what to do when a fired employee is badmouthing your company

A reader writes:

How would you deal with a fired employee who keeps calling active employees here on the job to speak badly about the company and HR? It is sadly at the point where she is making things up and defaming the abilities of the HR team by spreading rumors. Any advice?

You can read my answer to this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago.

(By the way, they tell me that my column there last week was the most-read item on the site that day! Thanks for heading over there to read it.)

my manager is nickeling and diming me on vacation time while I’m working 27 days in a row

A reader writes:

Each January, my job requires that I work 3.5 weekends in a row, Saturday and Sunday, out of town. (I have a regular, 8-5, Monday-Friday job and I continue this schedule while traveling.) These weekend events are 12-hour days, plus the travel time to the cities on Friday and Sunday evenings. My job has a good amount of travel, but this is the only time of year when I am gone all weekend for multiple weekends in a row.

After my first year, when I was non-exempt and paid overtime for the weekend, I worked with my supervisor to move to an exempt position. (It got me a raise and now the flex hours/overtime for the weekends away isn’t an issue.) This year, in the middle of my 27-days-on month, I took one day off. When it came time to submit my hours, I didn’t count the day. My supervisor asked me to change the record to be sick or vacation time. I did change it and the whole thing was cordial. He said I could be fired and he could be fired for lying. I said that he was the only supervisor I knew who would have me count a day in the middle of a 27-day stretch of working.

It is my impression that exempt means if you’re working so much (in this case, more than 70 hours per week, which is a lot in my field) that you need a day off, even in the middle of a M-F work week, it is up to supervisor discretion whether you count it as paid leave. My supervisor doesn’t have this take and believes that exempt or not, you’re in your seat from 8-5, M-F no matter what hours you work. In his defense, he follows his rules himself. I just think this is a strange approach and terrible for work/life balance. So, who is right?

Based on common sense and principles of good management, you’re right. But there’s no law or other rule that says that; ultimately it’s up to individual employers to decide how they want to handle this type of thing. Many employers handle it reasonably, because they understand that when someone is working 27 days in a row, you don’t nickel and dime them if they want a day off. But plenty of other employers do stick to really rigid paid leave policies and insist that any time off from days you’d otherwise be expected to be at work counts against your leave balance, no matter what kind of grueling hours you’re working.

You’re apparently working for the latter. Or at least your manager is that type; your company as a whole might not be.

You could try saying this to your manager: “The way I see this, I’m putting in an enormous amount of extra time this month — by my count, X hours over the last few weeks, with no weekend and no break. Because I’m exempt, I don’t receive additional pay for that time. When my work schedule permits me to take a day off in the middle of what would otherwise be 27 straight days of work, I’d like to be able to do that without losing a vacation day. After all, I’m losing 7 weekend days this month, and it doesn’t seem unreasonable to to have one day in the middle of this very intensive period when I otherwise don’t even have weekends. Could we think of it as me taking my normal Saturday on a Tuesday instead?”

Frankly, you could even say, “My understanding that part of the trade-off for being exempt is that while I don’t earn overtime pay when I’m working extra hours, I have some flexibility in how I manage my time.” This isn’t required by law, but it could be useful to frame it that way for a manager who’s such a stickler about doing things by the book.

If your manager still refuses after this, he’s incredibly short-sighted. This is the kind of thing that messes with people’s loyalty toward their employers and disincentives them from going out of their way or putting in extra time when it’s optional.

refusing overnight travel for training, attending a coworker’s baby shower after being fired, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Can I refuse to travel overnight for training?

Our company is switching software for our management systems. We have two locations in our area, and the company is telling us that we are to close our offices and all of our staff are required to travel three hours away with two overnight stays to be trained on the new system.

This seems unreasonable to me. We all have families and personal obligations. We will be training with coworkers from this other city who get to go home each night. We do not work in an industry that typically requires business travel so none of us agreed to travel when we accepted our jobs. I realize to many it may not seem like a big deal but to moms with small children (some of whom are single mom) and people with pets, this seems unfair. It does not seem reasonable that we have our lives hijacked for three days and two nights. Can it really be more cost-effective to pay for travel, meals, and hotels for five people? Five people who are angry and disgruntled about having this hardship placed on their lives in order to keep their jobs? It really does not seem fair.

