update from the reader who found out she was pregnant right after starting a new job

It’s our first in what will be a month-long series of our reader updates. Remember the reader who found out she was pregnant right after starting a new job (#5 at the link)? She was unsure when and how to tell her new manager. Here’s her update.

Your advice was right on target, and I really needed to hear that (more than once). It was identical advice to what I received from a dear friend who also happens to be a hiring manager – although he didn’t hide his shock very well, which had the added benefit of preparing me for the conversation with my manager (since I had no idea how she would react).

I am really thankful your readers left such great comments, as I hadn’t considered either the disability pay or FMLA benefits, which is obviously a pretty big deal in my situation.

So, the update. I got lucky! Really lucky, in my opinion. I had a very honest conversation with my manager shortly after that post. She has been very supportive through this time, and so have the managers two steps over me, which was not expected but is a fabulous feeling. That was all lucky.

The really lucky part made me realize I made the right choice in accepting this position and relocating. Ready for the really lucky part? Even though I don’t qualify for job protection under FMLA, my manager confirmed they have been really happy with my performance and have no intentions of of letting me go or filling my position while I am out (never even mentioned how my contract is written, which would allow them to do so… seems they don’t care – they are keeping me). HR confirmed I was also approved for full salary during my 6-week leave, which they also don’t have to give me, but makes a huge difference in my stress level at this point, and gives me a good idea of the culture and values of this company and my group. LUCKY ME!

You are right – times like these give employers the opportunity to prove the company culture to their employees. I hope my behavior was a positive message to my employer as well, because I realize how I handled this was more important than the pregnancy itself.

my manager insists on assigning seats at a holiday lunch that we pay for ourselves

First, thanks to everyone who sent me the news that the rule on gifts in an office flowing downward, not upward (i.e., you’re not expected to give gifts to your boss) goes at least as far back as Letitia Baldrige, who wrote many books on etiquette and was Jackie Kennedy’s social secretary in the White House. (Emily Yoffe, who writes the Dear Prudence advice column at Slate, yesterday mentioned it coming from Baldrige, and noted herself, “It’s absurd and unseemly for employees to return their hard-earned money to the people who control their salaries as if paying liege to a feudal lord. This pernicious practice should be stamped out, and if a company has an HR department, that office should put a stop to it.”) And when we were trying to nail down the origins of this rule a couple of weeks ago, other people pointed out that the very correct Miss Manners has talked about it as well. So we now have official sources from established etiquette mavens.

This is relevant because …

A reader writes:

In the grand scheme of all the things that could possibly be (or straight out are) wrong with my office environment, this is probably pretty low on the list. But it’s a scenario I’d like to not only get your opinion on, but that of your readers as well.

With the holidays upon us it’s time for my department’s annual holiday luncheon. Two things happen every year with this that I’m finding more and more annoying with each passing Christmas:

1. A couple weeks before the luncheon, one of the team leads starts collecting for a gift to our manager. There’s little to no discussion. An email simply goes out saying this is what’s happening, and several emails follow gently reminding you to get your share in. This year it’s $10 a person. Our team has grown significantly in the last year, and the gift will be a $250 gift card. Now, while I’ve never been too big a fan of this, it wasn’t until I saw your stance on gifts only flowing one direction that it really started bugging me. But then you realized that it was something that wasn’t necessarily a hard and fast rule. (NOTE FROM ME: See above!) So now I’m just not sure if I’m being curmudgeonly or justified because this is a violation of etiquette! Nevertheless, there’s been some grumblings from a number of other people on the team (particularly the newer folks) that this gift seems a bit excessive. Unfortunately, it’s unlikely anyone would ever dream of rocking the boat on this, although I’m seriously considering it (only it’ll be after the holidays this time around since the money has already been collected).

2. The luncheon itself is held at a different restaurant each year. It’s generally a nicer, but not too nice, place. We each pay our own way and it’s during work hours. Attendance isn’t necessarily mandatory, but that’s never been explicitly stated and the assumption is you will attend.

Now, we’re fortunate in that we have a pretty good team. Everyone gets along. But once we walk into the restaurant, we find our seating is assigned, be it at either one large table or multiple tables all near one another. The problem is that even if we may all get along, the reality is that there are just some folks who feel more “comfortable” around others because of friendships formed over the years or because you simply spend more time working closely with specific team members than others. For instance, last year I was sat between two women who are quite nice, but we have very little in common, and as a result the extent of our conversations for two hours were largely pleasantries.

