your manager sucks and isn’t going to change

Three letters, one answer. One answer that’s awfully similar to this one.

1. How can I improve morale when our president is so difficult?

I work for a very small nonprofit with fewer than 15 employees. We have had a difficult history with a lot of turnover. Due to that turnover, I am now second in command and most of the organization reports to me.

I have been trying to improve morale, but the line I am increasingly getting is “Things won’t improve until the president leaves.” He is a difficult person; he has wild ideas that he will make everyone work on and change his mind suddenly about large projects that take a lot of effort. He also publicly holds people accountable for things that really aren’t their fault, or aren’t realistic, but does it in a group setting so there is no way for them to defend themselves without making him look bad. I could go on, but how can I help build a stronger team that works together without fixing the real problem (the boss)?

Your manager sucks and isn’t going to change.

You can’t build a team that functions as if your difficult, demoralizing president isn’t heading up the organization, because he is. You may be able to make small improvements around the edges, but the fundamental problem is going to remain. Do you want to be second in command to someone who operates that way?

2. How can I make my boss see reason?

I recently started a new job as vice president of content for an online company with about 25 employees. The CEO/owner has a long history of successful start-ups. However, he’s into his 70s now and I’m wondering if he’s losing his grip a little. I’ve been in this business for decades myself, and the money he wants to pay the freelance writers is absurdly low–about half the going rate, and he wants me to cut it further even while he brags that our content is better than our competitors–it’s not. He even found some outsource content providers that send us barely literate copy for next to nothing. The stuff is ghastly. And yet his plans are so grandiose that even if he tripled our budget it would still be a stretch. He approached an old friend of his who’s a fine writer–I checked his work–and offered so little money that his friend was hurt and insulted. The CEO seems very confused at this. Ironically, if he lowered is quantity expectations, I could create a very profitable site for him.

He seems impervious to reason and is getting more and more annoyed with me that I can’t produce the quantity and quality he wants on his low budget. I’m thinking of quietly talking to the sales staff and telling them the boss is going to wreck the company if this goes on, but that sounds dangerous.

Any ideas? I want to stay here–the pay is good and I see a lot of potential.

Your manager sucks and isn’t going to change.

You can try spelling out reality for him (“the going rate for the work we need is $X, the plans you have for the site will cost $Y to do well, and so we need to pay more or accept shoddy work”), but it sounds like you’ve tried and it hasn’t gotten you anywhere. Since you don’t have a magic wand that can make him see reason, and he apparently isn’t changing his mind, you’ve got to decide whether you want to be VP of content for a site with content you consider ghastly.

3. My boss always favors new employees over everyone else

I’ve worked for the same company for almost six years. It’s had its ups and downs, but I’ve remained loyal, putting in long hours and hard work. Having been here this long, I’ve noticed a recurring problem. Whenever a new employee is hired, my boss gravitates towards them and holds their opinions and decisions above everyone else’s.

To me, this seems backwards. Rather than giving the new guy a chance to work hard and prove himself as a valuable employee, my boss automatically gives him that advantage. For example, the new employee who has worked here for less than five months has currently taken it upon himself to redesign our company logo. Said employee does not even have a background in design, yet this is being allowed.

My coworkers and I have brought this problem to the attention of our boss, and yet he completely disregards our concerns. And it’s not just this new employee — it happens every time. Any time a new person is hired, they automatically know more than anyone else and are put on a pedestal. I call it the “shiny new toy effect.” I would think our boss would value and respect the people currently keeping the company afloat, especially since new hires have been like a revolving door. In general, my boss is pretty naive, I just don’t understand why he favors new employees and shows no loyalty or respect for those of us who have stuck by his side.

Your manager sucks and isn’t going to change.

All you can really do is decide whether you can work there reasonably happily knowing that, or whether it’s time to look for another job.

weekend free-for-all – May 16-17, 2015

Olive watching kittensThis comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. (This one is truly non-work and non-school only; if you have a work question, you can email it to me or post it in the work-related open thread on Fridays.)

