2 more reader updates by Alison Green on January 3, 2014 Here are our two final reader updates from this batch. 1. The reader whose manager was overly confrontational with other departments (#1 at the link) I talked with my manager about the meeting, and told him I didn’t see evidence of a lot of the problems he had with the department. For example, he felt one of the staff members was always defensive about her work, but she didn’t come across as defensive that day. I think I got him to cede a little ground, but he still maintained his aggressive attitude towards the other department. In the end it didn’t matter, since a month later, the new VP of our department fired my boss and restructured. She wasn’t in the meeting where he was a jerk, but I think she fired him mostly for personality reasons. We’re still hiring his replacement and I’ve taken on a lot of stretch projects in his absence. When I joined projects with the other department, they were totally thrilled to have me on board. My new VP is doing strategic planning with my department, and during a SWOT, I mentioned the tension between the two departments and that it’s impacted my work in that I’ve felt like I’ve needed to apologized for our department. With the new VP, that aggressive attitude towards the other department has largely dissolved. My old VP encouraged that attitude towards the other department, and I think my old manager and other department managers played into that to get on her good side. My new VP is much more collaborative and easier to work for than my old VP, and it’s like our whole department is recovering from workplace PTSD. I’ve really tried to take your “awesome hard-ass” mantra to heart and be a total rock star in my work. I’m relatively new in my career, and so far it’s been a productive example to follow. My new VP thinks I’m doing great work and just gave me a 26% raise, which is absolutely unheard of in my nonprofit. I thought it was funny that last year when my old boss gave me a 10% raise, he talked up how 10% is a huge raise in our nonprofit. Thanks for all your advice, specifically for this question as well as generally! 2. The reader wondering about whether to disclose depression to a manager (#3 at the link) First, I want to thank you and your readers for the kind and thoughtful comments! Some of the stories and information shared were very helpful, and I still refer to them months later. The comment from “The Editor” (May 21, 9:55 AM) meant a lot to me, especially being in a male-dominated field, so I hope he is reading this and knows how much I appreciated it! As an update, I’m approaching a year since my initial breakdown and have come a long way. Therapy and antidepressants are helping, but it was also a huge step to follow your advice and tell my manager what was happening. She was very understanding, helped me get my workload back under control, and even told me about a close family member who had a similar problem. Saying it was a huge relief is an understatement! Since then I’ve gotten some additional responsibilities with visibility to senior leadership, a great review with a salary increase, and my confidence is more or less restored. My work life is going very well, even if my personal life still needs some work. As a side note, at the holidays I wanted to do something to show my manager how grateful I was for everything she’s done, but she follows your philosophy of gifts only flowing downward (Woohoo!) So I gave her a card with a note thanking her for everything, with specific examples… and it seemed like she really appreciated it! So here is another vote for not giving extravagant gifts to managers. You may also like:how can I tactfully point out to coworkers that a miscommunication error is theirs?new manager keeps telling us we're frustrated and defensiveI reported my boss's boss for racism and now feel guilty { 10 comments }
should I apply for the stretch job or the slightly-less-of-a-stretch job? by Alison Green on January 3, 2014 A reader writes: I learned through a listserv that several positions are open at a consulting firm. One is a senior level position that involves developing curricula and trainings for a variety of clients. This one made my heart race: it scares me because it would be a huge new challenge with much higher stakes, but feels more aligned with my long term career goals and really exciting. I immediately started writing a cover letter and tweaking my resume. And I wrote back to the person who posted it on the listserv and asked for a hiring manager’s name for this specific position and she nicely shared it with me. So theoretically, I could ship this application out tomorrow. But I keep doubting my abilities to get my foot in the door, let alone succeed in the job. This firm is also hiring a project manager. Being a project manager is not my long-term goal. But in some ways this feels like a more natural next step from what I’m currently doing, and I keep thinking that maybe I should apply for that, see if I can get an interview and get hired, and then see if it makes sense to eventually try to transition onto the trainings team. Is this a YOLO/Lean In moment where I should apply to the harder reach of a job, or should I Lean Sideways-Diagonally-In and apply for a job that’s less exciting on paper, but would still challenge me a lot and which might be a more realistic way out of my miserable current job? I should definitely only apply to one of the two, right? Without knowing how much of a reach the first job would be for you, it’s hard to say. If it’s one step up, absolutely you should apply. If it’s more of a stretch than that — if it would mean skipping several normal rungs on the ladder to get there — then it’s more of a question. Do you meet most of the qualifications they listed? If so, it’s not so far out of reach that you shouldn’t apply. On the other hand, if you don’t meet many of the qualifications, then that’s an answer too. As for whether you have to pick one and only one … I get asked versions of that all the time and wish I had a definitive answer for it, but I don’t. At some places, the best thing to do would be to apply for both. At other places, they’d really want you to pick one. And at some places, if you applied for one, they’d still consider you for the other if they thought it was a good match. Others wouldn’t. There’s just no one answer that works all the