I learned several years ago that our manager intentionally tries to mix things up to avoid any cliques (which we really don’t have a problem with) or to have too many people of the same sex or race sitting next to one another! When you’re looking around a table seeing everyone in this boat as opposed to simply letting two folks sit next to one another that may actually be able to have nice, natural conversations at an event that’s supposed to be fun, it’s a bit frustrating.

I made the off-hand comment/joke to another team member that I was just going to move my place card where I wanted and if anyone had a problem with it I would say, “You can tell me where to sit when you pay for my lunch.” Apparently he felt the same way and approached our manager to say that people would rather not be assigned seats and would just like to sit where they want. Well, she threw a fit and demanded to know who these people were. He refused to say anything more, just that it was something worth considering. At the end of the conversation, she said that she’ll be assigning seats regardless of what people think.

Well, on the gift collection, see my introductory note — we’ve nailed this down, so you have some back-up if you want to cite actual etiquette authorities. When talking to the instigator of this extravagant $250 gift (?!!), I’d use the language I suggested last month: “This is a kind idea, but I’ve always been taught that etiquette prohibits gifts to managers from the people under them, particularly big gifts like this. I wouldn’t want to put (boss) or others in the office in an uncomfortable position.”

As for the lunch, it’s silly that your boss wants to micromanage where you sit. It’s true that hosts of dinner parties and other social function often assign seating, but those are social functions where the host is throwing the party. This may be a party, but you’re all paying your own way, and it must grate to be told where to sit, let alone to be organized by race or sex! (This isn’t the same manager who wanted to “mix up hotel rooms by race,” is it?)

If others feel as you do, you might simply all sit wherever you choose to sit. It’s going to be pretty hard for her to intervene if it’s a mass movement — or at least she’s going to look pretty silly if she tries.

But aside from that, unless someone is willing to push the issue with her — an issue that she apparently feels Quite Strongly about — it might make the most sense to just roll your eyes and deal with it.

open thread

photo 5It’s our biweekly open thread!

The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on anything you want to talk about. If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet, but this is a chance to talk to other readers.

how can I convince my boss I don’t speak Spanish, bad connections on phone interviews, and more

It’s five short answers to five short questions. Here we go…

1. What’s the etiquette of asking to extend interview travel?

I recently had a phone interview for a job across the country, and at the end, the interviewer mentioned he’d be asking HR to get in touch with me to arrange for an in-person interview. Assuming they pay for the travel, would it be acceptable to ask them to schedule flights so that I’m in the city for a few days extra, say for a weekend? (I’d arrange for my own accommodation and other expenses for any extra nights, of course.)

On one hand, it makes sense to me that they’d want me to have a chance to check out some of the city before taking a job that requires moving – for example, the interviewer gave me a list of reasons he loves the city. On the other, I certainly don’t want to come across like I’m asking them to fund my vacation! So – is this a done thing or a total no-no?

If it matters, I’m young, single, and in an industry where it’s fairly common to move for work.

Yes, this is definitely done. You’d make it clear that you’d pay for any additional costs that it might add, of course, and by framing it as wanting to get a sense of the city makes it clear that you’re not just looking for a free vacation. Usually people just say something like, “I’d like to take the chance to check out the city while I’m there since this would be a move for me. Could we book the return flight for Monday instead of Friday? I’ll handle my own accommodation for the extra nights, of course.”

2. When you have a bad connection on a phone interview

My husband had a phone interview a few days ago. The quality of the connection via the conference call software was very poor, and he could hardly hear the interviewers on the other end. (He’s pretty sure it was a problem with their system, as this issue has only arisen with this conference call, no other calls.) One option is to ask to retry the call, but you don’t want to come across as difficult or incapable with technology to an employer, and what if hanging up and dialing in again doesn’t improve things? The other option (trying your best to hear) seems quite dangerous and likely to backfire though! What do you suggest should be done in this situation?