Book Recommendation of the Week: How to Be a Victorian, by Ruth Goodman. This is fascinating. You will learn all about how to keep clean without water, how Victorian bathrooms worked (and didn’t work), what it’s like to brush your teeth with soot, and so much more. The author didn’t just research this stuff; she actually lived that way herself and then wrote about what it was like. Soooo interesting.

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new manager getting pushback from staff, employer keeps tweeting about a job opening, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. I’m a new manager and getting pushback from some staff on job requirements

I’ve been promoted to the managerial position for a college program where I was formerly the program assistant and an instructor. I am also much younger than most of the other instructors who were my colleagues and now are my staff (about 10 people) and am taking over for a much-loved manager who founded the program.

While I have great relationships and feel respected by about half the team, there are several others who are having trouble adjusting (to say it lightly). The former manager was very lenient about some of the administrative requirements and I’m being pushed by my own supervisor to be more strict and make sure everyone is doing what they need to be doing. There are several staff members who have been under-performing and not following some of our grant requirements. These are are also staff members who are off-site (about an hour away). I recently sent emails to two in particular having issues, explaining that we need to make sure certain requirements are met in order to not risk our funding. I attempted to come from an empathetic perspective, and in fact the former manager (she’s been training me before she goes) looked it over and thought it was fine. I received fairly haughty responses back, along the lines of “(former manager) was very flexible, are you not going to be as flexible as her?”

I’m trying to be flexible, I’m trying to be delicate and empathetic, and I’m also trying to get respect and fulfill my responsibilities to my own supervisor and our grantors. These are people who have been in the program a long time and are overall good instructors so I don’t want to lose them, but simply don’t know the best way to proceed.

“I know we’ve been more lenient about this in the past, but we’re deliberately making a push now to follow the administrative requirements because ___. If it turns out to be really onerous to do this, let me know what you’re running into and we can talk about how to approach it, but (your own boss) and I are committed to following these requirements going forward.”

If you continue to get indications that some staff members are Not On Board with what you’re doing, talk to them about it directly — and if it’s getting in the way of them doing the work you need or being able to work with them relatively easily, be prepared to handle it as you would any other performance issue. It’s great to be flexible and empathetic, but don’t let that steer you away from being forthright when you’re not seeing what you need.

2. Writing a recommendation letter on a different company’s letterhead

I was asked to write a recommendation letter for a former employee who is now applying to graduate school. He was an excellent team member, so I’m happy to help.

However, the school he is applying to requires that the recommendation letter be on “company letterhead.” Both the former employee and I have moved on from the organization we worked for when we worked together. I called the school, and they confirmed that the letterhead requirement is important to them, suggesting that I use letterhead from my current place of employment (which the employee has no connection to).

The organization I work for now is well known and I’m not sure they’d want their letterhead used for this (something completely unrelated to them). I also don’t want to imply in any way that that I’m speaking on behalf of my new company or that former employee is somehow connected to this new company. Am I wrong to feel “icky” about using my current company letterhead? Are there any other options that I’m missing? (Also, what if I choose not to keep working after leaving my last place of employment? I wouldn’t have much option to use “current” company letterhead, right?)

It’s pretty normal to use company letterhead in this context. It’s not considered unethical, wrong, or weird. You’re not speaking for your current company, but you’re acting in your professional capacity, and this is where you now work. You’ll of course make it clear in your letter where you worked with the person, so you’re not being misleading in any way.

(That said, I agree with you in wondering how the school would handle it if you weren’t currently employed.)

3. Explaining why I don’t have a LinkedIn profile

I’m just starting my job search after completed a graduate degree and am trying to connect with folks for informational interviews where possible. It’s going really well, but I keep running into the same problem — every person I’ve connected with asks for my Linkedin profile. When I say that I don’t have a LI (or any social media), they tell me what a big mistake it is not to have an online presence during my job hunt.

The problem is that I don’t keep social media profiles for safety reasons, as I’ve been stalked online by an abuser from my childhood. I’m familiar with my legal options, but I don’t want to explain this very personal story to strangers or in job interviews. How do I answer this question? It’s exhausting to get a lecture on why I need Linkedin when it’s not an option for such an intimately personal reason.