time for this scenario, so you’re left doing what feels like the most sensible option to you in the specific context you’re facing. In this case, I do think that if you apply to the project manager position and not the senior role, they probably won’t consider you for the senior one … because you’d sort of be saying “I don’t think I’m ready for that role,” and if you don’t think you’re ready, they won’t either. Of course, the flip side of that is that if you only apply for the senior role and not the project manager role, you risk them assuming you wouldn’t be interested in the latter and thus considering you for neither. So there’s just no perfect answer. But given the specifics of your case, I don’t see why you can’t just apply for both. You’d need to write a separate cover letter for each (making each quite distinct from the other; no sending a generic letter here and just changing the first paragraph), and mention in each that you’re also applying for the other role and why. That feels straightforward and reasonable to me — and if it does to you too, then I say go for it; after all, part of the hiring process is to weed out people who define “reasonable” differently than you do. You may also like:a coworker is harassing my neighbor (who is having chemo)here's an example of an excellent cover letternew coworker with my exact experience got hired at a higher level than me -- how upset should I be? { 17 comments }
open thread by Alison Green on January 3, 2014 It’s our biweekly open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on anything you want to talk about. If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet, but this is a chance to talk to other readers. You may also like:our new phones have fewer speed dial buttons and everyone is freaking outhow do I interrupt my boss in person when I need something?I'm burned out and overworked and my bosses keep piling more work on me { 945 comments }
my new coworker is rude to clients, my company won’t give me my personal laptop back, and more by Alison Green on January 3, 2014 It’s five short answers to five short questions. Here we go… 1. My new coworker is rude and hostile to clients I have a new coworker who sits behind me and who I have only known for a month. She is super nice to me, but lately I have noticed her having outbursts over the phone at patients. I work in the healthcare industry and we have access to sensitive information and sometimes we call people who don’t feel comfortable talking to us. Lately, about one to two times a day, she has been getting in arguments with patients and acts rude/ somewhat hostile, and instead of just resolving the problem professionally, she seems to not understand normal customer service ethics. She has told me several times that she has “anger problems” and has shared personal problems she has. After these heated arguments, she gets so upset that she doesn’t do anymore work for about 20-30 minutes and keeps the negative attitude throughout the day. This week, I have a trainee, and since we can typically hear everything that goes on with this coworker, I’m afraid this is going to negatively affect my training, as well as bring complaints towards my department because of her. I am also very worried about my coworker’s well-being. She needs this job, so I feel guilty if I could possibly get her fired, but I don’t know how to handle this. I don’t want to gossip about this to other people, but my manager and her boss respect me and I feel like this is something I should mention to them. Would the best way to confront this situation be to confront the coworker (I’ve tried casually mentioning advice on dealing with patients who don’t want to confirm info a couple times), talk to the person who trained her, or go straight to my manager? If you’ve tried giving her advice and she’s not taking it, you really should talk to your manager about what you’re seeing. The behavior you’re describing is serious, so it’s something your manager should be in the loop about. You can say something like, “Lately Jane has been getting into arguments with patients and being hostile with them once or twice a day, every day, and then seeming very upset for the rest of the day afterwards. I’ve made some suggestions to her, but it’s continuing.” You can add, “Do you have advice on how else I might approach her about this?” if that makes you more comfortable, but this is serious enough that you don’t need to frame it that way. A good manager isn’t going to fire your coworker on the spot, but will lay out clearer expectations for her and give her a chance to meet them. But if she’s going to eventually get fired over this, that’s going to happen sooner or later anyway — it’s just a question of how long it takes your manager to discover the problem. (And the longer it goes on, the harder it will likely be for your coworker to change — plus, she’s doing real damage to your company meanwhile.) 2. I gave my office my personal laptop for repair and now they won’t return my personal files I work from home and was using my personal laptop for work. My laptop stopped working suddenly and since it had work files that we needed, my boss agreed to have a computer person at the company look at it. I sent the laptop to the guy and they were able to take the hard drive out as it was still working. He told me to he would return the hard drive to me and I could plug it in to any computer with a USB and still be able to access the files. My manager ended up sending me an old laptop with some of the work files I needed and hardly any of my personal files. He will not respond to me when I ask for the personal files, which I clearly stated from the beginning that I needed also, since the laptop was a personal laptop that I bought with my own money. I email him about it and get no response. What can I do now? He is also giving me about 10 hours a week now when he was giving me 30, so I think he has found someone else to do my work now that he has all of the files. Anyways, I am wondering if there is anything I can do to get my hard drive back since in my opinion he is basically stealing it. For starters, stop emailing and pick up the phone and call. Have a conversation with him and find out what’s going on. If you can’t reach him that way and your office is near enough to you, go there in person and talk to him. Meanwhile, you should also try contacting the tech