7 questions to ask yourself before asking for a raise

Thinking about asking for a raise? Before you do, make sure that you’ve positioned yourself as strongly as possible for a yes, by asking yourself these seven questions.

1. How long have I been in this job? Typically you should be in a job for one year before you ask for a raise. Exceptions to this are if the job changed dramatically or if your responsibilities have increased far beyond what was envisioned when you were hired. In a situation like that, it could be reasonable to revisit the question of your compensation. But in most cases, you should wait until you’ve been employed for a year before you ask for a raise.

2. When was my last raise? Once again, the answer is one year. Typically it’s reasonable to ask for your salary to be reviewed annually, so if you got a raise six months ago, you probably have another six months to wait before you can reasonably ask again. (Of course, the exceptions above apply here too.)

3. How has my value to the company increased? A raise is recognition of that your value to the company has increased; it’s an acknowledgement that you’re now contributing at a significantly higher level than when your salary was last set and that you should be compensated accordingly. So a compelling argument for a raise will be built around that question – not around your own increased expenses, or just the fact that a year has passed, or anything else not related to the value of your work. And speaking of the value of your work…

4. Do I know what the market value is for my work? Understanding the market value for your work – meaning what jobs similar to yours are paying in your geographic area – is one of the most important things for you to know, because it will dictate what size raise you can reasonably ask for, as well as whether you’ll seem in touch with market trends or unrealistic about you could earn if you went somewhere else. The better sense you have of the going rate for your work, the stronger position you’ll be in.

5. Am I exceeding expectations, or simply meeting them? Your chances of getting a raise increase the more your manager values your work. If you’re simply getting by and meeting expectations but not going above and beyond, a cost-of-living adjustment to your salary might be the best you can hope for. But if you’re in the top tier of performers on your team, your manager is far more likely to go to bat for you to get you a sizable increase – because she’ll be highly motivated to retain you and make sure you don’t jump ship.

6. Is this the right time to ask? If the company is going through a merger or laying off your coworkers, or otherwise in a rough financial period, they’re likely looking for places to cut costs, not add them. You don’t want to look insensitive to that. Plus, companies often freeze salaries during difficult financial times.

7. Do I know what I’ll say if my manager says no? Hopefully, when you ask for a raise, you’ll hear a yes. But you might get turned down, and you don’t want to be caught unprepared if that happens. Figure out what you’ll say in that case so that you’re not put on the spot. For instance, you might ask what you’d need to do to earn a raise in the future and what a reasonable timeframe for that would look like. And whether or not you’re happy with that answer, you’ll be better off for being armed with that information.

I originally published this at U.S. News & World Report.

my boss is obsessed with treating me like a millennial

A reader writes:

My boss seems to be hung up on the idea of me being a “millennial.”

A few months ago my boss, who is in her upper 50’s, told me she purchased a few books about “millennials” so she could understand how I think and communicate. We’re an office of three and I’m 25 and the youngest person she has ever managed, besides the occasional intern. At first I was flattered, I thought it seemed like a nice effort to help bridge our differences. Then a few weeks ago I accidentally caught an email on the printer where she was discussing the problem of “leading one of her employees who is a classic millennial.”

It seems to be something she is bringing up in conversation more and more often, and I get the sense that she is using it to categorize me and judge me in ways that aren’t positive. We’ve had our differences and I’ve struggled personally to work with her. I don’t see her as a very capable or competent leader, although I keep those thoughts to myself.

Personally, I don’t appreciate being labeled this way. Should I approach her and ask her to stop referring to me that way or should I just let it drop? What do you think about “millennials?” Is the concept of generalizing an entire generation based on perceived stereotypes effective?

It’s true that the influence of trends in things like parenting, pop culture, and education create common value systems that broadly distinguish people growing up in a particular time from people who grew up at different times. And it’s also true that some things are more commonly true of particular age groups than of others (for instance, 22-year-olds are less likely to have a skillful command of office politics than 48-year-olds; that’s true of today’s 22-year-olds, and it was true of 22-year-olds 30 years ago). But these are generalizations. As with any generalization, you can’t just assume that they’re true at the individual level. That’s the whole thing about generalizations. Assuming they apply at the individual level is wrong-headed, obnoxious, and ineffective.

So … taking an interest in how changing social norms have created different values and orientations in particular demographics is fine. It’s interesting and useful in some contexts. But deciding to see one particular person through the lens of their generation and tailoring all your interactions with them accordingly is ridiculous.

Which means that your boss is being inane here. It’s really not that different than if she told you that she purchased some books on astrology so that she could understand how to manage Scorpios.

As for what to do about it … Is she someone who reacts reasonably well to feedback? If so, you could consider saying something like this: “Jane, I’ve noticed you’ve mentioned millennials a lot in reference to me. I’ve done a lot of reading about generational differences, and my sense is that while there are some interesting broad trends about my generation, much of it doesn’t apply to me or plenty of my peers. I’m a little unnerved to think that I’m being related to as a particular generational type, when I’d so much rather be related to based on what I actually show you of my skills and work habits. I’m sure you would feel the same way if I were seeing you as a baby boomer first and foremost and filtering our interactions through that lens.”

However, you mentioned that you’ve had differences with her before, so it’s possible that this will just add to the tensions between you.

If that seems likely to be the case, a different way to go about this would be to simply present a counterpoint to her thinking the next time she brings millennials up. For instance:

Her: “I know that as a millennial, you don’t like to do any work that’s boring.”

