boss got invited to our rowdy beach weekend, coworker is uncomfortable around my service dog, and more

I’m off for a few days. Here are some past letters that I’m making new again, rather than leaving them to wilt in the archives.

1. One of our bosses got invited to our rowdy beach weekend

I am good friends with three of my coworkers, let’s call them Billy, Goat, and Gruff. The four of us are distributed across three different teams, but we work together a lot on various projects and also hang out with some regularity outside of work. As such, we are planning a big beach weekend getaway in August. We’ve all invited various friends, booked a giant house for the weekend, and have been making plans for a super fun, rowdy weekend of drunken shenanigans (as beach excursions tend to be).

Billy is also friends with Goat and Gruff’s boss, Gabby. Like us, Gabby is in her 30s, friendly, fun, lively, and would logically be friends with all of us if she weren’t Goat and Gruff’s boss. She has been to dinner and drinks with us, and on one occasion the whole group went back to Billy’s house to drink more beer and eventually play a well-known boundary-pushing party card game. We all had fun, but Goat and Gruff both left early-ish, and didn’t drink much (as you’d expect).

This is where it starts to go sideways. Billy, in a fit of generosity, invited Gabby to the beach weekend. Since then, Gabby has asked me for additional details and if there’s room for her to join. My hostess/planner self is screaming that Gabby really, truly cannot come. That there’s a world of difference between the equivalent of a rowdy happy hour with coworkers and a whole weekend of road-tripping, mostly-naked (swimsuits!) heavy-drinking shenanigans, communal living, and collective reckoning with rampant hangovers and sunburn. Regardless, what was a smooth-sailing fun weekend is now embroiled in office hierarchy drama.

It seems to me like my options here are a) ask Billy to tell Gabby not to come, and run the risk that he’ll blame it on Goat and Gruff for being spoilsports, b) be the bad guy myself and tell Gabby that she can’t come, blaming it on my delicate/old-fashioned sensibilities about mixing work dynamics (possibly damaging our relationship in the process), c) pray that she won’t attend, either because her schedule will prohibit or because her sense of decorum kicks in and she decides to bow out, or d) be a terrible hostess, stew in my own stress, and let things play out as they may. I could use some help figuring out how to approach this.

Gabby can’t come. It’s crossing too many professional boundaries for a manager to attend a “rowdy weekend of drunken shenanigans” with two people who report to her. Presumably, Goat and Gruff are going to have to be on guard if she’s there, and it’s just not the weekend you planned. Ideally you’d do choice A — have Billy tell Gabby he didn’t think it through and since it’s going to be a rowdy weekend, he shouldn’t have invited two of the organizers’ boss. If you don’t trust him to do that without blaming Goat and Gruff (despite your explicit instructions), then you need to move to choice B — deliver that message yourself. Do not just hope she won’t attend or suffer in silence.

But really, Billy messed this up and he should fix it.

Read an update to this letter here.

2019

2. My coworker is visibly uncomfortable around my service dog

I recently started bringing my service dog to work with me. I went through all the required processes with my supervisor and HR, and found out that one of my neighboring coworkers (I’ll call her Carol) is very scared of dogs. I said I was willing to move desks, but they said it would not be necessary. However, Carol avoids me and my dog, and even refuses to walk within a few feet of my dog. If we’re walking in a hallway towards each other, I have to duck behind a wall or Carol gets visibly scared. I would like to help her be more comfortable around my dog, but don’t want her to feel pressured or coerced. Do you or your readers have any suggestions?

For context, my dog is about 65 pounds and tall. So she doesn’t exactly blend in. I keep her well groomed to make sure she doesn’t smell or shed excessively. She’s very quiet and doesn’t make any fuss.

I don’t know that it’s your place to try to help Carol be more comfortable around dogs unless she expresses an interest in that on her own (although I certainly understand the impulse to want to!). But you could tell her that you’ve noticed she’s uncomfortable around your dog and ask if there’s anything you could do differently to make her more comfortable, or if there are any questions you can answer about your dog that might help put her more at ease.

