how do people handle highly visible workspaces? by Alison Green on October 24, 2024 A reader writes: This is a low-stakes question, but I’m curious if anyone else is bothered by open-office floor plans (or otherwise very visible work spaces) and if so, any tips on how to deal with feeling strangely “on display” at all times? I work a non-customer-facing office job. I haven’t worked a true customer service job since I worked restaurant jobs in college, and I remember feeling terribly drained at the end of a shift with sore facial muscles from smiling all day at strangers. (I say that just to say I don’t know how people do it; customer service workers have my utmost respect!) More recently, at my last job my desk happened to be in the middle of a large room and visible via an interior window to a busy hallway, and also visible to another hallway behind me. We had no break room so I’d eat at my desk and had many moments where I’d be stuffing my face while accidently making eye contact with those walking by. It wasn’t just the eating that was awkward — I’d really prefer to blow my nose (allergies, yay), or make a weird face at my computer on occasion, or stand up for a quick stretch without an audience of people walking by and sometimes stopping to stare or ask me what I’m doing. I had a micromanaging boss then who pressured me to not eat at my desk and to look professional at all times (aka, always smiling) since I was so visible — seems easy for her to say when she had an office with a door, and my job was not a front desk manager or receptionist so I wasn’t expecting to be “on” in that way, it was just the way the room was set up. I asked to move desks because I found the pressure to smile 24/7 to be too distracting but was brushed off. It was a strange environment, mostly because of my boss’s smiling thing and also partly because I personally didn’t love working inside a fishbowl. Now the concept of highly visible workspaces has become a fascination of mine. I’m at a new job and have a cubicle so it’s less of an issue (though I still feel a little awkward if I need a stretch break). My new colleagues with offices have fully glass doors/walls. (It is not at all soundproof but that’s a different issue.) Is it only me that would feel uncomfortable and distracted in a highly visible office? How do people deal? Maybe it does work well for some people? It is definitely not only you! Loads of people dislike highly visible workspaces. Generally, people do adjust at least to some degree, and there are a lot of of workplaces where visibility and lack of privacy is built into the model (think, for example, of newsrooms, call centers, factories, etc.). Usually people function by mentally assuming a sort of cloak of invisibility around some activities, or just get used to it and don’t think about it much after a while. But some people don’t adjust and are never quite comfortable with it. Sometimes there are physical changes you can make to your work area that will ameliorate it a bit, like tweaking the direction your computer faces, strategically blocking passer-bys’ view with some files, or agreeing with your coworkers on a “do not disturb” signal. But your set-up was made worse for two reasons: the lack of any break room, so you had to do everything at your desk, and the smile-obsessed boss. Either of those would make the situation worse, but the boss in particular was ridiculous. Expecting someone to smile through the entire workday (and not just when, for example, a client approaches them) is bizarre and out of touch with the reality of human faces and displayed some really weird priorities. You may also like:an overly cheerful executive keeps ordering me to feel greathow do I manage people in an open office where everyone can hear what I say?my small open plan office is trying to enforce a semi-quiet work environment and I hate it { 191 comments }
FunkyMunky* October 24, 2024 at 2:05 pm i used to work in a visible spot like this until 2020 and now we are remote and I DO NOT miss being in a fishbowl. massive amount of noise, distributions, gossip etc
Miss Chanandler Bong* October 24, 2024 at 3:02 pm I work from home and I absolutely do not miss being visible, especially since I’m neurodivergent. I need to get up and walk around more than most people, and I keep fidgets at my desk. I don’t need people watching me and thinking “Oh, she’s up AGAIN?” And meeting are so much better, especially since we keep the cameras off. I can sit there with a fidget and pay much more attention than I ever did in person.
FunkyMunky* October 25, 2024 at 8:02 pm I’m a big get up and walk around person (at home especially, when I’m on calls) and definitely do not miss passive aggressive commentary about how someone thought I was on lunch cos I’m not at my desk for X minutes.
Random Tech Worker* October 24, 2024 at 3:58 pm This is exactly how I feel! After 15 years stuck in open plan offices I’m happily working at home where I don’t have to constantly wear headphones to drown out the loud coworkers.
Nicosloanicota* October 24, 2024 at 4:06 pm Yep. I had a cube right by a main aisle and from the angle virtually everyone was cued to glance over if I so much as moved or shifted. So many cow-eyes just staring at me. People also couldn’t help lingering to bug me – ‘howzitgoing,’ etc – if there was any backup at the nearby breakroom/bathroom hallway divide (I was also maximally far away from any form of natural light; it must have been one of the single worst cubes in the entire office of crappy cubes). I … ended up quitting for a very lateral job that had some degree of WFH. I remember almost bursting into tears one time trying to concentrate on a complicated spreadsheet while everyone chattered and gabbed on the phone all around me.
JMC* October 24, 2024 at 5:58 pm Same here!!! I hate open floor plans, and being in a fish bowl. I much prefer the privacy of my own home.
tina turner* October 24, 2024 at 6:49 pm My first real job was in the newsroom of a Mpls. newsroom. Very Mary Tyler Moore. It was great. Reporters / columnists / copy editors all in one big room. It’s how it was. So I don’t get this. But these were bright people in a room w/very subtle “distinctions” in status. They tolerated it.
Judy* October 25, 2024 at 10:34 am I currently work in a spot like that. I might not have liked it in previous jobs, but in this one where none of my coworkers ever engage (with anyone) I appreciate the opportunity to get that interaction with passersby.
Alton Brown's Evil Twin* October 24, 2024 at 2:07 pm Oh wow. I know that I have a furrowed brow most of the day, but when I worked in open spaces like that I just didn’t care what other people thought. I’m guessing those interactions are heavily gendered – women are often face-policed and men generally aren’t.
I like my RBF* October 24, 2024 at 2:35 pm I have sometimes replied “It’s not my job to be decorative” to those “smile!” comments.
The Bigger the Hair…* October 24, 2024 at 3:07 pm Face-policed is my new favorite term! This is so gendered. Has anyone in business ever told a male to “smile more”. Who cares what one’s facial expressions are while working. This stuff makes me crazy. It’s especially egregious that one female face-policed another female.
CV* October 24, 2024 at 3:53 pm Not smiling specifically, but somewhat related: one job told my programmer husband that he wasn’t being social enough with the rest of the team.
Chauncy Gardener* October 24, 2024 at 8:32 pm A programmer? Being social enough? Not often you hear those two in the same sentence
Seeking Second Childhood* October 24, 2024 at 6:09 pm Yes but infrequently enough that it’s worthy of note when it happens. And the times I know of, it was a man in a majority-wimen role.
Minimal Pear* October 25, 2024 at 10:54 am I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens to men of color, disabled men, etc.
Mentally Spicy* October 25, 2024 at 1:20 pm I (a man with resting douche face) have had loads of people say things like that to me. “Smile!”, “cheer up”, “what’s wrong?”, “are you ok?” It’s something I’m constantly aware of. I have tried to develop a more neutral resting face (not smiling exactly, just not looking like I’m plotting to murder everyone around me). It slips when I’m deep in concentration or focus. It’s deeply frustrating when someone brings me out of a hyper-focus state to ask if everything’s ok!
Good Lord Ratty* October 25, 2024 at 1:27 pm Yes, some men (mostly men of colour) are in fact told to smile or smile more, so that they appear less “threatening” and more approachable to white people. This happens to all women, regardless of colour or ethnicity, and doesn’t necessarily happen to all non-white men. But it does happen to them.
Le Sigh* October 24, 2024 at 3:14 pm I don’t care that I have RBF when I’m working on my computer, but lord help me other people sure did. And they would interrupt me *all the time* to ask what was wrong. “Nothing’s wrong it’s just my face.” Now I wfh and my main interruptions are a cute cat demanding cuddles. I will take the trade off.
allathian* October 25, 2024 at 1:05 am Yeah, thankfully I’ve avoided this. I worked in CS for years and learned to smile on command, but thankfully people at my office let others wear their focused faces as they will. That said, one of my teammates has shared that some people used hesitate to approach him at work because he looked, and I quote, “murderous,” when he was focusing on his screen. Because this bothered him, I suggested that he might try to consciously relax his face, if not straight up smile, when people seemed to hesitate whether or not to approach him. A few months later, he bought me a coffee to thank me because my suggestion had worked.
London Calling* October 25, 2024 at 5:20 am Oh yes, having an RBF. Useful in a lot of situations but lordy, some people do feel the need to comment ‘You look cross.’ ‘This is the face I was born with. Blame my parents.’ The only person I’ve ever really pushed back on was the man who kept harassing me over why I didn’t have children – something that really irked him, for some reason. He started with the ‘you don’t smile much, do you?’ routine and I turned around and told him to stop commenting on my appearance unless he wanted to repeat it in front of HR. The kicker to that was that he worked in HR.
Unkempt Flatware* October 24, 2024 at 3:42 pm I contort my face into the ugliest snarl I can muster when told by a man to smile. Then I drop my face back to neutral and it scares them away forever.
JustaTech* October 25, 2024 at 5:49 pm I have a friend who’s response to being told buy a guy to smile is to smile the most terrifying “serial killer about to eat your liver” smile you’ve ever seen. She’s an engineer, so she’s had an unfortunate amount of practice at it.
Ms. Eleanous* October 24, 2024 at 5:12 pm Not sure if this is still true, but Disney used to require employees to smile at all times. Even people customers would never see, like accountants. Apparently it was a fireable offence. I doubt I would last long there.