You: “Actually, I’ve read that about millennials too, but I’ve never felt that way. I’m actually eager to take on whatever I can do to help, and I know that at this stage in my career, there will plenty of work that isn’t glamorous. I welcome it. In fact, I’ve found a lot of what I’ve read about millennials doesn’t really hold true at the individual level. I know you’re reading about this and finding it interesting — what else have you found?”

From there, see if you can’t get into a deeper conversation with her about this stuff. By delving into this area that she clearly finds fascinating and relating your own experiences versus what’s supposed to be true of your generation, you might broaden her perspective a bit. If nothing else, you’ll have at least signaled that the very person she’s applying all this theory to doesn’t think it fits.

returning to work after 10 years as a “kept woman,” should I let my manager know about my crippling anxiety, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Should I let my manager know about my crippling anxiety?

Over the past two or three years, I seem to have developed a crippling case of social anxiety in certain work situations (namely, talking in meetings) to the point where if I’m asked to share an update with the group or even introduce myself, I have a panic attack, start trembling, quite literally can’t speak, etc. I’m mid-level career-wise and am not sure why this has started (other than some traumatic experiences in a past position at another company), but it’s becoming a real problem. I’m afraid I won’t be able to advance my career if I can’t talk in meetings, give presentations, etc. So far I have done a fairly good job covering it up (saying I had to go to the bathroom when really I was hyperventilating outside the suite) but know I can’t keep this up.

In addition to wondering if you or anyone has any advice on overcoming this, I also have been wondering if this is something I should share with my manager. On one hand, it might give him insight to what’s going on with me in these situations. But on the other, I’m afraid I’ll be marked, intentionally or not, as someone who can’t handle the stress of more responsibility, a promotion, etc. I know I’m great at what I do but am afraid I’m going to sabotage myself.

Get professional help with this, ASAP. It’s likely to make a huge difference, and if you do it quickly enough, you may be able to side-step the whole question of whether you need to talk to your manager about it or not.

As for the question of whether you should tell your manager what’s going on or not, it depends on (a) whether he’s noticing that something’s going on and (b) what he’s like. If he’s not noticing — and thus doesn’t need an explanation — I probably wouldn’t. There’s just too much potential for it proving to be career-limiting, without enough reason to take that risk. But if he is noticing, and he’s a generally kind person, it’s not crazy to let him know that you’re dealing with some anxiety issues that came up suddenly and that you’re actively working to resolve. But seriously, get yourself to a therapist immediately — as in, stop reading and go set up an appointment right now — because it will make a big difference in your quality of life.

2. Returning to work after 10 years as a “kept woman”

I was unemployed for the past 10 years. I was someone’s “kept woman.” I considered myself a leisure domestic manager with a comfortable monthly allowance from my man. To be honest, I do not feel that I have been missing out on anything from the corporate world at all. Three months ago, I made the critical decision to leave my “husband” for good. I found a decent apartment, moved out of our luxurious house, and returned all his credit cards.

Now I wonder how should I explain my ridiculous unemployment gap to future employers. I have a degree in Tourism Management and worked for 10 years before resigning for my man. I do hope people will be less judgmental, though I am not looking for sympathy. My most immediate task is to find employment to sustain basic living. I am very prepared to take on entry level jobs. Grateful for assistance you can offer.

Well, I wouldn’t go into details with employers about the nature of the relationship; it’s irrelevant, and it’s going to make many people uncomfortable. But you’re basically in the same situation as women who stop working during a marriage and then want to return to work later, and your best bet is probably to frame it that way — that you took time away from work to manage a household but now are ready to return. The bigger issue is going to be competing with candidates who have recent experience, when you don’t — so this advice for stay-at-home moms returning to the workforce might help.

(And for the record, this is why I worry about anyone dropping out of the workforce who might later need to return to it — it is much harder to do later on than if you have a record of steady employment.)

3. My cover letter said I’d follow up in a week, but they don’t want follow-ups

I recently applied for a position with a nonprofit. I submitted my application to a generic email address (jobs@example.com). In my cover letter I said that I would contact them the following week to request an interview. However, on the website for the company they have posted the following message: “Due to the volume of applications received, we regret that we are not able to respond to individual inquiries regarding application status. Only candidates selected for an interview will be contacted. No phone calls please.”

Is it sill appropriate for me to send a follow-up email requesting an interview? I don’t want to pester or annoy a potential employer. However, I also don’t want it seem that I cannot take initiative or follow up when I say that I will do. What are your thoughts on this issue? Should I follow up and request an interview?

Nope. You applied, so they know that you’re interested and would like an interview; that’s what applying communicates. You should stop writing in your cover letter that you’ll contact them in a week about an interview, because that is annoying and unnecessary. If you absolutely must follow up because you can’t stand the thought of saying you’ll do that and then not doing it (although I’d guess that 85% of the people who use that line in their cover letters don’t actually follow up), then you can send one low-key email … but only if you promise to strike that line from your cover letter hereafter.

4. Prospective clients are asking for my resume

I’ve recently been hired by a facility within a university to provide a technical service on a fee-for-service basis. I’ve been emailing clients of the facility to let them know we’re offering this new service and ask if they’d like to meet to discuss their needs. Twice now, I’ve had clients who are happy to meet with me but would like me to send them my CV. Does this seem odd to you? It seems like a weird way for them to operate. I’m not applying for jobs in their labs; I’ve got one here.

It’s not unusual to want to know the background of someone you’re considering contracting with to do work. They want to use your background to assess whether you’re a credible person to offer the service you’re offering, at the fee you’re requesting.