guy directly and state clearly that you need your hard drive returned to you. I do wonder if the reason you’re getting the runaround on this is because they didn’t keep the hard drive and now don’t have your personal files and are too cowardly to tell you. But you won’t know until you get more assertive about talking to one or both of them. 3. I manage a team of writers who aren’t great writers I am a writer who currently manages one person and have been told that my team will soon increase to five. However, the people I will manage are not great writers. The expectation is that I will somehow help them meet our CEO’s high standards through my burgeoning leadership skills. Unfortunately, I’m not convinced that this is possible! I’m unable to devote all my time to development (I’ve tried this in the past with only limited success) and yet I still need staff who can create effective communications under pressure. Do you have any tips on improving the performance of an average team, let alone a team of writers? These employees have many skills to offer, but written communication isn’t their strong suit. It’s very, very difficult to make people better writers, at least not without a significant investment of time — which usually isn’t the right use of a manager’s time and resources. If writing is a key skill needed for the job, you may be looking at a team of people who aren’t right for the jobs they’re in. You can certainly try the usual course of action for subpar performance — lay out clear expectations, explain where they’re falling short, and give them a chance to meet that bar — but I’d also start talking now with your own manager about the gap between your staff’s skills and what you need, so that you’re both on the same page about the situation and how to proceed. 4. My coworker told me she might not return from vacation I work in a health and weight-loss field, and as you can imagine, January is a very busy season for us. I will be out of the country for my honeymoon, and a coworker informed me that she will be on approved vacation while I’m away. We both have coverage, which is great. I am concerned, however, that my coworker will not return. She has told me about conflicts with our manager, and she mentioned that her vacation will be indefinite. Our manager does not know this. Although I have coverage in place, she does not, which is obviously problematic given our high volume of clients at that time and a substitute who may not be aware of the circumstances. My gut tells me to speak up and tell my manager. Not only does this absence affect me, but it affects clients, and the people who’ve willingly stepped in for us during this time. Is it appropriate to give my manager notice that my coworker may not return even though I don’t have proof? Yes. You shouldn’t make it sound conclusive if what she told you wasn’t definite, but you can simply relay what your coworker told you. For instance: “Jane mentioned to me that her vacation would be ‘indefinite’ and that might not return. I don’t know if she was serious or not, but I thought I should pass that along to you.” 5. My employer makes me wait to clock in until it gets busy Is it against labor laws for my employer to keep me on premises and make me wait to clock in for my shift until it gets busy, stating that they need me there and ready to clock in when it gets busy, sometimes for hours at a time? Yes, that’s illegal. If you’re required to be there, you must be paid for that time. You may also like:I pushed back on my coworker's bigotry: a success storymy coworkers come by my desk to check on emails right after sending themmy employees ignore my wife { 227 comments }
my manager is incredibly irritating and I’m ready to snap by Alison Green on January 2, 2014 This post was originally published on September 12, 2007, just four months after I started Ask a Manager. A reader writes: I’m working at my first full-time job, and I’ve been here for just over a year. The company is pretty small, only about 20 people, but still much larger than my last job where there was about six of us. We were all very close, and any issues were usually dealt with quickly and in a friendly manner. Smaller things were ignored – we figured that everybody did something that irritated other people, and we all learned to let the small things go. At my new job, I’m having some issues with my manager and I don’t know what to do. I feel like they are small things, but there are so many of them that I find I am stewing over them constantly when I am at work, making me snap at others, and I am brooding over them at home, making me a bore to my family and friends. Things like: * He constantly checks his email when he and I have meetings in his office. * He often talks for 20 minutes about his personal life in meetings and then wants to race through the work issues I need to discuss because he has another meeting to get to. * Not giving me enough information about tasks, and ignoring requests from me for the missing information, which results in me stuck halfway through a project. * A lack of energy in projects not his own – anything he wants has to happen immediately, anything I request happens when he feels like it, after two or three reminders, or when the General Manager asks for an update. * A lack of willingness to understand what other people do, and very bad listening skills; he constantly cuts people off and interrupts them. * Not keeping any company stationery in his own office and when he wants an envelope, etc. he walks over to my desk and goes through my pile of envelopes without even asking me, while I’m sitting at the desk (rather than go to the stationery cupboard). * Having a “sense of fun” and a “relaxed atmosphere in the office” which equates to him doing and saying things I dislike and find completely inappropriate for a work environment. On one memorable occasion, I returned from two weeks away to find a colleague who sits right outside his door would flinch every time I screwed up a piece of paper. When I asked what was going on, she said the manager was now in the habit of screwing up paper and throwing it at her. This has now stopped, but I am stunned that he thought it was acceptable in the first place! My problem is that I don’t know what to do about this. Other people in the office have approached me about these issues and feel the same way. The manager is a nice guy