updates: my boss threatened himself, inappropriate music in a family-friendly store, and more by Alison Green on December 19, 2024 It’s “where are you now?” month at Ask a Manager, and all December I’m running updates from people who had their letters here answered in the past. Here are four updates from past letter-writers. 1. My boss threatened to kill himself over a minor work issue (#2 at the link) You and most of the comments told me to report my boss to HR or up the chain to our department lead, and consider reporting him to authorities for his safety. My boss lived in a different state (we were remote) and leadership already actively disliked him, so I was afraid that if I reported him to HR he would be fired and then actually harm himself. I reached out to my coworker to see how things had been for her, and she told me that she had been having issues with our boss as well. He had been taking credit for her work, asking her to do his work and provide it to him through text so it wasn’t on company property, making her work during PTO, and calling her and crying about losing his job. She told me he was highly manipulative and I realized that he had been using my sympathies against me to take the heat off of him. After that things started going downhill even faster, my department leader was let go, and thus the only buffer between my team and the leadership that had been causing issues was gone. The leader that was put in charge of social media was now overseeing our team. A week later I’m told that I no longer report to my boss, but instead to this leader. This broke my (now former) boss, and he would call me frequently to say how scared he was about losing his job and that they were out to get him, and would ask me to affirm that he was a good boss to me. Things were awkward, with my former boss asking me to do work without input from the new leader. Then my former boss rolled out a new product too early, causing some issues and a mess to clean up. The next week, my boss was let go. Leadership told us that they were committed to fixing the department and a consultant was then hired to revamp it, but a week later he was let go because he “didn’t do anything.” About a month later they hired an assistant for the president, and suddenly I had to work with her on some of my major tasks. The assistant also asked me to show her how different programs worked and how I did some of my work. I was suspicious that I was next on the chopping block and offered to show her more in depth at a later time, but she brushed me off. My suspicions were correct because just a few days later I was laid off and my coworker was offered a demotion or the option to take severance. I knew it was coming, but I wasn’t really prepared to be let go that quickly. But I was also happy to be free of the stress and drama, and no longer having to worry about everything. This was not the update I expected to share, but in the end my mental health is much better and I’m taking this time to recharge and viewing it as a long vacation. Thank you to everyone for your advice, it really did help me get through a difficult time and I frequently read over the comments. Hopefully my next job is a much healthier environment! 2. Manager plays inappropriate music in a family-friendly store (#2 at the link) The music continued to play for well over a month before she switched to other music on her own. The disgusting song didn’t come back for the rest of my time there, and she plays more mainstream songs. I’m not sure if that was because a complaint went through or she just decided to change the music. Several commenters tried to guess the song in question but none of them were it. When I googled the lyrics, nothing came up. I can only assume the music didn’t have an actual record label behind it and was some sort of garage band home job CD. The sound quality was good, so someone had a decent setup, but it wasn’t an officially released song. On the plus side, I moved out of state a few months ago and am continuing my life away from the store and the toxic manager. According to friends among the staff, she still works there, and bullies the staff for not working fast enough. She manages to keep it just below the threshold of crossing legal lines, such as trying to push unpaid work. But it’s apparently a job that doesn’t exactly get the cream of the crop employee-wise due to the hours and minimum wage pay. So people who work there now are sort of desperate to get a job and not likely to produce high turnover rates. Nevertheless, I am free and clear, and going to a local college for a degree in a better field. 3. How am I supposed to contact a friend of my dad’s? (#4 at the link) I wrote to you about how I had moved to a new city, and my dad was pushing me to get in touch with an old colleague of his. At the time I was a bit annoyed (my parents have always been a little too in my business), but you encouraged me to meet the contact. We had a nice coffee, he was very friendly, spoke warmly of my dad, and welcomed me to the city with some tips for fun things to do. About a year later my dad was in town and we all went to a nice lunch. Alison, my dad passed away this year. After he died, I reached out to his colleague to share the sad news, and he replied with a lovely and thoughtful note. In addition, my dad was an expert in a niche topic, and ran a popular website about it for a number of years, in addition to writing some books. It was through this topic that he met his old colleague. I am a writer as well, and after giving it much thought, decided to take over the website and continue his work. His colleague was delighted to hear about it and said he would be happy to help. Although my dad’s nagging annoyed me at the time, I’m so glad now that I honored his wishes and met his friend. 