XF1013* October 24, 2024 at 5:58 pm I can confirm that it was not true in the late 2010s, even at the theme parks. I was lucky to be gifted a backstage tour of Epcot for a birthday, and it took place in the morning before the park opened. The tour guide warned us that other than him, any “cast member” that we encountered was not yet “on stage” until the park opened and thus had no obligation to smile at us or interact with us, and we were to leave them alone. We saw them milling about quietly in their uniforms, just like regular workers with neutral expressions. Then the clock struck 9am and it was like a switch flipped; everyone was suddenly big smiles and high energy as guests started pouring in. That was one of the most mundane behind-the-scenes details that we learned that day, but it was still an interesting glimpse into the company culture.
Dog momma* October 25, 2024 at 8:03 am Before my cataract surgery, I had a very strong eyeglass prescription ( since I was a kid). So at work, if someone asked me why I looked mad ( frowning) or upset more than once, I quickly learned to make an eye appointment and get new (even stronger) glasses. It never failed…
Kathy the Librarian* October 25, 2024 at 1:39 pm “I’m guessing those interactions are heavily gendered – women are often face-policed and men generally aren’t.” Yeah…. this is sexual discrimination! And it’s actionable. But I love the response “It’s not my job to be decorative.” I’m stealing it! :-)
Justme, The OG* October 24, 2024 at 2:08 pm Yes! My first actual office working in higher education had three glass walls. So while I technically had privacy in the way of being able to shut my door and shut out noise, I was basically in a fish bowl. I hated it. I basically kept nothing personal in view of anyone else.
MCL* October 24, 2024 at 2:48 pm Ugh we are preparing to move to a brand new building next summer (also higher ed) and the rumor is that it’s all glass offices and meeting rooms. I hope we can at least get frosted glass. Enough to know that a room is occupied but not a fishbowl. There’s a lot of noises that leadership are making about the benefits of sunlight but I just want some dang privacy. I can get plenty of natural light behind a nice frosted pane of glass.
Ghee Buttersnaps* October 24, 2024 at 3:00 pm When I worked in an office that had a floor to ceiling pane of glass beside every door many people put up a curtain. It was normalized when some employees started using their office to pump and then it just caught on.
Justme, The OG* October 24, 2024 at 3:18 pm I’m in an office now with a full height window next to the door, and shades are standard. Others have also added frosted plastic to make them more opaque. I don’t mind the shades.
NotBatman* October 25, 2024 at 10:50 am Higher ed is an especially awful place to work in a fishbowl, since many 18-to-22-year-olds are not yet expert at social norms and it shows. So many problems with students sitting on your desk, or starting a conversation when you’re clearly in the middle of a zoom call, or disclosing their entire life story (occasionally through tears) as prelude to asking if they can borrow a stapler.
Le Sigh* October 24, 2024 at 3:52 pm When my office was remodeled, they did the glass panes in the door thing and glass walls for the board room. It wasn’t a huge issue for the most part, but it was amusing that only *after* we moved back in did they realize that the HR folks had almost no privacy, which is kind of a problem when you’re dealing with sensitive issues. Sure enough, they had people back to frost their doors.
Love to WFH* October 24, 2024 at 5:56 pm A friend’s company moved to new space, and all the office and conference room walls were glass, and the employee’s desks were all open plan. EVERYONE HATED IT.
physics lab* October 24, 2024 at 8:23 pm Not that high stakes, but I would hate for my computer to be visible from the hallways — especially when grading! That could be a FERPA violation.
Wonderland* October 26, 2024 at 3:10 am Many years ago, my office was planning to move as I was planning to go on maternity leave. The arrangement for pumping was that I’d do it in the HR person ‘s office – until we got there and discovered that it was an all glass wall affair! The only private space in the office suite was the computer closet, and in the building it was bathrooms and janitorial cupboards. I wound up using an unused disabled toilet.
Snarkus Aurelius* October 24, 2024 at 2:09 pm When men and my mother tell me to smile, I always ask, “Why? Is something amusing?” I really want to know! Smiling without a reason will make other people uncomfortable. It’s weird or at least it makes me feel weird. When someone asks you why you’re smiling, you’ll come off as even more weird because you have to say you don’t have a reason. Smiling under those circumstances is so unnatural. There’s a reason Smile and Smile 2 are horror movies.
Juicebox Hero* October 24, 2024 at 2:16 pm I lean into the horror movie aspect. I slowly pull my lips into the creepiest rictus I can while gazing expressionlessly at them over my glasses.
Ally McBeal* October 24, 2024 at 4:41 pm I have never done this, but I have always wanted to look at the person and use my two middle fingers to push up the corners of my mouth into a smile. Obviously not work-appropriate (at most jobs anyway) but it sounds so fun.
Empress Ki* October 24, 2024 at 2:19 pm I am the one who is smiling a lot of the time. I don’t think this is weird and I don’t need a particular reason to smile. Requesting you to smile is wrong, but expecting people to have a reason to smile is also wrong.
Distracted Librarian* October 24, 2024 at 2:50 pm Smiling without a reason is creepy to me. I’d be weirded out by a co-worker or customer service person who was permanently smiling.
Chapeau* October 24, 2024 at 3:37 pm I lean hard into the “Smile, people will wonder what you’re up to” side of things. Not an evil smile, kind of a Mona Lisa smile.
Chauncy Gardener* October 24, 2024 at 8:35 pm That’s why every time someone comes by my desk who is the “smile police,” I smile vaguely, yet somehow not pleasantly, behind them. It makes them really really nervous. Heh.
888 Pocomo* October 24, 2024 at 2:10 pm I have two massive monitors on my desk, and I’m short, so no one can make eye contact with me anymore. I freaking love it.
Chantal* October 24, 2024 at 2:12 pm I had a desk where to the right there were windows to a hallway used by the whole building. We put up a frosted film and I felt SO much better.
Sparkles McFadden* October 24, 2024 at 2:56 pm I was just coming here to say that anyone near an interior wonder should ask for frosted film to be put up. It really makes you feel less like a zoo animal.
Raisin Walking to the Moon* October 24, 2024 at 2:13 pm The details of your letter made it seem like your question might be rhetorical, but as someone who works the front desk in a Library, I do have tips for handling the high visibility. 1. lean in to the idea that you are on stage and this is a performance. this is the most helpful for me, although I AM a former theater kid so your mileage may vary. 2. Keep track of how your location makes you indispensable and how that, in turn, improves your social standing and self esteem. I’m the person everyone comes to for hard questions and that makes me proud. 3. Veg out after hours. Let your face rest. Have friends you share the “real” you with.
Formerly Retailed* October 24, 2024 at 2:27 pm I made it through five years of retail by pretending I was an actress going undercover to do research for a big role.
Raisin Walking to the Moon* October 24, 2024 at 2:42 pm YES. I feel like non-artists sometimes really don’t get it, but living in any community involves not being your 100% authentic self for tons of reasons that ultimately benefit everyone.
Glad I'm Not in the Rat-Race Any More.* October 24, 2024 at 3:08 pm Seven years, two of them as an associate manager, with undiagnosed ASD. I’d unlock the public doors and think, “Showtime!” a la Roy Scheider’s character in “All That Jazz.” I also had scripts for the start of almost every customer interaction. (Probably drove my coworkers a bit crazier listening to me say the same thing to customer after customer.) After every shift, I went home and shut myself in a dark room for an hour. The children were warned that there’d be more hell to pay than usual if they got up to shenanigans during my “time out” from the world.
ThatLibraryLady* October 24, 2024 at 3:02 pm I’ve worked in some form of either retail or libraries my whole life. I think I incidentally developed a resting pleasant face, judging by the fact that I get approached for help in other random places in public. I know other people have done things like get those privacy filters for their computer screens. For me, I just stopped caring. I’ll make weird faces at my computer sometimes, but people tend to mostly not care about what you do. I’ve also become really good at tuning things out, which is mostly bad when I’m supposed to be making sure kids aren’t skipping classes, but keeps me sane.
Paint N Drip* October 24, 2024 at 3:56 pm I have a RBF but I also have some kind of born-with-it wholesome ‘please do talk to me in public, stranger’ face (which doesn’t actually align with my personality, but sure yeah let me give you directions)
Annie* October 24, 2024 at 3:59 pm Yes, I can see having frosted windows, but I also agree to your point that most people don’t really care that much what you’re doing at your desk, if you’re making strange faces at the computer or eating a snack. Those people who do care and make you uncomfortable are the problem, and need to learn some manners and to mind their own business.
MsSolo (UK)* October 25, 2024 at 5:05 am I definitely have resting pleasant face (and a perma-perky tone) from customer facing roles that means colleagues who’ve only ever worked in offices read me as extremely cheerful and optimistic even when I’m delivering bad news. Add it to being a dumpy middle aged woman with purple hair, which reads as ‘safe’ to a lot of demographics, and I get approached a lot by strangers for help. Sadly, it’s usually with directions, which I am terrrrrrrible at.
I'm just here for the cats!!* October 24, 2024 at 3:08 pm Interesting idea but working at the library front desk is completely different than what the OP described. Their desk just happened to be very visible but they weren’t someone that would need to be on in that way.
March* October 24, 2024 at 4:59 pm Also, remember because it’s just the facts: people can THINK whatever they want about your faces and demeanor and lunch menu, but as soon as they SAY anything, THEY are the ones making it weird. It’s simply not manners, or indeed professional, to make remarks about others’ life-living ways. It’s not an egregious faux pas on their part, but it’s really embarrassing for them, and its best to just pretend they said “hello” instead of whatever gauche thing they did say, nod to them, and go about your day.