and I’m sure would feel awful that we feel this way about him, but it is really affecting my enjoyment at work and my ability to do my work in some cases. There are no performance reviews where I can anonymously let him know how I feel, and I know it would be excruciating to say this to his face, so what should I do? The work is actually very boring, and there is no possibility of advancement, so I’m looking for another job anyway. Should I just deal with it until I can go? Sometimes when you’re frustrated at work about legitimate issues, smaller things start to take on a life of their own and irritate you in a way that they wouldn’t in a different context. I think that might be going on here. You have a job you’re bored in and a manager you don’t like or find supportive. You’re looking for another job, but meanwhile, you’re letting yourself get upset about some things that are the sort of thing you’re likely to find in any job. My advice is to step back and separate the substantive issues from the ones that are just irritating you because, well, you’re irritated. Let’s take these one by one: He constantly checks his email when he and I have meetings in his office. This is annoying, I agree. But he’s also your boss and it’s his prerogative to do it. The most you can do is to say something like, “Should I come back at another time?” But in the end, this is one you should just try to ignore; you’re going to encounter it from many future bosses, I’m sorry to say. (For the record, I don’t advocate it, but I do know there have been times when I have a million things going on and I need to glance at my email in a meeting. I would never do it in, say, someone’s performance review meeting or just to distract myself, but there are times when I think the boss is entitled to do it.) He often talks for 20 minutes about his personal life in meetings and then wants to race through the work issues I need to discuss because he has another meeting to get to. Talking about his personal life when you need to be talking about work is not good. Try to head this off as soon as you sit down for the meeting, by announcing at the outset that you have a long list of issues to get through. If that doesn’t work, respond politely to whatever off-topic remark he makes and then bring it right back to what you need to talk about. For example: “That sounds like you had a great weekend. Well, what I wanted to ask you about was ….” Approach it as if the onus is on you to get the time you need from him. Not necessarily fair, but it’ll be more effective. Not giving me enough information about tasks, and ignoring requests from me for the missing information, which results in me stuck halfway through a project. Be aggressive here too. Do what it takes to get the info you need from him, or find other ways of getting it. Sometimes it can work to be very specific about your need, saying something like, “I need to talk with you about this by tomorrow afternoon or I won’t be able to complete it by the deadline.” If this doesn’t work, consider having a big-picture conversation with him, asking him how he would prefer you handle such situations. Sometimes people, particularly people early in their careers, assume that the responsibility for making sure they have what they need to do the job is their boss’s. But in fact, it’s yours. A good boss will check in with you and proactively ask what you might need to move things along, but you can’t let your own success rely on having a good boss; they are few and far between. A lack of energy in projects not his own – anything he wants has to happen immediately, anything I request happens when he feels like it, after two or three reminders, or when the General Manager asks for an update. I don’t know enough details here, but you’re going to have a lot of bosses who want their requests dealt with immediately, while yours have to wait. It’s the nature of hierarchy. It’s not necessarily evidence of unfairness or bad work habits — some bosses genuinely are always triaging work, and other projects may rightfully take priority. As the boss, they’re obligated to make those calls, so this is one of those things to try to accustom yourself to. (I feel like I’m killing your spirit here with all this “get used to it” advice. Sorry!) That said, it’s entirely possible he’s disorganized and unmotivated; I just don’t know enough to say. So keep in mind that this is legitimate in some cases and evaluate his behavior against that backdrop. A lack of willingness to understand what other people do and he constantly cuts people off and interrupts them. Some managers interrupt because they just need the upshot and not all the details they’re being given. Some managers interrupt because they’re rude and self-important. I don’t know which yours is, but either way, the best way to handle this is going to be to “manage up” — consider it your job to find a way to get across to him the info he needs to know in order for you to do your job effectively. Not keeping any company stationery in his own office and when he wants an envelope, etc. he walks over to my desk and goes through my pile of envelopes without even asking me, while I’m sitting at the desk (rather than go to the stationery cupboard). This is one of those that I think wouldn’t much bother you if you weren’t already aggravated. Try to ignore this … or give him his own personal supply of stationery and envelopes to use. Having a “sense of fun” and a “relaxed atmosphere in the office” which equates to him doing things like throwing crumpled paper at people. This is weird, without question, but it sounds like your manager is more socially awkward than anything else. (This made me think of Michael from “The Office,” in fact.) This is another one where I’d advise just seeing it as a quirk but not letting yourself take it too seriously. Ugh, now I’ve completely crushed your spirit and told you to suck it up and deal. But here’s the silver lining: If you can figure out how to work around whatever issues this manager may have and get what you need to do well, you’re going to have set yourself up with a really valuable skill that will serve you well in future jobs. Plus you’ll have learned it way earlier than most people. So for the remainder of your time there, see this as an awesome opportunity to hone some very useful professional skills. (And suddenly your job isn’t boring but rather a fascinating course in managing your manager!) Really, in a lot of ways, first jobs are more about learning these kinds of workplace survival skills than they are about anything else. I hope this wasn’t too discouraging. Let us know how it goes. * * * * * Sixteen days after this was originally published, I received this update from the letter-writer: “I’m not sure whether some of the strategies are working, or whether it’s just a general change, but my relationship with my boss is really going well at the moment. There is a much better communication level and he has more realisation of exactly what I am spending my time on, so he values it more. I’m really loving coming to work at the moment.“ You may also like:my employee gets stressed and frustrated and snaps at mehow do I know if a job I'm interviewing for is a lateral move or a step up?how to take feedback gracefully, without getting defensive { 73 comments }
