in the late afternoon and has to say “I know I’m late to the party, but [topic].” Why is there no “find all unread posts/comments” button? Why do we have to scroll down and search for a blue line?
ThatGirl* August 24, 2019 at 11:05 pm The comments and discussions, as great as they are, aren’t the point of this site. Especially on weekends. Alison doesn’t have to host this. At least the blue lines make the new comments easy to find.
Ask a Manager* Post authorAugust 25, 2019 at 12:39 am There’s no way to get that functionality without switching to a comment system that either (a) won’t work well with the amount of traffic this site gets or (b) will mean losing other features that I want to keep (like anonymity — I’m not, for example, going to switch to Facebook comments even though that would do what you’re asking). I’ve looked into this extensively, several times. This is the standard WordPress commenting system, with some add-on’s built on top of it (like the blue line next to new comments). There’s no other system that keeps the features I want and won’t break under the traffic weight.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 25, 2019 at 7:15 am Thanks for letting us know it’s a conscious choice–I can’t argue with your other priorities., by the way.
Tango lovers?* August 24, 2019 at 5:10 am After a hiatus of over 10 years I am restarting tango classes from beginner level! Can anyone recommend some music to practice at home with? Back when I used to do this my entire world revolved around “El Choclo” and “La Cumparsita,” so I’m looking to branch out a little now.
Lora* August 24, 2019 at 5:24 am 1) diSarli. Anything diSarli is good to start. The beat is clear, it’s straightforward, you can make it as simple or complex as you like. 2) Gardel. You have to know Gardel’s canon pretty well at milongas, they play a lot. 3) I like Troilo and d’Arienzo when I’m teaching beginners because it’s mostly nice and slow and not too challenging. 4) For fun, try some Liebedinsky and see how you like it. They play more nuevo and alternative in California and it’s a lot of fun if you are into that sort of thing.
Taking The Long Way Round* August 24, 2019 at 5:34 am I think Sister Rosetta Goes Before Us by Robert Plant and Alison Krauss has a great slow tango beat.
Bulu Babi* August 24, 2019 at 11:16 pm This is what we use in beginner classes: . Di Sarli instrumental . Canaro with Maida They both have a very clear beat, the former is more melodic and the latter more instrumental. For intermediate classes we then add: . Fresedo . Biagi with Ortiz Everything else comes later, when students are familiar with basic steps and musicality. Try a few different teachers below you settle, it makes the whole difference. Good luck and welcome back!
A.N. O'Nyme* August 24, 2019 at 6:07 am Writing thread! How’s everyone’s writing going? I haven’t done a lot this week, mostly working out some problems. Still, I’m happy with where this ghost hunter project is going.
The Other Dawn* August 24, 2019 at 7:13 am I’m not a writer, but I do keep a personal blog. I’ve been thinking for a long time, maybe a year, that I want to just shut it down. I find I’m never in the mood to write anymore, mainly because of the back problems (makes it hard to sit for too long), but also because my tenant will see it. Long story, but we’re working on getting them out. Due to them not paying enough rent, nor paying on time, I can’t post about building a home gym, or going somewhere that costs money, or other similar things, because then they get the idea that I’m “rolling in dough” and don’t understand why they can’t stay. (Well, because I can’t afford two mortgages!) They don’t realize I got a huge bonus when my previous company was bought and that’s how I’m doing these things. (I know, I shouldn’t worry about that, but I do.) So not being able to post what I want is stifling me.
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 7:21 am I finished a short story (well, shortish; it was 30,000 words) that I’m pretty happy with. I have the Masterclass subscription and I’ve been following Joyce Carol Oates’s class for the last few weeks and I think it’s made a difference because she’s a very clear, eloquent teacher. I’m currently procrastinating a short story I want to write next week. I’ know I’ll get to it eventually, but I’m enjoying the cool day (it was 42 degrees/ 107F yesterday) and the time off work.
BeanCat* August 24, 2019 at 9:07 am I’ve been working on a fanfic that’s made me very very happy recently because it’s a project I’m doing just for me. Unfortunately with my recovery I’ve been very tired, so the glow of Google docs and the hum of my laptop puts me to sleep every time. Haha!
Bibliovore* August 24, 2019 at 9:07 am Writing like a demon. The end is in sight for a peer-reviewed paper. Trying to remember to take off the editor cap and just right. Will revise tomorrow.
C Average* August 24, 2019 at 9:52 am Within 30 pages of finishing my novel! Lots of revision to do before it’s truly done, though. I have to have a working draft by September 15. I’m doing a manuscript boot camp with Pam Houston, whom I idolize, in November. No pressure.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 10:43 am I saw somewhere a post about how Terry Pratchett wrote 400 words a day. It went on to talk about how this information really helped the writer in question sit down and write and stop flagellating themself for failing to meet word count goals and the like. I’m not able to write right now because of the move, but I found the post to be very powerful.
Claire* August 25, 2019 at 2:14 pm This has been a couple weeks of up and down and up and….sideways. Comicon. Getting an invite to a panel is HUGE. I am so excited. I will be on a panel and will be doing a signing for the second Janet Watson book. Editor and I worked out yet another path for pirates#2. Which…this one will work. And the publisher has sold audio rights for both books in the series. So good! But then came a review from Publishers Weekly for pirates #1. So. Very. Harsh. This completely derailed me for several days. I’ve recovered myself finally and I’m forging ahead with the sequel. Life of the writer.
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 6:09 am I didn’t have a chance to thank those people who commented on my question about my brother’s marijuana use last week. I really appreciated everyone weighing in and giving me their experience with it and helping to reframe things for more. So thanks!
A.N. O'Nyme* August 24, 2019 at 6:09 am Gaming thread! What’s everyone been playing this week? I continued Child of Light (on chapter 7 right now) and I am now convinced a party member will end up betraying me (couldn’t act more suspicious if they tried). On PC, I’ve been enjoying some Divine Divinity. That feeling when your level is so low even your own character description snarks at you…
Deschain* August 24, 2019 at 7:26 am I’m playing Outward—so much sedate fun and a nice break from trying to 100% Sekiro. Finally got 100% on Dark Souls 2 last night. Finally! Sunlight medals were so tedious.
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 8:13 am I had to give up on Dark Souls 2 -was more angry and frustrated than entertained.
Deschain* August 24, 2019 at 8:42 am Me too! And I love 1 and 3. 2 was such a disappointment. But I was determined to not let it beat me. Must get all the trophies!
Watermelon M* August 24, 2019 at 8:36 am Don’t know if this counts, but I’ve been playing an iPhone game called Good Pizza, Great Pizza. It’s addicting. You run a pizza shop and make pizzas to order by trying to best guess what the customer means with their convoluted order (“Za za za!” Means three pepperonis I think?) and it’s such a cutely drawn game with a diverse cast.
BeanCat* August 24, 2019 at 8:45 am I’ve picked up Shovel Knight again because I’m a masochist. When that frustrates me I switch to Yoshi’s Crafted World. I’m beyond excited for Animal Crossing next year!
Myrin* August 24, 2019 at 10:22 am Ooooh, Shovel Knight is one of my all time faves! If I may ask, what is it that frustrates you about it? There are some jumps where you have to use a weird combination of techniques which I found infuriating but overall, I greatly enjoy it, so I’d love to hear other opinions.
BeanCat* August 24, 2019 at 7:30 pm I love Shovel Knight! The frustration comes when I’m not yet skilled enough to make a jump I need to and repeatedly lose my money. Hahaha! The big thing that I appreciate about Shovel Knight is it never feels “cheap”. Every mistake I make is mine and mine alone. And sometimes I get frustrated with myself and how I play, haha!
Myrin* August 25, 2019 at 2:51 pm Oh yeah, I know that frustration well! I don’t know how far into the game you are yet but *SPOILER if you haven’t reached the zeppelin yet* I’d definitely recommend getting the red armour; it’s made playing infinitely more enjoyable to me because at least now I’m not losing as much every time I fall into a pit.
BeanCat* August 25, 2019 at 7:21 pm Ahhhh, the red armor, my old friend! I’m very close to the end now and I’m determined to get there!
Raia* August 24, 2019 at 3:18 pm I CANNOT wait for animal crossing. In the meantime I’ve been playing Fire Emblem Three Houses, which is fun but a lot of strategizing sometimes.
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 9:15 am Has anyone played Okami? Possibly the most beautiful game I’ve ever played.
Mop* August 24, 2019 at 9:33 am Okami is very beautiful. I just recently played through again on Switch, and it still looks great.
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 9:50 am We played it on Wii originally, it’s now on our list for Switch. But first, Link’s Awakening – unfortunately, my wife called dibs on that one.
Watermelon M* August 24, 2019 at 8:13 pm Okami is amazing! I’ve bought it 3 times for 3 different systems.
Square Root Of Minus One* August 24, 2019 at 9:44 am I’m playing The Talos Principle on PS4, nearing the end. Really interesting and I love the whole concept but the stars make me crazy – I still have a dozen to pick up. I want to finish it all without help but that’s gonna be hard.
Nicki Name* August 24, 2019 at 10:39 am Still chugging through Sunless Skies. My first captain finally got killed (the fear gauge hit maximum and the crew went mad and destroyed the engine). The inheritance mechanic turns out to be MUCH more forgiving than in Sunless Sea. Still having fun!
T3k* August 24, 2019 at 12:06 pm Older game, but playing Fallout 4’s Nuka World DLC. Not really liking it though as it’s incredibly binary (join the raiders or kill them). Maybe the other DLCs will be better.
ButterflyHigh* August 24, 2019 at 12:07 pm I’ve been playing Fallout 4. I loved Oblivion and liked Skyrim, I thought I would enjoy fallout. However the science is so bad with it that it ruins my feel for the game. The characters have great storylines but when I come across bad science, it takes me out of the fantasy of the game. For instance, 200 years later and no environment? But finding lots of canned goods from 200 years ago??? And then using a part of a brain to get access to memories when brain matter is like pudding and would never survive in a pocket?? I’ll still probably finish it.
Square Root Of Minus One* August 25, 2019 at 5:45 am Funny, I thought that about Skyrim. Some caves have been deserted for millennia and still contain edible food and useful alchemy ingredients stored on shelves. I know it’s cold but not like that :)
ButterflyHigh* August 25, 2019 at 8:10 am I don’t recall finding food in places that didn’t have living people. Alchemy ingredients didn’t bother me as much because dry and cold things can last a long time.
Valancy Snaith* August 24, 2019 at 2:36 pm I don’t game at all, but my husband does, and I was so excited to see you mention Child of Light because it has the most FANTASTIC music. I loved it when he was playing it because it’s so excellent to listen to. We saw the artist in concert last winter, and although she was playing her own stuff, she played a couple pieces from Child of Light and it was just really really great all around.
Gatomon* August 24, 2019 at 4:13 pm I’m trying to get back in to Breath of the Wild after taking a summer hiatus due to stress of moving/work*. Just freed my second Divine Beast (Vah Naboris) and I think my last save has me at a shrine in the Gerudo desert. I’m trying to find some info on the “8th Heroine” so I can get those sand boots from the creepy guy. I am also working on my Cities:Skylines skills while listening to podcasts. I just picked up the Parklife DLC on a sale, so I’m trying to figure out how to build good parks for my cims. And continually working on my ability to manage traffic… I’ve decided to embrace the grid in my cities and eschew more modern road designs. They may be more “beautiful,” but they are hard to navigate and cause horrible congestion. I’m finding there’s something very pleasing and lovely about massive grid-based cities though. *I have a terrible issue with finishing games that are more than ~20 hours long, the initial newness/excitement wears off, I get stuck somewhere or something comes up that derails my gaming for a few days, and then I’m done. So I’m working hard on committing to finishing games that are worth finishing.
Lonely Aussie* August 24, 2019 at 7:03 pm Beeeees. Minecraft is adding bees in 1.15 and they are just the cutest things. Cam completely out of no where and I’m so excited.
Becky* August 25, 2019 at 4:32 am I randomly decided yesterday to play Portal–I haven’t played it in years but I really do love it. I think I might re-play Portal 2 as well…
Depressed* August 24, 2019 at 6:12 am I am depressed. I’m on meds and I’m seeing a psychologist. But they aren’t instant fixes so I have my bad days. I feel like there is no hope of things becoming better. Is there anything I can do to shake myself out of this?
Taking The Long Way Round* August 24, 2019 at 6:16 am If you can get outside for a short walk that’ll help. Try to eat a balanced meal, if you can. Drink some water. Sounds like you’re trying to be kind on yourself – keep doing that. If you have a friend you can call, do that too. Not to vent, just to chat about stuff you’d chat about if you were meeting for coffee.
Arts Akimbo* August 25, 2019 at 3:51 pm The thing that’s doing a number on my depression right now is that it is way, way, WAY too hot to walk outside right now. Like for days it has been insanely hot even at 8 in the morning! The other day I walked for 30 lousy minutes on a relatively flat terrain and I felt like my head was going to explode. I am resigning myself to being depressed for the month of August. All hail September?
Fran* August 24, 2019 at 6:22 am You are doing what you need to do. Try to treat yourself with something you like whether it is a piece of chocolate or baking or read a comfort book. Exercise always helps to feel better if you can manage it. Yoga with Adriene is nice and fun and doesn’t take herself seriously. She has many short videos with titles: yoga for backpain, yoga for when you are feeling low, depressed etc.
DaleZan* August 24, 2019 at 7:12 am Blergh, I feel you. You are doing such good things already! The long term stuff and that is massive. Here are some very-short-term-things that sometimes work for me: – I listen to a podcast that is super cheerful and bouncy and fun. I put it on as soon as I wake up, and it helps drag me to get out of bed, feed the cats, sometimes even shower. – eating a lot more fruit instead of letting myself crawl into my pasta-depression-pit. – giving myself an actual break from social media and news. Less abject dread, after a couple days of break. Best of luck! I hope you start having fewer bad days very soon.
DaleZan* August 26, 2019 at 4:24 am Punch Up The Jam! It’s two comedians who listen to a popular song (Come On Eileen, Pony, etc), talk about the ridiculous lyrics or the terrible structure, and at the end they make their own version. It’s very silly and frequently inappropriate, so YMMV.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 7:19 am It takes time. Keep an eye on your symptoms – some pills can make things worse for some people, so if you get worse or get bad side effects you might need to change pills. And all of them take a while to work. About alcohol and other mood altering substance until the pills are well established, and cut down if you can’t avoid altogether (eg caffeine which is in a lot more things than you would think). Exercise any time you feel up to it, when just a small bit will help. Practice sleep hygiene. Delete your news apps and try to avoid news / politics altogether. Stop following any bloggers / comment boards / social media friends who tend to post things that upset or anger you (even if you agree with them). You can always go back when you’re better. Try to minimize pressure on yourself as much as possible. Good luck. This too shall pass.
Mid* August 24, 2019 at 9:49 am When my depression gets really bad, I remind myself that “this too shall pass.” I’ve been depressed before, and I’ve made it through, and I’ll do it again. If possible, try not to isolate yourself. If you have a friend that’s willing to just hang out around your apartment and not expect any interaction/entertainment, that’s the best. My best friend would sometimes come over and just sit on the couch with me, sometimes she’d help me clean up or food prep, but mostly she’d just sit and watch Netflix with me, or do her schoolwork while I stared at a wall. And I’ve done the same for her when she has bad mental health episodes. You can also try just calling a friend for a chat. You don’t have to even really respond, just let them chatter at you. I always felt better after human interactions. Avoid sad news, at least for a while. I made it so Friday was my News Day and the rest of the week I didn’t pay attention. Like others said, try to maintain a semi-healthy diet. I buy fruit cups and apple sauce packets (the ones meant for children) so I can easily have a snack but it’s better than just eating chips all the time. If possible, get outside for a little bit every day. I made sure I went outside to check my mail everyday, even Sundays when I knew there wasn’t mail, because it got my blood moving and some sun on my skin. Often I’d end up sitting outside for an hour or so, just soaking in the sun. Even better is if you can exercise a little bit, but I know that can seem daunting. Routines are super important to me, because it makes it easier to keep functioning when I don’t want to exist anymore, and also serves as a flag—if I stop my routines, I’m probably starting a depressive episode and should take extra notice of my thoughts and behaviors. Nothing super fancy, just wake up at roughly the same time each day, make my bed, get my coffee, make my breakfast, check my phone for 15 minutes, get dressed. I’m adding in daily exercise now that I’m healthy enough for it. At night it’s pick out my outfit for the morning, pack my lunch, read a book for at least 15 minutes, journal for 10 minutes, then bed. When I stop doing these things for more than a day or two, it’s time for me to do a self check on my symptoms. Sometimes it’s just because I was extra busy one week or had company that disrupted my schedule, but it’s also often an indication that I’m starting a depressive episode. Finally, I suggest some sort of creative outlet. Coloring books, knitting, writing, painting, whatever tickles your fancy. I’m a terrible painter but I still enjoy it. And I force myself to do it at least once a week. When I’m depressed, it’s often really stupid, angsty teen looking stuff with lots of black paint, but that’s okay. I often feel like I have no creativity left in my brain, but then I start painting. Often I have no idea what I’m going to actually make. I just make myself make marks on the canvas for an hour. Congratulations on taking the steps you have!! You’re doing amazing. I’ve found a lot of dealing with depression is just time. It takes time for the meds to work and for the habits to change. But, some day, you’ll look back and see how much growth and progress you’ve made. And you’re starting that now.
Snarflepants* August 24, 2019 at 10:10 am Things will get easier. Try to be gentle with yourself and accept that you’re trying to heal while being depressed. Make sure you are tending to your biologicals: Food, water, sleep, exercise, medication, and sunshine. Do something that might be relaxing or possibly fun every day. If that’s too much, just leave the house for ten minutes and look for a magpie. Talk to people. You probably won’t WANT to do anything (that’s a major symptom of depression right there). But do it anyway. Things will get better. I’ve never found that I could shake off my depression. But I have found that I can do small manageable things to help myself get out of it.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 10:47 am I have a few things that I call ‘temporary cures for depression’. Not all of them are… great. 1.) Having some Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. 2.) Watching the butterflies that are really attracted to this one flowering bush I have. (If I check and there aren’t any there I get sad. 3.) Call my mom just to listen to her voice. 3.) Journal. 4.) Snuggle my dog. 5.) Take a nap or meditate. 6.) Play video games. Usually for a very significant amount of time. 7.) Just general try to distract myself with media. It can be really hard to get absorbed into things. 8.) Mindfully drink hot tea.
LGC* August 24, 2019 at 2:25 pm Oh man, I’m so sorry! One thing is – it sounds like you might have just started treatment. (I’m guessing that from you mentioning your therapist and your meds aren’t “instant fixes.”) It’ll take a few weeks to notice changes – I think somewhere between 2 and 6, on average? Be kind to yourself during this period, but treatment just takes time to begin with. Do you have a routine for when you have severe episodes of depression, though? That might help you feel a little bit better. You might not be able to stop the tsunami of despair, but you can at least put the house on stilts and devise an evacuation plan.
Dancing Otter* August 24, 2019 at 3:22 pm Yes, yes, yes to those who have recommended sunlight and fresh air. Even an open window can help. Think about the light levels in your home. It’s not great for anyone’s mental state to spend a lot of time in dim light. If you are physically able to walk, do it. Maybe just a circuit of the parking lot at lunchtime, or even parking at the far end of the lot. If you have mobility issues, try to at least go sit outside for a while during daylight.
Fikly* August 24, 2019 at 6:28 pm Understand that depression means your brain is lying to you. When you feel like there is no hope of things getting better, that is the depression lying through your brain.
mindovermoneychick* August 24, 2019 at 11:48 pm Things that have worked with me: 1. If you have any friends with cute little kids who like you, see if you can spend time with them. I once had a complete turn around on a terrible day thanks to a friend’s 6, 5 and 3 year old kids who were excited to see me. And I had totally not wanted to go out that day because I was depressed. 2. Walks in pretty areas. This helps me a lot when my depression is mild and takes the edge off when it’s more significant. 3. Work out hard if you are into working out. Like go for 45 minutes and try to spend 20 minutes of that time in the vigorous zone. That can really change things up for me. 4. Call and connect with old friends or whoever are your most meaningful relationships; as other have said, try not to isolate even when you want to. 5. Someone else said confort reading. When nothing else works that’s and napping are good escapes for me. they don’t fix it but they make it easier to wait it out.
Sad for my kid* August 24, 2019 at 6:47 am Whenever I try and make plans to take my kid out he wants a friend to come with us. I message the parents and it never bloody happens. There’s one friend he has where the mum has said to me that we are part of their “friend family” but she complains when I make plans “too early”, she’s always got plans if I leave it to nearer the time, and she never makes plans with us. I would have given up months ago if it wasn’t for my son asking for them every. Single. Time. I got him to join Cubs (in the UK) after a lot of persuasion and although he enjoys it it’s attached to his school so he hasn’t extended his social circle from it. He suffers from anxiety, I’m trying to get him help but it’s a long process and far from certain that I’ll get it. The one time a friend did come round she told me he’s the second quietest person in the class. He’s had help in school and is better than he used to be, believe it or not. I’m mainly just venting but I’ll try and be open to any advice and not just dismiss it out of hand (I’m a bit overwhelmed with this at the mo). FWIW when he’s with his father he does spend time with the kids of dad’s fiance and dad’s best friend so he does get some company.
Sad for my kid* August 24, 2019 at 6:48 am (he’s too young to arrange these things directly. In a few years hopefully)
Batgirl* August 24, 2019 at 7:21 am What about some no-plan plans? Instead of making a specific occasion, invite the friend over for dinner either tonight or any upcoming night, leaving the schedule open. If the answer to ‘when are you free for dinner’ is ‘never’ then you have your answer. My sister finds that offering sleepovers helps because busy parents she can’t pin down really grab at the opportunity for free childcare. What about inviting the cubs over for a back garden camp out?
Imtheone* August 24, 2019 at 7:46 am I feel for you. My son was ready to play with someone every day after school and both weekend days, but in early elementary school, the other children were often too tired after school and the families were taken up with other activities. Cub scouts is a great idea, and the structured nature of Scouting is helpful for quieter children. I don’t know if any of these ideas would work for you in your area: regular visits to parks/play grounds, libraries (here, they often have activities for various aged children), classes like swimming at a local YMCA-type place, Sunday school. My friend’s quiet and non-athletic son took a weekend art class and loved it, starting quite young. If you can arrange a regular weekend activity with other children, that might help your son get some of the time with other children that he wants, without depending on your schedule and that of another family meshing. I realize that these things might be complicated to arrange if your co-parenting arrangement means having your son with you every other weekend.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 7:51 am I’m sorry. I was an unpopular kid and it sucks. How are his social skills? I had very poor social skills as a kid which is why I had very few friends. There are some kids shows nowadays that teach social skills, and a lot of online advice too. Sometimes it’s just something really small that seems so obvious to other people but when you struggle with it you can’t figure out what you are doing wrong. like when other kids are playing I didn’t realize you have to watch for a little to figure out the game, then figure out a way to join in what they are already doing, rather than just barging in without knowing what they are playing. I was an extrovert with bad social skills, so my example probably doesn’t apply to your kid, but perhaps there are other simple social skills your kid is missing out on. If he’s old enough for Cubs he’s probably old enough for other things. Sometimes mixed age groups are easier as kids who have trouble mixing with their own age might get on better with either older or younger kids.
The New Wanderer* August 24, 2019 at 11:18 am My daughter (elem school age) has had similar issues (anxiety, not many friends) and it’s hard. She’s gone through a few short periods of having several friends to spend time with, and then within a week had fallen out with them. She’s not quiet and it’s her mouth and attitude that gets her in trouble, but she does NOT want to talk about anything being her fault, it’s always that the other kids are excessively, openly mean to her (this has rarely been the case). It was tough because she would still ask me to text their parents about playdates, and I would get the tactful “Child has other plans that day, sorry!” I stopped trying to gently discourage her from wanting to spend time with this friend or that, when I saw the pattern of rejection. I just stuck with each episode as it happened – “I texted Sara’s dad and unfortunately she’s busy this weekend.” Eventually she does seem to make up with the others, and then things are better for a while. It’s just hard. I don’t have any really good advice. I take daughter out for special ‘girls’ night’ dinners every few weeks and support her efforts to make friends when possible, and she’s involved in several non-school programs so she has a decent mix of down time and planned activities.
WooHoo!* August 24, 2019 at 3:39 pm My daughter was a lot like that. I refused to let her blame the other kids when it was her own attitude and mouth messing things up. We talked a lot about how she could have handled things differently AND how the friends could have handled things. She slowly started being able to see both sides of the problem and could keep her attitude in check. A lot of it was that she needed time alone to decompress and instead of knowing it, she’d get pissy with her friends. Please dont avoid this, if you can work on it now, it will save her a ton of drama as she gets older and even as an adult. I married someone that refuses to ever accept he is at fault and he has no friends because of it.
Sad for my kid* August 25, 2019 at 5:29 am Thanks for all the comments. The kids aren’t the problem, fwiw – there’s one kid in particular in his class that asked me every time I saw him for months when he could come and play, but his parents have his every evening booked up with stuff. The family I mentioned, the kids LOVE him and he loves them, but the mum just won’t arrange stuff. I wonder if it’s me, I hope it’s not. Maybe people think divorce is catching? From reading the comments I’ve remembered that I haven’t tried to arrange anything with a couple of my friends whose kids he gets on well with so I’ll try and sort that out. And after we went out yesterday my sister met us for ice cream which he was really excited about (she lives close but we never see her). He plays Pokémon trading cards and I’ll prioritise getting there more often. And I’ll try and sort out swimming lessons. All the comments helped me think through other stuff that could help. Much appreciated.
Nana* August 25, 2019 at 8:51 pm Sorry to say, but it might be the Divorce. I know my kids lost friends because of that (one child’s grandparent told the mother that she should NEVER allow her girl to play with a child of divorce — and I did allow myself a bit of a giggle when that well-raised girl got a facial tattoo ten years later).
Sad for my kid* August 26, 2019 at 8:11 am Honestly, that is bloody horrible, but at least it would be a reason. Sometimes people suck :(
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 7:03 am My brother’s girlfriend, whom I have never met and or spoken to yet (they’ve been dating three months, I think), added herself to my Netflix account last week. I clicked onto it to watch Star Trek (as you do) and found this extra account with a name I didn’t recognise just happily idling there. It took a long time for me to realise who Camilla was (obviously not her really name) and when I figured out that it was his girlfriend I didn’t know whether to laugh or get annoyed. I chose laughter in the end and just changed the password, but it was a bit cheeky in my opinion. I messaged my brother to tell him that I couldn’t have five people on the account (me, him, my parents) because I’d never get to watch anything, and he apologised since it turned out that she had done it just apropos of nothing, but it just struck me as a really weird thing to do. We’ve never talked. I don’t have any social media so we’re not connected there. She knows it’s my account because of my email, but she adds herself anyway. Has anyone else experienced something like this? I’d appreciate sharing gumption-like attempts to get free things.
The Other Dawn* August 24, 2019 at 7:06 am I haven’t; however, I agree it took some nerve for her to do that. It’s definitely weird.
Femme d'Afrique* August 24, 2019 at 7:28 am Woah, wait a minute! Can someone really just add themselves to someone else’s Netflix? How does that work?
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 7:54 am Yeah, right?! I was totally taken aback as well because I thought only the account holder could do it, but I think if you go through the main account then you can access it. I don’t know, but it really troubled me that aspect of it.
jDC* August 24, 2019 at 2:02 pm I just opened Netflix in my TV. Add account comes up with no Email shown or anything. I’d be annoyed but she likely thought it was her boyfriends if it was in a tv. But I also pay for my own Netflix like a normal human.
Gatomon* August 24, 2019 at 4:15 pm Yeah, this is most likely it. You can do it on a device that’s already been authorized on the account.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 8:16 am It sounds like OP had allowed her brother and parents to use her password and set up their own profiles. So if the girlfriend was watching with the brother she would have known the username and password. It sounds like username was op’s email address which was her name, so it would be obvious it wasn’t brother who was the main account holder. So even though brother probably gave girlfriend permission to use his profile, it was very cheeky of her to set up her own profile without asking the account holder.
Washi* August 24, 2019 at 8:44 am It seems like the real problem is the brother sharing the password. Because if the issue is having too many people on the account and Foreign Octopus never getting a turn (I’m assuming it’s a single-screen account) then it doesn’t matter if Camilla is watching from the brother’s profile or from her own, she’s still an extra person taking up time on the account. Honestly, this seems like it’s more on your brother – he shouldn’t be giving out the password without your permission.
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 9:21 am I checked what plan I’m on and I’ve got a two-screen plan so I can watch it and someone else can watch it at the same time. I did used to have five people on the account but I got so frustrated with never being able to watch anything in the evening that I ended up kicking someone off. I know I should probably cut the cord here to everyone but my parents (Dad shares his Amazon Prime with me so it’s an equitable trade) but he doesn’t have a lot of spare cash and it’s an easy thing to share with him. I think he now realises that he needs to check with me first.
The New Wanderer* August 24, 2019 at 11:20 am Pro-tip, if you are watching something you can download and watch offline, this allows you to watch your downloaded shows (in Airplane mode) if other people are already streaming. :-)
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 7:55 am I deleted it straight away, changed the password, and sent an email to my brother saying not cool.
Anona* August 24, 2019 at 7:39 am Wouldn’t she only be able to add herself if your brother shared your password, or it was on his device? I think this is more a problem with him than with her. He probably either offered, or she asked and he agreed. I don’t think it’s weird of her, since it’s pretty common to share, bit he should have totally asked.
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 7:57 am I think it’s a problem with both of them, tbh. He probably did share it with her so that she could log on and watch through his account, but then she made her own account whilst she was there. It’s definitely common to share, but it’s definitely weird for her to have added herself to my account (and it very clearly is mine) without so much as a howdy-doodee.
Anona* August 24, 2019 at 8:02 am Eh, if she asked him, and he said it was cool, how would she know you wouldn’t be ok with it?
Asenath* August 24, 2019 at 8:20 am Because you usually ask the owner of something if you can use it, not someone who merely shares it?
Zoey* August 24, 2019 at 8:31 am Def this! It wasn’t his thing to share. If he said ‘the OP is fine with you creating the account’ to the girlfriend then he’s the annoying one. But it still seems off to create an account when you don’t know the owner. Not a red flag but a data point that may skew my perception of her if I were the OP
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 9:17 am Honestly, I’m just going to try and push it from my mind after I’ve had a nice old complain about it on here this weekend. She seems nice enough from the things I’ve heard about her, but my brother doesn’t have the best track record in dating women so I doubt this is a relationship for the long term (three months in and they’re engaged, had one pregnancy scare, and three screaming arguments that have caused their breakups to be splayed across social media that I hear about from my other brother). If I ever meet her, I won’t hold it against her, but it was just a weird little thing that I wanted to share.
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 9:19 am I agree with Asenath below. It’s polite to ask the owner of the thing to use it, even if it is just a quick double check like “hey, boyfriend said it’s okay, but are you cool with it?” sort of thing.
Anona* August 24, 2019 at 7:58 am And full disclosure, our old roommate once shared his girlfriend’s parents’ HBO login with us. I’m sure he didn’t ask them! We used it for a long time, knowing the gravy train would eventually end.
Femme d'Afrique* August 24, 2019 at 8:45 am I think it’s VERY weird to add yourself to the account of someone you’ve never even met!!
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 24, 2019 at 8:13 am I kicked a dear friend off my Netflix account for logging into a third party service with it so she could stream it to a group of her friends (an online group, not all together in the same place). I didn’t authorize that and I have no idea how secure a service like that is, especially when the notice I got from Netflix was that someone had logged into my account in a different country. She also has been in the process of buying a car from me/my parents, making payments. A couple months ago, after a rainstorm, I got “did your parents ever say anything about the door on the car leaking?” I was like “… well, no, but since you’ve been driving the car for two years and this is the first time YOU have mentioned it either, that kinda sounds like a new your problem to me.” She kinda hinted around about it being maybe expensive to fix for a while, in a very “maybe you should offer to fix it for me anyway” fashion :-P sorry, chickpea, the lien holder is not the one responsible for your car maintenance.
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 9:22 am Omg, that thing with the car. That’s so frustrating. There’s a weird sort of entitlement that comes from purchasing things from friends. It reminds me of that bit from Friends when Joey’s fridge breaks down and he tries to find a way to get the others to pay for it.
Happy Lurker* August 25, 2019 at 9:22 pm My college age child changes his IP address to foreign countries so that he can watch different programs. Especially, the Grand Tour as it comes out earlier in our day in the UK. Made me laugh when I called him in a panic to ask what I should do about someone from Hungary accessing our Netflix.
Square Root Of Minus One* August 24, 2019 at 10:15 am I was actually on the opposite end of this somewhere last year. My boyfriend has a friend he considers his adoptive sister. He met her on an Internet forum and has known her for a few years ; however, she and I were at best acquaintances to each other. My boyfriend is on her Netflix account and insisted she was fine with me getting on it as well. He brought it up unprompted and unsolicited several times in the same week (seriously, we weren’t talking about anything even remotely related to Netflix), and couldn’t fathom that I didn’t want to. I set up my own account later on my own terms Glad I did that because since then I’ve come to the conclusion I’m really not fond of her. She rubs me the wrong way and I believe she’s a phony. I don’t want anything tying me to her. Still not sure what that was all about.
Glomarization, Esq.* August 24, 2019 at 10:20 am Ha, we (2-person household) share our Netflix account with my adult child, who lives on the other side of the country. We logged in one time and found that we couldn’t watch anything because Adult Child had shared the password with a roommate, who was watching on another device in their house, so we’d hit the limit of simultaneous viewers allowed on the account. It had occurred to us that this might happen, and I suspect that Adult Child didn’t actually know about the limit, so I said, “Look, we’re doing you a favor here, letting you use our Netflix account that we pay for. But it’s a favor for you, not for you and your entire house. If we ever log into it again and find that we can’t watch something because it’s at the limit? We’re changing the password and you can get your own account.” It was way, way more funny than troubling. Even if it hadn’t been an honest mistake, I think I’d be happy to put it down as “Adult Child is generous with housemates,” not “Adult Child is a thieving thief with thieving housemates.” In any event, we haven’t had a recurrence!
FuzzFrogs* August 24, 2019 at 11:20 am We had a version of this this week! The long story short is that our niece decided she needed her own Netflix login (without child controls, natch) and deleted my husband’s dad off the account in the process. (I could get into the drama but in short, to be fair, she didn’t actually know it was an account that was in use. She did, however, know that she wasn’t supposed to have her own account without age restrictions…) This isn’t the first time my niece and nephew have exploited the accounts my husband shares with his family–nephew once decided he could buy whatever he wanted on Amazon with his parents’ money, which backfired when he accidentally sent us a few of the fidget spinners. It’s behavior that’s understandable out of children. Less acceptable from new girlfriends who should probably not be given thirdhand access to your Netflix account.
FuzzFrogs* August 24, 2019 at 11:22 am Clarification: the “should probably not” applies to your brother, who was way too trusting with information that isn’t his. And girlfriend, who could have taken advantage of the Netflix while still maintaining appropriate boundaries.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 3:40 pm I once became chatty acquaintances with another mom waiting to walk our kids home from school. We hit it off and after a few weeks made arrangements to meet up with the kids for a playdate. Relevant detail: one of the things we chatted about was both being adult-diagnosed with AdHD As I’m leaving the house to go meet her, she texts me asking me to bring my Adderall, because she needs some. Uh…wtf? You want me to hand off my meds, which a) I need for myself, and b) Is a highly-controlled, easily-abused, widely black-marketed prescription? Yeah, no. I told her I wasn’t comfortable with that. We still had the meetup, but she was noticeably less warm and charming. And she never, ever called me or stopped to speak to me individually again.
MsChanandlerBong* August 25, 2019 at 12:24 am That is mind-blowing. I am afraid to speak up and ask for things to which I am CLEARLY entitled (I’m not one to make waves), yet there are people out there who are totally fine asking someone who is practically a stranger to give away their medication. I need to take confidence lessons from these people.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 1:40 pm No, please don’t. I mean, maybe just enough to meet in the middle. But the world already has more than enough obnoxious entitled people.
The Other Dawn* August 24, 2019 at 7:05 am The home gym is ALMOST complete. My husband installed the mini split heat/AC unit this week and it works! It’s 18,000 BTUs so I’m covered. I’m so impressed he can do these things. There seems to be no project or repair he can’t do, which is usually a great money-saver. Not always a time-saver, though. This weekend hope to get it cleaned up in there. Get his tools out, get all the wrappers and cardboard out. I want to hang my mirrors, but I’m not sure I can do that myself (he’s camping this weekend). I may touch up the paint and put together my storage racks instead. I’m thinking of trying to return the bench I got with the functional trainer. It has a leg curl/developer attachment and it makes the bench too heavy for me to move around (back problems) when I want to use the Smith bar without it. I can take the attachment off, but then I need to find a place to store it. My husband claims he will use the leg attachment (he doesn’t even exercise AT ALL yet), but I really don’t want to hang onto it. I’d rather get a lighter, cheaper flat/incline utility bench that’s easier to move. So, almost done. Hopefully I can post a picture next weekend.
Trixie* August 24, 2019 at 12:53 pm Can’t wait to see photo! I would skip the leg attachment and modify the same movements with a freeweight between feet. I am considering a bench as well, something light enough for easy pickup/move. Anything adjustable looks like quick change in price.
jDC* August 24, 2019 at 7:17 pm So jealous. I want a treadmill so bad. No room for it and even so I’ve been looking for a used one but around here (small town) not a lot out there and the ones that are they want almost full price. No. It’s used.
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 9:42 pm Looking forward to seeing that picture! And I’m all for things that aren’t too heavy to move around. You have my vote. If he comes and starts working out regularly, you can revisit upgrading then.
Goose Lavel* August 24, 2019 at 7:11 am After posting in last week’s open thread about my wife’s undiagnosed medical conditions, I was looking into medical errors and was surprised to find that medical errors kill about 350,000 to 400,000 each year in the US and a majority of them occur the hospital. It is the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer and is entirely preventable. It gets very little media attention, especially when you consider how utterly needless these deaths are. I’m sure that many more people are hurt by these errors, some with permanent, life long injuries and illneeses, that go unreported. I am outraged that this is happening and I think our medical institutions should focus more effort to eliminate these needless deaths. Is more technology the answer? Better training? Better rested health care providers? Have medical errors happened to you or taken the life of someone you know? Are you not outraged as well? What is the answer? How can we demand change?
The Other Dawn* August 24, 2019 at 7:32 am My mother’s cousin went to a doctor within their small town and he didn’t catch her colon cancer. All the early signs were there, but he didn’t send her for any testing. I think it was something like six months later, her symptoms worsened and she knew something was wrong. She went to the large hospital they have up there, which is a really great hospital, and they diagnosed her with colon cancer. She had to get a colostomy bag. Unfortunately it was too late by then and the cancer came back and then metastasized. It was roughly a year and a half from the time she first saw the small-town doctor to when she passed away.
Slartibartfast* August 24, 2019 at 7:55 am Mistakes happen most often when you are rushed. We’re dealing with humans, so zero error may be impossible. I recently switched careers and have been a medical assistant now, and I can only speak for my agency specifically, but there are things that can be done. Managing the work load is essential to safety. All injections are verified by another staff member before giving it to the patient. Mandatory “time out” between prepping for and performing surgery in a non emergency. And this is a big one-promoting a culture of “if you see something say something”. They’re also making things digital as much as possible, matching patients to charts and lab work by barcode instead of manual data entry so you don’t mix up patients with the same name, if there are two similar named on the same day’s schedule they’re bold and italicized. This problem might not be well known to the public but it is known in the industry. For me personally, I think it’s important we maintain patient freedom of choice on what doctors and hospitals we can go to. Competition drives change.
Perse's Mom* August 25, 2019 at 5:12 pm Rushing even on the non-emergency side of things. I set up an appt with my new primary care doctor and the appt times that were listed off were in increments of 15 min! That doesn’t seem like enough time to get my medical history asked and answered much less do an actual exam and discuss my various concerns.
Kali* August 24, 2019 at 8:11 am I wonder if part of the reason for not reporting it more is that some politicians would blame the doctors, when I suspect the fault lies more with lack of resources and unreasonable expectations. I’m British though, so our medical system is quite different.
Asenath* August 24, 2019 at 8:31 am Mistakes are inevitable. Some things make them more common, and some of those things can be improved, which will reduce the number of mistakes, but never reduce them to zero. Sure, better training, health care providers who are rested and well themselves (and no one is all the time) and easy access to health care will all help. But there are still going to be cases where doctors do the best they can, and get it wrong. Maybe they start looking for the more common causes first, and by the time they re-think it it’s too late. Maybe it’s one of those difficult to diagnose things that gets you sent from office to office because no one can figure it out at first, and a lot of doctors get it wrong. And what to do about it? Every place I know of has well-publicized methods of reporting misconduct or incompetence. Some places investigate and punish (sometimes privately); some take the air safety people’s approach and look at the individual and also the problems in the situation that contributed (staffing levels in the hospital, access to and quality of testing and so on) and try to ensure that mistake doesn’t happen again. I know of two people whose deaths were hastened by delayed treatment – back pain caused by metastatic breast cancer and a heart attack mistaken for pneumonia. In both cases, the patients were young – mid 20s to 30s – and the doctors checked out more likely causes first. Both of them died.
Dan* August 24, 2019 at 12:50 pm Re: Your last couple of sentences. I work in data analytics for a living, and sometimes build predictive models for certain things. I wrote elsewhere on this thread that human error is a large (if not leading) contributor to fatalities in my field. But there’s a paradox of sorts. One problem with rare events and predictive modeling is just that: It’s really hard to suss out “signal” from a lot of noisy data. In these cases you talked about, if we shifted everything over to a data model, the model would tell the doctor to do the same thing… early 20’s complaining of chest pain? Heart attack isn’t going to be first thing on the list. The other thing with these models is that they typically require lots of data and only really model well things that happen a lot. So we still need a human to make a decision when the data just isn’t there or otherwise know when the models don’t apply.
Asenath* August 24, 2019 at 6:40 pm That’s very true. It’s hard when it happens to someone you know – a young man dies of chest problems that turn out to be a heart attack? A young woman’s back pain – a very common ailment – wasn’t muscle pain at all? But diagnosis isn’t easy, and it’s really hard with the outliers and rare conditions.
nonegiven* August 25, 2019 at 9:21 pm Isn’t there a simple blood test that can be done to rule out heart attack? Shouldn’t they at least do that?
Asenath* August 26, 2019 at 6:11 am I don’t know how one determines whether something is a heart attack – in any case I knew of where one was suspected, several tests were done. The way I heard the story about the young man – which I heard from his widow – the medical staff didn’t initially suspect heart problems, probably because he was so young. He was admitted for tests for chest problems, described by the medical staff as possible pneumonia, and died shortly after admission from a heart attack.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 8:35 am If you think that’s bad look up sepsis deaths and deaths from superbugs, and then realise that the vast majority of those deaths could be prevented simply by hospital staff and visitors following existing handwashing and other simple procedures! And lots of cancer and heart disease deaths could be prevented by banning all smoking outright. And road deaths could be prevented by people not drink driving and speeding. And the majority of home accidents, drowning and a large number of gun deaths could be prevented by basic safety in the home eg locking gates to stop little kids falling into a swimming pool. And lots of farming deaths could be prevented by pretty basic safety too. Many deaths are easily preventable. That’s why people aren’t outraged by this specific category of death. Generally people only get outraged by intentional killing, not by killing through mistakes.
MaxiesMommy* August 24, 2019 at 7:03 pm There’s also a bias in the ER against overweight patients. My daughter’s SIL had a colonoscopy, never felt right afterwards. Went to the ER twice, they thought she was an opioid-seeker—no tests other than a urinalysis. On her way out of the ER 2nd time she passed out from the pain. Colonoscopy gone wrong, punctured bowel, tests show she’s madly septic. Hospitalized, surgery, all too late. If you’re fat and female, your complaints are dismissed.
Perse's Mom* August 25, 2019 at 5:16 pm Women in general, yes – but certainly as someone quite fluffy and picking a new primary doc, I was tempted to ask if the person setting up appts had any idea how the doc in question feels about fat people. I’m not always comfortable in my own skin, the last thing I need is a doctor who treats me like I’m not even human.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 8:05 pm C-dif. My aunt went in the hospital because she fell and broke a bone. She picked up c-dif and that was the end of her road. She never came out of the hospital. Road deaths: I’d like to add cell phone usage or any other electronic device. If you have an electronic device in your hand in NYS that is a ticket. People try to say they weren’t using it. Whoops, they just admitted it was indeed in their hand which stands alone as a violation of the law. Cell phone deaths are going up and up. Yet every where I go, most people are on their cells and driving.
Rebecca* August 24, 2019 at 8:43 am In 2007, my sister in law appeared to start to put on weight. Background, she was almost 60, had done no preventative care like PAP smears, colonoscopy, mammograms, nothing, she just didn’t go. But – she started to gain weight, and the doctor of course said “eat less, exercise, diet, etc.” If he suggested any diagnostic testing, I never heard about it. In summer 2008, she looked pregnant, the hair had fallen out of her legs, and her legs were retaining fluid. Doctor said congestive heart failure, started treating for that. By Thanksgiving, she couldn’t breathe, and was in the hospital, so the doctor said she had asthma along with congestive heart failure. At Christmas, she was so weak, her family took her to another hospital. They drained several gallons of fluid from her abdomen, it was filled with cancer cells, and on New Year’s Day 2009, she died, after a pretty gruesome end that I won’t type here because it was awful. I don’t know if she had colon cancer that metastasized, or uterine/ovarian cancer that metastasized, but it was cancer, she had it for a while, but her family wouldn’t allow an autopsy. This isn’t the only case like this I’ve heard about with this doctor. In fact, this same doctor was my mother’s primary care physician for years, even though I begged her to find someone else for this very reason.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 12:47 am I am so sorry. This should not have happened. Abdominal fat looks and feels very different from abdominal fluid.
Scandinavian in Scandinavia* August 24, 2019 at 8:55 am I honestly don’t think it’s that strange, considering the harrowing work conditions of medical staff in many places. 24-hour shifts or longer with little sleep, having to make decisions with great consequences fast and on the basis of sometimes conflicting information – I am impressed that it often goes so well. There are many great non-fiction books by doctors – I thoroughly enjoyed “This is going to hurt” by Adam Kay, which gives a UK perspective and manages to be both hilarious and deeply touching. I definitely want change – but I also am deeply grateful that I live in a time where so many things are possible in medicine. My grandfather died in the late thirties from pneumonia; ten years later, he could have been saved by penicillin. Had I not lived in a welfare system at the time that I do, I would not get help for depression. Remembering that makes it easier to live with what does not work well today.
Koala dreams* August 24, 2019 at 4:55 pm I also think working conditions for the healthcare employees is the most important thing right now. There are quite a lot of health care professionals on all levels trying to get attention to health care errors, both through the overseeing agencies and through media. However it’s hard to make improvements when you are tired, don’t have the right resources, don’t feel supported by management and so on.
Rebecca* August 24, 2019 at 8:55 am And yes, I am outraged. We can demand change, but the bottom line is, I don’t think there are enough health care providers for the sheer number of people who need care. Then there’s the insurance end of it – so many people have plans with large deductibles, so if they can put off expensive testing, they will, because by the time they pay the premiums and all their other monthly bills, they can’t come up with another $6K to pay toward their deductible. I think it’s quite the mess.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 9:06 am Yep, my grandmother died as the result of a surgical error for a routine surgery. I think more technology, better training, more accountability, and better rest are all part of the solution for sure.
Victoria, Please* August 24, 2019 at 9:21 am I’m pretty sure my father died prematurely due to being sent home from the ER with a diagnosis of “eh, nothing” and it turned out to be pneumonia. But…he was in terrible health generally, was in and out of the ER frequently, was beginning cognitive decline. Something was going to happen and we were all just grateful it wasn’t a stroke with a long decline. I was a little outraged but rage was going to accomplish nothing so I let it seep away. My current plan for myself is Ezekiel Emmanuel’s. Pick a decent age and after that, nothing but comfort care. Of course I may change my mind if my husband or sister still need me.
Nicki Name* August 24, 2019 at 10:42 am Fragmented care is one of the big causes, and that’s unlikely to change until our healthcare system does.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 10:54 am Yes! That relates to work a friend does in examining where things have gone wrong with a tragic outcome in social services, and repeatedly a huge factor is the problems of coordinating different elements. And while it’s human to make mistakes, and there will never be a guarantee that people’s medical conditions will always be diagnosed, that doesn’t mean that the rate of mistakes is unchangeable. Atul Gawande’s Checklist is an interesting read for that. I was also driven by this thread to look up medical error rates by country. In one recent study, the U.S.’s rate is twice that of France and nearly three times that of Germany. (Interestingly, Sweden’s is the closest to the U.S.) A 2005 study indicates we were in the lead then too, so this is not a recent problem.
Lilith* August 24, 2019 at 12:18 pm Add to this discussion the opiod epidemic. I don’t know what the numbers are, but the issues are staggering in some communities.
Mimmy* August 24, 2019 at 12:32 pm I’d be very interested in hearing more about your friend’s work. Is it published anywhere?
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:51 pm She’s focused more on practice than scholarship–she gives talks but doesn’t publish that much. Theoretically there’s a book coming (there’s a contract) but I’m not sure how it’s doing :-).
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 8:09 pm I have been watching the rankings for cause of death. Medical error has been steadily climbing. It was not that long ago it was #6 for COD.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 12:57 am Different countries count/define/report medical error in different ways. This could be compairing apples and oranges. A good analogy of this: City of X police department made twice as many arrests for burglary this year as they did last year. Did the number of burglaries go up? Were the police better at catching burglars this year than last? Was the number of burglaries the same, but more people made a police complaint about the burglaries this year, and thus, the police had more reports to work from? Were burglars just more inept this year and thus more were caught? Do more people have security cameras, making catching burglars easier? Etc. etc.
TL -* August 25, 2019 at 2:11 am Survival rates for newborns are a good example of this. Babies born before 24 or 25 weeks in many countries are not considered live births. If the very premature baby doesn’t survive, it’s considered a miscarriage for recording and statistical purposes. In the USA, if the baby is alive at birth, at *any* gestational age, it is considered a live birth and the baby’s passing is recorded and counted as such, not as a miscarriage.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 6:01 am This is one reason our neonatal survival rates in the USA suck. We are counting deaths that other countries don’t count
TL -* August 25, 2019 at 1:05 pm Yeah and we are actually really good at micro-premie survival compared to many other countries. There are other contributing factors as well but in general the USA tends towards overreporting in medical statistics.
