all the men I work with go on an annual camping trip together, and women aren’t allowed

A reader writes:

I work at a religiously-affiliated single-sex secondary school in the U.S. (all male). About 65% of our faculty is male, compared with the 35% of us who are female (myself included).

For 40 years, each year after school lets out for the summer, the men who teach and work here organize an all-male camping trip. It is three nights, four days, and it takes place a few hours away from where I live.

The institution I work for does not pay for or outright endorse this annual trip. Women are not invited and would be prohibited from attending. About 40 men attend it each year, including most of the men who retired from the school (even those who retired 10+ years ago).

I dislike this trip on principle. From my understanding, it used to be quite rowdy, with heavy drinking and gossiping about the women who work there (which is definitely a gross and sexist practice). Over the last 10 years, according to my male colleagues (some of whom are my friends), it’s become much more tame, and there really isn’t a lot of gossiping or anything like that. It’s a chance for the men to bond with one another. Since we teach at an all-male school, a high emphasis is put on brotherhood where I work. (No such emphasis on sisterhood.)

Our bosses do not attend this trip, so it’s not like there is a question of networking or face time with administrators. There aren’t really professional benefits to attending, I guess, except that it feels … exclusionary? Which it is. I’ve raised this point to three or four of my male colleagues, who are generally really nice people. They responded by asking me (with genuine sincerity) if I’d even want to attend, if women were invited. I guess the answer is no … camping is not really my thing. Then they say, “Well, don’t worry about it then.”

I’m really struggling to articulate why this trip bothers me, since my employer doesn’t pay for it, it’s not “officially” a work trip (although only employees attend, or are invited to attend), my bosses don’t go, no promotions or networking happens there, AND I dislike the activity in question. But it feels as though women are simply valued less, and generally thought of as people who should be excluded from bonding activities.

For the record, if the school were to force this trip to shut down, there would be a RIOT. People (men) might quit over it. The men describe it as the best four days of the entire year.

Please help me do a gut check here. Is this something worth being upset about? I have worked here for over a decade so I might have lost a sense of what’s normal elsewhere.

It bothers you because they’re saying they see you and other women as Different from them in some fundamental way. It’s injecting sex and gender into a sphere it doesn’t belong in. Sex and gender can matter very much in some situations; they are not supposed to matter in work relationships and at work social events.

It’s a problem even though the trip doesn’t involve extra face time with administrators — because even if no work is ever discussed on the trips at all, the men in attendance are deepening their relationships with each other and building a camaraderie and trust that you will never be permitted to benefit from. Relationships matter at work — they influence who gets turned to for input, who gets extra help, whose voices are listened to and elevated, who get mentored and supported, who’s given grace and the benefit of the doubt (and who isn’t), who’s more comfortable with who, and who gets thought of for a job years from now when you’ve all moved on to other employers. There’s a reason networking with coworkers is valuable, and they’re cutting you out of it in a big way. (I’m sure they’d say you have other opportunities to network with them — but this event sounds like a massive trust-builder and relationship-builder that you don’t get access to because you are without a penis.) They are literally creating a boy’s club where all the men who work together will get to know and trust each other more, and they are deliberately excluding women from that.

It also bothers you because its origins (“heavy drinking and gossiping about the women who work there”) are gross.

And it bothers you because there is a long history of men excluding women from business networking by barring them from spaces where it’s happening (think private social clubs and golf clubs that didn’t allow women) and using spaces where women would be less likely to want to go (think strip clubs). Historically, that has been something that’s kept women on a different playing field than men, both literally and figuratively.

These are all solid reasons to be bothered.

Based on what you’ve said, it sounds like it would take an enormous amount of capital to do anything about it and your chances of success might be low. But you’re not off-base in having a problem with it.

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my boss saw me sneaking out early, coworker insists he’s “crystal clear” when he’s not, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My boss saw me sneaking out early

After a week of absolute hell (I seriously damaged my brand new car, my home was burgled and my babysitter quit all in the same week) and work has been the busiest it has ever been with little chance for breaks, I made a horrible mistake. I needed to urgently get in contact with the garage to check on my car before it closed at 5 pm (I had no chance to do it at lunchtime) and my colleagues suggested I leave 15 minutes early so I could still make it in time to call. So after putting my coat on and handbag in hand, I walked right into my manager who looks at me and looks at my bag and says, “Oh, are you leaving early?” In a complete panic, I lied and said no, but that I needed to make a call to the garage urgently before it closed. I then had to sheepishly walk past him again to my office, take my coat off and switch my laptop back on. It’s safe to say, I was completely mortified!

I’m really hoping he will notice that I was in early that day (8:30 instead of 9 am) but I know that is besides the point. How should I proceed? Should I address it or pretend it never happened?

You’re a normal human who was having a horrible week and came in early that day — this is not a big deal! In fact, you worked more “extra” time in the morning than the amount you would have subtracted by leaving early. This isn’t a horrible mistake or anything you need to be mortified about. To be clear, your response to your boss wasn’t great — it would have been better to just own it and say, “Yes, I have to make an urgent call before 5 but I came in at 8:30 because of it” — but it’s not the end of the world.