Business travel is … well, it’s pretty normal. Even in jobs where it’s not a regular thing, it’s not uncommon to have it occasionally come up — for training or a conference or a retreat or whatever. Having to spend two nights away once in the course of a job isn’t outrageous. It can feel inconvenient, yes, but being angry and disgruntled about it is a reaction that’s pretty out of sync with workplace norms.

And it absolutely could be more cost-effective to send five people to training; if the training is being conducted by another company, there can be huge costs associated with bringing them to a new location.

People who don’t live with another adult usually handle this by arranging for back-up child care and pet-sitters. If there’s a reason that you truly can’t do that without significant hardship (for instance, if you were caring for a child with special medical needs), you could talk to your manager about it. But if it’s just that it’s a pain in the ass to go, there’s not really a fight to be fought here. You’re very likely to encounter this at any job you go to.

2. Warning employers about an anxiety disorder around politics

I’m a recent grad and am looking to enter an office job for the first time. Unfortunately, I have an anxiety/panic disorder than can lead to very powerful, meltdown level panic attacks. My attacks are triggered by the general presence of politics in images, conversation, and media. It’s not too bad in daily life – I can avoid looking at things that might trigger me, I speed away from rallies or strikes, I politely ask people to change the subject or leave the room if need be, etc. I’m medicated and undergoing therapy for it – so while it’s a disorder, it’s not a disability. Mostly it’s really embarrassing once I’ve calmed down.

But I’m a web designer and would like to work for a studio or corporate office, and, should they ever take a job that requires me looking at, researching, or otherwise having to be exposed to politics for the sake of the project, I’d have to withdraw from the project (which might mean I leave work for 3-6 months until the project is complete, which isn’t going to fly in an entry level position).

Since this isn’t a “disability” level disorder, at what point should I let prospective employers know about my issue? I don’t want to lead with it, so to speak, but I’m concerned about going into a job and having to deal with not being honest when I tell them I can fulfill the position’s duties.

This is going to be particularly tough to ask about because it’s so different from the types of panic disorders most people are familiar with; I suspect many people are likely to think you’re just overreacting and not take it seriously, which is not the reaction you want, obviously. So it’s tricky. That aside, though, I think the situation really means that your best bet will be to focus on employers where it’s highly unlikely that this will ever come up (just like someone with severe anxiety about, say, public speaking might avoid applying to jobs where they might need to give presentations or lead meetings).

3. Attending a former coworker’s baby shower when I was suddenly fired

I was recently invited to an ex-coworker’s baby shower. We were friends outside of work, and I definitely want to attend. The problem is, most of the people there will be from my old job. This wouldn’t be a big deal, except that I was essentially fired/forced to leave with no warning. It ended up being a blessing in disguise, as I didn’t realize how toxic management was until I left, and I’m happily employed at a much better place now! However, my sudden departure caused quite a stir, and it’s likely that the people at the party will want to ask me about it. How do I handle the questions about why I left?

It’s really up to you and how much you want to get into what happened. Personally, I’d go for either totally concise and matter-of-fact (“They fired me because X, but I’ve moved on to Y, where I’m incredibly happy”) or declining to discuss it at all (“It’s a bit of a story and today’s not the day for it, but I’m doing X now and really loving it”). I think with either of these, you come out looking good without getting sucked back into drama that you want to keep behind you.

4. Should I tell a prospective employer what other companies I’m talking to?

My job search is proceeding well with two companies. When mentioning that the process is proceeding with “another company” (especially because they ask if that’s occurring), is it good, bad, or neutral to mention the other company by name? I thought this would make it real and not a bluff. Would your advice be different if I was referring to an actual offer received at another company?

In general, there’s not usually an advantage to naming the other company, and it’s really not the other employer’s business. In some fields, though, it can be useful to mention that you’re being recruited by, say, Google. But you don’t need to name names in order to make it credible; employers are used to candidates talking with multiple employers and aren’t likely to be skeptical.

5. Mentioning coursework on a resume

I just finished my MA in Museum Studies, and I’m applying to jobs (it’s not fun).

I know that in the nonprofit world, grant writing and development are important skills. As part of my MA program, I wrote two complete hypothetical grants for a major federal program (IMLS). I got A’s on both, and my professors deemed them “fundable.” I’m wondering how I manage to communicate this on cover letters and/or my resume without coming across like a 10-year-old who got an A on a spelling test.

