updates: the new job insurance problem, the awful second-in-commands, and more

Here are three updates from past letter-writers.

1. My new job’s insurance doesn’t cover my medication

I am the person who wrote in about the company not covering Wegovy when it was on the formulary list they gave me during the interview process and I would not have taken the job if I had known they would not cover it. After much back end discussion, they told me that they were not able to cover it for a variety of reasons which I understood. However, they understood that it is important to me and we negotiated an almost 25% of my salary bonus to commit to staying for two years. Taking into account the other perks of working there, I agreed.

2. How to tell my boss his second-in-commands are making it impossible for me to do my job (#5 at the link)

There’s a wee bit of drama, but the overall outcome is a positive one.

When the director got back from paternity leave, I was initially going to leave it for a while before addressing the situation delicately with him (as he and the Goons are personal friends).
Unfortunately, however, Caligula (thank you to the reader who suggested that one!) got to him first.

The director and I were catching up one day when he started to ask me about when I start work, when I finish work and what my productivity was looking like at the moment. I knew that this had come from Caligula, because he was seemingly out to get everyone in Director’s absence. I had anticipated this though so had a response ready. I reminded Director that at my job interview, I made him aware that I have ADHD and have about six hours per day of super productivity before my meds wear off and I crash really quickly, and he had said that was fine.
This is probably where I put my foot in it, though, and word-vomited my grievances about Caligula.

Director listened intently to me and then went on his way, until a few hours later where I was called into a meeting with Director and Caligula, and Director told us basically that we needed to sort our differences out. The way that man was acting like a confused puppy in front of Director was nauseating. But I stuck to my guns, and told him that he needs to stop getting involved in my work, stop trying to micromanage me, especially since we’re technically on the same level of hierarchy, and to start contributing where his input is requested. He agreed that he would and that was that.

And I’m happy to report that he has noticeably wound back the BS. Not completely, but enough that I can toe the line between pacifying him and keeping my own peace.

Goon 2 is still an absolute bozo, but I fortunately don’t have much to do with him anymore now that Director is back.

I also recently had my probation/performance review where Director told me that I’m his “best hire in about 18 months,” which is saying a lot for a place with relative turnover, and he also assured me that he’s aware of some of the other managers not taking me seriously and he’s been addressing this with them in their own performance reviews (one guess for my gender and that of the other managers). I’ve also heard from two lower-level managers that every time something is said against me or my work, Director shuts it down pretty quickly.

So it’s still not perfect here, far from, but knowing that Director has my back definitely makes things easier.

3. I’m scared to tell my boss how behind on work I am (first update here)

First, an update on my husband. He finished his chemotherapy treatment in the fall of 2019. He started a new job in March 2020. He is still employed there today and it has been wonderful. Each follow-up scan for cancer has been clear and after one more clear scan, he won’t have to visit the oncologist again!

Back to me: At some point in 2019, my department divided the hierarchy so that Toxic Boss was over the other half of our department, and I reported to a new boss. She was a lovely boss, who actively solved problems and advocated for us that our workload was too much (and we were growing, so it was constantly increasing). She really pushed back on the work on which I was months behind, so when we were relieved of doing it at all, my stress level dropped immensely. Honestly, if my role hadn’t switched to reporting to her, I would have quit solely because of Toxic Boss. I felt sorry for the department half that reported to Toxic Boss.

Side note: I later discovered that a lot of my colleagues were also behind as much as I was, but didn’t have the guts (or realization of how far behind they were) to own up to it in the meetings.

My role evolved into payroll accounting. I loved doing it, but I was still working with Toxic Boss. Eventually the tasks that brought me into contact with Toxic Boss were moved over to Lovely Boss, so my job became even more enjoyable. With the shelter-in-place order in 2020, I started working remotely and I’ve been remote since then. In the fall of 2020, I started working with payroll, which really got me away from Toxic Boss, as she had no authority over payroll. I only saw or heard from her if I went into the office and even then, it was merely social conversation. To boot, Lovely Boss was promoted over Toxic Boss and became Toxic Boss’ boss, so I really had no work reason to contact Toxic Boss anymore.

My job title changed again in 2022, as did my boss, and I view him as a mentor. My workload can fluctuate, but I’m not stressed or overloaded. I really enjoy my work. I have reached the light at the end of the tunnel!

Final Piece: In September 2022, Toxic Boss RESIGNED. I keep an eye on her so I can avoid working with her ever again.

how do people manage jobs with cyclical periods of really long hours?

It’s the Thursday “ask the readers” question. A reader writes:

About six months ago, I quit my role in a demanding, high-stress field that regularly demanded 60-100-hour work weeks. I made a somewhat lateral career change that resulted in significantly less hours and also significantly less pay. I don’t mind the pay cut since I’ve found my new work is more enjoyable and I’ve cultivated a greater sense of self outside of work.

The issue I’m having is that my new role is cyclical in nature (similar to an accountant who has to work ~50 hours every month-end/quarter-end to close the books). I’m starting to struggle even with these periodic 50-hour weeks and was hoping you or your readers could give some insight before I make another career and lifestyle change.

How do people manage their personal lives while working jobs with higher demands one week out of the month? I’m worried that perhaps my values simply no longer align with roles that demand more than 40 hours a week in any capacity, but I’m wondering how others manage to balance staying engaged with friends, family, and community with fluctuating work schedules.

Am I doing something wrong that I feel like I can’t balance my personal and work life during these weeks? Should I simply accept that I need to make some sacrifices for one week every month? I feel like my perspective on work is skewed from my first job that demanded 12+ hour days and am struggling to figure out where I’m being idealistic with how a career fits into my life vs. what is realistic. I would so appreciate any thoughts you or your readers have before I make another (hopefully not misguided) career move. Thank you!