Are you normally a good, reliable worker who isn’t ducking out early all the time? If so, you can just let this go and don’t need to think of or mention it again. If that’s not the case … well, then this a wake-up call to fix that so that you have grace available when you need it. Or if your boss is normally a stickler about people leaving early, it might bring you peace of mind to say to him, “This is bugging me so I wanted to mention that when you saw me heading out to make a call toward the end of the day last week, I’d come in early. I didn’t want you to worry I’m cutting my hours short.” But it shouldn’t be a big deal.

2. My boss promoted his boyfriend to the job I wanted

I have been on my team for almost six years and was one of the three original members when the team was formed.

We hired a guy who seemed to pick up on the job fast but was always complaining, Javier. His boyfriend, George, who also works for the company, decided to apply for the manager role to oversee our team in hopes of tackling some of these issues. Once George was hired, HR learned that he and his boyfriend were on the same team and lived together. HR told them they couldn’t work on the same team, given their relationship. A few days went by and they decided to break it off and find separate apartments next door to one another. Since they had separate addresses, HR said it would be okay.

George picked up the job quickly and everything was going well until I inquired about a senior position on our team since we were growing. I kept hearing that the new position needed to be approved by HR. It took a year before we had the go-ahead. However, the position was open to anyone on the team who wanted to apply. Nobody on the team except Javier received a full outline of the job description until a few weeks before we would be notified if we would be considered. In a meeting with George, he told me that I was not considered this time and told me, for the first time, the things I needed to work on in order to be considered in the future. What has me fuming is that Javier got the position, and I feel it’s because they are extremely close. They travel together and hang out regularly and constantly discuss work issues. I feel this is unfair to me and the rest of the team, as we do not have that close relationship with George. He is not available to us 24/7, nor did he tell us what we needed to do in order to advance. He gave his boyfriend many more opportunities, projects, and information, ultimately giving him the skills and qualifications needed to fill the position.

Should I go to HR about this or just wait for the next senior position to become available? I am confident I will be considered the next time, but feel I should have been considered all along. I just don’t like the feeling of resentment this entire scenario has left me with.

Your whole team should have gone to HR a long time ago, because under no circumstances should George be permitted to manage his boyfriend (let alone promote him over others). If HR really believes the conflict of interest ended simply because George and Javier moved next door to each other (and apparently changed nothing else about the relationship?), that’s bizarrely off-base. Separate addresses don’t solve the problem — in fact, even breaking up wouldn’t solved the problem, since that would just mean George was managing his very recent ex, which also isn’t okay.

So yes, HR. And not just about this recent hiring process — although that should be part of the concern you relay — but about the situation in its entirety. Spell out that they’re still dating and use the words “appearance of favoritism and special access.”

3. Coworker insists he’s “crystal clear” when he’s not

I work with our in-house attorney (Cecil), although he is not my manager. He is often unclear with his requests. When I’ve said to him, “I’m sorry, I’m not clear on what you are asking,” his response has been, “I was crystal clear.” How do I respond to that? I’m not going to try to interpret his meaning just to be told I performed the work wrong.

I’m not the only one who has issues with him. He is arrogant and demanding. His boss is aware of his personality “challenges” and, in my opinion, has done a good job in coaching him.

His boss hasn’t done that good of a job coaching him if Cecil still thinks this is an acceptable way to talk to coworkers!

Ideally you’d talk to either your boss or Cecil’s boss and ask them to tell Cecil he needs to stop saying this; if someone asks him for clarification, he needs to attempt to provide it, not insist he doesn’t need to.

But if that’s not an option or doesn’t work, then when Cecil tells you he was “crystal clear,” you should say, “It’s not clear to me, so I’ll need you to clarify before I can work on this request. Are you looking for X or Y or something else?”

4. Coworkers think it’s okay to comment on my body because I’m pregnant

I am into the second trimester of pregnancy and am obviously showing. My workplace is pretty laid back and most of us joke around with each other, which could be why they feel comfortable with this issue. I have had many comments about how large my belly is; I’m assuming they think it’s okay because I’m pregnant since they don’t say anything about other people’s weight. I’ve heard jokes that I’m actually pregnant with twins, I’ve been in actual arguments about whether or not I’m pregnant with twins, and just the other day someone said, “Wow, you’ve really gained weight!” I am not a confrontational person. All of this commentary has really made me self-conscious about my size. How do I politely shut this down? I still have a few months to go before maternity leave, and I know the comments will increase as my belly does.

Yep, people inexplicably think it’s okay to do this to pregnant people when they wouldn’t do it otherwise. It’s not!