When it’s a truly poor connection, it’s reasonable to say, “We seem to have a bad connection and I’m having difficult hearing. Could we try hanging up and redialing to see if that fixes it?” That doesn’t come across as difficult or technically inept; it comes across as a person who would like to hear! (After all, if a colleague made this request of you on a conference call, would you think anything of it? No, you would not.)

But if you try that and it doesn’t fix the problem, then you have to judge how much of an obstacle it is. If you can hear okay, just not optimally, you might choose to continue at that point. But if you can’t, you don’t really have much choice — you have to speak up and explain it and hope that they’ll suggest an alternative (which they should).

3. How can I convince my boss I don’t speak Spanish?

I work at a small nonprofit organization doing direct service work with families involved in child protection and/or department of corrections. I started this job about 4 months ago and I have been very happy with the work that I am doing. However, recently, my supervisor assigned me to a family that speaks only Spanish. My boss knows that I am half Hispanic and that I speak some Spanish, but I have been clear that I am not fluent and that I just don’t have the professional vocabulary I would need. Despite expressing my concerns, my supervisor has told me to move forward with this family anyway.

I am extremely worried that I will not be able to communicate effectively with this family and may even end up doing more harm than good. ( I have spoken with the county worker who referred the family, but I haven’t met with the family yet.) There is no one else in my program who speaks Spanish who they could be transferred to and an interpreter is not an option. As far as I know, none of my coworkers have been asked to work with non-English speakers. I even wonder if my supervisor believes me when I say that I am not fluent, due to my heritage and last name.

How can I explain that this really will not work for me without being brushed off again or risking being let go (since I am not yet past my 6 months probationary period)? Should they even be able to ask me to work with this family if I have made it clear that I don’t have the professional vocabulary necessary to do so? Do I need to think about filing some sort of complaint?

Go back to the county worker who referred the family, explain that you aren’t fluent in Spanish, and confirm that that will indeed be a huge problem (as it sounds like it will be). Then go back to your boss and say this: “I spoke with the county worker, who was very clear that this family needs to work with a fluent Spanish speaker and that I am not suitable for that. My Spanish vocabulary is minimal. The county worker and I agree that having me try to talk with them could do more harm than good.” If your boss continues to push it, you might explicitly say that you’re concerned that your heritage is misleading him about your language skills, but that you are no more equipped to speak Spanish than most of your coworkers.

If your boss doesn’t back off, it’s worth escalating this (see the advice here on how to do this) because of the discrimination issues that a reasonable person would have to suspect were in play.

Read an update to this letter here.

4. Explaining a preference to be based in one city over another when applying for a job

I received a request for an interview for a project management position I applied to recently. The company is headquartered in a large town in Iowa, but I want to be based in their satellite office in Chicago (real locations changed).The job description says, “This position is preferably based in Iowa but the successful candidate might be based in the Chicago office.”

How should I state my preference to be in Chicago? What would you consider valid reasons to want to be based in the satellite office besides simply not wanting to live in Iowa?

If you’re currently living in or near Chicago, that’s an obvious one. Otherwise, any kind of roots in Chicago (friends, family, having gone to school there, etc.). But absent there, it’s perfectly okay to simply state that your preference in Chicago; if asked about it, you can say that you prefer to be in a city or whatever else is true.

That said, be aware that their wording signals that their default is likely to be to place you in Iowa; you’ll want to approach it with an understanding of that, and an awareness of why that might be the case.

5. Manager wants six weeks notice of time-off requests

I just got hired for a job. I asked the day I filled out the paperwork how long I’d have to give notice to request a day off. I asked if two weeks would be okay. The manager laughed and said six weeks notice.

Is it just me or is that a little ridiculous? Two weeks is a courtesy thing. I never know ANYTHING that i’m doing six weeks ahead of time! Even doctor’s appointments; they’re usually a week or two ahead. How on earth is that fair? And how do you not inform a person of this before they get hired?

I understand that people book me for appointments (I am a wax specialist), but if I have a court date or ANY type of car trouble, how can I tell her six weeks ahead that I need to get my car fixed? If I knew how ridiculous that rule was, I wouldn’t have even taken the job! I am planning a vacation to California next month. I don’t have the dates officially set yet. I had to make up a week that i’d be gone and I don’t even know if those are the days I’ll be going. This is beyond stupid.

