the worst boss of 2024 is… by Alison Green on December 16, 2024 The final votes are in, and the mother-in-law who manages the sister-in-law and covers up her drunk driving won the Worst Boss of 2024 Award, with 56% of the vote in the final match-up. Coming in second, the boss who was a jerk about bereavement leave for miscarriages, captured 44% of the vote. The runners-up, who all managed to be pretty terrible themselves: my boss says my work is bad, but it’s actually good my boss is having an affair with a coworker who’s engaged to another coworker my boss lets my coworker stab office furniture with a knife my boss jokes about our bodies, our sex lives, and our pregnancies employer made us take fake lie detector tests to trap a stealing receptionist my boss said I looked “unprofessional” when I wore a binder to work Congratulations, you all suck! You may also like:the worst boss of 2023 is…the worst boss of 2022 is…the worst boss of 2020 is... { 78 comments }
ferrina* December 16, 2024 at 10:18 am Ooh, I’d love an end-of-year round up with Hero Bosses/Coworkers. That would be a great read! Reply ↓
JustKnope* December 16, 2024 at 12:46 pm Allison has addressed this previously. I believe her rationale is that we don’t have all of the context of a boss outside of the letter information, so heaping praise on someone might not be the best thing to do. Personally I think a category where we’re praising one specific action from a boss might be nice but it doesn’t sound like Allison thinks it’s something she wants to pursue! Reply ↓
WellRed* December 16, 2024 at 12:53 pm Look at all the letters from people who say their boss is great and then come back and update with “yeah, I’ve changed my mind and seen the light on my boss who actually is horrible.” Reply ↓
fhqwhgads* December 16, 2024 at 1:34 pm Well, plus, people don’t often write in to work advice columns about good bosses. Reply ↓
Asked and Answered* December 16, 2024 at 12:55 pm AAM has repeatedly said that she doesn’t support a Best Boss competition because what we learn about on the site is too narrow for her to feel comfortable endorsing someone as “best” given all the other bad things they could be doing. You might make the argument that the same should apply to “worst” but I believe the logic is that some actions are bad enough to make a given boss “the worst” all on their own. As well, she’s been trying to do less work on the site – not more so I doubt she wants to add yet another task to her list of things to do. Reply ↓
JustaTech* December 16, 2024 at 1:01 pm Maybe if folks want to call out specific actions that their coworkers or bosses took, that would be a fun thing for the Friday open thread? Not just “Jane is nice” but things like “Jane saw that this inefficient system was making everyone miserable so she spent her personal capital to get the system fixed” or something. I’d love to read about ways we’ve lifted each other up at work. Reply ↓
Three Flowers* December 16, 2024 at 10:04 am I really, really do not understand how the boss who let somebody stab things all the time was not at least a finalist. Reply ↓
Stella70* December 16, 2024 at 10:10 am I’m with you! The MIL one, to me, seemed a bit run-of-the-mill in terms of someone managing a relative and then, refusing to correct bad behavior. Maybe my bar for bad managers is a bit too high! :) Reply ↓
WantonSeedStitch* December 16, 2024 at 10:17 am I think it’s because she enabled not just “bad behavior,” but “reckless, innocent-life-endangering behavior.” Reply ↓
ferrina* December 16, 2024 at 10:19 am Yeah, that made a difference for me. There’s bad behavior, there’s psychologically damaging behavior, then there’s This Is Likely To Kill Someone. Reply ↓
Lightbulb* December 16, 2024 at 11:36 am That is what did it for me too. They were all awful! Reply ↓
WillowSunstar* December 16, 2024 at 11:04 am Yeah, I voted for her as worst because someone could actually possibly wind up in the emergency room or even worse as a result of the behavior. Reply ↓
Guacamole Bob* December 16, 2024 at 10:18 am Yeah, the stakes are really high and I imagine that’s how it won, but family members who are unable to hold firm boundaries around family members with addictions and enable or turn a blind eye to their bad behavior are quite common. Supervising such a family member in a work context does make it worse, but it still feels sad to me. With some of the other contestants it’s easier to be flabbergasted by straight-up jerk behavior that has no difficult emotional roots. Reply ↓
JustaTech* December 16, 2024 at 1:05 pm I think the sadness of it is part of why it felt like a “worst boss” to me – maybe the daughter could have gotten some help (or at least a wakeup call) if she’d had a different manager who had been able to respond without the family feelings. Like, the mom could have asked to not manage her daughter, or the company could have had a (very normal) policy that you can’t manage immediate family members. So there were organizational failures as well (not to mention that the LW feared losing her job for reporting the daughter, I guess as retaliation?) as just the one manager. Reply ↓