Some options, depending on what you’re comfortable with:

* “Whoa, please don’t comment on my body anymore.”
* “I know you don’t mean anything by it, but I’m not comfortable with people commenting on my body and want everyone to stop. Thanks.”
* “Could y’all stop? I’m not sure why people think my body is up for discussion just because I’m pregnant but it’s really weird.”
* “Did you really just say that to me?
* “I’m going to do us all the favor of pretending you didn’t just say that.”

5. How do I get out of staffing an event for health reasons?

I occasionally go to external events on behalf of my organization. Last year, foolishly, I agreed to hold a stand at an event which was very far from my place of work, on a weekend day in the middle of my workplace’s busiest time of year. My colleague had to bail at the last second, so I spent 10 hours in a field manning a stall alone and spoke to 10 people. It wasn’t worth it for my organization strategically or financially, so my manager and I agreed we wouldn’t go again.

My boss’s boss (who helps organize the event, which supports a charity he is trustee of) didn’t consider that a good enough reason to not attend this year.

Meanwhile, my health circumstances have changed drastically since last year, and it is now no longer ideal for me to be on my own a long distance from home, unable to pack up and leave if I need to — which I might need to very quickly, if I become unwell. (Migraines! The worst!) I hadn’t disclosed these problems to him before but he demanded a “real reason” I didn’t intend to go, so I didn’t feel I had a choice.

Well, the event went well for his charity (I was ill, so wouldn’t have been able to go anyway), and now he’s talking about next year’s event as if I should be attending. I asked to discuss it privately later. I’m at my wit’s end. Can you give me a script to help me navigate this? My boss sits silently in these discussions and is supportive of me privately but doesn’t like to disagree with his boss.

“My health situation has changed since the year I did it, and my doctor says it’s no longer possible for me. I can provide support ahead of time like X and Y if someone else goes, but I can’t be the person staffing the event.”

Better yet, say this to your boss and ask him to handle it with his boss for you.

can I turn down business lunches as an intern?

A reader writes:

I’m in the last semester of my junior year at college and just started an internship this month that I’m really enjoying. For context, I applied for a different internship that was not customer-facing, and after my Zoom call with HR was asked to interview for an internship on the team who deal with corporate clients. That part is relevant to my question.

In my first week, my boss took me out to a nice, sit-down restaurant lunch and paid for my meal, which was nice. It’s exactly what my mom, who has worked in hiring and as a manager of a team including interns, told me to expect when I got the welcome email saying we’d be going out to lunch on my second day.

Now though, I’m in my third week and I’m being invited to go along with my boss to client lunches 1-2 times a week. Last week my burrito was $18 and at another meal my burger and salad was $16 (both include tip). I get water and don’t want to be weird, only eating half my meal so I can take the rest home to cover another meal later in the week, but it’s getting expensive!

My internship is paid, and it’s slightly more than I was making at my part-time retail job, but it’s part-time and I’m still a broke college student. When I talked to my mom about this, she explained that although my boss was likely expensing the meals, she didn’t think there was a good way I could ask to also have mine expensed. I think she’s probably right, so I’m wondering if there’s a way for me to politely decline these lunch meetings occasionally?

I wrote back and asked, “How is payment working — like at the end of the meal when the check comes, what happens at that point? Are you putting money in without being asked? Is someone dividing up who owes what? Something else?”

The burrito meal was at a Mexican place where your check is brought to your table and then you pay up at the register. All three bills came separately, and each of the other people grabbed their check so I did the same, then we took them to the register to pay. I’m pretty sure my boss only paid for hers, not hers and the client we were meeting with. The other time it was similar, each check came separately and each person paid for their own.

Two other times we’ve been at places with a setup similar to Chipotle where each person orders and pays as they get their food. One of those was with another person on our team, and the other was a meeting with a client.

Also, my mom (who is the person who suggested I write to you) said I should tell you that the person the two interns report to is three levels above me. In my job, I do financial and market research for the relationship managers who all report to Andy, Andy reports to Katlyn, and Katlyn is technically my boss. She’s the one putting the lunches on my schedule or stopping by my desk to invite me.

Talk to your boss! She should be thinking about the expense to you, but probably just isn’t. She’s likely figuring you need to eat and doesn’t realize that the expense is a lot more than if you were handling lunch on your own … but most people would be sympathetic once it’s pointed out. (And you’re a college student, of course you’re broke. It won’t be weird to be up-front about that.)

Say this to her: “I really appreciate you including me in lunches with clients and other staff members, and I’m learning a lot. But I’ve got to be up-front that they’re more expensive than I can manage as a college student! I didn’t want to start turning down the invitations without explaining that, but I can’t afford to eat out so often.”

There is a pretty good chance that she’ll offer to cover your check. She’s almost certainly expensing at least the client lunches, and she should be including yours in that. (I wonder if it’s all those separate checks that’s making her overlook that; if you were at the kind of restaurant that brings one check covering everyone at the table, it would probably be more obvious to her).