Does she mean six week notice for all time off, or just for something like a pre-planned vacation? If it’s for everything, including things like doctor’s appointments, then yes, that’s ridiculous. And it’s frustrating, because it’s hardly something you’d think to ask about before accepting an offer.

But is it possible that she doesn’t mean that you have to schedule sick days or car trouble in advance and that those are  handled when they come up? If she’s only taking about pre-planned vacations, it’s not totally unreasonable. (On the California thing, for instance, many workplaces would expect to you to provide more than a month’s notice that you were taking a week off, and especially in a job where they might be booking customer appointments that far out, so that part of it isn’t crazy.)

how can I stop a greedy coworker from taking all the candy from my candy jar?

A reader writes:

How can I keep a rude coworker from taking copious amounts of candy from a candy jar? He almost singlehandedly empties my candy dish in a few days if I bring in delicious candy.

He comes in and makes small talk multiple times a day as an excuse to grab candy. We pretend-insult each other all the time, so it is very difficult for me to convey the fact that I am being serious about anything. I have made half-serious jokes to him multiple times about him eating all my candy, but nothing actually changes. The other problem is, he is stubborn and really does lack the social grace that would keep an ordinary person from constantly taking candy.

I used to be nice about it, but lately I am just annoyed at the lack of social grace.

Yeah, it sounds like the frequent pretend-insulting thing is getting in your way here, because it makes it more likely that he’ll take anything you say about this as a joke.

If that weren’t the case, this would actually be a lot easier to address. You could say, “Hey, Bob, I keep this candy here for everyone, but you love it so much that I’m having to refill it every few days. I’m going to buy you a bag of Kit-Kats, and in exchange, I’m going to limit you to one candy a day from this dish.”

And actually, that’s probably the way to go with him anyway, because really, what else are you going to do? So I’d start there, and if he still thinks you’re joking, the next time he tries to devour all your candy, say, “Hey, I was serious the other day — unless you want to start buying 10 bucks worth of candy every week to fill this jar up.”

Of course, you could also remove the jar for a while, but then everyone would suffer the Wrath of No Candy, and that would be a terrible thing.

what’s the coolest Excel trick you know?

A reader writes:

From reading the comments on AAM, it seems many of your readers are Excel gurus. I use Excel a lot at work but feel like I’m only scratching the surface of what the software can do. I’m familiar with basic formulas (think =SUM and =AVERAGE) and recently learned how to subtotal and reference other worksheets, but what are some other tricks that readers find most useful?

I’m so glad you asked this, because I notice all the Excel experts here too and I want to know what they know.

We had a post early last year about how to get Excel skills, but I like this better: Readers, tell us the Excel tricks you find most helpful!

is it okay to work on personal projects during slow days at work?

A reader writes:

Is it okay to work on personal projects during slow days at work? The past few days, my supervisors have been on vacation and the only people in the office besides me (the research assistant) are the receptionist and the staff accountant. I’ve finished all of my work, including old back burner work that I’ve been setting aside for slow days, answered all my emails, organized my desk, wandered around the office looking for small tasks and now I’ve started to work on my personal website. I mean, what else can I do? I don’t want to take a nap and I don’t really want to surf Reddit or Facebook, so I feel like it’s fine if I do some personal stuff. I’m starting to feel sort of guilty though, like during company time I should only be doing work – but there is none! Short of going home (which I can’t), I’m not sure what to do with myself.

Do you think it’s okay to be doing this? In the same vein, I learned that I’ll again be the only person in the office during the week of Christmas because our Executive Director doesn’t want to shut down completely but EVERYBODY has already booked their vacations. Would it be bad for me to bring my personal laptops and play video games? Once my personal work is done, there will be nothing for me to do besides answer phones and email.

Well, you’re certainly in good company in doing this at this time of year. A lot of people’s work slows way down around the holidays, and so some people end up doing exactly what you describe.

I’d say that it’s okay if all of these factors are met:

* You have a job where the work is actually done at some point. In some jobs, the flow of work never really ends; there’s no point where there’s literally nothing left on your list that you could be working on. But the flow of work in some jobs is more finite — especially in jobs that depend on someone else to generate the work. It sounds like your job is one of those. (But if there are non-urgent things you could be working on but you just don’t want to because it’s a slow holiday period, that’s not okay. Again, it doesn’t sound like this is you.)

