I accidentally peed on a fabric chair at work, why have policies that aren’t enforced, and more by Alison Green on February 3, 2025 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. I accidentally peed on a fabric chair at work I’m close to tears writing this. I was drinking some water at my desk and some of it went down the wrong tube, which led to a coughing fit. I coughed so hard that I peed. This is the first time this has ever happened and I’m mortified. Worse still, it happed on a specially ordered orthopedic chair with a cloth seat. And yes, the urine soak through. What do I do?!? I’m afraid if I tell my manger they’ll be horrified and wonder how I could possibly be incontinent. I don’t want to be the coworker who peed on the chair. Will I totally ruin my professional image? As much as I just want to not tell anyone I don’t think the chair is salvageable and it stinks of urine now. Someone is bound to notice. Do I have to change my name and live life as a hermit? Help! You do not have to change your name and live as a hermit! You are a normal human with a normal human body, and normal human bodies sometimes do weird things. You are far from the only person who has had this happen. (Here are some other letters with similar stories if it helps!) Anyone who would hold this against you is a jerk; most people will just be sympathetic. (In fact, it’s entirely possible your manager or whoever you end up talking to about it will have had something similar happen to themselves at some point.) Talk to the person who’s in charge of ordering furniture and say this: “I had a medical incident that unfortunately ruined the cloth seat of my chair, and I need to order a new one. What’s the process for doing that?” 2. Why have policies that aren’t enforced? Having seen this in real life and reading about it frequently in your column, I’m curious: from a manager’s point of view, what’s the purpose of policies that aren’t enforced and when there’s no intent to enforce them? Why have these policies at all? Obviously sometimes policies are made at a high level that’s detached from everyday operations, and managers don’t care about them, and no one will really notice they’re not enforced. But in situations where managers do have meaningful authority, what’s this all about? This could be dress codes, WFH vs working in the office, timeliness or absenteeism, or any kinds of procedures — situations where there’s a definite rule, something a manager says must or must not be done, but they openly ignore when the rules aren’t followed or refuse to enforce them. Affected underlings sometimes have cynical interpretations of what’s going on here, but I’m curious what the people with authority think they’re doing. There’s a bunch of explanations. Sometimes the policy was made by someone other than the manager and they don’t agree with it, or don’t think it’s a big enough deal to enforce (and may think it’s counter to more important goals, like treating good employees well). Sometimes the policy sounded right when it was made but has turned out not to be a big enough deal for anyone to bother enforcing it, and no one has gone back to revisit it. Sometimes they really should be enforcing it, but the manager is too wimpy or too negligent (those are the same thing, really) to do it. Sometimes the policy wasn’t thought out well enough and so it doesn’t contain the nuance that the manager has in their head — for example, a manager might think “I need people to do X except in situations Y or Z” but they don’t bother to call out Y or Z as exceptions in the policy, so it looks like the policy is just going unenforced (or worse, being inconsistently enforced), whereas if they’d written the policy better their intent would have been clear. And sometimes there’s more of a cumulative aspect to it — if you break the policy once or twice, it’s not a big deal, but if you’re breaking it all the time it’ll be more of a problem and worth addressing. Related: how strictly should managers enforce company policies? 3. My manager’s brain injury is causing problems on our team My supervisor had a traumatic brain injury 11 months ago (workman’s comp). She has gotten treatment (sort of); she is very religious and delayed treatment based on her religious beliefs. After nearly a year, she is still out a lot, has memory issues, is late, is irritable, works remotely a lot, and has accommodations that — at least to our staff — are mysterious and undefined. Early on I stepped up, worked extra, helped out and went the extra mile. We had been friends before working together. Then about six months ago, she bit my head off, told me I had overstepped, and told me to stay in my lane. Fine — I went back to working my actual job and minding my own business. But she is clearly not okay. Now she flip flops between “I feel like we are estranged friends” and asking weird things like wanting to give me her password for a software program, which is strictly prohibited by institution policy. I am at my wits’ end. This is above your pay grade to solve! Please talk to HR about what’s going on. Not to get your manager in trouble, but because these are problems that you can’t handle on your own, and someone above you needs to know what’s going on so they can step in and help (which could include coming up with more effective accommodations, connecting her with different support, changing the way your team is managed, or all sorts of other things). 