Dan* August 24, 2019 at 12:35 pm Honestly, I’m not outraged. I work in a field where when mistakes are made, *lots* of people die, and in ways that usually make headlines. In fact, it’s rare for fatalities in my field to *not* be headline makers. And yet a large portion of these fatalities are attributed to human error in some way shape or form. Usually it’s a improper response to some other primary catalyst (e.g., something went wrong mechanically, but the human should have known how to deal with it, and didn’t do it properly.) It’s extremely rare for fatalities to occur that are 100% unpreventable. Part of my job is to actually get in front of these types of events… we look at tons of quantitative and qualitative data to get insights into things that could be going wrong and lead to increased risk of fatality and try to put in mitigations to reduce that. So basically I’ve learned to accept that as long as humans are involved with something, there will always be some level of human error. And sometimes that error leads to loss of life which is regrettable and unfortunate. But it does not outrage me.
JoJo* August 24, 2019 at 2:59 pm Oh a heck of a lot never makes the news. I have family members who work in hospitals. I often can’t listen because the stories of settlements alone at various facilities is hair-raising. I am still haunted by the story of a woman who was going in for scheduled surgery who, for some reason, was being transported via a medical vehicle — maybe an ambulance, is that even a thing? Anyway, she was on a stretcher and it wasn’t secured, the stretcher slammed into the door and killed her when the vehicle started moving. Never in the news. Not a whisper.
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 12:31 am Just to be clear, I don’t work in medicine. When there are fatalities in my field, it’s usually in the dozens, and sometimes even hundreds. In fact, the most deadliest incident ever in my field totaled just under 600 people. And that was the result of human error. OP asked if people are outraged that people die one at a time as a result of human error. My answer, honestly, was no.
Lora* August 25, 2019 at 12:39 am I am deeply suspicious of half-arsed root cause analysis though; worked several places where root cause analysis was mandated by regulations and the *typical* response was, “human error, turns out Low Level Person is an idiot so we fired him” when if they had done a real root cause analysis they’d have found an engineering or procedural solution to address the whole “Low Level Person had worked a 72-hour shift with only catnaps and received 15 minutes of lecture hall discussion about this problem with no practical instruction and the supervisor was in another building” aspect of the failure. My industry gets held responsible for a lot of those mistakes simply because we have deeper pockets to sue. We end up wrestling with, do we take the extra time to design a medical device that makes mis-use of the drug nearly impossible, or do we try to get it to dying patients who need it and trust that medical professionals can read a label properly and perform an IM injection reliably?
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 1:20 pm We tend to not fire people people for human error, because they usually end up dead as a result of their error. So we really do have an interest in figuring out where the system failed (vis a vis true human error) so we can improve the system and/or training. In fact, a good chunk of parts of my job really is focused on the system(ic) aspects of what causes, or is likely to cause these fatalities.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 2:57 pm I read a book once about “cookbook” medicine. That is, doctors treating a symptom rather than a disease, and how they tend to not ask enough questions so when a patient presents with a particular *ingredient*, or symptom, they go with the first and most likely thing they think it is. Then if the treatment doesn’t help, they try the next thing and end up chasing a symptom and wasting time with a bunch of treatments that don’t work because they’re wrong. Then they give up. Personally, I think trying to cram so many people into a schedule that you have no time for a thorough history definitely contributes to the problem. Plus making people work egregiously long shifts with little rest. Plus, doctors are people, and some of them probably aren’t too great at asking questions. Plus, patients aren’t always too great at answering them.
Southern Metalsmith* August 24, 2019 at 3:08 pm There was a podcast I was listening to a while back – (Hidden Brain, I think? – I have Shankar Vedantam’s voice in my head when I think about it.) He talks about Atul Gawande and the checklist he developed and the tremendous difference it makes when hospitals develop and implement these checklists. And the strong resistance among some in the medical community to taking steps like this. It’s been a while, I’ll post a link if I can find it.
Southern Metalsmith* August 24, 2019 at 6:48 pm I think this is right. There’s a way to listen to the podcast, but also a transcript is provided. https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=559996276
Teach* August 25, 2019 at 12:17 am The book “Checklist Manifesto” is fantastic – many in education have adapted its message to our less life-threatening but important work.
HBJ* August 24, 2019 at 3:40 pm I’ve had two children now, and I’m always nervous leading up to delivery because of how horrific maternity care is in the US. A third of women get c-sections, which is absolutely horrifying. And then there’s my cousin. Her delivery was challenging. She had numerous issues and required an induction, but everyone was safe, and she goes home and six weeks pass. And then she starts hemorrhaging. By the time she made it to the hospital, she had lost half her blood and barely escaped dying. She had a partially retained placenta. Making sure all of the placenta is expelled is the most basic thing you are supposed to make sure of after the baby comes out. Doctors/midwives/nurses/whatever are supposed to go over the placenta and make sure it’s all there. I had a more textbook delivery and actually watched them do this from the bed. If it doesn’t all come out (placenta acretia), they go in with their hand and scrape it out or do other procedures (you may have heard of this because Kim Kardashian had it). It is appalling that they missed it. They are now suing the hospital.
..Kat..* August 24, 2019 at 5:23 pm As someone who works in the healthcare system, more staff would help – but is considered too expensive. Another problem I see is healthcare professionals who don’t listen to others on the healthcare team and then make mistakes. There are massive initiatives in the USA to prevent mistakes. One example. A pre-procedure pause is now required. During that pause, the patient is identified, the procedure is identified, and staff are asked if they have any concerns or questions before starting the procedure.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 8:13 pm One book I read instructed patients for amputation surgery to use a black marker: “NO not THIS one.” or “Yes this is the correct one.” omg.
Venus* August 24, 2019 at 10:03 pm Well, it is very cheap and easy to do, and the consequences of doing it wrong are very high! Definitely worth the few seconds of scribbling while the patient is awake to watch them do it right.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 12:16 am If it is left or right, we actually talk with a conscious patient or family member (if patient is unable to respond) and mark the site of the procedure beforehand.
tiasp* August 25, 2019 at 1:59 am My son had surgery this year and in the pre-op room, the nurse opened a drawer full of markers and had him right YES on the correct appendage and NO on the other one.
OtterB* August 26, 2019 at 9:06 am At the hospital where my husband had several orthopedic surgeries, in the pre-op room the surgeon signed the site of the surgery in marker. Even for the surgery which was *removing* an external fixator device, which really could not have been done on the wrong limb.
Fikly* August 24, 2019 at 6:37 pm So, I was just listening to an interview that touched on this! It was an interview with an OB/GYN and the topic that came up was reducing maternal death. She mentioned that at the hospital where she delivers babies, they changed the policy to allow nurses to speak up at any time if they feel something is unsafe during a delivery and be taken seriously, give them the “hey, we need to stop and re-evaluate for a second” power, and not face negative consequences for this, and then follow through on the cultural change to make that actually happen. Unsurprisingly, maternal deaths went down! They studied this! And I think that is a real world example of how this sort of thing can be addressed. In the US, at least, there is a very high the doctor knows all philosophy, while the reality is, other people in the room may be noticing critical things too, but may not be in a position to either be listened to, or not face retaliation if they do speak up (two separate issues).
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 8:15 pm Our nurses are so very disrespected over all. It’s disgusting. Yet they are probably a better source than some doctors.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 12:36 am The doctors with the best outcomes are the ones who touch base with the nurses about how the patient is doing. This is because the nurses are the ones spending the most time at the bedside – we spend much more time with each of our patients than doctors do. Many people don’t realize this, because what you see on TV is so different from real life. When we get the chance to tell the patient’s doctor what trends we are seeing, what we see that concerns us, the doctor is better able to give orders that address how the patient is doing and what the patient needs. (I am a nurse, and I know this may sound biased towards nursing, but this is just a fact.) Patients get the best care when their healthcare providers work together as a TEAM.
Fikly* August 25, 2019 at 1:43 am Nurses are hands down the best. I say this as someone who has worked with them, who spent five days in an ICU making disgusting fluids while unable to lift my head, and as someone who walked into a doctor’s office where I was not a patient after falling on the street, and they disinfected my elbow and gave me a band aid.
MsChanandlerBong* August 25, 2019 at 12:31 am I personally am surprised that MORE people don’t die from medical errors. I’m flabbergasted every time I’m in the hospital, which is quite often. A couple months ago, a nurse came in and tried to give me medication. The doctor never mentioned said medication, AND he told me I was being discharged. The medication also had nothing to do with my symptoms or any of my diagnosed health problems, so I refused it. Then I get home and look at my digital chart–there’s an anesthesia consult note in it. I didn’t have any anesthesia, and I did not have a consult with an anesthesiologist or CRNA. I think that someone put the wrong note and the wrong orders on my chart. It’s a good thing I am “with it,” or I would have gotten someone else’s medication! When I was young, I had a bowel obstruction. My mother took me to the doctor, and he said I just had an upset tummy. Then we went to the ER when I wasn’t getting better. Sat there being ignored for quite a while, and then my mother demanded that I be taken to another hospital. They took me there by ambulance, a doctor met me at the door, and I had a diagnosis within 15 mins. I would have died had they not caught it. The other place didn’t catch it because “there was a shadow on the X-ray.” My friend’s 11-month-old baby also died from an undiagnosed bowel obstruction. She took him to two different ERs over a period of weeks, they kept telling her it was acid reflux, upset stomach, etc. Finally, they diagnosed him, but by the time they got him into surgery, he was septic. They won a huge lawsuit against the hospital, but money won’t bring back their baby.
Jenny F. Scientist* August 25, 2019 at 4:12 pm Medical errors and bias and so on are definitely big problems, but that figure (350-400,000) comes from a single study and has been extensively discredited, FYI: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are-medical-errors-really-the-third-most-common-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-2019-edition/
Nature happens* August 25, 2019 at 6:10 pm Pure conjecture, skepticism and no hard proof given by this author. I do see an ajenda instead of fact based discredition.
KoiFeeder* August 25, 2019 at 4:30 pm I got put on 40mg of adderall a few years after my autism diagnosis, but I hesitate to call that an error when the man never performed any testing to see if I was ADHD to begin with before putting me on adderall and upping the dosage 10mg every week when it didn’t work. Autism and ADHD are comorbid, yes, but you still ought to check before reaching the maximum dosage of medication!
nonegiven* August 25, 2019 at 9:27 pm That’s like 10 times as many deaths as from gunshot wounds and ‘medical misadventure’ rarely makes the news.
Bake sale recommendations?* August 24, 2019 at 7:34 am Anyone have a tried and true recipe that is a hit for bake sales? This is geared for adults not kids. No box mixes please (I personally don’t like them) and nothing that requires decorating (but if it looks pretty as is/ out of the oven, that is nice). Bonus points for non-chocolate recipes that even chocolate fans like. Or chocolate recipes that non- chocolate people like. It seems the world is split into chocolate fans and not chocolate fans. Thanks.
Anona* August 24, 2019 at 7:56 am The potato chip bacon brownies by Trisha Yearwood are on my list to try. They look different enough that they might attract a lot of bakesale attention.
Slartibartfast* August 24, 2019 at 8:02 am What about something like an apple brown betty or peach cobbler baked in foil cupcake wrappers instead of a big pan? And cinnamon rolls. Everyone loves cinnamon rolls. I’d like mine without raisins please.
Sled dog mama* August 24, 2019 at 9:47 am I am totally stealing this idea for individual cobblers! That’s brilliant!
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 9:12 pm Great idea!! I’m with Sled Dog Mama on borrowing this one… even for entertaining, it should be a lot easier to display them on the buffet…
T. Boone Pickens* August 24, 2019 at 8:04 am Does Puppy Chow count? I’m a lover of all things peanut butter and chocolate so Puppy Chow is the bees knees for me. My S/O makes peanut butter chocolate rice krispie treats for any work related events and she said they always get cleaned out immediately.
anon24* August 24, 2019 at 8:31 am This die hard chocolate person loves lemon bars (google it if you’re not familiar, there’s lots of recipes and I’ve never made them for anyone who hasn’t ended up loving them) and cinnamon buns. And of course all things chocolate :)
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 2:56 pm Lemon bars are one of my all-time favorite sweets. Beauuuuuutiful.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 24, 2019 at 8:32 am Lemon squares, baklava, and shortbread. I don’t have my cookbooks with me though for specific recipes. I’m sure I’ll come up with more, my MIL is a cookie fiend.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 26, 2019 at 9:41 am Lemon squares from my childhood church cookbook Crust: 2 cups flour, 1/2 cup powdered sugar, 1 cup butter or margarine. Mix like a pie crust. Press down on bottom of greased 9 by 13 Pyrex dish. Bake at 350°F for 25 minutes. Filling: 4 eggs slightly beaten. 2 cups sugar. 6 Tbsp lemon juice (2 or 3 lemons). 4 Tbsp flour. 1/4 tsp baking powder. Combine filling ingredients and spread over hot crust. Bake at 350°F for 25 minutes more. Cool. Slice. Dust with powdered sugar.
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 24, 2019 at 8:41 am Sticky ginger cake (I will try to link my favourite recipe in a nested comment). Very British though, don’t know if it gets lost in translation.
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 24, 2019 at 8:43 am https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2003/nov/23/foodanddrink.shopping Scroll down to David Herbert. I don’t bother with the final “make a syrup and drizzle it” step because it’s comfortably moist and sticky without.
Valancy Snaith* August 24, 2019 at 9:02 am The Smitten Kitchen recipes for Crispy Chewy Chocolate Chip Cookies and Best Cocoa Brownies are both absolutely surefire. I never make either without being asked for the recipe.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 9:09 am Honestly, bang for your buck? Smitten Kitchen’s salted brown butter rice crispy treats. They’ve got everything you need to target adults — inexpensive, delicious, and incredibly nostalgic — but they take about 15 minutes to make a MASSIVE batch. You could drizzle or dip half of them with really good bitter chocolate, even.
GoryDetails* August 24, 2019 at 9:44 am Re Smitten Kitchen’s salted brown butter rice crispy treats: those sound awesome!
RandomPoster* August 24, 2019 at 1:17 pm Pretty much anything from Smitten Kitchen is amazing, but I was coming to recommend these as well. They’re very good!
C Average* August 24, 2019 at 9:46 am Roman apple cake. My go-to recipe is adapted from an old hippie cookbook I pilfered from my mom–I want to say the Small Planet cookbook?–but there are good recipes online, too. My favorite thing about it is that it’s actually better a day or two after it’s been baked.
Sled dog mama* August 24, 2019 at 9:46 am My go to recipes are King Arthur Flour’s best fudgy brownies (or super fudgy I’ve memorized it so I’m no longer sure of the name), chocolate chili cupcakes, and gingerbread cupcakes, the cupcakes can be paired with almost any frosting. If you use a pastry bag with a large star tip they look fancy almost no matter how you frost them. I also love lemon bars (from the comments I’m wondering if that goes with loving chocolate). For bake sales I usually do the gingerbread cupcakes because everyone brings chocolate something.
BRR* August 24, 2019 at 10:03 am I’ve had consistent luck with placing a layer of Oreos flat in a 13×9, then covering them with a layer of chocolate chip cookie dough, then covering them with brownie batter and baking. (I want to acknowledge this doesn’t do much for non-chocolate lovers).
Grace* August 24, 2019 at 11:07 am Pretty much every single Mary Berry traybake – the BBC Good Food website has a bunch of them. My favourite is the vanilla and chocolate marble traybake, particularly if it’s bonus points for looking pretty as is, and it would be fairly easy for someone who’s not a fan of chocolate to get a piece that’s mostly vanilla and vice versa.
Seven hobbits are highly effective, people* August 24, 2019 at 11:48 am My biggest bake sale suggestion isn’t a recipe – it’s to make something that you can package into small servings (and price low as a result). I’ll do something like make a big batch of brownies or cookies and then get a thing of cellophane bags from the dollar store and put just a few (maybe six) in each bag. That makes it easier for people to talk themselves into buying your thing since it’s less of a commitment and they can also buy other things. I used to make meltaways from the Betty Crocker Cooky Book a lot when I did more sweet baking, but I don’t seem to have that cookbook unpacked yet and I haven’t made them in a few years so I can’t type it out from memory (most people I know are avoiding sweets and/or wheat right now, so I haven’t done much sweet baking in the past 5 years or so). They’re butter cookies with no egg and with powdered sugar on top. I liked them because there was no refrigeration step and all of the ingredients were either shelf-stable or things I’d already have on hand in quantity (butter) so I could go from “no idea I’d need cookies today” to “here are the cookies I made” in about an hour. They’re similar to cookies called things like Mexican Tea Cakes or Russian Tea Cakes, but without the nuts, and there are lots of recipes for those online if you want to go that direction. They don’t include either chocolate or fruit by default, they’re just rich and buttery, which is often a compromise between the fruit people and the chocolate people.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 2:55 pm Your first paragraph is interesting to me — I’ve never been to a bake sale where things weren’t sold by the piece (or small serving, as in the Russian teacakes you mentioned)! I can’t imagine how you’d get people to buy an entire pan of brownies, but a brownie or two is such an easy sell. I suggested rice crispy treats above and was definitely thinking to sell them in individually wrapped portions!
Seven hobbits are highly effective, people* August 25, 2019 at 3:37 am I’ve seen some where most people make whole pies and cakes – it’s much harder to convince me to buy an entire pie than it is to convince me to spend the same amount of money on a bunch of packages of a couple of cookies each.
Frea* August 24, 2019 at 1:06 pm Every time my work has a bakesale, at least two or three people check in with me that I’m going to make Smitten Kitchen’s salted caramel brownies. I did make some blueberry and lemon scones that were also a big hit, but “the fudgy heart attack brownies” are my usual go-to.
SpellingBee* August 24, 2019 at 7:17 pm Oh, her blondies are also amazing, and just this week she posted a recipe of salted caramel pretzel blondies! Those are next up on my have-to-make list.
LCL* August 24, 2019 at 1:31 pm Some kind of candy spiced nuts, there are many recipes out there. Easy to make, and adults will buy them.
Jen Erik* August 24, 2019 at 2:11 pm Fifteens. No chocolate, no oven and they look pretty. (BBC Good Food has a recipe.)
MuttIsMyCopilot* August 24, 2019 at 2:31 pm I don’t have a specific recipe, but I highly recommend doing something savory. Especially when most of the customers are adults, savory stuff is something different and easy to talk yourself into even if you’ve already picked out a few sweet treats. Mini quiches, spicy roasted nuts, sausage rolls, empanadas, and spinach feta hand lies are always popular. If you use frozen puff pastry and phyllo it’s easy to whip up a couple of options even if your also do a couple of sweet things.
Fellow Traveler* August 24, 2019 at 3:35 pm +1 . I usually make sausage rolls and they go really quickly because people often just want a savory snack. I don’t follow a specific recipe; i just buy the frozen puff pastry and use ground sausage, or ground turkey and add some herbs and spices.
Glory Hallelujah* August 24, 2019 at 4:04 pm I like to make cheese and chive scones for this exact reason – they’re super easy to make ahead of time and bake from frozen and people do always seem to like having a savory option on the table
Amity* August 24, 2019 at 2:33 pm Oatmeal carmelitas! Google the recipe, they are amazing. Leave out the chocolate chips the recipe calls for and just use the caramel mixture in the filling. I love chocolate, but this recipe is better without it! They’re also fairly easy to make. Oh, and use a 14-oz jar of caramel topping and add another tbsp of flour.
Glory Hallelujah* August 24, 2019 at 4:01 pm Thank you for thinking of us non-chocolate lovers – over the years I’ve learned that I’m often the only person at the bake sale with something chocolate free and while that’s good for my wallet and waistline it’s also kind of a bummer. On that note, I’ve always had super good luck with Martha Stewart’s Lime Meltaway cookies! I usually make 3 batches and vary the juice in them so that I have lemon, lime, and orange cookies and I like to package them up with one of each flavor in a muffin liner. They’re easy (the hardest part is rolling them into a log) and can be made ahead of time so you’re not scrambling the day of the sale, which is a total blessing in my opinion. https://www.marthastewart.com/316576/lime-meltaways-from-the-martha-stewart-s
Lcsa99* August 24, 2019 at 4:42 pm Snickerdoodles! As a bonus, this recipe makes incredible vegan cookies, just substitute the eggs, milk and butter for soy options you should be able to find anywhere. We actually like the vegan version better. 2 1/2 cups all purpose flour 2 tsp cream of tartar 1 tsp baking soda 1/2 teaspoon salt 1 cup butter, softened 1 1/2 cups sugar 2 large eggs 2 tbl soy milk 1 tsp vanilla extract Topping: 6 tbl sugar 2 teaspoons cinnamon Nutmeg to taste In a small bowl, combine the flour, cream of tartar, baking soda, and salt. Set aside In a large bowl, cream the butter and sugar until smooth. Add the eggs, milk and vanilla and beat well. Add the dry ingredients and mix thoroughly. Wrap the dough in saran wrap and chill in the refrigerator for 2 hours. Preheat oven to 350F Mix the remaining sugar and cinnamon in a small bowl. Drop the dough by rounded spoonfuls onto cookie sheets, leaving several inches between them. Keep in mind these spread more than most. Sprinkle generously with the cinnamon/sugar mixture. Bake for 12-14 minutes or until the edges are lightly browned. Let the cookies cool on a wire rack for as long as you can wait.
Not My Money* August 24, 2019 at 7:44 pm Salted Caramel Butter Bars from Cookies and Cups. One caveat, I don’t think they need a tablespoon of salt. I usually use about 2/3rds. You can also add sprinkles or baking chips to change them up.
Autumnheart* August 24, 2019 at 9:30 pm Google “Giada de Laurentiis Florentines food network”. I’ve made that recipe several times, and it is a great one for cookies that look like they took a lot more work than they did. One batch makes dozens of individual cookies, which you then pair. Some people bake them in a silicon muffin mold to get a uniform shape, but I just take a moment to pair cookies of similar size before doing the chocolate step. Additional advice: use a high quality chocolate instead of something like Nestle, Hershey or Ghirardelli (grocery store edition, anyway). You can get a bar of Belgian or Swiss chocolate at Cost Plus World Market, and Whole Foods also has a good selection (especially Callebaut, my go-to chocolate for recipes). Secondly, instead of using the 2 tablespoons of flour, throw some almonds into the food processor and just use the resulting almond flour. It is only a binder (the cookies are very flat and don’t rise) and works very well, and then your cookies can be gluten-free without sacrificing any quality! Good recipe for holidays too.
Teach* August 25, 2019 at 12:22 am “Gourmet” Rice Krispie treats are my go-to. The kind with peanut butter in them plus unwrapped small Reese’s cups on top, and the kind with a little confetti cake mix and lots of sprinkles are my typical bake sale offerings, and they sell out. I mix in a cup of mallows at the end so there are mallow pockets, I make big square treats, and I package them cutely with cello and curly ribbons and a tag.
Sprechen Sie Talk?* August 25, 2019 at 9:18 am Look up the website Cafe Sucre Farine – Banana Pound Cake with Salted Caramel Frosting Its.. amazing. I make it for charity sales at work and quite a few people ask throughout the year ‘when are you going to make your cake again?’ It’s always the first to go and it makes a BIG cake, so people feel like they are getting value for money with a slice.
00ff00Claire* August 25, 2019 at 11:37 am Ooey Gooey Butter Cake Bars. Our just Ooey Gooey Bars. I don’t have a recipe, but they’re pretty straightforward and Google yields quite a few recipes. I love chocolate and I love these too even though they are not chocolate!
MsChanandlerBong* August 25, 2019 at 12:30 pm I usually make cheesecake bites and top them with cherries/blueberries/strawberries (and I leave some plain for people who don’t like fruit topping). You can use a Nilla wafer on the bottom or just mix up graham cracker crumbs and butter.
Just us chickens* August 25, 2019 at 12:34 pm I was watching an old episode of Masterchef Australia and for one of the team challenges, one team made rocky road popcorn. So no baking required, quick to make and it seemed both adults and kids liked it. The recipe is on the website.
Alexandra Lynch* August 25, 2019 at 6:58 pm I often plate up together snickerdoodle cookies and soft molasses cookies. They look very pretty together and they don’t involve chocolate, but they are popular.
Kali* August 24, 2019 at 8:10 am I’m really confused by one of the premises in a book I’m reading, called I’m Watching You. Basically, one character witnessed two fifteen-year-old girls become friendly with two men on a train, and then overheard one of the girls having sex with one of the men in the train toilet (relevant that the age of consent is 16 in the UK and the witness couldn’t tell the exact age of the girls, who were dressed up for a concert, so she didn’t realise it was illegal). By the next morning, one of the girls have disappeared and she immediately calls the police, as soon as she sees the appeal, to report what she saw. The bit that confuses me…is she then gets internet hate for not calling sooner? The info about the sex hasn’t been released, so she’s getting hate for…seeing two girls become friendly with two older men on a train and make plans to hang out with them later, and not immediately calling the police? It just doesn’t ring true to me. The witness and her partner have discussed the issue, and both are convinced that if the detail about the sex came out, everyone would immediately understand why she didn’t call the police, and that baffles me further. Surely that’s more incentive to call the police, not less? Even then, if I were in that situation, I think I’d just mind my own business. :/ Am I just really off with what most people would do in this scenario?
anon24* August 24, 2019 at 8:21 am I read that book awhile ago. I don’t remember much about it (in fact I didn’t remember it at all until reading your comment) and I remember just being really confused by the whole premise too, and thinking maybe its because I don’t understand modern culture and the whole “film everything and shove your nose in everyone’s business” society. I’m glad it’s not just me.
Batgirl* August 24, 2019 at 8:31 am I think both things would happen. I think a reasonable person would assume the girl was an older teen, decide her sex life was her own business and stay out of it. I also think the person would still get blasted on the internet by people who think they are all knowing and who believe that in her shoes they would have hindsight in advance. The bit that sounds unrealistic to me is that the name of a witness would be out there as soon as this, and available to trolls. Police tend to protect the identity of witnesses for this very reason.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 3:03 pm I also think the person would still get blasted on the internet by people who think they are all knowing and who believe that in her shoes they would have hindsight in advance. I have seen this happen online with my own eyes in every website that allows comments.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 8:19 pm Right on. We have a lotta anger and hate out there, just bubbling over at random.
Kali* August 25, 2019 at 1:40 pm There was a whole chapter explaining that they’d mentioned the witness was “on her way to a conference” and someone had done some digging based on where the train was going to and from and called every possible candidate, and the witness made the mistake of saying “who told you?!” when they called her instead of something like “what are you talking about?”.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 8:38 am Just sounds like a badly written book. I wouldn’t call the police if I saw people talking on the train either.
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 24, 2019 at 8:39 am People like to place blame (away from themselves) when bad things happen. Yes, any of the tiny decisions made could have altered the end result, but that doesn’t mean that the decision itself (observe suboptimal behaviour but decide it doesn’t reach a reporting threshold) was wrong. I think the book sounds accurate.
Asenath* August 24, 2019 at 8:41 am It doesn’t surprise me if I hear about an internet hate campaign for any alleged reason, or none at all. I can easily see it in this case – someone doesn’t understand the situation well, and goes off online, or even worse, they’ve got some pet cause, and think it’s just fine to attack some stranger who might be a useful focus for a PR campaign in favour of their cause, regardless of whether the attack is justified or even relevant. Girl Lost! I can’t do anything about it (they think), but if I saw them in the train I’d have stopped it somehow!! I must blame the person who didn’t, and simultaneously show how morally upright (and omniscient, because I would have known what was going to happen) I am. Sorry, on of my hot topics, internet hate campaigns. Honestly, if I saw a couple of girls who looked to be over the age of consent being friendly with a couple of men in a public place, I wouldn’t have given it a second thought. It happens all the time, and almost always it’s perfectly consensual and normal. I probably wouldn’t have done anything different if I knew or suspected they were having sex.
Kali* August 24, 2019 at 8:54 am This makes sense. Another element is that her chapters are written in first person, and a ‘hate campaign’ directed at you will seem a lot bigger than one directed at another person, which is what I mentally compare it to.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 4:02 pm Getting blasted with hate over unreasonable assumptions about what someone “should” have done is 100 percent realistic. Happens on this forum and every other one I’ve ever seen, all the time. OTOH, I agree with you that hearing the bathroom sex might possibly raise concerns about trafficking or age of consent that just seeing them talking would not. Not that I think anyone would automatically call the police, but that it would be more likely to get reported to maybe the conductor, or something.
BeanCat* August 24, 2019 at 8:24 am Well, I did have my surgery Monday. Somehow in a year and a half my endometriosis came back more aggressively and is worse than last time. There was a lot of spotting and scar tissue, both ovaries were sticking to things, and I had a bonus fibroid that I really didn’t need nor want. My surgeon was able to remove all problems but he’s baffled as to why mine is so aggressive and we’re looking into options to stop this from happening again if we can. I can’t do hormonal birth control like most people because of a blood condition I have, and pretty much all treatment options for endo include hormonal treatment. But I might have to weigh the risks at this point.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 10:56 am Ugh. I’m sorry. I hope at least you are recovering well and that this gives you a good result on diminishing pain for the time being.
BeanCat* August 24, 2019 at 11:23 am Thank you very much! Thankfully I have a job this time that allows me to take the full two weeks for recovery so I’m doing well right now. A bit sore but that’s expected :)
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 12:11 pm This is a weird thought: acupuncture – maybe? Also, is your immune system fully functional? I’d look into alternative medicine to see if there’s anything useful to you there. Sorry you’re dealing with this. I hope your endometriosis is gone for good now.
BeanCat* August 25, 2019 at 7:20 pm Hmm – I’m open to anything I can have covered by my insurance and discuss with my doctor! Thank you for the well wishes :)
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 9:17 pm Sending you a gentle internet hug…. and wishes for quick healing and the path forward to be as risk-free as possible.
BeanCat* August 25, 2019 at 7:18 pm Thank you very much! Hugs and well wishes are very much appreciated :)
Rebecca* August 24, 2019 at 8:24 am Mom Update On Thursday, the cast came off, and the PA scolded her for not using her arm more. Since July 3, when it was casted, she has been treating it like a piece of fine china, holding it at a strict position (above her heart), to the point she was literally shaking with stress over it. Many times, she was told, you can put it down for short periods, just prop it up as best you can to sleep, use your fingers, but she refused. All she could remember was that initial “you have to hold it up this way so the bones don’t come undone” but that was for the first week or so. Even this week, she was holding it up in the air with her elbow bent. Not surprisingly, she can’t straighten her arm. The ligaments are too tight, her hand is not working well, and she’s in pain. The PT person said she should take 2 Tylenol before visits. She normally takes one per day, and won’t take the Tylenol with codeine the doctor prescribed because she thinks she’ll become addicted. Honestly, I’m out of patience. I told her, start using it, or lose it…your choice, and stop whining. I know it hurts, I know this sucks, but it is what it is, and you have to deal with it. Thursday afternoon was also her first home visit with the PT person, to see how she would navigate in the house. They made her walk up the steps from the basement to the first floor, she made all sorts of sounds, kept saying she was falling (she wasn’t, and PT person had a gate belt on her and was right behind her). I had the walker ready in the kitchen, and she did manage to walk around the house. We need to add a second hand rail on one side at the 2 steps going up to the kitchen from the landing, so I’ll call a handyman, and her bed @ 30″ off the floor is too high. Just the mattress and box springs alone are about 19 1/2″, which is as high as her whole bed is at the home. PT person said she is not ready to come home yet, and the biggest holdback right now is Mom’s own fear. The whole time, she kept saying “I can’t, I can’t, I’m going to fall, I can’t” over and over, yet the day before she was determined that she was going to go home, she could do things on her own, etc. but when push came to shove, she couldn’t do it. This brings me to this Wednesday – I’m taking off work to take Mom to another PCH which has been recommended by her friend, friend’s pastor, and other people, rates are cheaper, meals are supposed to be better, and so we’re going for an evaluation. Mom’s last day at the current home is August 31, Saturday, so I’m hoping she can go to the new home that day. It’s about 25 minutes away, so will give me some time to recoup, Mom time to figure out if she likes it there…I framed it like, maybe just 7 -10 days of respite care to see if you like it and it’s really as good as everyone says, that way, if you get hurt again, you’ll have a place to go that’s familiar. And this brings me to my final thing – I was able to find the Pennsylvania Code for Personal Care Homes. Current home is not following the rules. The food part is the worst – so far – Thursday’s supper was a egg salad sandwich with potato chips. The day before it was chicken nuggets and potato chips. And before that, a hot dog and potato chips. The other meals are not much better. They’ve stopped leaving milk on the table in pitchers at breakfast, and now the attendant pours out milk from a gallon jug on the dry cereal or oatmeal, and puts the jug back in the cooler. They’re supposed to provide additional helpings if requested, but most of the time, Mom said they say “that’s all there is”. PA code has a laundry list of rules, they must follow USDA guidelines, full menus for the week must be posted ahead of time, any substitutions must done 24 hours in advance, alternative items must be available, etc. They aren’t even close. Several of the residents told me they don’t get enough to eat. Mom is lucky, she has me to bring in extra food. Some of the others don’t. Mom has shared some of her food with one of the other ladies who has no one to bring extras for her. Staffing is another issue – just one person on at one time, because there are less than 16 people there. But…from § 2600.57. Direct care staffing: (b) Direct care staff persons shall be available to provide at least 1 hour per day of personal care services to each mobile resident. (c) Direct care staff persons shall be available to provide at least 2 hours per day of personal care services to each resident who has mobility needs. Since there are now 12 people there, and over half have mobility needs, and there is one staff member on duty at one time (responsible for meals, passing out meds, laundry, vacuuming, cleaning, etc) this isn’t happening. Mom admitted last night hasn’t had a shower since she got there on July 27, she washes up with lukewarm water as best she can while standing at the sink. There simply isn’t time for one person to help all those people and perform all the other duties. She has a tub and shower in her room, but needs help and the shower head is fixed, no removable shower head attachment, so she just can’t get a shower. I may help her today since I didn’t know this. I also saw one of the residents with dementia in the dining room, sitting alone, and dumping water from her drinking glass down her back. I asked one of the other ladies, and she just shrugged, and said “she does that now” but no one was there to help her or take the glass away. This was Thursday, egg salad sandwich day…I made a supper of sorts for Mom from her own food on Thursday, I had told the attendant that Mom was just getting back and needed supper, but she got a phone call, then disappeared, so I got peanut butter, bread, carrot chips, yogurt, and grapes from Mom’s stash in the cooler for supper. I never did find the attendant to help the other lady. I found the phone number to report issues with PCH’s and I’m calling on Monday. Someone needs to do something about this. I’m putting together a list of facts, things I observed, and hopefully there will be a surprise inspection and things will be better for the residents who will be staying there long after Mom is gone. Wish me luck on that – I’ve never done this before, but I feel really strongly if you’re going to take care of vulnerable people, you need to follow the rules and make sure they’re cared for properly. So, on today’s agenda, mowing, groceries, a walk, laundry, vacuuming (OMG my room is a disaster!!), and tidying things up. The sun is shining, and that awful humidity and 90 degree misery has left, it was a refreshing 54 degrees this AM. I’m on laundry load #3 now. And I may take a nap if I feel like it!
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 12:22 pm Wishing you luck on reporting violations. PLEASE follow up your phone call with a letter or email. It’s very hard to ignore a signed and dated written complaint. Phone calls are easier to dismiss. Thank God you’re willing to speak up for these people!
That Girl From Quinn's House* August 24, 2019 at 12:40 pm And if the call and writing don’t get attention…call the media or post pics on Twitter. It is heartbreaking to picture these vulnerable people starving out of negligence. Terrible.
WoodswomanWrites* August 24, 2019 at 5:07 pm In your call, make sure you get a timeline for them to respond. And I agree that having something in writing is ESSENTIAL. The best way to follow up is something like this: “I’m writing to confirm the details we discussed on the phone. Here are the examples I mentioned about how Pathetic Care Home is not following Pennsylvania Statute XYZ.” After you list them, you then document what they told you on the phone. “You mentioned in our conversation that you are now informing Powers That Be to take action for enforcement in the next 30 days. The Powers That Be will swoop in with magical capes flying and liberate the residents and take them to Perfect Care Home.” Okay, that last sentence is just my wish for these unfortunately people. That’s so great that you are speaking up for these people who don’t have anyone else to be their voice. You continue to impress the heck out of me!
Green Kangaroo* August 25, 2019 at 1:11 pm I have been in this industry for a long time. “Perfect Care Home.” Yes, these exist. They only take private-pay residents and cost about $60k plus expenses annually for assisted living; upwards of $100k for skilled nursing care. The don’t admit those on public funding because the Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement rates are incredibly low…oftentimes less per day than boarding a pet. Reimbursement rates haven’t changed in over a decade. Staffing is a huge issue; there are labor shortages everywhere so there’s incredible competition for workers, and direct-care work is demanding and sometimes unpleasant. Long-term care is an industry in crisis and it is only going to get worse as the U.S. population ages. This is what tax cuts, reduced entitlements and smaller government have brought us to.
WoodswomanWrites* August 25, 2019 at 5:34 pm Sadly, you are spot on. As someone without that kind of income and no children, I wonder what my own future will look like when I’m at that age.
Rebecca* August 25, 2019 at 5:58 pm I’m not trying to be snarky, but maybe this is something that helper robots would be good at? Like, getting someone a drink of water, picking something up off the floor, helping to steady people as they walk…that type of thing, to free up humans for the other care giving? Sort of like a full sized Alexa that can help instead of just speak or turn electronics on and off.
Green Kangaroo* August 25, 2019 at 6:10 pm Actually, some providers are using technology to augment care, especially for overnights. There are floor and door alarms that can alert someone offsite that an individual has gotten up or left the premises. There are medication containers that pop open and closed at certain times, and issue reports if medications aren’t removed from the container. There are many other options still in development (and state regulations haven’t caught up with how they can be used), but hands-on tech-based caregiving definitely isn’t too far off.
Mimmy* August 24, 2019 at 12:48 pm I have a feeling that code violations are common in eldercare, as well as other specialties that care for and serve vulnerable people (people with disabilities, psychiatric hospitals). Good luck with the phone call on Monday. I look forward to hearing what comes out of it (if anything!) on next week’s post.
PhyllisB* August 24, 2019 at 10:33 pm Also in jails. I’ve shared before about my 16 year old grandson who is in jail. He told his mother the food was inedible because it had maggots in it. She called to report (can’t remember who) and they told her they had too many institutions to oversee and couldn’t act on a complaint at one place. They told her if he got hungry enough he’d eat.
Max Kitty* August 24, 2019 at 12:51 pm I would consider reporting to any available elder abuse hotline or Adult Protective Services as well.
anon24* August 24, 2019 at 3:09 pm Thank you for reporting this. With so much on your plate it would be so easy for you to just focus on getting your mom out of there and then forget about this. And no one would blame you. But thank you. Elder care in Pennsylvania is absolutely horrific. I think the average person has no idea how much elder abuse goes on. All too often reporting it is screaming into the void because when the state shows up to investigate the facility has all their ducks in a row and a nice little explanation as to why grandma was mistaken about her treatment, but if enough reports are made eventually the state has to start taking them seriously. If you have a local Office of Aging and the emotional energy to do so, please file a report with them as well.
Rebecca* August 24, 2019 at 6:03 pm Before I tell the person I call where this place is, I’m asking questions like, will you show up unannounced? Because if they don’t, everything will be perfect. I can envision them getting everything in order for just that day. I want them to show up and see the “supper” and the menus not posted, etc. I hope that’s not too late in the day for a state worker to show up. They should at least show up at lunchtime. If I had to guess, they’re probably spending about $5 – $7 total per resident per day on food items. I took a look in the cooler when I got Mom’s food out, and the chips with egg salad sandwiches were just generic Great Value chips, very cheap, plain white bread, and from what I could see of a partially eaten egg salad sandwich that had been tossed, the egg salad was spread very thin. Oh, and someone left a negative Google review, and it was all the talk a few weeks ago. Apparently the owner was trying to figure out who left the review, so she left a good one, and a few other good ones popped up too. I honestly just want them to feed the residents better and get more help for the care aspect.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 8:32 pm The first nursing home I checked out, I showed up unannounced. I went down a long hall way, turned, went down another long hall way and turned to find another long hall way. I must have walked 4 or 5 minutes deep into that building and I did not find a single staff person anywhere. My friend worked there. She was horrified. She said they threw everyone’s teeth into one basin to soak. Then randomly handed teeth back to people. My friend did not last long. As I walked these long halls, I found bathroom doors wide open and people peeing in the bathroom with the door open. There was a strong urine smell everywhere. I could go on, you get the idea. This place was recommended by a social worker at the hospital. I said to her, “Let me guess, you made an appointment to see the place and you showed up at the correct time.” Very slowly and softly she said, “Yes, I did.” I let her know that I don’t make appointments for reasons like this.
anon24* August 24, 2019 at 8:36 pm That’s heartbreaking. These people are counting on this facility to care for them and feed them adequately and they are being failed. Your mom is lucky she has you and that after all she’s done you didn’t just dump her in there and leave. You’re an amazing daughter. If reporting it to the state doesn’t work you may be able to get a social worker involved. Office of Aging or your hospital should be able to help with that. Occasionally residents at these homes have social workers who help coordinate care and advocate for them and if a social worker comes in they can witness this for themselves.
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 1:11 am You did find one way to get some attention. I’m usually not a fan of fake reviews, but sometimes the ends do justify the means.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 4:25 pm o_O Jesus Christ in a tiny red sidecar. Somebody needs to slap the shit out of those care home people. I wonder who’s skimming off the top in THAT outfit. >:(
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 9:21 pm Sending warm thoughts of support from here. I am grateful you have found a better PCH, and I am proud of you for documenting and doing, even when you must be weary from your own mom-drama. Be gentle with yourself. You are doing an amazing job… you now have an extra bit of time to sleep and be yourself. (I hope that is not eaten up with traveling to see her as it sounds like the other place is further?)
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 1:15 am In my prior life when I’ve felt like stirring up trouble, I’ve found success with my state senator. At a different time, I found success with my city housing authority. My circumstances were different, but my point is that trouble can be successfully stirred with the right people. Maybe try AARP and see if they have advice.
Rebecca* August 25, 2019 at 7:28 am I want to give an update on last night’s visit. I found a menu posted, but it was in the kitchen, and was from July with those dates crossed out and August dates hand written over the old dates. From the statute: “Menus, stating the specific food being served at each meal, shall be prepared for 1 week in advance and shall be followed. Weekly menus shall be posted 1 week in advance in a conspicuous and public place in the home. ” Inside the kitchen is not a conspicuous and public place. Why was I there? Because there was one person on duty, I couldn’t find her, and I brought yogurt, bananas, grapes, and whole grain bread for Mom and put it in the cooler for her in her tray. I looked at the menu, didn’t take a photo because I wasn’t sure about surveillance cameras inside the kitchen, but I noticed that what Mom said they got to eat was the same. There was no fruit served that day, yet inside the cooler, there’s a big bin of fresh peaches. They’ve been there for 2 weeks now. Not sure what they’re saving them for, they’re not going to be good for much longer. This brings me to one attendant being on for 18 hours straight. Apparently someone called off, the person on duty couldn’t get in touch with the owners, or anyone else to come in on a Saturday morning, so she was there from 7 PM Friday night to 1 PM Saturday afternoon, all by herself, did two meals, what care she could, etc. Aside, Mom was really nasty with me yesterday. She called in the afternoon, and I was hiking. Having cell service in the mountains nearby is both a blessing and a curse. I answered, she asked me if I had gone to town, yes, do you need something? Answer, where are you, I said, I’m hiking, and she got angry, said never mind, and hung up on me. 20 minutes later, she called back, said she wanted sweaters because she was cold, and I said I’d bring them after I got home and had supper, and she again was nasty with me and snarkily said “I’m sorry I’m such a bother”. When I got there, I didn’t have the right sweaters, she was miserable, complaining about everything, from not enough clean towels and washcloths (she uses multiple towels and washcloths and launders them many times per week at home), her arm hurt, she hates this place, if I have to stay in this place I want to die, I hate this wig (she threw it on the floor), I don’t want anyone to visit me here, I’m cold…it went on and on and on. Why are my clothes still dirty in the closet? I was baffled, as the day before I had picked up clothes and laundered them, and asked her if that was all, yes, so now there’s more and she’s complaining. I asked her if she asked for more towels, etc. No. Did you ask to have a specific bath or shower time today? No, because that poor girl is busy with other people. So, I said – you’re angry with me because people aren’t doing things that you want them to do, but you haven’t asked them to do? Arrggghhh. It was exhausting. I reminded her that she has an appointment on Wednesday with the other PCH, and that the last day EVER at the current facility is August 31. It really didn’t help. I finally left after I helped her get washed up and ready for bed. Aside from the crappy food, this is a clean facility, nice rooms, no bad smells, it’s not loud, the attendants are kind, they’re just not following the rules with the number of hours of care per day and the dietary issues, and perhaps numbers of hours worked…things that need to be addressed, especially the food choices. And I know she is my mother. I know this is a bad situation. I know breaking an arm at 83 years old is hard. I hope I never have to go through it. BUT. She makes her own misery, in most cases. And I’m really tired of the drama.
anon24* August 25, 2019 at 12:34 pm Just want to point out that just because the facility is nice and doesn’t smell bad doesn’t mean there isn’t serious neglect and/or abuse going on. I work in healthcare, I get that call offs happen, I’ve worked long shifts, but that doesn’t mean that any of this is acceptable. It’s up to the facility to do whatever necessary to make sure the residents are cared for and that isn’t happening. And the fact that the staff member couldn’t get a hold of anyone so she had to stay? What if she had her own emergency? This place sounds like an unsafe disaster waiting to happen. I know your mom is generally a miserable person but she also seems super depressed and if you can get her to accept professional help I think that’s a great idea. And if she makes suicidal statements or keeps talking about wanting to die making a phone call to your County Crisis team would be a good idea. They can help get you resources and can explain what you can legally do. Also, if you were able to find the number to complain about personal care homes I’m sure you’ve found this number but the PA elder abuse hotline is 1-800-490-8505. I’d also be taking pictures if I were you. If they see you on cameras it’s only going to give them incentive to clean up their act because they know someone is watching. And seriously, you’re amazing. After all you’ve been through and all the mistreatment you’ve received you are still out there caring for others. May great things be heading your way.
Rebecca* August 25, 2019 at 6:04 pm I took clean clothes today, along with a few other things, and Mom was as nice as could be, asked me if I watched the Little League game (no, I was mowing and our neighbor came over with the weed whacker, so I missed it). Yesterday she emphatically stated NO VISITORS! So, I told her several people asked me today if they could visit, so I told them no, Mom said no visitors, and she said “well, they’re OK to visit”, and “well, I didn’t mean them”. Ugh. She even smiled. Thank you for posting the phone#, if anyone else has these issues, they have it too! OH – I almost forgot!! Owner’s name was in our newspaper for owing just shy of $51K in back taxes, and since the notices for tax sales aren’t posted until 2 years after taxes are due, this would be for 2017 tax year, I believe. So it’s possible they owe a pile of money in back taxes, too.
Anon from the Bronx* August 25, 2019 at 9:03 am Rebecca, I just want to say I am in awe of all you have been doing! Sending strength to you & thanks for fighting for better care for all the residents of the home.
Watermelon M* August 24, 2019 at 8:30 am Whew, I have a few questions for the open thread that I’ve been thinking about. 1) How do you deal with feeling invisible? I don’t know what it is about lately, but I feel invisible. Maybe it’s with getting older, maybe it’s just my current city. Lately, I’ve had a lot of people only address my (male) partner over me, when I’m the one handling things. That’s been irritating. Other than dying my hair emerald green (which I can’t do atm) how do you get back to not feeling invisible? 2) What’s your favorite at home facial/skin care? I can’t justify spending money on a spa facial right now, but I can buy a sheet mask and massage my face. 3) Any of y’all learned a second language later, like 30+? Is there still a chance of becoming fluent at that age? Especially if you’re not living in the country of that language?
Coco* August 24, 2019 at 8:39 am For number 2, something super cheap is putting a couple of spoons in the freezer for 15 mins or so then putting on your eyes to de-puff. I’m a fan of the Luna FOREO line of face massager/ cleansers but if that is not in your budget you can buy manual silicone face massagers from amazon for like $5.
Watermelon M* August 24, 2019 at 8:51 am Ooh, I will look into the face massagers! I completely forgot about frozen spoons. That was a staple when I was teen and read that tip in Seventeen.
Trixie* August 24, 2019 at 3:45 pm Similar to frozen spoons, I keep snack bag ziplocks with frozen peas and use those almost every morning. I also try hard not to sleep on my stomach which creates puffiness around the face and eyes. Especially after those heavy salt days.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 8:43 am You can definitely become fluent in a new language in your 30s. Emigrants / immigrants/ refugees do it all the time. I would start with Duolingo and then move on to watching TV in that language.
Watermelon M* August 24, 2019 at 8:53 am True, my mother learned English as an adult when she immigrated here, but she did live in the US. I think I’m just doubtful how well I’ll learn if I’m not living in the country where the second language is spoken, and not near a community here either. But I’ll start watching tv in that language!
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 25, 2019 at 3:35 am Specifically, start with children’s programming in that language! You’re less likely to come across obscure vocabulary or complex syntax.
Asenath* August 24, 2019 at 8:44 am Sometimes I like feeling invisible. But when I don’t, I speak up, interrupting if needed, without worrying about being rude. “I’m actually the one buying the car. What was it you were saying about the options?”
The Messy Headed Momma* August 24, 2019 at 9:48 am A friend of mine just recommended mixing table sugar into your facial cleanser. You just put a tablespoon or so in your hands with your soap & voila! Smooth skin & apparently the sugar helps keep your skin hydrated!
aarti* August 24, 2019 at 10:54 am I’m just 30+ (31) but I’ve studied a lot of languages, so I’ll weigh in on number 3. I think it sort of depends what your measure of fluency is and what you want to use the language for. I’m currently learning a language spoken by about half my husband’s family (but not spoken in the area I live in). I don’t think I’ll ever translate literature in this language but my goals are to be able to have 10-15 small talk chats when they call us and be able have conversations during family meet ups. My cousin (42) is a nurse who has been learning Spanish (and self reports at 75% fluent or so) to better serve her largely Hispanic patient base. Will you be using the language for something or just learning it for fun?
Earthwalker* August 24, 2019 at 11:46 am Yeah, over-50 invisibility is a thing. It’s my superpower: hey, I’m invisible! But if I want to be visible I comb a streak of temporary color into my hair (purple, teal, something unusual). Then people notice me again and I can get service from people who might otherwise look right through me. That sounds silly but it actually works.
Auntie Social* August 24, 2019 at 12:26 pm Not silly, brilliant. I’ve always wanted to do that anyway.
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 12:28 pm Yep, I’ve experienced the invisibility thing. I was thinking of wearing an orange safety vest to keep people from trying to walk through me, but maybe I’ll try that hair streak thing instead. :P
OperaArt* August 24, 2019 at 12:29 pm I’m over 60. When I wear good hats (cloches, fedoras) people definitely see me, doors are held open, customer service people speak to me immediately. If I don’t wear hats, I’m invisible. So my good hats are the reverse of an invisibility cloak.
GlenEllyn* August 24, 2019 at 5:01 pm Thanks for the hat idea. I’m 60+ too, and feel invisible at times. Sometimes it’s a good thing, but not always. Time to buy a few hats.
misspiggy* August 24, 2019 at 5:56 pm Yes, absolutely. I wore bright pink lipstick and fancy jewellery today and quite an up to date dress, and people in shops were much more attentive and helpful than usual. Which meant I was warmer to them, and it was all a bit of a virtuous circle. Perhaps not ideal that people are like this, but working with it can be quite rewarding.
