open thread

photo 5It’s our monthly open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on anything you want to talk about. (If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet, but this is a chance to talk to other readers.)

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I don’t want to pay for business travel, hiring for skills vs. attitude, and more

It’s seven short answers to seven short questions. Here we go…

1. My employer is sticking me with part of the bill for out-of-town travel

My employer wishes me to work out of town occasionally. I have to stay in a hotel and obviously feed myself regularly. The company gives me a per diem rate of $110 to cover all my expenses. Unfortunately, this NEVER even comes close to covering my hotel costs — and I am not even being particular about a hotel. The city is Calgary, Alberta and take a peek online, there is nowhere that I can stay that will give me anything leftover for food costs.

I have explained to my employer that I am always out of pocket and I cannot afford to do this anymore. They have stated that this is all they will pay for my expenses. What are my options?

Sit down with your manager and say, “It’s costing me an average of $X of my own money each time I take a trip. I can’t continue to cover these costs, which are being incurred by our work, not me personally. I’ve looked for every place I can cut costs on these trips, but they each require around $Y, not the $X I’m allotted. Since I can’t continue to pay for them myself, what should we do?” If your company still won’t budge, then you’d be left to (a) refuse to take more trips, which may or may not jeopardize your job, (b) accept that you’re going to be paying $X in order to stay in your job, or (c) seek a new one, at a company that pays its own expenses.

2. Independent study as a way to stay current in your field

Your answer to the question in yesterday’s short answer post about taking a back-up job while continuing to seek work in your field, particularly the end where you mention being prepared “to talk about what you’ve been doing to stay current in your field,” prompted this question. What do you, as a hiring manager, think of independent study as a way to stay current in your field when your current job isn’t related to it or isn’t enough? I have been out of school for a little over a year (graduated May 2012) and while my current job looks relevant on paper, I actually don’t do much at all and don’t have any opportunities to develop skills, despite reaching out several times to my manager about this.

I am searching for a new job, but in the meantime I’ve been compensating by studying on my own time. I read books (ones I bought for classes and newer ones I’ve acquired since graduating), follow germane and reputable blogs, and learn software. Since I can’t “prove” I’ve been doing this, not with hard evidence anyway, would it be worth mentioning it in a cover letter or interview? I mean, anyone can say they’ve been keeping up on their own time, so maybe a hiring manager would either be skeptical or not care one way or the other if I bring it up. I’d really appreciate your insight.

Yes, absolutely you should mention it! If it makes sense to mention the software on your resume, you can list that there, and you can talk about the rest of it in your cover letter and interviews. Hiring managers love to see this kind of thing — it indicates a passion for your field, a desire to continue improving your skills, and self-motivation to do that stuff even when it’s not required; it’s the mark of a better-than-average employee, by far.

3. What leverage do I have in negotiating a higher salary for my promotion?

I literally fought for my promotion after being in the current role for 5+ years. Finally I made them budge by suggesting that I was going to apply for a higher position in a different department within the same company. I made up my mind to really move to that position, in case things did not go my way.

Now I am being offered a promotion with a 6% raise and was told either to accept it or stay in the current position. I was expecting at least a 10% raise and I know others in the promoted role are being paid at least 20% more than what I am making today in my current role. I want to know what leverage I have now and how to negotiate for more.

The leverage you have is your willingness to walk away from both jobs, and how much they’d care if you did. I don’t have any sense from here of how much they’d care, but you probably have at least some idea. (Be aware, though, that sometimes people overestimate that.)

You can certainly make the argument for the work and your skills being worth a higher salary, and you can back that up with market research, but they may or may not budge. If they don’t, you’ll have to decide if you’re interested in the terms being offered or whether you’d rather stay in your current job or look for one outside the company.

(Also, did you really “literally” fight for your promotion? That seems like it would be a firing offense.)

4. Is it better to hire for skills or attitude?

I am a fairly new manager, and I am in the position of having to hire new staff. One of my staff recently accepted a promotion so her position is vacant. My supervisor has told me to focus on skills when creating the job description — that it does not have to be the same exact position title or position as before. I am excited about the opportunity to shape my team, but I do have a dilemma about this. I have two junior staff on my team, and both of them have come to me about the position. One has the right can-do attitude, completes any task given to her, and she is looking to move ahead in the organization, but she lacks technical skills. The other has more technical experience, and she told me point-blank that she would be resentful if the other junior staff member got promoted because she feels that she would have to train her to be able to do the job she is promoted to. I made no promises to either of them and thanked them for expressing their views.

My question to you as I write the job description — is it better to have someone in a team lead role who has a strong work ethic and is all around positive and can learn the skills or is it better to hire someone based on skills only? What is most important — the skill set or the attitude and growth potential?

It depends on the job. There are some jobs where it might make sense to hire for attitude and teach the work itself, when it won’t require a major investment of time to do so. There are other jobs where experience and a pre-existing skill set are essential. I don’t know which you’re dealing with, but I do know that what you never want to do is hire only for skills. That’s a recipe for disaster. You might require the skills to be there, but you should always require the right attitude to be there — because that’s something that you can’t really teach, nor should you spend your time trying. So if your second staff member has a poor attitude, I’d discount her based on that alone.

