where are they now: 4 more reader updates

Here are four more “where are they now?” updates from readers whose questions were answered here earlier this year.

1. Update from the reader whose boss worked in a different country

I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. It helped me realize that this situation is not unusual and that there are ways to make it work. My new boss was very responsive, we had one-on-one phone calls every other week and she was extremely timely in responding to e-mails. However, the management changes were a part of a larger organizational overhaul and there was a great deal of uncertainty in the new structure. Also, my job duties changed quite a bit and the new role turned out to be quite different from the position I had originally been hired for. The new position was filled with projects that I did not enjoy doing and it also would have included a great deal of travel which I also don’t enjoy. The story has a happy ending though — I was able to find another position at another company. This position is a better fit for me and my previous work experience and the job duties are more aligned with my skills.

2. Update from the reader wondering about interviewers who talk about how well everyone gets along in their company (#1 at the link)

I never added feedback to the original post because nothing came of those interviews, but I liked what you and reader Jamie had to say. About a month and a half after that post, I was hired for a part-time position after another interview in which comments about camaraderie, etc. were offered. Thus far, those kinds of comments have translated to the following: (1) The staff are tight knit, and while there are normal work grumblings, they have great teamwork and seem to love their jobs and each other; (2) There is a good deal of socializing outside of work; and (3) The staff are pretty friendly and have already invited me out a few times.

If anything, the interview comments hinted at more of a “social” commitment than I have time for; I’ve had to decline more invitations than I’ve accepted because of other obligations. It’s not a terrible problem to have at a new job, though.

3. Update from the reader whose boss had died

Thanks to all the commentators and advice — I’ve tried to take it all in stride and move forward the best I can. As Alison suggested, I spoke to my boss’s boss (MBB). Sadly, she was less than helpful. It turns out that my boss served as a buffer between my department and the upper bosses, and now, no one has any idea what we do or how we do it.

To help ease the process, my coworker and I arranged a meeting with MBB to explain our backgrounds and what we do. She was enlightened; we were depressed. When asked what she thought we did, she said something along the lines of “Oh, I don’t know, I just knew your boss handled you guys. You have degrees in [completely unrelated field], right?” It was almost like interviewing all over again, except you have to take the job at the end, no matter how clueless the interviewer.

Since she now has a very limited understanding of what we do, we’re being asked to handle FAR more work, as well as projects completely out of our expertise. When we try to correct her on how we typically handle things, she gets very stubborn and informs us that her way is better, even though she’s had no experience in our field and makes no attempts at understanding it. For example, we had a 12-month strategy for releasing 6 new products. She scrunched that all down into 4 months and rolls her eyes whenever we tell her we cannot handle this workload. Yes, 6 product launches in 4 months over the holiday season is an absolutely fabulous idea.

I mentioned previously that I was job searching — that hasn’t stopped, although it slowed a little. I knew before my boss died that I wanted to work with a different company; MBB’s reaction and current management style has only clarified exactly how much I need a new job.

As a kicker, when asked about replacing my boss, MBB says that they’ll start looking for a new person in Q2/Q3 2013 with a hope to hire by Q4, but maybe not until Q1 2014. That’s an entire year without a head of a department (and what’s more, an entire year without someone understanding what we do)! I hope to be gone long before then.

4. Update from the reader whose interviewer was worried about her “big personality”

First of all, thank you for answering my question. I’d like to report that I did in fact get the job and love it. It happened to be the most drawn-out hiring process I have encountered (had initial phone interview in either April or May and was hired on mid-August), but could not be happier with this team. The work is fun and challenging, and the office includes some of the smartest, inspiring people I’ve had an opportunity to work with.

After I initially came to AAM with my question, I went ahead and contacted the hiring manager even though it was not advised. It was a gut feeling that my mentor would not steer me wrong, and the hiring manager ended up being pleased to hear from me, as the job opening had fallen off his radar due to personal and professional circumstances. Yes, he was open about this. We agreed to meet up once again for a casual lunch meeting.

Here is where it gets a little interesting and I would really love to hear reader feedback on what you all think. I called my mentor to let him know the hiring manager was glad to meet up with me and to thank him for the suggestion of calling him (as a note, both mentor and hiring manager are males while I am a female.) My mentor went on to give me unsolicited advice on what to wear as well as how to make up my appearance. He told me to not wear any makeup, wear flats, and wear pants (he specifically told me not to wear a skirt) as my physical appearance, including my height, may have intimidated the hiring manager at the in-person interview. Alison, I just want to make it clear that when I went into interview at this company, I wore a basic black pantsuit, no jewelry, 1.5-inch conservative heels, and wore my shoulder-length hair back. Now, I am naturally 5’10, but there is really nothing one can do about their stature and had certainly never received interview advice of this flavor before. Also, can you see a man ever giving appearance advice to another man in this way? That said, I bit the bullet and followed what he suggested because I really was not in a financial place to continue in the retail world for much longer.