But if she doesn’t make that offer, that’s okay; you’ll have explained that it’s not in your budget to keep joining them.

my coworker thinks I should be available 24/7 since I work from home

A reader writes:

I work at a small company, almost completely from home. I go into the office about twice a month, and for the most part, it’s been a dream. I am vastly more productive and have found that my mental health has improved drastically.

Since the transition, I have done everything I can think of to set clear expectations as far as when I am available. I have specific, set hours when colleagues can expect me to be at my desk. I use away messages to say if I’m up from my desk for a quick break to stretch my legs, use the bathroom, etc. (with a time I’ll be back). I also always have my cell on me in case it’s a (rare) emergency. I do most of my communication with clients and our team via email, but I do have a VOIP phone that dials out with the main office number, and I can be inter-office paged via this phone as well.

Almost the whole team is great with this arrangement, with one exception: our main admin, Kate, who cannot seem to respect these boundaries. She’ll page me outside of my work hours, or regardless of whether I have an away message set, and if I don’t get to my phone fast enough, she’ll call my cell — usually for a very simple question that could have waited, or been an email. If I point out that I set an away message, she’ll say, “Sorry, I didn’t see it.” I have told her I’ll be unavailable for an hour, and she’ll agree pleasantly, and then turn around and call me 15 minutes later, followed by the usual call to my cell if I don’t pick up. I will also often come back to see that she’s IM’d me in an effort to get my attention, as well. When I ask why, she will say, “Well, I didn’t think it was a big deal since you’re already there!” When I say I’m busy, Kate says, “Oh, I knowwww, we all are,” and continues with her behavior.

What can I do differently to enforce these boundaries? I have stopped running to the phone if I’ve communicated that I’m away, but that doesn’t stop the inevitable tide of calls and texts to my cell, and sometimes she’ll just call and call until I get sick of hearing it and answer, even though I’m taking a break. I pride myself on being just as available now as if I were in the main office, but at this point, I’m being forced into being much more “available” at home than I ever was when I worked in that building.

I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.

I want my coworker to stop giving me “psychic messages” from my dead family members

A reader writes:

I’ve worked at my current company for six years. In that time, I befriended a coworker (Rebecca) who, to be honest, seemed very lonely but was sweet. We had some things in common and she sat with me at lunch sometimes. We’re completely remote now, but the two of us would still occasionally get together to go on shopping trips, ren faires, etc.

Eventually she became kind of pushy about wanting to be included in every outing I ever mentioned. I managed to always let her down gently, but it started to feel like I was the only person who ever wanted to hang out with her.

On our last outing, it was a decently long drive. Rebecca took up a large portion of the drive telling me about how she had gotten really into this one “psychic” on Tiktok who offers paid classes to “train your psychic abilities.” She went on and on about this, and asked if I would want messages from my mom, who died over a decade ago. I told her it was a sweet thought, but no thank you, because that’s really not my sort of thing. During this conversation, she also told me about how she was taking a ton of unpaid time off of work and became behind on many of her bills, some of which were possibly going to collections. But she was still taking Tiktok psychic classes. Being trapped in a car with her, it was way too awkward for me to really speak my mind about it. Plus, I felt like it wasn’t really my place.

This year has been very difficult for me in regards to loss. My grandmother, who I lived with, passed suddenly. Very recently I got a new puppy, who tragically passed in a horrible accident not even a week after I brought him home. It was extremely traumatic for me, but most people around me have been very caring and thoughtful in normal ways.

But … Rebecca. After my grandmother passed, she almost immediately sent me an unsolicited “message” from her, telling me how she was at peace, etc. I was freshly grieving, so I just told her thank you. A few months later, she sent me another “message” she’d received, telling me my grandmother is proud of me and other vague things. It was a random message out of nowhere after having not spoken in a while, so I just thanked her again and moved on with my day.

But then I went through losing my puppy. I received three separate messages from Rebecca, telling me, “He’s with your mom and grandma, they’re all happy and they love you.” This was less than 24 hours after losing him. Then, last night, she sent me another message giving details about how my dead family members are playing with my dead dog, and very specific behaviors my dog is doing, like spinning around and barking, and how my grandmother found it funny. I finally lost my patience. I thanked her for thinking of me and caring, but said I did not ask for messages from the great beyond and do not want to hear any more. She apologized but also sort of excused her behavior, saying she “doesn’t mean to upset me more” and that “sometimes I keep getting the messages over and over until I pass them on.” For the record, she met my grandmother maybe twice, briefly, and (obviously) never met my mom, or my puppy. And, shockingly, she never mentions any of my other passed family members or pets.

Is there a way I can shut her down more assertively if she tries this again, without saying something like, “Please stop pushing your Tiktok psychic scam crap on people who don’t ask for it”? I don’t want to completely cut off my relationship with her, though we’re not in the same department anymore. I also feel bad because she had come to my grandmother’s service to support me, which I appreciated it, but I also feel at this point she has way overstepped some boundaries. I tend to have a lot of trouble enforcing my boundaries without people taking it really poorly, so I’d love some kind of script for this!

What in the double-fried fuck.