how to find a mentor at work by Alison Green on January 2, 2014 You’ve probably read plenty of advice telling you to find a mentor – someone who can advise you on career decisions, help you navigate tricky politics, and generally help you succeed professionally. But how are you supposed to find this magical mentor? While you might have access to a formal mentoring program, or be courageous enough to simply ask someone to mentor you, it’s often more effective to let it happen naturally. In fact, some of the best mentoring relationships develop on their own without ever being officially labeled. Here’s how you can increase your chances of those relationships popping up naturally: 1. Look for people who you already click with. The strongest mentor relationships are ones that aren’t forced, but rather ones that develop naturally from good chemistry. 2. Ask questions about the other person, such as, “How did you do that?” And, “Why did you decide to handle that altercation in the meeting that way?” Or, “What was behind your decision to revamp this project?” Watch the person in action, and then talk with them about why they made particular choices. 3. Ask questions about yourself, such as “What do you see in my performance or approach that I could do better?” Or, “How can I be perceived as more ___?” And, “If I want to get from ‘x’ to ‘y’ in my career, how do I do that?” 4. Talk to them about dilemmas you’re facing in your job, and explain your thought process on how to handle it. Ask for advice. Run your proposed solution by them and see what they say. 5. Be worth mentoring. This means that you take their advice seriously and genuinely want to excel and advance in your career. A smart mentor will quickly lose interest otherwise. You may also like:my mentor gives me terrible advice and berates me when I don't follow itshould I report coworkers for mean tweets about an intern if someone could get caught in the crossfire?my mentor has become a QAnon conspiracist { 18 comments }
my reference stole a job from me, applying for a promotion after tardiness troubles, and more by Alison Green on January 2, 2014 It’s five short answers to five short questions. Here we go… 1. My reference applied for the job I wanted, after I told her about it I have been using three references regularly for the past couple years in my job search. One in particular I have known the longest. I worked with her for 6 years, then off and on again after the company (Company A) downsized me and she called on me for temp work. She even called on me last year to help her present at a conference in our industry. I recently was contacted by Company B, which had my resume on file from a past application. Someone had resigned and my resume indicated I might be a good fit, and they asked me to interview. I was ecstatic. It was my dream job. They set up a Skype interview for the very next business day. I even knew many people at company B who had previously worked with me at my previous employer, Company A, where my reference still worked. A couple days after the interview, I was meeting with my reference for hot drinks and gossip, and I filled her in on my lucky break and let her know I used her as a reference again. She agreed it was a perfect fit for me and seemed genuinely excited. I knew she was also looking to escape her job at Company A, but she had been pretty mum on her efforts to leave. A week later, Company B emailed me that they had decided to pursue other “more closely qualified” candidates. I was shocked, to say the least. I had even had people on the inside pulling for me. Well, yesterday, my reference calls up and giddily tells me she finally left Company A and has a new job. She’s been hired by “that place [I] told [her] about.” She didn’t say they contacted her directly or that she went and applied on her own, but either way she was very excited and mentioned she’d have to give me her new contact information since I use her as a reference. I managed to mumble congratulations before hanging up, but now I don’t know how I feel about using her as a reference. She knew how desperate I was for work – my husband has been unemployed or underemployed for years and we already lost our housing twice. Should I keep using her? Wow. What’s weirdest here isn’t just that she exploited what you told her for her own gain, but that she didn’t think there was anything odd about calling you up and announcing her new job without any acknowledgement that it was the job you were applying for yourself … which she appears to have learned about through you. It sounds like she made her giddy announcement to you without any sense at all of what was due to you — even if just an acknowledgement of the awkwardness. So yeah, she’s a crappy friend. But is she a crappy reference too? Oddly, I’m not sure that she is — I mean, obviously you shouldn’t use her as a reference for any jobs you think she might like to apply to herself because she might decide to go after them herself, but aside from that, is she likely to give you a bad reference? I don’t think you can conclude from any of this that she is — although it would be reasonable not to use her simply because she’s a crappy person and untrustworthy. 