Alpha Bravo* August 25, 2019 at 1:06 am I’m pushing 60 and I want this superpower! I’m quite grey but also very physically fit and a POC. I tend to feel anything but invisible, lol. On the other hand, I usually get very good service.
Koala dreams* August 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm 3) I’ve signed up for an evening course in a new language! I’m looking forward to it. I hope it will be fun. Since I don’t need to know the language for everyday life, I’m happy to learn small talk and ordering things in the restaurant if I go travelling there. After that, I’ll see. The fun things with languages is that there’s always more to learn, you are never done.
Fiona* August 24, 2019 at 10:48 pm There’s a recent skit on A Black Lady Sketch Show called Invisible Spy that you might relate to – if you google it, you should be able to find it on YouTube. I found it funny and poignant in a sense – in this case, it’s more related to an intersection of plus-size bodies and blackness but relatable to many.
Anon Librarian* August 25, 2019 at 11:31 am Ooooh, I have a snarky response that combines 1 and 3! Invisibility is a POWER. I’m not saying it’s ok to treat people like they’re invisible. But when all else fails, use it to your advantage. And YES, you can learn new languages at any age (I have), and if you are invisible and a polyglot, you get to hear MANY things. Which you can later write about! Or you can just respond, and totally shock people! They’ll tremble in fear and/or kneal and kiss your feet when they see you again. The being invisible while hanging with a male friend or partner is especially irritating. Even worse when the guy is younger and less experienced at whatever the thing you’re there for is. In theory, they’ll speak up for you. But I think a lot of guys don’t even notice, or they’re caught off guard. You basically have to teach people that you are visible – wage a PR campaign of sorts. There are many ways to do that. Some will never catch on. But they’re showing their ignorance and lack of depth (at least in some areas), so just be glad you’re not them and that you’re enlightened enough to see all the humans that exist and to understand that they have brains. #2 – Eat fresh fruits and vegetables, exercise, get enough sleep, stay hydrated, and live to the fullest.
anon24* August 24, 2019 at 8:45 am Easy dinners for camping? My co-worker invited my husband and me to go camping with her, her husband, and another co-worker. I’ve always wanted to go camping but never have so I’m excited to go. We will be responsible for dinner for one night. Anyone have any ideas for a delicious and easy dinner for someone who has never been camping and thus never cooked outside of a kitchen (and who honestly doesn’t cook much inside the kitchen anymore)? She will have a camp stove we can use and there are no food allergies/dietary preferences to worry about.
BeanCat* August 24, 2019 at 9:04 am Oh! When I was a kid we used to make tinfoil dinners. You take a few layers of long sheets of tinfoil, place some seasoned veggies on them (can add seasoned meat if you so choose), add a tablespoon of oil, then put a few more sheets on top and crimp/roll the edges to make a pouch. Then toss the pouch directly into the fire pit. (Probably better to do this with coals rather than a roaring flame.) Recommended: heavy duty foil and a grate to go over top the fire if you’re not using the coals. I have pretty fond memories of these dinners! Hope you have fun :)
Grace* August 24, 2019 at 11:16 am That’s also really good to do with fish and veggies – the fish steams in the veg juices, and it’s so tender it just falls apart.
Washi* August 24, 2019 at 12:33 pm I have made eggplant parmesan this way! super delicious smokey flavor!
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 3:23 pm I learned to do this at Girl Scout camp. Something like a hamburger patty, cut up potatoes, and carrots, seasoned, and then crimped up in the foil packet. Of course, adults can get more sophisticated with this stuff.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 9:23 am Campstove makes it super easy. We keep it as simple as possible most of the time with packet mixes with tasty add-ins — packet pasta alfredo with some broccoli and shredded rotisserie chicken mixed in is a favorite. We’ve also done boxed cajun red beans and rice served with sausages we cooked over the fire. I’ll add a couple links to some other tasty things in a reply. KEY things: – Do ALL your prep before you leave, and have everything in your cooler already prepped in containers. So say you’re making one-pot stroganoff — you’d have a bag with sliced mushrooms and onions and another bag with seasoned meat, then a jar or bottle containing your broth, worcestershire, and seasonings, another bag for your noodles, and a little container of sour cream. When I do tamale pie while camping (similar to link below but much smaller since it’s just for two of us), I make the entire chili filling at home, chill it, then put the amount I need into a ziplock bag and pop it in the cooler. – Don’t forget about things like oil, butter, salt, and pepper! We have a tiny bottle of olive oil that we refill for camping trips, and you can get salt/pepper sets at the dollar store.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 9:24 am http://www.outdoorcookingmagic.com/dutch-oven-tamale-pie/ https://www.freshoffthegrid.com/dutch-oven-chicken-marbella/ https://www.freshoffthegrid.com/one-pot-beef-stroganoff/
Aurora Leigh* August 24, 2019 at 9:28 am Hot dogs over a bonfire is the classic! And also Smores (marshmallow, chocolate bar, graham cracker). One of our favorites for camping is quesadillas. I buy canned chicken, taco seasoning, canned mushrooms, canned olives, shredded mexican cheese, and small soft taco shells. I sprinkle the taco seasoning on the chicken and then assemble everything in a pie iron to cook over the fire, but you could do them in a pan over the camp stove too.
Aurora Leigh* August 24, 2019 at 10:28 am We have also done hamburgers, pizza pockets, grilled sandwhiches, fruit pies, and eggs and hash in our pie irons. If you get into camping, and live somewhere where you can make campfires, I can’t reccomend the pie irons enough!
Seeking Second Childhood* August 24, 2019 at 9:29 am Assuming propane stove here. I suggest things that are edible even if you eat them raw, just I’m case. (I prefer beef to chicken for this.) My husband says hot dogs are better over wood fire. Pre-made stuffed pastries are a good convenience if you like baking at home, just bring themy along. Side note: learn what poison oak looks like, because it’s significantly different from poison ivy that they teach us in school.
heckofabecca* August 24, 2019 at 9:45 am SortedFood on YouTube has a 3-part series about camping food! If you google “sortedfood camping” you’ll find it, but the dinner recipes are basically the tinfoil method that BeanCat describes (with veg and also a fish) as well as a one-pot orzo pasta recipe. They have breakfast & dessert recipes too. Growing up we always did PB&J when we travelled for lunch to save money… I don’t remember dinner foods we had while camping, though! Sorry :S
Overeducated* August 24, 2019 at 10:37 am This may not be fancy enough, but I think camping spaghetti tastes better than any other spaghetti.
Alex* August 24, 2019 at 10:41 am Sausage and pepper sandwiches are one of my favorites. I precook the sausages at home so I don’t have to deal with raw meat, and then just put them on the grill to brown. Slice up some onions and peppers before you go, and then either fry them up in a pan or wrap in foil and cook them over the fire. Goes great with some grilled corn on the cob. Another fancy-but-easy one is ribs. Slow cook the ribs in the oven before you go, then put them over the fire and in the last couple of minutes brush with bbq sauce. Serve with salad and corn on the cob.
Elspeth Mcgillicuddy* August 24, 2019 at 11:28 am If you have a camp stove, you have a one burner stove top that is pretty much the same as any stove top. Might be a little iffy on the heat output or control. Any one pot meal will work if the pot is big enough. What you won’t have is refrigeration (except for coolers), any kitchen tools except the ones you bring with you, or a kitchen sink. It’s the prep work and cleanup you want to minimize. Which night of the excursion are you cooking? First, third? Does the stove need a particular pot or have size restrictions? What kind of tableware is going (soupy food doesn’t go good on paper plates, but great in bowls)? Is there a meal that you already love and are familiar with cooking?
YouwantmetodoWHAT?!* August 24, 2019 at 1:04 pm On our way to go camping right now! In the ice chest are frozen spaghetti sauce and chili, which I made yesterday (I usually do it earlier, but I had an unexpected trip to LA this week). We’ll also be having burrito/tacos one night and cheeses, fruit & crackers another.
MuttIsMyCopilot* August 24, 2019 at 2:50 pm Skewers and couscous is my go-to camping dinner. Before your leave, skewer some meat cubes and throw them in a ziplock with marinade. Prep a couple of quick cooking veggies (diced peppers, halved cherry tomatoes, frozen corn or peas, etc) and throw in another bag with a pinch of spice. Start roasting the meat and boiling water at the same time. When the meat is nearly done, add the veggies and couscous to the water and cover it for five minutes. Fluff the couscous and serve with skewer on top.
Koala dreams* August 24, 2019 at 5:10 pm I’m going with easy here. Corn, hot dogs, meat balls. Buy the ready made so you just have to heat them. Eat with bread or something simple like pasta or couscous.
HannahS* August 25, 2019 at 10:26 am I’ve never been camping, but a friend was recently talking about it. She suggested something like boiling pasta, then cooking onions and other veggies in the pot, and adding textured vegetable protein (I think you have to hydrate it first–maybe cook it with the pasta) and some pasta sauce.
Seven hobbits are highly effective, people* August 25, 2019 at 12:23 pm You might consider boil-in-the-bag omelettes. You get ziplock freezer bags (one per person – write names on the bags) and fill them with raw whisked eggs and whatever omelette fillings each person likes, then seal them up and cook them in a big pot of water on the stove. If you’re not being graded on presentation, people can eat them right out of the bags with forks. This was a go-to meal when I was a kid and we’d have all of the extended family over at my aunt and uncle’s house because it scales easily to 15-30 people who all want slightly different things in their eggs (we’d have the eggs in a big pitcher and all of the possible fillings in bowls so you could just pick your own to put in the bag), but my uncle would cook it outside on a grill or camp stove (so as to not have a giant pot of boiling water in the house in the summer) so it seems like it would work well for car camping. I tend to bring spaghetti if I need to do a group meal while camping and I don’t want to deal with anything complicated. You can make basic spaghetti in one pot + colander if you’re not also trying to cook meat for it (I’m a vegetarian, but you could also pre-cook the meat at home and then just add the cooked meat to the jarred sauce when you warm up the sauce in the noodles after draining them). People also tend to like baked apples for dessert – core apples, wrap them in tinfoil leaving the top open, pour cinnamon and sugar into the missing core, finish wrapping the apple completely in foil, and bake in the coals until soft. (I bought an apple corer specifically for this, but it’s something I also make in batches in the oven at home when I have a group over.) You should make sure you understand how “improved” the camping site is as you plan the meals. Will there be potable water supplied on site or do you have to pack/filter in all of your water? Do the campsites have electricity? Is there a restroom with running water nearby for washing hands, or will your group be packing a handwash station (or…not)? “Camping” covers everything from “half of the group will be staying in RVs rather than tents, electricity is readily available at each site (which are clearly marked and have specific places to pitch tents as well as park cars), restrooms with flush toilets are a short walk away, and we all sit around a fire together in the evening roasting marhsmallows” to “we will hike all day with large packs and sleep when we find a good place near the trail to make camp each night”, so knowing where your particular group falls on the improved/unimproved camping scale and how far your camp site will be from where you are parking your car are things to keep in mind for meals. I bring a lot of heavy stuff (including a large cooler with 40 pounds of ice in it) if I’m car camping because I don’t have to carry it, but if I were camping someplace where I had to hike in I’d be much more interested in how much my food weighed and would not take things that needed to be kept in a cooler full of ice.
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 9:02 am Hi! I wanted to give those who are interested in botox/fillers/sculptra the opportunity to ask questions if you’re new to getting them or if you’re thinking about it. There is a big stigma that if you get these injections, you will look fake and overdone – which is simply not true. With good research, the right injectionist, these items are a great way for you to maintain youth in your face without looking fake. Expensive, sure, but if you have the money and are willing to budget it – it really goes a long way and no cream or serum will do what these products can. Please, no comments about how “I should love myself the way I am.” I do this because I want to and it makes me feel confident. If your choice is to go with the flow of the aging process, more power to you! It was simply not for me :) My story: I was a 27 year old redhead who spent way too much time not only in the sun but in the tanning bed (yikes). After a trip to South America, I was looking at the photos and realized how much I had aged. My skin was sagging, wrinkles around my eyes and forehead. I researched a med spa and after a few weeks found a spectacular one with stellar reviews – particularly one injectionist. There were about 100 reviews all saying how much of an artist she was. I was sold! I went in for my first appointment in June/July 2015. She recommended botox and fillers around my naso-labial folds. The botox took a few days to settle in but the filler was instant – I was THRILLED with the results. Here is what I’ve gotten over the last 4 years and what it’s done: Botox every 3 months – crow’s feet, 11 lines in between the brows, and just a bit in my forehead (I can still move my forehead up and down which was important) Filler – nasolabial folds. I don’t do this anymore because I got sculptra (more on that below) but it’s a great instant effect that lasts about 6-9 months, depending on your metabolism. Filler – lips. I only do about a half syringe every 6 months. This amount is not enough to make you look like Kylie Jenner (she probably had 2 syringes). It just gives you a *little* increase in size and a nice looking hydrated pout Filler – cheeks. I don’t do filler here anymore bc of sculptra but if I had to choose one area for the rest of my life, it would be cheeks. I had wonderful cheeks and a great cheek line when I was younger and that all depleted because of spending too much time in the sun. this is an INSTANT way to make you look younger. I love my puffy, youthful looking cheeks. Filler – under eyes. AWESOME HIGHLY RECOMMEND! I’ve always had thin skin under my eyes with big dark bags and decided to do this about 3 months ago. Love. love. love! Sculptra – THE BEST! It’s not a filler and not an instant result once the swelling goes away. Sculptra is an injectable that causes collagen production within about 6 months and continues to do so after that. This has been the most transformative product for my face and also saves money because it lasts 2 or more years. All that filler I used to get in my cheeks and nasolabial folds? no longer need it because sculptra has lifted my face, my cheeks look like I did when I was 18, and my jawline is sculpted (we women get a saggy jawline as we age). We also looks volume in our temple area, which I’ve also done. Longer post than I intended. If you have questions, ask away! Wish I could share photos – I do not look fake or look like I’ve had stuff done. None of my girlfriends have even asked me!
Victoria, Please* August 24, 2019 at 10:48 am So for lips… which I am considering because I have little paperclips… If you STOP at some point, is the result that you have a mouth like a raisin? I guess that’s a question for most of this, if you stop the treatments, have you made things far worse than they would have been otherwise?
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 11:39 am Lips go back to normal size. They will not shrink up like raisins :) Getting these treatments is also seen as a preventative. Especially botox, since you’re freezing the muscles, which means you can’t create new wrinkles. Sculptra is also a preventative since you’re creating collagen in your face.
How much $?* August 24, 2019 at 10:49 am I’m curious as to the money you have spent on these procedures. Could you delineate how much you have spent for each? Cost is a big factor for me. Also, whom is performing the procedures? Thanks
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 11:48 am I have spent quite a bit and I’ve done a lot, but am now at the point to where I can manage with $2,500 – $3,000 per year (what I’m currently doing is botox (every 3 months), lip/under eyes (every 6 months) and sculptra as needed (once every 2 years or longer if I don’t need it). Including this year, I have probably spent $12,000 over the last 4 years. The spa I go to has price specials twice a year, so that helps a lot as well if you buy beforehand. My injectionist is not a doctor or nurse but she is certified in every way possible and previous to injecting, she worked hands on beside a doctor so was familiar with the procedures. Finding the right person is extremely important. I went with her because of the amazing reviews she has online and they were right, she is an artist and incredibly talented. For price reference (including discounts) Lips and under eyes- one syringe restalyne/juvederm: $595/syringe no discount, $495/syringe with discount. I buy one of these every 6 months and use half on my under eyes and half for my lips. You don’t use juvederm for under your eyes, only restalyne or a diff product. If you ever do lips I recommend going to someone and have them use a canula. You will need to buy a full syringe but you can use the other half under your eyes. Canulas allow the injection to be put only on the side of your mouth versus directly on the lips, so there is no bruising and less swelling. Cheeks (filler) – one syringe of Voluma: $795/syringe no discount, $695/syringe with discount. You will need the whole syringe if you’re just starting out. Cheeks (sculptra) – they come in vials, not syringes (a lot more product). One vial is $850 without discount, $750 without discount. I used one vial for my cheeks and jawline. I bought a second one for a touch up 1 year later, to finish cheeks and do temples (this was recently). I’ll be good till at least next December. Botox – I get about 20-25 units each time, $11 per unit with discount, $12 per unit without discount. 5 units on each side of my eyes, 10 in my 11’s area, and 5-10 in my forehead
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 1:41 pm The woman I see is a medical aesthetician, I just say injectionist.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:02 am I sometimes think about botox, but when I look at the expense and frequency of treatment, I tell myself to be comfortable with my looks. If you get botox for a while and then stop later, will you look worse for not continuing the treatment?
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 26, 2019 at 8:34 am Hello! In my experience and from what the woman I see has told me, botox helps prevent wrinkles in the future because you’re freezing the muscles. So you cannot create new ones while the muscles are frozen. I’ve never stopped doing botox so I’m not sure if that happens but I can see how it would!
Homo neanderthalensis* August 24, 2019 at 11:44 am Are you a bot or is this an ad? Because the way this is written it sounds like copy designed to get past a spam filter. Do you get money from Sculptra or Botox? This seems super scummy to me.
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 11:50 am lol OK. nope. just a person wanting to offer their experience because there is a lot of information out there on the internet and not everything is correct.
Homo neanderthalensis* August 24, 2019 at 12:14 pm Yeah but nothing you’re saying is correct either- it’s just ad copy designed to trick women into procedures they don’t need and that can have devastating side effects. This is super gross.
Hodor* August 25, 2019 at 9:40 pm I’m not sure why you think this is a bit or why you’re being so judgmental. I for one appreciate the info!
Neela* August 24, 2019 at 12:38 pm Oh! I just talked with a dermatologist this week about doing something about the marionette lines I’m getting (vertical lines going down from the corners of the mouth). She surprised me by suggesting doing fillers in the cheeks instead, saying that when your cheeks are restored to their more youthful fullness it lifts the skin that’s causing the lines by the mouth. I’m trying to figure out how much of a difference that would truly make to my marionette lines. Know anything about that?
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 1:39 pm Absolutely! Filler in the cheeks will lift the skin and help with the marionette lines. Killing 2 birds with 1 stone! that’s what happened with me and sculptra.
Decca56* August 24, 2019 at 1:05 pm Who is paying you to write this? This does not read at all like an authentic post.
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 1:40 pm Move along, no one’s paying me and I don’t work for any of these companies.
Happy Face* August 24, 2019 at 1:22 pm You’ve posted this here before, I seem to recall. Are you getting discounts or kickbacks for this proselytising?
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 1:39 pm Nope, never posted this before. perhaps it was someone else.
Ask a Manager* Post authorAugust 24, 2019 at 1:34 pm Y’all, if you don’t want to read this post, please collapse it and pass it by, but do not harass the person who posted it. People are allowed to be interested in this topic. It’s fine to say “I have a different perspective because X” though. If you think someone is spamming the site please flag it for me and I’ll take a look. In this case, I checked the IP address after seeing these accusations and this is a regular commenter who has posted frequently on other topics. I also didn’t see other posts quite like this on past threads (although people frequently revisit topics and that’s okay too). This post is fine and doesn’t violate the rules of the site or the spirit of the weekend thread.
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 24, 2019 at 1:40 pm Thank you AMA. I am a real person, just offering people to ask me questions if they are interested in it.
Ask a Manager* Post authorAugust 24, 2019 at 1:46 pm I believe people are thinking of this, which is from someone with an entirely different comment history (both on this topic and others).
Redhead in NY* August 24, 2019 at 2:16 pm Ah, makes sense. I post a bit on here, not often, under “Redhead in NY”
Xavier89* August 24, 2019 at 2:51 pm Just because you’ve gotten a bunch of negativity I’ll go ahead and say that I get my lips done once a year as well as Botox once a year (the yearly Botox is just a treat really, I would need to get it done much more often for any long term difference) My lips make me very happy and it’s something that I do just for me, I don’t mind when other people say all injected lips look bad because I love my lips and that’s all that matters I don’t know much about sculptra! I might ask my injector next time I see her
Redhead in NY* August 24, 2019 at 3:17 pm It’s amazing!! (Original poster here, posting this comment from my phone and my normal username is autopopulated) Glad you love your lips! I love doing mine too.
Xavier89* August 24, 2019 at 3:33 pm I also totally agree with you that people think lip injections will give you big fake looking lips, they certainly can but like you said that takes multiple syringes A good injector will just give you hydrated plump lips
Trixie* August 24, 2019 at 3:55 pm I am definitely looking at Botox. I have very active eyebrows/forehead and I like the idea of making them less active so slow down the wrinkling process. And absolutely about doing your research before selecting a professional.
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 26, 2019 at 8:35 am I had very active eyebrows (the 11 areas). so much that it looked like I was scowling at people when I really wasn’t! now they are frozen :P
Ann O.* August 24, 2019 at 4:13 pm You may not be able to answer this since you’re doing Botox for beauty, but would you happen to have any experience with Botox for non-migraine headaches? I know it’s only medically evaluated for frequent migraines, but I get these horrible tension headaches that seem to be connected to eyestrain-related squinting. I’ve been wondering if Botox in the right spots may prevent them.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 1:57 am I have read that forehead (or maybe upper face?) botox can cut down on tension headaches. Might be worth a try. I recommend going for 2 to 3 months and marking on a calendar if you have a tension headache and how severe for each day. Then try botox, and continue to track. And see what you get. Definitely research the clinic that you are thinking of using. I see a lot of clinics that pop up and disappear pretty quickly. Also, look at the training and qualifications of the people doing the injections.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:00 am as for the squinting, I don’t think you can safely use botox that close to the eyes. Are you squinting because you need glasses to see better? Sunglasses for bright outside light? Habit? Need better lighting to see what you are looking at?
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 4:16 pm I’m not trying to be negative, you do you & I’m glad you’re happy. But I notice that in some of you’re replies, you’re getting really specific with the medical aspect of what this or that procedure will do for someone, or making predictions about how their bodies will/won’t react in the future. I don’t know any actual doctors who would be comfortable making assertions like that about people they’ve never seen, much less taken a medical history on. And from what I understand, you’re a patient, not a doctor, right? I think that may be related to why it’s sounding like an ad vs just a personal experience. Just offering some insight, and maybe some caution about giving people unrealistic expectations that their own doctor might not support.
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 26, 2019 at 8:37 am Makes sense, I’ll keep that in mind for future comments! Thanks!
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 4:33 pm Hmm…the Sculptra sounds cool. I might have to remember that if I’m ever rich and famous, LOL.
Roz Doyle* August 26, 2019 at 2:28 pm A bit late to the party, but hoping you’ll still see my question. How old are you and how old were you when you started these? In my mid-30s and still have good youthful looks (family genetics, thankfully), but always been interested in fillers and keep them in mind for the future to keep myself looking nice and fresh. I really like your post and found it very informative. Also – have you every tried electrolysis or have tips how to find someone good? I have several annoying chin hairs that I would LOVE to eliminate instead of plucking (I HATE chin hairs SO MUCH), but don’t know how to find someone good. Laser hair removal is not an option, I have fair hair and and the chin hairs are only quasi dark.
Ask me anything - botox, fillers, etc!* August 26, 2019 at 3:58 pm Hey there! I was 27 when I started, and I’m 32 now. I suppose you could say I was young when I started, but being a redhead out in the sun – time was not as kind to me as I had hoped! For eletctrosis – I would recommend you yelp a few places that offer it in your area and read the reviews. A lot of them post about specific people who do the procedure so you can get a good idea of how to find someone great. Glad you found the post helpful :)
Roz Doyle* August 26, 2019 at 4:03 pm Thanks so much! appreciate that you were able to respond today. Will definitely save your post about fillers and will “yelp” around for good electrolysis reviews in my area.
Cheese and wine* August 24, 2019 at 9:08 am Is it common for long term couples to go through BEC stages with each other? DH and I have been together for 25 years and we’ll chug along fine for months and months. Then about once a year we’ll have a HUGE fight and it’s that HE never separates the laundry right so my bra is pink instead of white and *I* never check the mailbox when I get home. Obviously, the conclusion is he’s careless with my things and I’m lazy and this is How newspaper articles about spouses that kill each other over the arrangement of flatware in the drawer makes sense. The above examples are made up but I believe capture the essence- we start to find petty things SUPER annoying. We had one such blow up last week and it spiraled in an ugly way. (Ugly conversation, nothing physical.). It was bad enough that I left the house for the night. In the daylight, we’d both calmed down, tge bra and the mail no longer seemed insurmountable. But reality check- is this common? Total dysfunctional parents here, so I can’t gage.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 9:26 am My parents have been married almost 45 years and have a great marriage, and yup, the annual “you are DRIVING ME BANANAS WHY can you NEVER VACUUM RIGHT” meltdown is 100% a thing.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 10:01 am (But just a note to say that if it bothers you, it’s worth working on! I tend to think of relationship counseling/intentional relationship work a bit like the mechanic or the doctor — sure, you go to the mechanic when something goes wrong, or to the doctor if you’re sick, but you also get your oil changed regularly, and do your annual checkup. Meaning your relationship doesn’t have to be “bad” to merit a check-in.)
Batgirl* August 24, 2019 at 9:30 am It’s normal for irritations to happen and complaints about those are a necessary and useful thing to do. It doesn’t mean you’re bad and lazy people; it just means partnership is a game of close quarters like the two legged race. I think if any adjustment is needed it’s probably complaining to each other a bit more frequently, and hopefully that should tamp down any drama. Rather than letting it build up into something more than it is, you could both agree going forward to ask for something you need quickly and cheerfully, like laundry separation, and have it received with ‘Ok, no problem’. You should also probably agree in advance that something can be kept on the front burner until the necessary habit or solution is formed without it being considered nagging. But sometimes you don’t know something is building up until it’s built. Small things are sneaky. The best advice I ever heard was that the things that are most important to you are your biggest problems. Most people’s biggest problems in life are their partners and jobs, even when they love both. As long as you can make adjustments in a way that works though, it’s an enjoyable work in progress.
Roja* August 24, 2019 at 10:47 am I think it’s common to get annoyed with each other, certainly, but if you’re blowing up at each other at that level over minor stuff there’s some preventative work that can be done to keep that from happening. If something bothers you that much, definitely bring up before it’s BEC stage! I don’t have time to write more now and maybe you’re doing that already, but having regular arguments so bad that you sleep elsewhere–especially over minor stuff, and not something that’s truly a big deal–isn’t that normal, IMO. I don’t know how your communication skills are normally, but upping those and making sure the ratio of happy time to frustrated time is higher (I think it’s like 5 to 1 for a marriage to feel happy, but I forget) by prioritizing connection will help.
Acornia* August 24, 2019 at 11:05 am I don’t know that it’s super common, but that happens to us, too. Often it’s just one of us going through a rough time and having little patience with petty stuff, but sometimes it just aligns so we’re both feeling that at the same time and that can spark fireworks of the not so fun kind. But that eventually passes, with forgiveness and patience, and soon the best kind of fireworks comes back.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 11:55 am I think it’s really common. We definitely have fights over ridiculous things. And I know a lot of other people who do too. Mark Manson has quite a good article about long term relationships. He’s a blogger and when he got married he asked for advice from people whod been together a long time and a lot of the advice was really similar. It included people saying yes you will go through phases where you are really angry with each other.
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 12:33 pm This is common. My in-laws argued over what street that one Taco Bell was on. 99% of the time they were fine and peaceful with each other, but don’t get them started on where that one Taco Bell is! It’s a thing.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 2:22 pm That’s funny. my DH and I had a huge row about which of our neighbours had their house done up! I think you just get sick of each other and need to clear the air sometimes.
cat socks* August 24, 2019 at 1:29 pm I’ve been married 20 years and I definitely go through BEC phases with my husband.
dinoweeds* August 24, 2019 at 1:58 pm Oh dear lord – my SO and I have been together 10 years and one of our biggest fights to date was over the spice cabinet! Sometimes things just go sideways, and you have to take some deep breaths and hug afterwards.
Oldster* August 24, 2019 at 5:43 pm 36 years and still going. Perfectly normal. This is the person that knows you best but you are still different people. Years of compromise and accommodation doesn’t change the fact that we fill the dishwasher differently. (And if course he does it wrong)
Figgie* August 24, 2019 at 9:18 pm Married 44 years and have found that marriages ebb and flow. There are times when we are remarkably close and other times when we feel more distant. We’ve learned to just wait out the times we feel more distant, as they always change back to closeness at some point. And as we’ve gotten older, we both find that we just plain don’t have the energy to ramp up to a really angry fight. Just takes too much out of us at this point in our lives. What helps when we reach the point of being upset about trivial stuff, is that we’ve learned to laugh instead of fight. Almost everything we’ve fought about over the years is truly stupid stuff and it helps to recognize that and laugh about it. If it helps, our current ongoing argument is over who gets to die first (ridiculous, as we won’t really have any real control over that). I say I get to go first and have the shitty family genetics to prove it. He says he gets to go first because otherwise he will live in a house with everything falling down around him. I don’t think we will ever actually resolve this particular fight. :)
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 8:08 pm Yes, from time to time the stresses of life outside + the ordinary wear & tear of living with a fellow flawed human being build up and turn into a stupid argument over nothing. As long as it’s only on rare occasions, and doesn’t involve physical fighting or personal verbal abuse, it’s nothing to worry about. If we’re just in a period of general low-level irritation/bickering with each other, particularly if we’re bickering over simple misunderstandings where we actually agree but just misheard or misinterpreted what the other one said? That’s usually a sign that we’re overdue for sex.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 9:14 pm Very common. I know people who are married 50 years and barely speak to each other. I have a friend who says her marriage has lasted 30 plus years because he is a night owl and she is a day person. They don’t see much of each other. For me, just when I thought we would strangle each other, things changed. We somehow managed to learn to laugh at our own stupid selves. Spouses get to know each other like a book. With that very close, personal knowledge also comes a lot of irritation. It’s easier to be kinder to the stranger who pushes their grocery cart into ours than to be nice to our spouse who has broken yet another piece in our favorite set of dishes. Repetition is wearing. Okay, it’s exhausting. Take breaks from each other. Hang out with friends, go visit family. Each of you can allot time to disappear into your own hobby or interest. Privately, make lists of things you are grateful for about each other, just as every relationship has its limitations, it also has its advantages. Keep the advantages at the front of your thinking. Compliment each other. Thank each other. Not all the time, just randomly. Say you are sorry when you actually mean it. Accept each other’s apologies. Rediscover each other by trying something new together. When we got our first pup, he saw sides of me he never saw and likewise for me. Something new, exposes new or unused aspects of our personalities. He was very cute with the pup and it pinged my heart strings. For your examples here, my thought would be that you take over separating the laundry entirely and in exchange he gets the mail all the time. If you frame it as we can compromise or we can choke each other, compromising starts to look okay. If the real issue is one of you is not carrying the workload at home then that needs to be figured out. For myself, compromising never stopped, we compromised on a great many things. Life is trade-offs. In order to have other beings in our lives we probably have to forego something else. One cool thing we did was acknowledge where other person was stronger. He let me pick out the color for the siding on the house. “You are better at color than I am. Pick what you want. I know it will look good.” When we rewired the garage, he was totally in charge of that project, whatever he decided was what we went with. He was the techie, not me. I think acknowledging each others strengths was very helpful especially when crisis happened. We could quickly say, “This one is yours” and know the other one was not being mean, they were just acknowledging who had the better strength/background. Broken car was his, MIL with female problem was mine. This was super helpful for us as a team. And it felt good to hear the hidden compliment. I think it was around the 25 year mark we just started laughing at our own foibles. “Yeah, I left the window open again and the rain gushed in AGAIN. Because, I did not learn from the last 27 times this happened…” Water wipes up and life goes on. My thought is change something you are doing and see how he responds.
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 9:39 pm Only you know if this one is true. But what sometimes happened with me is… I focused on something we could have a fight about, so I could vent. Because I needed to vent. The real problem was underneath, or something else. Let’s say it is not really the red-in-the-white-laundry. Let’s say it is “problem B.” But you don’t know how to bring up Problem B, or maybe you’ve tried to bring it up and been shot down… and the irritation comes out in a smaller or different avenue. Especially (if like me) you’ve come from a dysfunctional family, you may not know how to actually have a disagreement or tackle issues head on when they arise. You might want to think about the tune-up with the therapist. It might have helped my marriage – we had a lot of “those” kinds of fights in our 25 years.
Melody Pond* August 25, 2019 at 1:18 pm Mr. Pond shared something with me just yesterday that he’d seen (probably browsing on imgur) – something to the effect of, “Marriage is about 50% ‘I’d die for you’ and 50% ‘Dear god, do you HAVE to sneeze like that?!’ ” I had to agree. We don’t get into BIG fights about little irritations 50% of the time, but we definitely nitpick and snap at each other on a low level, probably about 50% of the time. It seems like we get into a big fight about something petty maybe once every six months or so? I think what you’re describing is normal. The “roommate” aspect of living with a spouse seems to be the hardest, or at least one of the hardest challenges of being in a long term relationship.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 6:31 pm I just remembered an animated short my husband showed me years ago, called “The Big Snit.” It takes the idea of these “Gawdelpme, why do you ALWAYS do that?!?!” type fights, and takes it to an absurd level. It’s actually really a helpful shorthand, because when we realize that we’re just being pissy with each other about nothing, or that we are doing the same infuriating thing for the umpteenth time, we start saying lines from the film at each other, and that makes us laugh instead.
The Rat-Catcher* August 26, 2019 at 3:10 pm To each their own here, but when DH and I have those fights, they aren’t really about checking the mail and separating the laundry. There’s some other issue at play which may or may not be even between us. Usually it’s not and the answer is “give DH/DH gives me plenty of space to be irrationally angry about the mail, the apology will come tomorrow.” And it does.
CoffeeforLife* August 24, 2019 at 9:14 am So so annoyed. I was checking my cc bill yesterday and noticed all these charges for Amazon. It seems someone ordered $200 worth of real estate exam books and had them delivered to a vrbo address (in my Amazon history) I stayed in 6 years ago. They also ordered over $300 worth of kids movies to download. WFT. I don’t know how it was done as I have 2 factor authentication, I’ve changed passwords recently, I dont share items. I can only think that I had an old Firestick that had my account info and they used that?? The VRBO could just be a pickup point for the delivery – used to live in that city so it’s very likely it’s someone I know frauding me. I did get all the charges reversed after explaining 3 times why I couldn’t actually return the books.ugh. I deleted all of my linked devices and changed my passwords. Just grr.
How much $?* August 24, 2019 at 10:57 am Happens to me every 3 years or so and I assume my data has escaped into the Dark Web via a data breach from “pick your choice” business. I assume you are getting a new cc issued?
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:08 am I have my credit cards set up to send me a text anytime there is a charge. Most credit cards will let you do this. This gives me great peace of mind. Sorry you had to deal with that. Glad you could get the charges reversed.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 24, 2019 at 9:23 am Unexpected side benefit of my attempts to leatn hackysack: I just dropped a bowl and instinctively got my foot under it before it shattered on the tile.
Beatrice* August 24, 2019 at 4:30 pm I dropped an oversize coffee mug last weekend and it landed on my toe, and my toe is still some lovely shades of purple and green from it. I didn’t break the mug, though! Or the toe, it’s just bruised.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 25, 2019 at 7:20 am Ouch! I probably would have been equally bruised if I weren’t wearing shoes. I long ago started wearing shoes when doing dishes because I had something slip and shatter on the counter and land on/in my bare feet. Darned lucky there was another adult home to clean up the shards before I had to walk on them.
Arjay* August 26, 2019 at 4:16 pm I broke a toe that way. The thanksgiving turkey platter slid out of its box when I was moving it and I caught it with my foot. Oops. The ortho said it was the first time he’d seen a Thanksgiving related injury in March!
Stitch* August 24, 2019 at 9:34 am Minor breastfeeding rant. I can’t seem to find the calorie intake where I can both pump enough milk at work to keep up with my baby but not gain weight. If I cut back calories, my milk supply goes down. If I eat more, I pump enough but then again weight. Argh.
Sopranistin* August 24, 2019 at 12:56 pm This sounds super frustrating! Sorry you’re dealing with it. But know what a wonderful thing you’re doing for your little one. How old is your baby? I’m breastfeeding my almost 12-month old but haven’t experienced this. Although, I only pump a few times a week bc I work part time, so I can’t track my exact output. I wonder if there’s a way to adjust your pumping schedule to up your supply? Just as a side note, there’s a Kellymom breastfeeding and pumping facebook group I’ve found immensely helpful for asking questions and troubleshooting. You may be able to get some good feedback there, if you’re looking for ideas.
Stitch* August 24, 2019 at 3:16 pm My son is about 7 months old. I am able to nurse him during lunch so I try to stay on his schedule.
HBJ* August 24, 2019 at 6:08 pm Up your water intake maybe? This affects my supply the most. If I drop much below half my body weight in ounces per day, my supply will dip about 24 hours later. Once I get back up above that, my supply increases again after about a day.
Mephyle* August 24, 2019 at 7:50 pm I was thinking this, too. It’s not only calorie intake, but fluid intake that ensures enough milk. Water, other low or no-calorie drinks are one way to go, but there’s also choosing more wetter foods, such as soups.
Stitch* August 25, 2019 at 12:36 am I did try that, unfortunately. I have a liter bottle and drink several a day.
HBJ* August 24, 2019 at 6:10 pm Oh, and also I know women who simply can’t lose the last few pounds until they’re completely done producing milk. :/
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 8:14 pm Yup. This was me. Nursing did NOT make the baby weight easier to lose. I lost it when I stopped. Also, as long as I was nursing my joints wouldn’t tighten back up. I had that pregnancy loose-ligament thing the whole time. Hormones, man. They do not read the manual about how they’re supposed to behave.
Carriem* August 25, 2019 at 1:05 pm That’s why I weaned my last baby when I did. My knee joints would NOT stay in place. Ironically, I’d been reluctant, as she was small for her age. On formula she actually did better than she’d been doing on BM. So basically, lots of reasons for me to stop in hindsight.
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 25, 2019 at 4:07 am +1 for KellyMom, and for “you may need to chill until baby is weaned”. That said, there are foods which increase and suppress milk supply. If you are decreasing your calorie intake then making sure you get calories in the right kinds of foods could be helpful. Lots of resources online, but whole oats, dark chocolate, fenugreek, apricots, etc.
Carriem* August 25, 2019 at 12:58 pm I just wanted to pop in to say, I’ve BF my 6 kids. For me, stopping BF is what made me lose weight. Especially after the 6 month mark, my body seemed to assume that I would be feeding this kiddo for the rest of their natural life, so I better start putting some calories away to prepare. My OB said that is totally normal for some people. I just wanted to let you know, if you’re not able to control it with calories, it may just be how your body is. Things will be a lot easier to manage when you wean (whenever you are ready for that)
Happy Lurker* August 25, 2019 at 10:18 pm I lost the first baby’s pregnancy weight when he learned to walk and then quickly learned to run. That was at about month 11-12. The midwife calmly explained to me that it took 9 months to put the weight on and I should be patient to get the weight off. That statement helped me immensely. Also, I would feed on one side and pump the other to ramp up supply and always have some extra milk in the freezer. Sleep was my biggest issue with milk production. The second biggest was red wine. I had to drastically increase my sleep and limit my wine to 1 glass a night and 2 a week tops. I nursed each child for 2 years and still miss that quiet time with each. Enjoy it! It goes so fast. I dropped that baby off for sophomore year at college today.
Shary* August 24, 2019 at 9:35 am Still moving. Thursday and Friday I went to safety training for my major. It was exhausting, but also very good to see everyone again. I have a dish pattern that I LOVE. I was able to get a set of over 50 dishes off Facebook market place and I’m so happy. They need to be washed badly though. This more than doubles the number of dishes I have. And it was between 1-2 dollars a dish. My family dog has been brought to live with me since I have a yard. She is in really bad shape. :( She doesn’t sleep through the night and she wines very often. I’m going to set up an appointment to take her to the vet when my parents come to visit, just to get an idea of how she is doing and how much pain she is in. Thanks for listening, and, thanks so much for the encouragement and commiseration. It’s just words on a screen, but it does help so, so much.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 10:20 am She was curled up on my dirty laundry pile, seemingly untroubled. I hope she’s fine. It could have also been the washer or dryer that made that noise.
Goose Lavel* August 24, 2019 at 11:27 am Misha needs to see a vet. Her symptoms are serious and it sounds to me like she is in a great deal of pain.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 11:33 am She’d scheduled for Friday. My mom feels so bad she didn’t notice Misha was on the decline. Being uprooted might also be contributing to her poor health. I’m honestly expecting Friday might be the day I have to say good bye. If not, we’ll still have to wait on blood tests. I’ve already talked with mom about how we would want to handle her send off. We’ll get some locks of her fur and I’ll turn them into art. I’m not sure on the details yet, I’ll need to do more research. Or maybe I’ll just send it along to an Etsy artist since there is just so much going on in my life right now. She’s had a good 16, almost 17 years. If we send her off that Friday I think we’ll have had her for 16 years exactly. Poor old girl.
anon for this* August 24, 2019 at 12:09 pm She sounds as if she needs a vet visit immediately. I agree with Goose Lavel that your dog sounds like she is in a great deal of pain, and a week is a long time to continue to be in that pain.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 1:02 pm There is a lot of difficulty for me, personally, to take her there, but I can manage it. I’m going to call her vet and see what she thinks. Hopefully she can make it until Friday on tramadol or a more intensive medication regimen. I’d really like to be able to wait until my parents visit me, so we can send her off as a family. But if she needs to leave us now, she needs to leave us now.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:13 am Good luck. If she is having trouble sleeping with pain, would a better doggie bed help? Like a good mattress can help a person with back pain? Perhaps a doggie bed with a warming insert?
Shay* August 25, 2019 at 6:45 am Yeah, that seems to have helped. (Moving sucks) I dug around the boxes until I found a dog bed, the one designed for old dogs with arthritis and the box also had the doggie heating pad insert. So I set that up for her and she barely left it. No more whining / barking. It made me sad that when I sat down to pet / cuddle her she’d startle at being touched. But right away she would adjust and burrow into the bed and show me her tummy and sigh. I also feel like I over stated the whining issue. She did wake me up in the middle of the night two nights ago, barking and whining. And it’s incredibly hard on me from a health perspective to be woken up like that. So I was very grumpy and disoriented writing that part. She slept most of the day yesterday. I called her old vet (the one my parents took her to see) and he told me she does have a prescription for Tramadol so I found that and gave that to her before going to sleep tonight. She didn’t wake me up once and was much calmer in the evening.
Elspeth Mcgillicuddy* August 25, 2019 at 2:08 pm Makes me wonder if her vision is going. Our old dog used to startle when you touched her because she couldn’t see it coming. Might also explain why she’s complaining, if she can’t see her new house.
Shay* August 24, 2019 at 1:05 pm I’ve done a ton of laundry, including folding the clothes (the hardest part!). I cut out shelf lining for another cabinet. I washed the dishes and arranged them in the shelf. I’ve been relaxing in between tasks, mostly petting Misha and monitoring her. I hope I’m not burnt out from working already. I’d *really* like finish at least half of the kitchen today. I hate that I’m starting classes with a house in chaos.
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 9:36 am Two-part q. My mom wants to go to NOLA ( bucket list thing. Dad died in 2016). She’s 73 and in good health but getting a bit less mobile. I’m pretty broke (maxed out credit cards, student loans, etc). How bad is it to take say, $2k out of my meager 401k to pay my airfare, share of hotel? I mean, I understand there are penalties but I think it would be worse to feel sad and guilty if we don’t ever go and she dies. I’ve put her off for 2 years. Second q: if we go, when is the best time to book flights to go xmas week?
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 9:37 am Adding, I am 49 so not a lot of time to catch up for retirement. Not that I’ll ever be able to.
valentine* August 24, 2019 at 10:07 am Is that the only or the cheapest way to do it? Could your parents treat you or give you a loan? Can you use a credit card, then do a balance transfer?
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 10:31 am I think mom and my aunt would cover me for some of this. I can’t do a credit card. I have 3, all maxed.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:23 am I don’t recommend taking money out of a 401K, especially for a vacation. How much do you need for the trip, and how much can you save per week, and how long will it take you to get there? If that just won’t work, I think you would be better off decreasing your 401K contributions for a while until you have the money. But, I hate to recommend this – so many of us are woefully undersaving for retirement. Which means we will have a really miserable retirement. Are you sure you want to go Christmas week? Christmas week in popular places like NOLA are crazy. ANd more expensive. If you go in the off season, prices will be cheaper. I hope you can go with your mom and have fun. And win $2000 in the lottery. Or by filling out customer satisfaction surveys that are on sales receipts.
C Average* August 24, 2019 at 10:17 am I may live to regret it (I’m 45 now), but I took money out of my IRA in order to spend three months with my sister during her cancer treatments, and I am glad I did. I used the money to support myself and not be a drain on her resources and to take us on a trip to Iceland. She’s okay now, mostly, but her body will never be the same again and travel is hard for her. I’m grateful I was able to spend that time with her. She may not be around when I retire, though I hope she is. Explore other options first, of course. But if that’s the only resource you’ve got, I don’t think it’s horrible to use some of it to make a memory with someone you love.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 2:43 pm If it was a Roth IRA, that’s not too bad–you can take your contributions back out without taxation or penalty. A 401k will mean both taxes and a penalty on top of it.
The Francher Kid* August 24, 2019 at 10:18 am NOLA isn’t busy in December and prices are generally lower. I usually go the week before Xmas. I don’t think it’s too early to start looking into flights and hotels. I would not rent a car, parking is difficult and costly and driving in New Orleans is a nightmare. New Orleans, especially the French Quarter, requires a lot of walking. A Lot. If your mom is less mobile, you might want to consider both staying in the French Quarter in order to have a room close by for resting (rather than staying in the Garden District or other area that would require a taxi or streetcar ride to get to) and possibly renting a scooter or wheelchair to help her get around. Since a link will send this into moderation (I think), I would suggest you google gonola.com and experienceneworleans.com for a list of events in December. I would check with anything you’re specifically interested in seeing to make sure it won’t close during Xmas week.
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 10:35 am Definitely no car. Mom has a bad knee but is very energetic. She seems to think the streetcar will suffice. I’m not so sure. We want to stay at the Hilton by the river, but not married to it.
Monte* August 24, 2019 at 3:15 pm I stayed there a few months ago and would not recommend it — just kind of dumpy. But also, it is massive, and the walk just to get in and out of the building is not insignificant. God forbid you leave something in your room, it could take you a solid 10 minutes to retrieve it (and I am healthy and fully mobile). I would suggest that if you do go, you research some other options.
The Francher Kid* August 24, 2019 at 4:51 pm I love riding the streetcars, but they are not built for comfort. The steps are steep and the cars jerk a lot, much worse if you have to stand (locals use them so they can get crowded at certain times). You also need exact change for the fare, the conductors cannot make change and they don’t take debit or credit cards. They tend to take you fairly close to places but not right up to them, if that makes sense. You’ll still have to get off and walk a good deal. There are online maps of New Orleans that will show you where everything is and where the streetcar lines are so you can get an idea of what you’d be in for. I’d really think about staying in the Quarter so you don’t have to walk 5 or more blocks just to get there (the distance from the Hilton Riverside to Canal St is 4-7 blocks–the streetcar will take you to Canal but you’ve still got several blocks to walk to actually get into the Quarter). I like the Hotel Villa Convento, if you can get a first floor room. It’s old and very no frills (don’t trust the elevator!) but it’s clean, inexpensive, and right in the Quarter. You might also check the Hotel St. Marie and the Prince Conti (they are part of the same hotel group). My husband has a bad knee from his military service and having a room nearby to rest has made all the difference on our trips. I’m not trying to scare you off, I love NOLA and we go every year, just want to make sure you’re aware so you can plan.
BRR* August 24, 2019 at 10:36 am I hate to say this but don’t think you should do it. If the only way you can do this is with taking money from your 401k and your credits cards are maxed out, it might just have to be a bucket list item that doesn’t get checked off.
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 12:49 pm Yeah, the maxed out credit cards are a worrisome sign to me. Save up the money, then go. Or drive there or have another person go along to split costs, etc. Some more brainstorming is needed. I hope you leave your 401k as is.
Ginger ale for all* August 24, 2019 at 11:07 pm I agree. Is there a part time job you can get? Perhaps you can donate plasma for extra money for this. The trip sounds good, but you take a 40% hit if you take money out of your retirement accounts from what I have heard.
Anon from the Bronx* August 24, 2019 at 11:31 am Several things to consider. Does your plan even allow withdrawals while you are still working? Some don’t. Some require you take a loan first, which could be an option for you. Any withdrawal is taxable as income to you. There will be 20% federal withholding required so to net $2000, you will need to actually withdraw $2500. At tax time, you are also subject to an additional 10% penalty on the gross amount. And state tax if that applies to you. So, an expensive trip for you. But you might still want to do it. NOLA is awesome & fun in December. I went last year with friends for 4 days. I am almost your mother’s age & we had a great time. And we really didn’t spend a crazy amount. Food & drink were very reasonably priced. Truthfully, if you can possibly manage that cost, I say go for it. You will never get back that time with your mother.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 2:45 pm Good point–there may also be required state withholding on top of that.
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 10:13 pm I borrowed against my 401K (did not do a withdrawal), under a hardship. Then lost the job, couldn’t pay it back. Then found out that with the regular penalty plus federal and state tax… I owed 55% of the original amount. I am all for the “pick a future date and do a side hustle.” You can also divert all money from bonuses, cash gifts for Christmas/ birthday, etc. 73 and in good health is not super urgent. And the anticipation can be part of the fun of the trip. She can work on her mobility (exercising, thinking about balance, how many steps she will need to take) and it may give her motivation. (one of the guys that age that used to Scuba dive with us, went to the gym daily in order to keep up the physical stamina to scuba – it was the one thing he loved). Stream movies set in NOLA; have her check out books and make a list of must see things. Decide what you can give up to save for it. This gives you an opportunity to pay down the CC enough to be able to put the hotel deposit and or rental car deposit on it. (you might have to have a cc, even if you are going to check out with a debit card – chains/hotels vary). I have a set of friends at least 5 years past that age, and they are all still moving, exercising, and traveling. This Christmas, why not give each other the gift of planning the fun, and saving towards it, and preparing? (Says she who is saving like mad for retirement because, well… things went awry).
MysteryFan* August 24, 2019 at 10:30 pm Yes, if there is a possibility of getting a Loan from the 401K, that would be the way to go. Non-taxable, no early withdrawal penalty.. way better.
Anona* August 24, 2019 at 12:09 pm Can you do something like take a temporary side hustle to save money for this, with the goal of going December 2020? Something like driving for Lyft, or taking a holiday job at Target, or working at a restaurant on weekends? Think of how victorious it will feel to pay for it with no debt, no withdrawal! To be like- it was hard, but I made this happen.