This is so wildly out of line and inappropriate. If it had only been once, I could see writing it off as one of the sadly common missteps people make around death and grieving. So many people are a chaotic mess about what to say when someone dies, and some weird stuff comes out.

But the way Rebecca escalated to multiple messages, culminating in the one describing specific behaviors … it’s way over the line when you had never indicated you shared her beliefs or wanted those sorts of reports from her.

However! For someone who says you have trouble enforcing your boundaries, you handled it perfectly. And there’s a good chance that by telling her clearly that you don’t want to hear any more “messages from the beyond,” you’ve now put a stop to it.

If she does continue after you’ve clearly told her to stop, she would be crossing a whole new line, and at that point you’d be on very solid ground in saying, in as pissed-off a tone as you want, “I told you very clearly to stop saying things like this to me. Do not under any circumstances bring something like this to me again.”

If you can’t see yourself saying that and want a slightly softer version: “I thought I’d said this clearly before but in case I didn’t: I find this deeply upsetting and I don’t want to hear anything else like this.” Or: “I know you mean well, but I do not want to hear this. Please don’t say anything like that to me again.”

You’re feeling bad because Rebecca has supported you in the past, like with your grandmother’s funeral. But if she genuinely wants to support you, then she should welcome information about how to do that. If she runs roughshod over your clear statements to stop passing “messages” to you, then she’s not really interested in supporting you — she’s just pursuing an agenda of her own at the expense of your emotional well-being, and you don’t need to accommodate that out of guilt or politeness or anything else.

I’m sorry about your grandma and your puppy and your year.

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training an insecure coworker, our pumping room is being taken over for chair massages, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Training a fragile, insecure coworker has become Too Much

I have been trying to train a new(ish) coworker, Perdita, for just over a year, but she seems to be languishing and getting unhappier all the time. I have no authority over Perdita, don’t work directly with her on any projects, and was not involved in her hiring. In theory, I’ve just been showing her the ropes as a more experienced peer. We are both about the same age (early 30s).

The fundamental problem is that our role is one where you have to be comfortable operating without a lot of prescriptive instruction, and I just don’t think Perdita is. She seems to want to see a step-by-step, set-in-stone protocol for every single thing that’s asked of her. She gets upset and confrontational whenever she sees different people taking different approaches to the same types of projects, or when I suggest more than one way she could handle some aspect of her projects. Even with basic tasks, she gets stuck on granular details, freezes up, and gets emotional. For example, the first time she was asked to fill out a routine form requesting records from another agency, she came to me and asked, with tears in her eyes and her voice quaking, whether she should fill out a separate form for each date she was requesting records for or submit them all on the same form (the date field of this form has multiple lines) and whether she needed to fill out the fields in a box clearly marked For [Name of Other Agency] Use Only. I spent 20 minutes going over this one-page form with her, line by line, while she kept telling me she was “so scared” of filling it out incorrectly and “didn’t feel comfortable making those kinds of calls.”

By now, most people in the office have had encounters like this with Perdita and are limiting their interactions with her as much as possible. People assigned to projects with her prefer to simply work around her. She has noticed and occasionally has outbursts about feeling excluded. (She recently told the head of our office that he should require everyone to go back to working in-office full time because she “doesn’t get to make friends” while people are working hybrid schedules.)

I can’t begin to imagine what could be at the root of all this. I’m exhausted and just want to do my own work (which I otherwise love!). But I’m concerned this situation will keep snowballing if I “give up” on training her. As far as I know, management hasn’t taken any action, though I have raised this with them several times and they have witnessed the behavior for themselves. Does it seem to you like there’s a way to get her more comfortable in the role that I’m overlooking? Or failing that, a kind way to safeguard my own sanity?

It’s unlikely you’re going to find a way to get Perdita comfortable with her job a year in, given what you’ve described … and her manager needs to address that.

But right now, by not “giving up” on training her, you’re inadvertently allowing her boss to avoid dealing with the problem. Since you’re the one dealing with it, they don’t need to! Perdita comes to you and you hold her hand and walk her through the work, conveniently keeping all the burden off her management. That might have been appropriate when you were first training her but it’s not appropriate a year (!) later.

You said you’re concerned things will snowball if you stop, but it sounds snowballing is exactly what needs to happen to get any real action from management above you.

Have one more very clear conversation with your manager where you lay out your observations about Perdita’s work and habits and then say, “I’ve worked on training her for over a year now, but it’s taking up a large amount of my time and energy. I’m going to let her know that at this point she should be working more independently.” And then do that! If Perdita continues coming to you for this level of assistance after that, explain you need to focus on your own work and she should consult her manager if she needs help. Your manager is much more likely to take more action if it becomes her problem to deal with.

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2. The pumping room is being taken over for chair massages

I’m a new mom in a job that involves occasional travel throughout the state and last-minute assignments. My office is in the city, but I often work from home unless the assignments take me closer to the office (easiest to get the work done there than to waste time driving) or need to get out of the house.