2. I love and hate my part-time teaching job I have a full-time job at a nonprofit which I generally like and I’m good at. It provides a decent living. A year ago, I was given the chance to teach part-time at a local university. I was thrilled at the opportunity, but I don’t really need the money. Teaching for me has been a roller-coaster ride. It has been both wonderful and awful. I am still learning the ins and outs of the teaching software, how to manage a class, and grading. I do have a master’s degree in education, but it didn’t really prepare me for the realities of teaching at the college level. I know my subject extremely well, but there’s a lot more to it than that. The compensation for teaching adds up to about 4% of my income but it takes a much larger chunk of my time and energy. I often use my lunch break or go to the library after work to work on my class. I have skipped going to the gym many times for this. I am constantly thinking of my class, and I am filled with anxiety more often than not about whether I am doing a good enough job. I lie awake at night thinking about it. It’s difficult managing my students and grading (I usually have more than 20 students). My department chair is kind and available as needed, but since I am only one adjunct teaching one class, and unable to be on campus during the workweek or really much at all due to my day job, I don’t get the experience of being around others who are doing the same type of work. I am planning to cry “uncle” and quit, saying I can’t handle this on top of my regular job (and commitments to family, fitness, etc.) but part of me doesn’t want to give up the only work that makes me so deliriously happy (when I’m not freaking out). I don’t have a terminal degree, so it’s highly unlikely I can ever make this a full-time career. Unless I go back to school. And I’m nearly 50, which is somewhat of a factor. I would love to hear any thoughts or insights you might have. In the starkest terms, it sounds like you need to figure out if the parts of teaching you love are worth the price that you’re paying for them (and that price seems to be time and anxiety). It might help you to talk to your chair or someone else who teaches to sort through this, but ultimately that’s the basic calculation you have to figure out: does the cost justify the benefit you receive? That’s easier said than done, of course, but it might help to look at it through that framework. 3. I don’t know if my manager remembers why I’m not part of our rotation for minor tasks I work at a bank, and several months ago, a colleague and I received promotions with the same job title, which included the ability to provide final approval on loans. On paper, we both had equal signing authority in terms of individual loan amounts, but as I was more experienced, I was given the green light to approve certain types of more complex, higher risk loans that he could not. Since his risk exposure is significantly less than mine, and as I am the only person in the department able to approve these types of loans (which are more complex and time-consuming), the old supervisor and manager agreed to pull me out of the rotation for other small minor departmental tasks. We’ve had a lot of change and turnover in management, and somewhere along the way, his internal restrictions were forgotten. He has been talking to new management as if he’s been engaging in the same complex and time-consuming files as me and is making me look terrible since I’m not engaged in any of the additional tasks that he and other team members in our department are required to do. What is the best way for me to handle this? Annual reviews are coming up, and I feel that because of this, I’m going to get the short end of the stick. Why not touch base with your manager to make sure that it’s still the case that you should be out of the rotation for the more minor tasks? Just say something like, “Since we’ve had some changes since this decision was made, I want to make sure that you still want me to stay out of the rotation for X, Y, and Z. We’d originally pulled me out of that stuff since I was the only one able to do ___ and Jane thought my time should be spent there, but I want to check with you and make sure that you want me to continue that arrangement.” (Also, keep in mind that it’s possible that your coworker’s internal restrictions weren’t forgotten, but deliberately changed.) 4. Applying for a promotion after being counseled for tardiness A supervisor position just became available in my department and I want to apply for it, but I have been written up for my tardiness in the past. This all occurred between August and October; in October when I got counseled is when I stopped. I had no idea until then how many tardies I had. The unfortunate thing is that they think they were helping me by allowing me to accrue so many, but in reality, it hurt me. However, since then I have been doing well. How do I honestly address this issue with the hiring manager? This is an internal position, and my current manager told me that the managers already knows about the tardiness, because they talk. I want to be straightforward and show that I have grown from this. Can you please help? That was pretty recent, so I’m not sure that I’d apply for a promotion so soon after it — because it’s going to be hard to be convincing that it’s truly in the past. To a good hiring manager, the issue isn’t going to be just that you’re no longer being tardy; it’s going to be more about whatever was causing all that tardiness to begin with. They’ll wonder about your work ethic, reliability, and so forth. So you’re probably better off building up a great track record on those fronts for a sustained period of time — six months at a minimum — before advocating for a promotion. 5. I don’t want to list my manager as a reference I relocated to a new city five months ago in order to be closer to my partner and I took the first job I was offered (literally moved on a Friday and started work that Monday). During that time, I have had three paychecks bounce, and am therefore actively seeking new employment. I have not informed my current supervisor, because when a colleague of mine told him she was looking due to the payroll problems, she was fired on the spot. If I decline to list my current supervisor as a reference on applications, explain why, and list a current coworker instead, is that going to be a kiss of death? You shouldn’t list a reference from your current employer at all; that’s completely normal, since most people don’t want their current company to know that they’re looking. 99% of prospective employers will understand that and will be willing to only contact references from previous jobs. You may also like:pushing back on unreasonable reference requests: a success storyis this company's interview process unreasonable?manager says I have to come in despite a doctor's note, boss interrupted me in the bathroom, and more { 145 comments }