Lilith* August 24, 2019 at 12:38 pm Can you stop putting money into your 401k for awhile & use that same dedicated amount as your savings to get to $2000?
Auntie Social* August 24, 2019 at 12:32 pm How much money does Mom have? Can she pay for you, or pay half?
Auntie Social* August 24, 2019 at 12:56 pm Oh, and you’re going to need room on your credit cards if you’re going to rent a car. You may find Ubering cheaper–hotels charge quite a bit to park your car overnight. So it could be that your mom has to rent the car if she still has a license, and add you as a second driver.
C Average* August 24, 2019 at 9:38 am I’m in Florence with my partner. We’re taking the train to Orvieto tomorrow and we’ll spend a week there attending a seminar before heading back to Rome and flying home. It’s beautiful here. Our Airbnb overlooks the Santa Croce piazza. I’m finishing my novel–about 30 pages to go–and will workshop it at a writing workshop in November. My draft is due September 15–yikes! I’m hoping to get a lot of revision plus the remaining writing done while my partner is doing the seminar. Life is extremely not fair in my favor right now.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 11:57 am Orvieto is amazing. Have lots of fun and definitely try the local wine!
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 4:48 pm Enjoy your trip, and bring me back some magic favor dust, lol.
Seeking Second Childhood* August 25, 2019 at 7:44 am You’re in Florence. That makes up for so very much! I was there once and so very much want to go back when I’m not on a tour.
PX* August 24, 2019 at 9:39 am Anyone following the Ashes? England getting bowled out for 67 when they had SUCH a good chance to win the game is possibly one of the most hilarious things to happen this year.
PX* August 24, 2019 at 10:18 am Yup. They’re putting up a fight in their second innings though which is a bit annoying for me. Would have loved to see Australia finish them off with a day and 2 matches to spare :’D
Quandong* August 24, 2019 at 6:40 pm Yes, it’s such a dreadful score, ha! It would be bad for Twenty20!! But a test innings…
London Calling* August 25, 2019 at 4:05 am England fans are pretty used to collapses over the years. Mind you, I feel for my brother, England fan living in Australia.
Sprechen Sie Talk?* August 25, 2019 at 9:26 am We are – the England collapse was pretty spectacular amongst all collapses they have ever had.
Charlotte* August 24, 2019 at 9:45 am I don’t understand the notion that not wanting to have children is selfish somehow, especially given that one of the biggest arguments people give for having them is to have someone to look after them in their old age. Humans aren’t at any risk of extinction any time soon – and really, having more kids and increasing population is probably more likely to bring about extinction than not having them – so why is this topic still such a sticking point?
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 9:54 am I’d say because it’s been the accepted convention for so long that it’s difficult for people to break free of it. We’re expected to grow up, get a job, have kids, and then see the cycle repeat. Some people get weird when the status quo is threatened and so they do the whole thing of “oh, but you’ll change your mind”. Honestly though, that argument of wanting kids so that you have someone to look after you in your old age is one that really bothers me. Lots of people don’t have good relationships with their parents for a number of reasons and it’s not guaranteed that the child will be there in the old age.
valentine* August 24, 2019 at 10:10 am I find it’s people who are terrified you’re getting away with something, the ones who think becoming a parent, especially of biological children, especially for a woman, cures alleged selfishness by forcing you to put someone else first. They’re just projecting and they want you to suffer as they did, which makes parenting sound like a nightmare, so they’re defeating their own purpose there.
Stitch* August 24, 2019 at 10:21 am It doesn’t really sound like those parents enjoyed having kids. I had my son because I wanted to. Not out of any sense of duty. I do think it’s selfish to have kids and then expect others to bear the burden. My sister in law had a planned baby with the full plan that my retired father in law would provide daycare for the baby. My father in law never was consulted in this plan. He does it because she can’t afford childcare otherwise, but it does seem very selfish to me to have a kid with the plan that someone else bears a large burden for you.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 10:24 am A girlfriend and I JUST had this conversation — she’s a pretty young mom and 90% of the “advice” she got when she announced her pregnancy involved the phrase “just you wait until…” Drove her batty — she was just mystified, like, does anyone actually LIKE their kids? Or enjoy being a parent? And it made her feel stupid for enjoying motherhood.
Clisby* August 24, 2019 at 12:12 pm Yeah, I didn’t have my children out of altruism. I really wanted them, and have loved having them. I’m not going to claim that was “unselfish” – I did it because it was something I wanted. If I hadn’t wanted them, remaining childfree would have been what I wanted, and I’d have done that.
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 10:07 am I’m with you. My mother tried pulling that “selfish” crap on me when I told her my spouse and I did not want children. We’re supposed to make life-altering decisions that we have no interest in just to make you happy? Really, who’s the one being selfish.
Stitch* August 24, 2019 at 10:09 am As someone with a kid, God, no. Choosing to not have children is a mature and reasonable choice. Not selfish at all. Part of me thinks this sentiment comes from people who really didn’t want kids but felt obligated. It’s an awful thing to say.
C Average* August 24, 2019 at 10:10 am I don’t see why it’s objectionable to be selfish by not having kids! If someone accused me of having selfish motives for remaining child-free, I’d be like, “Yeah, and that’s a problem why? Yes, I do want to enjoy vacations and quiet time and hobbies and all the other stuff that’s exponentially harder for parents to enjoy. It’s 2019, not 1800, so I get to make that choice. Let’s all celebrate the fact that childbearing is a choice, not every woman’s destiny.” (And I used to have full-time stepkids before my divorce, so I probably have more insights into the choice I’m making than some people. Selfish or not, it’s 100% the right approach for me.)
Overeducated* August 24, 2019 at 3:08 pm I don’t think it’s objectionable at all, but I also think intentionally having kids can be just as selfish. I think a lot about climate change, refugees, and the world my kids will inherit. It would be more selfless not to give birth to more Americans who will have an outsized environmental impact and potentially suffer from the choices of my and my parents’ and grandparents’ generations. I chose to have two anyway and the reasons are truly selfish.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 10:21 am A lot of it just a pretty vanilla logical fallacy* that has the “bonus” of being based on people’s subjective, but projected, experiences. “I became so much less selfish when I became a parent. So people who choose not to become parents must not be on that same path and are just as selfish as I was before I had kids.” You’ve pinged that, of course, not all parents actually DO become less selfish! Many do, IMO — it’s pretty tough not to when you’re responsible for the literal survival of extremely demanding and needy small humans. But what so many people (regardless of life stage, relationship status, having or not-having kids, whatever) don’t seem to really understand, or at least act like they don’t understand, is that everyone’s life has the ability to make them better or worse, and that our choices within that life path are what cultivate selfishness or unselfishness, improvement or stagnation, maturity or arrested development. Parenting doesn’t inherently have the ability to make us less selfish, but it definitely can provide plenty of good opportunities. Other ways of living might have different opportunities, but that doesn’t mean non-parents can’t or don’t cultivate unselfishness. It’s helpful for me to realize a couple things: that everyone’s life circumstances are able to help people become better versions of themselves, AND that everyone has a tendency to think that other people’s life circumstances are… not prioritizing well, or bringing out the wrong traits, or focusing on the wrong things, when it comes to other people’s personal growth. *Denying the Antecedent, if you care. It goes like: If you have are a teacher, you work at a school You are not a teacher Therefore, you do not work at a school. Obviously this isn’t how logic works, but people use “reasoning” like this all the time without thinking about it.
The Messy Headed Momma* August 24, 2019 at 10:36 am When people ask my husband if we have kids his reply is, “Nope. We have freedom & silence.”
Victoria, Please* August 24, 2019 at 10:43 am Some of it’s rooted in religious belief, of course. The church I used to attend justified excluding women from the priesthood because women had the sacred creative duty of and direct connection to God via childbearing, which was denied to men. The priesthood was a consolation prize for men, my dears! I kind of stopped listening at that point, but after that, God’s will, blah blah, spiritual development, blah blah, closeness to God, blah blah… If you as a woman didn’t want children because you were afraid, didn’t like children, or wanted your own identity that did not involve motherhood, that was a sinful attitude to repent. The alternative to motherhood was celibate — oh lord, what is the word, it escapes me. In short, become a nun. Nope, not Roman Catholic!
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:26 am There’s a really good conversation in the Carolyn Hax Friday open chat on this, and here was a commenter’s excellent take: Not having children you don’t want, and living the life you desire, or having children you don’t need, but want, and also living the life you desire? Answer: Neither! Doing what makes you happy is not being selfish, it’s being self aware. There’s nothing noble about having children, and there’s nothing noble about not having children. Why do people feel the need to beat each other up over wanting something different out of life?
Goose Lavel* August 24, 2019 at 11:33 am I believe most children are not planned and just happen. I’m a grandfather of two and neither was planned. My son wasn’t planned and I know that me and my two brothers weren’t planned. Life is what happens when you are busy making plans!
Kiki* August 24, 2019 at 11:35 am I’ve seen people call it selfish for two reasons: 1) A parent of a childless person thinks it is selfish that their child won’t think of them and give them a grandchild. 2) Not having a child means you don’t have to be concerned about a child, therefore you’ll mostly be acting out of self interest, which people think is selfish. I think both these reasons are bunk. For #1, It is not selfish to consider your own desires and needs and hold those in higher standing than the desires of your parent, especially when that decision affects your life the most. For #2, sure, not having a child could mean some people only want to care about themself, but most childless people have people in their lives they care about. And plenty of selfish people continue to be selfish once they have kids. Having kids does not make you a better or worse person. It just makes you a person with kids.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm My lovely, amazing midwife chose never to partner or have children of her own because of the way she worked. She couldn’t be on-call 24-7 to attend laboring women with no concern for how long she’d be away from home, if she had kids at home. It was completely a self-sacrifice to love and serve others, because she absolutely loved children!
!* August 24, 2019 at 11:37 am I think it takes a lot more thought to decide NOT to have a child than it does to have one. It takes a conscious effort to prevent pregnancy, and even to the point of making a permanent change (sterilization). Thankfully I am now past the age that anyone would bug me about having a kid, and only a few people said something but only once. This is a decision I have never regretted, I had no interest in being responsible for another human being to that extent. Hell, the only pets I ever had were cats because they were independent and not glued to my hip like a dog would be. I honestly don’t think my parents should have had kids either, they were just no good at being parents.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 12:01 pm I think it’s probably because selfish people do not tend to make good parents. So people associate not having kids with being selfish.
Overeducated* August 24, 2019 at 12:38 pm I don’t even think it’s rational. I thought that when I was about 10, then realized that no one owes anything to humanity or nonexistent children.
Jellyfish* August 24, 2019 at 12:44 pm I always felt the perception was if you don’t have children, you’re a perpetual teenager. Teenagers are selfish, ergo people without children are selfish. I think both assumptions are BS, but seems to be where a lot of people are coming from when they say that.
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 24, 2019 at 1:07 pm For me, it’s totally selfish. I don’t want to have kids because I don’t want to change my lifestyle to one that is kid friendly. Nobody gets to throw tantrums on my 4-6 yearly Disneyworld trips but me! (Not that I do, but I don’t want to listen to anyone else doing it either.)
Morning reader* August 24, 2019 at 1:12 pm This “selfish” accusation is one that I have only ever seen online, never in person. It baffles me because I think the exact opposite is true. People (or organisms of any kind) reproduce because they want their genes to persist. It’s not the person or organism itself that is consciously selfish but the genes. You have children because you want your own biological children. How is that not selfish? If you were not selfish, you’d just raise other children who already exist, if the goal were simply to be a parent. A truly selfless person would not be motivated to have biological children. If the answer is that having children is supposed to make selfish people less so by giving them others to put above their own interests… I don’t follow. Putting your own children (because they are yours) above others’ interests is still selfish. And if someone is truly, narcissistic level selfish they should probably not have children at all. Reproduction is not a cure for that.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 9:31 pm I heard the selfish nonsense in the 60s and 70s. By 1980 or so it seemed to taper off for me. I had hoped it died a natural death but I see that is not the case. I did have one person in my life explain to me that I don’t know what love really is because I don’t have a child. I bit my tongue. I wanted to point out that if the speaker knew what love really is she never would have been able to say that to me, because of her love for me. I should have said something. In the end after many more thoughtless remarks, I gave up with my person entirely.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:40 am I have had parents explain the love thing to me (a childless person) a bit differently: They tell me that since I do not have children, I can’t quite fully understand the depth of love that is possible for one’s child. That I can’t quite understand how fiercely I would love and cherish and protect my child. They say that how they thought about this love before they had children just could not compare to how they felt after having children. That having children changes this stuff in a way that childless (or perhaps most childless) people just can’t understand. They are comparing their thoughts and understanding before they had children with their thoughts and understanding after having children. I think that the people telling me this are probably right. But, my parents had children because that was what God said you had to do, and they did not seem to enjoy having children at all.
Zombie Unicorn* August 25, 2019 at 8:34 am I’m a survivor of child abuse so god help anyone who tries this deep love crap with me.
..Kat..* August 26, 2019 at 2:38 am I am likewise such a survivor. So no, I did not experience this kind of love and protection as a child. I am sorry that you had to go through a similar childhood.
Not So NewReader* August 25, 2019 at 1:36 pm My person tried this deep love stuff with me and I said that sounds more like emotional slavery than love. I guess context would be good here. Parent paid very expensive parking ticket for their 30 year old child, because Child had a part time retail job and was “finding themselves”. Then Parent says that Parent themselves has no money for food because of paying the Child’s parking ticket. Meanwhile Parent is on full disability. (Some meds have to be taken on a full stomach.) Then we go into I don’t know what love is because I would not pay a parking ticket and forego food. (I made the terrible mistake of saying, “You can’t be without food!”) I do see a saner version of this though. A while ago, four family members each lost an adult child. The four family members (the parents) were also gone within two years of the adult child’s passing. (Yes, eight people all total.) The heartbreak is that tremendous that it kills. See the same pattern with surviving spouses, stats show it cuts across any demographic. Teenage me got interested in genealogy. And as you go along through the generations, you can see the same patterns I mention here with parent/child or spouses. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a powerful bond. I also know that other bonds can be of similar intensity.
The Rat-Catcher* August 26, 2019 at 3:21 pm I dunno. I have children and I certainly do love them, and yes, it’s different than how I love my spouse or family or friends, but it’s not better or “the only real love” or whatever thing.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 1:15 pm Honestly, I think it’s because the small subset of people without children who feel that opting out of parenting should entitle them to live a life where they never encounter kids or shoulder part of the shared burden of having kids in a society. Most people I know who’ve decided not to have kids are thoughtful people who’ve made a carefully-considered decision about how they want their lives to look and decided that parenthood wasn’t in the plan. Nothing selfish about that! But there’s that tiny yet vocal minority who complain about paying school taxes, kids being loud in shared public space, etc., and I think they create an unfair stereotype.
Zombie Unicorn* August 24, 2019 at 1:19 pm I think it may be because if you don’t have kids your life is more likely to revolve around you in terms of how you spend your money and time. I think having kids is an inherently selfish act though!
Acornia* August 24, 2019 at 1:29 pm Other than online, I have only really heard the “selfish” accusation coming from women who want to be a grandma. Which is its own irony, because basically they are complaining that THEY DON’T **GET** TO BE GRANDPARENTS and someone else should do all the work of raising a child so that they can be grandparents and spoil kids they don’t have to raise or support? Who exactly is the selfish one in that scenario? Hmmmmm……. No one is entitled to grandparenthood.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 5:06 pm My two cents: I think it’s more than one thing, but definitely starts from entrenched sexist ideas about women. We’re more emotional; we’re more nurturing; this means we all should be mothers; if you don’t want to be, you’re unfeminine; and on and on and on. Plus, a lot of people have kids and then get really wrapped up in them. They lose perspective. I get that (if you want them) kids are amazing, but nobody thinks as much of your child as you do, even if little Wadsworth is trilingual and the best behaved toddler in town. They don’t understand how you could ever not want one. It’s like ex-smokers getting really militant about smoking. See also the Garfunkel & Oates song “Pregnant Women are Smug,” lol. And finally, nobody ever talks about the tough parts of parenting. Being just a boob and not a human, never getting to go to the bathroom alone, how truly awful the sleep deprivation is (someone I knew nearly burned her house down when she went off and left a pot on the stove), tantrums, poo/pee/snot/vomit everywhere, the endless worry, sibling fights, the expense, the destruction (see shitmykidsruined dot com), etc. No, it’s always sunshine and roses, all the time, like a human Facebook post. (Disclaimer: If the right person came along this minute and wanted to have a baby with me, and the universe were so inclined as to allow it, I still would totally do it.)
Call me St. Vincent* August 25, 2019 at 1:38 pm I would like to state for the record that I have two kids under 4 who I love dearly and are so wanted, but damn do I understand people who choose not to have children! I 200% understand not wanting kids! Sometimes I think about the life my husband and I could be enjoying if we had decided not to have kids and it would be truly fantastic. Our life with two little kids is full of joy, but it’s just different. Having kids is no joke and I truly believe that people should only have kids if they literally cannot see themselves not having them! If you’re not sure, I would say don’t do it. Pregnancy is really hard and was very hard on my body. Childbirth whether vaginal or c-section is REALLY hard on your body. Breastfeeding is hard on your body. Having kids is hard on a marriage–it’s exhausting. In my case, it was truly worth it, but parenting is f-ing hard! No one should sugarcoat it!
Anon Librarian* August 24, 2019 at 7:02 pm One reason is the idea that you’re supposed to continue your family lineage and pass along your DNA because that’s why your parents had you, why your grandparents had your parents, etc. But that presumes that you’re really, really unique and special. And you are. But so is everyone. You might be a creative genius and the world’s fastest runner, but there will be more creative geniuses and super fast runners whether you have kids or not. Honestly, I think being a bad parent is more selfish. Having kids for the wrong reasons is a common cause of that. But people who think people who don’t have kids are selfish usually won’t change their minds about it. So I just smile and nod and avoid them as much as I can.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 3:51 pm I don’t think I’ve ever run across anyone who thought that, but it’s always possible. I think it’s more likely that human beings as a species are hard-wired to want offspring, because any successful species needs to have offspring in order to escape extinction. Sure, individual humans can think their way out of this, but as a group, biology matters more than thinking.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 8:24 pm I got told I was selfish for getting married and having kids. My narcissistic older relative believed my job in life was to be her free live-in caretaker. Which is especially odd, since I had never, ever lived with her nor been her caretaker. She just decided it was time for that to happen, and resented the fact that I already had a life and was immune to her commands. Similarly, I think you have to look at the source of this notion about being childfree being “selfish.” Is it something a person in your real life has said to you? Any chance that person is manipulative or narccistic? Or comes from a background where families “own” the children/grandchildren, rather than believing people are individuals first? Or is it something you see/hear thrown around in media or online? Because you can pick any ridiculous, nonsensical opinion and find somebody who is spouting it somewhere. It’s BS. Always was.
Nervous Nellie* August 25, 2019 at 2:07 pm I was going to weigh in, but fposte said what I would have said, and much more eloquently than I might have. :) Writer Tim Krieder did a fascinating Op Ed in the NY Times about this very subject. The title of his piece is ‘The Referendum”. You might enjoy googling it and having a read. He reflects on the very different paths his friends’ lives followed than his has, and suggests that people often quietly question the choices they have made, and find reassurance in judging others’ choices to reaffirm their own. I would add that we also now live in a very judgmental world where everyone has gone from feeling entitled to critique local restaurants & public events, and now to weighing in on friends’ Facebook feeds. I feel that has exacerbated people’s need to tell others how to live. In the end, your choices are no one’s business but yours. We all must do what is right for us.
HannahS* August 25, 2019 at 4:17 pm I think it arises from people who didn’t really want kids, or who feel that having them required a lot of selfless sacrifice on their part—part of the whole toxic “being a mom means putting yourself last” thing. So then, they see people make the other choice, and not put themselves last, and they accuse the other person of being selfish. I want kids, myself, and I was raised by people who really wanted to be parents. My parents don’t feel that they sacrificed much to be parents, because it was something that they wanted. Similarly, even though I’m structuring my career and finances around eventually having children, and in the process giving up things that I want, it doesn’t feel sacrificial. It’s just a sensible trade-off. I hope that, as more and more people who don’t want kids are able to choose not to have them (both culturally and–gulp–legally), that whole phenomenon will die.
Llellayena* August 24, 2019 at 9:55 am I’m excited today! Tonight I’m going to the county fair where one of my quilts is on display and might have won something! I won’t know for sure until I’m there, so the anticipation is growing…
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 10:25 am Eep! Oh, I loved going to the quilt/needlecraft section at my county fair as a kid. And fingers crossed for you!
Llellayena* August 24, 2019 at 9:36 pm Second place in my category*!And another woman from my quilt guild got Best in Show! I’m thrilled! *The category is either wall hangings or modern quilts, the fair isn’t very clear about how they split the categories for judging.
Mid* August 24, 2019 at 10:05 pm Congrats!! I love quilts though I have no ability to make anything close to a quilt. Let us know how you did!
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 10:15 pm Woo hoo… congratulations for getting into the fair and the completion of what must be a great quilt! That is my very favorite part of the fair (and sometimes the only building I’m paying attention in). LOL. Love, love the creativity and wish you the best …
Kuododi* August 24, 2019 at 10:02 am Hopefully 3rd time will be the charm. I’m counting down to the lumpectomy on Tuesday. The closer I get…the more anxious I become. (I’ve been keeping in touch with family, friends and really talking through the nonsense with DH.). Physically, I am still in recovery mode from the lumpectomy so that breathing issue is still a nuisance. I’ve been walking the local malls so that should help keep the medical issues in check. DH has asked me to take it easy and not try to cram in a bunch of errands/tasks before Tuesday. (Concerned I’m going to overdo it and will find myself in a setback.) On a related topic, DH’s mother passed away last week following a lengthy illness. I can’t begin to tell y’all how much the good thoughts, prayers and best wishes have meant to us while I’m preparing for the next round of surgery. Blessings to you all!!!
Kuododi* August 24, 2019 at 10:06 am Technical issues today. Took multiple tries to get the darn thing to post. Probably nothing more than my trying to post off my phone! ;(
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:36 am Oh, man, Kuododi, I’m so sorry for the MIL passing and in the middle of all this. Even after a long illness, that’s it’s own thing. It sounds like your DH is being very wise in saying to you “Nonetheless, don’t overdo things.” Your making your own recovery harder isn’t going to help him or anybody. Good luck to you on Tuesday!
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 9:37 pm Very sorry about your MIL in the midst of all this. May Tuesday turn out to be lighter than expected. I will be thinking of you, especially on Tuesday.
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 10:18 pm Thinking of you today and on Tuesday too. Warm, healing thoughts and prayers if you’d like them. (and wonderful that your DH is so wise, even when he is probably feeling quite overwhelmed too… even after a lengthy illness there’s a great pang of parting, I’ve found… so my best to him, too.)
Laurie G.* August 25, 2019 at 9:09 am I’ve been following your posts, hoping to hear good news from you. Sending you good wishes and prayers for a full recovery. And I’m very sorry about your MIL.
Quandong* August 25, 2019 at 4:05 pm I’m sorry for the loss of DH’s mother. Wishing you a successful surgery on Tuesday and a smooth recovery afterward.
Aurora Leigh* August 24, 2019 at 10:24 am Any Downton Abbey fans here? Who else is excited for the movie?! I’m going with 2 good friends, and we already have our tickets for opening night!
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 10:25 am MY SOUL straight up LEFT MY BODY watching the trailer. I am SO SO EXCITED.
Stitch* August 24, 2019 at 10:41 am I’ll be the grouch who admits I loved the first season but not so much after that. They made everyone too nice. It was way more fun when you kind of hated some of them.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:24 am I’m with you, though for different reasons–it just went completely nuts in plot driving everything and character wandering all over the map. Still fun to watch Maggie Smith and the costumes, though.
Aurora Leigh* August 24, 2019 at 1:26 pm I agree, it did get quite soap opera-y, but that’s part of why I love it. It’s just so FUN in addition to the gorgeous costumes and setting. It’s a real escape, and the terribly sad parts are quite carathic.
Zombie Unicorn* August 24, 2019 at 1:20 pm Yeah, I stuck with it for a while but it just got worse and worse.
Person from the Resume* August 25, 2019 at 10:41 pm I was a massive fan of seasons 1 – 3 (I think). Honestly I found widowed Mary’s search for love boring. Also Poor Edith got way too much shit dumped on her. I found beautiful, lucky, ridiculously beloved Mary so boring. I watched all the way through the end, but I am not sure I’m going to ever watch this movie.
Utoh!* August 24, 2019 at 11:41 am I am SO freaking excited, but have no one to go to the movie with so will wait until I can rent it and watch at home..enjoy opening night!
MissBookworm* August 24, 2019 at 12:24 pm Me! I’m going with a good friend and her mom. We haven’t bought tickets yet, trying to decide which theater to go to (we live just over an hour from each other, but there are no good theaters mid-way so someone has to be the one to drive the distance). I think we’re going the first Saturday or Sunday.
Rebecca* August 24, 2019 at 12:26 pm I loved this show! I can’t wait to see the movie, but I’ll probably wait until it’s on DVD or streaming, as I don’t have anyone to go see it with, and I don’t like going alone.
Middle School Teacher* August 24, 2019 at 1:06 pm I am SO EXCITED. My friends and I are hoping it shows at a VIP theatre so we can have wine and food along with it!
Lilith* August 24, 2019 at 2:26 pm Theatres would be really smart to serve tea & scones with clotted cream during DA showings.
Nessun* August 25, 2019 at 12:36 am Oh I would adore that…but proper china in a movie setting- *le gasp*
valentine* August 24, 2019 at 10:25 am Is a wheat allergy all or nothing? Can you be allergic to the same wheat in one product, but not another or, if your body starts trying to murder you after you eat product x, is it a matter of time before it’ll do the same with product y?
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:11 am As far as medicine knows, there isn’t wheat “allergy.” What people have are dietary intolerances, which is another thing. Intolerances are highly variable. The other thing to keep in mind is usually you’re not reacting to “wheat” in toto but something in wheat. While most of the current popular conversation focuses on gluten, there’s more focus in the GI medical world on inulin, an insoluble fiber that’s a kind of sugar (fructose chains). Inulin is in wheat; it’s in some other vegetables; it’s also used on its own in a lot of packaged cereals and cereal-type products (granola bars, for instance). Not saying that’s what’s going on with you, necessarily, just that that might be worth considering (see the low FODMAP guide stuff for more info). As with any plant, wheat varies in its makeup from strain to strain and even from year to year, and cooking and processing can change dietary availability of some ingredients, kinds of sugars, etc. So your tolerance may vary and the offending ingredient level may vary. What can also happen, IMHO, is that a psychological association with the offending food can make a reaction more likely even with a smaller amount.
ButterflyHigh* August 24, 2019 at 12:21 pm That’s largely not true. I have a wheat Allergy. Yes people can be allergic to components in wheat but that doesn’t mean they aren’t allergic to wheat. Gluten and fiber may be in other foods, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t what is causing the allergy. Proteins specific to wheat is still wheat and still can cause allergies. It’s NOT a psychological response that causes this. Allergies means your body attacks the substance, intolerance means you don’t have enzymes to break down different good substances, sensitivity means you can’t process a lot at the same time. As for the op – allergies can come and go, intolerances don’t. People who grow out of intolerances probably had an allergy. Stress, thyroid functions, auto immune diseases can contribute to your allergic reactions. Yes, you can be more allergic to certain wheat products vs others. The more processed the wheat is, the less I react. It also depends on how much fat or fiber there is. Look at elimination diet. They are often used by doctor’s to see what is triggering your reactions.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:43 pm Whether individuals believe they have a wheat allergy or not, medicine doesn’t hold the opinion that there is such a thing. I’m not saying it couldn’t be true; I’m saying that it’s not currently a medical diagnosis. “Allergy” actually means a histamine reaction, not just that your body attacks the substance; celiac disease, for instance, is an autoimmune response to gluten but not an allergy. Nor did I say it was *merely* a psychological response–I said you can gain a psychological association with an offending food that can enhance your reactivity. I went with IMHO because I haven’t looked at studies for that but it’s pretty common with my Crohn’s and with a lot of other people I know with GI disorders and intolerances–the worry about being out and about when you consume lactose, for instance, can mean you’ll respond to it worse than you would have if you were at home. I agree that an elimination diet such as the low FODMAP diet would be a good plan.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:58 pm My apologies–Agnodike is correct that I confused wheat allergy with non-celiac gluten sensitivity.
ButterflyHigh* August 25, 2019 at 8:25 am I get that you want to help, but Histamine response is an autoimmune response. While we have great minds, stress is more as a factor in triggering allergies over just thinking about it. Fodmap diet is not an elimination diet and should not be done first because it eliminates way too much and doesn’t identify allergens. Pleaseensurr you’re giving correct info, unless if you have some kind of health background or are a doctor, your info can really hurt someone in the long run.
JobHunter* August 24, 2019 at 1:13 pm Wheat allergies are real, and are characterized by a CD4+ T cell response and IgE production. The epitopes (motifs that trigger immune responses) found in wheat proteins are different than those for celiac disease or other health conditions.
Red* August 25, 2019 at 1:09 am I too have a documented (they checked 5 ways) wheat and gluten allergy. I am STILL salty about it 3 years later.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 12:47 pm Uh, nope, you can be allergic to basically anything. I think you’re confusing wheat allergy (which is a real medical condition) with non-celiac gluten intolerance (which is not).
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:54 pm You’re right! I did get sucked into the non-celiac gluten intolerance. However, documented wheat allergy still seems pretty rare.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 2:27 pm Varies by region, like most allergies, but the range I’ve seen is somewhere between 0.2% and 0.5%, vs approx 2% for peanut allergy (the most common allergy) in the US. So, not common, but not 1:100 000 rare.
Ktelzbeth* August 24, 2019 at 4:40 pm Non-celiac gluten sensitivity [NCGS] is gaining acceptance as a distinct clinical entity. For example, open in another window right now, I have “Nonceliac gluten sensitivity : an approach to diagnosis and management” by Collyer, Elizabeth M. ; Kaplan, Barbara published in a peer reviewed journal with authors from the Cleveland Clinics (PubMed ID 27341511). Also, “Pediatric Nonceliac Gluten Sensitivity : A Gluten-related Disorder Treatment Center Experience,” (PubMed ID 30908383) which has multiple authors, including from Harvard, was published in a peer reviewed journal, and from the results section of which I quote the following: “Among this population, we identified 26 (5.2%) patients aged 2 to 18 years (mean = 8.42 ± 4.1) who fulfilled the clinical criteria for NCGS based on the London Consensus Criteria.” I’ll link to the article, which I think is free as full text, from which the London Consensus Criteria come in a response to myself.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 5:00 pm Probably worth noting that the primary conclusion of that study is that “Even within our highly specialized population of patients with a suspected gluten-related disorder, pediatric NCGS is relatively uncommon.” This was a retrospective study examining medical records, rather than any kind of experimental study (i.e. a study exposing subjects to gluten and observing results), which concludes that a very small percentage of patients who have already been referred to a tertiary care centre specializing in gluten-related disorders meet the criteria, on paper, for non-celiac gluten sensitivity. This is a classic “more research needed” study. I’m perfectly prepared to accept that there’s a “there” there, but as of right now, non-celiac gluten sensitivity is in that tricky grey area: not really objectively diagnosable, primarily a diagnosis of exclusion, can’t exclude the possibility of confounders/missed diagnosis with other established diseases, etc. Also a quick reminder, not specific to this study, that “multiple authors, prestigious credentials, published in a peer reviewed journal” are not sufficient criteria for scientific reliability. Andrew Wakefield’s famous paper erroneously claiming that the MMR vaccine caused autism had 13 authors and was published in The Lancet. Read papers carefully, examine their methods section, look for confounders and methodological errors, carefully question whether conclusions are warranted.
Ktelzbeth* August 24, 2019 at 7:08 pm For sure. Lots of things that have been previously accepted and then changed/walked back have made it into the medical literature and medical cannon. I’m a doctor. I’ve watched some of them. But recognized institutions and peer reviews put it a step above random, fly by night, self-published (at least we hope it does; at least a few someone elses have looked at the premise and thought it sounded reasonable). Number of authors has nothing to do with anything except that I didn’t want to take up the space to list them all. I was primarily offering a counterpoint to what I read as your assertion than non-celiac gluten sensitivity is not a real medical condition when you wrote “wheat allergy (which is a real medical condition) with non-celiac gluten intolerance (which is not).” I don’t think it’s that cut and dry at this point. I’m sorry if I misunderstood you, which I think I might have, since when you replied you said that you were prepared to accept that there is a “there” there.
Agnodike* August 25, 2019 at 6:52 am I’m always prepared to accept there’s a “there” there – if patients are reporting something, something is happening. We’re just not always great at categorizing what exactly the “there” is. I think the jury is out on NCGS – I was glib in saying it’s not a thing, because this is the comments section of a workplace advice column. What I would have said to a patient is that I don’t think there’s sufficient evidence to say that we’ve got the categorization right on this one. How much of NCGS is misdiagnosed celiac disease (which as you know can be tricky to dx), how much is psychosomatic, how much is something as yet undiscovered, how much is a distinct disease process that we’ve been able to nail down? I think it’s a bit tricky, and doubly so because the experimental evidence is so far pretty spotty.
Ktelzbeth* August 24, 2019 at 8:19 pm And on the subject of reading papers carefully and drawing one’s own conclusions, I share the following story from residency. A new! exciting! paper came out and within the next couple weeks two of my attendings presented it to support their previously held view on the matter in question. They held completely opposite views. It’s served in my mind as an amusing but also cautionary tale ever since.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 11:18 am Yes, if you are allergic to something, you’re allergic to it all the time. It may be that your allergic threshold is high enough that if you eat soy sauce, which has a small amount of wheat, you won’t feel ill, but if you eat a croissant, you’ll feel awful. That being said, just because you don’t feel bad doesn’t mean damage isn’t being done to your gut, so if you think you have a food allergy, consider being tested.
ButterflyHigh* August 24, 2019 at 12:28 pm Allergies can come and go, it’s an immune response. Intolerances don’t come and go because you lack enzymes to process the food. If damage is being done to the gut, that’s Celiac’s disease and very serious thing that needs testing. More allergies can make you feel ill but it shouldn’t damage the gut.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 12:46 pm Nine times out of ten, when someone has a “wheat allergy,” they have celiac disease; that assumption was folded into my response. That being said: Food allergies CAN come and go over the course of a lifetime, depending on a variety of factors including which immunoglobulin mediates the allergic response. They don’t come and go from week to week, or from food to food. Repeated inflammation from allergic response can indeed cause damage at the location where the allergen is introduced, which is distinct from the damage to intestinal villi done by celiac disease. Celiac disease is serious (which I know very well, since I have it), but allergies can be, too, since they can progress over time, putting allergy sufferers at risk for anaphylactic responses.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:58 pm I’d also say intolerances can wax and wane–some of them are about enzymes but many to most aren’t, and even with something like lactose intolerance there’s often some lactase persistence in adults.
valentine* August 24, 2019 at 1:35 pm I read that murder-level pain is an allergy, while intolerance is mild in comparison, like feeling queasy. So if croissants cause level 10 pain, but soy sauce does nothing, my bowels may or may not one day have the same reaction to soy sauce? Is there a test that can be done without risking the pain or do I just not eat croissants?
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 1:56 pm I don’t think that’s reliably true. Murder-level pain is what a sensitive gut sometimes just does to distention; my Crohn’s hurts less than my intolerances did. Gut reactivity can be, if you’ll pardon the expression, a crap shoot. (I’m attaching in followup an interesting Cleveland Clinic article about the differences between immune system response and digestive response, which says that allergic response is more consistent than digestive response, which I didn’t realize.) You can get an allergy test; I think they usually start with skin testing, which is quick–they can see results while you’re in the office. You might also want to start a food and symptom diary and just cut out stuff that makes you sick; in practice that’s what you’d be advised to do either way anyway.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 1:56 pm https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/10009-food-problems-is-it-an-allergy-or-intolerance
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 2:40 pm FWIW, skin testing usually involves a bunch of different things, so if you’re allergic to something you eat but not wheat it’s reasonably likely to catch it; it’s not like they have to do just one substance at a time.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 3:02 pm It really, really depends. Celiac disease can cause anything from 10/10 pain and dramatic GI reactions to fatigue and malaise. IgE mediated allergy could be diarrhea and cramping or could be anaphylaxis. Honestly, statistically you’re 2-5 times more likely to have celiac disease than a wheat allergy, and the person who can order the appropriate testing to tell you what’s going on is a doctor.
ButterflyHigh* August 25, 2019 at 8:18 am Skin prick tests can only show reactions that may effect your breathing. There are blood tests you can do too, but if you have been off of something for a while, it may not show up as clear results. Elimination diet (not fodmap) is the way to go.
ButterflyHigh* August 25, 2019 at 8:29 am Not all allergies are anaphylactic responses though. I never heard the 9 out of 10 for Celiac’s disease. Do you have the source for that? I would interested in reading since I have a diagnosed wheat allergy before celiacs was well known.
Bilateralrope* August 24, 2019 at 2:16 pm It could be that you’re not allergic to wheat, but are allergic to something else. Some ingredient in x, but not in y.
Seven hobbits are highly effective, people* August 25, 2019 at 1:24 pm This is part of the “fun” of eating a diet of mostly processed foods. For example, I know that something that is in Coca-Cola and Dr. Pepper but not in Mountain Dew is Bad News for my digestive system. What specifically? No idea. I suspect the caramel coloring and try to avoid other things with caramel coloring in them, but in practice the main result is that in the rare case that I decide to drink a soda (which is maybe once or twice a year for me, usually if I want caffeine and can only find vending machines rather than coffee shops) I pick Mountain Dew because it’s the one that’s ok for whatever reason. If your problems tend to be with bread (but, say, eating a big bowl of wheat pasta is fine), it could be lots of things. I have trouble with soy, which is in a lot of bread. It could also be trouble with yeast, dough conditioners, or a lot of other things. At some point it becomes easier to just make a list of “I do well with x brand/type but not y brand/type rather than try to narrow it down to something really specific that’s only in processed foods and not something you commonly see as a standalone ingredient. I also have some intolerances that let me have things sometimes, as long as I don’t eat them too often, so if it’s a case of getting sick some times and not others with the same food it could be a frequency thing. I can generally have a grilled cheese sandwich at a restaurant even though it has soy in it, but when I was stuck working on a convention once and ordered hotel grilled cheese sandwiches two meals a day because I never had time to leave the hotel and get a proper meal I was pretty sick by Day Three.
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 25, 2019 at 1:42 pm Example: young woman thinks she’s reacting to wheat because bread gives her unpleasant intolerance symptoms. Turns out to be yeast intolerance – so bread was indeed the offender, but pasta (etc) are fine. (I’m that woman, no longer so young, alas, with a keen eye for food labels)
Gatomon* August 24, 2019 at 4:30 pm I suffered long enough with wheat/gluten issues to not remember the beginning, but I will say my issues with chicken (which would be an intolerance since we’re being specific in this thread :) ) were sporadic at first. I’d eat chicken, get sick. Lay off it for a bit. Convince myself it must’ve been a bug and not the chicken. Eat chicken again, fine. Eat it a second time, fine. Eat it a third time, sick as a dog. Each time I got sick the reaction was worse. Turns out I’ve got my mother’s chicken allergy. If you think you might have any food allergies or intolerances, I’d talk to an allergist. They can work with you to determine if it is an intolerance/allergy and what foods to avoid.
Fikly* August 24, 2019 at 6:49 pm So, allergies! So unpredictable! I used to work in an ER, and they were high up on the list of things that actually scared the crap out of the staff, because they were so unpredictable. They can, at any point, without warning, develop from non-life threatening, to will try to murder you. The same for things you have never had an allergic reaction to, ever. They can also spread in cross-reactivity, this is common with birch allergies, for example. Moral of the story, if you are allergic to it, probably best to avoid it. Or at the least, please have an epi pen with you at all times.
Anonymouse* August 25, 2019 at 5:12 am When I was 7 years old, my heart stopped and my lungs collapsed in the middle of surgery due to a previously undiagnosed allergy to latex. I’d had surgeries before without any apparent issues. I’d had a pretty severe allergic reaction to something a few months before but it was only retroactive from my reaction during surgery that my parents realized I’d reacted to the balloons at my uncle’s birthday party.
WS* August 24, 2019 at 8:54 pm The thing about wheat in our current diet is that it’s often heavily processed, so much so that the proteins can be a different shape and your body doesn’t recognise them as the allergen. This is good for manufacturing hypoallergenic food and medicine, but it’s not so great when it’s all labelled “wheat” and you have no idea which ones are going to set off a reaction. My cousin developed a wheat allergy as a toddler, and he’s now in his late 30s and eats a celiac-friendly diet because it’s just the easiest way for him to live.
Chaordic One* August 25, 2019 at 12:31 am On a related I’ve been reading that there are different kinds of wheat and many people have an allergic response and/or intolerance to one kind of wheat and not the other. Supposedly, in North America most of our wheat is “hard” wheat and it seems to produce more allergic reactions, and stronger reactions, than the “soft” wheat that is grown in Europe. (Additionally, some food connoisseurs claim that the “soft” wheat produces superior baked goods such as croissants.)
Seeking Second Childhood* August 25, 2019 at 8:17 am A friend with what allergy is in this boat. She can only safely eat bread&cookies made with spelt. That said, many but not all bread products also contain other common allergens like soy. If you suspect an allergy go to the doctor, gather examples, and ask!
Seeking Second Childhood* August 25, 2019 at 8:24 am My husband tells me to add that bread can be made with conditioners– chemicals added to help the dough be smoother and more elastic. It’s not uncommon for people to react badly to sulfites in other foods so again ask the Dr about additives. And my friend with the hard-wheat allergy is also allergic to corn…which turns up in confectioners sugar as cornstarch. So…food allergy panel for safety.
Alexandra Lynch* August 25, 2019 at 7:14 pm I don’t have wheat issues, but I had some severe issues that I finally got a handle on by food diarying everything I ate, and figuring out what made me feel bad. Apparently that would be everything containing fructose, all beans, all legumes, and most cruciferous vegetables. (sigh) Don’t take away my alliums, they’re all I’ve got.
Chaordic One* August 26, 2019 at 1:12 am Many times people who have allergies to corn also have reactions to high-fructose corn syrup.
Sephora Fans, Over Here!* August 24, 2019 at 10:29 am Sephora fans! Happy problem! A friend gifted me a Sephora gift card as a thank-you for pet-sitting. I’m usually an Ulta girl myself, and most of my daily makeup is NYX. So what should I buy myself at Sephora that I can only get there? I use liquid products for everything: eyeliner, lipstick, even eye shadow. My daily routine is foundation, eyeliner + mascara, and a brow mascara. I have all these crazy eye shadows (eg Stila glitter) for special events. I’ve never tried contouring or highlighting, and tbh I’m not sure my skin is good enough for it. But I’m pretty set on my fundamentals. So what should I treat myself that I can only get at Sephora? I was thinking a nice brush set or something absurd from Fenty. Share your favorites!
Zoey* August 24, 2019 at 10:48 am Gently has a new matte foundation that has good reviews. But my fav is Dior Backstage or their Airflash foundations. Sephora has perfume sample sets – like 10 samples and a coupon for a free regular size if you are into scents. They also have sample bundles (like mini mascaras, lipsticks ) from a variety of brands so you can find a new one that works for you without investing ina full size.
londonedit* August 24, 2019 at 12:30 pm They have a lip stain thing that is AMAZING. Literally does not come off. It’s just called Cream Lip Stain. We don’t have Sephora in the UK so I had to get my mum to source some for me when my parents were last in Portugal!
ValaMalDoran* August 24, 2019 at 8:55 pm Second on the Cream Lip Stain. It is excellent, and there are many, many color choices.
StudentA* August 24, 2019 at 9:53 pm I get lots of gifts for other people from there. Maybe stock up on Christmas gifts? I agree with the perfume sets.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:52 am I think if you are a Sephora member (free to sign up!) that you can get free makeovers (double check first). Or, wear your usual look, and ask one of the makeover specialists what they would recommend for a splurge. I think a nice brush set is a good idea – it is something that will last a long time. Enjoy! Sephora is a fun store.
Greymalk* August 25, 2019 at 10:03 pm If you are interested in skin care rather than make up, I have a scrub and then cream for keratosis pilaris (little bumps on my upper arms) that I can only order through Sephora; brand name SkinFix, type Renewing. It has really worked for me and my kiddos, so maybe try out some exclusive skin care stuff in addition to make up!
Square Root Of Minus One* August 24, 2019 at 10:37 am I’m getting laser surgery next Friday. I’ve been near-sighted since I was 7. Strongly enough I’m entirely dependant on my glasses. Now I might finally be rid of them in just a week after 24 years of glasses literally day in and day out. I’m both super excited and a bit nervous.
Nicki Name* August 24, 2019 at 10:47 am Good luck! My partner got laser surgery a couple years ago and hasn’t regretted it for a moment. The first couple days afterward are tough but worth it.
Goose Lavel* August 24, 2019 at 11:11 am I pray that your surgery goes well. I’ve worn glasses for over 40 years. This is not for me as I’ve seen the data. 2-3% of people have developed side effects which includs dry eye syndrome, halos, intense eye pain and worse vision than before. Seems like a small %, but if you do the math, it means tens of thousands of people paying for irreversible side effects. When I mention this info to those I know who plan on getting this surgery, the usually say that everyone they knew who had it done loved it. I hope it is the same for you.
No fan of Chaos* August 24, 2019 at 2:16 pm Walk into any eye glass dispenser and everyone is wearing glasses. These are cautious people that know the possible side effects. Ask them. Thanks, but I’m wearing glasses.
Acornia* August 24, 2019 at 2:53 pm They wear them to show off the product. A friend used to work there and she had good vision, didn’t need glasses or contacts or surgery, and every time a new collection of fashion frames came in, she would get a pair to wear at work with non-corrective lenses in them. It’s a sales technique, not a comment on the safety of surgery.
Iron Chef Boyardee* August 24, 2019 at 10:05 pm “2-3% of people have developed side effects . . . Seems like a small %” It is. But it’s a HUGE percentage if YOU’RE one of the people who develop side effects. I wear glasses and would love to get laser surgery. I’m not sure I’d be an eligible candidate, for various reasons. Even so, just 0.5% (one-half of one percent) is too great a risk for me.
Elf* August 25, 2019 at 12:20 am I had it done and I do/did have some of those side effects, and I would still recommend it wholeheartedly. I had it done six years ago. Everyone who gets laser surgery gets dry eye for some amount of time, because nerves grow back really slowly, so until the nerves are all the way back to the surface of your eye the signals to make more tears won’t get sent. It is almost always gone within 3 months. I do think my eyes are still a bit drier than they were before, but not to a problematic level, and not to a degree that I can be sure it’s a result of the surgery rather than a normal result of aging. I do get halos. They are only an issue for night driving, and I am still fully capable of night driving, I just find it a lot less pleasant. I literally never notice it otherwise. Of that 2-3% number that you cite, the vast majority of side effects are issues at my level, which have not caused me any problems.
Goose Lavel* August 25, 2019 at 8:16 am Per your side effects. I’d disagree that they don’t cause you any problems. Please cite your data source for your claim regarding that “most” side effects are those you endure.
Square Root Of Minus One* August 24, 2019 at 1:53 pm Well, I’m aware of the risk, but I’m really unhappy with my glasses. For the sports I like they’re a real hindrance, and I can’t wear contacts. I hope for the best but I’d regret it if I didn’t go through with it.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:54 am Just remember, you don’t want to go to a cheap laser surgery place. You want to go to a really good laser surgery place. Good luck. I hope it gives the results you desire.
Goose Lavel* August 25, 2019 at 8:11 am There was a news story last year about a young women news anchor who killed herself after enduring 3 months of stabbing eye pain post surgery, leaving behind two young children and husband. Although she went to the top rated clinic in her area and also had the top doc, she had a very sad result.
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 12:59 pm Best of Luck! I looked into it and was told I’d still need reading glasses, so I passed on this surgery. Your results might vary.
Eva and Me* August 24, 2019 at 1:34 pm Yes, I was told the same, but I went ahead with the surgery, as did my husband. Been 15+ years now, and still good! However, we both now use reading glasses; surgery or no, most people need them after a certain age.
Square Root Of Minus One* August 24, 2019 at 2:00 pm I probably will as well, but even then, I’m still better off needing glasses sometimes than all the time :)
Ask a Manager* Post authorAugust 24, 2019 at 1:51 pm I had LASIK in 2014 and loved it — had 20/20 vision the next morning. However, apparently some people’s vision starts degrading again over time, and it has happened to me! I just found out recently that my vision is now at 20/60 and I got glasses for movies and driving … and I was shocked at the difference they made. I’d had no idea that I’d lost so much of the LASIK gains.
Square Root Of Minus One* August 24, 2019 at 2:16 pm Wow, I’m sorry. That’s too bad it went away so early. I get a check up every year, so I hope that if it happens, it’ll be caught…
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 5:10 pm Oh jeez. It’s so expensive; I’m disappointed to hear it goes away that fast. :(
Cloudy with sunny breaks* August 24, 2019 at 6:22 pm The lasik is fine, Alison just got the short end of the eyeball gene stick. Mine has degraded a bit, I got touch up surgery in one eye but for the most part 9 yrs later I’m still good. A note on healing – everyone is different and some people take longe to heal. It was about two weeks before I was back to normal and could do computer work comfortably. Good luck!
Ask a Manager* Post authorAugust 24, 2019 at 7:09 pm Yes, what happened to me definitely isn’t typical! The place that I had it done will do touch-ups for free, but if it’s been more than a year since the original LASIK, they have to do PRK instead, which has a longer recovery time (I’ve heard about a month) so I’m just sticking with my 20/60 vision for now.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 10:32 pm Oh okay, whew. I don’t have the money right now anyway; I can’t even get new contacts. That’s a dream for another day, I guess.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 2:58 am I would kill (okay, not really) for 20/60 vision! It sounds wonderful! And who knows, they are making improvements all the time. Maybe in 10 years they will have improved the surgery so that you can get your eyes readjusted with better results and recovery time.
Windchime* August 25, 2019 at 11:50 am My son had PRK and the recovery was really, really tough. It was incredibly painful and he had to be cared for for several days. He took pain medication and used ice packs and was basically alone in a dark room listening to podcasts. There was some reason related to his career (police officer) why he had to have PRK instead of LASIK. His wife had LASIK and was back to normal the next day.
Sara(h)* August 25, 2019 at 3:25 am I’m still 20/20, 6 years out. And I was quite nearsighted before surgery! My Rx was – 4.25 in my worse eye. Of my family and friends who’ve gotten the surgery, they all seem to say it was about 10 years before they needed glasses for nearsightedness again. So I think Cloudy with sunny breaks is correct that Alison got the short end of the stick. I’m sure you can find stats online though.
Goose Lavel* August 25, 2019 at 8:21 am Did you know about this side effect prior to surgery? Have you considered revision laser surgery to correct your vision?
londonedit* August 24, 2019 at 2:14 pm Good luck! I wish I could do it, but when I got my toric contact lenses a couple of years ago, I literally had to try 10 different brands before I found one that didn’t leave me with a permanent blurry halo. My optician told me that meant I wouldn’t be able to have laser surgery, because the correction they do with that would also leave me with the same halo.