Readers, what’s your advice?

my boss unfollowed me on Instagram, I was offered an interview even though they’d already filled the job, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My boss unfollowed me on Instagram … but still follows everyone else

My senior head of department follows all her team on Instagram. She followed me and then out of the blue unfollowed me. I’m not an over-poster; it’s usually just my dog or a quote, plus family pics. Anyway I checked and she still follows the rest of the team. I never asked her why and went on to unfollow her back! It sounds a bit pathetic, really, but why? It’s been bugging me for ages, and I suppose only she can answer that, but now I feel ostracized. I get a sixth sense she doesn’t like me. Am I being ridiculous?

There are so many reasons this could have happened! Who knows — maybe she’s grieving her dog who looked just like yours and it’s painful to see your photos right now, or she has a schnauzer phobia, or your brother looks like a guy she used to date, or you once posted something really personal that she assumed you wouldn’t want her to see more of, or she clicked unfollow by accident and doesn’t even realize it happened… or sure, maybe she finds you horribly irritating on Instagram, but any of these other possibilities are just as likely too.

That said, when you ask if you’re being ridiculous … what you’re being is human! It’s easy for me to sit here and say you shouldn’t care, it’s only social media, blah blah — but the reality is, when your boss appears to be shutting you out socially in a way she hasn’t done with anyone else on your team, it’s normal to notice and wonder about it. The best thing you can do is to assume it’s one of the harmless reasons above (or even find a way to enjoy the mystery of it, if you can manage that!) and then focus on how she treats you at work. Is she a decent manager who gets you what you need to do your job? If you work on keeping your focus there, it’ll likely take a lot of the sting away.

That said, if your sixth sense that she doesn’t like you is related to anything other than the unfollow, that’s worth exploring more. But that would be about whatever you’re picking up on at work, and what it means for your ability to thrive there (and then the unfollow would be a symptom more than the meat of the issue).

2. Is my current degree program harming my job search?

I am going to school for cybersecurity and am expected to have my bachelor’s degree in less than a year! However, I was recently laid off from my previous job as an administrative assistant due to a lapse in funding for my position (I had been there for a few years). I am actively looking for jobs and had an interview last week for a senior office assistant position, but this week I was informed that I was not selected for the position, with the employer stating I having a strong resume. When I went in for my interview, the hiring manager asked about my education, even congratulated me for making it so far, and asked what I wanted to do with my degree. I answered their questions about my schooling and what I wanted to do, but now I feel that is the reason I was passed over for the job, considering the timing for when I graduate. I have asked for feedback after the rejection, but I want to hear what your thoughts are: is being close to graduation with a bachelor’s degree in an irrelevant field in which I’m currently searching for a job a potential deterrent in why I’m getting passed over?

Yes. It might be different if you were getting a degree in something with a less specific professional focus, but very few people go to school for cybersecurity without the goal of working in that field. So employers assume that as soon as you graduate, you’re likely to change jobs — which means they’re likely to lose you in less than a year. Most people hiring for admin assistants don’t want to go through all the work of training you and waiting for you to master the job, only to have you leave a few months later; they’d rather hire someone more likely to stay for at least a few years. (Obviously things change and anyone could end up leaving sooner — but you’re seeming like a particularly bad bet on that front.)

So you’ve got to think about ways to overcome that. It could mean targeting jobs where your schooling will be an asset, or being vaguer about what you’re in school for, or looking for jobs where staying for less than a year isn’t such a big deal, or some combination of all three.

3. Coworkers think I’m Jewish and invite me to safe spaces, but I’m not Jewish

I have a Jewish-sounding last name and dark curly hair, so people often assume I’m Jewish, but I have no (known) Jewish heritage. I’ll casually correct them if it seems like they’re trying to build a connection over a heritage we don’t actually share, but sometimes I’ll just say nothing.

Yesterday, I received an invitation from a very well-meaning colleague (albeit one I don’t know very well) to an informal conversation about the events occurring in Israel. It was VERY clearly meant for Jewish employees, inviting them to a safe space for Jewish employees to come together and process the events. (Note from Alison: The writer shared the invitation with me and it definitely reads like it’s only being sent to fellow Jews.) There are about 40 individuals on the list, and we are a very large law firm (over 600 attorneys alone), so it’s a relatively intimate group.

Obviously, I’m not going to attend; this is not a space for me. But I’m not sure how to respond to the invitation. Is it best to just ignore it? Thank them for the invitation, decline, and offer support? Am I overthinking this?

Ignoring it would be totally fine if you prefer that, but it would also be fine to write back and say, “Apologies if I’m misreading, but I think from your wording this is intended for Jewish employees so I wanted to let you know I’m not Jewish. But I really support you in doing this and hope you’re okay.”

4. Does “no upward gifting” apply if there’s no gift?

At my job over the past year, for each of the executive’s birthdays there’s been a private channel created on our team messaging tool where all employees have been automatically added, asking us to contribute to an e-card for their birthday. This e-card has no way to give gifts, it’s just positive birthday messages and gifs, but it’s only been done for the executives. Part of this might be because the whole process has been run by what I think is the executive assistant to the C Suite. If the context matters, we’re an approximately 300-person company, not some intimate 10-person startup.

My company does an end-of-the-year employee feedback survey, and if this is inappropriate like I feel it is, then that’d be an anonymous way to comment on it.

Does this birthday card only trigger the no-upwards-gifting rule, or am I biased because I tend to worry our company leans a little “cult of personality” around our executives? If it is inappropriate, what’s the most professional message to give that feedback, without sounding like I want these people to have bad birthdays?

It’s not as bad as if they were pressuring you to contribute money toward gifts for executives, but it’s definitely a little ick — it makes the execs look self-important (even if they had nothing to do with setting this up) and like only their life milestones matter, and it creates inherent pressure to “perform” birthday wishes toward people with power over who don’t give you the same consideration back. It also feels a lot more performative than it would if it were being used within a team for everyone within that team; that’s a context where people would probably have more genuine interest in wishing colleagues a happy birthday, whereas it’s pretty unlikely that people give two craps about the birthday of a random exec multiple levels up who they might never interact with. It’s somewhere on the same continuum with that CEO who made everyone watch a slideshow of his vacation; people just don’t care that much about the personal lives of their company’s leaders.