* You’ve checked to see if others in your office can use your help, and you’ve checked with your manager to see if there’s anything else she’d like you to work on. (And you’ve done this in a genuine way that would encourage people to take you up on the offer — not a perfunctory statement that you’re hoping will be ignored.)

* Your manager is okay with it or would be okay with it if she knew.

* You’re not occupying your time in a way that will look bad to visitors. For instance, if you’re the receptionist, you shouldn’t be painting your nails at your desk, no matter how little you have to do, because it sends the wrong message to visitors.

Anyone disagree?

a couples dinner with a prospective boss, sending job search emails from a smart phone, and more

It’s five short answers to five short questions. Here we go…

1. Is it okay to send job correspondence from a smart phone?

Is it okay to send a post-interview thank-you note via your smart phone? I don’t mean sending one right after the interview but later when you have time but no laptop/desktop available. I know when I send emails on my phone, it shows that it was sent from my mobile. Is that considered tacky or inconsiderate?

I can’t imagine anyone rejecting a candidate over it, but I’d still wait and send it from your computer if you can. When you’re typing on a phone, you’re more likely to take shortcuts in your wording and to make typos (at least most people are), and if the message ends with some variation of “sent from my mobile,” you do potentially signal that you’re sending hiring-related communications on the fly rather than taking them more seriously. (That said, you can turn that message off on most phones.)

2. How should I handle a couples dinner with someone who has offered my husband a job?

My husband loves his job, but has been sought after from another company for years now, and recently they offered him a job he “cannot refuse.” He has considered taking the job, and they have asked my husband and I to dinner this Friday. It isn’t an interview; the job is in the bag if he wants it. The dinner is with the boss and his wife, and my husband and I.

My question is this: What questions should I ask? If he asks me questions like “what are your fears” in regards to my husband switching jobs, should I be brutally honest? My husband and I are totally on the fence with the decision. He has a good thing where he is now. But we see potential and a substantial pay raise if he moves. There are pros and cons on both sides. I want the option to stay open for him and I don’t want this door to close because of me. I understand proper dinner etiquette, I just need to know how to keep the conversation going in the right direction and what questions are good/not good, and what to stay away from. If the boss asks difficult questions that I don’t know how to answer, how to properly maneuver away from them, and so on.

I’d actually let your husband make the call on this. How does he want you to play it — being candid about your concerns, or being more circumspect? Personally, I’d be inclined to rely on responses like “I support Bob in whatever decision he makes” while agreeing in a general sense that it sounds like a great opportunity, but this is your husband’s job prospect and thus he should be the one calling the shots on this dinner. (Just like you’d want him to defer to your preferences if he were meeting your prospective boss.)

Other than that, the usual advice for any professional situation applies — stay away from politics, religion, sex, and other controversial topics. Be warm, but remember that these aren’t friends; they’re business associates, so different rules apply.

3. Can I ask my manager to tell coworkers not to talk to me about a death in the family?

One of my parents is very near the end of life. I am really uncomfortable displaying excess emotion in the workplace, and I know that right after my parent dies I will be unable to talk about it without crying. I also know that many of my coworkers will want to offer condolences face to face. They will be trying to help because they care, and I appreciate that. But by bringing it up in the workplace, they will be making me feel much worse. I just know that I will want to grieve at home and let work be work. Is it appropriate, when the time comes, to ask my manager to tell coworkers not to talk to me about it? I am dreading having that painful conversation over and over with well-meaning coworkers.

Absolutely you can. You can say something like, “Would you let everyone know that I would appreciate not being approached about my mom/dad? I’m grateful for everyone’s condolences, but it’s too raw for me to want to talk about and it will help me most to just be able to focus on work.”

I’m so sorry about your parent.

4. Bringing in chocolate when I visit my old office to talk about being re-hired

I am a junior engineer who has recently switched jobs. My first job started off as a co-op opportunity right out of school and they hired me as soon as it finished. I continued working there for one year. My relationship with my supervisor had been very good and he taught me a lot of things. He encouraged me to try other job opportunities and put me in contact with various other people who quickly showed me new positions. He also stressed that if I didn’t enjoy it, I could always come back.