That doesn’t mean that you should hire the other one though … which leads me to this: Is there a reason you’re determined to pick between these two people, rather than opening the job up and comparing these two to outside candidates? You might find a candidate who has the skills, attitude, and growth potential that you want — and you should hire the best person for the job, not confine yourself to a choice of two.

5. Should I evaluate my current job on where it might take me in 5-7 years?

I have been told a few times that if I want to be promoted, I should be evaluating my current positions on a 5-year basis — i.e., if there is no room to move up in the next 5-7 years, I should leave the company and find a new company with more growth potential. Do you think this 5-year plan is a valid theory, especially with the high unemployment rate?

I think it’s useful to think about where you want to be in 5-7 years and whether your current job is positioning you well for that — but that doesn’t mean that it has to provide you with room to move up within the company. Your current position might have no growth potential internally but might be positioning you really well to eventually move up outside your company. It’s about growth potential generally, not specific to your current organization.

6. Should I cover scars on my arms for interviews?

I graduated school back in December and have been applying to jobs ever since. More recently, I have been going on interviews that have gone quite well. I would love to get one of these jobs, but I was cutter for about ten years and as such have scars from it (a lot of scars and some that are quite noticeable). I read your post about bruises and cuts, but my question is should I keep my scars covered in interviews, and while I am at work in general?

I worry that it will cause potential or future employers to worry about my mental health, and thus whether if I would be a good fit. I tend to wear a lot of cardigans because I love them, but also don’t want to make people feel uncomfortable, but this has raised a lot of questions in the warmer months. I am hard worker and I tend to be private, and don’t want what was a past problem to be cause for concern now.

I’d cover them for interviews, mainly because you don’t want an interviewer focusing on anything about you other than how you’d do in the job. But I wouldn’t use a cardigan for that — in most industries, that’s too informal for an interview. You want a suit jacket for interviews.

Once you’re in a job, you have a lot more leeway. If you don’t feel like covering your arms, you shouldn’t have to — but if you feel private about it, there’s no reason you can’t wear cardigans (lightweight ones in the summer). If anyone asks you about it, you can simply say you get cold easily. And given the prevalence of overly air conditioned offices, you’re probably not going to be the only one in a cardigan anyway. Good luck.

7. Should I jump ship or stay where I am?

I work in an industry (media) where building my profile outside the company is really important.

I work for a smallish company that’s doing pretty well, and I recently asked for my job title to reflect the job I’m actually doing (which I started doing when the person who was doing it was fired).

The company is dragging its feet on this. I never get a “no,” I just get a “Well, there’s a lot going on right now and I’ll have to think about it.” I’ve asked three different people at various levels of the command chain about this over the past six months, and all that’s happened in the meanwhile is that my workload and responsibility — and to be fair, my level of public exposure — have increased while my pay and job title have not.

Meanwhile, there’s an opening at a competitor at the level I’m looking for that I could probably get. But it’s a back-end job that won’t see me building as much of a profile outside the company as I am now. Should I cut my losses here and jump ship? Or will moving into a back-office role not be worth the pay raise in the end?

I don’t know — which will better serve your long-term professional interests? It sounds like your current one might, but there’s not enough information here for me to know.

What I can say for sure, though, is that your choices aren’t to stay in your current job or to take a job that doesn’t sound like it would serve your professional interests as well. Your choices are to stay in your current job or conduct a search for work elsewhere — not just at this one competitor.

I got two job offers out of the blue from companies I’ve never been in contact with

A reader writes:

A few days ago, I got a job offer via email out of nowhere for a personal assistant job from someone claiming to be a realtor. He told me it was a home-based job and that I could be in any location to be able to work for him. He seemed enthusiastic.

A second home-based job offer came in yesterday from a payroll company asking me to be a payroll specialist of some kind.

I certainly didn’t apply for the two jobs and I have no idea how they found me. It was kind of like I opened my inbox with two job offers waiting for me. I asked them in an email but they did not clear me on the matter.

While grateful for the two offers, both of them kind of sprang out at me, both via email without any prior conversation, making me somewhat skeptical. It’s just right now I really need the money but I can feel my suspicions taking over. Should I accept them? What should I specifically be careful about?

Yeah, I’d suspect scams. Companies don’t typically reach out to random strangers and often them jobs. Even if they found your resume online or saw your LinkedIn profile and thought you’d be a strong potential candidate, typically there’s an interview process — people don’t just reach out cold, with no prior contact, and make job offers. (Exception: Unless you have an incredible reputation and they reference that in their message, but that’s fairly unusual, and even then they’d still generally want to interview you first. And it’s not generally realty or payroll specialist jobs where that happens.)

You can certainly write back and ask for more information — no harm is going to come of that — but I’d stay alert for all the usual signs of scams. For instance, if they want your social security number or other personal information, if they want you to pay for a credit check or background report, or if they want money or personal information for any reason, those are all signs to cease contact.

But I’d be shocked if these weren’t scams.

how can 20somethings know if something is worth complaining about or leaving a job over?