5. Interviewing when obviously pregnant

I’ve recently been laid off by my current employer – leaving me in search of new employment. The kicker is I’m six months pregnant. I’ve read some articles on how to address this issue and I’ve found conflicting answers.

Obviously, if a woman was early in her pregnancy it’s not as much as an issue, but for someone in my situation, it’s a lot harder to hide and the issue of maternity leave poses a threat. I know legally the employer cannot ask about it during the interview or deny you the position because of pregnancy – even though I suspect that might happen in some situation. So how does a potential employee bring it up in the interview? I want to ensure the company that I’m upfront and honest and not hiding anything.

If they’re going to realize you’re pregnant whether you mention it or not, you might as well raise it and address the questions that are likely on their mind — when will be out and for how long? They’re unlikely to ask those questions themselves since they can’t legally consider your answers, but will certainly appreciate hearing your answers. So you might say something like, “As you can probably tell, I’m pregnant. I’m due in June, and plan to take three months off then, but I plan to do X, Y, and Z to mitigate the impact of that.”

Read an update to this letter here.

can I ask for a raise at my 90-day review, how to greet a former employer who fired you, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Can I ask for a raise at my 90-day review?

A few months ago, I received a job offer, and I requested a salary 6% higher than what they were offering. They accepted, and I’ve been working there ever since.

My 90-day review is coming up. I have, in my opinion, done a really stellar job in 90 days. In fact, even though I was hired for a non-supervisory position, I am fully in charge of training new hires. I have also been verbally promised a promotion within the year.

At my review, I would like to ask for a raise. I’m afraid of coming across as greedy since they gave me the starting salary I asked for. But, I believe my performance merits a raise. Also, this is my first time having an official performance review so I’m not really sure what to expect. Can you help me navigate this professionally?

Well, you can’t really ask for a raise after 90 days, no matter how stellar a job you’re doing. They assumed you’d do a stellar job when they hired you — and they assumed you’d do it at the salary you agreed to. You generally need to wait about a year before asking for a raise — asking for it now would look wildly premature and would not reflect well on you! So don’t do that.

The idea behind the 90-day review is to to check in on how things are going and give you some formal feedback about what’s going well and where — if anywhere — they’d like to see you do better. I’d just plan to go in ready to listen to their feedback, and ask for any additional feedback or guidance you think would be helpful. But this isn’t a salary review; it’s a check-in on how your work is going.

2. My coworker said I’d get to go to conference because I’m “a young, cute guy”

In today’s mail, we received an advertisement for a trade show that my company is an exhibitor at every year. I mentioned to a coworker that the city where it is being held looks like fun and that I hope I get to attend again this year. She replied, “Of course they’ll let you go, you’re a young, cute guy and those conferences are full of old women.” I stammered out some response like “Thank you, but I don’t think that’s true,” and then ran back to my office.

It has been bugging me ever since. My current role could easily be part-time, but the company committed to me and created the role for me. Because of that and my general knowledge of the company and industry I often assist marketing with events or even periodic customer visits. I have been second guessing all of that now but don’t know if I should go to my manager and just ask if what was said is true or if I should just try to ignore it and move on.

I think I do an excellent job and work hard, but I’m worried that my reputation at the company is something different. Not sure how to approach it with either my coworkers or my manager.

This is the other side of the letter earlier this week where a guy told his female coworker — who had just made a mistake — that it was a good thing she was pretty. This is good example of why those comments are so damaging; you’re now wondering about your actual value to your company.

I wouldn’t let one dumb comment throw you off though. Is there other evidence that backs up what your coworker said? What do you know about her judgment in general? I’d take this as a stupid one-off from someone with bad judgment in this regard, unless you have other reasons to be concerned.

3. I’m going to grad school right when my boss goes on maternity leave

I found out several weeks ago that I have been admitted for a graduate program. This program would provide me with the training that I need to start a career in a field that I truly love. I plan on accepting the admissions offer.

Simultaneously, my boss announced to our office last week that she’s pregnant. Her due date is right around the date that my graduate program begins. This wouldn’t be a problem except for the fact that she and I are the only two people on our team. If we both leave in August, as we’re currently scheduled to, there will be no one representing our team (and, equally importantly, the directors that we serve).

Is it possible in this situation to make a graceful exit? Should I give my two weeks notice now? I respect that someone new could be trained before my boss and I both leave, but I’m not sure how I can best honor the office’s needs and my own future plans.

Well, the choice isn’t between two weeks notice now and two weeks notice in August. If your employer is reasonable, you can tell them now that you’ll be leaving in August.

That said, does your employer have a history of pushing people out early when they give generous amounts of notice? If so, they’ve set things up so that you can’t really be safe giving more than a minimal amount of notice, unless you’re willing to be told to leave earlier than you planned. But assuming that that’s not the case, and that you have evidence that your employer is reasonable and appreciative of generous notice periods, yes, I’d let them know now what your plans are, so that they can plan accordingly. In addition to being obviously easier on them, it’s better for you too — because if you announce in August that you’re going to grad school, it’s going to be really obvious that you knew months beforehand and didn’t speak up, despite the situation with your boss, which is likely to sour the relationship.

4. How to greet a former employer who fired you

How should one communicate with a former employer who fired you, when you see them in public places? When I see them now, they are cold and or they hurry away. I have worked with them for over 20 years.

I’m guessing that they’re hurrying away out of discomfort — people sometimes don’t know how to behave in a situation like this. Which doesn’t make it okay, but it’s not an uncommon human flaw.