J. random person* December 16, 2024 at 10:20 am I think it was the combination of that plus physically endangering random strangers by covering up DUI. Like if the nepotism was only letting her get away with being a slacker and a jerk, then it would have just been run of the mill. I had a hard time choosing this year because, overall, none of them seemed like they were up to (or down to) the standards of previous years. Yes, they’re all horrible, but no competition at all for donate your liver boss or grave note boss. I guess that’s good, right? Reply ↓
Thegreatprevaricator* December 16, 2024 at 11:16 am Yes I felt that while bad, none of these were outrageously, egregiously bad. Which.. is good? :D Reply ↓
Three Flowers* December 16, 2024 at 10:48 am I actually do think the MIL one was worst, and also that the miscarriage bereavement leave one really hit hard for the audience. That guy was awful but to me, the awfulness directly affects a much smaller number of people than a whole team that goes through every day wondering if Knife Boy is going to run amok if they turn their backs. Reply ↓
Czhorat* December 16, 2024 at 10:57 am I honestly don’t think it was as bad; it was bad and unsettling, but it is SO dependent on the situation whether it felt like an implied threat or was just weirdly acceptable random damage to office furniture. I get needing your hands occupied, but I carry a begleri, a contact coin, and a knuckle roller to fidget with. That seems more work-friendly than a knife. Reply ↓
Three Flowers* December 16, 2024 at 11:01 am There are no circumstances in which *stabbing things with a knife in the office* is acceptable quirky behavior. I say this as someone who often carries a pocketknife and has worked in places where doing things with knives to keep your hands busy (e.g., carving wooden spoons) was totally reasonable. But there is no lab or office in the world where stabbing the upholstery and nicking the countertops is cool, especially if it disturbs everyone else’s sense of safety. That dude should have gotten one warning and then an escort to his car on the second offense. Reply ↓
Czhorat* December 16, 2024 at 11:04 am Oh, I don’t disagree at all. it’s a sign of how unhinged the behavior of the other managers are that “lets an employee slice up the office furniture” isn’t the worst management we’ve seen here. It is clearly bad. Reply ↓
Small mind* December 16, 2024 at 11:49 am you’ve got to be kidding me. stabbing furniture is not the same as a person using a fidget friendly item. the knife behaviour is aggressive/deranged and not even appropriate to do one time. someone should be leading out the front door and turning the locks. Reply ↓
Phony Genius* December 16, 2024 at 10:59 am It lost in the semifinals by 5 votes to the bereavement leave one. Reply ↓
Learn ALL the things* December 16, 2024 at 11:20 am I don’t understand how the bereavement one got so far, since the update said they did, in fact, start offering bereavement for miscarriages. It was bad, but it got fixed in the end which is more than I can say for most of the other options. Reply ↓
Observer* December 16, 2024 at 11:37 am It was bad, but it got fixed in the end which is more than I can say for most of the other options Yes, but the Boss did not change her opinion or attitude. She was forced to back down, by people with enough clout to make it happen. Which is why I’m expecting an update where this boss now manages to either make it impossible to actually take the leave or punishes any woman who has the audacity to actually take such leave. Reply ↓
Phony Genius* December 16, 2024 at 11:42 am And her opinion was in direct conflict with the organization’s mission. Reply ↓
Ann O'Nemity* December 16, 2024 at 12:58 pm Yep, the boss was basically forced by the group of senior leaders to change the policy. Also if you read the update, the LW gives more details about how the boss doesn’t like anyone’s ideas that conflict with their own, and the LW keeps their mouth shut out of fear of being ostracized. So I’m not sure the update did much to redeem that boss. Reply ↓
Magdalena* December 16, 2024 at 11:45 am It “got fixed” despite the boss, who was overruled. I voted for that one because their comments in the vein of “how do we even DEFINE miscarriage” and “what if someone LIES” were so egregious. Reply ↓
Fluffy Fish* December 16, 2024 at 11:46 am I was very very sympathetic to the miscarriage letter, but ultimately my votes went to ones where the threat of injury or death to others was an outcome. Which in my mind stabbing inanimate objects in the office absolutely could have escalated to actual violence. Reply ↓
North American Couch Wizard Society member* December 16, 2024 at 12:38 pm I voted for “stab things” guy because I actually think there’s a reasonable argument to make that a miscarriage would be better covered with sick time, especially if the organization’s bereavement leave policy otherwise requires the requester to produce a death certificate or obit. The boss was awful about it, of course, which is why people voted for them, but I think letting your employees be on edge all the time because someone is using a knife instead of a fidget spinner is worse management behavior. But the people spoke. Reply ↓