Southern Metalsmith* August 24, 2019 at 3:53 pm Good luck! I hope all goes well. I had LASIK 12 years or so ago and it was wonderful!! I was so nearsighted I had to have things really close to see them, but getting older and farsighted, had to hold them away – so no natural focal point at all. Nothing compares to waking up in the morning and being able to see the clock across the room without hunting for my glasses! (It’s the little things in life…). Also, like Alison, my eyesight has deteriorated slightly, so I’ve ordered new glasses. They have transitions lenses for outside (and they assure me that these work inside a car), a blue light filter for reading screens, anti-glare to help with the cataract(dammit) I have forming, and they are progressive so I can see distance and close with the same pair. Whew.
Short & Sweet* August 24, 2019 at 10:31 pm Good luck! I was blind as the proverbial bat (Prescription was -10.5), had Lasik in 2002, as was 20/20 the next day! My eyesight has degraded a little since then – I often wear glasses to drive now – but can still function pretty well without glasses. When I think about what I have saved on glasses and contacts (and contact solutions) over the last 14 years, it really didn’t cost that much. SO glad I did it!!
EN* August 25, 2019 at 3:27 pm Good luck! I finally got brave enough to do it this spring and have been so glad. The procedure was super quick, I felt nothing, and I could see well enough to recognize my husband from across the room the moment I walked out of surgery. After spending the first day with my eyes closed sleeping or listening to podcasts, I was right back to my normal activities. I see there are a few horror stories being shared here—I heard those third-hand before having my procedure too. But everyone I know who has actually had LASIK described it as life-changing, and I agree. Of course, I’ll still need reading glasses at some point down the road, but it’s absolutely amazing to be able to wake up in the morning and see without fumbling for glasses or contacts.
taylor swift* August 24, 2019 at 10:37 am My friend has recently come to terms with the idea that she may have a drinking problem. She’s been attending AA and committing to sobriety. It’s nice because I have been cutting down on my drinking, and she was someone I drank a lot with. However, we’re finding out how much of our friendship revolved around drinking – it’s so much easier to just say let’s go to this bar or that bar instead of finding an actual activity to do. What are your favorite things to do where alcohol isn’t present at all? She’s very newly sober and finding it hard to be around alcohol in any context – so like going to a baseball game would be out right now, because the beer is a big part of the experience there. I know that once she’s been sober for a while, she’ll need to readjust those experiences to exist in the world, but right now it’s about making it not even a temptation for the activity. She’s not a very active person and rolled her eyes when I suggested we could go to the Botanical Gardens or learn to rock climb. What are your ideas? Do you have any advice for me, either if you’re sober or if you are a friend/family member of someone who has become sober? I want to support her in any way that I can. Thanks!
Alex* August 24, 2019 at 10:46 am What about hanging out at home? This may be the introvert in me talking, but my favorite times with friends involve sitting around in our apartment watching something dumb on TV, cooking together, or just chatting. What about events that are more daytime oriented so less likely to be about alcohol? My area has a bunch of lesser-known museums (house museums, etc.) that are actually really interesting and not expensive. Meeting for coffee at a coffee shop instead of for drinks at a bar. Shopping. Movies. Plays. Comedy shows (ones at theaters, not bars).
cat socks* August 24, 2019 at 1:46 pm I was also going to suggest hanging out at home. My sister-in-law recently stopped drinking and she’ll come over to hang out with me and my husband. She started coming over on Sunday nights to watch Game of Thrones and we would make food. Then it sort of became a regular thing and we would watch a movie or spend time outside if the weather was good.
Nicki Name* August 24, 2019 at 10:51 am Are there game stores in your area? Look up their event calendars and see if they have an open game night or somesuch, and go learn to play some interesting new boardgames. I second the suggestions above for coffee shops and lesser-known museums, too.
LJay* August 26, 2019 at 7:05 pm I would check and see if these events are dry. I know a few game shops in my area that are unofficially BYOB.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:14 am In addition to what people above have said, if she loves baseball games, then what about going to high school games?
Goose Lavel* August 24, 2019 at 11:38 am I recommend taking a road trip that does not include any freeways. You’ll find many cool things to do along the back roads.
LibbyG* August 24, 2019 at 12:03 pm Maybe there are improv comedy shows that don’t have/serve alcohol? Loud laughter, surprising and risque humor, colorful characters. These might offer something of the energetic environment you and your friend have enjoyed in bars.
Dan* August 24, 2019 at 12:24 pm “like going to a baseball game would be out right now, because the beer is a big part of the experience there” Can I push back on this a little? I’m the furthest thing from a teetotaler that you will ever meet, and one of the easiest places for me to not drink is a sporting event. Where I live, the pro sports arenas/stadiums have jacked the prices of alcohol up so high for me that it’s just not worth it. And I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything, or otherwise out of place. Let me ask you this: Most non-fast food restaurants I know of have a booze license of some sort. Will your friend need to avoid any restaurant that serves alcohol? (The answer may very well be yes…)
Virginia* August 24, 2019 at 3:09 pm Okay, great, you avoid alcohol at sporting events because it’s expensive. Clearly, OPs friend is having a difficult time being around alcohol at all. How is it helpful to say that she should still go to baseball games, because the price of the alcohol should be a deterrent?
fhqwhgads* August 24, 2019 at 9:41 pm I donno…I think it’s a fair remark. Unless the friend is also avoiding grocery stores because alcohol is there…it’s pretty easy to avoid it at baseball games. The lines for concessions are super long. The prices are higher than normal. Sure if you end up in a section full of people drinking a ton of beer it might feel harder, but I go to a ton of baseball games and usually am not surrounding by folks drinking. Maybe it depends on the section and the stadium, but if the person loves baseball, it seems to me like it should be a doable thing.
taylor swift* August 24, 2019 at 11:18 pm we don’t love baseball….. we like(d) day drinking outside on a nice day with a lot of people. it’s probably doable for you, but for someone with a legitimate alcohol problem. it’s not, especially in the beginning stages of sobriety. we all choose to spend our money on different things – i don’t mind spending 3x what it should cost for a beer at the game because that’s part of the fun of it – and eating the ballpark food and peanuts and whatever. i don’t go to concerts cause I don’t value spending the money on that, but you may prefer to do that rather than buying beer at the game. ultimately, looking for activities that fill time in a way that sitting at the bar for three hours on a tuesday night does.
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 12:48 am If sports are just an excuse to drink, then that’s fair. And I don’t mean that sarcasticly. I happen to like it when my local NBA has a lousy season. “My” team isn’t the local team, and I enjoy live sports for the sake of it. So when the local team stinks, tickets are like $10. It’s one of the cheapest ways I know to kill an evening.
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 12:41 am Well, in the US alcohol is pretty much everywhere. Can OP’s friend go to the grocery store? Out to dinner? Get on a plane? Alcohol is present in all of those places. Im trying to get at what makes a sporting event different. Alcohol is not inherently associated with sports, at least no more so than the other things I’ve mentioned. If the associations between drinking and sports are that strong for OP’s friend, then so be it. At least for now.
LCL* August 24, 2019 at 10:10 pm The price of a drink has never been a deterrent to me, if I really wanted it, even when I was broke. It may be for OPs friend, it is for my mother.
taylor swift* August 24, 2019 at 11:14 pm Currently, the issue is what the experience has been in the past. Her experience is that every time she goes to a baseball game, she drinks – so she associates baseball with drinking. If she were to go to a baseball game, it would be hard for her to pass it up, and in the beginning states of sobriety, she’s looking for things to be a little bit easier for her. So if she can avoid it altogether for now, and then work up to a place where she can create new memories and set new expectations when she’s got some sobriety under her belt. You will notice that I said it’s out RIGHT NOW. I drink what I’d consider a normal amount, and I will definitely spend $12 for a beer at a game (and have several) because that’s part of baseball for me. Different people prioritize different things…..
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 12:51 am Which is fair. Breaking addictions is a pych thing just as much as it is anything else.
Marcy* August 24, 2019 at 12:48 pm Maybe a craft class? Knitting, jewelry making or scrapbooking might appeal to her.
Windchime* August 25, 2019 at 11:54 am That was going to be my suggestion. Learn to knit or crochet together. Buy some fantastic colored pencils and either color or learn to draw. Something low-key and you could do while watching Netflix.
Morning reader* August 24, 2019 at 12:53 pm Book club! Crafts. Working through movie lists like best films of the 20th century. Shelter volunteering/dog walking/fostering. Political activity. Hobby classes. Last but perhaps less practical idea… I’ve heard of public marijuana smoking venues sorta like a tea or coffee shop. Maybe hang out there instead?
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 9:56 pm I understand that marijuana is different than booze, but it seems like getting high on a different substance is not going to serve the larger goal of getting sober.
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 12:56 pm Rock climbing may be too much but I’d try again on physical activity. Maybe suggest a time limit at the gardens or something similar?
Filosofickle* August 24, 2019 at 1:22 pm It’s tough! My BF quit drinking during into our relationship, two years ago, and we are still struggling to find ways to socialize and “go out” without alcohol. He’s not super triggered by environment so we’re not totally limited but obviously anywhere alcohol centric is bad. Unfortunately, hot + outdoors IS a trigger for him, so that has ruled out summer street festivals and the like which is a real bummer for me. We are both homebodies so that’s made it a lot easier. Hiking is our big thing, tho that doesn’t help you! We do dinner out once a week, somewhere alcohol isn’t highlighted (more sushi, less brewpub). We also cook nice dinners at home often, which helps us make staying in feel more special. Saturday nights are usually movie nights, at home because I prefer it but sometimes in the theater for him. We have a Netfllix DVD account so we never run out of movies. Museums are good, picnics, Shakespeare in the park, trips to the beach, scenic drives. We’ve also embraced sillier stuff like mini golf and pinball arcades. Those are especially good for double dates, where we need to find something safe and fun to do with friends who drink. Good luck! Keep supporting her how you can, it helps.
notmyusualname* August 24, 2019 at 1:27 pm I’m somewhat going down this road (aiming for a sober semester, then we’ll see from there how it goes) and have found r/stopdrinking to be a real help for getting my mind right and for perspectives on how other people handle situations.
GoryDetails* August 24, 2019 at 1:27 pm I haven’t had to avoid places with alcohol, but some of my favorite pastimes don’t involve it; among them, geocaching, which I’ve mentioned in the forums before. You use a GPS device to find a hidden container, or sometimes to follow a multi-step tour of a park or historical district; some caches require solving puzzles to get the right coordinates, and there are “virtual” caches at historical sites where you log them by learning something interesting about the location and sending it in to whoever placed the cache. There are caches for all levels of physical activity, some tucked under benches in busy downtown areas, some hidden off-trail in wilderness areas, and everything in between. If she likes puzzles or history or discovering odd locations in her neighborhood that she never knew were there, this might be something to try. Re baseball: the suggestion to go to high school games might work – and I think some, if not all, of the professional-league ballparks may offer alcohol-free sections. You’d still risk encountering the happily-beer-toting folks on the way out, but it’s a thought.
OyHiOh* August 24, 2019 at 5:55 pm Museums/zoos/aquariaums/galleries/theater/”classical” music (as in, not music festivals/the sorts of concerts where alcohol and other substances contribute to the experience . . . ) Volunteering for orgs Get involved in activism for something you feel strongly about Library or Y programs. Attend a lecture about something new. Take a workshop or go to a “club” (language, book, hand crafts, etc)
Anon Librarian* August 24, 2019 at 7:08 pm How about things revolving around food and non-alcoholic beverages? Like cooking, baking, going to restaurants (ones that don’t serve alcohol?), picnics, coffee shops, juice bars, etc. I guess movies are an obvious other option. And maybe just trying all kinds of new things so she can find new hobbies and interests?
Glory Hallelujah* August 24, 2019 at 9:35 pm Oh wow, good for your friend and good for you for being up for this challenge! And yes, it is a challenge – when my best friend of 15 years got sober a couple of years ago it was initially very difficult for us to shift our patterns away from bars as social gathering sites. She’s now able to attend events where alcohol is present but it was very touch and go for several months. A lot of what we did involved shifting our focus from alcohol to food. We found a list of a bunch of food trucks in our area and started checking them off – a lot of food truck meet-ups will be alcohol free! We sought out independent restaurants that didn’t have alcohol on their menus at all – halal and breakfast joints were *great* for this. We tried out new coffee shops, went out for afternoon tea (which has become a beloved tradition), sought out patisseries, and hit up ice cream shops. Check out your local parks and recreation district’s offerings! We tried out a knitting class together and while I crashed and burned on that particular craft, my friend now attends a bi-monthly stitch and bitch session. But we also discovered that our local library shows classic movies once a month (the movie is free, you pay for popcorn), and that one of our local parks hosts a “Symphony Under the Stars” event every month during the summer. It’s also worth checking if your city or county has an events website – our county does and we discovered a bunch of local flea markets and jumble sales that have been an absolute blast to bargain hunt at. This definitely was something we tried after the first strain had passed, but we found that of all the major league sports, NHL games were the ones that let her ignore that there was alcohol there. The game is so much more fast paced than baseball that you’re basically forced to be engaged whereas baseball is kind of a 50/50 split on the game and what you consume. Likewise, after she was able to be in the same building as alcohol as long as she didn’t have to see it, we were able to start going to the theater, the opera, and our local symphony. They all serve wine, beer, etc during intermission in the lobby, but there’s no drinking in the theater itself. Best of luck to the two of you and I hope you find some wonderful activities to share!
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 9:49 pm I rarely drink. I like to have friends over & have coffee, or cook or bake something together. I like to go to the movies, or theater. Concerts in most venues probably wouldn’t work yet. But our public library has a nice variety of acts in their auditorium, which doesn’t really have concessions, certainly not a bar. Board game night is fun. I’m not big on shopping, but I have had fun window-shopping with a friend and getting fancy coffees. There are art, pottery, dance, and all kinds of classes for adults that meet in the evening. We have a Zentangle studio in our neighborhood that has really nice group classes, fun to take a friend – very relaxing. Really, if she’s changing her lifestyle to eliminate a regular activity that took up a lot of time, she may need to try a bunch of things to discover or re-discover things she likes. What did she like to do before she ever started drinking? That’s going to be a good place to start.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 9:51 pm You can aim for doing more during the day, leaving both of you more tired at night and less apt to want to go out drinking. My husband and I did this, we planned activities that tuckered us out so at night it was easier to curl up with a book. This works well if you did a good chuck of drinking after dinner. Walks are good. Not just physically but psychologically also. And taking a walk is a cheap activity that does not drain the wallet. You guys could take up a new hobby together and become all about New Hobby.
Llellayena* August 24, 2019 at 9:51 pm Community theater. Musicals and comedies are great for a friend’s night out and community theater (unlike equity theater) most likely won’t have alcohol at intermission.
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 11:00 pm While rock climbing might be a bit too much, a yoga or pilates class would be helpful. I’m working to get centered, more mindful, better with my breathing and listening to my body (I’m doing pilates, but also had yoga recommended to me). You do it together, I am beginning to see the same folks week after week at my class, and I’m feeling a sense of accomplishment as I get stronger. Also, some folks (I have multiple friends with Alcoholic parents and/or spouses – I speak with their acknowledgement of this) find that the person who is giving up the alcohol, was using it to manage depression and/or anxiety. Without the alcohol, there was no medicated state. So there exercise can be a counterbalance, more sunshine, more activity/movement. It in no way takes the place if she truly needs medication… watch for that. But there is a lot of benefit, and not much downside. You might also think about a dancing class. ballroom, latin, country, folk, (take the classes through night school or community college, not at a bar). What’s important is to get out and try something different. So you aren’t crazy about it… but make it a funny thing, like “20 new things in 20 weeks” or something. A friend and I took lessons in all kinds of things as a way to get out of the house while spending time with each other (we were both caretaking sick family at the time). Glass blowing, mosaic, and more. Got massages together. Pedicures together. something every week, something different. Mild walks in little venues (not a big botanical garden, that takes hours, but something interesting where we could learn and walk like a local history farm. ). Lots of museum visits, high school plays, local theater productions. Wishing both of you well. This is a good thing that you are doing by being so supportive.
taylor swift* August 24, 2019 at 11:22 pm thank you! everyone has been really helpful i appreciate all of the suggestions and we will definitely try a lot – maybe i will learn a few new skills too!
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 3:10 am I recommend she ask for ideas at her AA meetings. They should have good suggestions based on experience. Does she have a sponsor? I hear that a sponsor can be incredibly helpful. I wish her the best in going alcohol free. And you the best in cutting back. In a couple of months, you will probably feel healthier. And save $$$.
AL (the other one)* August 25, 2019 at 6:21 am Coffee shops? And maybe healthy /wellness focused cafes or restaurants where they’re more likely to do mysterious juice concoctions…(non alcoholic) I saw that someone has already mentioned crafts, I think that’s a good idea, something to keep hands busy and full. Would a board game cafe be interesting? Or just walking in a park, sometimes it’s easier to chat side by side… My partner is teetotal (now) and is ok in bars (now), but these are the kind of activities that make sense to me when trying to avoid the main places where alcohol is.
HannahS* August 25, 2019 at 3:28 pm Coffee shops, bubble tea places, local Chinese bakery or baklava place, buy some pastries and coffee and sit in a park. Paint night (check that the event it dry), movie and dinner. Museums and galleries. Hang out at home. Cook a meal together.
SomeoneWithABike* August 25, 2019 at 7:24 pm What about outdoor activities? Hiking, cycling, etc? You can travel, visit parks you’ve never been to, and spend time together that way.
Grapey* August 26, 2019 at 11:22 am If a “friend” rolled her eyes at me suggesting an activity while I was explicitly trying to help her problem, with the additional realization that we bonded over an activity that she actively wants to stop, I’d reconsider the friendship altogether.
KaladinSB* August 28, 2019 at 1:17 am Might be rather unorthodox, but maybe going to a shooting range? Any official one will ban any sort of mind-altering substances, and if you’re just out in the woods or on a farm or something, anyone showing up with alcohol will be extreme incentive to get out of there in the first place, even for people who aren’t trying to avoid intoxicants in their everyday life.
affairs in order* August 24, 2019 at 10:39 am I was willed a piece of property in another country. I need to find a lawyer? accountant? tax lawyer? someone to help me figure out what my legal? tax? obligations are here in the US. Who should I seek?
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:02 am An experienced tax preparer (maybe avoid the chain storefront places) should probably be able to help you. I can’t see a way you’d have to pay tax to the U.S. on the inheritance itself–the estate tax is technically due from the estate, not the heirs–but I’m not an accountant. You’ll also want to check on what you have to do if you gain income from use or sale of the property, since those may involve reportable income.
Auntie Social* August 24, 2019 at 12:40 pm Find a probate lawyer in that country. If it is part of your parent’s estate, you need an ancillary (supplemental) probate. Do you have a copy of the will in which you were left the property? You will be paying taxes to that country if you sell the property, and you may pay taxes to the US as well. It’s not cheap or fast. Prepare for the worst.
The Cosmic Avenger* August 25, 2019 at 9:41 am Yes, unfortunately the US is one of the only countries that taxes its citizens’ foreign income, but the inheritance tax threshold is very high. If this property is not worth eight digits USD, there will probably be no inheritance tax, but if it is an income-generating property (rental), that may very well be taxes if you don’t sell it immediately. OP, you’ll definitely need to consult an estate attorney in the other country, and you may want to have one here just in case, but that might not be necessary.
aarti* August 24, 2019 at 10:45 am I have dengue (it’s awful) and haven’t been able to do much but lay in bed the last week or so. I’ve been making ample use of the “Random Post” feature on this website and reading old letters. One from a couple of years ago featured a white woman who had taken her Arab husband’s last name and felt she was being discriminated against because of it. So that got me thinking. My husband and I are both Indian but my last name is sort of generic whereas his belays both an ethnicity and (to those in the know) a caste, neither of which I am. So I’ve used his last name socially off and on since we’ve been married which has resulted in some confusion and people trying to speak to me in a language I don’t speak. It also makes me feel vaguely uncomfortable, like I am claiming an identity that is not mine. It doesn’t bother my husband, his family or really anyone I’ve met from those communities, or at least no one has ever said anything. Maybe a non-issue but something I think about from time to time. Anyway I know this topic touches on aspects of race, gender, privilege, etc but I’m not really looking to have an intense discussion on other people’s choices. I am curious to hear from people who have adopted a surname that is largely identified with a race, religion, ethnicity, etc that is not theirs. Do you ever feel any weirdness about it? Any tips for navigating confusion gracefully?
Mrs. Carmen Sandiego JD* August 24, 2019 at 11:44 am I married my husband (different nationality) and now I have a unique last name. We don’t look at all alike and when I was picking glasses at the optometrist he followed me and the optometrist asked if he needed help. Lol. I told optometrist he’s my husband and the one who found her practice. It happens! My worry though is our future kids will be platinum blonde and I’ll be mistaken for the nanny..
Seven hobbits are highly effective, people* August 24, 2019 at 12:01 pm I don’t have a lot of direct experience since I have my birth surname, but when I was living with my then-boyfriend, who was part-Vietnamese and had a typical Vietnamese last name, we always put things like the phone in my name to reduce the number of Vietnamese-language telemarketer calls and door-to-door proselytizers we’d get. (I have an incredibly common last name for America with a lot of both white and African-American people having that last name, so it doesn’t imply much about my race on its own but does strongly suggest “English is a good first guess” for preferred language if you’re trying to guess what language to speak while cold-calling from the phone book.) Since neither of us spoke Vietnamese, playing “is this answering message we don’t understand a long-lost relative or someone trying to sell us long distance service” was not a fun game. (It’s always the long distance service telemarketers, but you don’t want to ignore that it might be a relative…)
ginkgo* August 24, 2019 at 1:23 pm Mine is kind of funny – I’m half Asian and half white, am usually read as Asian but have a super generic white last name (think Jones), which sometimes leads to people being surprised when I show up for an appointment or something. I recently got engaged to my fiance who is a different Asian ethnicity, and intend to take his name – so I haven’t had a chance to test drive it yet, but I’m honestly really amused by the idea of flying under the radar with a last name that people probably won’t question at all, but in reality has nothing to do with my actual identity (unlike my current name that earns me confused looks – my ancestors came over on the Mayflower, y’all!). As you can probably tell, my coping strategy is to maintain a sense of humor about it all :)
ThatGirl* August 24, 2019 at 4:06 pm My cousins are half Asian (their mom is Chinese Malaysian) but they got our Swiss-German family name. One just married an Asian woman, and I kinda wonder how she feels about her new German last name (and how my cousins feel they are read). It’s not something we really talk about, though.
Valancy Snaith* August 24, 2019 at 2:22 pm I’m white and I am married to a Vietnamese man, and I took his name when we got married. The only weirdness I’ve ever encountered is from a couple of job interviews where people were visibly surprised to see me, a white woman, when they were expecting someone who probably looked a bit closer to their idea of someone who bears a ridiculously common Vietnamese last name. As that’s on them, and not me, I didn’t think there was anything for me to do other than enjoy their confusion. Honestly, my husband didn’t mind either way, my in-laws LOVE it, and anyone I’ve ever met in the Vietnamese community has been either very amused or appreciative. Any weirdness has definitely subsided since we’ve been married five years now.
Overeducated* August 24, 2019 at 2:59 pm I get questions from military & former military acquaintances and spouses trying to guess the country of origin of my married name. It’s one that doesn’t bring up anywhere near as much baggage as your situation for me, but i find the guessing game kind of funny!
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 3:16 am For those in the know, my first name is from one religious/racial group and my last name (my husband’s last name) is from a different one. Most people don’t catch on to this, but those who do are amused!
A Ridiculous Rant/Question* August 24, 2019 at 10:51 am *This post name is referring to my previous post in July, when I rant about my depressing state of mind having to deal with my controlling Asian family, in that they once make an account under my name against my will, have me in a family tracking app, and are really demanding to who I date to the point where I now feel like remaining single for life may be a good option for me. I would like to thank everyone who responded to my previous post for giving me support and tips on how to deal with my situation. Right now I am beginning to read in Reddit on the forum “RaisedbyNarccissist” and feel connected, yet sadden that many of us having controlling families. Now I am thinking of more ways to educate myself, thinking of ways to prepare myself for the worst from my family, and to also think of ways where I can share my difficulties with a friend. So far I can come up with that Narcissists can blackmail, damage your reputation, and identity theft you to force you against your will. My family is not at that point yet, but I guess I am just a little paranoid. I have been in my workplace for two months. So far I only said friendly “hellos” in my workplace. Haven’t made any real friendships yet. We might go on some workplace outings later on. But I still wonder how to develop new friendships, where I can find someone to open up and talk about my worries.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:19 pm Thanks for reporting back! I’m glad you’re working on ways to make your life better. I think you’re on the right track already with friendships–for most of us, good ones take time, and starting with workplace friendliness and moving on to workplace outings is a plausible start for a trajectory. One thing to consider is finding ways to make overtures that you’d be comfortable with. “Jane, would you be up for getting lunch with me? I’m interested in maybe moving to a different part of town and I’d love to hear about the rental market in your neighborhood.” It doesn’t have to be the rental market or even the neighborhood, but the idea is that you’ve established a viable topic for the lunch that you two can talk about and that’s a reasonable thing to ask for input on, and if you move on from there to more broad friend conversations, great! I can’t remember if there are parental limits on your post-work socializing, but if that’s a possibility you could also invite people to join you on a plan there. “Hey, I’m going to go to Son of Superheroes this weekend, maybe Friday at 7 at the multiplex–anybody up for joining me? I might get ice cream after.” That’s lower-key because it’s more an invited tagalong than a friend date. Now keep in mind you will get turn downs, no-shows, and nothing-came-of-it experiences with this. That’s part of the process, not a commentary on you. Friendship is like writing–most drafts don’t pan out. I would also strongly encourage you to go to Son of Superheroes whether anybody says they’ll come or not. 1) somebody might turn up last minute and 2) it’s good for you to think of yourself as somebody who initiates her own plans, not only waiting until somebody else makes it possible. Be selective in making such requests and offers, so you’re valuing your own time and the individuality of the person you’d like to spend time with, rather than just wanting to be friends with somebody, anybody. You’ll be glad later that you were choosy and aren’t trying to figure out what to do with an uncomfortable friend mismatch, and it’ll make your workmates feel pleased by your interest (even if they don’t end up wanting to be friends) rather than put upon. Good luck, and I hope you find some really nice friends.
Offer* August 24, 2019 at 1:20 pm It’s hard to do the things you’re doing – that’s awesome. I didn’t see your comment last week, it may have already been said – but get to Captain Awkward’s advice blog ASAP. And the forums. Pretty much everything I’d offer I learned from there.
LCL* August 24, 2019 at 1:43 pm If you are redditing, there is a sub called Asian Parent Stories. Just remember anyone can post anything to Reddit, the subs have roles but nothing is verified.
Quandong* August 24, 2019 at 11:42 pm This is not addressing your need to make friends and to feel more comfortable with the people in your workplace. If you need to talk to about your very valid concerns, can you access any confidential counselling through your workplace? If not, would you consider calling a few different helplines to talk about your controlling family and get support? You deserve support now, and it may take some pressure off you to separate talking about your worries, and making friends.
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 3:20 am And DON’T tell anyone in your family that you are going to therapy. They will know that therapy can strengthen your resolve and knowledge, so they will do whatever they can to sabotage therapy. Good luck.
The Cosmic Avenger* August 25, 2019 at 9:35 am Yes, you don’t want to make friends in order to unburden or share about your family. Just to prepare you for the worst, people not raised by narcissists usually cannot conceive of what they are like, and will probably attribute normal or benevolent motives to a narcissist, so they may see your reactions to your Nfam as paranoid or hostile when they’re normal survival reactions. The other extreme is they may be horrified by things we think of as everyday, like severe emotional and verbal abuse or control. This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make friends, but you need to find a therapist to whom you can open up, don’t try to completely unburden yourself with new work acquaintances.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 6:55 pm Yes, if your job has an EAP, that can be a great resource that you may be able to access during work hours without raising any flags on the family radar.
Nacho* August 24, 2019 at 11:04 am My mom went to Haiti for a few weeks to volunteer at a hospital there. Last night she texts me saying “Heads up: we are considering adopting this [two and a half year old girl]” and a pair of pictures of a little Haitian girl. I talked to my father, and Mom’s never considered adopting or having a third kid before, or even mentioned wanting one. I’m worried she’s gotten caught up in the moment and is going to do something crazy without fully considering it. Both mom and dad are 60 years old, and I’m doubtful they could even handle a toddler, much less a foreign orphan who doesn’t speak English. And what happens when she’s 10 and they’re 70? Or when she’s a teenager and they’re too old to drive? Am I wrong, or is this totally crazy?
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:18 am Who’s “we” if your father seems uninvolved with this? I’m wondering if this isn’t a group thought with her volunteer crowd rather than her specific impulse. AFAIK, Haiti isn’t party to the Hague Adoption Convention, so any adoption would need to adhere to the laws of your state, not just Haiti. It would also require your father to agree and sign to bring the girl over. It sounds like he might not be on board, so that would likely be the end of that. I also suspect that this is a not infrequent impulse in volunteers in struggling areas. I wonder if there is some experienced volunteer guidance on the rescue impulse and how to think it through.
Nacho* August 24, 2019 at 11:42 am No, I had a phone call , and she is thinking of bringing the kid back to America to live with her. This definitely isn’t a volunteer thing.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:48 am Okay, but is your father going to sign? This isn’t a puppy; she needs to make this happen legally.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:52 am I’m attaching a U.S. Embassy in Haiti link about adopting Haitian children. As you can see, she can’t just “bring the kid back.” I hope for the girl’s sake she doesn’t try that.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:52 am https://ht.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/adoption/
valentine* August 24, 2019 at 1:59 pm I hope you’re right, fposte. Is it different if there’s, say, a white Christian org that says they’re going to sponsor children and, once in the US, process them as adoptees? Nacho, I hope your parents will seriously consider the effect of removing the child from her entire culture, especially food, and ethnic communities, especially if they are white, Christian, and/or members of a group that praise this as a rescue.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 2:09 pm An organization doesn’t have independent standing to outrank the two countries (and one state) involved. There are organizations like Holt with established relationships with some countries, but even with Holt this kind of impulse rescue wouldn’t fly. It’s worth remembering that in U.S. terms this isn’t just about adoption but about immigration. Not a lot of immigration loopholes these days, and even the possibilities that do exist aren’t fast and require a lot of paperwork to be in place.
Clisby* August 24, 2019 at 12:24 pm That was exactly my thought. Countries don’t just normally hand children over to foreigners for adoption.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:37 pm The girl quite likely won’t be allowed into the U.S. and probably not onto the plane unless there’s paperwork in place.
Goose Lavel* August 24, 2019 at 11:19 am You are not wrong, but I don’t see that you have any choice but to welcome your new sister as if your parents are in the thirties or forties.
Kiki* August 24, 2019 at 11:45 am I think Nacho does have some standing to question them a little bit about their longterm plans for rearing the child— at very least to make sure Nacho isn’t the plan! I’ve had a surprising number of friends’ parents adopt children because they were feeling nostalgic for the baby phase or got caught up on some sort of mission. One of my friends now has custody of her much-younger adopted brother because almost immediately after adopting him, her parents went through a really nasty divorce. Obviously she loves her brother, but she wasn’t planning on raising a kid at this point in her life and it kinda sucks that her parents would fling that responsibility on her.
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 1:58 pm Holy shirtballs, what? I got a dog this way, but not an actual human being. To be clear, my parents aren’t divorced but they rescued a dog from an awful situation but didn’t actually like the dog; they were kind to him, but he requires more constant attention than they want to give him so he came my way. If they did this with a human child, I’m not sure what the correct response to that would be. Your friend did a great thing, but what a shitty thing for her parents to do to her.
Windchime* August 25, 2019 at 12:03 pm My ex-in-laws did this. I was a newlywed, so in my early 20’s as was my then-husband. They had a daughter who was around 11-12 years old, and they adopted a little girl from India who was a similar age. They had her for a year, and then right before it was final, decided they didn’t want her because SIL was jealous and so they gave the little girl back to the agency. She was eventually re-adopted by a family in another part of the US, but what an awful thing that was. They just returned her like she was a TV from Costco. (She was a very nice little girl and I didn’t see any problems with behavior, etc).
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 11:21 am It’s crazy and I agree, she’s caught up on the moment. Your concerns about their age. Etc. Are valid.
BRR* August 24, 2019 at 11:36 am This is crazy. It sounds like they’re (or she if it’s just your mom) adopting a child as an impulse. If it was me, I would strongly push back against this for their own good. They can take the cost of raising the child and donate it if they want to help but it doesn’t sound like it’s the best for them to adopt a toddler.
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 12:08 pm This definitely wouldn’t be legal in my country. Fposte is right she needs to find out the laws before she gets the little girls hopes up. I think Haiti is one of those countries where unscrupulous people set up orphanages and traffic children for adoption – except some of the children actually have parents who want to look after them but can’t afford to, and in some cases the children have literally been stolen from their parents. But it’s possible I’m getting mixed up with another country. It’s a pretty common practice worldwide and is one of the main reasons most countries are really clamping down on international adoption.
Grace* August 25, 2019 at 8:37 am It’s all in the news this month that this has happened in the DR Congo – in 2015, parents were told that their children were being invited to a charity summer camp in Kinshasa, but the children were then sent to Belgium to people that were told they were adopting orphans. (BBC News – “The children sent to a DR Congo ‘holiday camp’ never to come back”) The article lists Haiti, Guatemala, Vietnam, and Cambodia as countries that send adoptees abroad without being parties to the Hague Convention and as countries that have had similar problems, so it’s likely that there have been stories about the same scandals in Haiti.
YetAnotherUsername* August 25, 2019 at 12:50 pm I remember it was definitely a thing after the last big natural disaster in Haiti. Kids who got temporarily separated from their parents were being basically sold off for adoption without any effort to find their parents. the adoptive parents were told the birth parents were dead and they were asked for a donation to the orphanage. But of course the traffickers were pocketing the donations. Really sad all round. I don’t know if it’s a common thing nowadays in Haiti though. But I do know in my country its entirely illegal to adopt from a country that isn’t party to the Hague convention.
Washed Out Data Analyst* August 24, 2019 at 12:14 pm Yep – your mom is caught up in the moment, but this phenomenon is common when people volunteer in orphanages and other places in developing countries. One of my cousins also was very tempted to bring back small child from one of countries she was volunteering in. She was young and of average parenting age, but it’s possible she didn’t really know what she was getting into.
fhqwhgads* August 24, 2019 at 12:47 pm Haiti prohibits adoptions by couples if the oldest age of one of the parents is over 50. So it sounds like your parents cannot legally adopt this child.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 1:04 pm Is your mom the kind of person who would text that as a joke? Like, “Oh, this kid’s so cute, we’re definitely adopting her!” Every time my mom goes on vacation somewhere she really likes, she texts me a picture of a random house with the caption “We’re totally moving here! Just closed on a beachfront cottage/charming dilapidated château/cabin in the woods/whatever!” Assuming you’re comfortable that your mom isn’t kidding: my parents adopted a kid when my mom was in her late 50s and my dad in his early 60s. My dad stayed at home full-time until she started school, and now both my parents are planning to work into their mid-70s to deal with the financial realities of another kid. They’re both active, in excellent health, and really love being parents to this lovely kid. She’s almost 10 now, so the answer to “what will happen when she’s 10 and they’re 70,” in our family at least, has been “she’ll have to decide between hockey and dance because her art class already takes up one night a week” and “she gets to pick one of the activities on the itinerary for their upcoming trip to the Grand Canyon.” No word yet on how the teen years will go – maybe she’ll flee her old boring parents and come live with “Auntie” Agnodike – but I don’t think it’s crazy to adopt in your 60s. I DO think it’s absolutely wild and inadvisable to adopt a child on impulse, let alone one who doesn’t speak your language or share your culture, when you’ve given absolutely no thought to this serious decision that will immeasurably and irreversibly affect the life of a human child. Kids aren’t souvenirs. You can’t just pick one up and bring it home with you. It would be a kindness to gently remind your mom of this.
Daji* August 24, 2019 at 9:52 pm Long time lurker, first time AAM commenter. I am transracially and internationally adopted (Asian kid, white parents) from a foreign country into the United States. International adoption is fraught with ethical problems and on top of that it seems your mom hasn’t really given much though to parenting a child that will be taken away from their culture, community, and country. On top of that, in my experience some white adoptive parents have a “white savior” mentality that is extremely harmful to the child. Many adoptees also deal with trauma and my parents were very unprepared to deal with that + racism. Instead of adopting, your mom could donate money to support struggling Haitian families. Or she could donate to an orphanage. Adoption is not a choice to be made lightly and after seeing several cases in which international adoptees have been abused (even killed) or deported from their adoptive countries, I would caution against this. I am not saying this is what your mom would do, but as an adoptee I feel the need to point out that the end result of adoption isn’t always a happy family.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 10:08 pm Hopefully things have gotten under better control since I heard this, but I vividly recall after the last big hurricane, there were all kinds of horrible stories of children being “adopted” out of Haiti by unsuspecting foreign volunteers, who didn’t realize that the so-called “adoption agencies” were just rounding up kids who’d been separated from their parents in the chaos, and basically handing them off to foreigners without even trying to reunite them with their families. Tragic, tragic situations were the result. Please beg your mom to at least slow down and make sure the situation is legal & aboveboard, and being done properly.
Lime Forever* August 24, 2019 at 10:32 pm My friend was adopted from Haiti when she was 10 and her two new white parents were late 50s? It happened because her new white parents had a married daughter in her early 30s who decided to adopt a little 4 year old Haitian boy…but didn’t want his 10 year old sister. So my friend became her little brother’s “aunt” through adoption. To complicate matters, my friend’s two Haitian parents were both living at the time. They just couldn’t afford to feed/care for their two children so they got adopted to white families in the United States. Growing up she faced lots of racial prejudice from the white kids AND the black kids because she didn’t fit into either world. The whole thing was very messy.
mindovermoneychick* August 25, 2019 at 9:40 pm This is crazy and I say that because I’ve had a front row seat to 2 couples who have done this with differing results. My SIL adopted a 5 year old “Peter” from Haiti 15 years ago. It was gone well, and he is now a happy, thriving college student. But it was very hard transition – there was a steep learning curve for all involved. But SIL is about as well suited to this task as one could be. She and her husband had 6 bio kids aged 4-14 when they adopted him. Which seems like it might have been too much, but I’ve never seen anyone parent a brood of kids, or even just a couple, as gracefully and effectively as my SIL. She’s a special ed teacher by profession and had behavioural management skills and insight into child development that most parents just don’t. Plus she has empathy and insight into each of her kids as individuals. She parents them each differently and each well. So basically she had above average set of skills and experience when they adopted. And she did a lot of research in advance. So she was able to work through the tough issues as they came up. In contrast another set of parents they knew adopted an older child “John”from this same orphanage when they themselves were older and the rest of their kids had grown. They did it because their grown child was doing humanitarian worked down there and talked them into it. It did not go well. The parents had a hard time accepting this child for who he was rather than the super-achievers their own children had been. They never established a great bond and never seemed to really attached to him. They didn’t know how to handle him so he was left on his own, and alternately sent to boarding schools. John wound up spending more and more time with SILs family. They consider him a bonus kid at this point. He has managed to grow into what seems like a happy adulthood but they has seemed more a result of his own efforts and having a backup family in my SIL, then because of his adoptive parents. Not saying your parents would fail at that level of course, but this is the kind of thing when you do something like this without really knowing what you are getting into and committing to doing everything you can to make it work. This is sooo not something to be done on a whim.
BRR* August 24, 2019 at 11:14 am My dog did something to his back leg this week (he only has one back leg, the other was amputated years ago) and can’t really walk on it. The vet thinks it’s a soft tissue injury and he just needs to rest and some meds. My biggest challenge right now is getting him to go to the bathroom. Right now I’m holding his back end but he really doesn’t like this. I ordered a lifting harness for his rear side but in the meantime does anybody have any tips? I’d honestly be ok with him going anywhere (I have pee pads out) but he’s not one to go in the house and in general has always been more particular on where he goes.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:21 am Would a makeshift sling be less intrusive than your holding him? I just found a great online thing about turning a shopping tote bag into a dog sling–I’ll add a link in followup.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:21 am https://www.mspca.org/angell_services/how-to-make-a-supportive-dog-sling/
BRR* August 24, 2019 at 11:33 am I tired using both a leash and a towel as a make shift sling but both slid forward too much. The one I bought loops around his legs so that hopefully solves that issue. He’s just not a “go out and pee quickly” dog which doesn’t mesh well with being 60 lbs and needing to be carried down the steps.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 11:42 am Oh, how annoying. If you have one of those plastic totes or can get one from the grocery or something, I might just try cutting it to the rough pattern of the official one, including leg holes, to see. If you’ve got a proper one coming Monday the rough edges won’t be a factor long enough to worry.
university minion* August 24, 2019 at 11:45 am Either a towel rigged as a sling or a reusable grocery bag cut down the sides (depends on the size of the dog which works best) are tried and true methods for dealing with this.
LCL* August 24, 2019 at 11:45 am I have not done this, but I would try getting one of the those harnesses that have a big wide piece of fabric or netting over the chest. Then you can hang on to the harness to support his front weight (more weight is up front on dogs) and use the towel under the back. If there is a vet you trust that is open this weekend, call them and ask if there is a tech available to show you how to help your dog with this, they must deal with it as part of their regular work.
Mrs. Carmen Sandiego JD* August 24, 2019 at 11:38 am So hubs & I found a house, contract, homeowner inspection done, radon inspection underway. We have a terrific real estate agent but a horribly unresponsive mortgage officer. How do we relax and enjoy this journey? Hubs and I have been getting stress stomachaches over things that could go wrong etc. we’re going to a free concert tonight to de-stress. Any de-stressing ideas out there (not travel since we have a bunch of meetings between now and closing)? Ideas to stay sane? We’re one step closer to getting a place that will allow for a cat to roam indoors. That’s one thing I keep telling myself.
KR* August 24, 2019 at 12:05 pm Can you go to a shelter and play with the kiddies or volunteer to walk the dogs? That might help get you excited to have a house with roaming kitties! I always find petting animals is a nice way to relax and it makes you feel great for volunteering and giving the animals some love.
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 12:56 pm We were in a very similar situation last year (especially with a nightmare loan officer). Since the process has large stretches of inactivity on your part, it’s best to put it out of your mind whenever you can, by doing the little things you enjoy. When you’re currently handling stuff, I’m not sure stress is avoidable. That’s why I tried to decompress while things were quiet.
Auntie Social* August 24, 2019 at 1:53 pm Go to mortgage officer’s boss and tell him you want another LO that ISN’T in a coma.
Mrs. Carmen Sandiego JD* August 24, 2019 at 4:37 pm Wish I could…unfortunately all loan officers have a similar response rate since we’re not directly paying them so they have no incentive for swift action. Spent last Monday contacting her supervisors (as did our agent). O.o
Reba* August 25, 2019 at 9:27 am Talk with your agent about switching lenders. It might not be too late, and a serious threat of lost business might help. You’re not *actually* locked in to working with them until you sign the closing stuff! (Usually just de facto locked in by needing to make your deadline.) OTOH if my experience is anything to go by, all lenders suck in their ways, and even the responsive brokers don’t always give good service just because they answer your emails quickly. While we were buying I read some factoid that was like “2 out of 5 people report crying at least once while buying or selling a home.” No doubt a spurious study, but that made me feel better!
Soupspoon McGee* August 24, 2019 at 11:44 am I graduated PA school on Wednesday, and for the last two days, I’ve been catching up on years of sleep.
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 11:13 pm Congratulations!! Woo hoo! And enjoy the much needed sleep….
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 3:27 am Congratulations! I remember when you announced on AAM that you had been accepted into PA school. As an RN, I have heard many good things about PAs really liking their careers.
Got my eye on you* August 24, 2019 at 11:55 am Has anyone had a Vitrectomy done or know anyone that had it done? (Eye procedure where vitreous humor gel that fills the eye cavity is removed to provide better access to the retina.) My mom has to have it done and is very nervous about it.
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 1:20 pm My spouse had it done for retinal reattachment. We had to rent a special massage chair and a massage table for him to sleep on face-down. He had to spend about 3 weeks face-down 24 hours a day. It’s a chore. The chair had a mirror with it so he could lay his head face-down all day, but still watch tv. The rentals cost a few hundred dollars out of pocket. We know one guy failed to stay face-down and had to have his surgery re-done. Your eye doctor can tell just by looking in your eye if you followed orders, so please tell your mom to follow orders. Get the furniture in advance if they’re needed, since my spouse had a temporary limit on what he could lift after retinal surgery. My spouse’s surgery was very successful and he hasn’t had any more trouble since. I hope the same for your mom.
moql* August 26, 2019 at 2:29 pm Late but… My dad did this. It was awful. The worst was just the boredom. He wasn’t allowed to read, so all he could do for two weeks was watch tv, tv, and more tv… The best thing you can do is come over and read the news or other things like that. He got a bit into audiobooks, but couldn’t read descriptions to decide what he wanted to listen to. His neck and back definitely were sore, even with the supportive chairs, etc, so do not cheap out on those.
YouwantmetodoWHAT?!* August 24, 2019 at 11:59 am So excited – it’s vacation time! My hubby & I are on our way to go camping in Tahoe for a few days then up to Humboldt then back home with, hopefully, a bit more camping. It’s been a loooong time since we’ve camped, or vacationed. Whoot!
No fan of Chaos* August 24, 2019 at 2:28 pm I live in Reno and know Tahoe is quite cold at night. Pack accordingly.
YouwantmetodoWHAT?!* August 24, 2019 at 5:06 pm Always. We used to camp a LOT, so layers and lots of bedding!
Friend who keeps breaking stuff* August 24, 2019 at 12:18 pm So, I have an awkward social problem. I have a friend who keeps breaking my stuff, and it’s starting to really annoy me. The reason this is more complicated than “yell at friend, make him replace broken stuff, find new friend who doesn’t break stuff” is that he has several disabilities and I’m thinking they’re related to the breaking my stuff problem. (For example, he broke my toilet seat lid, but I’m pretty sure it’s because my toilet does not have a grab bar and he was looking for something to hang onto. He uses a leg prosthesis and it sounds like he needs to grab onto something to raise and lower himself to the toilet, which of course he did not mention to me when I pointed out the two bathrooms in my house, one of which is much easier to hang onto something while using than the other.) He’s just…clumsy and bad at figuring out when things are about to get knocked off of tables (he’ll put a cup near the edge of a table, then swing a swivel chair with a tilted back around and be surprised that his cup gets knocked over), bent my kitchen tongs when he tried to force them open without pushing in the end piece that keeps them closed, and generally seems to break something of mine every time I spent an extended amount of time with him. Is there a polite way to bring this up with him? He had a major health incident a few years back that led to a pretty serious set of new disabilities, and I think he just doesn’t have good awareness of his surroundings since one of the changes was pretty severe vision difficulties. He doesn’t have the instincts that someone who grew up not relying on vision would use to figure out his environment and I think that causes him to not notice things like where the releases are on kitchen tongs or how close his cup is to the edge of the table. (He can see, but has to use both glasses and a magnifying glass to do things like read text on a computer, so I’m not sure how well he can see things in general.)
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:35 pm Oh, that’s a challenging one, and it depends a bit on the relationship. I do think that there’s a certain host obligation to consider things like bathrooms rather than waiting for the person to speak up (kind of the equivalent of workplaces being obligated to include them rather than waiting to be asked), but something like the tongs wouldn’t be something I could see forestalling. The other possibility is that he’s always been kind of like this–I don’t know if you knew him before his health incident, but some of us are just more inclined to casually put stuff in places where they’re at risk. I also don’t know how much he’s at your place compared to other people–is it possible that his breakage is actually pretty proportionate and he’s just there more? So in response I might spend more time at his place; I would also keep a slightly sharper eye, assuming you’re home when he’s over, on things like risky placement of full beverages (“Bob, that carpet’s a bitch to clean–can you move that glass of red wine farther from the table edge? Thanks”). I could see if the tongs situation were typical saying “Bob, if you run into trouble with my kitchen stuff can you ask me? I really like to take care of my stuff so I’d rather show you than let stuff get damaged.” But also have a look at Captain Awkward’s post about the Chaos Muppet, which gives a lot of insight about what it feels like to be in that position.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 12:35 pm https://captainawkward.com/2013/06/07/485-settling-the-chaos-muppet-within/
valentine* August 24, 2019 at 2:09 pm Don’t invite him over. It’s going to be something new each time and you don’t want to have to treat him like he’s a wild toddler. You don’t say how he feels about not communicating his needs, not asking for help (tongs), and breaking your stuff. Did he offer to pay for anything or suggest how he might avoid incidents? It’s not ableist to have him in your space when everything is a one-off (except the depth perception on the cup).
Friend who keeps breaking stuff* August 24, 2019 at 2:21 pm I don’t think he’s breaking my stuff more than he’s breaking anyone else’s stuff, I’m just more annoyed at someone breaking my stuff than someone breaking stuff in general, and more likely to be aware that it happened since I’m the one who now has a broken thing. He’s definitely breaking my stuff far more than other people are breaking my stuff. (These are club events with 10-20 people at them, and he’s the only one who has broken anything so far over multiple events at my home. These are all adults and there is usually no alcohol and a lot of sitting down at tables at our club events, so it’s not normal for things to get broken much in the course of club stuff compared to, say, a party with a lot of drinking and dancing.) I’m not really sure if this is a lifelong thing with knocking over glasses and such – I didn’t know him well before his health issue because I was fairly new to the club when it happened. (Most other people have been in this club a lot longer than I have – I’m younger than a lot of the rest of them.) I suspect part of the problem is that he does not want to ask for help and is not used to needing help, so he tries to “fake” his way along with things like the tongs he can’t figure out how to open (or emails that he sends without proofreading) rather than thinking “ok, this is something that is not easy for me anymore and I will have to figure out a way for this to work anyway or ask for help”.
fposte* August 24, 2019 at 2:38 pm Yeah, when you posted that this was part of a group thing this clarified stuff considerably. I don’t think there’s any way to have a useful conversation with him about any overall pattern here, especially since you don’t know if it’s due to his disability or not; if he’s not comfortable asking for help now, that’s not likely to make him more so. I think your choices are individual policing, limiting hosting, and sharing stuff that you won’t miss. (That’s why I acquired specific potluck plates and cutlery.)
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 1:01 pm So, longer term, has he had pt/ot and if not, can you suggest it? For things like a glass on the edge, I’d just move it, like I do with small children. With tongs, push the button in and then hand it to.him.