Lily Rowan* October 24, 2024 at 2:13 pm Ugh, the first time I had an office, my back was to the glass door which had a straight view through another glass door into the conference room, and it was a hot mess. But also, I was young and didn’t think, so my boss had to specifically tell me not to play solitaire on my computer during a board meeting. (I was on lunch!)
Lily Rowan* October 24, 2024 at 2:35 pm Oh, as for what to do, I figured out a way to shift my monitor so that everyone wasn’t looking at it all the time, so I would think about stuff like that.
Workerbee* October 24, 2024 at 10:37 pm Tangentially, I always hated the knee-jerk “That employee is playing games/surfing the internet/reading when they should be working!!!” conclusion-jumping done by higher-ups. First of all, Sparky, how do YOU have time to wander around peering at everybody – or, in your case, those board members not keeping their attention on their own stupid meeting – and second, why do execs forget that lunch and breaks happen?
sheworkshardforthemoney* October 25, 2024 at 5:42 am I’m still salty about a time we worked flat out without a break prepping food and meals for special diets. Someone asked if quinoa was gluten-free and I checked my phone to make sure. Another dept head happened by and reported me for “being on the phone all day.” Our manager had our back and knew what was happening but it was still enraging.
NobodyHasTimeForThis* October 25, 2024 at 1:34 pm Glare/privacy screens and a slight angle to the computer are vital in a fishbowl.
HonorBox* October 24, 2024 at 2:14 pm I have exterior windows on one side of my office and have had people knock, wave, stare in, and even stop to pick their teeth using my window as a mirror. I have blinds, but like to have the daylight shine in versus sitting in an office only lit by overhead fluorescents. There have been more than a few occasions when someone has watched me eat. Well, not watched per se, but definitely they’ve seen me stuff a sandwich into my maw very quickly. I hate that I’m on display to an extent, but I choose to keep my blinds open because I like that alternative over the other. While I know it is different than working in an interior bullpen setting, I think my advice would be the same… do what you do, recognizing that you may be observed. And just don’t do anything that you wouldn’t want someone else to see if they were sitting next to you. If you don’t have an alternate place to eat, just eat at your desk. Probably don’t slurp soup or challenge yourself to see how many hard boiled eggs you can fit into your mouth. But if there’s nowhere else to go, I find it really difficult to suggest that someone not eat at their desk. And then forget the smiling part. Act normally, just as you would if you had an office. That means feel free to make whatever face you need to make while reading an email. If you need to stretch, do so. I don’t know the boss in this situation, but I’d just take whatever suggestion HE (I’m assuming) made about smiling and round file it. If someone challenged me on that, I’d gladly point out that I’m a human being and there is no possible way – even for those in customer-facing roles – to smile consistently every second of the work day.
Librarian* October 24, 2024 at 2:52 pm Put up a sign with your job title, the Latin translation, what your natural range is, your feeding habits, and other information zoo-goers…um…office-goers might want to know. Be sure to put up a sign asking people not to knock on the glass.
Hazel* October 24, 2024 at 3:11 pm I once worked on a ground floor with floor to ceiling windows with reflective coating so people couldn’t see in. It didn’t work in all light conditions so occasionally people would lean on them or walk by admiring their reflection and then jump because they saw us inside (what did they think the large office building was, a fish tank?!). But the worst was one evening working late, a guy sidled up to the concrete pillar right outside by cube, looked around, didn’t realize I was inches away inside, and took a pee.
leeapeea* October 24, 2024 at 2:15 pm My current office was formerly a reception area and has large glass sliding windows. While I do some support work, I am not reception or an admin assistant, but everyone kept treating me like I was. Not only that, but the kitchen and a bathroom are right outside my office and I felt like I was learning way too much about my coworkers! My solutions that helped: I moved my desk away from the windows and facing a different direction. I then put up frosted privacy film on all the windows so the light can still get in, but people can’t see me or my computer screen. Finally, I put house plants along the windowsill with the sliding glass window so it’s very awkward to open it. I do have some HR related responsibilities, so I was prepared to combat any complaints from management with “data privacy” but luckily there was no pushback. I realize these are not solutions that work in every office, but really the privacy film was a game changer and people who have been working in this office building for 14 years barely noticed.
Bananapants* October 24, 2024 at 2:16 pm Oh man I was just talking to a friend about this! Best solution I’ve come up with so far is to wear headphones most of the day and just get outside as often as possible at lunch + for coffee runs. I genuinely miss having an assigned desk in a cubicle, and I think a lot of companies kind of jumped on the open-plan trend without thinking about whether it suited the type of work they did (plus I figure there was a cost-cutting element). My current office (language services field) has pretty much everyone at one long table, and we do hot desking. It’s sometimes handy for collaboration but my most frequent project collaborators often aren’t in office with me. Also I usually wind up having to sit with all my project managers + department head + company CEO next to me, which makes me nervous as hell.
Yup* October 24, 2024 at 2:17 pm I haaaaaaaated it. Hated. X 10000000. My coworker was on speakerphone all day long and my job was coming up with concepts and copy and it was impossible. I hated not being able to have a private or even semi-private conversation, or people looking at my monitor (nothing to hide, but hated being watched as I worked!), and feeling like I was on display. My work absolutely suffered from it, and I’m guessing the ad industry at large doesn’t realize that their very hip open spaces are costing them time, money, and ideas.
EngineeringFun* October 25, 2024 at 7:02 am Agreed. We have these “pin wheel desks” so everyone can see everything no matter where you sit! I do detailed analysis. Everyone wears headphones and pretends they are allone. We do have large break rooms and phone booths.
Alex* October 24, 2024 at 2:21 pm Yeah I think most people hate them. I sure do. But walls are expensive.
Sharpie* October 25, 2024 at 5:40 am Try room dividers if you can’t put up walls and can get the blessing to do so. I think open offices can be ok but it’s much better with spaces divided off for different teams or what have you. Though people working with sensitive information – health records, or in finance or HR – need to have actual offices with doors.
Decidedly Me* October 24, 2024 at 2:23 pm I don’t think I could personally handle an open environment – all my coping mechanisms for random things would come across weirdly. The few times I’ve had to work from the office vs from home, I’ve had to change my processes. It’s fine for a bit, but I don’t think would be good long term. My partner turned down an offer out of college that had an open office and took one with a private one. He now works in an open office and loves it. People all have their very unique, sometimes odd, set ups and no one bats an eye. I think culture goes a long way in determining how comfortable a set up is for people that don’t naturally gravitate to that sort of thing. People seem to respect each other’s spaces as their own – not hovering or staring unless actively collaborating.
Paint N Drip* October 24, 2024 at 4:00 pm I just turned down a job this week that was a glass-walled office, right behind reception, with several cubicles inside all facing the hallway and lunchroom. I know I could do the job, and I’d be into the profit sharing! But same, my copes would make my office mates hate me and I’d also look insane probably
Generic Name* October 24, 2024 at 2:24 pm My office building is an open office plan with low-walled cubicles. While I thankfully have a private office, the entire front is glass, so there is still a lack of privacy. I agree with Alison in that there is a bit of a culture of “don’t stare into people’s workspaces as you walk by”. Fortunately my office has plenty of meeting rooms, focus rooms, and phone rooms. They all are also glass-walled, but there is at least 1 or 2 phone rooms tucked away in corners that feel more private, so if I’m feeling “people’d out” I’ll go take a break in one of the phone rooms. We also have wellness rooms that one could theoretically retreat in to take a break from being on display.
Insert Clever Name Here* October 24, 2024 at 4:40 pm My office is similar, but I’m in a cubicle. There is definitely a culture of not staring at people’s workspaces. I do occasionally meet the eye of someone walking by when I’m looking around to rest my eyes or think, but it’s not our culture to acknowledge each other. It’s fine. It’s not my favorite office set up, but I’ve gotten used to it over the past 8ish years and come up with coping strategies when I get overwhelmed. It’s easier to deal with now that I’m working from home a few days a week, too.
JustaTech* October 25, 2024 at 6:04 pm Yes, this is what my floor does: we’re all not-quite cubes or offices with glass walls, so everyone just doesn’t look at the screens of the people who have their backs to the walkway, and generally politely pretend that other people aren’t there. This is hard for me because my eyes are really drawn to screens, but I just aim my gaze down a little bit and I can usually not see anyone’s screen when I’m walking by.
Paint N Drip* October 24, 2024 at 4:04 pm When I took over my current job, there was an UGLY artificial plant on the desk – as a plant nerd and lover of aesthetics, I was not impressed. After moving stuff around, eventually getting new monitors, etc. I decided to toss the plant – immediately learned how wrong and dumb I am the next day as EVERYONE walking by made eye contact with me (facepalm) I no longer judge ANY plants or decor anyone has in the office or on the desk, you just never know what it’s actually accomplishing
I'm great at doing stuff* October 24, 2024 at 2:25 pm I worked in an open office, and it was the worst. Fortunately I was mostly remote or in the field and I didn’t have to be there often, but when I did it was annoying. The worst was a coworker would track me every time I got up, work related or not. I felt like she was checking if I was doing work or not…it was super irritating.