A reader writes:

If one is unhappy at their work, whether it’s due to their actual responsibilities or problems with their bosses, coworkers, clients, etc., how would one then determine whether it’s a legitimate grievance that grants the right to action, such as speaking to one’s manager, looking for another job, or even resigning without having found another job, or whether it’s a normal part of the working condition that will improve or one just needs to get used to.?

I understand that this is a very general question that does not have the same answer to every situation, but is there a general rule that one can go by? And does money, experience, length of stay, etc. have any impact on the answer to the first question? For example, does it matter if one if unhappy at a job that pays $25K, $50K, or $150K, or whether they have been at their place for 5 months, 1 year, or 5 years?

Those from “older generations” say that individuals my age and generation (late 20s, Generation Y) are just lazy, irresponsible, and think we have the right to a perfect job right out of college. I understand their point and maybe we (the Generation Y) need to lower our expectations, but I have also known people who stayed at jobs that were making them utterly miserable for years. It’s similar to divorce: not too long ago, people stayed in a really bad marriage for the sake of the children or because of societal pressures; however, now, people get divorced at the first sign of diminished passions. So how does one find that balance between not giving up too easily and also not falling into dutiful martyrdom?

You’re right that there’s not  one across-the-board rule, because it depends on the specifics of the situation — but in general, a few principles are worth considering:

First, the more in-demand you are, the more able you are to speak up when you’re unhappy and to walk away for something better. If you’re not an especially marketable candidate, you don’t have as much ground to stand on when insisting on something better (or options to turn to if you don’t get what you want). That’s why people often find it a bit silly when less experienced people leave jobs over complaints that are common or relatively minor in the scheme of things — although it’s of course still reasonable when the issues are bigger. (I’d put harassment, real cruelty, chronically broken promises, and being expected to do something illegal, immoral, or unsafe in the “bigger issues” category.)

But complicating things is that fact that when you’re less experienced, you can’t always judge the relative seriousness of an issue very well. The more experience you have in the work world, the better perspective you’re able to have when it comes to figuring out if the thing troubling you is:
* common and not really a big deal
* truly outrageous
* something you can or can’t realistically avoid wherever you go
* something worth taking a stand over
It’s often hard to judge those things well when you don’t have tons of experience.

You asked how to tell if something warrants a wide list of actions, including speaking to your manager, looking for another job, or resigning without having another job. In general, the latter is something most people need to avoid, both because it can take a really long time to find another job (a year or more for many candidates in this market) and because you’re generally less attractive to new employers once you’re unemployed, which will make what might have already been a long job search even longer and harder. There are some things that warrant quitting without another job lined up, but they’re pretty rare.

But as for speaking to your manager, a good manager will want to know if you’re unhappy about something, particularly if you’re contemplating leaving your job over it. Of course, as with anything, your specific complaint (and the way you approach it) can reflect on your judgment. If you go to your manager because you’re frustrated spending three hours a day in useless meetings, that’s reasonable. If you go to her because you’re annoyed you don’t get senior-level projects when you’ve only been on the job for a year, that’s going to make you look naive. So you also want to factor in how reasonable an objective observer would find your concern, and — importantly — how equipped you are to make that call. If you’re pretty inexperienced, it’s important to recognize that that probably impacts your ability to assess this stuff.

All of this points to proceeding with caution when you’re relatively new to the work world — and testing your assessment of a situation with people you respect who have more experience to draw on. It doesn’t mean that you aren’t entitled to push back on something or leave a job if you’re unhappy — that’s your prerogative at any time. But it’s wise to make sure that you understand the potential consequences of that action and how it’s likely to be perceived by people around you — and that’s the piece that I think is sometimes missing when people are less experienced, and what has led to some of the stereotypes that you describe.

my interviewer said she was “disgusted” with my answer

A reader writes:

I had a second job interview where the hiring manager asked me, “What are your biggest pet peeves in the workplace?” I shared that I get frustrated when people want to sit around and talk about things at length but never actually do anything. I lightheartedly explained that in Texas we had a saying for people like this: “all hat and no cattle.”

She asked me to elaborate and give her an example, so I said I once had a supervisor who would make lots of long speeches about how we needed to “be strategic” or “be proactive” — but when it came to discussing how we would actually carry out something strategic, she would never actually do anything, nor would she allow us to do it. I also said I have been on teams with people where they love to sit around and talk about issues, but I end up having to shoulder their part of the actual work, and I get frustrated in those kinds of situations.

A week later, I hear back; I didn’t get the job. Ok, that happens. I asked if she had any feedback for my interview, and she said that she was “disgusted” that I was willing to “trash talk” my former workplaces in an interview, and that she realized I was a very negative and bitter employee . I was puzzled, so I asked for clarification, and she said it was my answer to the pet peeves question (I never named anyone specific, just gave generic examples like they are worded above).

At first I thought her response was unwarranted; after all, this is my biggest pet peeve in the workplace, and I want to be honest about what kind of culture I fit into! But then I thought — maybe this does make me look negative or bitter? Am I violating the “never trash talk your old boss” rule here?

I can’t say for sure without knowing exactly how you answered this question. It’s possible that you did sound bitter or overly negative. But it’s certainly feasible that you gave the answer you described here in a perfectly professional way that shouldn’t have alarmed a reasonable person.