In any case, I ended up getting the offer and get along great with my hiring manager now supervisor. What is interesting is that my mentor seems to cause some level of headache within the office. Fellow colleagues have actually commented to me about him, but I just keep my mouth closed and go about my business because, well, I am happy just to be able to work here and could care less about office politics.

In addition, as far as my “big personality” goes, as it turns out I am probably one of the more quiet people in the office. Everyone else seems to have no problem with swearing out loud at their desk or having arguments with office doors open that can sometimes escalate to yelling. Again, I just keep my head down because I love the work and while friendly with my coworkers, my main focus is the job itself.

Me again:  Wow. Given that your mentor was the one who originally said there were concerns about your “big personality,” and given his later advice on makeup and clothing, I have to wonder if the “big personality” thing really came from him and not from the interviewer. In any case, I’m glad it worked out so well!

8 new etiquette rules for using gadgets in the office

You love to use “reply all” when you respond to email messages.

You email and phone with the same message.

You leave your cell phone ringer on, then leave your phone behind when you leave your desk.

You are rude!

As the use of personal technology increases at work, not everyone is observing new etiquette rules about how to use it. Here are eight of the most important rules to follow at work when it comes to cell phones, email, and other technology at work.

1. Using speaker phone when others can hear you. Playing back your voicemail messages on speaker phone or conducting an entire call on speaker phone is distracting to people trying to work around you. Even if you’re in an office with the door closed, speakerphone noises tend to travel. Don’t value your hands-free convenience over the ability of others to focus on their work.

2. Keeping your cell phone out so you can glance at it during meetings. Glancing down at your phone while you’re supposed to be focused on a meeting signals that you’re bored, not fully engaged, or don’t respect the time of the people you’re meeting with. If you must keep your phone out because you’re expecting an important call or text, explain that at the start of the meeting so that people don’t assume you’re just being rude.

3. Don’t over-use “reply all.” When multiple people are included on an email chain, they don’t all need to see your reply of “thanks” or “will do.” Only use “reply all” if everyone included truly needs to see your response; otherwise, stick with “reply” so your response goes only to the sender and doesn’t clutter multiple in-boxes.

4. Don’t email and phone with the same message; pick one or the other.Nothing is more annoying than starting to read an email, only to have the email’s sender pop his head in your office to repeat the same message.

5. Turn off your cell phone’s ringer if you leave it behind while you’re away from your desk. Ask any office worker, and you’ll hear stories about the annoying guy who leaves his phone behind with his ringer on full-volume while he goes to meetings … leaving his coworkers forced to hear repeated renditions of “Who Let the Dogs Out” or whatever else he’s chosen for his ring tone.

6. Placing calls from a noisy location. If you make a call, ensure you’re somewhere where you and the person you’re speaking with will be able to hear each other – and where you can give your full focus. It’s irritating to get a call from someone who immediately puts you on hold to order coffee because she just reached the front of the line.

7. Keep religious and political messages out of your email signature. Including religious or political messages is likely to offend or at least irritate some of your recipients, and introduces topics that don’t belong in a professional setting. Keep your sign-off neutral and professional.

8. Don’t use your work email as your personal email. In most offices, sending occasional personal emails from your work account is fine, but you should use your personal account for most personal things. If you treat your work email as your default personal account, chances are good that when you leave your job and your in-box and sent folder are full of personal messages, one of your coworkers will be stuck reading through all of them, as they clean out your account for your replacement. In the best case scenario, that’s merely a nuisance for a coworker – but in the worst case scenario, it could lead to embarrassing revelations.

I originally published this at U.S. News & World Report.

was I right to turn down this job?

A reader writes:

I recently turned down a job with a major corporation, and I’ve been feeling uneasy about the decision I made–and also the entire interviewing and hiring process–for weeks now. I was hoping you might be able to tell me your impressions of the company’s hiring practices, because I can’t seem to make heads or tails of them. I also don’t know if I am blowing the whole thing out of proportion and perhaps talked myself out of a great job for no good reason. Here’s what happened:

During my first interview, I met the guy who manages the position. I was warned that he was a bit of a large personality, and not to let him rile me (I’d gotten the interview and was referred through a connection). We sat down together for about 45 minutes, most of which consisted of him talking about his own job, his family, and even his views of women in business (he said something to the effect of “I see women as people, [not as women]” which I found bizarre and a tad offensive in a way I still can’t pin down). He also let out a few four-letter profanities here and there, but nothing so offensive that I felt insulted. He didn’t ask much about my work history–just why I wanted the job–and then when I asked about what the chosen candidate would need to do to be successful in the role, his first answer was to “get along with the girls” on the team. Speaking of which, he also noted that he “takes care” of his team, and takes them out for dinners and drinks (and then said that all other departments wonder why the gals are so happy, and then want to work for him). After this, he thankfully said a couple redeeming things about how to succeed in the role that actually pertained to professional aptitude.