I’d go with, “I know, and normally I would. There’s a long, complicated story behind why I don’t.” And then I’d immediately steer the subject to something else.

4. Severance agreement stops payments once new work is found

My wife has a severance agreement from her employer where she is paid on leave for a specific amount of time (a week for each year she was at employer). I believe she can not get a new job, and if she does this pay will cease. How would her old employer who she technically is still getting paid by now? They have never sent her anything where she verified she wasn’t looking and/or had other employment.

Does she have a written severance contract that clearly states that the severance will stop if she takes a new job before it’s set to run out? If so, she has signed a legally binding contract and should inform them herself if she accepts new work before the severance payments stop. Otherwise, if they later find out, at a minimum she’s likely to have burned that bridge with them (and possibly impact the kind of reference she gets from them in the future). Worse case scenario, they could take her to court to get the money back.

And they could certainly find out — through LinkedIn, the grapevine, knowing someone at the new company, or who knows how. Plus, there’s the whole acting in good faith thing — she made an agreement that she should honor.

5. Employer keeps tweeting about a job opening

I applied two weeks ago to a job that seemed tailor-made to my skill set. It’s also a job with a company that I’ve been following quite extensively for a few years now.

They tweeted the job out on their Twitter page for the first time on April 27. The job posting itself was first listed on their company website on the 27th. Since then, the job has been tweeted out once every couple of days. It was tweeted out again this morning.

Should I already assume I’m out of the running? After applying I received an automatic reply, the standard “HR will contact you in 2-3 weeks if interested,” and I understand that I should consider a job out of sight out of mind after applying, but… is there any way I could know what this means? Does tweeting the job posting out multiple times mean they aren’t getting applicants they want? Does it mean maybe they haven’t even started interviews yet? Is there any way to know if this means anything?

It means nothing.

It’s no different than companies that keep refreshing job ads until they’ve hired someone. It doesn’t indicate anything about the quality of candidates in their pool or whether or not you are still under consideration; it indicates only that they want to keep the flow of candidates coming until they no longer need to, because they’ve hired someone and closed the position. Smart companies keep recruiting actively no matter how much they like the candidates in their pool, because they have no way of knowing if things will ultimately work out with those candidates or not.

Plus, the person handling their Twitter may have zero interaction with the people doing the hiring and have no idea where the hiring for the position stands, other than the fact that there’s an open job.

I think you’re taking the tweets to mean “we’re increasingly concerned that we need more candidates because we definitely don’t see the right one in the existing applications,” but it really means nothing more than “we have a job opening that has not been filled as of today.”

3 reader updates

We’ve got three updates from people who had their letters answered here earlier this year!

1. Update: my boss keeps sending me urgent work to do even when I’m out sick

Unfortunately, the situation is still kind of complicated. I did try talking to my boss, and we determined that making my messages clearer, i.e. “I will not be checking email or answering calls, please get in touch with so-and-so if you need help with anything,” would help. It lets him know that I’m really, really not in a position to respond.

I was able to determine that he is overall happy with my performance, so that’s at least something. I haven’t been out sick since then, but I did take a few days off to prepare for medical leave. It was better, but there was still a level of volume that I’m not completely comfortable with, and I think it may have been that he knew I wasn’t sick. He still has trouble remembering when I’m going to be out. The problem here is that he doesn’t really use his Outlook calendar, so putting my time off on his calendar doesn’t seem to work.

To his credit, I am currently on medical leave for the issue I mentioned in my original post, and my he has been very good about not contacting me.

TL:DR It’s better, but I think I haven’t had the opportunity to really test him, and there is still room for improvement. I’m trying not to let it bother me as much. 1. He’s explicitly stated that he’s happy with my performance. 2. I’m going to be job searching once I’m off medical leave due to some other office culture issues.