I’m leaning toward the latter, because your interviewer sounds like a loon — she was “disgusted” by your answer? That’s bizarrely extreme, and so it seems likely that she was the problem, not you. (I’ve done a lot of interviews in my life, and I can only think of one time I was “disgusted” by a candidate’s answer to something, and that was because he made an anti-semitic remark. “I don’t like people who are all talk and no action” doesn’t even come close to something that should elicit disgust.)

Moreover, she asked you a question that directly solicited a negative response! What workplace pet peeves would she have found acceptable for you to mention? The brand of chips stocked in the office snack machine? The slight breeze from the air vent that occasionally displaces your papers?

She asked a question, and you gave her a straightforward, substantive answer. Unless you were far more negative than you came across here, she sounds like a bullet dodged.

will a back-up job hurt me in the future, companies with no online presence, and more

It’s seven short answers to seven short questions. Here we go…

1. Is a back-up job going to hurt my chances in the future?

I graduated in January and despite having experience have not been able to find a position in my field. I’ve been pushed by my family to take a retail job as a “back up,” especially since my family and I have started paying my loans back. I’ve recently taken a job at a big box retailer. I was hoping I could do freelance on the side, but I’ll be working in the store 30+ hours a week so I don’t know if that will be feasible. I know I’m not the only one in this economy who’s had to take a retail job to keep their head above water financially, but I’m afraid it’ll hurt my chances in the future and I’ll be stuck there. Do you have any advice?

Also, do I have to list this job on my professional resume? I obviously wouldn’t try to hide it from employees if they asked, but this job is in no way related to my field and it would be a waste of space on my resume.

Retail work isn’t likely to hurt your chances more than simply not having recent work experience in your field. So the question is really whether it will make you less likely to pursue other jobs, go on interviews, and take on freelance work that could bulk up your resume. If you can minimize those impacts, I wouldn’t have any worries about this at all; if that’s the case, you’re not adding any problems, just income. (And even if that’s not the case, financial realities might dictate that you need to take this work anyway.)

You don’t need to put it on your resume. It’s generally better to be able to show recent or current work, but (a) it’s not at all in your field and (b) as a recent grad it’s not unusual to not have been working in your field yet. That said, you’ll want to be prepared to talk about what you’ve been doing since January to stay current in your field — so make time for at least a bit of those sorts of activities too.

2. Can I decline this networking request for our alumni’s contact info?

I work as a graduate program admin in a state university. A few days ago one of our graduates — someone who graduated in the mid-80’s — emailed me and asked me if I could send him names and emails of people he went to graduate school with (in our program) so that he could network and make new connections. He wants to network because he has written a book and would like to “advertise it and sell his wares.” I do have some of their contact info, but it doesn’t seem right to share any contact information with him, and certainly not information for people who have not been here for almost 30 years and who did not ask to be “networked” with. Is this an appropriate request, in your opinion? What would you reply to a request like that? I’m sure he’s not trying to be jerky, and I certainly don’t want to be rude.

Yeah, I’d tell him that you can’t allow your alumni list to be used for advertising. However, it really depends on the policies of your program — most alumni offices have guidelines about how they will and won’t supply people’s contact information, and to who. So ideally you’d already have some rules in place to cover this. If you don’t, though, I don’t see any reason why you can’t decline, perhaps also explaining that these people haven’t given permission to have their information shared.

3. Should I have told my interviewer about another job I’d prefer?

What is your opinion on telling potential employers about other job offers or that I’m waiting to hear from offers during an interview? I ran into this problem on an interview that was my second choice, with an interviewer who wanted to hire me on the spot. But I told her that I had another opportunity in the works that I felt was a better fit, I just didn’t have the final word. It turned into an awkward situation and now I wonder if either one of them will hire me. Would you have done something different? How do you think I should handle this?

Yeah, that was a misstep. You basically told her that you’re not especially interested in the job and would only take it if something better doesn’t come along. That may well be true, but it’s close to impossible for her to feel good about hiring you when you’ve told her you don’t think it’s a great fit (which is how “the other job is a better fit” will often come across). Generally, it’s better to stall if you get an offer while you’re still waiting to hear about another (see here), rather than essentially say “I’m hoping for something else.”

4. Is it a red flag if a company doesn’t have any online presence?

I am in the process of searching for a new job. I found a posting on a job board run by my state. It seems like a really cool position doing graphic design with a small company that makes displays for trade shows and other events. It’s something that I would enjoy doing and would give me great experience, but I’m having a hard time finding information about the company. They have a website that is about half finished with very minimal info. They don’t have a Facebook page, Linkedin page, Twitter, nothing. I always like to do my research on any company I apply to just to be sure that it’s somewhere I really want to be and so I can things to my cover letter about work they do, etc. I’m pretty positive it’s a legit business, but I guess they’re just really bad at marketing themselves. Should I be wary of applying for a position with a company that I can’t find a lot of info on?

On a side note, would it be rude to mention in a cover letter that I would be more than glad to help them with their website, if offered the position?