I was pretty thrown by the interview, and didn’t know how I felt about the role after this meeting. I do know that the culture in this particular industry is less buttoned up than many other fields. But I still wasn’t expecting an interaction like that. I did follow up with a phone call when I didn’t hear back from them in a week (I figured a polite cold call would be fine) and then was immediately called back by HR for a follow up interview. That interview with HR was more professional, but only about 15-20 minutes, and again, when I asked a few questions about the actual job, I was given more information about the company and its culture than the specifics of the role. HR said something about me being a top candidate during that meeting, but I wasn’t sure how to take it at the time. (I think I was still trying to get a sense of the job, and frankly, still confused.)

Turns out that I should’ve taken it at face value, since I was offered the job exactly two weeks later.  I was completely shocked, and knew I’d need more information about the role in order to make a decision. They did offer the salary that I asked for–which is more than I currently make–so that was a big deal for me. I decided I would get back on the phone with HR, ask them a handful of my remaining questions about the position and then two pertaining to the package/start date. When I did, the HR person said, in a tone that conveyed annoyance, that he had “no idea” how to answer my questions–and then gave me the phone number of the head of the department I’d be working in because the manager of the position was not around that day (so someone who’d been totally uninvolved until this point). He also said, sternly, that he needed a decision “very soon” after I spoke with this department head.

Long story short, I breezed through a couple of my questions with this department head–but felt so thrown by the way HR reacted to, and handled, my request that I don’t think I was even fully listening. Based on this interaction, the information I had about the job at that moment, and knowing HR wanted an immediate answer, I declined the job.

I sometimes dramatize things when I’m taken aback by them. I’m aware that HR may have done exactly the right thing–connecting me with this other person who could answer my questions–when the manager of the position was out. But based on the facts of the situation in its entirety–am I crazy for being uneasy about the company and about accepting the job? Do you think I had too much trepidation? Would you steer clear of a boss like the guy I met, and do you think his behavior points to what it may have been like to work for him? Do you think there’s something I could have done better to find out more information at any point during this process?

I think you got plenty of information during the process!  You’re just not trusting what you perceived.

People generally show you plenty during a hiring process about what they’d be like to work with. This guy showed you a lot about how he operates: He doesn’t put a lot of stock in learning much about the people he hires (bad management sign #1), he thinks you’d prefer to hear about his own job and his family rather than the work you’d be doing if hired (sign #2), he speaks oddly of women (sign #3), he says that the most important thing the person in the job will need to do is “get along with the girls” (signs #4 and #5 — “the girls” being #4, and “getting along with people” rather than any actual achievements being #5), and he thinks that having happy employees is about taking them out for dinner and drinks rather than giving them clear goals, useful feedback, the resources to do their jobs, etc. (sign #6).

(By the way, I think the reason you found his statement that he sees “woman as people” so bizarre is because for most people, seeing women as people goes without saying. When it doesn’t, there’s usually something not quite right.)

I don’t think HR’s behavior was too weird — it made sense to connect you with the person best able to answer your questions while the manager was gone — although they certainly shouldn’t have sounded annoyed about it. But the manager’s behavior counts for a lot more than HR’s anyway, since he’s the one you’d be working with if you accepted the job.

In general, believe what people show you during a hiring process about how they operate. (And if you’re feeling like a hiring manager didn’t tell you much about the job, that’s actually useful information on its own — this is someone who doesn’t know how to hire and doesn’t think that you should need much information about how you’ll be spending 40+ hours a week. Those are danger signs.)

When candidates try to talk themselves out of the impressions they get during a hiring process, they usually end up regretting it. I’d move on with no worries about your decision.

short answer Sunday — 7 short answers to 7 short questions

It’s short answer Sunday — seven short answers to seven short questions. Here we go…

1. Working with an executive coach

I am working on internalizing my responses to the interview questions you outlined in your “how to get a job” ebook. Quite a few executive recruiters have contacted me, and I hope they can help me get to my dream job of being a program manager if I am unable to get there on my own. I am very ready for this next step in my career.

Do you think investing in an executive coach is worth paying out of pocket if my current company is unable to assist (over $4k)? At times I get a sense that I could use some polishing, but $4k is a huge chunk of change.

It really depends on your particular context, what you’ve already tried on your own and how well that has worked, the particular coach you have in mind (because plenty of them suck), and the jobs you’re aiming for. But in general, I wouldn’t recommend spending that kind of money except at fairly senior levels, and then only if you have specific problems that you want to address. I definitely wouldn’t do it just to help you get a higher-level job; executive coaches usually help you improve specific skills on the job more than they assist with job searching.