As for what to do, say hello and be pleasant, although of course if they’re hurrying away, you might not get to do more beyond a basic hello — but so be it if that’s their call. Their bad manners are no reason for you not to be civil, though — and you behaving civilly might demonstrate to them that indeed people can maintain cordial relations even after one has fired the other.

5. Am I entitled to copies of my time sheets?

I’m currently leaving my job and was wondering if my boss is obligated to give me my time sheets from the last year if I ask for them?

They’re not obligated to hand them over to you just because you ask. However, if you think you haven’t been paid for all the time you worked and you file a wage claim with the state, the state is likely to subpoena the time sheets.

I’m angry and insulted that my coworkers did my job for me

This was originally published on October 13, 2010.

A reader writes:

I was sent on a business trip overseas for 3 weeks, with 5 people from 5 different departments. Because of some business complications, the timeline for what we needed to do there was super tight. While I understand that and understand that everyone works together and does a bit of everyone’s work where we can help, last weekend, two of the guys (let’s call them E and C) decided to do my job and over the weekend did what I was supposed to produce. They sent it out, saying they took the weekend to do this, when it was clearly my department’s deliverable. I became very, very mad that they did such a thing because I feel they should have at least included me in the discussion since it was clearly my department’s responsibility. 

I sent an email to my manager (who for personal reasons couldn’t make this trip) letting him know of my feelings regarding what had happened. I sort of “went off” – in the email, I stated that I am shocked that this happened and asked what his advice would be. I also met with C the next day and told him that it was insulting to me because it made me feel like I’m not doing what I’m supposed to do, or not pulling my weight.

After a few days of cooling off, I’m starting to think I shouldn’t have sent out the email to my manager. What is your take?  I still think what they did was disrespectful and insulting, both on a personal and professional level, for someone to go right out and do someone else’s work without involving or at least letting them know about it.

I understand why you feel the way you do, but yeah, you didn’t really handle this well — largely because you jumped to the worst conclusion immediately.

Rather than immediately deciding to feel insulted and disrespected, why not start off by thinking, “Hmmm, we’re clearly on different pages, so let’s figure out why.”  Ideally, if you could re-do this, you would have thanked E and C for their help, but also nicely explained that you need to be in the loop when your department’s work is being done — because you might have already been in the midst of finishing it, or because you might have information they don’t have that would impact things, or simply because that’s what you’re there to do. You would have then asked them, “Going forward, does that sound reasonable, or should we handle this stuff some other way?”  And then you would have waited to hear their response with an open mind. Maybe they actually had good reason for what they did, and you might have changed your mind if you heard them out calmly and non-defensively. Or maybe they’d realize they had overstepped their bounds and would agree to work with you differently in the future. But this approach is the best way to get at that in a professional way.

The key to this way of thinking is that you’re not just “mad because they did my work.” You need to go beyond that to explain why that’s a problem (even if the “why” seems obvious to you). That’s how you turn an emotional reaction into a professional one. Otherwise, even though of course division of labor is important and there for a reason, your reaction can sound more like a turf war, that you’re not a team player, etc. You might have completely legitimate reasons for being upset about this — but you have to calmly articulate why this creates a problem, not just fall back on “this was mine to do.”

(By the way, a disclaimer: I’m assuming that E and C really shouldn’t have done what they did — although it’s possible that everyone was supposed to be pitching in on everything. Since I don’t know, I’m assuming the former.)

Your email to your boss was a bad idea for the reasons above. I’d send a follow-up telling him that you overreacted and that you’re going to take a more constructive approach with C and E. Keep it short, calm, and unemotional.

Last, this has to be said too:  It’s worth thinking about why C and E stepped in. Maybe they did your work for innocent reasons (eager to help, on a roll, unclear about division of labor, working on something related and this was natural to include, just not thinking, etc.) … but maybe they did your work because they don’t think you’re going to do it well, or fast enough, or at all. This last possibility is the one that insulted you, of course — but you should ask yourself honestly if there’s any reason for them to think that. The fact that you were so emotional about it might indicate that there’s some truth to it, simply because if you were 100% confident about your work, I don’t think this would have felt as threatening to you. So be really, really truthful with yourself if there’s anything like that going on … and if there’s not, great, but it’s worth taking a look at.

Note from the current-day me: If I were writing this today, I don’t think I’d include that second-to-last sentence (“The fact that you were so emotional about it might indicate that there’s some truth to it”). It’s possible that that’s true, but I think the 2010 me drew too much of a conclusion there.

open thread

IMG_1425It’s the Friday open thread!

The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on anything you want to talk about. If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet, but this is a chance to talk to other readers.

should I have to pay for a networking meeting, my job isn’t what I was promised it would be, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My contact wants to charge me for a networking meeting

Is it normal for someone to charge a client for a networking meeting? I’m currently in the process of looking for a new job and setting up informational interviews with professionals in my chosen area. I emailed back and forth with one particular woman trying to set a time to meet, but kept getting responses from her that we needed to reschedule.

As a compromise, we agreed that I should email her my questions. I sent some typical questions I would ask anyone I meet for an info interview (volunteer opportunities, organizations to recommend, other people I should connect with). In response, I received an email from her saying that once again we would have to reschedule. In addition, she stated that because of her limited time, the only way for her to fit these kind of conversations in would be to charge for them.

Am I overreacting in thinking she should have been more upfront about this? I understand that time and information is valuable, but this is the first time I’ve encountered this request in (what I thought) was a more informal setting.