Honoria Lucasta* October 24, 2024 at 2:25 pm I worked as a receptionist for two years and had a highly visible workspace. Even though the public nature of the job made having my workspace visible an expected element of the job, it still came with some of the challenges you describe. I approached the issue in a few ways: *Some things I just gave myself permission to do, as long as I could make them relatively small or discreet, knowing that they had to be done. If I had to blow my nose, I had to blow my nose. As long as it was a small discreet blow, I would just do it (it would have been weird to ask someone to cover the desk for that!). We had a bottle of hand sanitizer on the desk, so I would just use that afterwards. When our weekly volunteer brought cookies and offered me one (every week!) I would accept it graciously and eat it at my desk using a kleenex as a “napkin”. *Some things I made adjustments for. I had a colleague who worked nearby who used to do my job, so I could ask her to cover phones and the door for a second while I dipped down to the restroom if I needed to to loudly blow my nose. Part of her job description was to be my backup–e.g. she was expected to cover when I was at lunch–so this wasn’t an imposition. I made sure my desk was completely reset to a perfectly clean state at the end of every day, rather than leaving projects out. I kept almost all my personal items in one of the desk drawers, rather than out on the desk (just one family photo next to my monitors). *Some things, I just accepted I wouldn’t be able to do. I couldn’t have personal phone conversations at my desk, for example, even if I was on my lunch break (and I wouldn’t have taken my break at my desk anyway, because if you’re a receptionist at the desk you’re assumed to be ‘on’). We did have a break room, so I was able to eat there and take my breaks elsewhere in the building.
Minimal Pear* October 25, 2024 at 12:22 pm I don’t know why, but your brief mention of cookies has me INTENSELY craving snickerdoodles.
Rock* October 24, 2024 at 2:27 pm I’ve arranged my monitors so that one can only be seen if you walk past in a certain direction (totally not watching YouTube videos about dinosaurs on it, nope). I’ve also just made my cubicle as cozy as possible with decorations so it’s very clear this is my space in the middle of the office.
LC* October 24, 2024 at 2:28 pm What about a giant privacy folder to go around your immediate area? We use those for testing in elementary schools.
Lisa* October 24, 2024 at 2:29 pm And then employers wonder why people don’t want to come back to the office.
coffee* October 24, 2024 at 11:00 pm So much this. I have a fair amount of video meetings and phone calls, and my office is so quiet that everyone on the floor gets to come along for the ride regardless of whether they want to or not. The sound of me talking just carries.
Dances with Code* October 24, 2024 at 2:30 pm About a year ago, my employer consolidated two buildings worth of office space into one, converting to “hoteling” workstations, AKA no one has a place that is theirs in the office. We don’t have lockers or any other way to keep anything at work. All the workstations are very visible, with no privacy available except by going to the restroom. Additionally, the HVAC system is loud, and gives me low grade tension headaches. I’ve measured it at a continuous 90 Dbs, which is above OSHA recommendations for day-long exposure. Cue the recommendations for noise cancelling headphones. Um, no that won’t prevent hearing loss effects. The one nice thing about the office option is they put in very nice sit-stand desks, but it doesn’t overcome the other shortcomings, especially the background noise. My team almost entirely work from home rather than subject ourselves to these working conditions. and our leadership continually tries to get us into the office with pizza parties or other free lunch. Furthermore, I have a restricted diet (gf, low carb) but I get little traction on this issue even if I make a point of bringing it up. Again. None of my leadership have ever asked me why they don’t see me in the office more often. They just tell me they’d like to see me, applying mild pressure. And all this seems depressingly “normal” for workplaces in my experience.
lizzay* October 24, 2024 at 2:40 pm If it weren’t for the 90 db HVAC system, I would ask if we worked in the same place (in my last job, not the current one, phew)!
Wonderland* October 26, 2024 at 3:23 am “dear HR, I reported the OSHA violation to my manager on Date. If it is not resolved in a week I will be contacting OSHA to see what can be done. Kind regards, Dances with Code”
Aggretsuko* October 24, 2024 at 2:31 pm Mandatory reference to Ron’s public revolving desk on Parks and Recreation….
Elevator Elevator* October 24, 2024 at 2:33 pm For about a year, a former manager of mine had a direct view of my desk and screen from her desk and would constantly comment on things I was doing, most frequently what I was eating. Once, a day or two after Halloween, she loudly commented how shocked she was to see me eating my fifth piece of candy of the day. I wasn’t counting, but she clearly was! I luckily don’t have any issues around weight or food, so I knew this was deeply messed up behavior from her but it didn’t actually bother me more than anything else about our terrible relationship did. However, I’m a fundamentally spiteful person so eventually I just started getting a massive cheesesteak to eat at my desk whenever I was annoyed with her. I also had a One Direction calendar up at my desk – February was a photo of just Harry Styles, and she kept loudly complaining that she couldn’t stand him looking at her all the time. I changed my computer background to be a rotating selection of the most off-putting Harry Styles closeups I could find, so he’d be staring at her long after his month on the calendar was up. This ultimately backfired when IT needed to remotely access my computer to fix something and I had to spend an agonizing half hour watching the desktop cycle through pictures, mortified that the tech could see everything.
Workerbee* October 24, 2024 at 10:43 pm If it retroactively helps – IT (good IT) people just want to fix the problem and close the ticket, not focus unduly on what doesn’t matter in that context.
Pretty Pumpkin* October 24, 2024 at 2:34 pm I used to work in a visible spot where everyone had to walk by my desk to get anywhere and my screen was visible. One thing I found draining was feeling obligated to say good morning to every person that walked but mostly my nosy coworker looking over my shoulder at my screen to ask what I’m doing (especially when I was just reading AAM).
HugeTractsofLand* October 24, 2024 at 2:37 pm I work at a pretty visible spot and have found a couple things helpful. Firstly, like Allison mentioned, I’ve positioned my two monitors so they largely block out my face to anyone walking by, like a wide, open book. When someone asks for my attention, the small act of me tilting my head around the computer to look at them creates the illusion of “space.” Secondly, I created an “In a Zoom meeting” sign that I stand up on my desk next to my monitor when I’m taking a video call. That’s been a great cue for people approaching me/walking by to keep their voices down, know that I’m not talking to them, know to come back later, etc.. Just be conscientious about putting away the sign when you’re NOT in a meeting or people will start to assume it doesn’t apply.
lizzay* October 24, 2024 at 2:47 pm Ugh, you are NOT alone! My current job has very open cubicles (the desks are mainly those with a 120 angle, and the only walls are one the backs, but at least the walls are a good 2 feet above the desk space. My last job moved into the open office / hoteling space, which I HATED. I finally found a cube that nobody else apparently wanted and that was facing most of the team. We were also provided with privacy screens for the monitors (thank goodness for privacy concerns these days!), so you really had to be directly behind someone to see what they were looking at. I still hated it so much. I talk to myself a lot, too, even if I’m just moving my lips with no sound & have natural RBF. Not caring about how you look by those around you can be quite empowering! If nothing else, it makes them too scared to tell you to smile! Though, sorry LW, it doesn’t sound like your boss falls into that category. Maybe work on your RBF??
Designerly* October 24, 2024 at 2:47 pm OP, were you my colleague a few years ago? I won’t name names, but there’s a hint in my username. Assuming we were not colleagues, I’ll explain (with a few details lightly changed) that I previously worked in an open office space with a lot of foot traffic, glass walls everywhere, and a controlling supervisor. She used to stare at me from her office while I sat at my computer, and I only reported to her for one-third of my work! It was *so* weird. When our team relocated within the same building, I advocated for a subtle frosted window treatment over two feet of the glass wall where the assistants worked. I somehow managed to do this appropriately without including this particular supervisor in the process (it wasn’t her purview, and people more senior than both of us approved it). When the window treatment was installed, the surprised supervisor freaked out. She said people walking by wouldn’t know they could ask us for help, but that didn’t really make sense to me as people know how to knock on a door and could still see around the window treatment. I believe she was upset that her direct line of sight to stare at her assistant was cut off. I remember her assistant teared up the next day (in an assistant-only meeting) and spoke of the toll that the constant staring had taken on her mental health. Whew! I do *not* miss working in that environment.
It's Marie - Not Maria* October 24, 2024 at 2:48 pm I’m in HR, and ended up at a company that was 100% open office concept. Even the President of the company did not have an office. All of HR were in low sided, grouped desks, in a main traffic area (not sure whose brilliant idea this was). We constantly had to shield our monitor screens as people would walk by slowly, craning their necks, trying to read what we had on our screens. Privacy protectors were pretty much useless. If we needed to speak privately with an employee, we had to go into a glass sided break out room – so everyone knew who was talking to HR or being talked to by HR. After a couple months, the company had a major data breach, which originated in HR (not me, thank heavens, but the HR higher ups tried blaming me for it). I burned every bridge with that company with a scathing email to the company’s President (ccing the VP of HR and my Boss), explaining exactly what had happened with the data breach and who the responsible parties were – I had nothing to do with where the data was stored and why it was stored incorrectly. I also called the VP and my Boss out for trying to pin it on someone other than their pets (who were 100% responsible for the breach). I then submitted my notice and was walked out immediately. I heard from an acquaintance at the company a couple weeks later the next few days were not good for the VP and my former Boss. Both of them left the company shortly after. I saw recently on LinkedIn the VP landed at an absolutely awful company to work for in our area. Karma is beautiful sometimes.
Abogado Avocado* October 24, 2024 at 2:52 pm Here’s my “Okay, Boomer” reminiscence: When I worked in newsrooms, virtually everyone was in a highly visible space except for the editor and managing editors. (And by highly visible space, think desks jammed together in rows and without cubicle dividers.) One of my colleagues, a lowly reporter like me, would announce, when she was on deadline, to those around her: “I’m in the Cone of Silence.” (Which referred to a very old TV show you can look up on Wikipedia called, “Get Smart”.) So latecomers knew she wasn’t to be bothered, she’d put up a sign she drew on a manila folder, “_____ is in the Cone of Silence.” And, because we were all Boomers like her, we got the reference and left her alone.