2. Update: my boss’s kid punched me in the groin (#1 at the link)

It only got worse. I had hoped that once my manager’s son was in school full time that children in the workplace wouldn’t be an issue anymore but I was sadly mistaken. She had a baby at the start of last fall and after being out for six weeks on maternity leave, she was back full-time, this time with an infant. About once or twice a week she would come in two hours late without letting us know if she was coming in at all, with baby in tow. The final straw was when the baby and pram was wheeled out to me in the middle of my work day (and right as I was getting ready to go to lunch) and I was told by a coworker who was often fine looking after the kiddo that I would be looking after the baby since she was “busy” and “needed to work.” HR was seriously involved after that.

I know that that issue went all the way to the VP in charge of our department and back down again. I also have a strong feeling it affected the way that my boss interacted with me after that happened. There were weeks where she couldn’t maintain a professional attitude and most of the time chose to ignore me as a means of coping. She also often looked like she was about to burst into tears when she was forced to interact with me. Sadly, I think the administration cracked down on her and not the office in general about bringing in dependents because it still happened with other coworkers, although all with slightly older children and never as often as my boss was bringing in her kids.

I read the writing on the wall that this was a perfect time to move on and not suffer another review season with the strain of the personal/ professional problems between myself and my boss. A few months ago, I started the process of finding another job in earnest, and I’m happy to report that after only a few interviews I landed a position in New York City.

3. Update: my boss has banned hot take-out food at lunch

Unfortunately, it’s a very annoying update from my end (but hopefully in the near future a very positive one!)

In regards to the lunch rules, they’ve taken root and everyone else has fallen into place with it. I’m no longer asked to go out and pick up lunches on behalf of the whole office, as I learned to stand my ground. Once I structured it in the way that the company would lose essential administrative support if I’m out of the office for too long, staff stopped asking. It’s not the best situation for those who are forgetful and other reasons, but the majority of the office look out for each other in regards to food.

Now for the frustration…I had mentioned in the comments about other bizarre rules in place, one being the mandatory fun. It’s expected that every payday, unless if you have a “genuine reason,” you are to attend mandatory events where you pay money for a variety of events, including going for food (but mostly alcohol). I’m not on the same salary scale and commission as my other colleagues, so what pay I receive I do need to budget accordingly. My non-attendance has been brought up in the past in passing (but mostly from my office more in the sense of “please come out, you are lovely company”). I’m far from a person who lets someone spend money on me, and even that has been thrown about and I’ve shot that down as I don’t want to feel awkward and a bit of a leech.

The morning of our last social, I came into work to an email sent to all about internal opportunities and specifications for all roles within our company. I opened a few up and scrolled to this gem (intercompany lingo changed to protect myself): “Attend Socials, Summer Events, and Festive Teapot Parties on a regular basis and keep in mind these dates when arranging activities outside work. Seek permission from line manager when attendance is impossible and previous personal bookings cannot be changed.”

To say I was livid was an understatement. This is listed as essential for not only generic duties but to also progress within ANY role. I’d already put down a bit of a deposit towards this social so I bit my tongue and attended (one meal, one drink and then an early night).

I was then pulled into a somewhat drunken conversation with the director who made up the food rules who proceeded to tell me there and then that the training I’d been requesting (with payment plans for courses, a proposal to undertake it part-time, and work during the weekend to make up for any time missed) were not going ahead as “there’s no point in paying for you to leave” and that he MAY pay for it out of his own pocket in 2016. I also got a spiel about how I did the work of four people yet they have no more money in the budget to give to me so I needed to give up any career ideas (?!). Followed by a somewhat offensive chat about how much the single men in the office like me and if I wanted to, I could start dating as I’m young and a good catch. I was absolutely stunned, made my excuses to talk to someone else, and ended the night pretty sharpish.

From that moment on, I’ve realised that I will never get the respect or opportunities within this company that I have been promised in writing. I’m far from the type of person that rocks up at work at my exact start time and leaves my exact finish time, but it’s getting to that stage. I sit seething as more and more emails are sent about how we are growing as a company and future plans, as well as statements that all staff are encouraged with personal and career growth. And no money in the budget? Well they have enough to look at hiring an apprentice who I can “complain about admin work with” and open a new office in a very expensive location. It’s a kick in the teeth, to put it lightly.