4 more reader updates by Alison Green on January 1, 2014 Four more reader updates: 1. The reader whose new boss was worried she might be too high-energy (#2 at the link) I was lucky enough to have you answer one of my questions in late 2012, after I had just accepted a new job. Thanks very much to you and your readers for your advice – I read it thoroughly and took it to heart as I started my new job. I’m happy to say that the job is going extremely well, and it brought about an overall lifestyle change that I’m thrilled with (from a major city to a small rural town). Some of my worries were quickly put to rest when I realized that what had been interpreted as high energy was my interviewing persona, and that I must have come across as far more “up” than I usually am. I very quickly realized that even with my levels of energy and drive there was a massive amount of work delegated to this position, and it would be nearly impossible to overdo the amount I put into it. All of that is good, if exhausting! I have worked doubly hard to communicate with my supervisor and coworkers and to be explicit about my logic behind the new programming I am implementing, and to make sure that it is needed and wanted and not just for the sake of a fun idea. One thing that has particularly stuck with me from the comments was someone who cautioned me against being the “whack-a-mole from hell.” That was such a perfect analogy and is a good one still to keep in mind when I have the urge to toss out a new idea! No one wants to work with that person, least of all me, so I often ask myself if something I’m proposing actually adds to the conversation or is just a random mole jumping up. 2. The reader whose manager kept dangling a promotion in front of her that never happened I finally was promoted. However…. When my manager promoted me, she made comments like my numbers warranted the promotion, but I still had things to work on. It was not what she said, but how she said it. It came off like “Well, I can’t find a legitimate reason to not to promote you, but here are the reasons I think you don’t deserve it.” But it does not end there…. I followed the advice given to me after you posted your response: I spruced up my resume and applied for a new jobs. About a month after I was promoted, I landed myself a manager position at another company. Why did I leave after I was promoted? Because I still didn’t feel like valued worker, I still had to deal with the same manager, and my manager made me feel miserable. At my new job, I felt more valued in one day, then I did my entire time at my old job. 3. Managing a mentally disabled worker who wanted to do more I’d love to give you an update, but unfortunately it’s not a very happy one… After I wrote to you, we decided to let him shadow someone for a couple of hours a week, like some of your readers suggested, to at least give him the feeling that he’s learning something new. We were planning on seeing how that went, and if possible, give him real training. By then, he would’ve had some “experience” with the task we were planning on teaching him. This was going quite well. He seemed happier for a while. But about three weeks ago he completely broke down. He has since been commited in a mental health institution. His problems are far beyond anything we can handle here. So now we’re trying to prepare for when and if he comes back, which will be a challenge of a whole different kind. (if anyone ever had any experience with that, they’re welcome to let me know how they handled it) We’re all just hoping he’ll get better, but it’ll take some time… Thanks to everyone for their advice though, it did help. 4. My office landlord is rude and sexist (#2 at the link) I don’t know how much there is to say, because shortly after I wrote in he just stopped doing it. I don’t know if my boss talked to him, or if my other coworker did. So, that was good. But he still made sexist comments about women driving, and doing women’s work, etc. My coworker and I both kept calling him out on it. I actually kicked him out of the office after one incident. That felt good. Fortunately, I am no longer in that situation. I was laid off several months ago because they ran out of money to pay me. The recession didn’t affect them until well after everyone else’s finances tanked. I did have a generous severance and thanks to the amazing cover letter advice you give here, I start a new job in a week at a company I have admired for some time. It’s a career change for me, but I could not be more excited! Thanks for your help, you do so much good with your blog, books, articles, and everything you do. You may also like:remember the manager who wouldn't let her best employee attend her own graduation?how should I talk about my cancer diagnosis at work?does it look unprofessional to have an energy drink at my desk every day? { 38 comments }
update from the reader managing a lying sister-in-law by Alison Green on January 1, 2014 Remember the reader who was stuck managing her sister-in-law, who was planning to call in sick in order to go on a trip (#1 at the link)? Here’s the update. So here’s how things have been going supervising my sister-in-law. The day in question rolled around and, much to my relief, she showed up to work. But, it is still not easy being her supervisor. I have been supervising employees since 2007, and this is by far the most awkward situation I have been in. My sister-in-law is very prideful and our personal ties make dealing with this issue that much more challenging. Here is where my struggle started. She and another employee both applied for a full-time position and the other employee got the job. My sister-in-law has been rather cold to the other employee. Even worse, she was rude to me and my supervisor to the point where we had to have a sit-down discussion with her about her behavior. Well, her behavior did not improve and my supervisor and I were planning another discussion with her when I found out that she was losing her house and moving in with her mother. This fact softened both of us and we decided to