Sparkles McFadden* October 24, 2024 at 3:07 pm Not quite a boomer, but, thanks to reruns, I, too, had a sign that said “Cone of Silence in use – come back later.” I thought it was funny because the Get Smart Cone of Silence never actually worked…but people did leave me alone to finish what I was working on.
Distracted Librarian* October 24, 2024 at 2:52 pm I’ve seen colleagues in open office areas use artwork or plants (small ones on their desks, large ones on the floor) to create a screen. Also reorienting the desk so you’re sideways rather than facing out can help a bit.
Baska* October 24, 2024 at 2:53 pm I worked a job like this once, where my desk (and ONLY my desk) was in the middle of a large, highly-trafficked area, where people walking past could see my screen, my workstation, etc. I lasted about 4 months before I quit. It wasn’t only because of feeling like I was in a panopticon, but that certainly didn’t help things.
Media Mouse* October 24, 2024 at 2:55 pm I was in a visible spot – main hallway, right after elevators and in a management role. Guests acted like I was the receptionist and I’d shrug and say, “I don’t know” or ignore them while pointing to my headset if I was on a conference call. The funny thing was how people waited only for me to say, “I don’t know, you may want to ask your point of contact on-site” (which all Guests had to have one for our building). As for eating, stretching and other things – I adopted an “I don’t give a flying f—” mentality and did them regardless of who was watching (and hilariously enough, had a security camera visible in my location). Since the pandemic and other departments moving into our building, I got moved to a location that was still an open floor plan, but now with a corner. I still occasionally get people wandering to me since I am still somewhat of the first desk people see when they get off the elevators, but I still adopt the habits I kept when I was in the highly visible section. One caveat I do have was that if anyone played loud music without heads in our open office plan, I’d end up going up to them to ask them to wear headsets or earbuds. It’s mostly a polite ‘we-don’t-see’anything’ going on with our open floor plans in our office.
It's Marie - Not Maria* October 24, 2024 at 3:07 pm When I worked at an open office company, we had someone who would wear headphones and would sing along LOUDLY to the music they were listening to. They had an awful singing voice and it drove everyone up the wall, but since their boss was in another country, they didn’t feel like they needed to listen to anyone when counseled about this.
yirna* October 24, 2024 at 4:31 pm The kindest thing our IT did was to make it so that if our laptops are connected to the corporate wifi, the speaker drivers magically disappear. I.E., if you’re in the office, the speakers *just don’t work.* It’s so necessary.
Emperor Kuzco* October 24, 2024 at 3:00 pm I completely sympathize, I’m currently sitting at a desk that is right next to a high-traffic entrance, while just 1o ft away is another high-traffic entrance that cuts in front of my desk. So basically I’m out in the open and exposed 24/7 (or 8.5/5 technically). It really sucks and feels awkward when I’m just plugging away at work and then look up randomly to see someone walking by staring at me. But even the people with offices have glass windows/walls on 3 sides of their offices!! And their doors have windows!! So unless you’re a top-level executive, you’re on display ALL THE TIME. People have asked for white-noise machines just so people can’t hear sensitive conversations. It’s wild.
pally* October 24, 2024 at 3:07 pm Just a few days ago, a recruiter hit me up with a position they hoped to fill. An open-office facility was touted as one of the perks. No thanks. I’ll pass.
Waves sandwich* October 24, 2024 at 3:09 pm I’ve grown used to it…I am an admin assistant (in higher ed)…my desk is in the near the pathway of getting from one side of the floor to the other. It’s pretty open with desk study spaces and near two tutoring spaces (in which I work). People stop by to talk, students stop by with questions, etc. I also eat at my desk. I just don’t care anymore! Most of the mornings are quiet so that is when I do most of my work and some of my work is confidential like approving student time sheets – which I do in the mornings before a lot of students arrive to hang out/work/study, etc. I also turn down the brightness on my screen so it’s not as visible to everyone behind me. I usually hang out on the internet in the afternoons as the noise increases as the day progresses. Or I just go home early. I used to be able to tune it out better but sometimes it’s just too much!
AMH* October 24, 2024 at 3:13 pm My desk is directly along the hallway that leads to our kitchen and right down from the bathrooms; people walk past me all day and although I know no one is actually staring at me I feel like I can FEEL their eyes even as I keep my own on my monitor (I say good morning or hi to people of course, but people pass by multiple times). It’s a tough desk assignment that I’ve mostly gotten used to.
Jonathan MacKay* October 24, 2024 at 3:17 pm Technically, as I work in a warehouse setting attached to our local office – (still a small business, usually only 3-4 of us here on a given day) I’ve had the opposite problem…… . things are often quiet enough I’ll come around a corner and jump 3 feet out of my skin because someone is there! It’s open concept enough in the office… but the warehouse has enough corners that this happens at least once a week!
C in DC* October 24, 2024 at 3:18 pm I worked in an office where one side of our cubicles was a glass wall overlooking a hallway. It was great for getting natural light into the space, but there were a lot of distractions. Some of my colleagues bought paper shades to block the windows at vision height from their desks to avoid exactly the behavior the writer describes.
That's a Big NO From Me* October 24, 2024 at 3:22 pm I had an interview many years ago for a position at a financial website, and I knew as soon as I walked in I’d be turning the job down because all the employees were in one huge room, with their desks pushed up against the walls, facing into the wall, backs to the huge empty space, side by side. I’m creeped out thinking about it to this day. They offered me the job and I turned it down. NO regrets.
DannyG* October 24, 2024 at 5:02 pm Wondering what their reasoning was behind this arrangement. (Confidentiality?)
allathian* October 25, 2024 at 1:28 am No confidentiality when people can walk right behind you. I’d be sitting there with my shoulders up to my ears.
lizzay* October 25, 2024 at 8:29 am Ugh this sounds like liminal space. Even on ‘Severed’, they’re at least facing each other!
HigherEdEscapee* October 24, 2024 at 3:23 pm Years ago in the before times, I worked in a small non profit where there was the office for the ED, the front desk, the glass walled room for the sysadmins, and then A Room for everyone else. While I worked at the front desk I was ok. I had high desk walls, a full wall at my back, and often nobody else was in the front lobby. When I moved into the large room I couldn’t handle it. My anxiety went to 11. We all sat in a wide U shape, we each had our own desks, and there was no privacy whatsoever. We were not customer facing and didn’t often have visitors, it was just 6-8 people or so, but the complete lack of privacy was so bad that my rate of panic attacks skyrocketed. It wasn’t the people I worked with, other than the president of the board, it was the complete lack of cover. One of my very kind colleagues actually built walls for me out of cardboard and foam board, and that helped, but that also opened the discussion around how other people were also uncomfortable. They were just able to hide it better than me. Ultimately we chose to get cubicles and things got SO much better for my anxiety. We also ended up with more actual work space as we weren’t working on just a desk and we had space to keep our things. I work remotely now, and I will never willingly go back into an office, but an open floor plan is an absolute deal breaker for me should I ever accept an in office job again.
StruggleBus* October 24, 2024 at 3:24 pm I have PTSD and recently found out it is very aggravated by being in an open office. I’ve never worked in one before, always had a cube or my own office. I don’t have any advice (other than quit), just solidarity.
El* October 24, 2024 at 3:26 pm I worked in an open-plan office for eight years, and absolutely hated it. The feeling of being constantly on display was exhausting. In addition, I was part of the management team, and every time the director and I spoke to each other, people would freak out that someone was “in trouble” or something was happening. (Which was a whole other problem with that director and that team, but we don’t have time to unpack all of that.) Then we went remote for the pandemic. When we returned to the office, it quickly became apparent how absolutely intolerable it was to work in that environment. Aside from the COVID-based aspects of being crammed into a space with no windows or fresh air flow, I was fully unable to function. The amount of noise, distractions, people monitoring each other–unbearable. I changed teams and now luckily have my own office with a door that closes and I love it.
Perihelion* October 24, 2024 at 3:30 pm Makes me think of the Natural History Museum that has an “exhibit” where you can just watch paleontologists works on fossils. I had an IT role there for a while and occasionally had to work on the computers in that exhibit. It was supremely weird to install updates with a dozen people staring at me, I don’t know how the scientists got anything done.
I went to school with only 1 Jennifer* October 24, 2024 at 5:58 pm You’ve got me thinking about restaurants with open kitchens. I’ll bet the cooks don’t love that either. (I know I wouldn’t.)
Watry* October 24, 2024 at 3:32 pm I was in a similar position in my last job (as were all my immediate coworkers). There should be a polite fiction going on here that passersby can’t see whatever face you’re making or the fact you’re eating lunch, other than maybe “mmm, smells good!” from people in the same area. It strikes me as a bit bizarre that people were stopping to ask OP what they were doing when they were stretching, like it’s something abnormal.
juliebulie* October 24, 2024 at 3:36 pm My office went to an open plan, with glass around the few offices that remained. The reason for this was “collaboration” but it’s not collaborative at all. If you want to discuss the project with someone you have to find somewhere to talk that won’t disturb others. (Or, more often, go ahead and disturb others anyway.) They also did away with our individual wastebaskets. So this is really all about saving money (don’t have to pay as many people for time spent emptying all those wastebaskets). They have made it clear that nobody gets to claim exclusive use of any given cubette, so you’re never quite sure where the people you need to talk to are sitting, and there’s nowhere to keep personal effects from day to day. If you use special peripherals (e.g. trackball) then you need to tote them back and forth each day. Everyone hates it. And there’s no reason for it; there’s plenty of room for everyone to come in on the same day. I’m not sure what it will take to convince them to let us return to a normal seating situation. And how I deal with this is that I now work almost exclusively from home. No, actually, I can say it’s totally exclusive because on the rare occasions that I go to the office, I don’t get anything done. If they made me come to work in the office again, that would dramatically lower the bar on what I would consider for a new job. (We have lost a lot of people, so I know I’m not alone!)