If they’re a small company, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. A lot of smaller companies don’t have much presence online; believe it or not, not every business requires it! (And even those that have websites often don’t have Twitter, LinkedIn, or Facebook pages — that part definitely isn’t weird.) If you’re worried about whether they’re legit, tell them during your interview that you had trouble finding much about them online and ask them to tell you a bit about their history and keep your eyes open for red flags — but the lack of online presence alone isn’t troubling.

I wouldn’t mention that you’d be glad to help with their website in your cover letter if it’s not a part of the job — this seems like a company that doesn’t much care about the Internet, and while it’s possible that they’d love the help, it’s at least as likely that they’d take that as a sign that you’d be focused on things they don’t see as priorities.

5. Are clients being insensitive after my coworker’s death?

I work in client services for a tech company. Our organization is structured so that each client has a dedicated account manager and dedicated project manager. Last week, the account manager who I worked with on two of my clients unexpectedly passed away. It’s a big loss both personally and professionally.

The reason I’m writing though is that I’m perplexed about how some of my clients are handling the situation. I know it’s business and business doesn’t just stop when someone dies. However, the way some of my clients are acting isn’t sitting well with me. One particular client is coming to town for the funeral and wants to have a business meeting discussing the transition plan right after the service. It hasn’t even been a week since my coworker’s death! And the day after my coworker passed, a different client wrote me an email asking for updates on a project and closed it with “P.S. Sorry about John.” And another client called to express condolences, but then was all “so about that TPS report.” I kind of expected they’d give me and my company a little space to deal with the loss of our coworker and friend. Am I being too sensitive or are these clients being insensitive?

A little of both, probably. The reality is that business does go on, at least outside your firm — and that’s what you’re seeing. These people need to continue to conduct their business, and they’re dependent on your firm for some of it. You can certainly push back on the guy who wants to have a transition meeting right after the funeral, but you’re going to need to have that meeting fairly soon — they do, after all, need to move forward with their work. The other stuff, though — well, that doesn’t seem terribly offensive to me. These people just aren’t as close to the situation as you are, and people don’t always realize that the death of a coworker can be quite different than the death of another type of business contact who you see less often. I’m sorry about your coworker, by the way.

6. If I spot a mistake on a time card, who do I talk to?

If I am in charge of time cards in payroll and I see a mistake that wasn’t there before, am I supposed to ignore it, take to the manager, or go to the employer for correction?

This is exactly the sort of question you’re supposed to ask your manager. This kind of thing varies widely by office. You need to find out how your manager wants you fielding this sort of thing — so ask.

7. Fired and charged for burglary

Our 19-year-old son was working in a grocery store. He, along with the night manager and other crew, were ringing each other up for $1.00 and eating a piece or two of day-old chicken and Jo Jo’s on their break. A security company came in to do questioning and began with my son. They made it a huge deal for three hours, forced a confession, and actually arrested him for felony burglary. The others kept their mouths shut, didn’t confess, and still have their jobs. The security company told our son he would be called by the store the next day and fired.

No one called, no one sent a letter. We finally contacted an attorney, who worked his way to the headquarter’s HR manager who stated that the security team was overzealous and they were dropping the charges for a fine. And the town prosecutor is dropping the charges. The whole thing is ridiculous and has cost us >$1,000.

Now our son is looking for a new job. Was he fired? What should he put on future applications? Should he send them a letter of resignation?

Yes, he was fired. The charges being dropped doesn’t change the fact that your son was fired; those are two different things, and so it wouldn’t make sense to send a resignation letter.

Ideally, he’d just leave this job off of future applications. There’s no reason to call attention to a situation that’s likely to hurt his chances.

with 3 networking duds in a row, am I doing something wrong?

A reader writes:

I’m in my late 20s and have a somewhat close friend, “Jessica,” around the same age and in the same industry. She has since moved to another city, so we don’t see each other or talk often, but we’ve kept our professional relationship very strong through social media and LinkedIn, and have used each other as sounding boards as we move through different positions and professional challenges.

A few months ago I reached out to Jessica with a very specific request: seeing myself hit a ceiling at my current job and looking to take “the next step,” I asked if she would be willing to connect me with some key contacts of hers who work in a very different avenue of our industry, and also on the other side of the country from us (so phone calls and emails, no in person). I was looking for informational interviews, curious if I want to pursue this direction and, if so, get some feedback as to how best to do so.

She agreed with great enthusiasm and set to work, reaching out to two great-on-paper contacts, and then connecting us via email. Each got back to me/us without hesitation and agreed to chat with me. It all went downhill from there.

The first contact, who was less enthusiastic but able to talk immediately with me, was a dud. She spoke to me as if I were a 19 year old college student with no experience, didn’t change her tone or content despite me shifting the conversation, and her advice was completely useless (except for in the sense that it made me realize that, if this attitude is common, maybe I don’t want to head in this direction).

The second contact was incredibly friendly and enthusiastic via email, but told me it wasn’t a good time and to reach out in a couple of weeks. After reinitiating the conversation, I heard nothing for over a week and then got a message saying “gone for two weeks, let’s talk in September.”