So yeah, if you feel like mentioning it as part of your anonymous feedback, you wouldn’t be off-base to write something like, “It feels like an odd use of power to organize all-staff birthday greetings for executives and no one else. I’d rather see individual teams recognize the birthdays of their members at all levels, not just managers (with no pressure to participate on either side).”

5. I was offered an interview even though they’d already filled the job

I reached the final interview round for a job I was pretty excited about. A few days before my final interviews (four one-hour interviews), I got a call from the recruiter that an offer had been accepted by another candidate and I was no longer in consideration for the role. Having sunk quite a bit of time preparing for the interview (a previous round of interviews, a written assessment, and numerous hours of prep), I was pretty disappointed, but I understood this is par for the course during a job search.

Here is where something came up that I’m not quite sure what the right call should have been. The interviewer said the team wanted to acknowledge that I had already put quite a bit of time into the process, and, as a show of goodwill, they are all willing to still interview me at the scheduled time in consideration for a future role that might open up. I asked a few questions and was told there was no timeline for when an opening would come up but “maybe sometime next year.” In addition, everything I had done so far would remain in my candidacy package and if I decided to forgo the interview now, I would be fast-tracked through the interview process should a future opportunity open up. I decided to decline the interview but thanked the recruiter for their time and said I would appreciate being contacted if an opportunity became available.

My rationale was this: the benefit of doing the interview would have been to get practice and get my name out to key members of the company. However, the huge drawbacks seemed like 1) I would have to take PTO and give up a lot of time to interview for a non-position when I could put that time to either my current job or further job searching, 2) I was concerned that the interviewers would see this as a waste of time and potentially bias them against me (the interview was scheduled for the Friday before a long weekend), and 3) who knows whether I’ll even be job searching when that future role finally opens?

I followed up with some close mentors afterwards and their opinions were mixed. Some thought I should have gone for it because I had already earmarked that time to interview, done the prep, and “you never know what can come of it.” Others agreed it would’ve been a waste of time and effort and even if I had done well, there was no reason for the company to lock me in as a front-runner for a future position. I know I’m curious what your advice here would be.

Yeah, I wouldn’t have done it either. It sounds like they were offering it mostly out of guilt for short-circuiting your interview process at the last minute, not out of any strong desire to have substantive conversations about a future job. I could maybe see doing it if you hadn’t interviewed with them at all yet, because that could be a chance to get to know each other and explore future possibilities … but you’ve already met with them. I’m skeptical that enough good would come out of doing a non-interview to warrant the time and energy.

work doesn’t interest me anymore

A reader writes:

Later this week, I’ll be going on a second round of interviews for a position I’m interested in. From what I can tell, it’s a great team and the work directly aligns with how I see my career going. I’m also lucky to know a couple of people who work there now, so I know how things really are on the inside. It’s a step up and in the right direction for me, which is something I appreciate as my current position has felt dead in the water for some time now.

So, why am I not more excited? I don’t know if it’s the after-effects of the pandemic or if my current job has just done a number on me or if I’m less idealistic now that I’m older or what, but I just can’t seem to get excited about the possibility of a new job anymore.

It’s not just this current opportunity that’s eliciting this reaction, either. I’ve been feeling this way for a couple of years now, and if anyone asks me to describe my “dream job” or what I most want to do, I mumble my way through it. I know what I’m good at, and I know what my wheelhouse is, but there’s no specific job or company that would make feel capital E-excited to land.

And that’s mostly okay with me. For the longest time, work took over way too much of my personal life, and I’ve been working hard at creating and maintaining those boundaries for myself. But it now feels like the pendulum has swung the other way, and I would be lying if I said that working 40 hours/week for the next 20+ years of my life without any excitement or real professional fulfillment sounded good to me. It doesn’t.

Is this normal—or to be expected after the last few years? How do I get excited about job opportunities again?

It’s normal. It’s so, so normal.

There’s a reason “I do not dream of labor” has become a meme.

Most people work to live and aren’t especially passionate about their jobs.

Several generations of us have been sold a bill of goods — the idea that we’re supposed to find work fulfilling and rewarding — “do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life,” blah blah blah.

For most people, it’s bullshit! Most people work because it’s a necessary part of obtaining food and housing, not for emotional fulfillment.

It’s also a particular brand of bullshit that’s only been sold to certain socioeconomic demographics. Most of the population is expected to be okay with working for a paycheck! But if you’re from a certain socioeconomic class, work is supposed to complete you. It’s not only elitist and destructive, but also happens to be a really effective way for certain types of organizations to exploit their workers — since if you’re supposed to be there for the passion/prestige/fulfillment, it’s a lot easier to guilt you out of demanding fair pay or reasonable hours or more parental leave.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the pandemic has laid that more bare for you. Or it might be that you just see things more clearly after having been in the work world longer.

But while seeing work for exactly what is it is — a trade of your labor and skills for money — is a good thing, it’s also true that it can feel like giving something up. When you used to find fulfillment and excitement in your work, it feels like loss not to have that anymore. Going to work every day to do something you feel great about boosts your quality of life, makes it easier to stay motivated, and engages your brain in a different way than if you’re just going through the motions. So it makes sense that you’re feeling blah.

It’s striking to me, though, that you’re experiencing this in regard to a job search and not your day-to-day work. That makes me think that you might simply be being realistic that there’s no “dream job” out there … but it doesn’t mean that you can’t find some satisfaction in doing work that you find interesting and are good at.

we ask job candidates, “what salary would it take to turn up happy every day?”

A reader writes:

I work for a law firm and have significant input in hiring (including interviewing candidates). I have a question about how we talk about salary with candidates.