Me, working* October 24, 2024 at 10:46 pm This is how my new office is. You have to go in four days a week to get your own desk. Otherwise, you reserve a seat on an app. I’ve eaten lunch completely alone in a massive break room twice now. It seems like such a waste. We’re on a whole floor in a well-known (and I assume expensive!) building, but they’re just paying for it to be empty, I guess.
Pumpkin215* October 25, 2024 at 12:20 pm My office got rid of trashcans too! The reason was “Covid”, but we all know they cheapened out. If you are sick and using tissues, then you are also using the handle to pull out the communal trash bin drawer. Which means everyone else is touching it.
JPalmer* October 24, 2024 at 3:37 pm A mistake I made and regret looking back at the ‘before times’ was to not complain about a snack bowl being located RIGHT next to my desk. Around 1-4 PM, people would wander by in a semi-regular stream after their meetings ending and they considered an afternoon snacks. I’d see a person approach and briefly look at them before categorizing them as “snacker, ignore and don’t lose my focus”. They would then see me look at them and start a conversation, even if I had headphones on or made increasingly direct attempts to indicate I didn’t want to talk. I wish I had asked them to relocate the snacks because it was such a consistent distraction. It’s worth being a squeaky wheel or trying to make adjustments to defend your productivity and perception of yourself. Standard “present it as in the best interest of the business” when you do it. Like I could’ve made a case about ‘The snack bowl being located here disrupts my productivity for multiple hours every day’ But Pandemic and WFH solved that problem.
learnedthehardway* October 24, 2024 at 3:40 pm I worked for a tech company for a while that had an entirely open office – even the CEO and leadership team shared desks. It was supremely weird to do HR and recruitment in public. Every time I had a call from a candidate or an interview, I had to run over to one of the little closed office rooms. It was weird, because there were about 20 of those little rooms that nobody used, but everyone had to sit together. I wore headphones and did everything I could by email, rather than talking to people. I would organize my work so that I’d get my paperwork done at my desk, and then would make calls for an hour or 2 in one of the office cubicles.
Rebecca* October 24, 2024 at 3:43 pm For people who have managed to adjust to visibility – it’s interesting what mental gymnastics you can do to convince yourself of ‘privacy’. I’m a teacher, which means that, by definition, I am always watched when I’m doing my job. I managed to convince my brain that the students in the room didn’t count as having an audience and could get comfortable, but any time any other adult came in the room – a support aid, the secretary bringing permission forms, a parent volunteering – I suddenly felt very watched and my whole demeanor changed. It shouldn’t have been different, but it was!
Former Gremlin Herder* October 24, 2024 at 4:03 pm Former teacher, and same! Having students around didn’t feel like I was being watched, but if there was even one parent volunteer I’d feel so on edge. I actually feel like I had more privacy when teaching than I did in other jobs, but I also had two planning periods and a duty free lunch, which helped a lot.
BigLawEx* October 24, 2024 at 6:50 pm I’ve always wondered about this. Whenever I’ve been to a parents’ day, the teachers talk about being nervous speaking in front of people… I’m all…um, that’s the job, right? Thanks for explaining. Also I *know* there are *those* parents.
TassieTiger* October 24, 2024 at 3:54 pm Pharmacy technician here. It’s so distressing to be in the zoo display where ppl stare while I work. Yesterday I needed to look through a pile of labels to find the order for steroid cream while the patient literally paced back and forth at the counter in front of me. Click click click went her heels. It was wildly stressful.
Former Gremlin Herder* October 24, 2024 at 3:59 pm After leaving education, where I had my own classroom that I could shut the door to during my planning periods, adjusting to a cubicle where my back was to an executive’s office was ROUGH. I constantly felt on edge and anxious that I didn’t look productive. I solved this by finding another job (for many reasons) but in the short term I used headphones/white noise to help feel insulted from people and also took a lot of short walks around the building to get away from it. I also liberally booked conference rooms for certain tasks or meetings. I’m not self conscious around eating, thankfully, otherwise I may have lost my mind.
LabManagerGuy* October 24, 2024 at 4:01 pm OMFG, that workspace sounds like a nightmare to me! My private office is one of the absolute perks of my job, and I’ll always fight for my direct reports to get and keep their own private offices whenever possible. I remember interviewing at a place some time back where the workspaces for people at the level at which I would be hired were some oddly-shaped (like, if a boomerang and a kite had a baby) desks barely big enough for a keyboard and monitor that were joined together side-by-side and facing each other (with no dividers at all) in an open-plan office space. Basically, I would have been working facing directly at one person and all but in the laps of two others. These were not call center or newsroom positions, mind you, but ones for PhD-level research scientists; you know, the kind of career that often attracts introverts with distraction-sensitive ADHD like me? I was not offered the job and was not particularly sorry about it; the wretched office situation, nigh-intolerable though it appeared, was not the worst part about the job.
Late40s* October 24, 2024 at 4:04 pm Honestly what has helped me at my new workplace is that my eyesight has gotten so bad as I age that I have my progressive lenses that I wear for distance and reading and I have computer only glasses for the reading. The computer glasses makes all the distance a blur so when people walk by I can’t tell who they are. The progressive lenses are great for distance but I don’t get a panoramic view from them so the sides are blurry as I walk down the halls, so I get kind of a tunnel view unless I turn my head to look to the side. Benefits of being old.
NobodyHasTimeForThis* October 24, 2024 at 4:08 pm Former coworker had an all glass office on the corner of two high traffic hallways. She started by adding some strategically placed posters and photos but was told she could not have any personal materials on her office windows. Challenge accepted. She went and found every kind of corporate motivational poster, announcement etc and posted it facing outward. Safety protocols, Department of Labor postings, Building map. Anything that was posted in the breakroom went on her windows. Soon people found that since her office was positioned where nearly everyone in the company walked by multiple times a day, they started asking if they could put up announcement for work events, workshops, etc. It took less than 6 months before she was an official posting site for all bulletins. 6 months later her boss noticed that all the flyers made her office look “unprofessional” from the inside and ordered panels that covered her windows up to 6 ft.
GoodNPlenty* October 24, 2024 at 4:11 pm I was assaulted in my youth, grabbed from behind. I’m permanently twitchy about being startled by people walking up behind me. My last two gigs were cube farms that required each employee to sit facing in. I could not get an accommodation. I hung wide angle mirrors on the pseudo wall behind my monitors. It really helped me to see who was approaching. The universal gave me a big fat bonus when Covid required my company to allow us to WFH. I spent my last 2 years in WFH bliss, missing the return to office mandate by 3 weeks. There is no greater feeling than exiting via email. Serenity now!
yirna* October 24, 2024 at 4:22 pm I work in an open-concept office, and while it was an adjustment, all of us have had to make it work. One thing that a lot of people (well, at least those on the ends of the rows) have done is get rolling whiteboards that just happen to also provide a sight-blocking function AND don’t violate the fire prevention guidelines. Prior to the mysterious trend towards whiteboards, we used IKEA leaves (I think they’re meant for cribs), but the fire warden cracked down. I swear, they had to throw out hundreds of IKEA leaves. We’re lucky to have a standardized desktop setup with three monitors, too, so another way to block vision is a conveniently placed monitor.
CubeFarmer* October 24, 2024 at 4:31 pm I worked in a highly visible cube for eight years, and then for the past 17 I’ve been in a high-walled cube (which was nice–because it didn’t seem like my colleagues were on top of me–even though we were all in cubicles.) Now, however, for the first time since the late 1990s, I have my own office. It feels luxurious.
Theninjakiwi* October 24, 2024 at 4:31 pm I currently work at a mall kiosk with no break room and a very distant bathroom, so in order to cope, I’ve invested in earbuds that muffle sounds since the mall can get really loud but still let me hear people talking so i can keep a modicum of my social battery for longer. It still stinks to not have a break room, as I can’t lock my stuff away except in a tiny cabinet but at least I still have my sanity (for now)
Bookworm* October 24, 2024 at 4:32 pm I have always worked in high visibility offices! Through the 90s, I worked in offices with no cubes, just desks together. At the most I’ve had a 4ft high wall. With the cubes, at least I faced inward, not outward.
Frankie* October 24, 2024 at 4:41 pm I WOULD MELT INTO A PUDDLE OF NEUROSES Hats off to you LW for sustaining at that workplace
Nelson* October 24, 2024 at 4:49 pm Our safety policy has an ergonomics section that states an employee should not have their back to a doorway or window since the employee will be startled any time a person comes by. It’s not just you, it’s human nature to avoid being a in position where coworkers approach from behind. It can also be a safety issue for public facing roles in contentious offices (ex: social workers) if people are intending to cause harm to the employee.
grandma Cassie’s lady slippers* October 24, 2024 at 4:51 pm At one job we weren’t allows plants (potential for bugs) and building management wouldn’t allow opaque window film. So I taped a large poster to the window on one side of my office (poster facing me) and I spent $40 on one of those folding privacy screens (like used in bedrooms or studio apartments) in front of the other problem area. Maybe they make those folding screens desktop height?