2. Is my last employer badmouthing me?

If I’ve literally applied to over 50 employers and none worth contacting back have contacted me, should I assume that there’s something wrong with my resume or that my last employer is putting salt in my game since they knew how much I hated working for them? And if you don’t check “ok to contact employer” on an application, do potential employers contact them anyway or count it against you?

It’s very unlikely that employers are contacting your references before even interviewing you; reference-checking usually takes place at the later stages of the hiring process. So I wouldn’t blame your former employer. It could certainly be your resume or cover letter (it is for most people), but it could also just be the economy (with more job seekers than job openings).

As for indicating that it’s not okay to contact an employer, that’s normal if it’s your current employer — but generally a red flag if it’s a past employer. Most employers will ask you what the deal is if you tell them not to contact someone (since the assumption is that you don’t expect them to say positive things).

3. Online application systems that require retyping your resume

What is the point in uploading my resume to an employer’s website, only to be asked to retype it by hand into the questionnaire about past employment? I find this tedious and a waste of time. It tells me that a piece of software is going to scan for keywords and I have about a one percent chance of it ever reaching human eyes to be reviewed. I have found the less time spent filling out forms on line, the more responses I get.

Plenty of people do find employment that way, but yes, it’s absolutely tedious and an indication of a lack of concern about candidates’ time.

4. Manager sent me home because of my new haircut

Today I went into work, after my two days break, and walked in the restaurant to clock in as usual. I am a host, and I am a sophomore in college who is working part time to make some extra money. I am a more stylish guy and love to look good. I have worked here as a host for around a month and had just the typical hair cut, a little grown out but nothing too long. Two days ago, my roommate (who is a barber) cut my hair. He gave me a clean looking mohawk. For a reference, if you were to google Cristiano Ronaldo, you would see the exact same hairstyle.

I was approached by one manager who told me my hair looked nice. I then proceeded to the office to get some supplies. Upon entering, another manger approached me and said “You need to go home!” We held a conversation as to of why I had to go home. It was simply because of my hair. There is one African American man who is a server there who has a mohawk, and another white man gels his hair into a mohawk. I looked up the requirements for hair in my training guides I was given during training. It reads, “Must be clean and neat. No extreme colors or styles are permitted. Hair, longer than shoulder length, is acceptable provided it is neatly restrained from possible contact with food.” So, my questions are: 1) Am I in the wrong for being upset? 2) Is that unfair? 3) What should I do?

That’s a pretty tame hairstyle, based on the images of Cristiano Ronaldo. But if your manager wants to deem it an “extreme style” and tell you that you can’t wear it that way to work, there’s not really anything you can do about it, as long as the decision isn’t being based on your race, ethnicity, etc. You can certainly try pointing out that two servers have similar hair styles, but ultimately, if he’s telling you that it’s not okay for work, that’s his call and you’ll have to decide if you want the job or the hairstyle more. (Or maybe you can make the style look more conservative when you’re at work?) I’d be annoyed too, because it’s far from extreme, but ultimately it’s his call.

5. Taking on more work without more money

In 2010, in addition to my own job duties, I took on the duties of two other coworkers who were fired. Today is the last day of one of my other coworkers, and my boss hasn’t hired anyone else. I have a feeling she will ask me to do her job as well. My boss did not offer me extra compensation or benefits two years ago, and I have a strong feeling she will not do it this time. How can I tell her that doing the jobs of three other people plus my own will require increased compensation in a tactful way? If she refuses, and I quit, could I offer this as a reason for leaving or should I keep the response generic saying “to seek a new atmosphere and new challenges”?

You can certainly say, “I’m already doing the jobs of two other people, in addition to my original one. Given the additional hours and responsibility that taking on this one as well would add, I don’t see any way that I could take this on at my current compensation level.” (That assumes, of course, that doing all this really does add up to enough work to justify that. If you’ve been able to juggle the work of three people because they weren’t busy jobs to begin with, or because business has dropped since then, then you won’t have a strong case to make. It needs to be based on actual workload.)

If you end up quitting, you can and should explain that it’s because of the significantly increased workload without additional compensation; that’s valuable information for them to have. (But don’t quit without another job lined up!)

6. Should I have asked for more money?

Long story short: After a tango with a recruiter, I have a job offer! The offer is for the high end of my asking salary. I only discussed my previous salary with the hiring manager. So really, I did not present an asking salary as much as I let her know what I was projected to make at my current job if I stayed there through 2013.

Their offer surpasses that by a few thousand, but it also includes more responsibilities and a move to a pricier area. This is a great job for me, and I have no real regrets in accepting their offer, but since I accepted the offer, other people in my industry have implied that I should have asked for more, or that if I had I would have gotten it.

I do not have any interest in renegotiating salary right now, and the start date is in a few weeks. At what point should I bring up a possible raise? How do I know if I asked for too little? How does someone avoid this in general? I do not like the idea that I sold myself short.