Yes, I am biding my time and looking to move on. The downside of my industry is that they use every single online job site to find individuals, so if I put my information online then that would create a lot of problems. I’m hoping I find something soon. At least I can get some excellent advice and information from the Ask a Manager community.

a hiring committee accidentally included me when discussing my qualifications with each other

A reader writes:

I’m currently looking to make a career switch (not completely new, just different focus), and I recently applied for a great job. One person from the hiring committee emailed me back, while cc’ing what I am assuming is the rest of the committee.

All of this is fine, but then today I got a message from another member of the committee, and after reading it, realized that it should not have been sent to me. It was discussing if I would be a good candidate (because of A, B, and C) but that it looked like I might be lacking in D and also would have a long commute.

Do I acknowledge that I received this message? My first instinct is to send the committee a good-hearted “oops! But since you asked…” email, allowing me to further explain my qualifications (and intention to move if I get the position). On the other hand, maybe it would be better to just pretend I’d never received it.

Yes, I’d acknowledge it — both because it’s polite and also because at some point someone may realize that you were accidentally included.

I think your proposed response is a great one. Just keep it brief — you don’t want to send them a long treatise they haven’t asked for, after all.

Most importantly, remember that tone here is going to count for a lot; they’re likely to feel embarrassed that you saw their internal discussions, and the tone you use can go a long way toward signaling “I don’t feel weird about this and you don’t need to either, and in fact I’m a lovely person who you would enjoy working with.”

open thread – May 15, 2015

It’s the Friday open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on anything work-related that you want to talk about. If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to talk to other readers.

* If you submitted a question to me recently, please don’t repost it here, as it may be in the to-be-answered queue :)

colleague is dressing down on charity dress-down day but refusing to pay, is this hiring process fair, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Colleague is dressing down on charity dress-down day but refusing to pay

I have a bit of an unusual situation. In my office, we’ve started having a “charity dress down day” at the end of every month. Each employee can donate £1 in order to dress down for the day, and a different department each month gets to choose which charity the donations go to. They usually organise games related to their charity as well to raise extra.

There is one guy who dresses down every single time, but refuses to donate the £1. He says that he was under the impression that the company would match all donations and as that hasn’t happened, he won’t donate till they do. The thing is, I send out the emails about these charity days and I remember that I told him it wouldn’t be matched the day before the first dress down day. So he knew in advance that it wouldn’t be matched and chose to dress down anyway – and has carried on doing so every month since.

Now other departments are getting more and more upset/angry about it every month that goes by. I have people coming up and asking whether this guy has donated. They feel like he’s getting away with something that no one else would be allowed to (which is true). His manager is a lovely guy but seems completely unable to force him to either stop dressing down, or start paying his £1.

What’s the solution here? Are people being too sensitive about a £1 donation, or should we push harder to make this be taken seriously by management? What can realistically be done even if they do look into it?

Someone in your company needs to decide how serious they are about this whole set-up. If they’re serious about it, then his manager needs to tell him, “Hey, what you’re doing isn’t cool and you need to either participate in the charity drive or quit dressing down.”

If you’re the person who’s organizing all this, or if you otherwise are in a role where you have standing to raise this, you should talk to his manager and point out that this guy is undermining the charity drives and needs to be talked to. Or you can talk to him directly yourself and say, “It’s fine that you don’t want to donate, but you’re continuing to dress down without donating, and it’s removing the incentive for other people to participate. If you don’t want to participate with a donation, can you please ignore the program entirely and stop dressing down on our dress-down days?”

For what it’s worth, I’m no fan of the whole concept, for the reasons here.

2. Should my cover letters extend sympathies to the company CEO, whose daughter just died?

I am working on a job application for a nonprofit organization of about 15 staff. The position reports to a vice president.