Strive to Excel* December 16, 2024 at 12:00 pm I think it was the lack of presence of the boss in the write-in at all (from what I recall from reading it); having someone *stab office furniture* is not OK, but there’s not a good way to tell if the boss approves/is remote and doesn’t see the looniness/has been dealing with serious illness/has had bigger problems to deal with/really doesn’t care until the ER has to get called. I think having that info would have swayed it more one way or another. Reply ↓
Artemesia* December 16, 2024 at 12:15 pm Me either. Someone making violent motions in the workplace and not being stopped makes the entire workplace terrifying. I walk in urban cities downtown at night; I am not timid. I would be very anxious working with someone allowed to stab furniture with a knife. This seems much worse than bereavement policy. Reply ↓
Raindear* December 16, 2024 at 1:35 pm Probably because that boss is entirely absent from the letter so we don’t actually know anything about what they knew or what they were doing, and they were not committing any actual acts of awfulness themself. Reply ↓
fhqwhgads* December 16, 2024 at 1:35 pm I think it boiled down to cars can more easily and quickly kill a lot of people than knives. Reply ↓
Nelalvai* December 16, 2024 at 10:09 am It’s hard to beat a nepotism and life-endangerment combo. Reply ↓
Crystal Claire* December 16, 2024 at 10:11 am Now I’m curious if the OP of the worst boss of this year will send an update now. Reply ↓
Abogado Avocado* December 16, 2024 at 10:23 am I can only hope that these bosses learn who they are! Reply ↓
JustaTech* December 16, 2024 at 1:08 pm Honestly I’d rather that they just learn the error of their ways and improve as people. (If they learned they were here, ugh, several of them seem like the type who’d go scorched-earth trying to find the letter writer.) Hopefully each of them will be visited by three ghosts and come into the new year as changed people. Reply ↓
juliebulie* December 16, 2024 at 10:27 am “Congratulations, you all suck!” I love this site. I do wish there had been an update on the stabby guy, though. Talk about your missing stairs. Reply ↓
Hlao-roo* December 16, 2024 at 10:41 am There’s hope for an update! Stabby guy letter was published in May 2024 and three commenters asked for an update on the October call-for-updates post, so fingers crossed that letter writer responded to the update request. We’re only about halfway through update month so far. Reply ↓
Mike Engle* December 16, 2024 at 10:36 am How is the knockout bracket made? Does Alison subjectively rank them in her head so it’s 1v8; 2v7; 3v6; 4v5? Or is it random? Reply ↓
Ann O'Nemity* December 16, 2024 at 10:45 am Eh, I disagree with this year’s “winner.” Many of the other cases (e.g., the joke-about-bodies boss, fake lie detector boss) involve direct harassment, discrimination, or extreme unethical behavior, which arguably have a broader or more immediate negative impact on employees. The MIL isn’t demonstrating good leadership, but who knows what’s happening behind the scenes. I would hope she’s looping in HR and providing resources, which likely wouldn’t be public knowledge. If anything, I think the daughter, who is also a supervisor, is the worst boss for driving and working drunk! Reply ↓
Testing* December 16, 2024 at 10:53 am It was a vote, and a tight one. Clearly many people disagreed, but most didn’t. (Insert your own joke about elections here.) Reply ↓
Czhorat* December 16, 2024 at 10:54 am I wholly agree; they were all terrible but my bias is towards more systemic issues, particularly involving racism or sexism. I thought the bereavement for miscarriages boss was worse than this as well as the sexist creep with the binder (that was my top choice). I think we can agree that these are all terrible Reply ↓
Limmy* December 16, 2024 at 11:17 am The winner is one of the only nominees who is directly responded for putting lives in danger. This comment section for some reason loves to play devil’s advocate when it comes to people committing actual crimes (the woman Zooming while driving; the person who locked a baby in a hot car for hours; the LW who hated attractive women to the point of stalking a random woman so seriously they wound up on criminal charges; the man convicted of CSA who was romantically pursuing single mothers of young children) – it’s nice to know that the commenters willing to bend over backwards to defend serious crimes that inflict real harm on others do not represent the majority of readers. Reply ↓
Hlao-roo* December 16, 2024 at 11:56 am the LW who hated attractive women to the point of stalking a random woman so seriously they wound up on criminal charges Which letter was this? The only two letters I remember/could find that are remotely similar are “I’m jealous of my employee and it’s impacting how I treat her” from Feb. 2017 and “my new hire is too attractive for me to manage her” from April 2021 but neither of them involved stalking or criminal charges. (I do remember reading the other letters you mention.) Reply ↓
Ann O'Nemity* December 16, 2024 at 1:19 pm I respect your passion for this topic, but I feel the tone of your comment makes it harder to have a constructive discussion. My intention wasn’t to defend harmful actions but to discuss the context of the ‘worst boss’ debate. I think we can agree that the mother’s actions (or inaction) had serious potential consequences and were irresponsible. And actually, the person directly responsible for putting lives in danger is the drunk driving daughter. Reply ↓