I use the nursing room- the only room in my office without a glass door. Last week, HR sent out an email that announced “free 15-minute chair massages on Wednesdays beginning September 20.” While pumping today, I overheard a coworker tell another that the chair massages will happen in this room. Once again: all other offices and conference rooms have glass doors.

I emailed HR, and their response was, “Will you be in that day? It’s suggested that you come after 2 pm (AFTER THE MASSAGES). Let me know so we can find a solution for everyone.” I asked if this was a reoccurring event, and yes it was. They told me yes, but they told me if I gave them notice they can cancel/reschedule the chair massages.

Some flexibility is critical for my job. One day I can be working at home and then at 4 pm I could get a last-minute need to go two hours out the next day.

The sign-up sheet for the massages is already full. I feel like HR is putting this choice before me: on the random days I need to come in the office, I don’t and people can have massage days, or I do come in and I cancel it for everyone.

I don’t feel like they’re being malicious, they just forgot I need this. I’m the only nursing employee. The admin staff uses the mini fridge in the room for their food, while there’s a larger fridge just a walk down the hall. And an associate was trying to use it as a private office for calls and I had to ask her to leave so I can breast pump today. Any advice?

Try saying this: “I regularly need to come in with only a few hours of notice for work that’s critical to my job, and I will need reliable access to the room when I do. This feels like it will be a real conflict with that.” You might also add, “Separately, it’s important to me that people don’t perceive me (or nursing mothers in general) as the reason they’re losing out on a perk like massages, so I hope there’s a way for you to handle it that avoids that.”

Maybe it’ll occur to them to consider a second room without a glass door.

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3. Is my white board full of personal items unprofessional?

The office I was given and have worked in for two years had two big white boards in it. I work in fundraising so I filled one with prospects and ask amounts. I almost always meet with donors virtually or in their space, so they generally wouldn’t see this board. The other, I recently filled with personal photos and cards, three of my new baby, two photos from my wedding, etc. I figured it made sense to use this existing space in place of framing a couple of photos on my desk, mostly because I don’t like having a big blank whiteboard taking up so much of my wall.

On the one hand, I do work in a touchy-feely profession where saying “here’s a photo of my baby” can endear me to donors and colleagues. On the other hand, I worry that having much in the way of wedding and baby photos in a professional space could make people perceive me as young or unserious. I’m in my thirties, so not unusually young but I’m short with a high voice and talk quickly, so I might be perceived this way. For what it’s worth, I’ve been at this job for two years and I think I’m reasonably well-liked, so I don’t think the stakes are particularly high, just curious how it’s likely to be perceived.

It’s probably fine … although if you wanted the play-it-safe answer, there is a risk that it looks like Too Much. A couple personal photos, fine. A dozen personal photos is more than you usually see in most offices. Is it likely to be a real problem? No. Is it something you might want to modify if you’re trying to Optimize Your Professional Persona? Maybe. (Although I’d be a lot more concerned if it were a bunch of photos of nights out with friends or similar. Wedding and baby photos don’t scream “young” in that way.)

If you feel like you have to work to get people to take you seriously, or if you were in a more buttoned-up office, I’d be more inclined to suggest you change it. If you don’t feel like either of those are issues, I wouldn’t worry much about it.

4. I saw something on my manager’s screen that I shouldn’t have

I was just on a call with my supervisor. While he was sharing his screen, I saw a PIP document for one of my colleagues. Even though I’m famously nosy when people are sharing their screens, I just looked away. He definitely didn’t realize I saw it.

In the past, when we’ve been on calls with other colleagues, I’ve politely reminded him, “Hey, just so you know, you’re sharing your entire screen!” (He has literally started typing in Teams chats while we’re on a group call!). As a team we are always reminded to only share windows/files rather than our entire screens.

In this situation, with it only being me on the call, would it be worth sending him a quick note letting him know I saw a sensitive document? Or should I just continue to pretend I never saw it and let him learn the hard way since this is something he continues to do despite my vocal warnings and general team reminders? I’m very much a vault with these types of things, but other people aren’t. He’s fairly high-ranking in our company and I just worry about sounding condescending, or even making him feel terrible that he accidentally shared something so personal about another colleague.

Nope, just pretend you never saw it. That would be true in most cases, but it’s especially true with someone who you’ve apparently already given many reminders to and who has been ignoring those reminders. For whatever reason, he doesn’t care. I suppose it’s possible that this will be the one incident that changes his mind, but it’s unlikely.

5. Can I log overtime even if I had a lot of downtime in that pay period?

Can I still log overtime when I work extra hours even if, within the course of a work day, I generally have up to an hour or more of “downtime” where I am not actively engaged in a work-related task? Or, should I let it slide since there was downtime within work hours?