You could also mention that you’d offered to move to a different desk but HR didn’t think it was necessary — but that you’d be willing to bring it up again if she’d like you to.

2018

Read an update to this letter here.

3. My coworker has panic attacks, and it’s affecting my work

I share an office with my coworker. She has panic attacks. When she has one, I have to leave the office until the attack passes. If I’m there or she isn’t alone, the attack won’t stop. We work with financial information and can only do work with the computer inside our offices. When I have to leave, I can’t do work because my computer is in the office (we all work in offices with doors and there is no way for anyone to ever bring work outside of their offices), and when she is having an attack she can’t do any work. We are always behind on work because she has an attack every two or three days.

Our boss says if we don’t start delivering more work on time, he’ll put us both on a PIP. My coworker asked me not to tell anyone about her attacks. I don’t want to out her but I don’t want to end up on a PIP. There aren’t any empty offices for me to move to and there isn’t room anywhere else because everyone, including my boss, is already sharing. The last thing I want is to out my coworker. No one else here knows about her anxiety or panic attacks and she feels bad about disrupting our work. I don’t want to make it worse. But I also don’t want to keep getting in trouble or ending up on a PIP. I can’t think of any way to get my boss to understand without outing her.

Yeah, you’re going to have to out her. It’s not reasonable for her to insist that you leave your work space like this, and one of you needs to let your boss know what’s going on.

I’d say this to your coworker: “Because this is now affecting my performance and is at the point where I could lose my job over it, I need to talk to Bob about another solution for our office space. To do that, I’ll need to explain to him what’s going on. Would you prefer to talk with him yourself first? I’m planning to talk with him tomorrow, so I wanted to give you a chance to speak with him first about your panic attacks if you’d like to.”

But then you do need to disclose to your manager what’s happening, and quickly (because the longer you let this go on, the more it’s affecting your work and the harder this may be to come back from). This isn’t gossiping about someone’s private health information. This is letting your manager know about a major reason for your slipping work performance. It sounds like your choices are to do that or risk getting fired for low performance, and it’s not reasonable for your coworker to expect you to do the latter.

2018

Read an update to this letter here.

4. Interviewer insisted I was uninterested in the job

A friend got me an interview with his company. It was going well until I met the senior manager; towards the end of the interview, he dismissed one of my questions about the work by saying “I don’t think you’re actually interested in this, I think you just want a job.” I didn’t respond very well, as I sat there in stunned silence while he gave me “job-hunting tips.” Should I have argued back with him? I’m in a field where getting in someone’s face is an acceptable negotiating tactic, but it felt out of place at an interview.

There are three possibilities here: (1) You really were coming across as if you weren’t that interested, and this guy was candid in response; (2) he’s just a jerk, or (3) he wanted to test you to see how you’d react (which is jerky if there was no reason for it but potentially not so jerky if the field really does require the ability to stay cool under hostile questioning, and if you don’t yet have a professional track record proving you can do that). You might be able to get a sense from your friend of which category this guy might fall into.

I don’t think you should have “argued back,” but I do think you should have calmly asked, “What makes you say that?” and then responded calmly to whatever he said.

2011

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  1. Daria grace*

    #4: I suspect this interviewer’s behaviour was very valuable indication about the workplace culture. If this is how they behave in interviews I suspect you’ll get a lot of exhausting policing about whether you’re really committed to/passionate about the company once on the job.

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    1. Annie*

      “I think you just want a job,” he says, as though there’s something . . . wrong with that? Unless you were rolling your eyes and buffing your nails and checking your texts during your convo, OP, you were probably fine. Am I glad when candidates seem genuinely interested in our firm and our work when interviewing? Of course—that interest will help sustain them in our bananacrackers analysis field. Is “this person is well qualified for this role but doesn’t seem deeply vested in the culture/task/company” a dealbreaker? No—but it’s a great description of one of my crackerjack hires, who did consistently fantastic work for the two years she was on our team.

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      1. ThatOtherClare*

        People work because it makes them feel good. Sometimes that’s ‘I find what I’m doing every day exciting’ and sometimes that’s ‘I love living in this town and this job enables me to do that’ and sometimes that’s ‘If I work here I won’t go hungry or lose my house’. But in the end, people just do what they want to do because they want to do it.