Friend who keeps breaking stuff* August 24, 2019 at 2:29 pm I assume he’s had PT/OT. He spent a long time in a nursing home as part of his health issues, and that’s usually part of the deal there. It may have been focused on getting around with the leg prosthesis rather than the vision issues, though. I am doing things like moving his cups when I notice them, but I’m also trying not to act like I’m parenting a toddler around him because he is, in fact, an adult rather than a kid I’m taking care of. I try very hard not to treat people with disabilities like children (unless, of course, they are actual children), so I feel really uncomfortable proactively moving his cup away from the edge, trying to anticipate if he’ll need help with something (but not ask for it), and generally being on “what will you break next patrol” like I do when my 5 year old nephew comes to visit rather than treating him with the autonomy I would other adult guests.
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 1:38 pm How about visiting him at HIS place? In fact, this might have to happen if his issues are getting worse and it’s not safe for him to spend time in a disability-unfriendly environment. Are you willing to alter your home to make it safer for him? He might need to take classes from a blind school on how to cope with limited vision. There are classes and in-home consultations for dealing with vision problems. My in-laws have done both. You can be as irritated as you like about your broken things. Feelings are feelings. You are recognizing why your things are breaking and that’s good, too. Consider bringing this up to your friend in the context of getting him more help in coping with his newer disabilities. Sending good thoughts.
Friend who keeps breaking stuff* August 24, 2019 at 2:03 pm These are usually group events that are either hosted in my home or I’ve brought stuff to (for example, the tongs were at a potluck at yet another person’s house, and I’d brought them to serve my potluck dish). We’re both part of the same club rather than “one on one” friends for the most part, so these are usually 10-20 person gatherings. He does not offer to host club things at his house/apartment. I’m not sure of his exact living situation (it may be a small apartment or lots of roommates – we’re in an area with pretty expensive housing and he had to do a major career re-build after his health scare because he was off work for many months and lost clients). The tendency is for people who have houses (and understanding partners, if applicable) to offer to host, and there are plenty of people in the club who never offer for various reasons (and it’s not something anyone pressures them to do, since we have enough people who are interested in hosting as-is).
YetAnotherUsername* August 24, 2019 at 2:26 pm Since there’s no pressure on hosting, maybe stop offering to host for a while, and don’t bring anything you care about getting broken to the potlucks.
Friend who keeps breaking stuff* August 24, 2019 at 2:31 pm Yeah, that’s kind of where I’m at right now. :( It’s frustrating since I’d generally much rather host at my house than go to someone else’s house, particularly since pretty much everyone else in the club has cats that I’m allergic to, but I just need a break from having my stuff broken. I have purchased a new potluck bowl and tongs from the dollar store, and I’m just going to try to take a break from being the one dealing with this.
Purt’s Peas* August 24, 2019 at 2:17 pm I think that if possible you should take a break from hosting him—I think that this kind of thing can create a feedback loop of increased vigilance / increased tension / increased mistakes.
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 5:38 pm Has he had any kind of training to deal with these disabilities, particularly the vision issues? It sounds like he might need some help learning to navigate. He may want to check and see if he’s eligible for something through Vocational Rehabilitation or or a local resource center for independent living, or something like that. If he’s on SSI, maybe they would know.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 10:26 pm Your last paragraph leads me to believe that he is still insisting on using his eyes even though the eyes are barely working. Using a magnifier on a computer screen telegraphs this person is having serious trouble. The last time I saw this one it was a case of macular made worse by cataracts. Once the cataracts came off things were better for a bit. I have seen this with folks who have failing vision, though- they break stuff, lose stuff, oh my, it’s a challenge. I don’t know how well you know him or how much you can say. But I think going for the overarching problem might be your best bet. The guy has dimming vision and the expected difficulties. Check in your area for assistance for the blind and find out some basic info for resources. Talk to them a little bit about what you have said here and ask for some tips on how to broach the subject. I talked with someone here on behalf of a third party and found they were super willing to jump in with suggestions. I found out there is even a technology fair for the blind near me. In these specifics you may find an opening that you can start a conversation with him. Hopefully you can craft a conversation that sounds more like, “Wouldn’t it be nice not to have stuff break on ya?” rather than, “STOP breaking my stuff!”
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 24, 2019 at 1:19 pm My house was built in the mid 80s, and this weekend I’m having all the windows and the patio slider – which were all the originals, and the cheapest builder grade stuff to boot – replaced. Starting about six months ago, they just started falling apart. The morning a spring shot out of my office window’s mechanism and about hit me in the head was the day I called in for quotes. :-P So today, it’s a lovely sunny day in the low 70s, breezy, and I’m sitting in my living room with my new double-hung window open and loving it. (My dog, however, is very disconcerted by all the outside she can hear. Hopefully that settles down soonish.)
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 2:03 pm New windows! SUCH a joy. My folks’ new place is desperately, desperately in need of new windows (original 70s single-paned wood-framed windows with storm windows that, as far as I can tell, cannot be removed) and it’ll be a good day when those suckers get replaced.
Aurora Leigh* August 24, 2019 at 2:54 pm We got new windows last fall ( I have no idea how old the originals were) and it’s so amazing to be able to open and close them easily! The wood was rotting on the oldd ones, a couple were paimted shut some of them had had the wood things that make the window look like it’s divided into panes were painted over so there was paint on the glass. Added bonus, these new double pane windows are so much better at keeping the cold and drafts out, we saw the difference on our heat bill immediately.
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 24, 2019 at 9:06 pm My heat is all electric, and yeah, I’m looking forward to seeing the difference they make on that bill :)
Virginia Plain* August 24, 2019 at 1:20 pm I’m looking for a bit of advice regarding buying new glasses. I haven’t bought a pair in almost 4 years (yikes) and I need to get a new pair. I’ve made an appointment with an eye clinic I’ve heard good things about via word of mouth, but I’m getting nervous because they’re also a boutique. The last time I went to an eye boutique, I felt suuuper pressured to by their ridiculously priced glasses, I ended up actually ordering a pair of glasses for $1000 (WTF was I thinking) that I returned immediately before making the final purchase, it was just too much! So, that’s also why I’ve been stuck with the same pair of glasses for 4 years. I could already feel the high pressure sales tactics from the staff regarding how great their glasses are and now I’m desperate to avoid being roped in. I wanted to confirm that I could take my prescription anywhere else, and naturally they started going on about how their lenses are “some of the best in the industry such as blah blah which are also used in high end cameras” and I kept wondering if I was supposed to care?? Do I really need Carl Zeiss lenses??? Is the shit Lens Crafters sells that bad? Does it actually matter??? I have astigmatism and all that good stuff, so my lenses are going to cost a small fortune anyway, so…. erm… I don’t really think I need these fancy lenses. Not to mention how overpriced frames are. I have a bunch of money in my health spending account to use up before it expires, which is also why I’m getting glasses. So I could, theoretically, buy a more expensive pair… but… why? Unfortunately, due to my superscription, I have no desire to figure out how to get glasses via Zenni or whatever other mail-in services exist. It’s just too much work.
jDC* August 24, 2019 at 1:34 pm It takes like 5 mins to get glasses online. Super easy and way more options and better pricing.
Virginia Plain* August 24, 2019 at 1:44 pm I have a strong prescription and astigmatism, I think I’m at a point where the price difference for actual lenses would be negligible.
Alex* August 24, 2019 at 1:52 pm I also have a strong prescription and crazy astigmatism and have to pay through the nose for glasses. I bought sunglasses through Zenni successfully, although I’m not sure I would go with my everyday glasses through them. My lenses were about 25% of the price on Zenni vs. my local chain glasses store. So, about $100 when my usual lenses are about $400. I’ve had them for about a year and a half and have no trouble with the prescription. The frames aren’t the best quality, IME. (I got plastic frames, and the coating has warped and wrinkled). I was also nervous because I have “one of those” prescriptions but it turned out OK. I did use the pupil measurement that was taken when I’d been to the local store, so I knew that was right, and I also had them adjusted (for free) at Sunglasses Hut, which adjusts any pair of glasses for free even if you didn’t buy them there.
jDC* August 24, 2019 at 7:44 pm Ohhh. Ya my ex had that. I will say he says there was his life before lasik and his life after. I don’t have horrible vision just need glasses for driving at night or a movie so I can’t say first hand but he says he wished he’d done it so long ago. Also cured his long time migraines.
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 1:40 pm I get my glasses at lens crafters. They are not shit and I’ve never felt pressured.
Virginia Plain* August 24, 2019 at 1:45 pm I’ve actually always had LensCrafter, but now the upsell from the other place has me wondering if they’re THAT bad ??
!* August 24, 2019 at 1:45 pm Zenni has been great for me. They do single, bifocal and progressives very well and very inexpensively. I will never not order my glasses online and is definitely not too much work and very easy to use to save hundreds of dollars on something I use daily. Up to you though.
Wishing You Well* August 24, 2019 at 1:50 pm Ask everyone you know where they buy glasses. Heck, ask friendly-looking strangers wearing glasses where they bought them and if they would recommend the place. Try Yelp. You need frames that look good on you, so you need a trusted person to evaluate the frames as you try them on. Take a friend/relative with you. Tell them ahead of time you expect a sales pitch and to please support you, if needed. You can do this!
Auntie Social* August 24, 2019 at 1:51 pm There are lots of places that sell mid-range glasses. You dont have to buy Dior or Prada (but those are nice and so lightweight, both of them). I’d also get a second pair for the car, by the bed, whatever, and a pair of sunglasses. I have astigmatism too and I go to JCPenney Optical, and splurge once in a great while on 1 posh frame. Costco is good too.
Windchime* August 25, 2019 at 12:13 pm I buy my glasses at Costco and I’ve always been really happy with them. Previously I had purchased a pair at the office where the Optometrist worked and for $450 I got a pair of glasses where the lenses had been accidentally swapped. So I started going to Costco and have been a happy camper ever since. I jut bought my first pair of prescription sunglasses a few weeks ago and I am deleriously happy with them.
londonedit* August 24, 2019 at 2:21 pm I’d say do your research and be clear on what you want. I don’t know about the places you’ve mentioned as I’m in the UK, but I got my last pair of glasses from a renownedly-cheap chain (Specsavers) with a prescription from my optician. I’d always hated my previous pairs because they’d screw up my depth perception, or there would be weird yellow lines on the edges of my vision, and I finally worked out that it was the lens thinning causing those problems. I’d always been talked into lens thinning by opticians (not my current one) with scare stories of how awful my prescription would look with no thinning, how heavy the glasses would be, but it turns out they’re totally fine and not having thin lenses doesn’t affect my vision like the thinned ones did! I felt much better going in armed with my research, so I could say ‘No, I’m not paying for the thin lenses, thank you’, and they were fine with that.
Lilith* August 24, 2019 at 2:41 pm I’m in the U.S. & keep seeing commercials for Warbey Parker. Would that work for you?
ValaMalDoran* August 25, 2019 at 2:16 pm Might I ask how strong your prescription is? I always go for the lenses thinning, and now you’ve got me wondering.
SarahKay* August 26, 2019 at 11:30 am Not sure if anyone is still reading, since it’s now Monday, but I am at -6 in each eye, with minor astigmatism. Last time I needed new lenses I asked for and (with a little determination, got) new lenses in my existing frames (I like my current frames), and without the thinner lenses. The assistant tried making a huge deal out of how enormously, absurdly, heavy the glasses would be. To which I pointed out that I used to wear really heavy frames (thick frames, some sort of very dense plastic? Google 1980’s women’s glasses for an idea) with non-thin lenses that had a far larger diameter and I’d survived for twenty years, so I would probably be fine. Spoiler alert: The non-thin lenses were, and are, just fine! I have the advantage that lens thinning wasn’t available when I first started wearing glasses 40-odd years ago, and wasn’t affordable when I was a student / starting out in working life, so the pair I was getting fixed were the first-ever pair I’d had with thin lenses which was why I had no doubts on the subject. (I also put my foot down very firmly that I didn’t want the anti-scratch coating – which, ironically had become scratched so badly it was annoying me and was why I needed new lenses. I’d had the old lenses for about three years, and I think it was due to my habit of reading in bed every night wearing glasses – the side I lie on to read was the lens most scratched).
Overeducated* August 24, 2019 at 2:49 pm Just say “thanks, I’ll think about it, but I’m not ready to buy today so for now I’d just like a written copy of my prescription.” I got my last glasses from glasses usa dot com, so cheap I bought two (about $100 each!). One pair was cute, the other didn’t look great, but I’m stuck with them since I somehow lost the cute ones. I’m undecided as to whether I’ll replace them with something new online since the model I got seems to be unavailable now, or spend twice as much at a Warby Parker so I can try before I buy. Either way, my optician’s has a much smaller and way more expensive selection, so I will shamelessly take my online glasses back there to get adjusted.
Becky* August 25, 2019 at 5:38 am Just say “thanks, I’ll think about it, but I’m not ready to buy today so for now I’d just like a written copy of my prescription.” This! And don’t believe them if they say they can’t give you the prescription or that you have to fill the prescription with them or that you have to pay a fee for the prescription. (You DO have to have paid for the exam itself though.) They MUST provide you with a prescription after the exam; refusing to do so or charging a fee to do so is in violation of federal regulations.
Christy* August 24, 2019 at 2:51 pm I tend to buy expensive glasses, but I just think of them as an accessory that everyone sees every day and so I don’t really mind spending the money on them. I wanna look good, y’all! And I’m picky.
Nessun* August 25, 2019 at 12:49 am I think good glasses are worth the cost, but mine are for astigmatism and have a prism, so I use my optometrist’s sales group because I trust them with the prescription. My latest pair were $250 for the frames, which isn’t too bad considering my last pair I wore for 4 years. I do make a friend come look at the frames with me – I told her she’ll be looking at them more than I will, so she might as well help me pick cute ones!
General von Klinkerhoffen* August 25, 2019 at 2:05 pm For similar reasons, when I have my eyes retested next month I’m intending to buy one solid pair then also a bunch of different cheap glasses with interesting frames (different bright colours, a catseye pair, etc) just like you might have different purses or interesting shoes. They are a huge part of my Lewk now. Meanwhile my sibling gets one $$$ pair on the basis that his price per wear is pennies. Aaaaaaaaand Spouse pays more than either of us for daily contract lenses. We’re all vain in different ways.
Dancing Otter* August 24, 2019 at 3:05 pm I get my eyes examined at Costco optical center. The optometrist’s office is enclosed — near where they sell glasses, but no direct connection. If you have any disease of the eye, like glaucoma or cataracts, you would need to see an ophthalmologist, but for basic screenings and eyeglass prescriptions, an optometrist is sufficient. Exam is reasonably priced, and there’s no pressure to buy your glasses there. They give you a hard-copy of your prescription without being prompted, but remember to ask for your “pupillary distance” to be included. The pupillary distance affects how the central focus points of the lenses are positioned. If you buy your glasses in person, the tech can measure the pupillary distance, but ordering online you have to know it. Costco glasses are a lot more affordable than at eye care boutiques. The selection isn’t infinite, maybe 200-300 different frames, but it’s a good intermediate point between the high-priced shops and the online places. They’re really good about fitting (and refitting after I fell asleep in mine and bent them…twice). You can try on a lot of different styles without any pressure to make up your mind and buy. I like Zenni for online glasses. They are extremely reasonable in cost, offer a lot of options, and have great guidance for choosing the right fit. I’ve gotten five pairs of glasses from them, including prescription sunglasses, and not been disappointed with the quality of any of them. None cost over $100, but they’re single vision; bifocals would be more, naturally, but probably still under $200.
Dr. Anonymous* August 24, 2019 at 4:01 pm Go to Lenscrafters to begin with if your only vision complication is astigmatism. I do buy the fancy lenses and go to fancy places because I have astigmatism and strabismus and bifocals and the high-end lenses and extra-well-trained opticians to dispense the glasses make a difference between whether I can see or not. But until I got into prisms and bifocals, Lenscrafters worked just fine for me. Don’t let reviews and word of mouth put you into a situation where you’ll feel bullied by sales staff. It’s not worth it.
LGC* August 24, 2019 at 4:46 pm So, you’re already well on your way to fixing the problem! A lot of eye doctors will pressure you to buy frames and lenses from them – as I understand it, that’s how they really make their money. Do you have a script to deal with high pressure sales tactics? Do you know what upsells you need and are useful? (I am VERY nearsighted, so hmu on the high index lenses. But I also know I like simple rectangular frames.) Another thing I’ve done if I feel pressured is to say I want to come back later to make a decision. (Sometimes I actually do!) Finally, make a note to get a copy of your prescription so you don’t forget to bring it up. They might not be happy, but that’s their problem. As an online guy – I’ll stunt for Warby Parker. I’m wearing WP frames and lenses right now. They’re a bit more pricy than Zenni but the quality is good. They do exams as well, but the doctor local to me didn’t take vision insurance. (So, $95 vs. $10. Considering my daily drivers were $125 vs. ~$175 at a doctor for my last pair…it’d be worth it after a couple of pairs.)
Earthwalker* August 24, 2019 at 6:09 pm Top quality lenses can be important but not for everyone. I have bifocals and prisms and an unusual sensitivity to base curve and refractive index of plastics, so I need a very savvy doctor and glass lenses. But most people can buy Lenscrafter glasses with modern optical plastics and do just fine. If your prescription is simple, you’ve never had any problem with bad glasses in the past, and your only problem is cost, try Lenscrafters. Otherwise consider asking friends for optometrist recommendations, and then see if you can visit the doctor’s optical department ahead of the appointment to browse frames and talk to the opticians before you’re ready to buy. BTW, a woman can shop the men’s frame section. A few models are chonky but many are pretty unisex. They may be cheaper and they’re often sturdier.
Fikly* August 24, 2019 at 7:02 pm It really depends on what type of lenses you need. (I worked at a boutique place). If you have, for example, a bog-standard single vision prescription, lens crafters or someplace online is totally fine. If you need progressives, you need a professional to measure you for the focal point while wearing your chosen frames, and thus any you order online will not work as well as ones you are measured for in person (unless you get very lucky). Once you get beyond single vision lenses, yeah, to a certain extent, you do get what you pay for. Not everyone needs the fancy stuff, but it depends on your eyes. Most of the online places have fairly good return policies, I think, so you could try, but I wouldn’t count on it working. There may also be the option of purchasing frames elsewhere and then the lenses through your shop? Keep in mind that plastic frames are more fragile than metal, long term. I was unlucky enough to start needing progressives at age 29. My glasses are extremely expensive. And I need prescription sunglasses (with progressives!) as well for migraine prevention. Every year I have to replace both because my vision changes that much.
Reliquary* August 24, 2019 at 7:14 pm Warby Parker. Go to an onsite place if you can. Our local one is terrific, even with complicated trifocal prescriptions.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 10:23 pm In every part of the US I’ve lived in, the optometrist who tests your vision is (has to be) separate from the shop that sells the frames & lenses. They can be located in the same building, but the space is separate, and they are not employed by the shop – it’s a private practice. You are entitled to take your prescription anywhere you want to be filled. Don’t ask the people in the shop, ask the optometrist. And if they give you a runaround, cancel the appointment. Just walk out. I am coke-bottle nearsighted, with severe astigmatism, and now need progressives. I’ve had perfectly fine glasses from LensCrafters, Costco, Warby Parker, and my latest is from EyeMart Express. This latest pair had $20 frames, and they were running a special of 2 pairs for $76. So I got one set of regular, one set of sunglasses, with progressives and the optional antiglare coating for something like $125 including tax. They’re totally fine and I get compliments on the style all the time.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 10:33 pm Going in a different direction, I reused my frames instead of buying new frames on top of new lenses. Since my frames were only four years old they said they could just replace the lenses. I probably paid around $600 for the glasses I had. By reusing the frames, I was able to cut that price almost in half.
Acornia* August 24, 2019 at 11:51 pm I’ve tried to do this, but they need to have the frames for 7-10 days and that’s not happening…
Fikly* August 25, 2019 at 1:45 am That’s only if the place sends out the lenses to be cut. You need to find a place that cuts them in shop. That just takes 30 minutes.
Fikly* August 25, 2019 at 11:04 pm Any rx can be cut on site, the equipment is pretty universal, unless your lenses are glass.
NoLongerYoung* August 25, 2019 at 3:03 am Costco. My friend the teacher actually joined to get access too, after seeing how much I liked mine and how much I saved. (They bought out Franklin Optical.). Your eye doctor/ optometrist – whoever you see – has to give you the prescription, so you can take it anywhere. I had a great tech, she fitted me very carefully, and the price was half what my regular place was. And I have a very difficult prescription, wear trifocals, deep astigmatism, and -8 on one side, the other is less (post retinal detachment). You wouldn’t know that I’m so bad, because I was able to get super high index lenses, etc etc. I had enough left over to actually order a pair solely for wearing when I’m on the computer. (no distance, but it gives me the correct range for the computer screen distance). So worth it. My previous pair with all the bells and whistles at the regular place? $1000.
Llellayena* August 25, 2019 at 7:19 am I use an independent place next to my eye doctor (though not directly affiliated). They grind the lenses there so you give them your prescription, they measure your eyes, order the lenses and then you can either have them put in your current frames (in about 30 min during your second visit) or pick new. No pressure on price, how they look and feel is more important. I have a weird head size, halfway between kid and adult frame widths so I have to order my size once I select. I’ve used the same specific frames for 10 years at a time before needing new (and I got the same ones).
Rebecca* August 25, 2019 at 11:48 am Eyeglasses – another issue with my Mom. She has glasses, and I noticed that she holds them up with one hand while holding what she’s reading with the other. They’re old fashioned almost 80’s style round plastic frames. I asked her why she does this, and she said she can’t see out of the bifocal part unless she holds them up like that. I also asked, why didn’t you go back and have them adjusted? She just didn’t want to. Then she told me “these are really special frames, meant to hold up under constantly taking them on and off like I do, and I paid $400 for them plus lenses. They told me they would last”. They, meaning the optometrist. So one day when she was outside, I grabbed them and Googled the make and model, and found them anywhere from $75 – $125 retail online. Not $400. Seriously, some providers should be ashamed of themselves. I showed her the results online, and she was mad. It’s her fault she can’t see out of them correctly, for not going back and getting them adjusted, but they overcharged her 3+ times what the frames actually cost. Not cool.
Lusara* August 25, 2019 at 6:11 pm I’ve found that with lenses you really get what you pay for. I get them through my eye dr. Yes, they are expensive, but there is a real difference in quality and the service is great. One time I even bought new frames and after a month of adjustment, they still weren’t comfortable. They let me get different frames, which required new lenses, at no charge. I got lenses at Costco once to save money and they were total crap. I wear progressives and you could see the focal circle in the center of the lenses, and even though I paid for the anti-scratch coating, they got a scratch within two weeks. That’s the only time I’ve ever had a lens get a scratch.
Jaid* August 25, 2019 at 8:05 pm I have progressive lenses. My prescription is from my ophthalmologist, my frames are from Lois Cohen Designs, and I go to a local optician (Today’s Eyewear). Altogether, I spent around $500 for the lot, which isn’t bad for having the HD Progressive lenses and custom fitting.
Foreign Octopus* August 24, 2019 at 2:05 pm Book thread! What’s everyone reading this week? I finished Winter in Madrid by C.J. Sansom last night and have mixed feelings about it. The first third was a little boring, then I really enjoyed the middle bit, but felt let down by the end. I know that a number of people on here really enjoy his Shardlake series. Should I give it a shot? I didn’t hate Winter in Madrid but I also didn’t really enjoy it, so I’m undecided about trying the historical series. As for this weekend, I’m reading Birdsong by Sebastian Faulks and there is a lot more sex in it than I thought there would be. I’m about 80 pages in and there has been a lot of literary description of sex. It’s a little weird, and I don’t get the attraction between the two main characters, Isabelle and Stephen; I’m not sold on the fact that they’re in love as they both claim to be, but I’m going to persevere because I know there’s an adaptation out there with Eddie Redmayne and Clemence Poesy that I would like to watch when I’m done.
EvilQueenRegina* August 24, 2019 at 2:27 pm I just finished Lock Every Door by my favourite author Riley Sager. Let’s just say it’s not recommended reading for liver boss.
cat socks* August 24, 2019 at 3:05 pm Ha! I read that book a few weeks ago. And I love all books by that author. Great page turners.
Valancy Snaith* August 24, 2019 at 2:37 pm I’ve been slowly working through It’s OK That You’re Not OK by Megan Devine, which is absolutely fantastic and I want to recommend it to anyone who’s ever experienced any kind of loss ever.
Her name is Anne, she has no other* August 24, 2019 at 2:39 pm My favourite Faulks is On Green Dolphin Street. I’ve just finished The Flatshare by Beth O’ Leary which was brilliant if slightly obvious.
Overeducated* August 24, 2019 at 2:44 pm I’ve just read The Magicians and The Magician King by Lev Grossman. The first was very good, the second decent, and I’m about to start the third.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 3:02 pm I picked up a Maisie Dobbs book on a whim at the library and the lovely librarian said, “Oh! That’s the second one, would you like me to do an inter-library request for the first one since we don’t have it in? They’re very good!” So I’m partway through the first one. It’s… fine! Not as literary as I’d like and could REALLY do with one more edit, because GOOD LORD NO ONE says each other’s names that often, but the story is certainly interesting so far. Anyone have a recommendation for a good mystery/detective series (not too cozy but not grisly)? I’ve read every P.D. James book she ever wrote, and my fallback is always just rereading the Harriet books in the Wimsey mysteries, if that gives you a direction.
NeverNicky* August 24, 2019 at 3:51 pm I found the first Maisie Dobbs a bit meh but I think I’d picked the first three in a charity shop for £1 or something so I did persevere – the series gets a lot better.
Jen Erik* August 24, 2019 at 4:38 pm I like the Laurie R King books (starts with The Beekeeper’s Apprentice)- Sherlock Holmes in his retirement meets a brilliant younger – girl, really, in the first book – and trains her as an assistant. The series lost me in the middle, but the first few are great, and I enjoyed the latest. On a different tack, Tana French’s Dublin Murders (starts with In the Woods) are really good (although I could not buy into the second, because it asked me to imagine two unrelated people looking almost identical). But the fun thing about this series is that the protagonist changes from book to book, so, for example, the detective who is the protagonist in the first book works with a partner, and then she is the protagonist in the next book (with her what-are-the-odds-of-that? similarity to another woman.) And then the person who recruited her for that job is the lead in the next book. And so forth. It’s just an interesting way to do it – the difference between a character through another’s eyes, and from their own perspective – and it solves the problem of doling out bits of a person’s story over a long series. (Which makes me think of Ngaio Marsh, but I’m assuming if you’ve read Sayers you’ve read her as well.)
Jen Erik* August 24, 2019 at 4:45 pm Also – I couldn’t bring the name to mind, but as soon as I posted it came – Sarah Caudwell wrote a short series about lawyers that I remember being fun.
forensic13* August 24, 2019 at 7:51 pm If you’ve never heard of/read of Colin Cotterill’s books, I highly recommend them. They’re not always easy to find, but they’re great. I like the Dr. Siri Paiboun books a lot. They’re set in Laos in the 1970s, and the main character is a older pathologist. They’re a lot of fun and he really captures the world-building well.
Dragonista* August 26, 2019 at 5:46 pm Have you read the Jackson Brodie books by Kate Atkinson? The series started with Case Histories. It’s set in Cambridge, England and the protagonist is Jackson Brodie, former police inspector & now a PI.
Turtlewings* August 24, 2019 at 4:05 pm After devouring the Good Omens miniseries twice in three weeks, I’m now reading the book. It’s definitely interesting seeing what changed and what didn’t between the two, since the miniseries is mostly a very faithful adaptation — many scenes are word-for-word!
Foreign Octopus* August 25, 2019 at 4:05 am I loved the miniseries! It was so good! It’s such a faithful adaptation because Neil Gaiman was very closely involved in adapting it for the screen. He really wanted to honour Terry Pratchett with it, and I think he did a great job. It’s also fun to watch Michael Sheen at the moment because he is a die-hard Good Omens fan and he’s demanding fanfiction from people and reading it. He’s an absolute delight.
HamlindigoBlue* August 24, 2019 at 4:31 pm This week, I finished Turn of the Key (Ruth Ware) and Prognosis: A Memoir of My Brain (Sarah Vallance, Amazon First Reads). Now, I’m reading Becoming (Michelle Obama), and in the car I’m listening to Neverwhere (Neil Gaiman).
Mrs. Carmen Sandiego JD* August 24, 2019 at 5:46 pm Beetle the Bard and HP3. Normally would read Murakami but with home buying stress wanted something cozy, simple & fun
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 5:48 pm I finally finished Wanderers by Chuck Wendig. It was good. Next up will probably be my linguistics textbook, which I FINALLY found while packing the contents of a living room bookcase. I need to work on my conlang. Stephen King has a new one coming out that I’m excited about, called The Institute. Of course, as a die-hard SK fangirl, I will get it no matter what, haha. Maybe I’ll get the Kindle version. I can buy a secondhand paper copy for the shelf later. Yes, I still have too many books. No, I did not get rid of any Stephen King books; they’re all packed. Yes, there are several boxes, mostly hardcover. And yes, everyone who helps me move is going to haaaaaate me.
The Cosmic Avenger* August 25, 2019 at 9:22 am Being Mortal by Atul Gawande. My library loan actually expired, but it hasn’t disappeared from my Kindle yet, so I’m trying not to exit it and hoping to finish it today!
Dragonista* August 26, 2019 at 5:52 pm I recently finished Velocity Weapon by Megan O’Keefe, it’s the first in a series. It’s sci-fi, did a great job of keeping me on y toes with a couple of plot twists I didn’t see coming. I’m now reading Ancestral Night by Elizabeth Bear. Also sci-fi, also excellent.
Pharmgirl* August 24, 2019 at 2:23 pm I went peach picking today and went a little overboard! Any suggestions for things to make?
Overeducated* August 24, 2019 at 2:42 pm Peach cobbler! Peach sour cream pancakes (Smitten Kitchen)! Peach salad or toast with balsamic, cheese, and maybe tomatoes!
BRR* August 24, 2019 at 3:00 pm Huge fan of peach tarts this year with a sweet crush and frangipane. You can make jam and freeze it.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 3:06 pm Buy low-sugar pectin and make the quick refrigerator jam recipe. Once your fruit is chopped, the process takes about 15 minutes. It’s not a good long-term solution (as in, you can’t store it for a year) but it uses up a lot of fruit and you’ll have super-fresh-tasting peach jam for your yogurt or toast or whatever for the next couple months. Alternatively, Carla Lalli Music’s galettes. For daily usage, toast with cream cheese, sliced peaches, and cinnamon is one of my all-time favorite breakfasts.
Agnodike* August 24, 2019 at 5:36 pm Pickled peaches! https://foodinjars.com/recipe/gingery-pickled-peaches/ If you don’t can, you can make a small batch and keep them in the fridge. (But it’s really really easy to can them, also.) They’re good in everything – I dump a jar over chicken thighs and bake for a delicious sweet-sour-savory supper, I eat them on ice cream, they’re perfect on a cheese plate, whatever.
Fikly* August 24, 2019 at 7:04 pm Do you have a grill? Because I have found nothing better than throwing perfectly ripe peach halves on a grill for a few minutes. You don’t even need to put anything on them. Pinch of salt, maybe. Ugh, so good.
Anono-me* August 25, 2019 at 1:29 am If you like crem brulee; cut the peaches in half, sprinkle with the magic sugar, broil. (If they are big, microwave for a few minutes. )Or if you have one, bake the peaches and use a blowtorch to carmelize the sugar. If you have more peaches than you can eat, make cobbler or pie filling and freeze for later.
Bluebell* August 25, 2019 at 1:25 pm Cold peach soup is a fantastic first course! Haven’t made it in a while but it’s so tasty.
On a pale mouse* August 24, 2019 at 2:42 pm I am Cat, ruler of all I survey. (Regarding the photo, if that wasn’t obvious.)
The Cosmic Avenger* August 25, 2019 at 9:21 am I mean, that’s always true, but yes, particularly so in the photo. =^..^=
Annoningisnecessary* August 24, 2019 at 2:44 pm Got a question/frustration/rantfor the community; Family member insists on organic for anything not prepared. Any milk, fruit, veggies or meats must be organic or they don’t want it. But vapes and eats junk food all day. And if we order out eats that as well. Is this super hypocritical or have I just completely reached BEC status?
Eva and Me* August 24, 2019 at 2:48 pm As long as that family member buys (pays and shops for) their own food, I would ignore it. It’s a lot to take, though, if others are expected to fund and shop for those items in the face of their obvious hypocrisy.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 3:09 pm Oh, it’s super dumb and annoying and self-righteous. But as long as I don’t have to cook for that person, it’s fine. You can draw that line –“Look, you can buy and cook your own organic stuff, Brenda, but it’s not in my budget, so you’ll either have to eat what’s here or figure something else out for yourself” — and then go full Jane Goodall/the Croc Hunter and just observe her weirdness with the detachment of a scientist (and maybe report back here in the free-for-all for our amusement?).
BRR* August 24, 2019 at 3:13 pm I’d be annoyed and I can see myself reaching BEC depending on how obnoxious they are about it.
Caterpie* August 24, 2019 at 4:48 pm No, I think you have a right to be annoyed if this person puts you in the position of cooking/buying ingredients for their meals. I have a fanily member like that, who my other family members will spend a ton of money for on organic, vegan, GF products for their visits only for cousin to turn their nose up at it yet eat hot dogs(!) at non-vegan, non-GF fast food places. Next time the person visits I’d just cheerfully let them know you were worried of buying the wrong thing and tell them how they can access the nearest grocery store.
Annoningisnecessary* August 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm This is the family member that I’ve posted about the last few Saturdays. They live with us. Has ALL the invisible diseases. :-| Has no money. Had EBT when first moved in, so I honestly didn’t care. Hey, you want to spend extra bucks on organic food that you’re going to let rot? Whatever. But only gets $15 now, apparently because when renewing told them that other family members send money. And $15 is not worth their time, apparently. I’m like – um what? So now it really effing irritates me. And honestly? I wouldn’t be so judgy if they didn’t vape & eat junk food all damn day.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 10:41 pm Buy what suits your budget. If they turn up their nose because it’s not organic, they are entitled to do that. You can also stop buying junk food. They’ll eat the normal food that the rest of you eat, if thats all that’s in the fridge. If someone is going to behave like my dependent child, then I am 100 percent okay with treating them like a child. Where do they get money to vape? It’s not free.
Anona* August 25, 2019 at 8:23 am Yes. It’s ok if organic isn’t in your budget. They’re welcome to find a way to contribute/buy their own food if it doesn’t meet their needs.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 4:00 pm Where does this person get the money for junk food and vaping? I’d buy whatever I wanted to buy for myself (I do buy a fair amount of organic stuff, and mostly cook from scratch, but I’m not evangelical about it). If family member wanted something else, FM could hand me the money and put his/her request on the grocery list.
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 10:41 pm This person is living in some dream world where they eat all healthy food. It’s a dream, not reality. Yeah, you are at BEC stage. They can vape outside and they can contribute money to compensate for the food they do eat. It’s hard but don’t let this stuff get to you. It’s their life and their body. Try to keep in mind that this is a very disconnected person. They have ideas but they cannot see that they do not follow through on their ideas. Until they get connected, expect this situation not to change. You will have things in life this person will never ever have if they continue on this road. Maybe if people stopped giving this person money then this person would be more motivated to be self-sufficient.
Gaia* August 24, 2019 at 3:00 pm So I am in a full on panic. I went in Monday for a routine 2x a year skin check (family history of melanoma means I am recommended to get checked regularly). I’ve done these twice a year for 10 years and never had anything come up. All of a sudden I’m being told I have a mole that wasn’t there last time and it is “concerning” and should be removed and sent for pathology. The results came back Friday and the derm called and asked me to come in for the results on Monday so that didn’t sound great. It doesn’t help that this mole popped up right in a spot that has been feeling…off for the past few months. It is right above my spine on my upper back (between shoulder blades) and while my back has always given me issues, this spot has been worse for most of this year. Always stiff and sore, constantly “popping.” I know logically the two aren’t likely to be connected but when I don’t have enough information my mind goes to worse case scenarios.
Purt's Peas* August 24, 2019 at 3:34 pm This is what those checkups are for–so that the physicians checking you can be activated early on when something is “concerning” and take care of it early. It would suck so much if it were melanoma or a different but also urgent issue, but this early response is why you’ve had these checkups. Let yourself be nervous; it’s a nerve-wracking situation. But also see if you can go into maximum distract-yourself mode for the rest of the weekend–not relax, but distraction. Good luck & best wishes!
valentine* August 24, 2019 at 11:56 pm Is there hair in or around the mole? A surgeon told me cancer kills follicles, so, a hairy mole is benign.
WellRed* August 24, 2019 at 4:06 pm They should have given you results over the phone, with follow up Monday. How agonizing.
Not A Manager* August 25, 2019 at 1:59 am I WISH doctors (or their offices) wouldn’t call with results they won’t reveal and then make you wait to be seen. Couldn’t they have called you on Monday to schedule this appointment? In terms of your results, whatever they might be, it’s good that you’re going twice a year so that anything can be found and addressed early. Please let us know next week what’s going on with you.
Miss Pantalones en Fuego* August 24, 2019 at 3:08 pm At a local music and beer festival. I’m wearing earplugs because the music is so loud. Old fart or smart? Definitely not very rock and roll! ;-)
NeverNicky* August 24, 2019 at 3:55 pm Smart. I work for a hearing related charity and we wish everyone would be as sensible! If only people thought about hearing protection in the same way they do about seat belts and are beginning to about sunscreen … well, my social media metrics would go down but the sum of human happiness would increase!
Goose Lavel* August 24, 2019 at 6:01 pm You are very smart to protect your hearing, especially when you are older. I have catastrophic tinnitus from various acoustic tramas and protect my ears Everywhere I Go what’s a set of good foam ear plugs. I believe we’re going to have a generation of new tinnitus suffers due to too much loud noise and music. I’m especially worried about gamers and people wearing headphones all day that have no idea the damage they’re doing to their inner ears.
AlaskaBlue* August 24, 2019 at 9:18 pm Smart! I have a pair of earplugs in my tiny going out wallet for just in case, and we have a 10 pair box of earplugs in the car for spouse and friends. Music is generally too loud today, or where we are doesn’t have decent sound proofing (all concrete construction) which amplifies sound that might be fine in a wooden structure. Spouse was on C-17s in the USAF and I’ve worked underground and in helicopters, so we’ve both been exposed to high levels of noise and suspect we’ve already lost some hearing. We’re in our late 30s and want to protect whatever we have left. You can’t get it back, so why not be proactive? In fact, I spent 1+ hr vacuuming screens and stairs and fans on Friday and wore earplugs to do that job. :)
LCL* August 24, 2019 at 9:52 pm Smart. I always wear earplugs, though sometimes I take them out for a good song. Also when using tools. I don’t wear headphones ever, for anything. Between industrial exposure, music and heredity, I’m wearing one hearing aid already.
YetAnotherUsername* August 25, 2019 at 12:50 am Smart. I always wear earplugs to gigs nowadays. Though I will take them out for a good song. You can get gig earplugs now that are designed to limit the sound but allow all frequencies through, so you don’t miss anything. Loads of different types.
Minta* August 25, 2019 at 4:46 pm I swear by earplugs–even when I’m not at a concert, airshow, or whatever loud event/place. My auditory system gets overwhelmed easily, so I wear them at work in my open plan office and on the street. I should say that I’m talking about high-fidelity earplugs (HFEs). They contain a filter that blocks damaging sound and reduces the annoying din but allow me to hear what is going on around me. I like them because I remain approachable and safe. I can hear if someone calls my name at my desk or if a car is approaching on the street. At a concert HFEs would allow me to enjoy the show but not end up with overtaxed, ringing ears afterwards. YetAnotherUsername refers to gig earplugs; they are the same thing as HFEs. My fave brand are Etymotic.
Sad Volunteer* August 24, 2019 at 3:14 pm I’m having a lot of trouble not being jaded about volunteer opportunities in my community. (I hope this is allowed on this thread, these are one-off “day of service” type opportunities and not a recurring position I hold or anything). Every time I’ve tried to volunteer for something it’s been terrible due to bad planning or rude people. Examples: 1. Childcare for parents at a health workshop – my assigned kid doesn’t show up and organizers don’t have any other alternative jobs, nobody will let me or the other girl without a kid help with anything. 2. Food bank – we unload an entire semi truck, the organizers have us reload it thinking it was the wrong truck, and have to unload it again once they figured out it was the right truck all along. 3. Animal shelter – regular employed staff are incredibly rude and arrogant to volunteers. I got an offer for another volunteer day and I know I should take it because it would help a population that really needs it, and I have a skillset with the task they want done. Past experiences are making me wary though. Has anyone else experienced these kinds of things? If I were to call the organization and ask about how the service day is run would that be weird?
Eva and Me* August 24, 2019 at 3:39 pm I’m sorry your experiences have been so disorganized! I volunteer to visit a homebound elderly person once a week, but it took several years of just attending the org’s twice-a-year other events to get assigned to a homebound senior, which made it less than satisfying. I made sure to nicely inquire periodically (since I knew they focused more on providing a monthly nurse and social worker than on volunteer visitors, so they were plenty busy!). And I’ve had other experiences that were not a great fit for me for one reason or another, as well. I definitely think you can call and ask what to expect and see if they have any questions for you, especially since you have a skill set they’re looking for. If they seem open to it and/or particularly disorganized, you can maybe make suggestions to make it a better experience all around, but I would definitely feel them out first. I’m glad you’re not completely discouraged and hope this goes well for you!
Washi* August 24, 2019 at 8:44 pm Hopefully this isn’t too work-y but as a former volunteer coordinator and also former americorps member who had to attend or organize a bazillion “days of service”…this is par for the course in one-off events. It’s quite difficult to pull off a well organized one day event that is also impacted and a good use of any paid staff’s time. I would recommend: 1. Volunteer on an ongoing basis – these opportunities tend to be more structured and also more impactful 2. Try to pick somewhere whose bread and butter is one time events, rather than something that only does them occasionally and may not ever become good at it 3. Volunteer somewhere that volunteers are an integral part of the mission (loke how big brother big sister couldn’t exist without volunteers. ) Again, these orgs are more likely to have staff dedicated to and trained on how to work with volunteers. None of this is a guarantee of course! But I enjoyed your post as evidence that volunteer coordinating is a real and under-appreciated skill!
Arjay* August 26, 2019 at 5:13 pm I have experienced these things! I volunteered with Special Olympics and they had a terrible time finding useful things for volunteers to do. There was a lot of “oh, go check with the karaoke booth and see if they need help” type stuff. At an animal shelter, I had sort of the opposite problem. The guy I was working with wanted to work me to death. Some coworkers got to play with kittens, while I was cleaning and preparing the dog kennels. I’m 50, not in the best physical condition, and this was outside in the Florida summer. I had better luck at a food bank where they had us breaking down 50 pound bags of potatoes into grocery bags for family servings. It was work, but unskilled enough and not so strenuous, that I felt like I was contributing something of value. I think it’s very hard for organizations to effectively and appropriately use one-time volunteers.
Something New* August 24, 2019 at 3:52 pm Has anyone ran into emails where the sender will put pronouns in the signature of the email like: her, hers and she? This was an email response for a job I had applied for. Do I need to do the same when I reply back?
Alex* August 24, 2019 at 4:25 pm Many people have this in their signature now–the idea is that it makes space for people to communicate their gender and how you should refer to them, rather than relying on the name (which may not “match” the gender of the person), and gives space for people to communicate their preference for pronouns that are not either he/him/his or she/her/hers, for example people who prefer they/them/theirs or something else. You don’t need to do the same, especially if your first email didn’t have it.
Something New* August 24, 2019 at 6:47 pm Thank you for your reply! This is the first time I have seen this in an email and was unsure what to do. This was the first email that I had received from anyone at the company. So do I still address the reply to the woman’s name? Her name is Lily with the pronouns her, hers and she.
Fikly* August 24, 2019 at 7:21 pm You can address it to Lily! But if referring to Lily, use her, hers, or she. So use the pronouns any time third person is appropriate. This just tells you what pronouns to use. My company does this in our company directory, I think it’s super cool.
Gaia* August 25, 2019 at 1:05 am Yes, definitely use the name provided in the email. Even if Lily had listed he/him/his as their pronouns or they/theirs you should still use Lily (but definitely with the appropriate pronouns when referring to Lily by pronouns) because that is what Lily has listed as the appropriate name.
Asenath* August 24, 2019 at 6:47 pm Yes, once. I didn’t need to do it in my reply, since I used “you/your”, but when I referred to that person in a report, I used the requested pronouns. I probably wouldn’t even have remembered, but I got the email not long before I wrote the report and it was unusual (and recent) enough for me to remember the request.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 10:49 pm If the name and the pronouns match in terms of gender presentation, then this is just a placeholder, and you can infer that it’s standard practice within the company. You don’t need to do anything new or special in this conversation. But it’s good to know if you move forward in the process, you can check the signature box to make sure you’re addressing other people correctly as you meet them, in case it’s not an obvious match for some other employees there.
Gaia* August 25, 2019 at 1:00 am I’ve seen this in a few places and I think it comes from one of a few places. Either 1. they are making a specific effort to normalize the concept of never assuming someone’s gender identity and/or they have a name that usually leads people to assume a gender identity that is one they do not identify with and/or they are attempting to low-key signal that they are open to the concept that the receiver of the email may identify with a gender different that what might otherwise be assumed. In any or all cases, as long as you use the pronouns they have provided, I don’t think it is necessary that you provide yours. Although I tend to follow the lead and provide mine. It can feel a bit odd at first if you aren’t used to it, but I find that once you start it gets more natural.
Polyhymnia O'Keefe* August 25, 2019 at 1:50 am I have mine in my work email signature, and right now, I’m the only one at my organization that does, but it’s important to me for your point 1 reasons. I think it’s valuable to contribute to the normalization of the concept, especially as someone whose gender identity and presentation read the same as each other. I work with a lot of kids, some of whom are gender-nonconforming or transgender, and I want to help normalize the idea that all of our pronouns can just be put out there the same way as our names rather than being assumed, and there should be nothing unusual about that.
alex b.* August 25, 2019 at 2:33 pm It’s normal in academia and has been for several years to include pronoun preference in a signature, even if it’s predictable by name. My whole cohort in grad school did it, and many younger profs I work with do it now. Doesn’t matter if you include it in your own signature, but it’s a cultural sign- you’re looking at some demonstratively woke people, for better or worse. Just respect the person’s preferred pronouns, and you’re good.
Need a kick in the pants!* August 24, 2019 at 4:04 pm I have to go to a family member’s birthday party tonight (a milestone one) and I don’t want to go! My SIL is a lot to take, and she gets super excitable at these kinds of things (and drinks) and I have to gear up for it. And usually in the next week or so after an event, another guest gets a call or a text from her expressing her displeasure with something innocuous (at least she usually rotates victims, and it rarely happens to me, but ugh). I know, I know, it’s family, but I am an introvert and her spastic, unfocused conversation and energy just wear me out, and since she’s always just had a tiff with various other people, she seeks me out. Tell me to suck it up and it will all be over soon enough! And I will and it will. ;)
Turtlewings* August 24, 2019 at 4:10 pm It will be over soon enough! But also, you don’t actually HAVE to go, family or not. Literally there is no law. There is not even a moral obligation — your family member is not in dire need, will not suffer if you don’t turn up at the party. You do not have to do it. You certainly CAN go! If it’s worth the annoyance of the SIL to see the rest of the family and you figure it will be otherwise enjoyable, by all means, go. But you do, in fact, have the option of the last minute not-feeling-well-so-sorry. Remembering that can at least turn your attendance into a conscious choice rather than a dreadful chore, which in my experience helps you tackle it with a better energy.
Need a kick in the pants!* August 24, 2019 at 4:26 pm Thank you for that! I already plan to leave whenever I feel like I’m done. It’s not worth disappointing my husband by not going, and I try to approach these things for what I can enjoy about them, i.e., seeing other family members. Just have to have some exit strategies for when she seeks me out! (Bathroom, need a (non-alcoholic) drink, etc., and hope she doesn’t follow me) The conscious choice language is good, too. I get mad at myself because I spend more time dreading these things than I spend attending them, and that’s on me. Something to work on!
Turtlewings* August 24, 2019 at 5:02 pm Exit strategies are gold! Good luck with it, I hope you’ll have a good time!
Beatrice* August 24, 2019 at 9:50 pm I have two annoying SILs, and hubby and I have been together almost 18 years now. In the last 3-4 years, I’ve changed our boundaries around family for the better (better for me anyway!) – I make it to some of his family stuff, but I am free to opt out for myself personally anytime I prefer to. Exercising the option of skipping an event now and then helps reinforce that conscious choice thing. I also try to bring our dog to family gatherings when I can, because I can excuse myself to take him outside once or twice. Also – remember that if you go, and if you have a problem, doing what you normally do and figuring out how to get along with her is a choice, too. You don’t have to do that. You’re a nice, introverted person who doesn’t want trouble. She’s a loud person who has feuded with literally everyone. Who are people going to sympathize with? You can express displeasure right back at her. You can get loud. Maybe her brother could be disappointed in her for being a p.i.t.a., instead of in you for not going along. Or maybe he can get involved and tell her to knock it off so you don’t have to – I have absolutely told my husband that he needed to get involved and deal with an issue with one of his family members unless he’d like me to handle it my way. It’s not pleasant and it goes against all the things I was taught growing up about how good girls behave, but I’m just getting to the age now where I don’t want to waste my time being miserable in the name of keeping other people happy and comfortable, you know? Good luck at your thing!
..Kat..* August 25, 2019 at 3:58 am Captain Awkward has excellent suggestions for dealing with people like this.
Traffic_Spiral* August 25, 2019 at 7:29 am Your husband should be having your back when it comes to dealing with unpleasant members of his family. He should be helping you get out of situations by planning little signals you can give him to have him rescue you from conversations. He should be understanding if you need a break every now and them.
Parenthetically* August 24, 2019 at 5:50 pm I FEEL THIS SO HARD. The only thing that gets me through evenings like this is a good exit strategy and the promise of a favorite show when I get home.
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 24, 2019 at 9:11 pm *flutter flutter* Suck it up, it’ll be over soon enough. *flutter flutter* *writes in fairy dust* (unless you really don’t want to, in which case you’re looking awfully peaked and maybe you should stay home in case you’re contagious. ;) )
Need a kick in the pants!* August 24, 2019 at 11:12 pm Okay, so I went — for well over 2 hours. More than enough, but sometimes it can be hard to make an escape. But I was thinking of you guys and your advice and commiseration, which helped! I’m not the only one! I think the worst anyone can ever say about me at these things is that I arrive on time (well, always a little after the stated start time) and I’m the first to leave. I’m always perfectly pleasant, but I feel like I hit a wall after a certain amount of socializing. And then there’s my SIL, who, no joke makes my heart pound just being around her — I somehow absorb her frenetic energy. Now, we all just wait a week or 2 for her fallout; who will it be this time? Thank you all again!
valentine* August 25, 2019 at 12:06 am my SIL, who, no joke makes my heart pound just being around her — I somehow absorb her frenetic energy. It might help you to look into enmeshment and think about whether she’s triggering you because she reminds you of a dynamic in your family or another relationship. Why are you responding to her like she’s an emergency? What if you are all sunshine when she criticizes someone? Give her the opposite of what she wants and see if that suffices for her to seek it elsewhere. Depending on how bad your heart is pounding, if it’s more than a mild feeling, your husband shouldn’t oblige you to interact with her and you can also look at why he won’t take that hit for you. You can make a deal that you’ll go, but he and others run interference with her so you can have a decent time.