I think you can mention it in a cover letter if it’s directly relevant to the job or in an interview, but I wouldn’t put it on a resume, just like I wouldn’t put most other coursework on a resume. You don’t want to sound like you’re giving it too much weight, since the ultimate measure of a grant is whether it actually gets funded. Your professors may be right that the grant applications you created were fundable, but until they pass that real world test, they won’t be as compelling as actually funded grants would be.

sorry about the ad hiccups!

I know a lot of you have experienced problems with the ads here over the last week or two — video ads that automatically play sound without your permission and mobile ads that redirect you to the App Store for no apparent reason. This happened when I transferred to a new ad network and encountered some unexpected kinks. They and I are working on these issues and hope to have them resolved soon, and I want to ask for your patience meanwhile (and apologize for the hassle).

A few more notes about ads:

* When you’re visiting the site on your phone or other mobile device, you shouldn’t have any more issues. I’ve turned off mobile ads altogether until the problem is solved. If you’re still seeing them on a phone, try clearing your cache and that should take care of it.

* Video ads: Auto-play video ads are allowed on the site, but auto-play sound is not. So you might still see auto-play video after the problems are resolved, but they shouldn’t be producing any noise.

* Meanwhile, many browsers allow you to change your settings so that no ad will auto-play on any site. If you’d like to change those settings,  this article explains how to do it.

Thanks for bearing with me during this. I’m working on it!

realizing you want to reject a job candidate after already inviting them to interview

A reader writes:

I am new to the hiring process, on the employer side, and want to make sure I am following proper (and legal) etiquette.

Is it appropriate to reject applicants based on email responses to an interview invitation?

After narrowing the applicant pool, I sent emails to qualified applicants requesting an interview. Resumes were emailed in the beginning, so I believe this was an appropriate method of communication.

Based on the responses I received back, there are a few applicants who I would like to reject and not interview after all. These responses included serious grammatical and spelling errors or the applicants asking me to give more details on who I was. The name of the company, as well as my own name, was included in all correspondence; however, they would send responses such as, “Can I ask who exactly I am interviewing with again???” (they actually included three question marks) and “I’ve applied to so many companies, can you give me more information on your company?”

Based on these responses, I can already tell these are not individuals I want to hire. Can I rescind the invitation to interview or do I need to continue the process, knowing they’ll receive a rejection?

You can absolutely rescind the invitation. There’s no need to spend your time interviewing someone who you know you won’t hire, and frankly, it’s kinder and more considerate not to waste their time either if you’re sure you won’t hire them.

When I’ve had this happen, I’ve sent an email back saying something like this: “My apologies — we’ve had a change in plans on our end and won’t be able to proceed with the interview after all, but I wish you all the best in your search.” If you’re pressed for an explanation, you’re not under any obligation to provide one; it’s fine to be vague and say “we’re moving forward with candidates who better fit the needs of the role.” But if you feel like explaining, there’s no reason that you can’t be transparent and say something like, “For most roles, we’re looking for candidates who display strong attention to detail and are resourceful. Your response to my interview invitation was enough out of sync with our style on those fronts that I don’t think this is the right match.” (Of course, if you do that, prepare yourself for people to argue with you. You’ll have to decide if you feel like taking that on or not.)

By the way, you implied you weren’t sure what the law might require in this regard. The law doesn’t require you to follow through on interviews once you’ve offered one, or to spend time with candidates who you know you won’t hire. Hell, the law doesn’t even require you to treat people fairly (not that there’s anything unfair about your decision-making process here). It only requires you not to discriminate based on race, sex, age (if over 40), religion, disability, or other protected characteristics.

It’s perfectly reasonable and legal — and smart and even considerate — to rescind an interview invitation when you’re sure the person no longer stands a chance.

Amazon’s rules for hiring, who’s doing the most office housework, and more

Over at Intuit QuickBase’s Fast Track blog today, I take a look at several interesting work-related stories in the news right now, including Amazon’s rules for hiring the best people and a new study showing that women are still expected to do more of the office “housework.” You can read it here.

I’ve messed up my work history and now can’t find a job

A reader writes:

I am a 24-year old in need of serious job advice.