Quinalla* October 24, 2024 at 4:53 pm Yeah, my pre-COVID in office setup was not as bad as yours (open office, but with at least shortwall cubes so at least we couldn’t all see each other while sitting), but it was bad enough. I didn’t realize how much of my energy was being taken up by tuning people out and being in on-display mode all the time. I dealt with it by basically pretending there were invisible walls around my cubical and acting as normally as possible, but ugh, it was such a HUGE energy drain for me. WFH this is the best thing about it is not having the giant energy drain all day long. Not having to commute is a close second :)
Not Lurking All the Time* October 24, 2024 at 4:53 pm I have a friend in HR and he told me one time that he was very happy with glass-walled offices because the likelihood of an accusation of sexual harassment was significantly lower than with walls. He was looking at it through a pretty specific risk lens, but he said as a man who interacted with many women he didn’t closely work with, he considered it a plus.
Wot, no sugar?* October 24, 2024 at 5:06 pm I would like to murder the creep who initially came up with the idea of cube farms and open work spaces (though I suspect ey’re probably already dead). Nobody can tell me that this work style is conducive to superior productivity.
Strive to Excel* October 24, 2024 at 5:53 pm I work in a very tiny office (there’s 6 of us in the room) with a sort of half cube farm? In that most of us have wall on 3 sides, and then for two of us we’ve got a wall on two sides and are back to back with each other. We definitely don’t have room to put in more walls. Things that help: * Headphones * A culture of “you don’t look at someone’s screen unless you’re asked to” * Everyone having roughly the same information clearance (our HR guy is in a separate, smaller office) * Having our own desks and the flexibility to customize them rather than any sort of hot-desking nonsense But really, having only 6 people in the office helps a lot, because while it’s technically open office it’s quite small.
ADHD brain monster* October 24, 2024 at 5:55 pm I keep muttering and moving my mouth while I think/read/dissociate. I don’t know what to do about it! My best approach is to make sure I have as much political capital as I can by working super hard and trying to make sure I’m warm, friendly, professional. But I’m sure people notice and it wonder if I’m ok. I’m ok but my brain races and I disconnect from where I am. I don’t know another way to work. (A lot of my work is reasonably creative, writing blogs etc.)
BigLawEx* October 24, 2024 at 6:45 pm As a lawyer (I always had an office) I’ve kind of always wondered this. To be frank, I’ve always used the closed door as a way to eat, blow my nose (love spicy food), have private phone conversations, adjust my clothes (bra/underwear), and pass gas…and could not figure out how open office people did any of that without going to the bathroom constantly. It feels 100% like a fishbowl and not conducive to deep work.
PP* October 25, 2024 at 9:41 pm BibLawEx, lawyers working at tech companies very often never have offices… instead think cubicles or even just open offices with large tables. Most of the workplaces never had enough private spaces for people to work (and people worked from the office – especially if you were in Legal and at HQ, the execs wanted the lawyers to be in-office). The best people often got was being seated with other people in Legal, and having Finance and HR people be the other teams on that part of the floor. But any employee could go to any floor. Without private spaces, to work from, even when doing have confidential conversations, some lawyers would go into their cars in the winter (freezing in winter and hot in summer).
CatMouse* October 24, 2024 at 6:51 pm At least at a call center I wasn’t expected to smile all day! We all definitely made faces at our computer a lot and honestly didn’t smile unless something was actually amusing. If I had to be “on” and professional at my drsk, I’d probably look for places to get breaks, bathroom, supply closet, car, etc. Even working retail I wasn’t expected to always be smiling, just to customers!
Steve* October 24, 2024 at 7:47 pm The office environment has always been a nightmare for me – I’m in the events industry so I’m constantly juggling a multitude of projects and the noise generated by those around me is not conducive to getting my work done. At the last place I worked, my desk was about ten feet from a lunchroom where CNN played at TOP VOLUME ALL DAY LONG and I would hear secretaries complain IN THEIR LOUDEST VOICE POSSIBLE about their bosses, leadership (including me) and everything else under the sun. My job is in many ways is very public facing – I’m often asked to make an introduction at an event and am the point of contact for every event I work on (in some jobs, up to 100 in a year, sometimes up to 140) so I want the time I spend at my desk to be time when I can figure out all the logistics, make vendor calls, and so forth…. it’s hard to do that when in the middle of things. If I had my druthers, I’d be sequestered away in a desk space akin to a out of the way space in a library stack. WFH was a godsend btw. I get so much more done when I’m not dealing with all the office stuff. I always find it funny that higher up leadership laughs that “you don’t need an office” as we’re sitting in theirs. Oh, so then you don’t need an office either, do you?
Aerin* October 24, 2024 at 7:56 pm I’m currently on stress/burnout leave from work, and reading this post and the previous post on ND strategies has made me realize just how catastrophic the change in our floorplan was for me. We went from large cubicles to a tiny sliver with half-walls in these pods of desks, and there was no way to navigate the floor that didn’t involve walking behind someone. And did I mention I work in a call center? The sheer level of sensory input would leave me shaking and exhausted most days in the office, and far outweighed the benefits of being in the office. I’m really glad to have made this connection, actually. It’ll help me assertively pursue what I really need when it comes time to go back.
Cabbagepants* October 24, 2024 at 8:04 pm people are making it so much worse by staring, asking what you’re doing, and policing your face! I spend some time on a factory floor and the culture is that you’re there to work. People are friendly if you need anything, but after a brief hello, you get to work on whatever your task is an ignore everyone else. ughhh.
Zippity Doodah* October 24, 2024 at 8:31 pm You’re giving me flashbacks to K-12 :( Cant swing your legs or pick your teeth or unwrap a lozenge without getting stared at. I did much better in college than in high school and I think this is much of why.
Jane* October 24, 2024 at 9:32 pm For years, I used to think I was a terrible employee. Then I was diagnosed with ADHD in my late 30s. Things starting making sense. Then I got a totally remote job. Thing started making LOTS of sense. I can’t imagine going back in-office ever again and would likely apply for ADA accomodations to work from home if I had to.
Dittany* October 24, 2024 at 9:50 pm I used to work in an open-plan office, and I haaaaaaaaated it. The one nice thing about the pandemic was moving to fully remote.
Elizabeth West* October 24, 2024 at 10:21 pm Exjob was like that; A/E office with long tables and numerous workstations across them. Mostly, people just sort of ignored each other the way you do when you’re riding on public transit. The thing that bothered me most was the quiet. I was so used to a more raucous environment, even in OldExJob’s open office setting, that I felt like I had to tiptoe and whisper. I got used to it eventually. I like working from home a lot better now that I nabbed a really nice gaming chair on sale. :)
Hroethvitnir* October 24, 2024 at 10:29 pm Interesting the mention of factories – somehow that’s different, in my mind. Working on a machine in a factory? Fine, unless your bosses are actively being weird about it (active surveillance is being excluded in general here). Working in a lab, which I have the most experience with? Fine. Having people tour the lab with big windows to watch you like zoo animals? Fine, I guess, but can you give me a head’s up? Even retail, when I felt comfortable in my space, wasn’t a big deal. But open office plans? Either fishbowl or just zero effort to break up lines of sight? I would hate, deeply. I’m trying to figure out why, and maybe it’s just my limited experience with offices having cultures that make me feel more surveilled? Also, labs tend to have shelving that makes you feel less exposed. I think most circumstances can be mitigated by a supportive environment, but a cubicle farm minus the cubicles seems stress inducing no matter what – even if that wasn’t correlated with being less likely to be treated with respect.
Chirpy* October 25, 2024 at 2:06 pm I think the difference is that in retail, if things go badly, you aren’t stuck by a desk and can run away. I’ve had customers grab me from behind, and while yes, it’s awful, because I was standing I was able (on some occasions) to reflexively hit back and break the hold. That’s much more difficult if you’re stuck at a desk, where you’re also probably more focused on your work and less on monitoring your surroundings. I also think it’s part of why I have such problems with loud coworkers in the breakroom- I’m stuck in there and have to either deal with them, or lose my break entirely (also, because I do need time to recharge in a “safe” space so I can deal with customers out in the open, and can’t do that if I’m arguing that we don’t need the TV on full blast. )
m4* October 24, 2024 at 10:32 pm privacy screens for your computer!!! like those phone screens, but for a monitor. 3M makes them, or at least they used to. game changer.
AliceInSpreadsheetland* October 25, 2024 at 12:03 am Yeah, I’d hate to be in an open office and it’s a huge reason why I work remote. I struggled with feeling observed all the way back in school too. I did work retail for years though and didn’t find it nearly as draining… I think because it’s easier to fall into ‘customer service persona’ and the tasks were way less mentally stimulating than the work I do now- I could turn my brain off as I folded a stack of jeans, or mentally do my grocery list or review vocabulary from my classes, and as long as I wasn’t looking at my phone or blatantly ignoring customers no one thought I was slacking off. Meanwhile at office work you can’t just vacantly stare at a spreadsheet while choreographing music videos in your head and actually get your work done. I never smiled all the way through a shift, though, I don’t think anyone does that. You smile when customers approach you but it’s not a never-ending stream (most of the time, or at least no one expects you to be grinning while you clean things or restock); your face still gets ‘rest time’. And you of course drop the persona when talking to coworkers and in the break room- I think that’s the biggest difference between retail and office fishbowl, in retail there’s a clear set of people you don’t need to have the ‘work persona’ with and meanwhile at the office it never ends, because you’re always being observed and your coworkers are the people who need to see the persona.