Anono-me* August 25, 2019 at 1:01 am Can you text your SIL that you will get back to her later when she reaches out to you for drama support? Later can be next week or next month or next year. Or when your SIL calls, say something like “Oh gzzz, I’m on the way to the bathroom. Here talk to your brother. Luv ya, bye.”
Need a kick in the pants!* August 25, 2019 at 9:06 am I apologize for my very poor word choice. And thank you for gently correcting me.
Sad for my kid* August 25, 2019 at 10:53 am Thank you for accepting it! I know it’s much stronger in the UK than the US :-/
AngelZash* August 24, 2019 at 4:13 pm I absolutely love that picture, especially with the cat on the top railing! Beautiful!
Elizabeth West* August 24, 2019 at 5:50 pm It took me a second to see the kitty. I thought, “Why did Alison post a picture of her staircase–oh, haha.”
LizB* August 24, 2019 at 4:37 pm Thank you very much to all the people who responded so kindly to my post late last weekend. I am extremely happy to report I have a new job starting in three weeks, and I already feel like my anxiety and depression have dialed it back a few notches just knowing my end date. I also got a new prescription to add to my existing meds that should help the worst anxiety symptoms, and I’ll have regular visits with my therapist for a while. The nicest part is my health insurance won’t be changing because the job change is internal, hallelujah! My fiance continues to take excellent care of me, and I’m glad I have this community to come vent to.
NoLongerYoung* August 24, 2019 at 11:28 pm Way to go!!! New job, and on a good path! Internet high five.
Gatomon* August 24, 2019 at 4:53 pm It seems like there is always something to do this time of year. I tackled the Mouse House in the garage today. Someone had stacked a pile of carpet remnants in the space between the furnace and the steps to the house, and the mice had made their home in the carpet and nibbled in to some of the furnace wrap to stay warm. It appears the mice had moved out some time ago, but they left their droppings behind. The nasty carpet remnants are now in the garbage bin to go out Monday, and the space is all swept clean. I took the cat through to see if he would hit on anything now that it’s cleaned up, but he has blessed the garage as mouse-free, thankfully. Next I’ll be getting quotes for a new insulated garage door and opener since there’s a sale going on. Someone backed into the existing one at some point and the insulation and weatherstripping has fallen off, allowing the bottom to start rusting. Sadly the leaves are already changing here, so it’s time to get ready for winter. I neglected to wash the car immediately after a few road trips, so I had to use some special spray to get the dried summer bug goop off my windshield. I also refilled the washer fluid receptacle on my car with the good stuff that works down to -30 degrees. An oil change is due, so I’ll do that at the dealership to get it inspected and get the car washed with clearcoat next weekend to prepare for winter driving. Then it will just be getting the snow tires put on in October. Final tasks this weekend are trying to finish unpacking! Moving is such a pain, but it is so nice to have a place of my own.
GingerNinge11* August 24, 2019 at 4:54 pm If anyone is doing the Thousand-Year Slumber field research on Pokemon Go and needs to make new friends, my code is 6148 7038 6487.
Ginger Sheep* August 25, 2019 at 2:06 am Hi GingerNinge! I’m already friends with you in Pokemon Go – I haven’t played in the last two or three months because of (mostly work) stuff, but just picked it up again this week. (I’m VernaScilla!) But I’m in dire need of new friends as well, so if anyone wants a friend in France, my number is 6844 4991 3742.
SydneyGerald* August 25, 2019 at 9:25 am You’re already friends with me yay! but if anyone else wants an extra friend from the UK, I’m 8552 6858 2106 :)
GingerSherp* August 25, 2019 at 11:52 am Hi again! Someone named Quistie (or approaching) sent me a friend request I denied by mistake! If that’s you, I’m very sorry, please ask again and I will accept!
Quistie* August 25, 2019 at 2:05 pm Hmm I keep getting an error when I try to add you now, would you mind trying to add me instead? (Also if anyone else wants to add :-) ) My friend code is 5325 4130 4092
MOAS* August 24, 2019 at 6:47 pm Took my mom to the dr on Monday. She was having bladder prolapse issues so after 3 appts in 2 months, this was for the pessary fitting. While they were fitting her, they found a mass and did a biopsy. Told us to come back in 3 weeks. It was in the morning so I went to work after dropping her home. Almost at work, I get a call from my brother that she’s going to the ER. Long story short, she was bleeding and passing stuff for 4 hours before they took her to emergency surgery. They put her under anesthesia and were able to fix things. She’s recovering ok now but it was scary and stressful. There were a lot of emotional things but I’ll save that for another post.
MaxiesMommy* August 24, 2019 at 6:53 pm I hope she’s okay. You hang in there—dealing with this is exhausting.
LCL* August 24, 2019 at 9:48 pm Glad she is better now. It’s going to be a long 3 weeks for her, poor thing.
MOAS* August 25, 2019 at 5:50 pm Thanks. I’ve been putting off my own stuff cz I have to take time for her appointments.
MOAS* August 25, 2019 at 5:34 pm You would think that all of this, I’d be scared and it’s a wakeup call but I’m still just as…whatever I was before. I had a lot of thoughts that I’ll talk about in therapy and not here, but one thing that really upset me was that someone else was there, a family member. She was the one my mom called and she stayed the entire day at the hospital with me. My mom kept calling her “my daughter my daughter” and told the nurses she was also her daughter. Now she’s a nice lady, and I appreciate her being there but my mom calling her daughter was really upsetting. I’m the one who’s been using up my PTO and sick time to take her to her appts, call the Drs, and keep taking time off work to stay in the hospital. I have a 3 week period coming up where I HAVE to be on point and 10000% focussed towards my job and I can’t afford to mess up. I mess up at work, I can get fired, I’ll lose my health insurance and access to my Drs & medicine. Its taking every ounce of willpower to not eat away my feelings or take medicine.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 7:11 pm I’m sorry your mom is taking you for granted in such a hurtful way. Sometimes being scared & in pain makes people reach out to loved ones with appreciation. Other times it just makes them meaner than ever.
jDC* August 24, 2019 at 7:09 pm Broken my arm on Friday. It was like a cartoon, i slipped in water on the floor and slammed my arm in the door repeatedly trying to get up. Sometimes it would be better just to fall but instinct is to try not to. It isn’t a bad break but tender for sure. They are going to cast it next week, too swollen on Friday. I text my husband as he was leaving work if he could swing by the emergency room to pick me up. He was freaked out. I was trying to go to the walk in (they have X-ray) before they closed so I just got an Uber real quick and didn’t even tell him. Of course their machine was down so they sent me to the ER anyway. Was just avoiding paying the ER copay since it’s higher. He works in a secure gov office so often he cannot use his phone (security meetings and such) so I did text him when it happened but wasn’t reaching him. Other than that a lazy weekend. It isn’t crazy hot finally so have the house open and just relaxing. Next weekend is my bday and a holiday weekend so woohoo for a long weekend to enjoy my bday. No idea what we will do, probably just grab dinner. I have a large check coming from an accident and have earmarked it for some things. I could spend the money now but I just keep not wanting to until I see the check come. No idea why mentally as it’s 100% coming but I can’t get my brain to do it. Much of it is going into savings but I wanted to get my husband a special Xmas gift that will be sold out come Xmas time and treat myself to a new winter coat as when we moved I shipped a couple boxes and FedEx lost the box that had ALLLLL my winter stuff in it. Ugh. I had just bought it as it was as last year was my first snow winter. So annoying. I could buy it all now but i just have this block about spending it yet. But, looking forward to having some extra money come in for sure. A guy had been texting and asking plowed into me while I was stopped at a light. First time i ever has whiplash, good grief that was no fun. We ended up suing as he was really going on about how it was my fault. The cops even said at the scene to call an attorney based on how he was behaving because he was going to try everything to not be at fault. I was dead stopped at a light. How the heck could it be my fault you butt. Plus it wasn’t his car so it was complicated and all pointed to getting an attorney. Oh and he called me a B. Really? I was sitting there crying in pain and the guy calls me that. Grrrr!! Oh and FedEx is paying the claim, just dragging their feet, but I did insure. Of course just because I can get the money back for something doesn’t mean I can buy the same thing again. I had just bought the most gorgeous cashmere blend coat I was looking forward to having this coming winter, on a deeeeep sale. Sigh.
The Cosmic Avenger* August 25, 2019 at 9:11 am Good on you for not spending money until it’s actually in hand! I’ve seen some friends and family get burned like that, even when trying to be smart about it and trying to plan for what should have been a foregone conclusion. And at least the guy who hit you made it easy on you to sic a lawyer on him! I hope it’s more than just the car and your medical bills, he deserves to pay through the nose. I’ve been hit by someone who was mortified and scared of the increase in their insurance premium, and it’s not fun. I agreed to have them pay the repair bill without involving insurance (because I was young and dumb)….and they tried to argue me down! That didn’t last long, I told them they could take the lowest estimate, get their own, or we’d ask my insurance adjuster. I hope your arm isn’t hurting too much. How are you feeling?
jDC* August 25, 2019 at 9:18 am Thanks. I’m feeling fine. It really didn’t even hurt too bad. I could just tell it was not good because it was numb, I hit a nerve, literally. Ha. But difficult to sleep because I like to sort of lie on that arm but since it’s been cooler sleeping is becoming easier anyway.
Dr. Anonymous* August 25, 2019 at 1:11 pm So sorry you’re going through all this! My experience is that Fed Ex is not good at tracking lost packages when you ship to yourself. They return it to the shipper and the shipper is you and the central customer service people never see any of this communication. Thought it’s late now, you might just possibly get some good luck if you call the regional distribution center at both the shipping and receiving locations and ask them to look for it manually.
jDC* August 25, 2019 at 2:29 pm Thanks. They claimed to have done this but I’ll try it myself on Monday. I really wanted the stuff. They also had a box arrive with every items shattered. It was bubble wrapped to the point i could’ve played basketball with it. Ugh. I love FedEx usually but they really let me down on this one.
jDC* August 25, 2019 at 3:41 pm Made chicken noodle soup in my instant pot. Mmm. https://pin.it/3z3ysndhrejv7x
Fikly* August 24, 2019 at 7:26 pm I am recently living in my first apartment (about 6 weeks so far!) and have succeeded in not killing a basil plant! I am enjoying both the basil and that it smells nice when I water it. I am thinking about getting it a friend. It does not have to be something I can eat, but I would like it to smell nice, and not be super sensitive to killing (I am death to rosemary, I am sorry, it’s not personal rosemary!) I read a story recently where a character had plastic succulents because he liked plants but couldn’t even keep succulents alive, and while I am not that bad, I am not super great at telling when a plant needs more water versus when I am drowning it. I was kind of thinking about lavender? But am open to suggestions. My window is an east exposure, and thus whatever it is will get LOTS of sun. I do water the basil daily to keep up with this and it seems happy? Or at least, it is growing and not turning bad colors, which I am taking as happiness.
Forensic13* August 24, 2019 at 8:02 pm Mint is usually fairly unkillable, and also smells nice. You can get lots of fun varieties nowadays, too. (I may have acquired a chocolate mint this year for the smell.)
Llellayena* August 25, 2019 at 7:31 am Mint needs to be in its own pot (just in case you wanted to plant it in the same pot as the basil) otherwise it will take over. I love thyme, nicely fragrant and easy to put in cooking (mmm, scrambled eggs with thyme…).
That Girl From Quinn's House* August 25, 2019 at 5:22 pm Catnip is in the mint family- very durable and spreads easily-and if you have a kitty, it’s a welcome treat.
MaxiesMommy* August 24, 2019 at 8:35 pm For later when you have a house, plant mint or rosemary under your mailbox. Very hardy and you can smell it when the mail has come!
cat socks* August 24, 2019 at 9:48 pm I was also going to suggest mint. My husband made the mistake of planting it in the mulch bed and it spreads like a weed. Smells great, though. Keeping it in a planter will help keep it contained.
Quandong* August 24, 2019 at 10:02 pm I agree with the mint family for container plants – if you tend to overwater, they cope well with wet feet. You might like to try lemon balm or lime balm too – they can be used to make tea like mint.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 11:02 pm And do *not* plant the lemon balm outside unless it’s in a container, and be sure to cut it back before it sets seed. That stuff doesn’t spread as fast underground as mint, but it’s twice as hard to pull out. And the seeds! I made a newbie mistake of composting my lemon balm cuttings in the fall, with the seeds on. I am still pulling up new lemon balm seedlings all over my yard, years later.
Lilysparrow* August 24, 2019 at 10:57 pm Lavender can be pretty picky about its location. It likes a lot, a lot, of intense sun, and excellent drainage. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it grown indoors. Even a very sunny window does not get the same intensity of light as full sun all day outdoors. Rosemary will grow huge if it’s happy, but I rarely see it indoors either, for similar reasons. Mint is a great suggestion, or possibly thyme, like a lemon thyme?
Fikly* August 25, 2019 at 1:51 am Oooh, thanks for the lavender info! I did not know that at all, my hypothetical plant thanks you for keeping it from death by me. You all seem to be voting mint! I do like mint! I am going to have fun sniffing things.
Not A Manager* August 25, 2019 at 2:10 am Thyme is pretty easy. Chives will last for a while but not forever. I’m surprised that you have trouble with rosemary – are you paying too much attention to it? If you try rosemary again, try to ignore it as much as possible and under-water it. In the right climate it’s basically a weed, so try treating it like one.
Jemima Bond* August 25, 2019 at 3:35 am Like lavender mentioned above, I think of rosemary as an outdoor plant and don’t recall seeing it indoors; maybe your sunny windowsill is too warm for it and the rainage in a pot isn’t enough? I have had an amaryllis grown from a bulb for years now, it spent most of its life on the very sunny windowsill of my old flat and it is still not dead! If you like flowers as well as herbs it may be worth considering? PS though commonly called an amaryllis, the type of person who calls a geranium a pelargonium is probably going to point out that my plant is really a hippeastrum. I understand none of this but I like the pretty flower my plant grows once in a while!
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 1:13 pm That’s how it is here for rosemary. Buy a cheap plant at Lowe’s, stick it in the ground where it mostly gets sun, water it once or twice, never pay any more attention to it. (This is coastal SC.)
Reba* August 25, 2019 at 9:59 am Re: watering, it might be better to water very well, but less often. What I do is take my small plants to the sink. Water until water drains out the bottom (of your pot that has drain holes, right?) … And then water quite a bit more! Let it drip in the sink for a few minutes, then back to the sill on a saucer. I do basil every 2-3 days like this. Let the soil get dry on the surface before watering again. Basil will be stressed by overwatering, which is why spacing the waterings helps. While you are enjoying your lovely fragrant plant, take some time to observe it and learn from it. How do the leaves look and feel? Firm and perky, or droopy? Growing straight? Touch the soul with your fingers. Does it feel damp or wet, is it soft or compacted? This is one of the pleasures of gardening IMO. If you keep this plant for a while, you will likely want to pot it up and lightly fertilize–use something safe for food. If it flowers, you can just break the flowers off. Finally, keep in mind that while you get brightness from the East window, it’s not really that much *sun* for a plant like basil, which could happily take 6 hours of full intense sunlight. (that’s another reason yours might need a little less water than one grown in hotter sun.) Usually for indoor plants an East exposure falls into the “bright, indirect” light category or “partial sun.” So look for those for your future plant acquisitions. YMMV for sure on the intensity of the light you get in your particular situation though, so again learn from your plants! As you can tell I am enthusiastic about plants ;). Hope you continue to enjoy yours!
Fikly* August 25, 2019 at 2:26 pm Thank you for all this info! So my basil will wilt by the end of every day, and then I water it every evening and it perks up by morning. I’m not sure if it’s a heat or a sun issue? And yes, it has holes, and a dish underneath to catch any draining water. I am fairly comfortable with outdoor container gardening, but this is my first venture into indoor containers. Thanks for all the advice!
NewReadingGlasses* August 25, 2019 at 1:36 pm Try a scented geranium! There’s all kinds, with different smells. They do pretty well indoors.
Fikly* August 25, 2019 at 2:27 pm I do like how geraniums smell! I did not know they came in extra scented! This is going to be fun!
PhyllisB* August 24, 2019 at 8:38 pm Just saw this on Facebook and had to share: “These sobriety tests are getting ridiculous. Last night I had to fold a fitted sheet.” My response? They’d just have to put me in the patrol car.
Anon Librarian* August 24, 2019 at 10:20 pm They accused me of being intoxicated because I have a slight lazy eye. Um, that’s a really common thing that people can have for any or no reason. They tried to use it as a justification to search my car. Oh, and why the sobriety test? Because I was taking a nap in my parked car in a parking lot. A worker called the cops, thinking I was “passed out drunk”. Sigh. I was just being a safe driver and taking a break during a long drive. I think those cops were bored. I want to say it’s getting worse, but there have always been horror stories. I guess it’s just one of those things.
MaxiesMommy* August 25, 2019 at 12:59 am I have myasthenia gravis, so part of my face is slightly droopy. I was told to expect some odd assumptions from people, like I’ve had a stroke or I’m drunk. I feel like I should take a picture in front of my church’s altar, showing that this droop is my face now, whether it’s 9 AM or 9 PM. Insurance won’t pay for the eye surgery until I look like Charles Laughton as the hunchback. Which means I wont be able to read. WTF.
Anon Librarian* August 25, 2019 at 11:41 am I think I have a bit of that too, or something with the same effect. It sorks when cops harass you for having a medical condition. They’re stooping to the level of the people they’re supposed to be arresting!
YetAnotherUsername* August 25, 2019 at 1:00 am That’s a joke though isn’t it? There’s no way someone was asked to fold a fitted sheet by a cop? I can’t fold them when I’m stone cold sober.
Free Meerkats* August 24, 2019 at 9:47 pm I’m in the middle of a 12 day stretch of work including 3 weekend days, and I’m burnt. But Thursday will only be 3 hours, then I drive to Portland to work the Indycar race weekend. Of course, that means I have to get up earlier than normal Friday through Sunday. I’ll finally get to sleep in on Labor Day before I drive home. This will be the first pro race I’ve worked and I’m looking forward to it. The schedule is busier than the normal club races I work and there’s no lunch break; I hope we have enough people that we can trade off eating and flagging. I don’t expect to be able to check the open threads next weekend, behave yourselves!
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 9:53 pm Sitting by a warm fire on a cool night, getting introspective. In my younger days, I assumed older folk were simply foggy in the brain from age. Now that I’m here, I see it’s a matter of processing more thoughts through experience, and the wisdom of silence. I know for many people in our culture, growing older is a curse to be avoided. But the reality, as far as I see, is that it’s a blessing. The freedom from nonsense and confident security of thought is profound. My younger self would not be able to process this idea. Hence why I’m glad and fortunate to be getting older.
MOAS* August 24, 2019 at 10:08 pm I hear ya. I always used to read about women who said they felt secure and happier in their 30s and now that I’m in the mid range, I so feel it. I feel more mature, wiser, better than I was in my 20s…still just wish I looked the same as my 20s lol
No Tribble At All* August 25, 2019 at 10:33 am As my mom (54 yrs old, and doing a 60 mile bike ride today!) always says, better old than the alternative :)
Amethyst* August 24, 2019 at 10:08 pm I had my first massage yesterday &, y’all… My back has never felt so good! The massage therapist I saw also specializes in a few different modalities (holistic in nature) & recommended I do some craniosacral therapy to treat a few issues related to why I got the massage in the first place. I’m seriously considering it as traditional Western medicine is 50% helpful with this condition I have, & I’ve tried a range of things: multiple rounds of PT/OT, cortisone injections, multiple xrays, assorted (ineffective) medications, acupuncture, Reiki, talk therapy to treat anxiety/depression caused by the frustration of my doctors’ inability to figure out what’s wrong with me… Anywaysies, have any of you had craniosacral therapy before? How was it for you? Was there anything you were surprised at, like your own responses to gentle touch? Did it help? (I don’t want a bunch of “It’s bunk” comments, thank you.)
Iris* August 25, 2019 at 1:00 pm I tried it, on the advice of a friend, but found it had no noticeable effect at all. It was a complete waste of time for me. I get better results from a standard massage, and it’s much cheaper.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 2:04 pm I have a friend who does craniosacral therapy & is a huge believer in it. I let her do an adjustment on me once, and it was very nice. Very relaxing, and it helped with a knot I had in my back. I can’t say it helped more than any other type of massage would, or sitting in a whirlpool. etc. And it didn’t have any sort of “magical” effects, or strange emotional reactions, or anything.. It was just a light pressure on different points on my back, that felt nice and seemed to help release that tight spot.
Anon Librarian* August 24, 2019 at 10:13 pm I just want to say something weird. If hauntings, ghosts and such exist, then I think my last house was haunted. And I feel a lot better since I moved out. There was just a horrible, weird energy there. I saw some freaky things. But it was mostly a feeling. And it was a weird property. In the backyard (not that big), there were multiple overlapping foundations as if there had been an original house that was torn down and replaced by two other structures and then one of those was torn down? It was in a former industrial area. The houses were built for employees of one factory, which no longer exists. It was sort of a company town within a city. That’s what I could find at least. But I felt like that house had some weird history to it, like something bad had happened there. And, while it was nice in a lot of ways, I’m glad I don’t live there anymore.
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 10:44 pm I am a rational person who does not believe in ghosts. No way. Then in our new house, I would hear strange noises in the night. Some could simply be the pipes, but there was one noise I couldn’t explain. Sometimes I would clearly hear a kitchen cabinet go “thud-thud-thud” as if it was opened then allowed to be shut clumsily. I lay in bed wide awake, figuring it was either a ghost, or a clumsy burglar who only rifled through our cabinets and took nothing. It turns out to have been our clumsy cat. I caught him early one morning jumping onto the counter, his bulk banging into a lower cabinet and making it thud-thud-thud. I still don’t believe in ghosts, but that doesn’t stop me from being scared of their presence.
Anon Librarian* August 25, 2019 at 11:50 am Yeah, animals explain a lot of “haunting” signs – weird noises in the night. Mice and rats can be loud at night and it’s not always obvious that they’re living in or entering your house. Other animals enter attics sometimes. I don’t know. I’m really agnostic about ghosts. I think they could exist, but it’s hard to say. In this house, I saw a dark shadowy figure appear before me, along with a feeling like I was in another creature’s space and needed to leave. I had been working out and was tired and hungry, so I was probably just blacking out a little. But there was something weird about the place. A spooky feeling and a sense of unrest. That feeling that something isn’t right.
Gaia* August 25, 2019 at 1:13 am So I’ve never really told anyone this and I’m not sure I really believe it but…if ghosts are real I think I’m haunted. As in me, personally. And I think it is a child. It is hard to explain but for years (like since I was a kid myself) I’ve always felt like there was just ….someone….else with me. No matter where I live. No matter where I go. I’ll just get this feeling like I’m being watched and my mind says “by the kid in the corner.” And then weird things happen in my homes sometimes. Dishes that I haven’t touched in months end up on the counter. Closet doors get opened randomly. Catching sight of something I can’t quite place. Again, I logically don’t really believe in “ghosts” but I do believe we are all made of energy and energy never really disappears. So maybe this kids’ energy just latched onto mine? Who knows! I guess it could be worse.
Elizabeth West* August 25, 2019 at 8:35 pm Ghost stories!! I grew up on haunted property, so I do believe in ghosts. I can feel things, but not see them. I used to be scared of ghosts because there was a room in the barn I could not go into sometimes, and we heard noises (inside the house too), and the cats would freak out. I’m not scared of them any more. They can’t hurt you. I think this house might be haunted, but if I hear something weird, I just talk back to it. Damn it, ghost, quit knocking shit over and find me a coffee can full of money. Make yourself useful or I’ll sage your ass again!
Hazelnut Bunny* August 24, 2019 at 10:35 pm Short version: I caught someone breaking into my house two weeks ago and now I’m having trouble sleeping. Long version: In January I had someone trying to break into my windows. They did not succeed and police came, couldn’t find anything. Whoever it was, cut a hand size slit into my kitchen screen window(which is right outside my bedroom door). I was terrified as I was by myself as my young children were at their dad’s. Two weeks ago, a series of unfortunate events occurred. My dog got into some trash and had to spend the night in the kennel for the first time in years. I woke up around 2am hearing noises but assumed it was my 2 year old as my 3 year old had already climbed into my bed. When 2yo did not appear, I assumed it was doggo as I could see her moving in the kennel. Then I heard something hit the railing on my back porch and a rubbing sound on the base of the door frame. I assumed it was a raccoon as we had issues with them in the spring. So I get out of my bed in only my undergarments and am expecting to scare a coon off the porch. I walk out of my bedroom and turn into the laundry room where the backdoor is when I see the door open. I’m dumbfounded so I stand there and watch some guy coming in. He looked at me and I screamed “WHO THE F*** ARE YOU!?” I startled him, he turned and shut the door. I go to open the door and to my amazement, it’s still locked(obviously slid a card and jimmied it). I unlock the door, run out, scream at him again as he runs around the house. I go back in to call the police and check on my kiddos(still sound asleep). I put clothes and then decide to grab my gun(*face palm* a little late). Police arrived and followed his trail for several blocks before they lost it. They sent forensics out to fingerprint the door and take pictures of his trail. It started raining in the middle so they didn’t get anything viable. I realize the next day when I talk to family that I know who it was. A man who briefly lived across the street. I haven’t seen him in 6 months when the police had come to arrest him for who knows what. So I move on but have been making sure I’m vigilant about the deadbolts and so on. A week ago, boyfriend came over to mow my lawn when he found my bedroom window screen taken off and placed on a different side of the house. The screen is a type that can only be opened from the inside unless it’s pried off from the outside. There was a hole cut into the screen where the latch is located. Police came out again and of course they can’t get fingerprints off it. Now my issue is that I’m having problems sleeping when my kids are home. When they go to their dad’s, I can sleep find. I think I’m just afraid that this can happen again and I’m worried about protecting my children. Any ideas to cope and ease my mind?
Not So NewReader* August 24, 2019 at 10:53 pm Can you ask the police to increase their patrols on your street? Can you let your children sleep with you when they are at your house? Do you have a friend who would sleep over? I don’t know how well those hotel alarms work. I am thinking of those little alarms you hang off of door knobs. Can you get something like that and put them on your windows? I am not familiar with the product so this might not be a great idea. Others will tell us.
Angwyshaunce* August 24, 2019 at 10:56 pm Jeez. I don’t like to tell people to turn their homes into security fortresses, but maybe you should consider it. It sucks, but maybe get some trail cameras to capture pictures or video from movement, and motion-sensing lights. At best, you’ll spend a bit of money for nothing, except a sense of security. At worst, you’ll at least have evidence of this creep. Hope it turns out to be nothing.
Rebecca* August 25, 2019 at 7:46 am I second the trail cam idea. There are some really good ones and people here use them, well, to photograph wildlife at night. They take awesome pictures of deer, bear, raccoons, all sorts of things – with great clarity. And you can hide them, and I had one a while ago that had an infrared flash or something that wasn’t obvious. This is really terrifying!
Goose Lavel* August 24, 2019 at 11:54 pm Looks like you need a deadbolt on the door. You should also add window locks. You need to make your house more difficult to get into than others in the neighborhood.
YetAnotherUsername* August 25, 2019 at 1:11 am Have you told the cops your suspicions about who it is? I think you should tell them. I agree that you should make your house more difficult to break into. If someone can jimmy the lock with just a credit card then it’s not a very secure lock. Our insurance company insists on 5 point locks on both front and back doors. We also have a box from a monitored alarm company (even though we don’t pay for the monitoring). We have motion operated and light sensitive lights front and back which come on automatically when it’s dark and anyone is in either the front or back garden (which are also really handy for keeping the neighborhood cats away), and lastly we have a fake CCTV camera beside our front door. None of this stuff bar the door install is particularly expensive nowadays. If money is a concern your ex might be willing to chip in since it will protect the kids also.
Buu* August 25, 2019 at 5:56 am Yes please update the cops, and tell them about the screen being moved. Log anything else you notice by taking pictures. Perhaps consider motion detected lights on the outside of your house. Hopefully it’d freak the burglar out enough he’ll stay away. If you have any friendly neighbors tell them what’s going on and ask them to look out for any weird activity around your house. It’s 100% reasonable you’re having trouble sleeping, this sounds like a really unpleasant situation.
Anono-me* August 25, 2019 at 1:18 am 1. I’m going to suggest two different security inspections. One from your home insurance company and the other from someone on your local police department’s swat team. Then make security upgrades. 2. I also think you should consider that the former neighbor is fixated on you. Most break ins are desperate people seeking something to turn into quick money for drugs. Those people usually run at the first sign that someone is home. If you think that this is a possiblity, please contact your local abused adult resource center. (Often abusers are romantic partners, but they can also be random strangers and anyone in between.) 3. You say you have a gun, but didn’t get it until after you had confronted the intruder. If you are going to have a gun for protection, please consider taking more safety and intruder response classes from your local gun club.
Elspeth Mcgillicuddy* August 25, 2019 at 2:12 am Man, I am not a nervous person, but I would be freaking out too. Three separate break-in attempts in the past year? That’s logically terrifying. And of course you are worried about your kids. At least dude fled when you showed up. Even if you assume he got the wrong house, the others weren’t mistakes. Can you borrow a really big dog with a really mean bark for a while? Is your dog big enough to be helpful? I think I would be running out to adopt a rottweiler. And definitely drill with the gun. You’ll want it with you next time, God forbid there is a next time. Are there home defense gun classes near you? I’d also have the doors barred and bells on the windows. And the children where you can protect them. Sounds like they’re little enough to enjoy sleeping with Mommy until you get better arrangements. An actual security company would have better advice if you can afford them. Fear in unhelpful when it just makes you freak out but not actually do anything. When it prompts you to take reasonable steps to prevent danger, fear is doing its job.
Anona* August 25, 2019 at 6:14 am If you own the place, can you install a security system? If you rent, can you move? That’s a lot of break in attempts.
Hazelnut Bunny* August 25, 2019 at 9:12 am The police stated they would be making extra patrols in my neighborhood. The trail cam is a great idea. I had only thought of security cameras. My doors have deadbolts but that door wasn’t locked. Windows have locks. The police also suggest motion lights. Although I’m not eager to spend a whole ton of money as I am saving for my maternity leave. Asking their father is out of the question. He would use it to take me back to court for custody. (We had a nasty custody battle that was finalized earlier this year.) My dog is little but can be very intimidating. Another dog is just not a road i want to go down. My kids sleeping with me isn’t something I want to start again. It was a tough thing to break and I just don’t want to confuse them. Boyfriend stays a couple nights a week so that is reassuring, otherwise it’s just us. I also informed the police of who I believe it is. This guy I do believe is weirdly fixated. He creeps me out as well as my father and children. I currently rent and this a great quiet neighborhood except for this. There police have only been to the neighborhood once other than my calling in the two years I’ve been here. This is why I chose to move here so I don’t really want to move.
Nature happens* August 25, 2019 at 10:38 am I assume you will be checking that your doors are locked and deadbolted at night. This is the number one way people you don’t want in your house get in. I also suggest putting locks on your gates if you have a fenced yard.
The Cosmic Avenger* August 25, 2019 at 11:05 am The first thing, of course, is to lock up. But in addition, you can add deterrents. These might all be moot if it’s just one kook, so I hope you can get the police to take it seriously and that they catch him. – Screw a metal plate onto the door that blocks access to where you’d jimmy the door latch (like you see on fire doors or commercial buildings). You can probably find these for cheap in any hardware store in the lock/knob section. Even if you have the deadbolt locked, it would prevent attempts. – Buy a dowel that just fits the gap above/next to the inside windows, and wedge them in there. No point in trying to jimmy a window lock/latch if the window frame is wedged shut. You can buy adjustable bars for this purpose, and we did that for a glass patio door, but honestly the dowel just as easy and effective. – Dummy cameras. They’re much cheaper than real day/night security cameras, and you can still have one or two real ones at the most vulnerable points, but you don’t want to put a camera on the door and then leave the window vulnerable. – This is more expensive, but consider motion-activated lights. I only mention it because this also might be more effective than my other suggestions, since it can deter people with malicious intent from even approaching your house.
jDC* August 25, 2019 at 9:15 am Honesty I’d move. I know that may not be an option but it would be something I’d be stuck on. If also look into a restraining order since you know it was this guy. Not that that helps but it’ll have his arrested if he’s even near your house so could do some good.
KR* August 25, 2019 at 12:09 pm Honestly sounds like it’s time for a security system. If you can’t swing the security system can you get the ADT signs and door stickers to possibly deter this guy and think you have a system set up? Or you could look into a few cameras to catch this guy that you could just install on your own possibly. Can you install a chain lock on your doors or a dead bolt? Something else that may help is a motion activated flood light outside. Finally, needs to be said but keep your gun and car keys close to your bed. If you have a remote and alarm make sure the battery is good in it and see if you can set off your car alarm from your bedroom. I would get Christmas tree timers for your lights (and switch them up every week or so) as it sounds like this guy is targeting you and may be casing your house. You want him to think someone is home all the time. So sorry but I’m glad the police are paying attention.
Nacho* August 25, 2019 at 4:08 pm Maybe try adding a few more security measures, like bars and what not to your windows, just for the peace of mind. Nothing too much, but a few bars that would ensure nobody can get in, just like how you use deadbolts for your front door.
nonegiven* August 25, 2019 at 10:03 pm I’d look into having motion detector lights put in. He comes around to the side to cut a screen and the lights come on.
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 1:01 am I’m really tired of people I encounter during my commute. I can deal with the people standing in doorways, suddenly turning into my path without looking (although it hurts when someone shoulder checks me because they just had to go where I am walking according to the designated path and could not take one more step or second to go around me), or someone constantly elbowing me or hitting me with their bag because I assume they are just too stupid to notice and you can’t blame people for being stupid, but I cannot deal with the willful aggression of some people anymore. I work on my feet a lot, and my commute is long, so I prefer to sit. Duh. When I find an empty seat, though, what often happens is that someone on either side, or both sides, really objects to having to sit next to someone. All the seats are clearly marked so you know where one seat ends, and it’s not like I’m squeezing myself onto someone’s lap. The other day I saw an empty seat between two men in suits, wondered why no one sat down but shrugged and sat. Immediately they both started to push their shoulders/arm into me, to the point where I was getting squeezed so hard I was in pain and found it hard to breathe. I am a pretty small woman (though not as tiny as some of the Japanese ladies here) and this kind of stuff is scary. I have tried asking for more space, only to be sneered at or told to go somewhere else. (Where exactly on a crowded train? And why should I when I have just as much right to a seat as the other guy?) One guy elbowed me in the site so hard just for me daring to try to sit back up again after he pushed me to a side position that I thought I had broken an arm. I went online to read about other women’s experiences, and what I found on a Japanese twitter account was horrendous. A woman got punched in the face for trying to get her space back. Another woman was dragged out of her seat by the arm because a man thought she looked young enough to stand, when she was actually ill and ended up fainting. Another woman said this happened to her when she was a teenager. Another woman saw a guy yell at a pregnant lady to give him her seat and berating her for being an awful human, but left all the guys in suits blocking the priority seats alone. The train companies have put up posters saying “hitting people is wrong” – can you imagine needing a poster like that?? I am anxious just thinking about going on the train. My husband suggested I quit working (men at work are not on their best behavior either) but I don’t see why women should give up gainful employment and careers because men can’t f***ing behave. His newest suggestion is trying to get some politicians to do something about this (raise awareness? make an app you can use if you feel unsafe?) but I doubt it will change anything. We are looking to move away from Japan next year, but until then, I am at the point where I want to wear an old-fashioned punk style studded jacket so that whoever elbows or pushes me too hard bruises themselves on the spikes, but a) I’ll feel like a total ass if I do and b) what if that makes someone go off on me?
YetAnotherUsername* August 25, 2019 at 1:18 am OMG. That sounds horrific. I’m so sorry that’s happening. There are some countries with “pink carriages” where men are not allowed at rush hour because the abuse is so bad. If you do decide to do some sort of campaign that would be the way to do it. I like the idea of the studded jacket but o don’t know how well it would work. Your DH is just trying to help. If you don’t want solutions from him and instead just want sympathy and moral outrage then tell him that. Say something like “I appreciate you trying to solve this but I don’t think it can be solved. Its not bad enough to give up my job but it is bad enough to ruin my day. Can you just let me rant and commiserate with me about it?” Maybe ask your female Japanese colleagues how they deal? Hugs.
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 3:37 am Thank you! There are women-only carriages, but only on some lines and during specific times, and if a man enters anyway the fine is like ten cents, if he gets caught at all. My husband is trying to help, but “quit your job” is not a suggestion I find productive, and I’ve already told him that I expect more outrage from him about this and what is happening at work. I don’t want to get into it too much, but for a while he was like, “where is proof that women get harassed more than men?” and we needed to have a LOT of discussions and a lot of tears from me before he semeed to understand what I needed from him. All my female friends and co-workers here are just like, “yeah, men have no respect for us, but I guess all you can do is go somewhere else if you feel you’re in danger”, and it seems like I’m someone who has a hard time accepting that I need to inconvenience myself by standing instead of sitting, or missing a train, because some entitled dude thinks he owns the entire carriage. So you don’t think the studded jacket/arm band is too aggressive?
YetAnotherUsername* August 25, 2019 at 4:50 am Definitely not too aggressive, but like you said it might backfire and end up with someone going off on you about it. Also I can’t imagine it would be so sharp it would be much of a deterrent.
WellRed* August 25, 2019 at 10:31 am Why not? It sounds like they are going off on you already, anyway. Japan sounds horrible but I assume it has it’s good points.
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 4:51 pm It does! It’s clean, relatively safe (if you’re male…) and I have made some really good friends here, plus good food and beautiful landscape. But even my Japanese friends (female) say they don’t want to raise children here. Then again, it’s not like most other countries are paradise these days. Germany is slowly drifting to the right again, people blame refugees for everything, violence is on the rise…
Japan anon* August 26, 2019 at 2:04 am There’s definitely a lot of subtle sexism here, and people don’t stand up for others when it gets aggressive. Your husband’s reaction is precisely why it’s such a big issue still. That said… you seem really unhappy. Often I see your posts about unpleasant but common annoyances or large-scale social issues and you connect it to Japan as a country. It sounds very much like “stage two” culture shock, where one has a strong negative filter, and every experience is further proof of How Much This Country Sucks. I’ve been there many times and it’s miserable. I wonder if you would be happier outside of Tokyo where people have more space literally and emotionally, it’s a bit more chill, or outside of Japan as is your plan. Do you often talk to other expats? Because these are very common topics and I think you’d get more helpful feedback than the AAM audience. Best of luck to you.
Julia* August 26, 2019 at 6:31 am Yes to b oth of your points. I feel like at least in Europe, while people might be just as awful, if it gets really bad, someone might say something. I do want to move out of here. Unfortunately, all tbe work is in Tokyo, but we are trying to find employment in Europe after both our current work projects end early next year. I talk to other expats when I can, and my Japanese friends of course (who as women have similar experiences, some also wanting to move away), but last week was particularly bad and I feel like only AAM readers would understand my wish for a self-defense jacket.
chi chan* August 25, 2019 at 4:44 am I am appalled. Why are they so aggressive toward women? What gives?
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 5:00 am My armchair diagnosis plus a couple of cultural analysis lessons and talking to people here lead me to think that Japan is a very patriarchal society where the older generation still thinks that women are inferior and should stay at home. Couple this with high stress work environments and a lack of mental health resources (plus a stigma to using them), you get men stabbing each other with umbrellas over a cab and other men punching pregnant women in the stomach for daring to be on the train.
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 5:22 am They are aggressive against men as well, but probably more so against women because we tend to be smaller and weaker, so it’s easier to feel like the big guy when you “win” over a small woman who just wants to ride the train in peace.
chi chan* August 25, 2019 at 5:32 am Really sorry you have to go through this. And I guess the cities are so congested that there is no way to beat the rush hour. But the studded jacket is a good idea. I would look for something that would damage the fabric of a suit if they press into you. It might make them think twice so as not to ruin their clothes.
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 6:30 am Thank you for your sympathy and for not thinking I am a monster for the studded jacket idea. I actually go to work fairly early, so I do beat the worst traffic, but with millions of people it’s still not enough, and I have to go through most of the city to get to work, so the trains fill up. There is another line I can use that starts at that station, so I always get to sit, and it tends to get slightly less awful people (I guess because it doesn’t go to the government offices like the other so it’s not full of men who think they’re uber important), but it’s not as close to my house and since it was so hot lately, I was afraid of risking heat stroke if I walk there. I’ll change back to it next month.
London Calling* August 25, 2019 at 8:12 am Crikey. I thought the London Underground was a zoo but punching pregnant women in the stomach??
London Calling* August 25, 2019 at 5:45 pm Don’t be put off. We haven’t (as far as I know) descended to those depths yet.
Stitch* August 25, 2019 at 10:40 am I have a friend who lived in Japan for a while and she said she was groped a few times. Unfortunately Japanese society also appears to have a sexist undercurrent as well.
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 4:53 pm Very much so. I haveb’t been groped (yet), but I know groping and upskirting are huge issues, as are other crimes against women.
MissDisplaced* August 25, 2019 at 12:05 pm Wow! How bizarre. I have heard Japan still has a “men come first” culture, but always thought it was, you know, fading with modern times or maybe exaggerated a bit. I work for a Japanese company and the men who come here don’t seem that way, but I guess it’s a fish out of water scenario. I’ve also read that in Japan the office women are mandated they must wear high heels to work too and that women were pushing back about that rule? So it must still thrive, but kind of subversively? I can’t imagine getting elbowed like that for sitting between two men or just taking a seat on a train. I think I would’ve given it right back or started kicking them or something as I’m a bit of a scrapper who ‘don’t take no shit like that’ in public. But Japan is also supposed to have low crime, so don’t the police or security DO anything when men hit and shove women? Jeez! I’m sorry you have to deal. I am thinking I would make my iPhone into a taser… and give over aggressive men who elbow me a shock. It’s called a Yellow Jacket iPhone case.
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 4:56 pm Not every job demands heels, but I know that at least to interviews, it is very much mandatory. I don’t usually take shit either, but apparently those office guys use up all their muscle power on the train and hit or shove back much harder. See above for the woman who got punched in the face for trying to push back against the encroacher – the comments online mostly say she shouldn’t have done that! And the police here don’t really care about crimes against women. Will consider the tazer, but husband says self-defense is considered assault here, so…
WS* August 25, 2019 at 6:50 am Yeah, some of the middle-aged men in particular are awful. I’m a big (tall and fat) woman and never had any problems but some of my smaller friends (and especially non-white friends) definitely had similar experiences to you.
Julia* August 25, 2019 at 7:20 am Thank you for validating my feelings. These ojisan need to learn how to coexist peacefully instead of taking their frustrations about work out on other.
Reba* August 25, 2019 at 10:09 am I love the image of you donning armor to take the train!!! Also, your spouse’s suggestion is shitty, though no doubt coming from a place of care.
MaxiesMommy* August 25, 2019 at 1:01 am I have myasthenia gravis, so part of my face is slightly droopy. I was told to expect some odd assumptions from people, like I’ve had a stroke or I’m drunk. I feel like I should take a picture in front of my church’s altar, showing that this droop is my face now, whether it’s 9 AM or 9 PM. Insurance won’t pay for the eye surgery until I look like Charles Laughton as the hunchback. Which means I wont be able to read. WTF.
TL -* August 25, 2019 at 3:00 am My mom and I were looking at horses today because my parents want a new mare. The second horse bucked me off. Twice. Then we went to eat in a restaurant on the river and a rat ran in through their open garage-style big events door and over my foot. They called the exterminator as soon as I told them and comped our dessert, so I’m not upset so much as confused as to why the animal world has it out for me today.
Nature happens* August 25, 2019 at 8:32 am Horses don’t want you on their back and rats gunna be rats. Wait until a swarm of bees attacks, then you might have a case.
Elizabeth West* August 25, 2019 at 9:06 pm Boo, second horse. Crabby old thing. When we took an archaeology class trip in college, we went to a pub to eat down by the Illinois River, and there was a stuffed possum over the bar. If I remember right, the story is that the possum was hiding in the ceiling after a flood and fell into a customer’s plate! They killed it (poor thing) and taxidermied it.
If You Were Me, What Would You Do?* August 25, 2019 at 8:00 am My cousin is getting married this fall, and I’m not sure about attending her wedding. What would you do? Background: She and I are about 4 years apart in age, with me being the older one. We were never really close; when we were young we only saw each other at our grandparents. As we grew up, we just never really communicated with each other. Her father and my mother are siblings; they keep in touch consistently. That’s about it. Now her wedding story: Last year, she sent out her Save the Dates. She sent one to my parents, and she sent me a separate one that was addressed to me and a guest. At the time, I was newly engaged, but unfortunately that ended this past spring. Fast forward to this past week, she mailed out her wedding invitations. This time around, she mails just one invitation to my parents and me (all on the same invitation!…and yes I live at home with my parents) and she eliminated my +1. It is my understanding that all adults should get their own invitations; if an adult child lives with their parents, they should still receive their own. But even more so, I’m upset that she eliminated my +1. She never spoke to me to explain that maybe +1 guests were only for those in serious relationships (engaged, married) or that she needed to chop down the guest list (it is nearing 200 from what I have heard). She most certainly knows what I went through this past spring; I’m just a bit sore about that and then that suddenly I’m not allowed to bring a date (and I had been thinking about who to bring all summer). I know this probably sounds very selfish of me; it is her wedding. That is why I’m not bringing it up to her because I understand she has now put me in a difficult spot, that I would be the rude one to ask where is my +1. What would you do? Say something to her? Not say anything and go? Not say anything and respectfully decline? If you’re wondering about my parents: One of them is very ill (cancer) and it is likely they aren’t going to make the drive (nearly 2 hours one way).
Anona* August 25, 2019 at 8:08 am If you want to go without a plus one, go. If you really want the plus one, stay home. You likely received the plus one because you had a fiance- she probably didn’t know their name, and so left it blank. With our wedding, we only gave plus ones to people in relationships, and to people who didn’t know anyone else. For my wedding, you wouldn’t have received a plus one because your parents were also invited/you know other family members. This was 100% due to financial and space reasons. Each extra person was an extra $50, and we were also already pushing capacity. I’d try to reframe it like you originally had an invitation for you & your fiance, but since your fiance isn’t here, it’s just for you. So, if you’re cool going alone, go. If not, don’t.
Anona* August 25, 2019 at 8:14 am And I totally agree that it would have been better to send you a separate invitation, even with you living at the same address. It would have been nice to give you a plus one, but it’s unlikely that it’s personal that they didn’t, more just practical.
valentine* August 25, 2019 at 10:04 am It is possible she was trying to give you one thing less to worry about or to not remind you about your breakup. Also nothing wrong with saving a stamp, especially if your parents are trustworthy around mail. The bottom line: Do you want to go to her wedding? Do you want to be part of that day and be in the pictures? If so, go. Unless she’s mistreated you or there is something more than “never close” in your relationship, I don’t see the lack of a +1 or the combo invite as a slight. She quite possibly forgot what she (or a proxy) did for the save the dates or she’s being careful with the dwindling budget. If you don’t want to go, no hard feelings, yeah? She might think you’ll be caring for your parents or that your attendance would be a “nice to have,” but neigther of you will be heartbroken if you don’t go. I don’t think asking about the +1 would be rude, because it could just be an error or, if she had a rule, you could well have someone eligible she doesn’t know about. I would let her have this, though, unless you both want to go and don’t want to go alone, in which case, you could ask for a +1 if your parents definitely won’t go.
Blue Eagle* August 25, 2019 at 1:09 pm If I need to send a separate invitation to an adult child living at the same address then I guess I made a faux pas too. When I send invitations or holiday cards to related people living at the same address, I put all of their names on the envelope. Seems like a waste of an invitation, reply card and two stamps for – I’m not sure what reason.
Aurora Leigh* August 25, 2019 at 8:37 pm Well, I am doing seperate invites for adult children living with their parents, but we’re not doing reply cards, and I may hand deliver some of the envelopes. Mostly because my own mother could be so infantalizing to me when I was living at home. I like to make sure I’m treating adults like adults. But that’s probably more my own baggage than anything else. My fiance has a lot several cousins that he’s not very close to now, but wants to invite for the sake of childhood memories. Since he’s not really sure who may or may not be in a serious relationship (now or in 9 months when the wedding actually happens) we decided to give the unmarried cousins all a +1, with the assumption they’d only bring someone they were serious about. It’s like 5 extra people at most, and we’re doing an outdoor wedding at a park with picnic food, so it’s like an extra $5-$8 each to add them. If we were having a fancier affair, the math for +1s would look very different.
Washi* August 25, 2019 at 8:27 am Yep, we did not give open-ended plus ones either and that concept has never made that much sense to me, tbh. It’s not a work party where you’re obligated to come, it’s not a public event like a festival. It’s an invitation to celebrate a special occasion, and I would expect that if someone didn’t think it would be fun to come for whatever reason, they would just decline, not that they would bring a random guest to make it fun for themselves. We did invite all significant others though, and when my friend broke up with her original boyfriend and started dating someone new a month before our wedding, the new guy was invited. So if you are in a relationship with someone new and your cousin doesn’t know that, I think you could ask to bring your new person as long as you make it clear that it’s not a big deal if she says no. I’m sorry about your engagement ending.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 11:24 am That’s how my family’s always done it – you don’t give +1s to a wedding just so someone can bring a date. It’s for SO’s (engaged or not) who might become a part of the family someday.
That Girl From Quinn's House* August 25, 2019 at 5:13 pm Yup, we didn’t give open-ended plus ones either. We did not want a bunch of strangers at our small wedding…plus then it wouldn’t have been a small wedding any more.
London Calling* August 25, 2019 at 8:10 am Do you WANT to go, or think you ought to because it’s your cousin? one thing worth bearing in mind is that it’s an invitation, not a summons. If your parents don’t look as if they’ll want to go/be able to make it, and you are meh about it, a polite refusal and a modest gift seems to be in order. With 200 guests, will she even notice you’re not there?
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 25, 2019 at 8:37 am Personal opinion: I hate the concept of a “plus-one” and refuse to invite anyone to a celebration that I don’t at least know well enough to put their name on the invitation. And to be honest, if someone called me up to ask why they didn’t get a plus-one to my event — not only would they not get their plus-one out of it, but I would probably think twice before inviting them to future events as a direct result. Like Anona said, try to reframe it from “you lost your plus-one” to “your former partner was invited as a social extension of you when that was applicable, and now that it’s not, they are no longer invited to family social events.” Totally reasonable. Weddings are fraught with people making demands on the couple (and, frankly, most often on the bride) and frequently expensive, and they have to make choices that fit their needs, regardless of anyone else’s desires. If you want to go to your cousin’s wedding and celebrate with her, go. If you truly don’t want to go, then don’t. But don’t fire shots into an otherwise-normal not-very-close family relationship over this.