Emergency Pants* December 16, 2024 at 1:24 pm PLEASE please link the “LW is a criminally charged stalker” letter! Also I think the vote says that the commenters (or at least the voting commenters) do think serious crime = very bad boss. Realistically, most blog readers aren’t going to comment “yay the worst boss won” because it doesn’t add to the conversation. However, folks who support a different perspective have more reasons to share their opinions. Reply ↓
Observer* December 16, 2024 at 11:40 am The MIL isn’t demonstrating good leadership, but who knows what’s happening behind the scenes. I would hope she’s looping in HR and providing resources, which likely wouldn’t be public knowledge. No, this is not “let’s go through a process” territory, to start with. Furthermore, she has actively enabled the behavior and *hidden* it even when it directly and immediately affected others. That’s not the behavior of someone who is even making a show of trying to reign in bad behavior. Reply ↓
Leenie* December 16, 2024 at 11:42 am My personal vote for worst would have gone to the lie detector one. It certainly didn’t have the worst overall impact, but the amount of effort and that went into that one made it next level for me. It was the creativity of the awfulness. Reply ↓
Ann O'Nemity* December 16, 2024 at 1:02 pm “Creativity of the awfulness” – absolutely! Also, I feel bad for the employees who were so nervous about it! IIRC someone got sick and vomited due to stress. Reply ↓
Over Analyst* December 16, 2024 at 12:29 pm Yeah, I think this is one of the worst PEOPLE of the year but not necessarily the worst boss. She’s putting people’s lives in danger but not as directly contributing to as terrible a work environment as others. I would’ve picked one who made the employees’ lives more miserable even if it wasn’t as life or death as covering up drunk driving. Reply ↓
Galvanic* December 16, 2024 at 10:47 am Folks, there are no losers in this competition! They’re all win…actually, no, they’re all big losers. Reply ↓
saskia* December 16, 2024 at 10:59 am Was there an update to “my boss says my work is bad, but it’s actually good”? Curious… I feel for that OP. Reply ↓
Drought* December 16, 2024 at 11:05 am Shook not to see Sally on here. Who tries to give an employee they no longer manage a PIP! And she tried to trick Tina’s current boss into approving it. Way worse then the lie detector boss in my book. Reply ↓
I should really pick a name* December 16, 2024 at 11:11 am Not sure what letter you’re referring to, but that sounds like someone trying to do something that would never actually work out. I think all the letters ranked here are are about managers taking actions that could actually successfully cause harm. Reply ↓
Little Sebastian* December 16, 2024 at 11:19 am Here you go! It actually worked out unsettlingly well. https://www.askamanager.org/2024/02/an-employee-is-out-to-get-my-star-performer-and-no-one-else-cares.html Reply ↓
Cynan* December 16, 2024 at 11:30 am Yikes, there’s like four different candidates for worst boss in that letter – the terrible coworker’s boss who enables him, the star employee’s former boss who tries to put her former employee on a PIP and sabotage her review, the boss’s boss who thinks it’s okay to “compromise” with said former manager, and the VP who thinks the whole situation is bad but he shouldn’t intervene. Just a turducken of terrible management. Reply ↓
Sherry Berry* December 16, 2024 at 11:56 am Five! If you count LW essentially saying, “thank god Tina and ~her drama~ is no longer on my team, oh btw she might be being cyber stalked but no one is going to do anything about it,” in the update letter. I do. Reply ↓
Observer* December 16, 2024 at 12:01 pm That’s not really fair. The LW on that one was explicit that they were relieved that Tina had gotten a raise and was working with a team that respected her. There are some real issues with that LW, but this was not one of them. Reply ↓
Cinn* December 16, 2024 at 12:16 pm I wonder if it was the possibility of the LW also being included as part of the problem that prevented it’s inclusion? Like erring on the side of caution. I think the rule is not to include letters where the boss themselves wrote in. Reply ↓
fhqwhgads* December 16, 2024 at 1:39 pm LWs are not eligible. Otherwise they’d not write in for fear of being deemed “the worst”. Reply ↓
Little Sebastian* December 16, 2024 at 11:18 am Man, poor Tina. She got no support from any direction. Reply ↓
Carol the happy* December 16, 2024 at 11:08 am My son watches this site and sends coworkers to it when he thinks they need help, or validation (or a good, bright mirror….) He calls this contest “Mapping the Suck-iverse” Reply ↓
Tech writer by day* December 16, 2024 at 11:16 am Today’s (old) letter about a person planning to gift red lingerie to a coworker makes me think we also need a “Worst Coworker of the Year” contest. Reply ↓
Pizza Rat* December 16, 2024 at 12:42 pm I think cat-hating Joan would sweep the election there. Reply ↓