cut her some slack as we both could understand why not getting the full-time position impacted her so much (although, in truth, the job didn’t pay enough to save their house if they were that far behind). But she never revealed to anyone at work that she was losing the house, just that she was moving. I have access to this information because of our personal lives. And after the move, her attitude did improve toward my boss and me. Oh, and here’s the worst thing about the personal lives intersecting. When she moved in with my mother-in-law, she brought bugs with her. My family went to my MIL’s house over Thanksgiving and saw bugs on the kitchen counters and crawling on the walls. My MIL’s house was NEVER like this before. We had a work potluck this week and I couldn’t warn other employees not to eat the food from her bug-filled house. The real work issue has to do with her pride. The reason my sister-in-law did not get the full time position is because she is not well-rounded with her skills. There is one particular skill that she is AMAZING at, but in our field one amazing skill is not enough. The employee that got the full-time position is well-rounded and knowledgeable in multiple areas and my sister-in-law could learn from her and me. But, because she is older and has experience in a similar field, she has put up this wall where she thinks she has nothing to learn from us. I know that I need to sit down and have a talk with her and explain that if she ever wants to get a full time position in her current field, she is going to have to be willing to learn the skills that we can teach her. And while her attitude toward the other employee has improved, it is still not good and I worry that she would fall flat on her face rather than ask for help with anything. This is not normal for people I supervise. I know from your response, as well as other readers that I just need to treat her as a non-relative and have a frank discussion about her behavior. But it would be an uncomfortable conversation with any employee and our “relative” status makes it that much harder. My organization has put me in a very bad position because if it ever came to a point where she needed to be written up or corrected, it could wind up very bad for me and the organization (i.e., lawsuit. And from the things I know about her personally she would totally go there). It may come to a point where I need to raise the issue to my supervisors and ask that my sister-in-law be transferred to another location. Transferring employees is not unheard of in our organization, especially in recent years and because of our positions, she is the one they would transfer, not me. I really hate that I have been put in such a questionable position because I have worked very hard to create a good, ethical reputation for myself and it is very important to me to be a good boss. Me again. I’m mainly printing these updates without commentary, but you really, really, really need to ask to have her moved. Explain that it’s a conflict of interest for you to manage a relative and that it’s become too difficult for you to juggle both relationships. She’s not getting the management she needs, and that’s bad for you, her, and the organization. Get her moved. You may also like:pregnant coworker keeps saying awful things to my terminally ill sisteremployer wants friends and family to participate in 360 feedback reviewsa happy ending { 34 comments }
confession: I used to suck at firing people by Alison Green on January 1, 2014 This post was originally published on March 21, 2008. I’ve written in the past about how firings should be done — and believe me when I tell you that that’s learned from hard experience. Hard, awful experience. In fact, one of the first times I had to fire someone, I really messed it up — largely because I was oblivious to the advice that I now chant like some sort of weird mantra to other managers. And today I’m going to tell you what happened so you can learn from what I did wrong. At the time, I was a relatively new manager, and when I took the position, I inherited a problem employee: painfully slow, constantly made mistakes that were seeding the database he worked on with tons of land mines, impervious to help, a general mess. Rather than addressing it straightforwardly with him like one obviously should do, I did what lots of inexperienced managers do: I handled him way too gingerly. I made “suggestions” and expressed concerns, but never did I tell him directly that the problems were so serious that he would be fired if his work didn’t improve. I was vague. I thought I was choosing the kinder option, protecting his feelings, which of course was ridiculous — there’s nothing kind about denying someone the opportunity to know they’re on the path to job loss. Inevitably, I ended up having to fire him — and because of my vagueness leading up to it, he was genuinely shocked, said he hadn’t seen it coming, even cried. I hadn’t been so kind, it turned out. And that’s not all. A couple of months later he sued, claiming I had fired him because he had Crohn’s Disease, which would have been a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act if it were true. I was baffled — I knew he’d been fired for poor performance and that the fact that he had a disability was irrelevant (and indeed, we ultimately won the suit). But by not being direct enough about how bad his performance was, I had opened the door to him speculating on what the cause might have been. I could have avoided a months-long legal mess (as well as his legitimate bewilderment) by just getting over my own discomfort and telling him forthrightly the ways in which his performance was unsatisfactory. I put my own comfort ahead of managing well, and as a result, I exposed my company to legal jeopardy and left an employee uncertain about why he was let go. Years later, I still cringe when I think about how my inexperience and misplaced desire to be nice made me a nightmare manager for that guy. These days, my employees who struggle hear about it — and some of them take the warnings and improve and some of them don’t, but none of them have been surprised by bad news since. You may also like:why do so many managers do firings and layoffs at the end of the day?I got fired for attending a conference that I wasn’t invited tomy company fired a bad employee, then un-fired him the same day { 48 comments }