None of the job ads we publish specify a salary range. They say something like, “We have no fixed salary for the position, but intend on making an appropriate offer to the right candidate.” This is true, although we do generally have a rough idea of what is on the table. Each lawyer we hire has a vague position in the hierarchy of fee-earners, meaning we will sort of know the work that will be allocated and the fee-earning potential for the new hire.

Whenever we interview, the person is asked, “What salary to do you need to earn to turn up every day happy, motivated, and not grumbling about money?” Lots of people balk at giving an answer, particularly because a specific figure is required, not a range or a “rough idea.” Sometimes people who have really been caught by surprise are given overnight to think about their answer.

After the interviews, the salary the person nominated is part of the consideration as to who gets the job (although certainly not the main consideration), and once a person is chosen they are offered the job at the salary they nominated.

I can’t decide what I think about this policy. I’ve seen good candidates blow themselves out of the water with numbers far too high — but maybe that’s a good thing, because they would have been unhappy at a lower number. On the other hand, we have hired candidates at numbers higher than we planned because they were a standout candidate and were worth paying out of the range we planned. What do you think?

I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.

my boss made us all attend a session with his therapist

A reader writes:

I need a reality check on whether I should weather the current company storm or jump ship. My manager, Bob, is the owner of the company, and while theoretically has people high up who could push back on him, the reality is that he makes the final decisions on most everything.

Bob has recently decided that the type of work our company takes on needs to drastically shift. This on its own is not an issue; we’ve all had a bit of job scope creep in recent years as a result of the pandemic, and he’d like to refocus on our core skills. The problem, however, is in his delivery.

The entire company received an email several weeks ago that there would be a three-hour, mandatory session with a business coach, who would be discussing the future of the company’s strategy. We all went to the meeting, expecting it to be the typical cheesy strategy sessions businesses like to do from time to time.

The “business coach” began describing his credentials, where it was revealed that he is a therapist by training. He then launched into his three-hour series, which focused largely on the fact that Bob works too much, and that work is affecting Bob’s personal life. Everything about the company restructure was framed in light of how it will make Bob’s life easier and better, with the heavy implication that no one at the company could possibly have it harder than Bob.

It became clear by the way this “coach” spoke that he is, in fact, Bob’s personal therapist who also happens to have some business training, and who Bob hired to give us this message. The session lasted for three hours, and only at the end (after time was up) was anyone asked to speak or give input. After the session, everyone was given a lengthy document describing the new strategy, and required to provide feedback on it.

Bob heard through the grapevine that people were unhappy with the session. Late one night/early one morning on a weekend, Bob sends out a 1,000+ word email in which he explained his reasoning for the company shift, described the company as friends and family, said that the sharing of his personal struggles was in an effort to provide the transparency that apparently had been asked of him, and characterized people’s concerns as complaining about the transparency they asked for. Several days later, this email was followed up by a 10-page document further explaining the reasoning behind Bob’s vision to restructure.

None of the restructure on its own is negatively perceived by any of the employees. But everyone is upset at the implication that we don’t work hard and don’t have our own struggles, and also that we’re now responsible for managing our boss’ emotional turmoil. Everyone is walking on eggshells around Bob, because any pushback on the delivery of this message is met with extreme defensiveness.

What I’m struggling with is that this company used to be a dream to work for — great hours, flexible work arrangements, interesting work, great coworkers, and management that recognized and respected the employees. I can’t tell if this recent shift is some sort of temporary personal crisis that Bob is going through (and dragging us all along with him) or if it signals a bigger problem. Should I keep my head down and weather it or begin my job hunt in earnest?

Bob is walking evidence of what happens when you give yourself too much power and don’t have people around you who will push back when you want to do something bananas.

To be clear, transparency is good! If Bob heard that people wanted more transparency around the restructure, calling a meeting to share his thoughts in person wasn’t a bad idea. But (1) asking his therapist (!) to lead (2) a three-hour (!!) session (3) about Bob’s personal struggles with working too much (!!!) … well, we were just talking recently about how therapists don’t always get work stuff right and holy hell is this is a clear example.

When people want transparency around work changes, it means they want to know the business reasoning, what options have been considered and rejected and why, how the new system will work, and what it means for them, and they want the opportunity to ask questions and have their concerns heard and considered. It does not mean “we need a better understanding of what’s in the CEO’s heart.” It does not mean “talk at us for three hours while centering yourself to the exclusion of everyone else.” It definitely does not mean “bring in your therapist to lecture us and then get defensive when people don’t like it.”

As for what to do from here … to what extent is this out of character for Bob versus not terribly surprising? Is your sense that he is generally a steady hand at the wheel and this was one misstep, or is it part of a pattern of missteps? Are the things that made you previously describe the company as a dream to work for still true, or have those things been on their way out for a while? The answers to those questions should point you in the right direction.

Either way, though, it wouldn’t hurt to start job-searching. You don’t need to leap at the first offer you get — or any offer, for that matter — but when things seem like they might be going bonkers around you, it’s useful to do some of the groundwork to create options in case you need them.

Read an update to this letter

boss says we can’t celebrate birthdays, I don’t want to swap work with my coworker, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My boss says we can’t celebrate birthdays because of one employee’s religious beliefs

I’ve recently started a new role and so far, I’m loving it. My manager seems to be reasonable and I feel supported. But a situation on our team feels odd and I’m not sure how to navigate it. It’s important to note that I don’t think there is any ill will in this situation, and everybody means well.

My coworker Susie belongs to a religion that doesn’t celebrate any holidays or birthdays, and she doesn’t recognize holidays or the birthdays of coworkers. This usually isn’t an issue, but a few weeks ago, the birthday of another coworker came up. As it was a decadal birthday, two other coworkers, Erica and Jackie, got some cake for her. Our manager said it was a sweet idea, but she didn’t want us to get a card or sing “happy birthday” as she didn’t want Susie to feel excluded. Erica and Jackie are livid that “birthdays are ruined” because of Susie and said they want to talk to our manager again about this.