The organization has announced that among the victims of the train crash in Philadelphia was the daughter of the organization’s president and CEO. Would it be respectful or distasteful to mention that in the cover letter – i.e., “Please extend my sympathies to Ms. Jones” or something along those lines? Should I remain mute?

Do not mention it in your cover letter. It’s not the place for it, they’re not actually going to mention to the CEO that a job applicant she doesn’t know sends her sympathy, and it risks coming across as if you’re using her tragedy to create rapport (although I understand that’s not at all how you intend it).

Read an update to this letter here.

3. Is this hiring process fair?

There is currently a manager post open at my organisation which has been advertised externally and internally. Myself and several colleagues are applying for the role which will be a promotion. The interview process starts with an assessment day which I’m assuming will be group work on scenarios.

If you are successful at this stage you then move forward to the interview round. I have found out that one of my colleagues who is currently acting up as a temporary manager covering maternity leave has also applied but will skip the assessment round and go straight through to interview. The justification for this is that she is already operating at this level.

Is this fair? I feel it shows favouritism and am two minds whether to do something as I shouldn’t officially know this information.

Sure. If they’ve seen her actually doing the work that the assessment round is designed to assess, that’s far more useful in terms of evaluating her candidacy than even the best-designed assessment can ever be. Assessments are designed to see candidates in action; if they’ve already seen her doing that work, there’s no reason to spend her or their time making her jump through that hoop.

4. Do I have to give info to a skip tracer who’s looking for an employee?

This morning my voicemail had a message from someone claiming to be with “Verifax,” wanting to “confirm a payroll address.” I Googled the company and discovered they do skip tracing (locating people who can’t be easily tracked down). I assume they’re attempting to track down one of our current or former employees for debt collection.

If they call back, do I have to give them the employee’s address? What are my requirements and liabilities in this situation? I’m leery of giving out any kind of personal information about our employees; my preference would be to tell them nothing (how do I know they’re really legit, and not a crazy stalker ex?).

Nope, as far as I know, you have no legal obligation to assist them. If they had a court order, that would be different — but without one, as far as I know you’re free to say, “We don’t release personal information about employees so I’m unable to help you.”

5. My boss introduced me with a dramatically wrong title

I am currently employed as finance manager (which is the job I accepted), but during a major meeting I was introduced by my boss as an admin. Can a company change my job title so dramatically without informing me?

Sure, they can change your title. The bigger issue here isn’t whether or not they’re allowed to, but what’s actually going on. Is there any other reason to think that your role and title is so different from the one you accepted? Are you doing the work of a finance manager or of an admin? What’s your role been thus far?

Assuming that you’re doing the work you were hired to do, I’d say this to your boss: “I noticed you introduced me in the X meeting as an admin, and I wanted to make sure I’ve got my title right — we agreed on finance manager, right?”

can I speak up about how our meetings always run way past the allotted time?

A reader writes:

Meetings that end on time make my heart sing. I’m the manager of a department with about a dozen people, and my staff knows that I am uncompromising about ending meetings on time.

Alas, our entire division (about 50 people) has a monthly meeting that invariably runs over the allotted hour. Even when we do end on time, these meetings are excruciating. Our director spends the first half-hour providing updates on the overall company, with a focus on how those updates affect our division. Then, each of the six managers (myself included) provides an update from our department. If you do the math, you figured out this leaves 5 minutes per manager if we’re going to get out of there on time.

In my humble opinion, that’s all the time we need because the purpose of the meeting is just to make sure that everyone has a big-picture idea of what’s happening across the division and get some face-time in since we are spread across several floors in two buildings. However, I feel like a few of my fellow managers use the meeting as a platform to show important and busy they are. They routinely rattle on for 10 -15 minutes, oblivious that we’re all creeping closer to our deaths while they recite the trivial details of their daily schedule.

Can I say something to my director about this, or do I need to just suck it up and plan to be at these meetings for half the morning? I recognize that I have a particularly strong aversion to meetings, and she is perfectly aware that these meetings run over and has elected not to do anything about it, so I’m concerned about coming across as an unsupportive coworker.