4. Technology stipend purchases — my property or the company’s? Two years ago I accepted a job that advertised, under the “Compensation and Perks” section of the job posting and official job description, a $1,500 technology stipend. In our negotiation emails, the owner of the firm said that the salary offer plus my professional development budget plus this technology budget “pushes you over (desired salary) for the year, with lots of room for upward mobility. Plus when you earn X certification, you’ll be eligible for a $5,000 raise.” I assumed — based on this correspondence and my spouse’s previous experiences with technology stipends — that I would have a budget of $1,500 to spend on whatever I wanted for tech for my home office, and that it would be mine to keep. There was no mention of returning the purchases at any point. And I did spend it on whatever I wanted (no instructions or guidance provided by the employer), which was a laptop, monitor, ergonomic keyboard and mouse, and some other smaller things specific to my home office. I submitted receipts for reimbursement. Fast forward to last month, when I gave notice. The owner of the firm was very upset. He said many inappropriate and rude things to me, but what he did not say then, during my exit interview, or on my last day, was anything at all about returning the items I’d purchased two years earlier with this stipend. And I didn’t think anything of it, because I was under the impression that this stipend had been compensation. My final paycheck had an error in it that shorted me about $150. It was a mistake due to negligence, not anything malicious, so after trying to resolve it with the payroll company directly, I reached out to my former employer because apparently only he can remedy the mistake. A month later, I checked back in to ask if he’d seen my email, and he replied quickly to say that he wants me to mail him my laptop and monitor, and then once he receives it he’ll Venmo me (?!) the mistakenly withheld wages plus the shipping costs. I don’t even know how to reply. It seems retaliatory for him to be asking for this now (why didn’t he mention it literally at any point earlier?) and it doesn’t match my understanding of the stipend’s terms (which of course aren’t written down anywhere). Not to mention that Venmo’ing me seems like a weird thing to do — the $150 is supposed to be taxable income. What do you think? Is it worth even pointing out to him that he’d offered the stipend to me as part of my compensation package? Would it be egregious to tell him that I’m unwilling to handle the packaging and front the postage costs myself, but if he sends me packaging with prepaid labels I’ll send the items back? Some companies with technology stipends do require the items to be returned when you leave, but they clearly spell that out so you know. I suspect that is not how your manager intended it since if the plan was for you to return the items all along, it wouldn’t have made any sense to include it in “pushing your salary over $X” (just like you don’t include the cost of other work-provided equipment in your salary calculations). Plus he didn’t say anything about returning it until you asked him to remedy the payroll error and when he was already upset about you leaving. You could reply to him, “My understanding from our negotiations when I was hired was that the stipend was part of my compensation, and there was no discussion of those items being returned. If you documented something different, I am happy to take a look at it (although would then ask that you prepay for the shipping back so that I’m not covering that myself). Meanwhile, for the payroll error, I don’t think we can Venmo it — it needs to be through payroll so that taxes are taken out correctly and so the state has a record of it. Thanks for handling it, I appreciate it.” You might also look up your state’s law on final pay and when it’s due and what the penalties are if it’s late, just so you have that in your pocket if you need it. (Google the of your state and “final paycheck law” with no quotes.) 5. What state do I file for unemployment in? Federal employee here. I live in State A and work in State B. If/when the axe falls, do I apply for unemployment benefits in State A, State B, or (for whatever reason) Washington, D.C.? You apply for unemployment in the state you worked in. You may also like:I wet my pants at my new jobnew hire keeps kneeling in front of meafter I asked for a raise, my boss told me I buy too much coffee { 23 comments }
Christina* February 3, 2025 at 12:24 am LW#1: I know it’s hard to believe this now, but it will be okay! Years ago, my first week on the job when I was still training, my workplace had a blood drive. I had never given blood before but I was eager to help and to also be a team player so on my lunch break I went and donated blood in the van in the parking lot. Unfortunately, my blood pressure dropped too rapidly, I started going into shock (technically vasovagal reaction, but similar symptoms) and convulsing, and the next thing I remember is waking up on the ground having pissed my pants. I had taken the bus to work so I couldn’t even just leave. I had to call my roommate to bring clean clothes to me at work and just hid in the bathroom with piss pants until they got there. My co-workers were absolutely nothing but sympathetic and not a single person ever teased me about it or made me feel bad about it in any way, and I worked there two more years before moving on. Biological events happen! We’re humans with human bodies! Your employer will understand that. Solidarity! Reply ↓
Heidi* February 3, 2025 at 12:38 am I agree with this. When LW’s are predicting these terrible outcomes, like “people will be horrified and judge me forever for this,” I always wonder, “Is that what you would do if it were happening to someone else?” I’m guessing not. If this helps at all, my sister’s water broke while she was sitting in her office chair. They replaced it and no one said anything. Reply ↓
Ellie* February 3, 2025 at 1:09 am My breast leaked while I was at my desk, in an open plan office, when I was in my first week back from maternity leave. I work almost exclusively with male engineers who for the most part are not known for being tactful communicators. No one ever said a word about it, and they were all extremely kind as I re-found my feet. I promise you OP#1, unless you work with a bunch of psychopaths, no one is going to judge you for this. Reply ↓