You really can’t renegotiate salary or ask for a raise any time soon, because you already agreed to the offer. (Imagine if they came to you two months into the job and told you that they realized they could have got you for less, and so they’d like to cut your salary — that would be operating in bad faith, right? Same thing here.) You want to research what an appropriate salary range is before you get to the point of talking salary with an employer — or at least before accepting an offer. Now that you’ve accepted it though, you really can’t ask for a raise before you’ve worked there a year.

In general, you want to wait until you’ve been at a job for a year before making the case for a raise. Most employers don’t expect to give one before then.

7. Our performance evaluation forms are too long

The company I work for has what I believe to be an overly-onerous performance evaluation document that employees and their supervisors are meant to fill out annually. Once completed, meetings are conducted to discuss the finer details.

The issue is that, at a minimum these forms are about 7 pages in length. For some of the supervisors’ performance evaluation forms, we’re talking about a 14-page document. The result is that people put off filling out these forms, evaluations get delayed, and most everyone winds up feeling unhappy about the process.

Do you have any examples or even a few thoughts around what length of form and level of detail is required for performance evaluations? I understand no two industries are the same, but I just feel like 7-14 pages is rather absurd.

Yeah, that’s long, especially if you’re expected to write comments, not just do ratings. The Management Center has a good sample evaluation form here. (It’s four pages, plus instructions.)

That said, performance evaluations are worth spending some serious time on, given that they might be the most in-depth discussion that you have about your performance during the course of the year. If people are delaying filling them out, that’s a problem that needs to be addressed.

waiting to hear about a job during the holidays

A reader writes:

A while back, I wrote to you about an internship that was going well, and the fact that there was a position open at the institution I was interning at. I applied, and got rejected the first time. I thought nothing of it, and went about applying for other opportunities elsewhere.

The week before last, I got an email saying the applicant pool was being reopened, and they were interested in conducting a phone interview with me. I aced that interview, and went on to the in-person interview. That did not goes as well as I anticipated, but it was a good experience nonetheless.

I am now in the process of waiting to hear back. They told me they were hoping to have a decision made by the end of the week. Do I have to wait through the holidays, then? It’s brutal not knowing at this time of year, especially when you are anticipating not getting it.

I am very tempted to email my mentor, who is on the search committee. However, I do not want to come off as pushy. What do you suggest? Honestly, I would rather know now where they are in the process, so I can mentally prepare to continue my job-searching after the holidays if need be.

I know this sucks to deal with, but honestly, the best thing that you can do is to move on mentally right now. That doesn’t mean that I think you didn’t get the job (I have no idea, obviously), but you’re falling into the trap that so many job-seekers fall into where they agonize and stress about hearing an answer, even when they believe they probably didn’t get the position. Why not just assume you didn’t get it and move on? If you eventually hear from them with an offer, what will you have lost by not continuing to agonize the whole time? You’ll have lost nothing, will have gained a couple of angst-free weeks, and will have the bonus of a surprise job offer as well.

If they have something they’re ready to tell you, you’ll hear from them when they’re ready to tell you. Until then, you can’t control when they get in touch with you, but you can control your own reaction. You write, “It’s brutal not knowing at this time of year.” So change that: Assume you didn’t get it and move on. Again, if you’re wrong it’ll be a pleasant surprise.

(And, by the way, I’m not defending employers who leave candidates waiting without an answer after the timeline they gave them has passed. Employers should be more aware of how agonizing this often is for candidates, and they should update people when their initial timelines change, so that you aren’t wondering what the hell is going on and why you haven’t heard a single word. But at the same time, it’s helpful for job-seekers to know that this is incredibly common, and to automatically assume that when an employer says, “You’ll hear from us by Friday,” it probably means “Friday plus a week or two.” Not because you should have to, but because you do have to.)

Give yourself the Christmas present of letting go of your angst on this one — you truly have nothing to lose by doing so.

former boss sent large gift baskets to some of us, but not others

A reader writes:

Just a quick note to get an objective opinion. My horrible manager left for a new job in July this year. (Yay!) However, he stays in touch with upper management, in their personal lives — which is fine, BUT… he has just had large Christmas gift baskets delivered to two of his former direct reports, leaving the other three of us to watch the baskets being delivered. They were delivered to their desks, in the workplace. Is this weird? I mean, we knew he was a jerk when we worked for him, but this seems very strange to me.

Is is kosher to send gifts to the workplace, to previous employees, when one has not been working in a location for the previous six months? It’s not like we want his ridiculous gift baskets, but this just seems, I don’t know, a step above socially inept. Is this just a weird thing we can laugh about or what?

Yeah, that’s obnoxious. If he had, say, sent cards to two people who he’d had especially good relationships with — like a mentor type thing — I could see that. It’s discreet and not over-the-top. But large gift baskets, where it’s going to be obvious that he sent them to two of his former team and not the other three? It’s graceless, at a minimum.