How’s your relationship with her generally? If you get along and she thinks well of your work, try speaking up and seeing what happens. I’d say this: “What do you think about asking people to keep their department updates to about five minutes unless something is truly crucial? With six managers giving updates, that would let us end our meetings on time; otherwise we end up going significantly over the meeting time, and I’ve sometimes got things scheduled right afterwards.” You could add, “I think people aren’t always sure what level of detail they should be providing, and giving a time guideline could help with that.”

But if your relationship with her isn’t great, I wouldn’t expend capital on this, as much as I agree with you about meetings that operate this way.

If that’s the case — or if you talk to her and it doesn’t get you anywhere — then I’d just start assuming that these meetings will last 90 minutes rather than 60 (or whatever length they generally seem to end up at). I’d also bring some work to look over if you can get away with doing that.

More generally, if anyone is running meetings this way, please stop.

Related:
why meetings suck and how to make them useful for your team
I’m spending hours every week sitting in useless meetings!
how much talking in a meeting is too much?

how to get rid of drama on your team

In an ideal world, any team we worked on or led would be a model of professionalism and never get sidetracked by emotions or interpersonal conflict. But in reality, drama and unproductive conflict can creep into teams if you don’t purposely create a culture that’s inhospitable to it. Here’s how to do it.

1. Model a no-drama approach yourself. Team members will take their cues from you. If you gossip, react strongly to difficult news, are often in crisis mode, or regularly have interpersonal conflicts, you’re likely to see that behavior on your team as well. But if you’re calm, cultivate a sense that everyone is on the same team, don’t overreact, don’t indulge in gossip, and take a low-key approach to office politics and interpersonal relationships, you’ll reinforce the behavior that you want to see from your staff. So if you’re seeing drama on your team, the first thing to do is to ask yourself some tough questions about what you might have been modeling for them.

2. Actively discourage unconstructive interpersonal conflict. Too often, when two teams members are having a long-running and unconstructive conflict with each other – one that’s interfering with their abilities to perform their roles effective and which is distracting others around them – managers throw up their hands and let it play out. Sometimes managers figure that these are adults who can manage their own relationships at work and that it’s not their place to step in. And while that’s certainly true for minor conflicts, when something goes on for a while and affects the work or people around them, good managers will call out the behavior and make it clear that it’s not in sync with the culture they want. People don’t have to like each other, but they do need to treat each other pleasantly and professionally, and as a manager you can make it clear that that’s part of the job as much as the work people do.

3. Create an explicit value around people cooperating and operating with good will toward their colleagues. Not only should you call out problematic behavior when you see it, but you should be transparent about what you do want to see. One way to do this is to create an explicit team norm around low drama and assuming positive intent, and discuss it at team meetings, when onboarding new employees, and when you see examples of it playing out on your staff. (For instance, if one of your staff members deals particularly cheerfully and kindly with a colleague on another team who’s prickly and difficult to work with, tell her you notice and appreciate it.)

4. Make sure that you’re setting clear goals and providing enough direction. Often on teams that are full of fighting and drama, part of the problem is that people aren’t spending time on the work they’re there to do – either because they don’t have clear goals with ambitious benchmarks to hit or because their manager isn’t providing them with clear direction. Sometimes in drama-filled situations, managers or their advisors feel they should focus on the interpersonal side of things: communication styles, conflict resolution, and team-building activities. But often those things don’t address the real issues: a culture that allows drama and in-fighting (possibly because staff members are seeing it mirrored from the top), lack of direction, and not enough focus on work and accountability.

I originally published this at Intuit QuickBase’s blog.

I’m frustrated that I was rejected by an employer for a second time

A reader writes:

Two and a half years ago, I was working two part time jobs to make a full-time income when I laid off from the larger job, and have been subsequently working the smaller part-time job, while looking for full-time work. I am an older, minority worker, and while I know those are not supposed to be factors by law, I am not totally convinced that hasn’t contributed to the longest job search of my life. A little over a year ago, I had applied for a job with a large nonprofit and made it to the interview stage. I did the best I could and thought the interviews had gone well enough, I followed up properly, but ultimately when the decision was made, I didn’t get hired. I had really wanted it because I like the organization a lot, so it was a somewhat disappointing when I didn’t get it. But I figured it happens, moved on, and forgot about it after a while.