FunkyMunky* February 3, 2025 at 12:26 am #1 – I’d low key pre-treat it with something like what people use at home on pet urine? at least to kill the smell (Enzymatic cleaner). hopefully no need to ask for a new chair, I wouldn’t be comfortable having that conversation either Reply ↓
Metal Gru* February 3, 2025 at 1:14 am This is my thought too, I’m not sure exactly what I would use but there are “cleaning influencer” forums etc with loads of resources that will have an answer. If it was LWs own chair at home rather than a company one they probably wouldn’t go straight to replacing it. Reply ↓
Regina Philange* February 3, 2025 at 12:28 am LW 1: this type of thing has happened to me enough times that I now have an entire desk drawer with extra stuff in it. I have a non descript tote bag stuffed info my desk drawer that contains: underwear, leggings, a t shirt, pads, baby wipes, and – this is the most ridiculous but important item – a couple pairs of depends. I also keep a cardigan at my desk for warmth but it also comes in handy if I need to cover up the spare t shirt that I’ve had to put on. now, if you do this, you will prob never have to use it. but I bet it’ll make you feel less worried about potential emergencies! I had pneumonia a while ago, and for like a month I was coughing and peeing at the same time, constantly. I also spill a lot so extra clothes are just practical. Reply ↓
Sleeve McQueen* February 3, 2025 at 1:08 am Two children later, I also worry about this stuff. Aside from having to stop dramatically and cross my legs if I am about to sneeze, I also find that wearing the light-range period underwear gives me a little bit more reassurance. Reply ↓
Lucy* February 3, 2025 at 1:18 am My gynaecologist taught me to stand up straight and rotate my upper body to the right before coughing or sneezing. This prevents the pelvic floor from pressing down on the bladder and isn’t as obvious a per- prevention strategy as crossing your legs. I can confirm it works. Reply ↓
Honey cocoa* February 3, 2025 at 12:29 am LW1, yes, you might just need a new chair. But as someone whose dealt with animal, toddler and senior incontinece it may be worth trying an enzyme cleaner. If you can come in on a weekend morning, apply a bunch of enzyme cleaner and let it sit all weekend, it might be salvageable. And it might not. I’m so sorry this happened to you. We are all human and our bodies don’t cooperate sometimes. Take good care. Reply ↓
Artemesia* February 3, 2025 at 12:33 am Anti Icky Poo is very effective for these stains. I have tried them all after an elderly cat seriously soaked a new guest bed before I discovered it. I tried several enzyme cleaners and this is the one that actually worked. It took a few thorough soaks/sprays but it did work. Reply ↓
GammaGirl1908* February 3, 2025 at 2:27 am I worked with a cat behaviorist when I had a cat that was eliminating inappropriately, and she highly recommended Anti-Icky Poo. It is powerful enough that cats and dogs can no longer smell where they eliminated. Reply ↓
Penelope* February 3, 2025 at 12:35 am I’m in the same boat as LW5. The state I work in is notoriously chintzy with unemployment benefits. *sigh* Reply ↓
phira* February 3, 2025 at 12:45 am LW1, I haven’t had this specific problem at work, but I have IBD and have had very obvious accidents while literally in the middle of teaching. Like, mid-sentence. It’s mortifying but you will be okay, I promise! I honestly don’t even think about any of my accidents anymore unless LWs write in with similar issues, and then I chime in to let them know they’re not alone. Reply ↓
PDB* February 3, 2025 at 12:47 am LW5:If you work in one state and live in another, you claim unemployment in the state you live in. I did it once. It’s called an interstate claim and it’s a PITA. Reply ↓
Suze* February 3, 2025 at 1:08 am Question #2. In my experience the most common reason for this is to give power to managers an excuse to get rid of problematic employees if needed. Normally the manager doesn’t enforce pesky rules to submit every receipt for every expense or be in the office 8 hours a day 4 days a week etc, but if they want to get rid of somebody they can enforce every little rule and make their lives unbearable until they quit. Reply ↓
Metal Gru* February 3, 2025 at 1:19 am As a manager there are lots of things I don’t enforce but could if I chose to or needed to. Management discretion. It does make me wonder though, because I talk to other managers who have different styles and are more sticklers for the rules about things like lateness (where it doesn’t have an actual impact) and I start thinking is it “fair” that different groups of people managed by different people get held to different standards. I don’t know the answer to that one but if this ever comes up, of course I would say this is due to my decisions, rather than throw them under the bus. Reply ↓
Eryn* February 3, 2025 at 1:13 am LW4: Is the $1500 reflected on your W2 from your first year? If it is, that’s your stuff. If it’s not, it may still be yours, but there would be a super clear cut path forward if you paid taxes on it. Reply ↓
Honey Badger* February 3, 2025 at 1:14 am I was on my time of month and had a huge, gushing accident all over the fabric chair, my clothes, the floor. I stood up like Carrie and coworkers came to help me, bring towels. No one cared. No one brought it up again. The chair was professionally cleaned. You’re human. We leak. Reply ↓
Lizzshi* February 3, 2025 at 1:16 am LW1, unfortunately, I had a similar issue (although on my couch at home, not at work) when I had COVID. Nature’s Miracle worked well. Reply ↓
Try Hydrogen Peroxide* February 3, 2025 at 1:47 am This was my situation, too. Covid, in bed and on the carpet. As mentioned in my other comment, hydrogen peroxide did the trick. Reply ↓
Nodramalama* February 3, 2025 at 3:02 am In my experience, a policy is often there to used when it’s needed but isn’t always. It’s there when someone says “well who says I can’t do this?” oh, it’s in writing. If someone is late once or twice, ok. The manager uses their discretion. But when someone is always late, there is a policy there. Reply ↓