        Forcing people to do stuff they don’t want to do is a) really difficult and not worth the effort, and b) illegal; but that doesn’t mean it’s therefore impossible to find a highly competent plumber to unclog your toilet, say. Nobody is passionate about being arm-deep in sewage at 6 o’clock on Saturday night, but pay them appropriately and they’ll still be interested in taking the job and getting the best possible result for you.

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      2. ASD always*

        It’s also a bizarre thing to expect when you don’t actually have the job. I am borderline-unhealthily emotionally invested in the process improvement stuff at my job, because I’ve spent the last seven years being irritated by the process. In year one it was still a stupid process, but I had zero passion for fixing it.

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  2. duinath*

    The update to three that reveals if LW3 didn’t leave when their officemate asked she yelled and threw pens and markers at them is… Wow. Burying the lede, I’d say. I wonder if LW3 ever told their managers that tidbit.

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    1. KateM*

      The update does say “my boss and HR were helpful once they found out about the yelling, name calling and throwing”.

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    2. Nebula*

      Yes, definitely puts a different spin on the whole thing, not least the coworker saying to LW that she didn’t want anyone else knowing about these panic attacks.

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  3. ThatOtherClare*

    #4 – Jobs for which ‘level of interest’ is vital for the role:
    – working with children
    – working with the elderly
    – working with people who are in vulnerable situations

    For anything else ‘The salary and benefits are what drives me to do a good job’ should be enough to get you good results. Pay people well in exchange for their best work and they’ll do their best work to retain the money. I’ll flawlessly put 110% of my effort into putting lids onto toothpaste tubes if you pay me $1000/hr and offer 12 weeks holiday per year. I’ll be the best gosh darn toothpaste capper you’ve ever seen if I don’t want to lose that role. I’ll be researching toothpaste on my lunch breaks and dreaming of little white lids.

    ‘Yes I will admit I’m not passionate about your mediocre corporate job. If I had enough money to live on I’d be giving my time and skills to a local charity who can’t afford to pay a living wage. I think you’ll find that’s an extremely common point of view, however. Would you like to engage in a transaction where you exchange some money for what I can do with my skill set, or shall we end the conversation here?’ (I don’t recommend ever actually saying that in an interview, you’ll look really weird and people will warn other employers about you, please don’t copy the snarky old lady, kids)

    It’s kind of pointless to pretend you’re not exploiting the fact that we don’t live in a post-scarcity society by lying to yourself that your employees are ‘passionate’ about the work (unless it’s the kind of work where people in a post-scarcity society would be doing it for free like firefighting or child speech therapy). Your social media manager isn’t actually passionate about shampoo, but she’s clever and she’s increased your engagement metrics by 140% in the months since you’ve hired her, so does it really matter?

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  4. Retired Vulcan Raises 1 Grey Eyebrow*

    #3 There’s being kind and there’s being self-sacrificing. Don’t be the latter at work. Extraordinary that OP3 allowed this to continue to her own obvious detriment for so long.

    My rule was not to inform the employer about coworker issues provided that didn’t affect my own work, e.g. job-hunting, or surfing, dress, time-keeping.
    However, this health issue did affect the OP’s work, massively.

    I would never endanger my job, merit rise, career or reputation for a coworker. The very first time this happened, I would have gone to my manager to ask whether they wanted me to leave the office – and my work, because delaying or not completing a task must be their decision, not mine (and it was obvious this would be an ongoing issue.)

    Of course, I’d never mention say having to work an extra hour for a one-off health issue., because that’s just my time.

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    1. Retired Vulcan Raises 1 Grey Eyebrow*

      and of course I’d have to tell the manager it was a panic attack and about objects being thrown; otherwise they would likely think I was being absurd, saying I left the office and stopped work because my coworker told me to.

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    2. Artemesia*

      This. but I understand an inexperienced person not knowing how to handle this — Me, I am not that nice. The first time she threw stuff and yelled I would have been straight to the boss to resolve this.

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