What! No, it’s not normal to charge for networking meetings! Some consultants do charge to spend some time picking their brains, but it’s rare for it to be for this kind of thing — and when that’s the case, it’s stated up-front; it shouldn’t only come out after multiple rescheduled plans to meet. I’d strongly suspect that she doesn’t actually normally charge for this (which is why she didn’t mention it earlier), but she mentioned it in a moment of frustration from feeling stretched too thin. But that frustration isn’t in any way your fault (from what I can see here); if she didn’t want to meet, she should have just told you that originally, or backed out apologetically once she did realize it. Announcing at this stage that oh, by the way, she’d be charging you for a meeting you quite reasonably thought was free is ridiculous.

2. My job isn’t what I was promised it would be

When I was hired for my current position, I was told my it would be mostly writing with some administrative duties. In reality, the job is minimal writing except for tasks that I’ve taken the initiative to come up with myself and mostly administrative…except it feels more like data entry than anything else. My boss is also a micromanager who wants extraneous information just for the sake of having it, which makes my job even more tedious.

When I was applying for jobs (right out of college), I had several other offers, but took this one based on the information I was given, which was for the most part inaccurate. I’ve become bitter and am beginning to lose my patience, but can’t quit as I have rent and other responsibilities. Is there anything I can do? I am actively looking for another job, but for the time being can I speak to my boss about the discrepancies and my unhappiness with the role?

Sure. I’d say something like this: “When I was hired for this job, we talked about it being most writing, with some admin duties. So far, the job has been about 90% admin without much writing. Can we talk about what changed, and whether there’s a way to reshape my work to look more like what we initially talked about?”

As always with these sorts of conversations, you will get the best results if your tone is calm and you don’t sound frustrated or angry. You want to sound concerned and in problem-solving mode, but not in complaint mode. Not that you’re not entitled to be frustrated; you are. But you’ll get better results this way.

3. I’m friends with the vendor who my coworkers badmouth

How do you handle coworkers bad mouthing a vendor for our office whom I am friends with? They all know this person is my friend (out of the office) yet they make comments like, “he’s an idiot,” or “when is his contract over with us?” All I can do is walk out of the room. At one time, it happened during a staff meeting and I had to sit and listen to them say these things. What can I say? Or do you have a better solution than to walk away?

Well, can you honestly present a different point of view? Or is their assessment pretty much accurate? If it’s basically accurate, there’s not much you can or should do; it’s awkward because he’s your friend, but they’re entitled to think poorly of his work. But if you think you have insight that would give them a different perspective, you could say that — like, “You know, I know he talks a lot and can be hard to get off the phone, but he’s actually really responsive to questions and has really been helpful to me in XYZ” or whatever.

4. Can you be fired for working while off the clock?

I work with a long-time (45 years) associate in retail in a large chain store in California. My fellow coworker clocked out for lunch, following the 5-hour rule that our company has, but stayed on the floor doing some recovery while waiting for a customer to return who she had been assisting for more than an hour. Our department manager approached her and asked what she was doing, and she explained the situation — that she wasn’t helping at the register and was doing some straightening while awaiting her customer so she could finish the sale with him. Our manager returned shortly, asked her to accompany him to the stockroom, and told her that it was a “final warning” that she can’t work through lunch. She took this to mean that she would be fired for this. Is it grounds for termination in California for working while clocked out?

Yes, absolutely. (And keep in mind you don’t need specific grounds for termination; you just can’t fire someone for a reason that’s explicitly illegal, like their race or in retaliation for reporting harassment.)

The reason that working while you’re clocked out is serious is that companies are required by law to pay you for all the time you spend working, whether you’re clocked in or not. And if it goes over 40 hours in a week, they must pay you overtime — again, whether you’re clocked in or not. You can’t waive that right. And if your coworker later decided to sue for back wages for the time she spent working while clocked out, she would win and your employer would be fined. So it’s entirely reasonable that they’re serious about making sure that people don’t work while clocked out — they can get in a lot of trouble over it otherwise.

Giving her a final warning over it is an overreaction, though, unless she’s been warned about this in the past (and maybe she has been).

5. Standing desks and meetings

There’s been a lot of talk recently about the new science relating major health issues (mortality, cancer, obesity, back pain, heart disease and fuzzy thinking, etc.) to sitting for many hours a day. I recently reconfigured my desk so that I can stand at it. Still, I am an outlier in my organization and feel a bit uncomfortable, especially when people come to meet with me in my office. Do you have any suggestions for how to still be seen as “professional” in an office desk job setting, while also minimizing sitting for my own health and well-being?

I want to tell you to just keep standing, but I can see how it could potentially create a weird dynamic if you’re towering over someone, particularly during a long conversation. Sitting down for short meetings with others is one option, obviously, but that might defeat the point, so I’m hoping readers will leave other thoughts in the comments section.

update: how can I convince my boss I don’t speak Spanish?

Remember the letter-writer who was being asked to serve as a Spanish translator for clients, despite not speaking fluent Spanish (#3 at the link)? Here’s her update.

I am the OP who wrote to you a few months ago about being asked to work with a client who speaks Spanish—when I’m nowhere close to fluent. I tried to follow your advice and spoke with the county referring worker, then went back to my manager with information on a variety of interpreter services and was told that we simply don’t have the money for it in our budget. Instead, she suggested I work with a neighbor or another community agency to provide interpreting services. I attempted to do this, but didn’t get very far (turns out it’s hard to convince other people to provide interpreting services when it isn’t their job). I have managed to organize it so I do most of my work with the kids (who are fluent in both English and Spanish) so at least I am able to communicate confidently with them. [Side note: it is considered to be bad practice in my field to have kids provide interpreter services for parents, since the subjects we discuss with parents are of a very personal nature and often not appropriate for children to hear, depending on their age and maturity level.]