I’m not sure what’s the best way to proceed. On the one hand, inclusion is a topic dear to my heart and I don’t want Susie to feel uncomfortable or excluded. On the other hand, I think it’s a nice gesture to celebrate a team member’s birthday by singing, signing a card, and bringing cake. Usually I would just ask Susie how she feels about it, but our manager instructed Erica and Jackie to not talk to Susie about her religion. What is your take on this — should we ban birthday celebrations to make sure nobody feels uncomfortable and risk coworkers “blaming” Susie for not being able to celebrate birthdays or should is it okay to expose Susie to some degree of birthday recognition?

Your manager is off-base. I appreciate that she wants to be sensitive to Susie, but it’s fine to celebrate birthdays in your office as long as you’re not celebrating someone’s against their will (so don’t celebrate Susie’s) and as long as you’re not forcing participation from people who don’t want to participate (so don’t insist Susie take part in someone else’s birthday). Susie would almost certainly tell you the same thing — and it’s a problem that your manager has banned anyone from asking her and instead is making decisions on her behalf without asking her directly what she prefers.

One option is to talk to your manager and say, “Could you ask Susie how she prefers we handle this, rather than deciding for her? My strong suspicion is she’ll be fine with us celebrating birthdays as long as she’s not expected to participate and as long as we don’t celebrate hers.” If your boss won’t budge after that, in theory you could ask HR to intervene if you feel like spending the capital (which may or may not make sense, depending on how strongly your team feels about this — but if Erica and Jackie are blaming Susie for “ruining” birthdays, someone may need to, since that’s not going to go anywhere good).

2. My coworker wants to send greeting cards to our houses

I suppose we can all agree that pre-Covid there were some office trends that were harmless but didn’t translate so well to remote work. Popping by one’s cube for a chat, for instance, is more acceptable than popping by one’s home office unannounced.

We have a new team member who is into greeting cards, but is asking people for their home addresses so she can mail them directly since we’re all remote. I’m one of those people and got a “you’re amazing” card for no reason other than the normal onboarding time I spent with her. Now she’s asking me and others if we want to put our names on cards she mails to other people for things. One is a condolence situation when the office already sent a card and gift on behalf of everyone, and then another is Boss’s Day — things that, were we in the office, might not be a big deal, but feel like they cross a line into home life now that we’re remote.

It\s harder to keep personal and professional life separate when you have a coworker who clearly misses the casual chatter/work friendships of an in-office setting. She’s also invited me to hang out on weekends and tried to friend me on social media, both of which I’ve declined. Everyone probably has a different set of boundaries when office work moved to remote, but how do you know which are appropriate and which are inappropriate, and how do you best communicate your preferences yet keep a good working relationship if “appropriate” is a gray area?

When she asks for your home address so she can send you cards: “Oh, no thanks, I prefer not to receive anything at home.” (It sounds like it’s too late for that now, but if she keeps up a steady flow of cards, it’s fine to say at some point, “Thanks for the cards! I prefer not to receive things at home, so I’d be grateful if you’d switch to email or Slack for anything going forward.”)

When she tries to organize a card for something that’s already been taken care of: “We normally do official things from the office; Jane is in charge of sending cards and gifts on behalf of the team. I would rather keep it that way so those things are company efforts and company expenses rather than personal ones.”

Friending coworkers on social media is pretty common so that wouldn’t alarm me (although plenty of people choose not to and it’s fine to ignore the request or explain that you don’t mix social media with work). It’s also fine for her to extend social invitations for outside of work as long as she doesn’t push when you decline. If she continues to ask, explain you’re not usually available on weekends because of your schedule.

To the broader question about boundaries in general: The most important things are that you feel comfortable asserting your own boundaries and that your coworker respects them once you lay them out. If the latter doesn’t happen, that’s a different situation — but so far, it sounds like a situation where you just have to be slightly more direct about what you are and aren’t up for.

3. How to answer, “Is there anything in the job description that gives you pause or would be a big learning curve?”

I’ve been interviewing for jobs, and more than once I’ve been asked, “Is there anything in the job description that gives you pause or would be a big learning curve for you?” These are positions I am fairly well qualified for, so I don’t think the question is about my resume not matching with the job description. I’ve typically replied something along the lines of, “Well, the X work will be slightly new for me, but I am confident in my A, B, C abilities that are also part of this role because of 1, 2, 3.” Is there something I’m missing as a part of this question, or a better way to answer it? I try to sound confident but not cocky.

I don’t love that answer. They’re asking about potential challenges and you’re using it as a way to pivot to talking about your strengths. Some interviewers won’t mind it but some interviewers, like me, will be annoyed. I’d rather hear something like, “X will be new for me — I’m usually pretty quick to pick up new software, but how much learning curve have you typically seen people have with it?” or “I’m curious about how much of the job is doing Y” or “Z is the least familiar to me; how have you seen others approach that when they’re new to it?” or something that engages in a more genuine way with what they’re asking and doesn’t take you right into sales mode.

4. I don’t want to swap work with my coworker

I work in a small office in a client-facing role. Recently, a few of the more interesting projects for clients I’m assigned to have been given to our client service manager. From what I understand, she has requested this type of work. Typically, she works on more operations type responsibilities, including billing and reporting. This was frustrating to me, as this type of project is one of my favorite parts of my job. Further, some of the client service manager’s projects have been assigned to me as a result, so she can take on the projects that I otherwise would be doing.

How do I tactfully bring this up with my manager? I’ve received great feedback, specifically on this type of project. I’m concerned some of more tedious and messy admin type work is being assigned to me because I’m good at it and there have been some performance issues with this client service manager. Normally, I’ve never been the type to say “that’s not in my job description,” but I’m starting to feel some serious resentment as a result of this situation.