I have short work histories with previous employers (10 or more in 7 years). The longest I’ve worked for a company has been about year and a half: Dairy Queen when I was working in high school. The second longest is a year and a month, 2012-2013 for a security company. I have burned most bridges with previous managers. I blame my personality type, INTJ, and quit most positions without having another job lined up, so I have a lot of gaps in my employment history as well. I have been through four or more staffing agencies, but cannot hold a job long enough to get on through the companies in which they had me work. I am unable for re-hire through two of these staffing companies. Basically, if I am not presented with a daily challenge (a challenge which I believe is challenging), I get bored very, very, very, easily!

I am not a team player. I prefer highly challenging positions in which I work alone or with one to two other people. I have had some college but didn’t manage a degree – because I dropped out. (I dropped out because I did not work well with my professors, and got stressed out with work added in the mix.)

I am currently looking for work, but believe I cannot find it due to companies that primarily hire based on online and personality applications, lack of a good structured work history, no achievements, and my inability to interact with societal norms. Can you give any advice to how I may proceed in finding work?

It’s pretty unlikely you’re going to get a job that you find challenging with this work history or this approach.

But let’s back up. This isn’t about being an INTJ. Most INTJs hold down jobs just fine. This also isn’t about not being challenged; loads of people have jobs that aren’t particularly challenging and they hold on to them anyway because of a work ethic or sense of responsibility or or because they’re working toward something better or because of a basic interest in having a paycheck and a stable work history. And it’s not about being stymied by online applications either, because other people are getting hired with those just fine.

What this is about is how you’ve handled yourself in the work world so far. Most employers rightly believe that a person’s past actions are the best predictor of their future actions, and so your professional past counts for a ton in the hiring process. You’ve built up a past that’s now functioning as screaming warning sign to employers. They don’t want to become the next job you leave in less than a year, and right now your resume says pretty clearly that they will be.

Having a stable work history and good references is a prerequisite for most jobs, and especially so for interesting, challenging jobs. Interesting, challenging jobs have lots of people applying for them, and employers will rarely hire someone with a spotty work history when they have loads of qualified candidates without a history of job-hopping. (Moreover, this sounds like it’s not just job-hopping; it sounds like it’s also about leaving on bad terms, which means that you’re not going to have great references either, so that’s additionally prohibitive.)

And the longer this goes on, the harder and harder it’s going to be for you to find any job, let alone a challenging one.

What all this means is that if you want to create the conditions to eventually get interesting, challenging work, you’re going to have to engage in some serious reputation repair, and that’s going to mean sacrificing for a while. You’re going to need to work at jobs that you don’t find especially challenging while you’re building a stronger work history, and you’re going to need to appear to do it cheerfully and enthusiastically so that you can build up references. You’re going to need to stay at those jobs even when you want to quit, because you need long stays on your resume now, to counteract all those short ones. (Fortunately, at 24, you can drop a lot of those earlier jobs off your resume altogether so they won’t be haunting you for years — but you do need to replace them with much longer-term jobs.)

If you build up a sustained period of stable work where you demonstrate a work ethic — whether you like what you’re doing or not — over time you’ll erase some of the damage that’s currently making you unappealing to good employers.

If you don’t do that, it’s highly likely that you’re going to paint yourself into a place where you’ll never be able to get the challenging work you want.

So, your basic choices:

a. unchallenging work now / staying at jobs you’d prefer to leave so that you have a chance at challenging work later
b. unchallenging work probably forever

I think A is the better option, but you’re the one who will have to make that call.

how can I stop my office from celebrating my birthday, my old job won’t stop contacting me, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. How do I tell my office that I don’t celebrate my birthday for religious reasons?

I do not celebrate my birthday for religious reasons. I have several friends, family, coworkers, and other acquaintances of varied faiths who do celebrate their birthdays, and I have no problem with that – I just don’t celebrate my own. Unfortunately, my office is big on birthday celebrations. I like my coworkers, and I don’t want to be That Jerk who won’t Cooperate and be a Team Player. On the other hand, I don’t want to betray my faith by celebrating.

Last year was my first year at my current job. I quickly realized our office celebrated everyone else’s birthdays, so I decided to hide my birthday. I started in January and my birthday is late in the fall, so I had to hide it for basically the whole year. When asked when my birthday was, I’d say, “Oh, it’s not for a while.” I don’t think anyone kept track, so they didn’t realize that I’d “never” had a birthday the whole year.