But yes, laughing at it is your best bet. Celebrate the fact that he’s out of your lives, and enjoy this for the amusing weirdness that it is.

fast answer Friday — 6 short answers to 6 short questions

It’s fast answer Friday — six short answers to six short questions! Here we go…

1. Pointing out errors in a coworker’s work

Do you think it’s worth it to point out minor error in a colleague’s work? Such as a missing “e” on a public form, “pm” where it should be “am” for training classes, or a “4” instead of a “5” in the quantity column on a spreadsheet. Often this has nothing to do with my job, but I feel that it should be brought to the appropriate person’s attention to ensure the company — and the individual responsible — are presenting themselves in the best way. I try to do it in a friendly way, and I personally really appreciate it when others point out small errors in my work (before my manager does!). But I wonder if I should continue, since it’s not really my place to be doing so and said coworkers may resent me for it. Your thoughts?

Yes, I would point those things out. You don’t want to do it a snotty way, obviously, but a low-key email like “Hey, I noticed there’s a typo in the second paragraph of this document” should be appreciated. If you find yourself dealing with someone who clearly doesn’t appreciate it, then they suck (because who doesn’t want to know about errors in their work so that they can fix them?). However, if you find yourself regularly pointing out a ton of errors — to the point that it’s clearly not the occasional mistake, but more of a pattern — then there’s a different issue, and you might consider a different solution, such as asking your manager for advice about how to approach it, suggesting everything your team produces go through a proofreader before being released, etc.

2. Former employer is harassing me about spending time with past coworkers

You would think that I was terminated. I wasn’t. I actually resigned from this position. My supervisor, the VP, and I mutally agreed that this wasn’t the place for me and I was given two months severance pay. I actually thought we were on good terms.

Many people from this organization continue to contact me, just to see how things are going. One employee retired this month and sent me a personal invitation to attend the retirement party. When I arrived, I was approached by the VP’s friend, who is a director of a department, asking me why was I there and saying I wasn’t invited. When the person who was retiring walked in on the conversation, she advised the assistant that she indeed invited me, who then proceeded to yell that I should not have been allowed to the party. I gave the lady who was retiring a hug and a gift and left quietly. Prior to the retirement party invitation, I was invited to a birthday lunch with the nurses I used to manage. They had taken off half a day to enjoy lunch and shopping. At the retirement party, these nurses asked me if I was going to be able to make it to the lunch. I stated yes. During the lunch, the same director called the nurses to ask if they were at lunch with me, and they stated no. On speaker, she stated that under no circumstances were the nurses to talk to me. She then called my phone to ask me where I was. I advised that I do not have to explain where I was since I am no longer employed there. She hung up.

I feel that I am being monitored even though I am no longer with this employer. This place is a child care agency, not a top secret security place where trade secrets are being kept. We only talk about the place when craziness like this occurs. I don’t want any trouble, so I am deciding to stay away, but I feel that it is not fair that I have to cut valuable friendships due to this person’s paranoia. Can I do anything about this?

Um, this is insane. However, this is your former coworkers’ issue to deal with not yours. You can show up wherever you want (aside from the workplace itself, if you’re told not to), and talk to whoever you want. You can stop answering your former employer’s phone calls and refuse to answer their questions about where you are. You don’t answer to them.

Your former coworkers, however, are still employed there and have a different situation to deal with than you do: an insane manager tracking them down to find out who they’re spending their time with. How they handle that is up to them, but they’re clearly working with someone who’s come unhinged.

3. Should I accept this holiday gift?

I was promoted from an intern to a full-time employee at my company and I’ve been at my job for a little over seven months. My job title is Sales and Marketing Assistant, and a majority of my day-to-day tasks are to act as administrative support for the seven Sales Representatives (all varied in age and gender).

As one of the reps left early for the holidays, he handed me a card. I assumed it was a holiday card and accepted it, thanked him, and wished him well. It wasn’t until after he left the office that I opened it and inside was $50 and a note thanking me for all of my assistance the past year. This rep is an older man (over 60) and is definitely what I would label as “Old School.” I know that this is purely a holiday-oriented gesture of goodwill, but my first instinct is not to accept this gift because a) I’m just doing my job and b) I’m pretty sure this goes against everything I have read on your site. I’m positive that I am the only one that he gifted money. If I had known what was in the card before he left, I would have given him back the money and told him I couldn’t accept it. However, this rep has taken his vacation time in bulk and will be gone for three weeks. I do not know what to do- part of me wants to avoid the awkward situation of returning money after three weeks (I know he’s going to insist I keep it) and pretend it never happened, but the other part of me knows I cannot in good conscience keep this money. What do I need to do?

No, it’s totally fine to keep this. It’s completely fine and normal for managers to give holiday gifts to people who work for them (although they shouldn’t feel obligated); it’s gifts that go in the other direction that I discourage. This is basically a holiday bonus for good work that you’ve done for him. It’s fine to accept it.