You should still log the overtime, and your employer is legally required to pay you for it. During that downtime, you’re still at work and presumably couldn’t leave the premises and go do your own thing (like go see a movie or run nude through a meadow), so that’s paid time. If you let it slide, you’ll not only be cheating yourself out of pay you’re legally entitled to, but you’d be exposing your employer to legal liability down the road.

weekend open thread – September 16-17, 2023

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Book recommendation of the week: You Can’t Stay Here Forever, by Katherine Lin. Days after losing her husband in a car crash, a lawyer discovers he had been having an affair with her coworker and heads to a luxury French resort with her best friend to figure out how to restart her life.

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it’s your Friday good news

It’s your Friday good news!

Thanks to your posts about how women tend to pass on opportunities that men would pursue, last year I decided to apply for a position that would have been a bit of a stretch. I knew I didn’t have 100% of the experience they were looking for, but I used your cover letter and resume advice, and reached out to former bosses who gave me very strong references. I was interviewed, and although I did not get hired for that position, I was offered a part-time position. The new position and my old one were roughly equivalent, but the new job had a more centralized program that offered opportunities to stretch myself professionally, plus a 40% pay increase.

Last month, my former boss transferred to a different location in my old organization, and reached out to ask me if I would consider taking on a leadership role in a project she was planning for this fall. That project is one she and I had always hoped to do together, but the timing never worked out. Having read all your excellent advice, I knew this was a great opportunity to advocate for more money, which I did successfully. My new salary at my old organization represents more than a 60% raise on my original pay! I will now be happily splitting my time between the two organizations, grabbing growth and training opportunities with both hands whenever they are offered.

As exciting as it is to make more money and be recognized for the quality of my work, what is even better is knowing I have two great bosses who think a lot of my skills, and that this new program will help a lot of people. We work with kids and adults who are at risk, and our program makes them safer and creates opportunities for joy and independence. I’m sure you can’t publish every good news story you receive, but I wanted you to know what a profound, positive impact your blog and your book have had on my life. Your advice helped me take advantage of opportunities I might otherwise have decided not to pursue, and I’m very grateful!

open thread – September 15-16, 2023

It’s the Friday open thread!

The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers.

* If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer.

coworker wants me to lock up my dogs so he can come to parties at my house, explaining a medical accommodation, and more

It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go…

1. My coworker wants me to lock up my dogs so he can come to parties at my house

I’m a university professor, and I have a problem with a member of my department, Paul.

I realized that a lot of my friends with young children or elder-care responsibilities are struggling to socialize and I wasn’t getting to see them as often as I liked. So last year, I started a tradition where every month, my partner and I host a Sunday night dinner that is an open-house affair. I make a lot of food and invite all my friends. Kids are welcome, live-in relatives are welcome, houseguests are welcome; we just make room. A lot of my friends are fellow professors (some from my department, others not) and about a quarter to a third of the department comes to the event regularly.

The only stipulation is I have two large, sweet, well-trained dogs and I’ve made it known that I won’t shut them away for the event, even if someone has allergies or phobias. They are part of my family. They are very social and hate to be away from me and my partner if we are home. (Others are welcome to bring their dogs with them and usually one or two do.)

Paul and I are friendly, but we are not close. Some time ago I invited Paul to dinner and gave him a heads-up that we had large dogs. Paul indicated that was fine, but when he showed up at our house he was clearly terrified of the dogs and was rude about them when they approached him to sniff and greet him. We put them in another room and they made their great unhappiness about this known. If Paul had just said that he wasn’t a dog fan, I would have made a dinner reservation somewhere else. The whole incident soured me on Paul a little. I am polite and friendly with Paul and often find myself agreeing with him about department issues, pedagogy, and so forth, but haven’t made much of an effort to be his outside-work friend since then.

Anyway, Paul is pretty socially awkward, he is recently divorced, and I think he’s trying to make an effort to get out of the house more and make more friends. He approached me to ask if he could come to the next open house. I said of course he was welcome, but warned him that the dogs will be roaming, and probably not just my two. He texted me later to ask me to please consider shutting them away for the night and asking others not to bring theirs.

I really don’t want to do this, and technically this isn’t a work event. Part of me thinks Paul should start his own no-dogs-allowed open house if that’s the event he wants. But I feel a little bad for Paul and I don’t want to seem unwelcoming to a person I have to work with all the time. How should I respond?

Since these are casual, non-work-sponsored events, you don’t need to lock your dogs away if you don’t want to. If you were, say, the head of the department, you’d need to reconsider these events (not that you’d necessarily need to lock your dogs up if you didn’t want to, but then you should at least hold more events outside your house, since if you’re the boss, the dynamics are different). But that’s not the case here. It would be a kindness to consider doing it some of the time, but you don’t have to.

If you want to tell Paul no, you could say, “The dogs don’t do well when they’re locked up, unfortunately. But if you want to plan something that’s dog-free, I’d love to attend!”

If you’re up for it, it would also be kind to offer to do something away from your dog-inhabited house with Paul, like dinner out or similar. You don’t have to do that, but it would be a thoughtful gesture toward someone who seems to want to socialize (and including that offer in your reply about the dogs would be a way to soften it).