Talk to your boss! She may have no idea you feel this way and, if she’s a decent manager, should be receptive to hearing it. Say something like: “I really enjoy doing projects like X and Y — they’re some of my favorite parts of my job. Lately we’ve been giving more of that work to Jane, while giving me parts of her role like Z — which I hadn’t anticipated being part of my role. It’s important to me to continue being the main owner of things like X and Y and ideally keep Z with Jane. Could we revert those responsibilities back to how they’ve historically been?”

5. Can my company force us to CC higher-ups?

If you wish to communicate with your supervisor and get their opinion of a situation, can the company force you to CC the supervisor’s supervisor? I understand if I share a concern and the supervisor says it needs to go to a higher level or they don’t have an answer, so they wish to consult a more knowledgeable source. But sometimes, you just need a little guidance without all the bells and whistles. So can they make you include the upper management?

Yes, they can require that if they want to. It’s an odd choice because it’s almost certainly not a good use of the higher level manager’s time, and it also signals to the lower level managers that they’re not trusted to handle anything on their own … but the company is allowed to run things that way if they want to.

If that’s the practice in your workplace, the way around it is to put fewer things in email and instead talk in-person (or over the phone, etc.).

the weaponized allergy, fire drill Daryl, and other stories of strategic incompetence

Last week we talked about weaponized incompetence, and here are 17 of my favorite stories you shared.

1. The Diet Coke

My first job out of college I was the only woman on a small team of other guys who were also fresh from college. They tried to get me to make the coffee. Convo went something like this:
“Why don’t you ever make coffee?”
“I don’t drink coffee.”
“Well, WE all drink coffee, if you made some occasionally it would be nice.”
“Does this mean you’ll start bringing me Diet Cokes to be nice?”
“Maybe.”
“Okay, when that happens then maybe I’ll make a pot of coffee.”

Never got a DC from those boys, but they never bothered me about it again either.

2. The allergy

Someone in my office is suspected of weaponized allergy to mold, carpet glue, and dust. She changed offices three times because “something is just getting to me” in this part of the building. She now has a lovely office with a fireplace (we work in an old house) and a balcony overlooking a luscious green lawn and hedges. Interestingly, there does not seem to be any mold, carpet glue, or dust there.

3. The duo

My boss is great, but is nearing retirement and spent most of her career in federal government service, where tech updates were not the priority. I don’t know if this is weaponized incompetence exactly, but I get away with a lot by pretending I’m just as clueless about technology as she is. For example, she mentioned not really understanding Teams and whoops, neither did I! I didn’t explain to her that if she had the app open she’d be able to see my activity status in Outlook … and now she never uses it and I can take long lunches/midday walks/etc without worrying that she’ll see that my dot went gray. Another time I was having laptop issues and couldn’t get into the office to fix it until the next day. Before I could say that I would just log in on the firm’s virtual desktop from my personal laptop, she said, “Oh well, guess you can’t work today.” I shut my mouth and said, “I guess not!”

(Obligatory caveat that we have a great working relationship and none of my white, incompetent lies create a burden for her – just a little more free time/a little less surveillance for me).

4. The coffee

As a middle-aged woman in engineering, I’m utterly baffled by the coffee machine and dishwasher. I only make coffee when I’m the first person in the office, and I make it 1.5x strength. No one has noticed that there’s fresh coffee when I’m the first person in, but I’m helpless to make it through the day. I’m also ruthless about sending people to the admins to solve their problems rather than trying to be helpful.

5. The art skills

This is from way in my youth, but here goes: in high school, I ended up on my home country’s equivalent of the student council and, once on it, was put in charge of all things art – signs, posters, decorations etc around the school. Which in practice ended up being 10% me overseeing somebody else making art and 90% me making ALL THE ART. Tried to leave after a year, but was told I had to stay on and keep making the art, which I did till I graduated.

Mentioned it to a few people when I started college and spent most of my five years there being on a team of 2-3 people responsible for making ALL THE ART in the dorm building. Signs, posters, etc. We are talking a tower 14 floors tall with 16 suites and several common areas on each floor. It got exhausting fast.

Started my first job out of college, in an IT department of a large manufacturing plant, and not even two weeks into the job, I had two young women approach me saying that they were on the (forgot the name of it … something employee-engagement-like?) committee and did I know how to draw? DID I KNOW HOW TO DRAW? I smiled and said Nope! and that was the end of my poster-making career. I’ve done some of it in my later years, but for myself (made a sign for a protest I was attending, painted the large rocks embedded in the curb strip next to my house, etc.) but never was anyone able to rope me into doing it for a job or similar on a volunteer basis ever again.

6. The weaponized competence

I did this to get out of auditing purchase card transactions at work (it’s not my job, I was just pulled in because the team that was in charge of it was drowning in work and I’m known to be very efficient/a fast worker with little to no training). I did not like doing this.

Company policy is that any employee with a purchasing card must provide all receipts of transactions, and if receipts are missing too many times the card will be revoked. (Example: missing one $5 receipt in the span of 6 months will just be a gentle warning, while consistently not having receipts, especially for bigger purchases, will definitely get the card revoked, with a sliding scale between the two points; there was also an approved vendor policy, no alcohol policy, etc.)

The CEO’s expense report landed on my desk. It was missing tons of receipts, with random high-cost expenses without explanation (think $3000 at a sports arena in alcohol and food and ticket costs). I took my red pen to that thing and attached company policy to it. Said it couldn’t be processed because of missing items, highlighted that it was turned in late too. I had already done similar things to the VPs and CFO. They’re the ones that made the policies, they should be examples of how to abide by it, right?

I was politely informed that I would no longer be doing this work after the CEO came down on the CFO and VP for allowing someone to step to him because he couldn’t do the simple thing and provide his receipts.

7. Fire drill Daryl

I worked in a hospital registration department back when I was in college. It’s very fast-paced and sometimes you’re coordinating life flight helicopter landings and incoming casualty ambulances at the same time. Even for a small college town it was an intense job.