4. Was I wrong to only give notes and gifts to some people in my office?

Two people in my office (which is about 40 people total in a large organization) have helped me out a lot this year. They’ve been very generous with their time and expertise, above what I feel was required for their jobs. I gave each of them small ($25) gift cards and wrote brief notes. I also wrote brief notes without gifts to a few other people whom I especially respect — people who are professional and dedicated, not people I’m especially friendly with. I only wrote to people to whom I had something to say and didn’t try to force anything that didn’t seem genuine.

As soon as I delivered these notes, however, I started to worry. Was it a bad idea to only write to 1/8 of my coworkers? Would other people (especially those whom I work with every day) take offense, feel left out? Am I just overthinking this?

I wouldn’t worry about it at all. You gave notes and gifts to people where it made sense given the context of the relationship. If you’re really worried, you could bring in some sort of holiday treat for the whole office to enjoy and leave it in the kitchen or break room with a note for people to help themselves, but I really wouldn’t worry about this at all.

5. I offended my coworkers

I’m a man and recently did something (apparently) to turn two of my female coworkers against me, to the point that they won’t make eye contact with me and seem to do everything they can to avoid me. I tried confronting the one who I’ve known longer and she denied it completely and asked me to stop IMing her at work, implying that I was being a drama queen.

Here’s what I suspect happened: I’m a very outgoing person and was helpful in training the new girl and foolishly thought she was my new work BFF but I wonder if she thought I was being flirtatious — I’ve been happily married for 8 years. Subsequently, I wonder if she told my other friend, who is married, and she has a son the same age as mine, but now thinks of me as a scoundrel. They won’t make eye contact with me and treat me like an office leper. I don’t mind the new girl hating all that much, but the other lady and I used to go running and talk about our kids, and I thought we were decent friends. Oh well, lesson learned, I know the boundaries of workplace friendships, especially with the opposite gender, and won’t rush too those friendships too soon.

I thought about apologizing to the one who has been here less, saying “I’m sorry if I did something to make you think I’m a creep and sorry for bugging you and thinking we were better work friends than we were. I’m sorry for calling you an abbreviated version of your workplace email and sorry for teasing you for the fact that you like to judge people.” (Or something along those lines). I’d like to apologize because I hate feeling despised and not knowing precisely why, but I’m afraid that if I try to deal with this head on, they’ll go to HR. Should I apologize or just wait and see if there hearts soften over the holiday break?

Oh dear. This does seem like too much drama, all around. I’m not sure there’s much you can do if they’re determined to dislike you, although if you remain civilized and professional, things might thaw out in time. You could try a very short explanation, but the sample speech you have here is a little much — I’d stick with something like, “Hey, I think I might have inadvertently offended you, and I didn’t mean to. I respect your work and didn’t mean to cross any boundaries.”

6. New job wants me to give notice before background and reference checks are completed

I accepted an offer recently and was sent the new hire workbook. They want me to resign from my current position, then bring the new hire paperwork with me to training. I haven’t filled out an employment application, they haven’t completed a background check, checked any references, completed a drug test, etc. I was asked to bring the paperwork for all of that on my first day. This has me concerned for many different reasons: lack of commitment on their part, lack of organization, fear for their expectations of a background, etc.

Should I deny the offer? I have never received an offer prior to the hiring company’s due diligence is completed and the employment is then confirmed, then I gave notice to my current employer.

It’s not unheard of for employers to do things in this order, but it’s really a bad idea. They’re counting on everything going fine, so they figure they might as well have you start meanwhile — but the reality is that if they find something in your background check or reference check that’s a problem, you could be without a job (after already having resigned your old one). It just makes no sense — they should finish all this before your offer is finalized.

Personally, I’d say to them, “I don’t expect any problems to turn up with any of this, but I’m not comfortable resigning my current job while the offer still has these caveats attached to it. Can we set my start date for after this paperwork is completed?”

how to talk about weaknesses in an interview

A reader writes:

I have a question for you about how to approach tricky interview questions. I’m thinking about responding to the “tell me about your greatest strength/weakness…” question (and it’s various forms) right now because I’m in the midst of interviewing applicants for a position on my team; it’s not me who’s in the hot seat right now. The responses of, “I work too hard” or “I’m a perfectionist” are getting boring and predictable.

For myself, I know that my sense of humor leans toward sarcastic and that can be poorly received by colleagues and clients. Is it “too honest” of me to admit to that as a weakness (framed as “something I am aware of and constantly seek to improve upon”) in my own future as an interviewee? I can’t take myself out of it and think objectively as the hiring manager that I am. Would it be a turn-off to you?