Anyway, I have still felt extremely frustrated and upset about this case and about what my agency was asking of me. As some of the commenters guessed, I did indicate that I had basic Spanish skills on my resume, although I was completely honest in my interview that I could not speak Spanish on a professional level. I have since updated my resume and removed it completely, since I don’t want to end up in this kind of position again.

I did discover a silver lining, however! In the last month or so, two additional people have been hired who each speak another language. The director has told me that each of them were told in their interview that the position may require them to provide interpreter services on occasion and both of them agreed without issue. (I was not told nor did I agree to this in my interview, so there’s more evidence that it wasn’t part of my job description). The program director confirmed that I was not comfortable speaking Spanish with clients and then said that our agency needed to hire someone who was fluent. Obviously, I agreed.

In all, although I am still working with this family and communication is still an issue, it seems that I made enough of an impact to create some changes and I doubt that I will be asked to speak Spanish with clients again. Hooray! Thank you again for your advice and all the advice in the comments. It really helped me feel grounded and focus on the big picture.

why can’t I get feedback after I’m rejected from a job? (3 letters, 1 theme)

Three letters, one theme —

1. Did I burn a bridge by demanding feedback from a company that rejected me?

I’m worried that I unintentionally burned a bridge for an organization that I would really like to work for. Recently I had a job interview for a dream job that I wanted really badly. I felt that the interview had gone really well, but I still failed to get the position. I asked for feedback regarding the interview and I got vague stuff, like the successful candidate had more experience or was closer to what they were looking for. I sent an email back to the hiring committee saying thanks for the reply but I would have liked to have some more specific feedback. Specifically, what kind of experience should I be getting more of? What did the successful candidate bring that the other candidates didn’t? How did I present myself in general in the interview?

While I tried as best as I could to respond politely, when I look back on it, I was probably too pushy in soliciting feedback and complaining too much about my frustration with preparing so hard for the interview and still falling short. (I expressed to them my frustration in preparing long hours for the interview and not getting hired and also that I’ve been rejected numerous times in the past by other places and not given an explanation either. I remember saying that I wasn’t challenging their decision but that I wanted to better myself in the future because I was getting discouraged at all the rejections.)

I have had a series of rejections recently for similar positions elsewhere, so I’ve been discouraged and frustrated and could have really used the feedback even though I know they are not obligated to give it to me.

I’m worried that the hiring committee will think I’m being overly pushy and whiny. I’m worried about this affecting my future prospects with this organization. Anything I should do to address this? Should I reply back and apologize to them? Or should I just let it go and not bring it up again as they may have forgotten anyway and why stir the pot?

Yes, it was too pushy. Employers aren’t obligated to give you feedback when they don’t hire you, and many, many employes will fall back on vague statements like “we went with someone with more experience.” Sometimes this statement is true. Other times, there’s a reason that they’re choosing not to share it — because it it would be an awkward conversation, or because they’ve had candidates get defensive and argumentative when they’ve been candid in the past, or because they simply don’t have time to give you the sort of nuanced answer that would truly help you, or because they have a blanket policy of not giving feedback to rejected candidates (usually put in place by an HR department afraid of a lawsuit when a hapless manager tells a candidate something that doesn’t sit right — for example, “we were looking for someone more junior” getting interpreted as “you’re too old”). And all of those reasons are their prerogative.

I know it’s frustrating not to know why you’re not getting hired, and to feel like the only people who could tell you are refusing to. But they’re not obligated to, and sending a message making demands of them is going to make them less likely to. People help people out when they want to do them a favor, not when the favor is being demanded of them. And then add in that you told them that you were frustrated that you spent time preparing for the interview — well, there’s no better way to shut them down. You’re now the unreasonable, somewhat hostile candidate who felt entitled to the job after interviewing for it, and no sensible employer wants to get into that.

As for what to do now, I don’t think writing back and apologizing will smooth this over — I think the damage is done here. That said, it certainly wouldn’t hurt to write back with a short apology, so it’s worth a shot. (But I wouldn’t expect a response to that, so don’t get upset if you don’t receive one.)

2. I’ve had 85 interviews and no job offers and no one will tell me why

I lost my job in February of 2013. Since then, I’ve landed a couple of short-term contract positions at Fortune 500 companies and I’ve been getting freelance work fairly regularly. I feel lucky, but my goal is to land a regular full-time job and I have never had such a hard time landing one in my 10 years as a professional.

I’ve used my network to its fullest extent, and I tailor my resume for each position I apply for and almost always land an interview. In fact, I have been on 85 interviews in the past year and have yet to receive an offer. This is frustrating. I know I am not a terrible interviewer – I was able to land contract positions very quickly at large companies. I dress the part, do my research, and can’t really pinpoint what is going wrong in these interviews. If only it were obvious!

When I get a rejection email or call, I always ask for feedback. I usually get something along the lines of this email: “I thought you were enthusiastic and certainly presented yourself well. I can’t think of any suggestions I would make. You have a lot to offer. Keep at it and good luck.”

Obviously, this is not the answer I am looking for, but this is what I consistently receive. Is there another way I should ask for feedback upon getting rejected for a position?