During the conversation where I was told I wasn’t hired, I was offered the opportunity to ask for feedback and was told that the team didn’t feel I would be comfortable with certain solitary aspects of the job. The irony of of this was that when I was subsequently rejected earlier in the process for similar position, I actually got special feedback from the manager, and was told the reason I didn’t move on was the screener/interviewer felt I was “too much of a lone wolf” for certain aspects of the job. The manager admitted that a mistake was made, but it was too late to add me to the possible hiring pool. Which only left me wondering wondering how I could be both.

Anyway, a few weeks ago I answered a blind box ad that just described the job but didn’t give out the identity of the company, and since the description sounded very close to my qualifications, I applied. I wrote a good cover letter, fine-tuned my resume to fit, and sure enough, a few days later I get a call from the hiring manager. The name she left sounded familiar but I couldn’t find any record of her in my files. As we spoke, we realized we had indeed met before and acknowledged our previous encounters. However she said she “definitely” wanted me to come in and interview, so we set something up for early the following week.

Once again, I thought the interview went well. This time they were in the process of changing systems, so it would be like coming in fresh and not joining a well established unit. Also, I only spoke to the hiring manager and not the rest of the team, so it was a briefer interview. I consciously did what I could to make it like a fresh opportunity and not come across like I was taking anything for granted, or conversely holding onto anything negative from the first rejection, which I wasn’t anyway. At the conclusion, I asked about the next steps and was told a decision would be made in 2-3 days. I followed up with a thank-you letter reinforcing my interest and appetite for the job, but when the stated decision time came there was no response. A week later, I got a message from the hiring manager that someone else was hired, it was good to see me again, and good luck with my search.

Normally, I might be briefly disappointed but shake those types of rejections off. But this particular one feels like a real gut punch, which finally brings me to my question.

If she knew she didn’t want me the first time, why would the hiring manager bring me in a second time, only to reject me again? Did she not believe in her first decision? I would have honestly felt better if during the phone interview she had said something along the lines of “I know you have applied for this position before and I didn’t hire you. This job has opened up again because the person I did hire then is leaving. But if it is all the same to you, I would rather look at some other candidates who most recently applied. Thank you for your interest again though and good luck.”

I’d prefer that to being brought in again only to get a second rejection via a phone message. The former I could respect, even if I didn’t like it, while the latter feels more like being jerked around, to the point where if I should ever be confronted this type of situation again (which I hope I am not) I am thinking it is better to decline to go. Am I wrong to feel like this?

Well, I think you’re looking at it wrong.

She didn’t know that she wouldn’t want to hire you this time. She thought you were strong enough that you could be the best person for the job. That’s why she asked you to come in and interview. Ultimately, someone else ended up being a better fit for the job, but she didn’t know whether or not that would be the case until she finished interviewing.

I’m sure that you didn’t think that you were guaranteed the job the second time around, right? (Actually, some people do think those sorts of things, but you don’t sound like you did.) She considered you a strong candidate, thought it was possible that you could end up being the strongest of the finalists she interviewed, and behaved accordingly.

Imagine this: You’re hiring a contractor to do some major work on your house. You’re talking with a few different contractors about the job, and one of them is someone who you talked to a few years ago when you were redoing your deck. You liked him at the time even though someone else ended up being better for the job, and you think maybe you think maybe he’d work out for this new job. But after talking with three or four people, ultimately your favorite pick ends up being someone else.

It’s really no different here. These are business relationships. It’s not like a dating situation, where someone is either interested in you or not. Employers are trying to find the best person for the job, with a pool of multiple people who could be well-qualified.

Would you really not prefer not to even have a shot at the job if there was a chance that it meant risking a second rejection? Certainly if that’s how you feel, you should refuse interviews in cases like this, but it seems pretty short-sighted to me.