Also, don’t hold Paul’s previous fear of the dogs against him! Who knows why he thought he’d be fine but then wasn’t — maybe something about your dogs in particular made him uncomfortable (like size or a specific behavior) or maybe he was just overly optimistic about how comfortable he’d be, but I’m sure he didn’t set out to deliberately deceive you when he agreed to come over.

2. My employer wants me to donate the proceeds of my book to them

I work for a library that is structured as a nonprofit. I am co-writing a book on an aspect of youth librarianship. I don’t have a ton of experience in this area, so my contribution to the book will be mainly research, composing, and editing based. However, there are some facets of my job that I will discuss in the book. I brought up this side-writing with the library’s legal team. After some positive and supportive back and forth, I just received an email about the conflict of interest policy and not working on the book on library time. That all makes sense.

However, the email ended with, “In the interest of avoiding the appearance of a conflict based on financial gain, we ask that any author compensation arising out of your work on the book be donated to the library. To that end, please keep Legal apprised of any compensation you receive, if and when that occurs.” This doesn’t sit well with me. Is this normal? I couldn’t find anything online. I remember your posts about employee giving drives at universities and donating Vegas winnings, but this seems different?

I’m expecting the amount of money to be a couple thousand over maybe two years. I’d honestly rather give to another nonprofit, if it’s untoward/unethical/not worth the trouble for me to keep the money myself.

No, this isn’t normal or reasonable. It’s also nonsensical — if you can’t work on the book on work time (which makes perfect sense), on what grounds do they think they’re entitled to what you earn for it? I assume they’d try to argue that your job with them is what led to you being in a position to co-author the book — but that’s true of many, many things that lead to people writing books, and it doesn’t automatically entitle their employers to those proceeds.

I would reply, “Since I will be doing it on my own time and not as a representative of the library, I wouldn’t agree to a requirement to donate what I’m paid for outside work (just as I assume we don’t ask that of people doing other types of freelance projects) but the rest of this agreement looks good to me.”

3. How can I explain to coworkers that I’m working from home as a medical accommodation?

I’m having some trouble with coworkers who keep asking me when I’m coming into the office. I have a permanent work-from-home arrangement as a medical accommodation, and I really appreciate it. It works well for me and allows me to be productive and healthy.

For example, I need to lie down frequently, even sometimes during meetings. I need natural light, not overhead lights. The open office plan puts me in a constant state of tension and alertness that is not at all conducive to work. I’m also at high risk for COVID complications, and so I wear a mask still in public places which is tiring, too. It isn’t one specific thing but rather the combination that is the problem.

Do you have a simple script I can use to deflect questions from my coworkers about when I’m coming into the office? I know they are just being friendly, but I find it difficult to explain my medical conditions to them and feel awkwardly evasive when I don’t. My commute is trivial so that’s not a good deflection, and I don’t want to be known as fragile. I would like to be able to politely explain my situation without going into too much detail.

“I’m permanently remote.” That’s it! You don’t need to explain why. If someone expresses surprise (which they definitely might, especially if they have been told no one can work remotely), you can say, “It’s a medical accommodation.” You don’t need to explain more than that. It’s unlikely anyone will ask for medical specifics but if they do, that’s a real overstep and you can simply say, “Oh, nothing I want to get into at work, thanks for understanding.”

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4. Recruiter falsified employment dates before sending a resume to an employer

My husband was contacted by a recruiter about a job that seems like a good fit. The recruiter set him up with a first round interview with the employer, and then texted my husband to say, “By the way, I changed the end date of your last employment to current, otherwise the employer probably would have passed.” He has not been working for almost a year, and apparently the recruiter was worried that this would look bad.

Now my husband has an interview set up but only belatedly found out that the employer has a copy of his resume that incorrectly states his experience. What should he do? Send a corrected version? Just leave it and explain if they ask? Complicating matters, he was fired from his last job due to a mismatch in skills and poorly communicated expectations on the part of his old manager— he has an answer ready to explain this but would prefer not to draw attention to it. What is the right move here?

That recruiter was wildly out of line … and his misguided attempt to get your husband hired could end up torpedoing his chances. What does he think will happen if/when the employer does a background check and uncovers the lie?

In fact, that would be a good question for your husband to pose to the recruiter — “How do you suggest I handle it if we get to the background check stage?”

He might also ask if the recruiter expects him to lie in the interview. Does he want him to talk about his job in the present tense and make up some BS about why he’s thinking about leaving the “current” job? That’s not something he should do.

Beyond that, his safest course of action is not to proactively mention it to the interviewers, but also not to lie about the dates or imply that he’s still at the old job when he’s not. If he’s asked about why the resume says he is, he can explain he’s not sure what the recruiter sent but in fact he left that job last year. And he shouldn’t work with this recruiter again; someone who’s willing to be shady to his clients (the people who are paying him!) will be willing to be shady in his dealings with your husband too.