I did a mock interview at a staffing agency and they also claimed that I interviewed “perfectly” and didn’t have any suggestions. I have asked friends and family to give honest opinions about my appearance and personality. I have spent large amounts of money on haircuts, manicures and clothes to minimize any superficial reasons I could be rejected. I am running out of ideas!

Well, first, stop spending lots of money on haircuts and manicures. No one is getting rejected because they don’t have a perfect manicure or expensive haircut. You want to be well-groomed, yes, but that doesn’t mean you have to pour money into it.

In any case, if you’re getting this many interviews, the problem isn’t your resume or cover letter. It’s either your interviewing skills or your references.

I’d try to do another mock interview — but not with a staffing agency. Their interviews are sometimes surface-level and don’t really go beyond that. Try to find a hiring manager who does a lot of hiring (and note that hiring manager doesn’t mean “manager of hiring,” but rather the manager of a team who does hiring for her own staff) and see if she’ll mock-interview you. You want someone blunt and relatively insightful.

You might also think about whether you had a particular rapport with any of those more recent interviewers, and ask one if you can buy them coffee and pick their brain for 20 minutes about what you can do better. There’s some suggested language in the next answer that you could modify for your situation.

And if you haven’t already, I’d have a trusted, professional-sounding friend call your references and just make sure there’s not something there that’s holding you back.

Read an update to this letter here.

3. Why do employers give such vague feedback?

When I was interviewing for jobs recently, I found that when I was not selected for a second interview, the interviewer (or HR screener) would not give me a clear answer as to why I was not selected. These were positions that I was qualified for (sometimes over-qualified) and felt I nailed the interview and left feeling very positive and hopeful. When they called or emailed me to tell me I wasn’t being considered anymore, I used the opportunity to solicit feedback but I got very evasive and canned answers like “Thank you for your interest. We decided to pursue applicants that were more qualified”. It didn’t seem personalized or real and left me with a very bad taste in my mouth about the company and the staff they employ to screen and hire people. This happened a few times.

Why would companies do this? I realize they’re not obligated to give me any feedback but if you’re a HR professional, why wouldn’t you take a minute to help someone and avoid burning a bridge with a potential applicant? Are they exposing themselves to legal action if they give me an honest answer about my interview performance or skills?

There are a ton of reasons that some companies don’t give feedback, or don’t give it to everyone:

1. They don’t have time. Interviewers are busy, and they’re not job coaches. Providing thoughtful feedback takes time, and it’s not what they were hired to do. Some will give advice anyway—but it’s a favor when they do it, not an obligation.

2. Too many candidates will argue or debate if they get feedback. Ask any hiring manager who has taken the time to give a candidate feedback, and you’ll hear stories of defensive and even angry reactions. Since providing feedback is a favor, many interviewers would just rather not deal with this.

3. Their company prohibits it. Some companies won’t give feedback in case a candidate doesn’t like the explanation and decides the “real” reason must be discriminatory. Plus, if they tell you they’re looking for more experience in X, but they ultimately hire someone without that experience (because she comes highly recommended by a trusted client, or because she just blew them away in the interview, for instance), you might feel lied to. They don’t want to deal with that.

4. They’re not comfortable sharing awkward or personal criticisms with you. If you chronically interrupt, or seemed vaguely angry, or looked unkempt, or just didn’t seem smart enough, or you creeped out the receptionist, most employers aren’t going to want to have that conversation with you. (It’s hard enough to get employers to have tough feedback conversations with the people who actually work for them.)

5. The answer has nothing to do with you. It’s often about another candidate—the person who got the job simply dazzled everyone in her interview, or had amazing experience with widget making, which wasn’t mentioned in the job description but happens to be an area the company is expanding into next year. Or they just liked her better. These don’t make for helpful feedback to you.

That said, some interviewers will give feedback. Your chances of getting it go up if you (a) ask it of people with whom you had a particular rapport with, and (b) do it in a humble and particularly personable way. Most of the time when candidates ask me for feedback, it sounds like a perfunctory request — close to an automatic response that they send everyone. I’m much more likely to take the time to give a nuanced response when someone makes a real connection with me and asks in a genuine way. Look at the difference between these two requests:

What I usually get: I would appreciate any feedback you can give me about how I can be a stronger candidate in the future.

A better approach: “I really appreciated the time you spent talking to me and the insights you gave me into the ___ field. I wonder if I could ask you a favor. I’ve been having trouble getting beyond the interview stage for jobs similar to this one, and I would be so grateful for any advice you could give me on how I’m presenting myself. Are there weaknesses I could work on, or any way I might be tripping myself up without realizing it? I’m really passionate about working in this field and respect your achievements enormously, and I’d be so grateful for any insights you can share with me.”

Try something more like the latter and see if that gets you anywhere. Good luck.

how your cubicle is holding you back

As companies look for ways to cut costs, one fast-growing trend is a move away from private offices toward cubicles and even “open plan” offices where workers sit side by side with little privacy. We talked last week about the specifics ways in which these less private work spaces are getting in the way of your work … and I’ve put together 10 of the stories you shared that I thought really represented the impact of this change — from the people who have to book a conference room every time they need to make a phone call, to the person hiding under her desk for privacy, to the growth of “quiet rooms” for when you need to focus (which apparently isn’t most of the time?).

1. We have to book a room for every call

A couple of years ago, my company switched from traditional offices (for anyone middle management and higher, with cubes for others) to a more open plan. Now only C-level execs have their own offices, though thankfully it’s not a completely open space. 