About 3 months ago, I switched jobs, but I am not enjoying it for various reasons. I have stayed in brief contact with my former manager. I want to go back to my previous job. Is it wrong for me to request a meeting with him and bring a gift such as a basket of chocolates for the engineering staff? I think it would be very nice but I don’t want it to be weird.

Normally, there’s nothing at all wrong with a former coworker returning for a visit and bringing everyone food (in fact, there is something very right about it). But you would never, ever do that if you were going somewhere for an interview. And this visit is a little of both, so it’s a little weird. I guess I’d say that if you would bring the chocolates under purely social circumstances, and there’s no thought of using the chocolates to make everyone feel positively toward you and thus lay the groundwork for a return, then sure, wear your “former coworker” hat and bring in the candy. (It’s not like jobs are usually won through candy anyway; you just don’t want to look like the two are connected.)

5. Why would a phone interview and in-person interview be scheduled at the same time?

I’ve gotten pretty used to the phone-interview-then-in-person-interview process. I know that hiring managers utilize phone interviews to see if it’s even worth making time to interview someone in person, and I totally get that, but a few minutes ago, I was thrown a little: A hiring manager called to schedule a phone interview. As I was opening my calendar to set a time for the phone interview, she asked me when would be a good time for me to come into the office to interview and had me select a time for that, too.

I thought phone interviews were what determined whether an in-person interview would even happen – am I missing something here?

Maybe I should add that I just submitted an application yesterday afternoon and also that a friend kindly put in a good word for me.

That’s odd. Unless (a) the phone interview is with a different person than the in-person interview and they want both opinions, or (b) they’re giving you some initial information in the phone interview that will help you prepare for the in-person interview (including things like “we’d love for you to think about X and come prepared to discuss your thoughts on it when we meet in-person”). But otherwise, yes, the phone interview is generally used to help decide whether to bring you in for a more in-depth in-person interview.

is there a nice way for an interviewer to short-circuit an interview if the candidate obviously isn’t right?

A reader writes:

I’m very interested in your point of view (and your readers). As a manager, we all have had to interview a person where you know 5 minutes in that there is zero chance you are going to proceed with them. Sometimes it’s a lack of interest on their end, inability to answer clearly or professionally, or maybe just being woefully unqualified. Is there a nice way to cut bait?

I like to treat people interviewing with respect and dignity, and always try to be as hospitable as possible. However, carrying someone through a conversation for 25-30 minutes who you know isn’t a fit is just a waste of their time and yours.

How do you politely say, “Thanks, that’ll be all?”

This is one of the huge advantages of doing phone screens before bringing people in for in-person interviews. You can’t eliminate this problem altogether, but you can cut way down on it.

But you’ll still run into it on occasion. There are candidates who seem great on paper and who do pretty well when you talk through the basics on the phone, but when you bring them in, they have an obvious deal-breaker pretty early on. Or, you might work in an organization that strictly dictates what hiring procedures you’re allowed to use and for unknown reasons doesn’t phone-screen candidates first (or that has someone inept selecting candidates to bring in to interview with you). If that’s the case, you should push back on those practices.

In any case, whether or not there’s a polite way to cut the interview short depends on what the person’s specific deal-breaker is.

If the reason is something that you can easily articulate, it makes sense to do that. For instance, let’s say that you thought from a candidate’s resume that they’d had pretty significant experience in curriculum design, but when you start probing into the details of it, you discover that they’ve only delivered trainings that other people have designed. You might say something like this: “For this role, we’re really looking for fairly deep experience with curriculum design, so it sounds like it’s not quite the right fit. I’m sorry we didn’t catch that earlier. I so appreciate you taking the time to come in, and I’d be glad to keep you in mind if we have something in the future that’s more focused on curriculum delivery.” (And again, ideally you’d ask the right questions to catch this in a phone interview, but sometimes something weird like this slips through.)

You can use a softer version of this too, airing your concerns but leaving it more in the candidate’s court to decide whether to continue talking. For instance, if the candidate makes it clear that they adore old-school PR and you really need someone who’s passionate about social media, you could say, “This role is heavily focused on social media and doesn’t involve much traditional PR. Knowing that, does it make sense to continue talking, or are you really looking for something with a different focus?”