At the same time, Jessica had asked me if I would be willing to chat with a loose connection of hers that was moving into my area and industry. I agreed and set about contacting her. This woman, same age as us, was in town for a week, and we set up two different tentative meetings, both of which she flaked. I reached out to her and went above and beyond my duties, blocked off time for her, changed my schedule to be where we had agreed, and even reached out again when she didn’t materialize the first time, agreeing to a second try. Nada, not even a call or email to say she couldn’t make it, and never heard from her again.

So, my questions.

1) How should I report all of this back to Jessica? I very much appreciate her willingness to reach into her network for me, and she delivered on what I asked of her, so I don’t want to come across as ungrateful for her help. How to discuss it without coming across the wrong way?

2) Should I tell Jessica about the woman she sent my way and how she flaked? If so, how?

3) Would it be wise to try to reinitiate conversation (for a third time) with the second connection again in September, or would that be pushy at this point? She has only indicated enthusiasm mixed with a hectic schedule, but I see how it could also be a polite brushoff.

4) In general, did I make any obvious (or not so obvious) missteps in this networking pursuit that I should avoid in the future? Is there something I should do differently? Or was this just a bad experience to cut my losses and move on from?

Yeah, networking — from both sides — can be something of a crapshoot. Some contacts sound like they’re going to be great and then flake out or just aren’t helpful. Some people seem eager to get your help and then don’t follow through, even though you’re willing. What you’ve experienced here isn’t terribly unusual; it’s just a little awkward that they all lead back to your friend.

It doesn’t have to be that awkward though. In answer to your first question, about what to tell her, there’s no need to present her with a full report. You can just let her know that you talked to Contact 1 and that Contact 2 has been busy and you’re still trying to coordinate a time to talk. You can also say that you reached out to Contact 3 twice but she didn’t show up (or call) for either scheduled meeting. (You really should include this last part because your friend should know in case she’s thinking of connecting this person with other contacts in the future — but you can just say it in a matter-of-fact tone. You’re not blaming your friend, obviously, just letting her know.)

Now, if she asks questions about Contact 1 and what she told you, then you can certainly explain a little more what happened there. But wait for her to ask — and if she doesn’t, no need to make her feel like she steered you somewhere unhelpful. (Especially because it’s hard to relay that proactively without sounding a bit like you’re complaining that her favor didn’t work out for you, whereas if she asks first, it won’t come across that way.)

I do think that you should try reaching out to Contact 2 again in September, because she specifically told you to. When you do, you can certainly offer her an easy out — “I know you’re busy, so if it’s inconvenient, I won’t be offended” — but you shouldn’t drop the contact entirely (or you’ll be one of those people reaching out for help who then doesn’t follow up).

And as for your last question, did you make any obvious missteps? Not that I see here. This stuff is pretty par for the course with this type of networking, unfortunately. Not everyone is helpful, even people who genuinely would like to be, and people’s schedules get in the way, and some people are just flakes. So this all sounds pretty normal, but also not like a reason to stop trying — because some contacts will pay off. You just can’t always tell at the outset which they’ll be.

how to get rid of a vendor who refuses to leave

A reader writes:

A paper vendor comes into the building and arrives at the reception desk. He gives you a card and wants to meet with the director of HR. He won’t take no for an answer. What do you do?

He has to take no for an answer, because this isn’t his call — it’s yours, as a representative of your employer.

So that leads me to think you’re not being firm enough. The conversation should sound like this:

Vendor: Hi, I’m with XYZ Paper and I’d like to meet with your HR director.

You (knowing that the HR director will have no interest): I’m sorry, she’s not available, but I’d be happy to pass your card along to her.

Vendor: Oh, I’ll wait. I don’t mind.

You: You’d need an appointment to see her. But I’d be glad to give her your card.

Vendor: It won’t take long, so I’ll just wait here for her.

You: I can’t allow you to do that. She isn’t able to see you without an appointment. You’re welcome to email her to see if she’d like to set one up, but I can’t allow you to wait here.

Vendor: No, really, it won’t take long.

You: No, I’m sorry, you can’t wait here. I’m going to need to ask you to leave and I’ll pass your card along to her.

At this point, if not before, most people are going to leave. But if he doesn’t, then you say this:

You: I’ve told you several times now that you can’t wait here. I need to ask you to leave. If you don’t, I’ll have to call security. (Pick up the phone and call security if you have it, and whoever else would be appropriate if you don’t — such as a manager who you know won’t take kindly to guys like this.)

In other words, you control the situation, no matter how pushy the guy is. It’s your office, not his, he can’t stay without your permission, and you need to (a) believe that and (b) use the words that stem from that belief. When people aren’t quite clear on that in their own minds, they tend to use fuzzier language and softer messages that leave room for interpretation. So be clear, in your own head and with him, and don’t be afraid to escalate your tone and your response if he forces the issue.

If you feel uncertain about handling things this way, you can always check with your manager ahead of time and make sure that she has your back … but there’s no reason for you to feel that you have less power in this situation than a stranger who happened to walk through the door.