The planners of the new space failed to consider the vastly increased need for conference room space once you take almost everyone’s offices away. Quick client calls that used to happen in someone’s office now require booking of a room, which means that pretty much every conference room is booked solid, all the time. For those execs who are jumping on the open-office train, please think about the fact that employees need places to meet and be on conference calls without annoying the rest of the office!

2. Designed for two, housing seven

We have a space originally designed to house two people that now houses seven. With one bathroom right in the middle of the space. Three of us sit completely in the open, right on top of one another.

For the three of us in the bullpen, it can be extremely distracting when one or more of us is on the phone. There are times when I flat-out can’t even hear myself think. And my coworker right next to me smacks her lips incessantly, even when she isn’t eating.

Add in having the bathroom in the middle of everything, which really offers no privacy and the occasional massive distraction of stench, and it’s not a productive facility.

We’re hopefully moving this year to have more space and cubicles with partial walls. And men’s and women’s restrooms that aren’t right next to all of our desks. I’m crossing my fingers.

3. No private conversations

We are completely open office. No place to have private conversations – we have once small meeting room but its not really private, anyone can hear if they walk by, and everyone sees you going in there to discuss something private so it ends up raising more curiosity. This is hard when you want to discuss a sensitive matter about a project, client, confidential deal, not to mention performance issues or handing in your notice. A relatively minor matter like wanting to ask the boss’s advice/approval on how to handle a performance situation with someone I manage becomes overblown because I have to email her to ask to speak with her, find time in the room that everyone sees us going into, speak in soft voices, etc. Performance reviews themselves have to be taken out of the office to a nearby lunch place, which brings up an whole other set of issues because its in public, the waiter and neighboring diners can overhear, etc.

4. Why don’t we have “quiet rooms” every day?

We have a “quiet room” where people go when they need to focus. I need to focus every day.

Last summer, there was a project that came up suddenly and needed to be done in a few short weeks. My coworker and I were tapped to do the programming. Because it was so high-profile, they reserved a conference room for us for all 3 weeks and put computers in there. Because we needed to be able to focus. Ummm……shouldn’t we have the kind of workspaces already where we can focus? Why is it only important under certain circumstances, and it’s OK to be barely productive the rest of the time?

5. Hiding under the desk for privacy

I work in an open office and while I love it for interacting with coworkers, it’s also sometimes the hub for gathering, and people don’t take the hint when you’re on the phone. I’ve had to take conference calls under my desk because it was so loud. Once, my boss was even in our office area and saw this, but did nothing.

6.Swearing, humming, sniffing coworker

Open plan office here. And one coworker who listens to drum’n’ bass all day long on his iPod, loud enough for all to hear. Apart from that, he makes constant “noises”: coughing, swearing, humming, “popping,” sniffing, sighing, talking out loud to his computer, you name it, he does it. It drives me mad and it’s one of the reasons I’m seriously considering leaving this office. We’ve of course tried talking to him, but he just gets angry and doesn’t change a thing. Management won’t talk to him.

7. I don’t need to know about your issues with the butcher

I have an office now, but when I first arrived I was in a cubicle near to a secretary with anger issues. She was on the phone all day with personal calls, generally swearing at the person on the other end for some or other small matter (the butcher doesn’t have the cut of meat she wants; the mechanic is not finished with her car; etc.). She also swore and slammed things if the printer ran out of paper – when the refills were right next to the printer. It would have been entertaining if I wasn’t quite so close by.

It was almost impossible to get any work done without earplugs, and sometimes I would go and work all day in the library just to get away from her. It did, though, teach me to take all personal calls outside so as not to disturb others.

8. No assigned work space

We have a progressive office environment in which most people have cubes, very few have offices, and many people don’t even have assigned workspaces at all but rather must “hotel” into spaces when they need to (otherwise they are out on assignment or working from some remote location, or from home).

The downside of it is that you never know who your neighbors will be from day to day, since many of them are hotelers and will change daily. Another downside is if you have an assigned space but are off, traveling or working from home, your space is up for grabs by hotelers — so you might come back and your supplies are missing or the desk chair is the wrong height or there’s a mess. Just came in today from three days working remotely and my PostIt notes were gone.

But the plus side is that you get to meet a lot of new people, and in certain times there are no people around you if no one has “hoteled” into those spaces.

9. Developers need quiet

My last job had the worst office space I’ve ever dealt with. We were in an old two story building. My software developers’ workspaces were facing the outer walls (backs to the center of the room) at what were essentially long tables with 15″ high partitions every 40 inches. Plus we had two people in the middle of the room. As the manager, I got the part of the table that was in the corner, under the leaky part of the roof and termite droppings.

We had hardwood floors, metal partitions, high ceilings, and everyone in the whole company had to walk through our area to get to the conference room — there was an unbelievable amount of noise. Plus we had a CEO who values “collaboration” and couldn’t understand why all the developers preferred to wear headphones and instant message each other instead of talking. 

I can’t believe how much more I get done every day where I am now, and I attribute much of it to having my own office and being in a culture that understands developers are concentrating and quiet without constant interruption helps a lot of them to do it better.

10. Someone who loves an open office

I am in a large open setting and I love it. I feel that people actually show more restraint than in the cube farms I’ve been in before this job. It doesn’t bother me to be interrupted, I have no problem stopping what I do, answering a couple of questions, and picking up where I left off. And no, my work is not mindless stuff, it’s actually non-repetitive. I feel I am a lot more in the know of what is happening in the company, of my coworkers’ projects, and many things get done faster and easier.

I originally published this at Intuit Quickbase’s blog.