“Daryl” worked there for about a decade by the time I was there. His mom was some high-up’s executive assistant so he couldn’t be fired. One phone line was dedicated for incoming casualties to the ER and it would literally blare an alarm, flash red, and light up the whole office. ER coordination was an in-depth task that took about half an hour and required a lot of focus. It wasn’t bad and it made the day go faster. One day he just sat there while it was ringing and then walked away. When we asked him why he did that, he replied, “Oh, I didn’t know what it was. I thought it was a fire drill so I left and went home.”

8. The apps

The times I’ve deployed it are all around defending boundaries in my pushy nonprofit, usually around things they’d like me to do on my personal phone without offering me any money. I already use my own devices for most of work, and being “unable” to get certain apps to work — either not downloading them or claiming I don’t seem to be able to work them — gets me out of more boundary-pushing (requests lately include, downloading our office’s banking app on my phone — which would now leave me as the only person who can handle checks outside of office hours (I am in communications, not finance) or being unable to take zoom meetings from my car while driving to other meetings (oh darn) or not being reachable via slack outside of hours for minutiae. It’s so unfortunate that I have this crappy old phone that just doesn’t work well!

9. The potlucks

Weaponized/strategic incompetence is the males in my department not being able to find or figure out how to set up the plates/cups/silverware (all disposable) for our mandatory monthly potlucks OR being able to clean up afterwards because they must do XYZ immediately.

There are labels on every drawer and cupboard. They are reminded during every pot luck to clean up … NOPE. They will not do it.

Now the ladies make sure not to tidy up after a potluck and sometimes things will sit for days, but we grit our teeth and hold firm.

One dude even admonished my female colleague that his crockpot had been sitting in the sink for three days and had not been washed. She told him the soap was in the cabinet under the sink and he could wash it whenever he wanted. I hate mandatory potlucks.

10. The black hole

I’m in a non-client-facing role. The CEO, President, and JD are all in agreement that I am not in a public or client-facing role.

My email and phone are black holes for anyone outside my organization. Emails get deleted before the inbox. My phone won’t ring if the number isn’t whitelisted. If you find my cellular number, the texts fail to route. My voicemail isn’t set up on any system. For all intents and purposes, I do not exist to the outside world.

Any time anyone tries to pass an external person off to me, it fails miserably and they have no alternative but to do their actual job. I’ve had to demonstrate unabashed remorselessness. When asked, I simply shrug and say “All I know is that I wasn’t hired for a client-facing role.”

11. The video calls

For YEARS, I managed to not be capable of online video conferences. Right up until COVID, in fact. After that, everyone had to transition, so I had to as well. Before then, though, I successfully avoided work video calls for over 10 years.

Reader, during this time, my husband worked overseas on and off for 3 years, and we had regular video calls.

12. The typing

I was one of only three female engineers. It was the early 90’s and the organization had decided that engineering admins were a waste with everyone having emails and computers, etc. and all of the engineers would have to do their own typing, etc.

A mid-level engineering manager tried one by one to make us his unofficial admin “since he never learned to type.” None of us worked for him and all of us told him we had never learned to type either so couldn’t help him. (As we turned our backs and started typing our own work.)

It was a battle of weaponized incompetence. Eventually someone left a copy of Mavis Beacon on his desk.

13. The lazy director

I worked for a director who would constantly send me last-minute requests for things that were not in my area of responsibility. I have enough general knowledge about the organization to be dangerous, so I could usually drop everything and put it together for him by the end of the day. I found out these were tasks he was supposed to produce, which he had forgotten about, and he would submit my work as his own (no changes at all) and blame me for turning it in late.

After I found out, I quit doing them. I would respond blandly with, “I’m sorry, that’s outside my area and I wouldn’t have any idea how to do that…” I wouldn’t even direct him to the right person or department. Eventually he was fired, and after he left we found a stack of similar assignments from the head of the organization that had never been completed.

14. The notes

One of my favorite days at work ever was when a new mid-level (male) manager turned to the only two women in the meeting and asked which one of us was going to be taking notes. Both of us were higher on the org chart than him (just different departments) and as a team lead it is part of his role to ensure that any meetings he chairs have a note taker (as in, he was supposed to bring one of his admin people with him to take notes or do it himself).

I was only one level above him but the other woman was exec team level with no one above her but the CEO and owner. She asked him to step outside with her and when they returned he was beet red and asked if anyone in the room objected to him recording the meeting so he could have them transcribed by his admin team afterwards. I still get a little serotonin from that memory.

15. The notes, part 2

For a while, I was the only woman on a leadership team. We got a new grandboss, who, while also a man, was actually fairly sensitive about this kind of stuff. (I later found out that his daughter was a professor at our state university’s business school and was writing a book about gender dynamics in the workplace. I guess he was listening when she talked at Thanksgiving!)

About two months into his tenure, he interrupted a meeting to ask, “Is there a reason Lizzianna always gets volunteered to take notes?” After some sputtering, someone finally said, “She just takes the best notes. Ours are chicken scratch and no one else understands them when we send them out!”

To which my grandboss said, “Well, that sounds like a developmental opportunity for you all.” And he put out a rotating schedule for note taking and specifically instructed me that I was not to volunteer to take on someone else’s week without his explicit approval.

The note taking had been bothering me for months, but I had been choosing my battles, that wasn’t one I’d decided to take on yet. The truth is, my handwriting is also atrocious, as is my spelling, I was just taking the time to type up and edit my notes, because that’s what you do when you’re the notetaker in a meeting.

16. The Word functions

Early in my work life, I worked in a secretarial office (5 of us, each assigned 4-6 professors). I loved using every available Word function to save time and effort especially on tasks done multiple times each semester (ex. merging long lists into letters and envelopes). But several coworkers always pretended to “forget” how and wanted my help to basically do it. This got old fast, so I started “forgetting” how too. I might have just done a big merge in am, but forgot how after lunch.