8 things hiring managers wish you knew

Hiring managers see a lot of job applicants make the same mistakes over and over again, many of them easily preventable if only applicants knew how hiring managers operate. Here are eight things that hiring managers wish all job candidates knew – both to help them hire more easily and to end some of the frustration on job-seekers’ side of the hiring process.

1. You can ruin your chances by being too aggressive. When you’re searching for a job, enthusiasm helps. But some job applicants cross the line from enthusiastic to annoying or pushy – and in doing so, kill their chances for a job offer. If you’re doing any of the following, you’ve crossed the line and may be turning off hiring managers who might otherwise consider hiring you: dropping off your resume person when the job posting instructs you to apply online; checking on the status of your application more than once within three weeks; calling and hanging up when you get voice mail, over and over; or cold-contacting numerous employees at the company to try to get extra attention to your resume.

2. We really want you to be honest. Too many job seekers approach job searching as if their only goal is to win a job offer, losing sight of the fact that this can land them in the wrong job. But if you’re honest – with yourself and with your interviewer – about your strengths and weaknesses and give the hiring manager a glimpse of the real you, you’ll both be able to make a better informed decision about how well you’d do in the job. (Of course, if you just need a job at any costs, this might not resonate with you – but if you want a job where you’ll excel and be happy, it should.)

3. You don’t get to choose your references. You might think that employers will only call the references on the list you provide, but in fact, they can call anyone you’ve worked for or who might know you, on your list or not. In fact, smart reference-checkers will make a point of calling people not on your list, since they assume you’ve only listed people who you know will speak glowingly of you.

4. No matter how positive things seem, you shouldn’t count on a job offer. No matter how confident that an employer wants to hire you, you never have a job offer until you have a firm – preferably written – offer in hand. That’s true no matter what an interviewer says to you, even if they say things like, “You’ll be great at this,” “We’re excited to work with you,” or “You’re exactly what we’re looking for.” None of those things means that an offer is coming, no matter how encouraging they sound.

5. The small details matter. Candidates frequently act as if only “official” contacts, like interviews and formal writing samples, count during the hiring process. So they’ll send flawless cover letters and then check up on their applications with sloppily written emails with spelling errors, or they’ll be charming and polite to their interviewer but rude to the receptionist. Good employers are paying attention to everything during the hiring process, not just the official pieces.

6. If you can’t produce references, most hiring managers will be wary. Some candidates wonder what to do if their past employers have a policy of not giving out references, but most employers will expect you to find someone willing to vouch for your work anyway. Unfair? Maybe, most the reality is that if they have two great candidates and one has references and one doesn’t, they’re going to go with the one who does.

7. Wondering how to stand out? Use your cover letter. A well-written, engaging cover letter that’s customized to a particular opening can open doors when your resume alone might not have gotten you a second look.

8. Your personality matters a lot. Good hiring managers think a lot about your personality. You could have great skills but not get hired because your working style would clash with the people you’d be working with. Often, one personality type will simply fit better into a department than another will – and whether that style is quiet, loud, thick-skinned, aggressive, informal, or stiff is hard to know from the outside.

I originally published this at U.S. News & World Report.

I forwarded a private email, tarot cards in a cover letter, and more

It’s seven short answers to seven short questions. Here we go…

1. Do I have to tell a recruiter what company I ultimately took a job with?

After I accepted a job offer, I received an email from a recruiter from another company asking me to come in for an interview. I immediately responded back, thanked her for considering me as a candidate, and told her I would have to decline because I accepted a job else where. She responded back and asked me where I accepted the job. I have not responded back and don’t know if I am going to. Do I need to respond back? Is it rude if I don’t?

Is this a recruiter you’d been working with or someone who contacted you out of the blue? If it’s someone you’d been working with, it would be rude not to reply at all, but if you for some reason don’t want to share the company you’re going to, you could share the title/type of work instead — for instance, “I’ll be working as a communications analyst. Thanks for your help!” On the other hand, if this is someone who you hadn’t been in contact, you don’t even need to reply if you’d rather not, and they’re probably fishing for contacts.

2. My coworker complains people are rude to her, but she’s the rude one

A coworker constantly complains about how mean people are to her, how cutting, and how rude. Yet she constantly makes rude comments herself. During lunches with her, she has said the following to me: “Your nail polish looks like something my daughter would wear. What are you thinking?” “You probably got this job because you’re always wearing fancy high heels.” “Your hair always looks the same” (after I got 7 inches cut off).

Should I gently suggest she is bringing the negative talk to her with her own comments (I have no evidence of this, just a guess), or simply stay out of it? By the way, I have started to avoid her. We don’t work closely enough together for me to have to work with her at all.

You’re not under any obligation to point this out to her, particularly since your job doesn’t require you to work with her … but you could certainly say something if (a) you think it will do any good or (b) you’ll feel better for speaking up.

Also, who gets jobs by wearing fancy high heels?!

3. Phone interview went terribly because the position was different than what I’d expected

A friend of mine referred me to a company in an area I’ve been interested in moving to for while now. I read up on the company and got really excited about working there, though they didn’t have any current openings that fit with me. I sent my résumé to their general inquiries listing and immediately got a phone call — they thought I would be a perfect fit for a new role that was a combination of chocolate teapot troubleshooter and designer. I explained I mainly had experience in troubleshooting and was still very junior at designing. They said that was fine, the position was mostly troubleshooting, and could I do a phone interview? I of course said yes and had the phone interview today.