But often at this stage, instant deal-breakers are likely to be things that you don’t really want to articulate on the spot — for instance, that their answers are vague and don’t show any insight, or their appearance is so horridly unkempt that you could never put them in front of the audiences they’d need to work with, or that they’re oddly combative, or any other of the myriad interpersonal reasons that are a lot harder to explain to someone’s face than an experience mismatch.

And when that’s the case, I’d say the best thing to do is to continue on with the interview, but without spending as much time as you’d generally spend with a strong candidate. For instance, if you’d normally talk for an hour, you can probably wrap up in 30-40 minutes by asking fewer questions (I’ll usually cut out the ones designed for lengthier, more in-depth discussion). It might feel like a waste of time, but it’s an investment in good will — because after all, this is someone who set aside to come in and talk with you, probably spent time preparing beforehand, might have taken time off work, etc. It’s a recognition of that.

And actually, one way you can spend that time is in probing more into the areas where you think they’re lacking. If you’re mentally rejecting them because they seem weak in X, make it your job to test that belief. If what you hear confirms your original impression, well, you’ll know you were right. But for all you know, you might discover that the story is slightly different than what you thought at first. Or even if not, you might learn enough about them to think of them for a different role in the future, or to realize that they really should contact your friend Phobeus Ridgemont, who is looking for someone just like them.

I’ve had 10 interviews and no offers — am I the problem?

A reader writes:

I was laid off in July and have been looking for a job since then. To date, I’ve had six interviews (two more pending) but no offers. If you count the interviews I had before I got laid off, the total number is 10.

How many failed interviews is a sign that I am the problem? I understand it’s a tight job market and there are loads of qualified applicants applying to each opening, but isn’t 10 interviews a bit much? I’m getting very discouraged and embarrassed. And if I am the problem, how can I figure out what I’m doing wrong?

Ugh, this is a tough spot to be in, where you’re starting to question if the problem is you. And even tougher, I can’t really give you an answer from here. It’s possible that you’re the problem (or that your interview skills or references are the problem). But it’s at least equally likely that it’s just the crappy job market. There are a lot of great candidates out there interviewing, and so you can be good at what you do and still get rejected — multiple times — because someone else just ended up being better. (Or a better fit for that particular manager/team/culture, totally aside from skills.)

And after all, if you assume that employers interview four or five candidates in-person for each job opening, then that means that you have an 75-80% chance of getting rejected for any job you interview for.

That said, I can see why 10 interviews with no offers is starting to feel like a lot, and it’s sensible that you’re looking at whether there’s something you should do differently. My advice is this:

* Read the hell out of my (free) guide on how to prepare for an interview. Are you doing everything in there? And I mean all of it? That stuff makes a big difference. If you’re not doing all of it, start and see if that changes anything.

* Have you tried asking for feedback from an interviewer? Pick one who you had a particular rapport with and reach out to them with an email. Say something like this: “I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me about the X job. I want to ask you a favor: I’m extremely interested in moving into a position like X, and I would be so grateful for your feedback about how I can better position myself to do that. Is there anything in the way that I interview that you think might be holding me back? Are there weaknesses that I can tackle, or anything else that you think might help me pursue a similar position in the future? Please understand that I’m not in any way taking issue with your decision, but rather asking for help. I’d really appreciate any advice you can share with me.”

Some employers won’t give feedback no matter how nicely you ask for it, but framing it like this — a humble and genuine request for insight — significantly increases your chances of getting it (as opposed to a more perfunctory “I would appreciate any feedback you can give me” email, which is easier to brush off).

* Think about who else you might be able to get candid feedback from. Do you have a brutally honest friend (or even better, former coworker) who knows you well enough to tell you if there’s anything in your approach that might be holding you back? Do you know anyone who does hiring who’d be willing to do a mock interview with you and give you blunt feedback afterwards?

* Make sure there’s nothing in your references that could be causing problems. Unless you’re 100% sure that your references aren’t the issue, one option is to have a friend with a highly professional demeanor check your references for you. If you find any problems there, here’s some advice on how to try to mitigate that.

But it also really might just be the job market. It’s taking lots of good candidates a long time to find a job in this market — even up to a year or more. So look at the stuff above as things that are all worth doing regardless … because they’ll make you a better candidate either way. Good luck.