Laskia* October 25, 2024 at 2:13 am So, I’m neurodivergent, and I expected to hate open space office plans… Except it’s actually the opposite for me ! I’ve worked in a small office with 1-2 other people and that kind of proximity drives me nuts, and having my own office makes me feel trapped and suffocated. Weird, right ? Haha. But LW’s office seems just all kinds of awful
Caz* October 25, 2024 at 2:26 am My desk used to be in a section of an office that was intended to be a reception desk. There was a window to one side, a window directly in front of me, a door to the other side, and the desk itself was bolted in place so no other configuration of the space was possible. It was awful! So, so awful! I did have the option of having my lunch in another area – which I always did – and thankfully did not have a boss telling me to smile all the time (!!!) but I did occasionally have to put the fire shutter down over the front window to give myself another “wall” and a touch of privacy. The other section of the office was eventually reconfigured to give space for another desk and I was SO happy on the day I got to move back there.
attempting* October 25, 2024 at 2:49 am I mask all the time at work, so although you can somewhat tell my expression from my eyes… you can’t actually tell whether I’m smiling. It makes me way less self conscious about my expression (glass door) and as a bonus protects me during the ongoing pandemic!
Lara* October 25, 2024 at 3:11 am I had this. I never got used to it and it caused me extreme anxiety, right up until I left. Remote working has much to recommend itself.
bookstore blues* October 25, 2024 at 3:20 am My first job was a college bookstore— worked there for almost five years before the weirdest clique drama ever drove me away, but that’s another story. The store was contained in the first college building, with a big glass storefront wall which a hallway ran past. Right next to the coffee shop, too, so it was a busy thoroughfare. Felt like a zoo animal at the front counter.
londonedit* October 25, 2024 at 3:37 am I’ve never worked in an office where anyone except the proper high-up people had their own offices, and I’ve never worked in an office with cubicles either (I associate those with American TV shows mainly). Most of the workplaces I’ve been in have taken the form of older buildings with various rooms, and you have one or two teams sitting in each room. Open-plan desks but maybe 8-10 people in a room. I also worked for one company that was so tiny we all just sat in one big room together, and for a huge company where we had a floor of a modern office building. But still, everyone just has a desk, not a cubicle or anything like that. I suppose because it’s how I’ve always worked, I’ve never really thought about feeling exposed! It’s just…working in an office. You could maybe get a privacy screen for your computer, if you’re worried about people nosing into what’s on your screen, but otherwise I’m not sure anyone is really thinking about what you’re doing at any given moment!
Michelle* October 25, 2024 at 6:45 am LW1: my husband and I both feel awkward when we don’t remember each other’s stories. One thing that helps me is when I summarize what I DO remember “oh right, that guy you haven’t talked to since?” and let them fill in the relevant details. Husband and I don’t expect each other to remember – we’re more just introducing the topic again and groping for a place to start. Another option: “Yeah I remember talking about that, refresh my memory?” Give coworker a jumping-off point for their follow-ups; that’s probably all they’re looking for.
Mgguy* October 25, 2024 at 7:10 am At my work, private offices are the norm, but there’s one particular office that’s notorious for this. It’s actually quite a large office, but is “V” shaped between where two hallways branch, and almost feels like the designers just had a bunch of empty space and made an office out of it. There’s nothing wrong with that in and of itself-I had an office like that once and it can give you a pleasantly large amount of space. This particular one, though, for reasons unknown to anyone, is windowed all the way around so it is very much a fishbowl office. To add context, too, this is at a college. One wing of the building faces an isolated hallway of faculty offices, but the other side is easily one of the highest traffic indoor spots on campus(lots of classrooms, the tutoring services, and a busy food service location). The fishbowl office is occupied by our division assistant, who basically makes our department and a bunch of other departments function. The previous occupant had held the position for 30 years, and had been in that office since the building was built in 2002. I think she’d just gotten use to it, but had privacy films on her computer screens and them turned in such a way that you couldn’t see them unless you were at her desk. After the previous person retired a few years ago, the new one had blinds installed on all the windows on the busy hallway. She usually has them cracked just enough that you can see if she’s in there or not, but not enough to feel like she’s on display for everyone to see.
amoeba* October 25, 2024 at 9:14 am We do have an open office space that I actually really like, but pretty sure I’d also hate what’s described in the letter – not all open offices are equal, for sure! Ours works because: – It’s open, but there’s a lot of visual “dividers” like large plants etc. that limit visibility. Also, the desks are arranged in little groups, with “islands” of four and the next one back-to-back with that. With the large screens, you also don’t see that much of the person opposite. Generally, it’s of course not private, but you also don’t feel like you’re constantly on display! – Because a lot of us tend to be away from their desks at any given time (in the lab, in meetings, in HO…), the room is never full, anyway – there’s typically between 2 and max maybe 10 people in our part of the office at the same time. – this is important – everybody just does their own thing and mostly ignores the people around. Unless we have a chat or something, we don’t literally ignore each other, but we also don’t comment on whatever a colleague is doing at any given moment and most definitely not on their facial expression! (Like, seriously, WTF?) – We are pretty considerate with noise level, etc – if we have to talk a lot in a call, we take it in a think tank, if we have a chat, we keep our voices down or go to the break room (which we have! And a canteen as well!), etc. – We all know each other well and are pretty comfortable with each other, so no strangers watching you at any time. – We’re in the far corner of the building, so it’s really mostly just us – the people located next to the kitchen certainly get a lot more traffic!
Fish* October 25, 2024 at 9:38 am I currently work in an office that has three windows from the main office space/reception that look directly at my back. Anyone who walks in can see what I am doing and what I have on my screens. There is no other way for me to rearrange my space. I’m stuck with it. So I am always “on.” So me changing music stations in my cell phone is visible, looking up headlines during lunch (I have to eat lunch at my desk as well), etc. Most simple innocuous actions most workers take are on display and then noted by toxic individuals. I ignore most people, after all my back is to them. My door stays closed and I can ignore most noise. They one time I had someone say something about my phone time, I showed them what I was doing – research on social media for a regulatory document – and the issue was dropped.
Miss Kitty* October 25, 2024 at 10:22 am I have an interior office window currently. We bought some cheap rolls of window film off Amazon that gives the windows a lightly frosted affect. Several jobs ago I was in cube with only 2 dividers in the middle of a warehouse-sized open floor plan office. I wasn’t paid super great but I made an intentional investment in fake foliage and built myself a wall of greenery.
anon for this* October 25, 2024 at 12:13 pm Having an accommodation for PTSD helps. I would literally not be able to work in an open environment.
Pumpkin215* October 25, 2024 at 12:14 pm Back when I was job hunting, if it was hybrid and I was close to an offer, I would ask to see the working space. I absolutely refuse to sit in an open office. Nope, nope, nope. That was an immediate “no thank you” for me. Recruiters told me they heard that a lot. I once ended an interview before it started when I saw everyone was siting at rows of tables. Like a gigantic lunchroom. “Is that the workspace?” I asked. Yes, it was. Thank you, goodbye!
shrambo* October 25, 2024 at 1:18 pm I’ve worked in a cubicle office, and now I work in an open plan office, and I can honestly say I like the open plan office much more. It’s way less isolating to be able to see other people around me. It works because we are a quiet, technically-oriented office of introverts who spend 70% of their time working in silence not noticing each other. The office provides noise-canceling headphones for everyone, so taking Zoom meetings/ignoring the meetings around you is pretty easy. When someone needs to make a sensitive or difficult phone call, they either go into the conference room and close the door, or walk outside into the hallway. But otherwise, I like being able to idly eavesdrop on work conversations and pick up behavioral tips.
Catherine UK* October 25, 2024 at 3:16 pm I think here in the UK, open plan offices seem to be the norm and certainly more common than ‘cubicle’ offices which seem to be an American thing. I’ve never encountered any problems with people trying to look at my monitors, and the HR and payroll teams use privacy screens on their monitors. It’s annoying when you call a company and can hear lots of people in the background, though!
Angel S.* October 26, 2024 at 11:26 am Two situations! At my previous job our new manager decided that our supervisor’s office and our adjoining shared office should have a window, “to make things easier”! It had sliding doors and blinds, but said window always remained open. At first, anyone going in to the supervisor’s office would stand at the window and ” order food”! The joke started getting stale! I was once called into her office to discuss a serious matter and my coworker noticed how upset I was!!! She’s my friend to this day, so she gets a pass. Oh, and we were right across Medical Records, so there was often a lot of staff waiting in line, so guess where they went to! At my current job, my former coworker ordered a standing desk and decided to face my cubicle! The upper part of the partition is glass. The only time we made eye contact was when I walked in, but if I had to get anything from the file cabinet against her wall I had to face her directly. I got one of those giant Post It or flip it boards and leaned it against the wall, with some kind of intake schedule I didn’t need. It looked tacky, but it helped!
Justareader* October 26, 2024 at 4:39 pm I used to work in an office where my cubicle was more “open”: it had 3 walls (sort of U shaped), with a direct path to a side entrance. I disliked the high visibility of it at first, especially since my desk was exactly aligned to the path of anyone entering and exiting that side entrance. It was just my luck, however , that being so exposed led to me meeting my now partner and father of my children! He is an electrician, and walked in one day to fix a light right above my desk. I think, had my cubicle been less exposed and more enclosed, I would never have started a conversation with this random man, but being so out in the open forced me to come out of my shell !
Lilac* October 26, 2024 at 10:00 pm I was recently diagnosed with ADHD (already had an autism diagnosis). In one workplace I actually couldn’t function because of how there was no separation between public services and office spaces. Between the sensory overload of everyone around me talking, the pressure to be always “on”, and my bosses essentially shaming me for asking if I could knit to self regulate, my mental health and cognitive functioning was at an all time low. I lasted three months before I resigned. I’ll be job searching at some point next year and one thing that I’ll ask at interviews, or if the disability accommodations team reaches out is to see the physical space in which people work. Because there is no adjusting for me, I either need to get given a suitable set up with some privacy or I can’t work there.