It went awfully; really, truly, awfully. They basically grilled me for 20 minutes straight on technical design questions, about 75% of which I could not answer. I was probably noticeably shaking by the end. When they asked if I had any questions, I explained that I was not expecting this position to focus so heavily on the design part and that it seemed they wanted someone with a lot more experience than me. They said there was a lot of focus on troubleshooting and kind of rambled for awhile; they then asked, would I still be interested? I said I was very interested in their company but I wanted to make sure I could actually contribute in the role they were filling. They said they would talk and I would find out next steps later.

At this point, should I reach out to the HR person I originally spoke with and explain that I know the interview did not go well and ask whether there was some kind of miscommunication about the position requirements? It was a truly embarrassing experience to say “I don’t know” over and over and over for 20 minutes. I want to write this off and move on, but part of me wonders if it’s possible the fact that I’m a junior teapot designer got lost in translation and they were expecting a lot more.

I wouldn’t say that you know the interview didn’t go well, since you don’t want to say that if their impression is different (and who knows, it might be). But you could certainly reach out and saw that you got the impression from the interview that the impression is primarily design work, whereas you thought it was more X, and ask if it makes sense to continue in light of that.

Read an update to this letter here.

4. Mentioning tarot cards in a cover letter

I just saw a job posting for an organization that deals with entrepreneurs. I have participated with entrepreneurial groups and events during college and I had a small on-campus business. I like to reference all of that in my cover letter, but the problem is that my business was giving advice using tarot cards. I never promoted my business as fortune telling, but still the fact I used tarot cards is going to be considered very weird to some. I do want to mention it in some way because it taught me how to handle customers, which is relevant to the job.

How should I talk about my small business in my cover letter? So far in my draft, I only mentioned I had a small business without saying what it was. And for future reference, how could I talk about it in an interview if it was brought up?

I don’t think you have to mention tarot cards in your cover letter; I think you can talk about running a small business without getting into what the business was. But you’re right that you’re probably going to be asked about it in the interview, so you’ll want to be prepared to talk about it in a way that counteracts any preconceived notions your interviewer might have about what it signifies — so for instance, if you’re concerned that people will think it’s weird or overly new agey or too out there, counteract that by being very polished and professional in the way you talk about it. Focus on the business elements of what you were doing, and you’ll convey “it’s not what you’re picturing” to people who are picturing you in a headscarf over a crystal ball.

5. I accidentally forwarded a private email

A funding agency granted one of our students a fellowship, and subsequently the student’s advisor negotiated a slightly different arrangement via email, where the funding agency committed to paying for something additional. Now an administrator at the agency is contesting that, although I think she just wasn’t informed of the arrangement. To clarify, I forwarded the email correspondence — but I mistakenly sent a later email in the conversation, where there was further discussion between administrators on my end, i.e. past the end of the professional exchange with the agency. There was nothing salacious or rude or anything of the sort, but there was some discussion of strategy. I feel as though it is completely unprofessional for me to have sent it outside of our institution.

My email program doesn’t allow me to retract messages. Do I send a follow up message to apologize? Or leave it alone and not acknowledge it might be inappropriate? Aaack.

If you just feel you need to apologize for sending them private correspondence that they weren’t intended to see, I wouldn’t worry about it — you’ll just draw more attention to it by doing it, and it doesn’t really require an apology. But if there was anything in there that might have rubbed them the wrong way, I’d actually consult with your manager about the politics of the situation — since it might be less about apologizing and more about damage control.

6. Should my employer pay for time spent taking a shuttle from the parking lot to work?

I work in an hourly position at an outlet mall in Texas. The mall management sent a flyer around stating that no employee could park in the designated employee parking area during tax-free weekend or we would be towed at our expense. We are required to park several miles away and take a shuttle to the center. Neither the mall nor my employer will compensate us for the additional time we are spending driving offsite and waiting for the shuttle. Last Christmas, there were waits of 15 to 30 minutes due to full capacity of the shuttles.

I feel we should be able to consider our start time when we arrive at the shuttle stop. Normally, we park behind the stores and go in the back entrances of our respective stores. One minute max to our store. What’s your take on the situation?

I can’t speak to Texas specifically, but at least under federal law, that’s considered part of your commute time and thus your employer isn’t required to pay you for it. The expectation is that you’ll factor in the fact that your commute might be temporarily longer during that weekend, and adjust accordingly.

7. Sunburn at work

You’ve discussed visible cuts and bruises at work, but what about visible sunburns? Those hurt to cover, hurt to look at and hurt to have. What’s a sunburned person supposed to do? Does she call in sick or go to work?

My stance on cuts and bruises is that anything more than very minor ones will look unprofessional if they’re on an easily covered area like arms and legs. I think sunburn is different, in that it’s less likely to produce the same reaction of concern, and I think you can worry less about it. (For what it’s worth though, I wouldn’t say someone with cuts and bruises should call in sick either — just cover them to the best of your ability and solider on.)