4. Is a past run for office keeping me from getting job interviews? (#5 at the link) I got a new job with the candidate info still on my resume! It was actually pretty quick (I had submitted the application before I wrote to you/had the letter answered). I started in mid-November. It’s a much bigger org than I’m used to, but I’m excited for this next step in my career. I hope to be here for a long time, but when the time comes, I’m still going to remove the candidacy from my resume moving forward and just leave it on my LinkedIn. Thanks again so much for all your amazing advice! Commenters, too — y’all are great. 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Valancy Stirling* December 19, 2024 at 6:10 pm I’m sorry for your loss, LW #4. What a lovely way to honor your dad. Reply ↓
L* December 19, 2024 at 6:12 pm So wait, #2 WASN’T Sean Kingston? I have to admit, I thought the original post was a little overreacting to a song that was on top 40 radio and played on pop music stations regularly – even if I can see how it rubs people the wrong way. But now I’m curious what the song was! Reply ↓
MsM* December 19, 2024 at 6:12 pm Wow. I’m not condoning #1’s ex-boss’s behavior, but I do think I understand his paranoia. Reply ↓
Compliance is fun* December 19, 2024 at 9:02 pm I mean, if you’re performing poorly at work and think you might be fired because of it, that’s not paranoia, that’s being realistic. Reply ↓
Bruce* December 19, 2024 at 9:30 pm “Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you” or something like that… Reply ↓
Seashell* December 19, 2024 at 6:19 pm I’m surprised people were listening that closely to the plotline of a song they’ve never heard before in a store. I might notice if there were cursing involved, but just a guy in a song behaving in a creepy manner? Probably wouldn’t register with me or most small children. Reply ↓
Wired Wolf* December 19, 2024 at 9:54 pm The music at my work is at such a volume that you can’t really ignore lyrics….unfortunately everything’s controlled at the corporate offices and it’s clear that the volume setting is meant for a larger building. The rotation has a handful of songs that could be considered inappropriate (either squicky in some form or with fairly specific religious overtones). Reply ↓
Coverage Associate* December 19, 2024 at 11:34 pm Certainly the employees hearing it over and over would learn all the lyrics, or at least some employees would. I kind of agree about shoppers, but do we know how often they came in? My disorganized family goes to the grocery store a few times a week. And if the artist was local, locals might recognize the song. Reply ↓
Fshface* December 20, 2024 at 2:08 am Some people naturally listen to song lyrics, whereas others just kind of take in the ‘vibe’. It might not be everyone who noticed what the song was about, but it doesn’t have to be everyone to be an issue. Added to that, LW said that the lyrics included suicidal content and that it wasn’t a professionally released song, so the lyrics might actually have been very blatant. If the singer was outright saying “I should just kill myself”, that could definitely catch some people’s attention even if they weren’t actively listening. Reply ↓
The CEO’s assistant* December 19, 2024 at 7:25 pm Just a reminder that if anyone shares suicidal thoughts or tells you they are considering it, the national suicide hotline for the US is 988. Reply ↓
MrsThePlague* December 19, 2024 at 8:56 pm Thank you for this – best of luck in the job search! Reply ↓
StarTrek Nutcase* December 19, 2024 at 11:10 pm Glad the guy didn’t follow through on that threat as LW’s guilt would be overwhelming though unwarranted. And if reported, call 911 not HR as not a company matter. As an aside, IMO any adult has the right to end their own life at any time for any reason or none – but not risk others in doing so and not burdening others by threatening to do so thus putting any responsibility on them. Reply ↓
Myrin* December 20, 2024 at 2:16 am I’m quietly laughing my butt off about #2’s song being neither of the songs which were hotly debated in the original comment section with a majority going “Of course it’s ‘Beautiful Girls’ by Sean Kingston!” in a way that allowed no nuance or other opinions whatsoever. Perfect illustration of what we’re always talking about regarding people commenting like they know for a fact something is true when actually, all they’ve said is pure conjecture and they could be 100% wrong. Reply ↓
CityMouse* December 20, 2024 at 3:23 am “My boss lived in a different state (we were remote) and leadership already actively disliked him, so I was afraid that if I reported him to HR he would be fired and then actually harm himself.” So addressing this in LW1, I was reminded of an ex of mine who would make similar comments that made me afraid to initiate a breakup. What I realized is that I couldn’t accept mistreatment and these comments were part of a pattern of how she treated me. I broke up with her and forwarded her texts to a mutual friend when they came in. So obviously work is different from a romantic relationship but you absolutely cannot and should bot take that mentally on. “Reporting my boss’s misconduct will mean I’m responsible if he does X” is not true, you are not responsible for other people’s actions like that. Your wellbeing matters and you shouldn’t avoid reporting misconduct because someone makes comments like that. Reply ↓