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 1:54 pm You know what never gets discussed? The other side of the “+1”. If I had just started dating someone, and didn’t know much of their family/social circle, the last thing I would want to do is be a +1 to someone’s wedding. TBH, I think it’s an odd place to put someone in. Do I *want* to go to a wedding of a couple I have never met, especially if there is travel involved? Nope. Would I say that to the person I’m dating who wants me to be the +1? Probably not. So to me, not extending a +1 to non-LTR partners is doing two out of three parties a favor: The host doesn’t incur the cost of entertaining someone who doesn’t want to be there, and the person who doesn’t know anybody (including the bride or groom) is spared the discomfort of having to attend, or having the discussion about not wanting to go.
Red Reader the Adulting Fairy* August 25, 2019 at 2:21 pm There’s definitely that too. I don’t want to go to my own family events, let alone my spouse’s, let alone anyone else’s. :-P neither of my siblings traveled to attend either of my weddings and I didn’t travel to attend my brother’s.
BRR* August 25, 2019 at 9:54 am I wouldn’t say anything to her. While I think your cousin could have handled it a little better, I don’t think she committed any huge sin. It’s a little more complicated losing the +1 between the save the date and invitation but I wouldn’t expect anybody to widely announce the parameters for +1s so I can see why she didn’t directly reach out. I can also see why she sent you all the same invite since you live with your parents. If you don’t want to go, you don’t have to. But do you think some of the pain from your former relationship could be spilling over into this? Assuming there is not a “+1 for everyone” policy, I don’t think she put you in a difficult spot. Again, could have been handled slightly better but I’m getting the feeling this is getting into “emotions running high around weddings” territory.
NicoleK* August 25, 2019 at 10:08 am Do you even want to go to the wedding? Sounds like you’re not close to her and don’t have much of a relationship with her.
WellRed* August 25, 2019 at 10:25 am If you have to spend all summer thinking about who to bring, then I don’t think you should be annoyed by the bride’s invitation. Not everyone likes total strangers at their wedding.
Deanna Troi* August 25, 2019 at 12:14 pm I agree. With my family and friends, the guest is for the other half of an established couple, not so that you can scrape up any old person to come. If you’re spending a lot of time trying to figure out who to bring, then you’re not in a relationship where you have someone who is considered a social unit with you. I would have sent you your own separate invitation, however.
Stitch* August 25, 2019 at 10:36 am I would let it go. It’s a big wedding, it’s family so it’s not like you won’t know anyone. I remember at my cousin’s wedding a sibling brought a girlfriend. She somehow ended up in every single photo. Then they had an awful, awful breakup. My aunt asked my mom (a photo wizard) to remove her from as many photos as possible because it was bad for my cousin’s recovery.
Kay* August 25, 2019 at 12:05 pm It sounds like this is really more about how you feel about your own life right now rather than your cousin’s wedding. Are you unhappy to be living with your parents and single? Are you jealous your younger cousin is getting married first? Perhaps explore your feelings (maybe with a counselor) and see what’s really going on here. It’s normal you would get a single invitation if you’re single. The original invite was to your fiancée and since he’s out of the picture, his invite is gone. Plus ones to bring random dates are pretty unusual. She didn’t slight you or wrong you. It sounds like you aren’t close, so I’m not sure why she would individually contact you to discuss it?
Traffic_Spiral* August 26, 2019 at 6:55 am Yeah, this seems like one of those “there’s more to it” situations. If you’re in the same house as your parents there’s no reason you need a separate invitation, and ‘No Ring, No Bring’ is a pretty standard wedding rule.
Not A Manager* August 25, 2019 at 12:20 pm This is from the perspective of someone who never received a plus-one invitation, and who never sent one, so I know it’s probably dated. In my personal experience, formal events were for guests that you actually know, and their long-term committed partners. For the partners, you would find out their name before sending the invitation, so no one was a “plus one” and everyone was invited by name. I would have done the same as your cousin did, except I would have included your fiancé’s name on the original save the date. I would not have sent you a plus-one invitation after your breakup, unless I knew that you were in another serious relationship (“serious” being like engaged, married, or cohabiting) – in which case I would have found out the name of your new partner. I do agree that adults should get their own invitations, but I’m not sure why that upsets you so much. Do you feel infantilized? Invitations can get pretty pricey, so your cousin might have thought that since you’re at the same address anyway, it was okay to send one invite to you and your parents. Or she just might not have put so much thought into it. I know that weddings and big family events can be quite fraught, but I’m curious as to why this situation makes you so angry that you’d consider boycotting the event. For your own peace of mind, you might think a little bit about what your childhood experiences were regarding this cousin, or with your family in general, that causes you react so strongly to perceived slights.
Angelica Church* August 25, 2019 at 12:54 pm I would go if I wanted to go, regardless of plus one, and send my regrets if I didn’t. And then stop fretting about it.
YetAnotherUsername* August 25, 2019 at 12:56 pm You are way overthinking this. Weddings cost a lot of cash. We spent €90 on stamps alone so yes we darn well sent a single envelope to people who lived in the same house. We wanted to put our money into a nice venue and a good band, not on multiple invite cards and stamps for people who literally live in the same house!
Not So NewReader* August 25, 2019 at 2:00 pm So let me get this straight. You have recently broken up with your fiance and you have a very ill parent. That stands alone very well as good reason to decline a wedding invite from someone you barely know. My suggestion is to consider that your upset may have more to do with the upheaval in your own life than how your cousin is handling her wedding invites. You can just fill out the RSVP with “decline” and no explanation or if you are feeling apologetic you can say there is too much on the home front and you cannot break away right now. My advice is set the whole thing down in a calm place. Decades from now you will be glad you did. If I were in this situation, I would tell myself that I had a lot of emotional stuff running in the background and I needed to just remain rather neutral and not bring emotional stuff into this also. It’s odd, looking back the only times I regret are the times I DID say something.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 2:20 pm Please don’t say anything. Most weddings aren’t intended to be a date-night entertainment for the guests. It’s a family life event, and there’s no reason why random strangers (to the bride & groom) should be included as plus-ones, anymore than they should be included at a family baby shower, great-grandmas’s ninetieth birthday party, or a funeral. You are under no obligation to go at all. But if you do intend to go, you have the obligation to be gracious and remember that they aren’t throwing a party for your benefit. They are including you in their own important milestone. Just decide if you would enjoy celebrating with your extended family, and then send a yes or a no.
Zombie Unicorn* August 25, 2019 at 2:23 pm I don’t really understand why you would expect someone to use paper and stamps sending two invites. Is it possible that as you’re stressed about other stuff you’re overblowing this in your mind as a result?
Morning reader* August 25, 2019 at 5:16 pm I wouldn’t say anything about the lack of a “plus one,” but I would focus on the “family gathering” aspect of the wedding. It sounds like you are not all that close to your cousin. You might consider who else in your extended family you would like to see (since you don’t usually get much time with the bridal couple anyway) and whether or not your parents, or one of them, can attend. It might be nice to have someone representing your branch of the family there, and if your parents can’t go, you’re it. If one or both of your folks can’t go, that may be a time to contact your cousin and ask if you could sub in someone for one of them so you don’t have to go on your own. In that case, it would be best to bring someone else who knows the bride, another cousin or sibling who didn’t get an invitation. (For my daughter’s wedding, my aunt and her daughter (my first cousin) were invited, being the only close relatives left on my mother’s (bride’s grandmother’s) side. Elderly aunt could not come due to poor health so my cousin brought her granddaughter…. bride’s 2nd cousin once removed and only met my daughter once in the past… so my cousin had someone to travel with. Similarly I attended another distant cousin’s wedding with my brother, who had been invited, as a sub for my mother who was invited but could not make it. (Mother and brother still lived in that area and I did not, So I’d spent less time with that family group so didn’t get an invitation myself, but It was ok to ask if I could come in my mother’s place.) TL:DR represent your branch of the family at this event, and if you need to go with someone so you don’t travel alone, bring someone known at least to the family if not the bride. Also keep in mind that weddings are traditionally considered great places to meet other single people. If all of them brought dates, they wouldn’t be. Maybe you’ll be marrying the groom’s cousin this time next year! I’ve seen that kind of thing happen.
jDC* August 25, 2019 at 5:45 pm You aren’t in a relationship now so why would you have a plus one? A wedding is to celebrate the couple, not go on a date.
Anona* August 25, 2019 at 7:32 pm I just want to say I’m sorry about your fiance. I’m sure going to a wedding brings up various feelings. I’m thinking good thoughts for you.
Elizabeth West* August 25, 2019 at 9:10 pm She probably took the +1 off because she assumed you wouldn’t be bringing anyone after your breakup. It’s possible she also did need to cut back a little. I don’t think she did that AT you. If you don’t want to go, don’t. I wouldn’t bother bringing it up and would just decline.
AvonLady Barksdale* August 25, 2019 at 8:33 am Thoughts on air purifiers? We recently moved into an apartment and while we don’t have carpet, it’s still dustier than I’d like. The dog is shedding quite a bit and his hair gets everywhere. On top of that, I had a terrible allergy flare-up (we’re in a new city experiencing a very bad summer for allergies) that caused my eyes to swell so badly I had vision issues. I work from home, so there’s very little variation in the air I sit in regularly. All of this makes me think an air purifier is a good option, but there are so many different price levels that it makes me wary. If the top-of-the-line model is $800, can a $150 model really work? Anyone have a good one they can recommend? I’m willing to spend some money but not $800. I would prefer a pretty low-maintenance system. I don’t care about white noise, like a fan.
Mimosa Jones* August 25, 2019 at 10:37 am Sweet home has a good recommendation for air purifiers. They test on consumer reports level.
Luisa in Dallas* August 25, 2019 at 11:06 am I have a fairly cheap one from Walmart, but I’m planning to upgrade to the type Alison recommended on the open thread of April 20, 2019 – the Winix 5300-2 Air Purifier ($129 at Amazon). I think she said they have one upstairs and one downstairs. If it works for her with all her cats, it must be good!
Southern Metalsmith* August 25, 2019 at 11:22 am Alison recommended this one: Winix 5300-2 Air Purifier with True HEPA, PlasmaWave and Odor Reducing Carbon Filter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D8DAYBA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_qrQyDb6ET6MGH last April and I bought two at the time. My husband is allergic to cats and we have two. I put these in the two rooms in which he spends the most time and he says they have helped.
Anonymous Educator* August 25, 2019 at 12:00 pm I’d highly recommend the RabbitAir BioGS 2.0 Ultra. It’s expensive (almost $400), but it’s quiet and super effective. We can’t even smell our cats’ cat litter any more, so it doesn’t irritate my spouse’s allergies.
Gatomon* August 25, 2019 at 4:22 pm Yes, they’re great! You can get a great air purifier for less than $200. Look for one that has a HEPA filter, not a HEPA-type or HEPA-like filter. Price isn’t necessarily the best indicator. I use a Honeywell 50250 in my living space and a 17000 in the bedroom. The HEPA filters last about 5-ish years according to the manual and there’s a carbon pre-filter to replace more frequently. They say every 3 months, but that’s only if you’re trying to clear odors. I just do it once a year to keep air flowing into the machine. I have terrible allergies and they are essential in my book!
Joanne’s Daughter* August 25, 2019 at 7:09 pm I have an Austin Air Junior in my bedroom so I can sleep without waking up multiple times a night sneezing. I bought it in 2010, don’t know what I’d do without it.
Pharmgirl* August 25, 2019 at 8:42 am I’m hoping I can get some advice on homeowners insurance. I just bought my first condo (total of 4 units in the building), and the master policy is “all in” – including improvements and betterments/equipment breakdown. But I’m getting conflicting advice from insurance agents when I’ve called for quotes on how much dwelling coverage to purchase. Two agents said I didn’t need any at all, and two others said they weren’t sure if I really had “all in” (I do, I’ve confirmed it). The fifth guy was actually useful and said to look at the deductible on the master – obviously if there is damage only to my unit, I’d be solely responsible for the full amount. But now I’m not sure how much dwelling coverage to purchase – all of it, so I don’t have to worry about the master deductible? None? And then different companies have different rules…$50-$100 / sq foot, 80% of the total value. Even at $50/sq foot my premium comes to almost $700/year, almost twice the state average. I’m so confused, would love some help! P.S. for reference I have 1750 sq ft.
Reba* August 25, 2019 at 10:47 am Your lender may also have requirements for the coverage minimums, that may or may not be same as the state regs–maybe that would be a guideline. You basically will be getting insurance for your personal belongings and liability, right? Also I am confused by the “obviously” in your last para… That’s only if you’re *liable* for damage, right? Not if like the tree branch only happened to hit your bit of roof? Getting a policy that could cover a sudden expense like the master deductible seems smart to me. Some states have limits on the amount of master deductible that an individual member can be stuck with, so check on that too. For agents, the commission on your policy is not that big… So the person who is attentive and helpful on your small-fry situation (though not small to you!) gets definite brownie points. Congrats on your purchase!
Pharmgirl* August 25, 2019 at 11:45 am The lender didn’t have any requirements because of the all-in policy in the master, so that’s why I don’t know what to get. I’ll definitley being getting personal property, liability, sewer back up and loss assessment. I guess I assumed if, for example, there was a fire in my kitchen but the only damage was to my unit not any other, I could make a claim against the master policy, but as there’s a deductible in that policy, I would need to pay the deductible before coverage kicked in. Is that not correct? But I’ll look into state regs and also check and see how much of the master deductible I’d be liable for – I didn’t think of that, thanks for pointing that out!
Not A Manager* August 25, 2019 at 12:28 pm Why don’t you call the company that issued the master policy, and ask them? Ask them the general question of what kind of personal coverage you need, and ask them specific hypotheticals about things like smoke or water damage within the whole building, as opposed to an event that happens only in your unit. I would also ask your neighbors and your condo board what coverage they carry. In the condo building that I used to be in, the master policy covered damage up to the paint. Anything that happened within the walls, including electric that we’d pulled through the ceiling or pipes that we’d moved, was included in the master coverage. Anything interior to the coat of paint, like appliances and furnishings, was ours to insure. In our building, when damage occurred in our unit that was covered by the master policy, the condo association paid any deductible. You might want to clarify that with the condo board.
Pharmgirl* August 25, 2019 at 1:13 pm Thanks, these are great suggestions! I’ve reached out to my neighbor, just waiting to hear back, but I’ll contact the insurance company for the master as well.
Anono-me* August 26, 2019 at 1:53 am Ask a financially astute person who has a lot of physical property for their recommendation of an agent. They probably have a very good agent and their agent will probably want to do a good job for anyone, but especially for the friend of a good client. Also please look into full replacement coverage for whatever insurance you choose.
Blue wall* August 25, 2019 at 8:54 am Any prep tips for hurricane season that I can start to implement? As a newer resident to NC, I’d appreciate ideas on how to set myself up now so I don’t scramble later. I rent an apartment in a converted house.
BRR* August 25, 2019 at 9:41 am Get some supplies ready. Bottled water, candles, non-perishable food that doesn’t need to be heated, a pocket charger or two for your phone.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 11:38 am Reporting in from Charleston, SC. Yes. Do not be one of those people desperately searching high and low for flashlight batteries, bottled water, and canned tuna 24 hours before the hurricane is bearing down on you. It’s not like hurricane season is a surprise – it’s 6 months out of every year, although around here nobody really worries until August. Don’t forget that hurricanes/tropical storms *can* result in water service going out, so it’s a good idea to fill a bathtub with water before a storm comes (you can use this to flush toilets with.) You can also fill a washing machine with water – just turn it on minus soap and clothes, and stop it before it starts going through the cycles. What level is your apartment on? Flooding can be really bad here, but if I were on a 2nd or 3rd story that wouldn’t be a worry to me. If it’s on the first floor, I’d ask the landlord or neighbors what flooding has been like in the past to see if you want to get sandbags.
Not So NewReader* August 25, 2019 at 2:06 pm If you are on the second floor that is good, but where is your car (if you have one)? You might want to find out what people around you are doing with their cars.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 4:08 pm Good point! My house is high enough that I wouldn’t worry, but that’s not true of everyone. For the past few years, the city of Charleston has opened its parking garages free when a hurricane is imminent. Even if it wasn’t free, putting your car in a parking garage for a couple of days would be cheaper than having it totaled.
Blue wall* August 25, 2019 at 7:30 pm Second floor and we are on a high street, though I may consider moving the car to a grocery store lot a couple blocks away bc of all the trees here (and on-street parking).
Max Kitty* August 25, 2019 at 10:01 am The National Hurricane Center has a page for emergency preparedness. Extra cash. If the area is flooded and electricity out, no one may be able to take credit cards. Batteries and flashlights (candles would be a fire risk)
The Cosmic Avenger* August 25, 2019 at 10:24 am I have a bunch of crank-powered LED flashlights that also have built-in radios and cell phone chargers. I put one in each car and a few around the house. IME those are more convenient than just a regular flashlight (which you could probably use your cell phone for at first). An electric lantern might also be more convenient, if you are expecting a sustained outage and expecting to shelter in place for a while.
Loopy* August 25, 2019 at 11:14 am Our crank powered flashlight/charger/radio combo was one of my favorite purchases! Our can also be solar if sunlight is available. Seconding this. We’ve never had to use it yet and I’m still so happy about it! A cranky charger makes me feel so much better about at least having a little power for our cell phones if we need to keep in touch with family / check in on things.
fposte* August 25, 2019 at 1:11 pm Whoa, I’ve never heard of this–purchasing now, thanks to you both!
The Cosmic Avenger* August 25, 2019 at 8:58 pm This is the one I have, but I bought it many years ago based mostly on price, and the tuner isn’t the best. Still, it was a good deal, I’m just saying look at the others in this category, too. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000YAA9XO/
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 12:22 pm Yes to the cash. Also, I’m a big fan of these, which I bought as hurricane supplies but have only used during regular old SC thunderstorm outages. (I’m not shilling for True Value – I’m sure you can buy these at plenty of hardware/home supply stores. They are REALLY bright.) https://www.truevalue.com/led-switch-light
Stitch* August 25, 2019 at 10:29 am Get a power bank. Before a hurricane, charge it. Flashlights too. Have a big empty water container you can fill (absent Katrina levels of disaster and mismanagement you’d be evacuated pretty quickly if the water was out so you don’t need a crazy amount). I grew up in Florida and have been through a couple hurricanes and even losing power and having some roof leaks, it’s never been that bad. The worst part was the boredom. Have some books to read.
university minion* August 25, 2019 at 10:36 am Find out if you’re on a well or on city water. If you’re on city water, bottled water doesn’t need to be a as much of a priority. Food is a matter of preference. I cook lots of vegetable curries and egg dishes during outages. Most produce doesn’t really need to be refrigerated, so you can eat well if you want to. No need to survive on canned goods and MREs :-) Do you have a grill? If not, I’d get a small propane grill. For me, the week after a storm when the power is out is the only time I really use it, and also the thing that makes life tolerable. Costco usually has some good ones that can either use little bottles, or a normal size propane tank. That said, make sure your propane tank is full before a storm. Also, batteries, candles, yada, yada. Around here, everybody and their brother runs out to get generators, but they’re not needed (unless you have a medical need for one). Are you a coffee drinker? If so, what is your strategy for making coffee when the power’s out (see propane grill above)? Work that out. You don’t want to be figuring it out on the fly, uncaffeinated. Look at the contents of your freezer. In the summer, I like to keep the contents that actually need to stay frozen to a minimum. If it looks like a storm is coming this way, I plan my meals around what’s in the freezer in order to use it up. Do your windows open? If not, I’d plan on being somewhere else if the power’s going to be out for a week. Good ventilation is the key to staying comfortable. Do you have a gas water heater? If not, find out which of your friends does and ask ahead of time if you can swing by to take a shower. In a week-long power outage, the ability to take a hot shower makes life infinitely better. Locate your insurance documents and that sort of thing. Have a cooler with ice and the beverages of your choice when it appears a storm is imminent. Beyond that, don’t let the Weather Channel/society freak you out. As long as you’re in a soundly constructed house, unless the storm comes right on top of you, you’re probably okay. After a storm, resist the urge to get in your car and be a tourist. If you must go out to check on property, help friends, etc, a mountain bike is actually easier to get around on. Watch for fallen power lines and stay well away. What do you like to do that doesn’t involve electricity? Have that favorite book, card game, crochet project or puzzle on hand. Obviously, all this goes out the window if flooding is an issue. I’m in a hurricane prone area, but not at risk of flooding. I’ve been through enough storms that I don’t bother worrying until it’s a Category 3. I’m pretty much always ready for a few-days-long power outage, that’s not a big deal. Trees can come down in any bad thunderstorm, so I don’t bother worrying about that, either. If one’s going to come down, it’ll come down and there’s not much one can do to prepare for that.
Loopy* August 25, 2019 at 11:12 am This is great advice. I think we only really worry about being without power and making sure we are mostly comfortable. I might need to post next week to gather favorite power outage meals. I have only had one power outage over 24 hrs and I had the worst mish-mash of food ever. Eating was so weird and unenjoyable!
Stitch* August 25, 2019 at 11:18 am We used our camp stove and charcoal grill during outages. I was decently inland so storm surge wasn’t an issue.
university minion* August 25, 2019 at 1:03 pm I and a couple who live nearby are excellent camp chefs. You can cook so much more than traditional cookout foods on a grill. We took turns cooking and swapping ingredients so as to use up our perishables and ended up eating really well after Hurricane Michael (power out 8 days where we were), and didn’t end up throwing anything away due to spoilage. Some favorites were: Trader Joe’s Green Curry sauce with vegetables & rice Pesto scrambled eggs Skillet apple crisp Naan pizzas
Blue wall* August 25, 2019 at 7:36 pm Great advice! I have a lot of books and crafts so I’m set on the boredom front. Not sure if a propane grill would be allowed indoors? And yes to city water and gas water heater!
Arjay* August 27, 2019 at 11:02 am We have a battery operated fan that saves our sanity during power outages. Our apartment only has windows on the front wall in the living room and sliders in the bedroom. The bit of circulation from the fan is priceless!
Loopy* August 25, 2019 at 11:07 am I’m in coastal SC, so we definitely have to hurricane season prep too. I don’t know how many storms NC gets but here we do have to prep every single year just in case because waiting until a storm is forecasted is AWFUL. The crowds, the nerves- not worth it! We do it in mid-late summer and are all set by Sept 1. My first go round, I was annoyed at the hit to my budget because I wasn’t expecting it- so if you can plan for that- it helps. Extra food I wouldn’t normally buy, cases of water, extra gas, batteries, basic supplies like lights, etc. add up when you’re doing it for the first time. We stock up on water, batteries, food and when a storm is approaching we freeze a lot of cold packs to keep the freezer cold for as long as possible if we lose power. We also freeze water so it helps keep it cold but can be used as water to drink as well if needed. I’d look into getting creative with hurricane food. Our first year we had a little cat 1 that just blew out power for a few days and I realized I wished I had but more effort into creative hurricane meals rather than just basic things-you-can-eat. We have a BIG lantern that gives off great light and it’s the best. Flashlights are okay but annoying to try and do anything by like play cards, read, etc. We also have a great charger that has both a solar panel and a crank- its small for phones mostly but the option of the crank is great for night time! It was one of the best investments. I think it might even have a radio. We also store some gas in gas cans (just 5 gallons) because if a good sized storm is coming, the gas stations will run out (and be absolutely bonkers before they do). Most people are able to fill a tank but don’t think about refilling- for big storms, it can be hard. If you live with anyone else, have a talk about at what point you leave vs. stay. My husband and I have discussed this so there wont be a big fight a few days before the storm on staying vs. going but I know a lot of people often have different points at which they think they need to leave in terms of the forecast (cat 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.). Also be aware of any plans you’ll need in place for transporting pets if you’ll need to leave (people who leave them behind really get me angry, there are so many animal rescues in these storms because people don’t just leave them- which is awful enough- they leave them trapped!).
Stitch* August 25, 2019 at 11:22 am If there’s a risk to your personal safety, leaving is always the right call. Some people worry about protecting their houses. It’s never worth dying over.
Loopy* August 25, 2019 at 11:41 am Regardless of the right or wrong decision, it needs to be discussed before all the news hype and panic sets in. It’ll always come down to be a personal decision and for many- finances are unfortunately a major consideration. Often there are shelters set up and it’s good to look into options we ahead of any actual storm.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 12:16 pm Besides that, getting out on the highway in a horde of people evacuating is risky in itself, especially if you wait too late. We’ve had the talk 4 years in a row now, and always stayed. One of our bottom-line agreements is that if we haven’t decided to leave more than 24 hours before the storm might hit, we’re staying. We’re a little inland, in what passes for high ground in Charleston, so not worried about flooding. You never know about wind, but my house has weathered a lot since it was built in 1925.
Elizabeth West* August 25, 2019 at 9:23 pm Yeah, plans for evacuating pets need to be in place BEFORE a storm happens. Most emergency shelters won’t take them. Also make sure you have a supply of food and water for them.
Not So NewReader* August 25, 2019 at 2:13 pm I did not see this one mentioned. A friend was just talking about electric candles from a dollar store. I think he said they take AAA batteries which you can also get there. You can move them around the house to suit you, such as one in the bathroom or on the kitchen counter. I guess they are supposed to last 50 hours. I think you can turn them off during the day. It’s enough light to navigate around and find basic things.
tab* August 25, 2019 at 9:39 am With everything you have on your plate, I’m impressed that you’re willing to take this on. Thanks for being an advocate for those who can’t advocate for themselves!
The Other Dawn* August 25, 2019 at 10:59 am Oh man, my husband got a call this morning while camping that his parents’ house had a fire. Started in the granddaughter’s room (mattress caught on fire) and spread to the other upstairs bedroom. Water damage throughout since it was upstairs, so water came through the ceiling, of course. The three of them and the granddaughter’s dog are in a hotel. They were able to get assistance for emergency living expenses, which is great, but I’m very worried about insurance coverage on that house. My husband thinks there’s no fire insurance, though I thought this is included in homeowner’s insurance? (Or maybe it was homeowner’s since I believe the house is paid off.) His dad told him a while back they wanted to inspect for insurance at one point, but dad wouldn’t schedule it. He didn’t want an inspector to see the condition of the house–it’s very messy/dirty; ongoing, long-term bug situation; in general disrepair, etc. It’s a row house, so thankfully it didn’t spread to neighboring houses. And I’m glad they’re OK, as it could have been much worse.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 11:45 am Fire should be covered by homeowner’s insurance regardless of whether the house is paid off. The difference is that if it’s not paid off, the mortgage company/lender will MAKE you get homeowner’s insurance (in the US, at least.) Once you pay off the house, you can choose to have homeowner’s insurance (or not, as the case may be.) I hope the refusal to schedule an inspection didn’t result in cancellation of the policy.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 11:46 am Adding … I don’t know whether an owner-lender (where the owner is financing the sale) would necessarily require homeowner’s insurance, but I’d think anyone with half a grain of sense would.
The Other Dawn* August 25, 2019 at 11:58 am They’re in their late 70s and I believe the house is paid off, so they’d be having to pay home owner’s on their own since there’s no mortgage payment, which normally would include the insurance payment.
LilySparrow* August 25, 2019 at 2:25 pm I’ve never heard of a mortgage that included homeowners insurance. They often include *mortgage* insurance, but that covers your ability to pay. It doesn’t cover the property itself. HO ins is a separate obligation here. Where are you?
The Other Dawn* August 25, 2019 at 2:35 pm CT. It’s pretty standard that the mortgage payments include homeowner’s insurance and taxes.
Enough* August 25, 2019 at 3:08 pm That’s required escrow so the mortgage holder pays the taxes and home owner’s insurance. That project’s the mortgage holder. After the mortgage is paid off the home owner pays these items directly. But without the required escrow of the mortgage there is no requirement you continue homeowner’s insurance.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 6:13 pm It’s not that the mortgage itself includes homeowners insurance (at least not in my experience of buying houses in GA and SC.) It’s that the lender (bank/mortgage company) requires that you get homeowners insurance, and requires that it (as well as property taxes) are included in your monthly payment. So your monthly payment includes: Mortgage payment (principal+interest) Homeowners insurance Taxes All three of these are paid to the lender. The $$ for insurance and taxes is put in an escrow account, and the lender actually pays the insurance premium and the property tax. At least, this is how it worked in GA and SC. Might be different in other states.
Clisby* August 25, 2019 at 6:16 pm So, my husband and I have paid off our mortgage, and now we get the bills for the homeowners insurance and the property taxes. Before, the lender was making sure we paid the money to insure our (their) property, and making sure we paid the taxes so the county couldn’t seize the property for nonpayment of taxes. Now, that’s up to us.
Green Kangaroo* August 25, 2019 at 6:55 pm Our mortgage isn’t paid off, but we don’t escrow our property taxes or homeowner’s insurance. I think it varies by state and/or lender as to whether or not you are required to escrow. We do have to provide proof annually to our mortgage holder that we do have insurance; otherwise they have the right to obtain it for us (at an exorbitant rate.)
Anono-me* August 25, 2019 at 7:47 pm Depending on how the Home Owners’ Association is set up, the Association may have insurance on the building structure, that is paid for out of the association fees. The homeowner is then only responsible for the deductible and for their internal property ( Please note that the deductibles are getting higher and higher for most Association residents and that the internal homeowner’s property can include things like carpet and refrigerators.) I’m glad everyone was able to get out okay and that none of the other homes were badly damaged
Southern Discomfort* August 25, 2019 at 12:15 pm I’m a long time reader and a first time commenter. I am single, in my 40s and was diagnosed last year with cancer. Treatment went well. Flash forward to this week where I have been diagnosed with a different, totally unrelated cancer. I am in shock. I handled the first diagnosis so well, but this has thrown me for a loop. Also I’m looking at my 3rd major surgery in a year now. I know it will be fine. I am lucky that both kinds are fairly easily treatable. Doesn’t change the fact that this really is beginning to take a toll mentally and physically. Also, no history of cancer in my family so both instances were truly out of the blue. Any advice or well wishes would be appreciated.
Not A Manager* August 25, 2019 at 12:44 pm I’m so sorry that you’re facing this. Would it help you to remind yourself that we live in a time and place where many cancers can be detected and treated early? It sucks so much to have this diagnosis at all, but the fact that you have the diagnosis now (when the disease can be addressed) and not later (when it’s already done a lot of damage), is really beneficial. You asked for advice, and I actually have a lot of it, but somehow it all sounds trite when I type it out. If your treatment will cause any side effects, try to stock up in advance. Stock up meaning easily edible foods, mindless movies, etc. but also line up companionship and care for times that you anticipate being difficult. Sometimes it helps to have a visual reminder of how many days your treatment lasts, so that you can visually remove one each day. (We used a line of post-it notes.) Be gentle with yourself emotionally. Sometimes you might feel really crappy. Try not to be mean to yourself if you do. Try to acknowledge that you’re feeling overwhelmed, but try to remind yourself that this feeling won’t last forever and that in fact you’re managing really well. If you can take a friend with you to medical appointments, do. If not, take notes even when you think you’ll remember everything. Repeat back to the medical professional what you think they are saying to you. Don’t be afraid to stop them and ask them to clarify. Ask who you should contact if you find that you have additional questions after the appointment. I hope that your treatment is swift, easy, and completely successful. Best wishes and please post again. I’ll be thinking of you.
Alpha Bravo* August 25, 2019 at 1:06 pm No advice, but a huge helping of well wishes and northern sympathy.
Blue Eagle* August 25, 2019 at 1:18 pm Sending you positive thoughts and energy! The only advice I have for you is to not be afraid to ask your friends for the help that you need. For me, I’ve found that offering a choice of several things so people could choose what would work out best for them gave me the best result for the help I needed.
Max Kitty* August 25, 2019 at 1:23 pm I’m so very sorry. Best wishes for a successful surgery and treatment! Maybe you could give yourself a “reward” to look forward to when you’re through the treatment. Is there someplace you’ve always wanted to go, so that you could do some trip planning to help distract yourself?
WellRed* August 25, 2019 at 1:55 pm Sympathies. I was successfully treated for thyroid 15 years ago. Breast cancer scare this summer, totally out of the blue. It turned out to be just a scare, but that whole idea if, wtf?! Not again? Will this be my life from now on? Diagnosis after diagnosis? Why? Very, very real. Sending healing thoughts. You sound strong.
Not So NewReader* August 25, 2019 at 2:17 pm I am so sorry you are facing this again. Please know my thoughts are with you. Let us know how you are doing as you can.
Quandong* August 25, 2019 at 4:22 pm I’m so sorry you have a new cancer after already being diagnosed and treated last year for a different type. It can be particularly difficult as a single person going through the treatment process. Sending you many good wishes for getting through the next steps smoothly. I hope you can access support through cancer organizations if you want it.
Weegie* August 25, 2019 at 5:44 pm I was around the same age as you when I was diagnosed, but I only had one type of cancer to deal with. It was an aggressive one, though, and the speed with which I was diagnosed and rushed into treatment threw me completely for a loop. All in all, my life for a year was entirely taken up with surgeries and extended chemo, and I was in shock for the first few weeks. Well done on coping so far – you’ve already got strategies in place, and they will serve you well for the coming treatments. Keep reminding yourself that it *will* come to an end one day, and if you are able to access counselling either through your treatment centre or elsewhere, that’s worth considering – I found it tremendously helpful. Other things that helped me get through it were: the little work I was able to do from home during my ‘good’ weeks, eating whatever I felt like eating, even if that meant ice cream for breakfast, and watching ‘Colombo’ and made-for-TV movies every afternoon. A friend used to send me easy-to-read books to coincide with my chemo appointments – I can’t even begin to tell you how much I appreciated that, and I have since done similar things for friends going through their own cancer treatments (sending one sudoku puzzles, and another postcards of ships – things they enjoy). Whatever you would like people to bring, send, or do, please ask them. Another thing that got me through it was planning all the things I would do once treatment ended – and I so much enjoyed following through! It was a hard climb back to normality, but I got there and you will too.
NoLongerYoung* August 25, 2019 at 10:23 pm Sending you a hug from this corner of the internet… I’m so sorry. Experience only as a caretaker, but my heart goes out to you.
OtterB* August 26, 2019 at 4:05 pm Sending you well-wishes. In the space of a little less than two years I had an early-diagnosed cancer that required surgery but no chemo, followed by a broken ankle that needed to be non-weightbearing for several months, a round of cellulitis that put me in the hospital for several days of IV antibiotics, and surgery to remove a benign tumor from my spinal cord. It really does get to the point of WTF, now what? And it does take a toll. My main advice would be to give yourself more time to recover than you may think you “should” need. I found I could go back to doing lots of things after the second surgery but I still needed naps as often as possible for months.
Frustrated wife* August 25, 2019 at 12:58 pm Just had a fight with my husband. I texted him, can u come to me. He says why. I said just to see you. Something we do all the time, nothing unusual. I got up and went to him and he was really nasty about it. We ended up having a short fight which basically consisted of me saying why are you being nasty, him denying he’s being that way, and saying he’s in a bad mood it has nothing to do with me and leave him alone. It’s frustrating bc if he had just said he’s in a bad mood I would’ve left him alone. But he takes it out on me, denies it, and just starts dissecting each text I send him. I should have left him alone, but my natural inclination is to poke. Dig deep and find out what’s wrong. Whether it’s about me or not. honestly I am so tired of having to always dig deep. And please no comments about counselling/therapy.
Not A Manager* August 25, 2019 at 1:01 pm Why no comments about counseling or therapy? It sounds like this is a bit of a pattern between you – he needs space when he’s stressed, and you need contact when you’re stressed. That’s not unusual, but surely there’s a better solution than him being nasty and withdrawing, and you “poking” him until both of you are upset.
Frustrated wife* August 25, 2019 at 1:22 pm Yes it’s something we usually do, it’s not a big deal. If that’s what you want to fixate on, so be it, my post isn’t about that n
Not A Manager* August 25, 2019 at 1:35 pm Not being snarky at all: What is your post about? You seem pretty defensive when someone asks a reasonable clarifying question. You don’t want systemic suggestions about how to address this issue. Are you just wanting to be heard? There’s nothing wrong with that, especially if you’re feeling like your husband doesn’t always hear you. I hear you, and I’ll bet other people do too. It stings when you think you’re acting within the unspoken “rules” of your relationship and then your partner gets angry at you for behavior that’s pretty usual. It’s hard when you communicate and resolve issues one way, and your partner does it a different way. I hope that you and your husband reconnect later today and both of you feel better.
valentine* August 25, 2019 at 1:46 pm If that’s what you want to fixate on It’s all obvious to you and I understand if you feel raw and poked at yourself here. I think if your answer were different, the responses we give you would account for the distance/location type. What if you don’t poke? What if you hadn’t gone to him? When he next saw you, would he have acted like nothing happened, leaving you to feel obliged to bring it up and to clear the air? What if you tell him you need him not to: (1) take things out on you (2) deny what he’s just done? Refusing couple’s therapy isn’t necessarily a problem, but refusing to work on all these issues is. If he’s not working on finding common ground and ways forward, what does your shared future look like and is that something you want?
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 1:35 pm Texting when frustrated is not an ideal communication mechanism. You said the texting isn’t really part of the point, but it seems to me that his dissection of your texts is. I know that dissection would drive me nuts, and I assume that just compounds the problem you’re having. So perhaps once you figure out you’re both frustrated, put the texting down? When frustrated, that communication mechanism can’t be doing you any favors.
Frustrated wife* August 25, 2019 at 2:15 pm I hadn’t seen him since the night before and we both did our thing in the morning so by the time I texted him, I didn’t know he was in his mood. Short exchange-I text he text I text he text I put the phone down and went to him and that’s when it started.
Lena Clare* August 25, 2019 at 1:20 pm I found a book called ‘Attachment: the science of finding, and keeping, love’ (something like that) very helpful in understanding this type of dynamic in my own relationships.
Dan* August 25, 2019 at 1:32 pm It’s not right of him to essentially gaslight you. In some (many?) ways, you’re in a cycle that isn’t working. He withdraws, you poke and dig. You’re tired of poking and digging, and if I have to guess, he’s tired of trying to dodge your pokes and digs. My bet is that when he’s dodging, he’s trying to figure out how to say the minimum to get you to stop poking and digging without him saying something that would make things worse. He needs to deal with his thoughts privately. And while at some point he does need to openly communicate with you, there’s no reason it has to be done on your timeline. You’ve identified a behavior/pattern in yourself that can be changed (knowing you should have left him alone but poke/dug instead). Do you want to change it (y/n)? If not, then you’ll get more of the same behaviors and frustrations. If you do want to change it but don’t know how, that’s what the “T” word is for.
Zombie Unicorn* August 25, 2019 at 2:35 pm I don’t think it’s helpful to call this gaslighting. He’s asking for space and that’s not unreasonable!
Alex* August 25, 2019 at 3:37 pm I think Dan was referring to the part of the post where husband claimed he wasn’t being cranky and everything was fine….while being cranky and not fine.
Slutty Toes* August 26, 2019 at 6:18 am It’s not helpful to call this gaslighting. Gaslighting involves maliciously misleading someone to make them doubt themselves. Claiming not to be cranky is sometimes to smooth things over and sometimes, believe it or not, because the person doesn’t believe himself to be cranky.
big X* August 25, 2019 at 1:58 pm Not a Manager nailed it. You two are dealing with conflict in diametrically different ways. You have two options: 1) hash this out and try to adapt to what each other’s needs are. (Him understanding your need not to be shut out and you understanding that he can’t give you the level of emotional introspection you want in the moment) 2) just leave him alone when he’s in a bad mood and suppress your urge to poke (i.e. get used to this) Can you deal with this happening for the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years if things aren’t addressed?
The Other Dawn* August 25, 2019 at 2:34 pm “2) just leave him alone when he’s in a bad mood and suppress your urge to poke (i.e. get used to this)” Definitely easier said than done, but this is what I’d opt for. I’d be really pissed off if I told my husband I was in a bad mood and to leave me alone for a bit, but then he still kept at me. Not every bad mood is about him. I tell him that and he leaves me alone, and vice versa.
Frustrated wife* August 25, 2019 at 2:12 pm Allison, can you please remove this post? almost all answers have been helpful. Thank you.
N.L.* August 25, 2019 at 2:43 pm Alison has said before that she doesn’t see all comments so you would need to email her if you want to be sure she sees this. But she’s said she doesn’t remove comments upon request bc it can confuse people who took time to write replies and don’t see them any more.
Purt's Peas* August 25, 2019 at 5:17 pm That is really frustrating and upsetting. Is this the kind of fight that happens over and over? I think once you cool off it may be worth it to come up with some code words if he needs alone time, or a way for you to ask if he’s in a bad enough mood that he needs alone time. And it might be worth it to consider if you’re blowing past signs that he’s in a bad mood because you’re a bit pokey (I’m pokey too, no judgment here). There are two conversations here, I think. In one, you can apologize for poking at him, because I do think that’s apology-worthy (I think that it’s almost always worth apologizing about things). In another, you can tell him what you need. For instance: “I understand that sometimes you get into a bad mood and need some space, and in the future I’ll try to back off earlier when I realize that. But X, Y, and Z that you said/do make me feel very, very bad, and it’s not cool to lash out at me like this. I need two things. One, can you tell me or text me ‘I need some alone time’ when you’re in a bad mood and I won’t push until you tell me it’s passed. And two, don’t say/do that stuff to me.” Good luck, and I hope you two do ok!
JustAnotherHRPro* August 25, 2019 at 1:32 pm Full disclosure Alison? I’ve been reading and loving this blog for at least 8 years now I think. But my favorite posts? Kitty pictures. I’ve carefully crafted my Facebook page to be nothing but cats too. Just thought I’d tell you. Have a good weekend y’all!
Moe* August 25, 2019 at 2:49 pm TL;DR: is it possible to socialize a 6 year old dog? I found some dog behaviorists in my area, but I’m afraid it’s too late. I have two 6-year-old dogs. Vinny is a scaredy-cat but generally likes people and can go to the dog park. Bob hates mostly everyone, but can be pet sometimes, and is very protective of Vinny. Bob is 3/4 schnauzer and has a yelpy, loud, angry sounding bark. When Bob sees any other dog, he loses his sht. Absolutely goes ballistic and wags his tail profusely. I know a wagging tail doesn’t always mean positive things, and I’m afraid of even letting other dogs near him. Some people understand and others get annoyed. I know we didn’t socialize Bob properly and I regret it every day. Anyway, I’ve looked at some behavioral specialists in the area and it looks like it will be about $800-2000 to have them work with my dog. I have the funds, but will this actually work? Is my dog too old?
university minion* August 25, 2019 at 2:52 pm No, he’s not too old, but it will be a long road. Do a LOT of research before hiring anyone, since anybody can call themself a dog behaviorist and many would leave you and your dog worse off than before. I can think of one person in my general area I’d trust for this sort of work and she’s 2 hours away. I’d gladly make that drive though – she’s worth it.
lunchbox* August 25, 2019 at 5:05 pm If you bring lunch from home, what kind of container do you use? I use some Tupperware and will wrap in 2 plastic bags but sometimes there is a leak (although it does stay in the bag). I am usually carrying a backpack and rely on public transportation so don’t really want to carry an extra lunch box, but often a container that started flat will end up being turned on its side. I don’t usually bring things with sauces but sometimes even something that is not as cold will generate some leakeage. I saw several lunchboxes/totes earlier today, but none of the lunch containers sold right next to them fit flat, so what’s the point?
Jaid* August 25, 2019 at 5:13 pm It really depends on how much food you have. I have a Zojirushi SL-JAE14HG Mr Bento Stainless Lunch Jar, with inner bowls that can be microwaved. It’s self contained, like a Thermos. “Zippered carrying bag with strap; outer container with lock and lid; 6.8-ounce small side bowl with lid; 10.1-ounce large side bowl with lid; 15.2-ounce main bowl with lid; 9-1/2-ounce soup bowl with gasket, valve, and lid; forked spoon with cover and holder. ” There are other versions, but these are pretty much leakproof.
fposte* August 25, 2019 at 5:16 pm I use Lock and Lock containers—you can get them on Amazon and, around me, in Asian grocery stores. Which one will work for you will depend on your lunch habits; I like the divided ones (you can use that word in your search in Amazon). They have a bit of gasket that means they fit very tightly, and I’ve never had a leak.
Alex* August 25, 2019 at 5:35 pm Depends on what I’m bringing, but I bring soups in my backpack in pint mason jars with the plastic caps on them. If your backpack has a water bottle holder, that’s a good place for a pint mason jar! Otherwise, I try to pack my backpack (which doesn’t have a water bottle holder :( ) in such a way that the jar is propped up, like if I put it in the small front pocket along with some other items. The jars aren’t 100% leakproof but they are pretty good. I do wrap in a plastic bag if it is a thin brothed soup. I also use public transportation and/or ride my bike to work, so I understand the problem of packing the bag for jostling preparedness. If I’m not bringing soup, I tend to use containers with a rubber gasket and click-closed lids. They work pretty well, and the glass ones can be microwaved.
Parenthetically* August 25, 2019 at 5:52 pm You can definitely buy combo bags and containers that are very slim and would easily fit into a backpack. I have the following, all totally leak-proof: a very tight sealing bento-style lunchbox from Bentgo that fits neatly into a slim lunchbag with just enough room for utensil and napkin and ice pack. A set of glass containers with snap-locking lids (regardless of material, snap-locking lids are VITAL imo). A 16 oz Thermos food jar. A collapsible silicone divided container, again with a snap-lock lid. Most I bought on clearance or at TJ Maxx. TJ Maxx/Homegoods and similar stores are great places to look for these kinds of containers, including little leakproof squeezy bottles and tubs with screw-on lids for sauces.
jDC* August 25, 2019 at 5:54 pm I have containers for husband that are sort of made for meal prep but the compartments spill into each other. I am currently about to buy some type of bento box with lunch bag on amazon. There are so many though I haven’t decided which yet.
Dr. Anonymous* August 25, 2019 at 6:14 pm I have cheap Ziploc plastic screw-top containers, and they work pretty well. The couple of drops of leaks you could get can be contained by wrapping it in a dishtowel.
WellRed* August 25, 2019 at 6:18 pm I use these for pretty much everything. No links ( soups, chilis).
BRR* August 25, 2019 at 6:19 pm I use glasslock containers from the container store. There are probably cheaper out there but I take soup all the time in them and I don’t think there have been any leaks. I carry my lunchbox in my backpack but I needed a pretty big backpack for that to work so it might not fit what you’re looking for.
Zombie Unicorn* August 26, 2019 at 1:38 am I would also make sure you put the container at the bottom of your backpack. Then it’s less likely to get turned sideways.
StudentA* August 25, 2019 at 8:19 pm Went to the nail spa today and went with the $80 option. That’s me really really treating myself. Talking about the pedicure here. I was extremely surprised they tacked on $15 for nail polish removal. I’ve heard of charging for nail polish removal AS A SEPARATE SERVICE but geez never as part of the pedicure. This struck me as sad and greedy. Am I that out of it? Is this a regional thing?
Not A Manager* August 25, 2019 at 8:28 pm Never heard of it. That’s completely ridiculous. Was that posted on their price list as a separate line item? How on earth was the technician supposed to give you your pedicure if she didn’t remove the existing polish? I see a bad Yelp review in their future.
StudentA* August 25, 2019 at 10:01 pm Yes, it’s a separate line, making you think it’s a totally separate service. And this is a really nice spa, not some sketchy place :(
big X* August 25, 2019 at 8:52 pm Polish removal is a service that is separate at all shops I’ve been to (Pacific NW) but with an 80 dollar package, it definitely feels like it should be included.
Cat* August 25, 2019 at 8:54 pm Was it gel polish? I’ve been charged extra for removing that, but not for removing regular.
Tara R.* August 25, 2019 at 11:09 pm In the midst of calling child protective services on my dad right now (about his gf’s kids), good vibes highly appreciated as I’m a bit of a wreck.
Enough* August 26, 2019 at 12:05 am The right thing always seems the hardest to do. I’m sorry you have to deal with this but applaud you.
Not A Manager* August 26, 2019 at 12:57 am Oh my. All the good vibes. I’m so sorry all of you are going through this. Good for you for doing what’s right.
Not So NewReader* August 26, 2019 at 7:26 am oh my, good vibes, of course. Thank you for standing up for children.
Zephy* August 26, 2019 at 11:23 am Hopefully it’s not too late for the open thread! Last weekend I was excited about getting a kitten. Well, he’s here! The first couple of nights were a little rough; the baby was confined to the bathroom (attached to the bedroom) and cried all night, and when he wasn’t crying, the resident cat was hissing and growling outside the door. The angry grown-cat noises don’t seem to have fazed the baby, which I’m glad of, so the only one we really need to worry about is the big kitty. Last night we locked growncat out of the bedroom and let the baby in with us, and he was much quieter; he does chatter to himself while he plays, but it sure beats listening to him cry all night (at a frequency that we are biologically incapable of ignoring – same one human babies cry at). I rubbed a clean sock all over the baby and I’ve set it near the adult’s food bowl, and it looks like growncat is staying calmer for longer every time he comes near the door to the bathroom. The general plan is to give the kitten access to more and more of the apartment over the course of the week, and they should be ready for a face-to-face meet-and-greet by Friday evening, I think. I do have pictures, but I don’t know how to share them on here!
allikat0782* August 26, 2019 at 12:36 pm Hi fellow AAM readers! Just wanted to put out a shameless plug for my sweet pup, Dolly! She entered in a photo contest to be named PAWS Chicago’s Picture-Perfect Pet of 2020 and could use some votes. If you have a few seconds, please click on the link below and give her some love! It only takes a few seconds and you can vote every day thorugh Sept 4! https://woobox.com/c3xefc/gallery/HPKjuz_t8w8
The Rat-Catcher* August 26, 2019 at 3:39 pm Last week sucked. Monday – random stomach pain, makes me late for work and Mouse-Catcher late for kindergarten. Tuesday – tire goes flat on the way to school and daycare. Mouse Catcher and I are late again. Get donut put on my car. Daycare declares infectious disease outbreak and I have to take Squirrel Catcher to be tested. Wednesday – come out after work and my donut has gone flat during the day. Thursday – Mouse Catcher and Squirrel Catcher behave like banshees. However, Squirrel Catcher does not have the infectious disease. Friday – grandmother is hospitalized. It’s not life threatening but it’s no picnic either. Saturday – packing all day Sunday – I lost Mr. Rat Catchers wallet. Between looking for that and trying to put up laundry and get our house to where you can move around again and do homework, I stay up the majority of the night. But, it’s been better since 8:00 Monday morning. Maybe my allotted week is over?!
Gypo* August 26, 2019 at 3:59 pm Just to double down on Alison’s Nina Stibbe’s book recommendation: If this is anywhere near as good as the same author’s hilarious “Man at the Helm,” a semiautobiographical novel about 2 sisters seeking a suitable mate for their unconventional, neurotic mum, I can’t wait to get my mitts on it. The earlier work is a laugh a minute, a somewhat obscure gem well worth a read.