Technically, no one believed me but those lazy coworkers were also too chicken to call me on it – as was our supervisor so she & they would do things manually.

17. The tracking software

My department head has limited power around policies. So technically, we’re all supposed to be working from the office with no flexibility and very little vacation time. But the tracking software is complicated. So complicated that the department head, a senior software engineer, can’t figure out how to work it. And he certainly can’t expect the managers to figure it out if he can’t. So while he’s figuring that out, we should use the honor system and take the vacation that we need without worrying about it. For now, as long as we do our jobs, he won’t penalize people.

It’s been 10 years and who knows how many software changes. I appreciate him.

should I suggest my employee with mobility issues get a different job?

A reader writes:

I run a small call center, which is on the third floor of a building without an elevator. Due to the nature of our phone system and the job, we cannot offer employees the option to work from home, nor do we have any other locations.

We have an employee who, from a work standpoint, is a good employee. He has good numbers, he gets good reviews from customers, and he doesn’t miss work. But I’m concerned about him from a health and mobility standpoint. He uses two canes and is significantly overweight. When he arrives to work, it takes him a solid 10 minutes to get up the stairs and at least 20 to 30 minutes to catch his breath from walking up the stairs, and he moves extremely slowly around the office and is clearly in pain. I have found myself more than once worrying that he’s going to have a heart attack or fall down the stairs when he’s moving around.

He has health insurance, so I assume he utilizes his doctor, and he doesn’t complain about the stairs so I recognize that this problem is mostly in my head. I keep wanting to recommend that he find a position that doesn’t require him walking up two flights of stairs each day, to help him put less stress on his body. But I also recognize that I’m not his doctor and there are no actual issues for me to address. Should I say something or just let this guy be until he decides it’s an issue?

I answer this question — and three others — over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.

Other questions I’m answering there today include:

  • Office parties where the destination and activity are kept secret
  • Male coworkers apologize for swearing around me
  • Recruiter approached me, now wants a resume

I lied to get out of a non-compete, and now it’s coming back to haunt me

A reader writes:

I work in a medical/social services field, in which most employers are nonprofit organizations (think along the lines of a blood bank). My first company, a nonprofit in a mid-sized city where I worked from 2009-2012, required all employees to sign a non-compete agreement that prohibited us from working for the same type of company or any of our partner organizations (say, a medical research company we collaborated with, the lab that performed our serological testing, etc.) anywhere else in the state or within X miles of the state’s border for two years after separation. (This contract seemed, and still seems, bonkers to me. Most employees made under $40k/year doing community-oriented work for this nonprofit. We didn’t have access to top secret info or cutting edge tech. We were regular I-want-to-make-a-difference nonprofit idealists.)

I was in my 20s and wanted to move to a major city within the same state and continue my career. I consulted with an attorney about the non-compete and she agreed it was probably unenforceable due to how restrictive it was, but she couldn’t guarantee I wouldn’t be sued. So I went to the executive director and lied. I said my mom, who lived in the major city, was terminally ill (she was not; in fact, she remains healthy as a horse and I hope she continues to), and I wanted to move closer to my parents. I explained that I would like to continue my career and asked for his blessing to do so without fear of a lawsuit. He agreed not to pursue legal action against me as long as I did not work for the same exact type of organization. I moved, got a new job with a different type of organization in the same broad field (think human breast milk banking), didn’t get sued, and had a nice few years in the city.

Recently I moved back to the original mid-size city. A director-level job opening just came up with the original organization. I now have a master’s degree and nearly a decade of managerial experience. I’m a perfect fit. The pay is great, especially for the area, the work sounds interesting, and I’m still passionate about the industry. I really liked working for this organization, aside from the bonkers non-compete agreement. I applied and was granted an interview, which is coming up next week.

So here’s my question: am I about to commit a huge mistake by interviewing with a company I totally lied to? If asked directly, how will I — or should I even– explain that my mom is not in fact dead (as she should be 11 years after receiving a “terminal diagnosis?”). I should never admit I lied, right? In my defense, I only did so because I needed to keep working, and I’m now 14 years into my career and I still earn under $60k/year, so it’s not like I’ve been laughing all the way to the bank since I told The Lie. If it helps, I never disclosed anything about the organization to any other entity (not that I had any information to disclose).

First, for the record, I’m not happy about the lie. (I am also way too superstitious to ever make up that sort of story, as I am convinced karma would promptly make a loved one sick, but if you aren’t burdened with that kind of superstitious thinking, more power to you.)

But your non-compete was ridiculous and overreaching, and it was unethical for the organization to try to bind you to those terms — more unethical, I’d argue, than your lie, given that they were trying to restrict your ability to earn an income and work in your chosen profession without any legitimate cause.

When employers — who are acting from a position of greater power than their employees — overreach, they’re asking for people to be dishonest with them, because that’s often the only power workers have to level the playing field. (See also: saying you have no plans to leave when your boss asks if you’re job searching, even if you’re actively interviewing.)

So while I don’t love the lie, I understand why you resorted to it: your employer was wrongly trying to constrain your ability to work. In fact, because most non-competes overreach and harm workers, the federal government has proposed outlawing them altogether and some states have already banned or heavily restricted them.

As for what to do now … at this point it’s likely to hurt you to come clean. “I deliberately lied to garner your sympathy so I could get out of a legal agreement” carries a very high risk of torpedoing your candidacy. All you can really do if you’re asked about your mom is to say, “She’s doing great — she’s had a much better outcome than we’d feared.” That’s a thing that happens (hell, it’s happening to my family right now, although my mom still has a terminal diagnosis) and it’s very unlikely that the company will go poking around in the details. And really, 11 years later, they may not even remember much about it. You will almost certainly be fine.

Don’t lie about family members being ill again though! This was your freebie.