I almost got away with it. But then, I had to provide my birth date to my manager so she could sign me up for some training. This happened just a few days after my birthday. Due to the timing, she wished me a happy belated birthday, which I took in stride and thanked her. Then other coworkers who had nothing to do with this training started wishing me a happy belated birthday. I think the whole office now knows when my birthday is, including the party-planning coworker (who plans everyone’s celebrations), despite my efforts to hide it.

Now that my secret is out of the bag, what do I do to make sure my birthday isn’t celebrated in the office? It seems to me that I have to let everyone know at some point before my birthday that I don’t celebrate it. I’ll at least have to tell the party planner coworker. Is there a way to do it without mentioning religion? If it’s better to mention my faith, how I can I politely and professionally bring it up in a way that will actually be respected?

Just be straightforward: “I don’t celebrate my birthday for religious reasons. Could you make sure the office doesn’t plan anything for mine? Thank you.” I’d say this to both your manager and the party-planning coworker, so that they both know. And it’s definitely better to just explain it’s faith-based; if you don’t, you risk people deciding that you don’t really mean it or that they know better and pushing a celebration on you anyway.

2. I took a lower-level job than I’m qualified for and want to move up

A few months ago I was offered and accepted a position. When I was applying for this position, I clearly stated that I had 4 years of work experience, including a master’s degree in an adjacent field (admittedly not directly related). My work experience was in event planning and promotion (2 years) and communications (2 years). The position I was applying for was purely for communications (though a good portion is in event promotion, which I didn’t know at the time). The recruiter, however, saw Communications in my job title for only 2 years, so she said she was going to submit my application instead for a lower level position, a rung below the one I originally applied. I agreed only because I was in need of a job.

Fast forward to now, I am in more of a support role alongside recent graduates with only 2 years of work under their belts. I feel in some ways I’m still getting acquainted with the way things work at this employer and thus learning to a degree, but in other ways the nature of my work is much less responsibility than I was accustomed to having. I have had weekly check-ins with my new supervisor and have clearly stated I have enjoyed A, B, and C work (where I’ve had more autonomy, more difficult projects) and would like more of that. Things are not changing much, I’m guessing because I’m new (understandable).

In a month, I have a new-employee review, more of a check-in with HR to express how I’m feeling in the position. I would love to say in some way it’s my fault for not sticking up for my past experience, but I need to be promoted to more responsibilities in line with my level of experience and education. I still remember my days of unemployment and am worried they would just worry this job was not the right fit. I really enjoy the projects I get where I have more autonomy, yet I also am feeling unhappy and unfulfilled most of the time, because those opportunities are more rare.

Well, you can’t usually just request to be promoted or given higher-level projects and have it happen, especially after only a few months on the job. Even if you’re qualified for a higher-level role, you accepted a lower-level one. That’s the job they hired you for, they have lower-level work that needs to be done, and you’re the person who they’ve hired to do it. You can certainly express interest in moving into a higher level role over time, but if you accept a lower level job and only a few months later are agitating to be moved out of it for something more senior, you really risk coming across as unrealistic about the job you took on.

It’s possible that the recruiter was off-base in pushing you toward this role, but it’s also possible that the company wouldn’t have hired you for the more senior one. Either way, though, this current job is the one you accepted. I’d focus on being awesome at it for a year and proving yourself, and then ask about growth possibilities after a year.

3. The job I left six months ago is still contacting me with questions

I left my organization in July 2014 and am employed now at a new organization. I am still getting contacted by previous coworkers about information and projects I managed. When is an appropriate time to say, “that’s enough”? I just received another email this morning and deleted it. It’s extremely frustrating, especially since all this information had been handed off prior to me leaving the organization.

It would have been appropriate to cut them off a month after you left. It’s crazy that they’re still contacting you after six months. I’d tell them directly that you’re too busy with your new job to continue helping and that you’re sorry but you can’t continue to respond to questions. (And as a general rule for this kind of thing, it’s reasonable to be available for the occasional question for a few weeks after you leave — but regular questions six months later? No.)

4. Should I use my full name when I start working?

I will be graduating in May from university and I have a bit of a silly question. I have two first names, for example Maria Theresa, in addition to a middle name. In previous internships I have gone by this name, but it has created some confusion, with people calling me Maria (a name I’m not usually called and so I forget to respond when that name is called). In my personal life, I go by the initials, such as MT, or a shorter nickname such as Terri. It makes me feel difficult to have a long name and people have told me they don’t want to have to always say my full name. Should I continue going by my full name? I fear that going by a nickname will highlight my young age in an office setting.

Go by whatever name you want to go by. It sounds like you prefer initials or a nickname. Either of those is fine. You can put that name on your resume — a resume isn’t like an official legal document where you have to present your entire full and legal name. And working professionally doesn’t require that you start using a more formal name than you’ve used previously. Nicknames aren’t unprofessional or young; people of all ages use them.

If you prefer to go by MT or Terri, use that on your resume, and introduce yourself to people that way.

5. Describing family caregiving work on my resume

After almost 23 years, I was laid off from my office manager position (I was the only one in the office handling all areas of running the small corporation) in May 2014, per my request of my wonderful boss who worked with me on this situation. My teen daughter had been fighting recurrent cancer the previous year and a half and he’d kept me at full salary through all of my time off through her surgeries and chemotherapy handled at the local hospital, as I was still able to work about 10 hours per week. At the time of the layoff, she needed two stem cell transplants at an out-of-town hospital, so he let me go since I had no idea when I could get back into the office and I wanted him to be able to hire someone else. She has now recovered and returned to school, so it is time for me to get back into the workforce.

How should I handle this employment gap on my resume? I’m assuming:
May 2014- Present: Caregiver

But I don’t know if I should use action words as though it were a job — things such as conferring with doctors, ensuring schooling continued, researching and providing proper and bacteria-free nutrition, etc. Please let me know what your suggestion is in this type of situation and what action words would work best. During this time of non-employment,I did take some training classes in the Microsoft Office Suite of products as well as classes on interviewing, resume writing, and using social media in your job search since everything has changed since I last interviewed.

I actually wouldn’t put it on your resume. While I’m sure it truly was a significant amount of work, ultimately it’s not the kind of professional work that belongs on a resume. Instead, I’d just address it briefly in your cover letter without getting into details: “For the last X months, I’ve been dealing with a family health issue that has since been resolved, and now I’m eager to get back to work.” That’s it!

I’m glad your daughter is doing so much better!

I’m meeting my interviewer at a coffee shop — how does this work?

A reader writes:

I have what I think is going to be an amazing opportunity with a just starting up private school. I am super excited about the potential for this position. I have been to many standard interviews, both at offices and at schools. I know the drill for those. This interview, however, is going to be at a coffee shop because they don’t yet have a location.

How does this work? I haven’t actually met any of the people in real life before. I’m assuming that I shouldn’t email them saying that I will be the one wearing the pink sweater with a blue travel mug on the table. Is there some kind of standard protocol for meeting unknown people professionally in a public setting? (Should I arrive extra early to make sure we get a table for example?)

Also, does a coffee shop interview change what I should wear? I generally wear a nice woman’s pant suit to interviews. But I am wondering if that would make me overdressed for the situation.

I am ridiculously excited about this prospect and want to come across as professional and competent. I know that my portfolio will speak for itself, but I want to make sure that I don’t make any mistakes with the other stuff.

If you can, look up your interviewers on LinkedIn or elsewhere beforehand and see if you can find photos of them. That will help you spot them. But it’s also perfectly appropriate to say, “I’ll be the woman in the grey suit with the large blue travel mug.”

And speaking of suits: Yes, you should wear one. The fact that the meeting is in a coffee shop doesn’t change that. You still want to present yourself at your most polished and professional.

It’s also smart to arrive a little early, scope out the space, and pick a spot to sit where you’ll be comfortable — for instance, maybe at a table toward the back where it’s quieter, or a table with chairs rather than getting stuck sitting on a deep couch where you won’t be able to sit up straight. This way, you can also get your drink beforehand and avoid the awkward “who pays” moment (but if that happens, the employer should always pay).

However, if you show up early and your interviewer is already there, she may ask if she can get you something to drink. Say yes, and give her a simple order — “I’d love a latte, thank you” is fine; “a no-fat no foam two Splenda peppermint mocha with light ice” is not.

Other things to keep in mind: Don’t wear lipstick that’s going to leave a noticeable red stain on your cup. Don’t order a drink that’s going to leave you with a foam mustache. Be polite to people working there. Don’t leave trash on the table when you leave.

What other tips do people have for coffee shop interviews?

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