Well, before I answer that, I want to first urge you to stop asking “what are your weaknesses?” when you’re interviewing candidates. It’s important information to get, but the question rarely produces useful responses, as you’re seeing. (Although if you’re going to ask it, and I know that lots of interviewers do like it, then I’d urge you at least not to accept answers like “I work too hard.” Let candidates know you want a real answer and explain why — everyone has weaknesses, and you want to make sure that they don’t end up in a job they struggle in or are unhappy in.)

Better questions to get a more honest discussion about weaker points are things like:

  • “What things have your previous managers encouraged you to work on improving in?”
  • “If I talked to your current manager, what things would she tell me you excel at, and what things would she tell me that you could improve in?” (This one seems to get more honest answers, because of the implicit reminder that you will be talking to current or past managers as part of a reference check if things progress further.)
  • “What are you currently working on getting better at, and how are you going about it?”
  • “What’s been your biggest challenge in your position in the last year, and how are you approaching it?”

In any case, back to your question about citing a sarcastic sense of humor as a weakness when it comes to dealing with coworkers and clients … I think it would be a turn-off to most interviewers, possibly a significant one. Anything that says “I offend clients” is a pretty big obstacle to overcome. It’s also likely to make interviewers worry that you’ll be a negative presence in the office — one person’s snark is another person’s negativity, after all.

I’m a big proponent of having an honest discussion about strengths and weaknesses and fit — because it’s how you ensure that you won’t end up in a job that’s a terrible fit for you, where you’ll struggle or be miserable — but at the same time, I don’t recommend saying something with such a high chance of being a strike against you with most interviewers. I would work on that particular weakness privately (and do really work on it!), but have another answer ready for this question.

do sales jobs follow different hiring rules from other jobs?

This question came up in the comments on a recent post: Is sales really an exception to the “don’t call to follow up” rule?

I’ve written numerous times about how — in most industries — you shouldn’t call to follow up on your job application, because it’s annoying and won’t help your chances … and that more broadly, job seekers need to get rid of the idea that they’re supposed to demonstrate “persistence” or “tenacity” in the job search. Usually, though, I mention that the sales industry is an exception to that rule. (Retail and food service often are too.)

However, a commenter recently asked whether sales really is an exception to this rule, and I realized that I’m skeptical that it truly is. I started adding it because people kept telling me that sales is an exception, but never having worked in sales, I have no first-hand experience to say for sure … and frankly, it sounds implausible to me that sales managers would respond to pushiness any more than any other hiring manager would.

So: People who know, is sales really an exception to the “don’t call to follow up or otherwise be pushy or aggressive in job hunting” rule or is that a myth?

And for everyone else: Here’s your periodic reminder that hiring managers in most industries are not looking for persistence — you cannot make them contact you by repeatedly calling or emailing them, and you’ll annoy them by making repeated overtures without an expression of interest in return.

my new store manager is mismanaging our schedule

A reader writes:

I work in fast food, and I’ve worked at this branch for nearly a year and a half, totalling five years. We have a new manager who’s been here since September/October and she’s in charge of the schedule for the week which has to be done on a weekly basis. Recently (within the last 2 months) the schedule has been done late, and when I say late, I mean its posted online on a Sunday sometime in the evening. I don’t work weekends, only Monday to Friday, with some of my requests for days off being ignored. We have a book to request days off, and it isn’t being used by this new manager.

This is becoming an inconvenience, stressful and makes me not want to turn up to work, especially on Mondays because it’s so last minute. My absent list will be long due to not working shifts I should not have been scheduled for. I want to leave because instead of having the knowledge of what days I’m working before I relax on my weekend, I’m too busy worrying about what time I have to get up on Monday to get to work and Sunday becomes the weekly “I don’t want to go work tomorrow.”

More recently, the manager went on holiday for a week and did not delegate her task of the schedule to the most senior manager. Who asked about the schedule during the week, to which the manager replied that she’d do it on Saturday. But why when there’s someone who’s quite capable?

I know that publishing the schedule can sometimes be last-minute if things get hectic, but it’s been weeks now with no improvement. Should I tackle my manager on her lack of consideration and failure to notice requests? And if so what’s the best way to go about it?

Your manager sucks.

I’d start by talking to her directly and explaining the problem: “Jane, is it possible to have the schedule completed no later than Friday? Traditionally, it’s always been done by then, and I need to be able to plan my schedule for the coming week. When it’s not posted until Sunday night, I often have no idea until the night before whether I’ll need to be at work, or what time off I’ll have in the coming week.”

You should also address the fact that she’s not using the book where days off are requested: “Is there a different way you’d like us to request days off? I’ve been putting them in the days-off book, but I’m not sure that’s still being consulted. What’s the best way for me to let you know about those requests, so that I don’t end up being scheduled on a day I’m not available?”

If that doesn’t change anything, then you can consider escalating it to your regional manager or whoever her manager is. A good manager will want to know that this is going on so that she can intervene and get it fixed. However, if her manager is not a good manager, then this might not accomplish anything.

Based on my understanding of how fast food often works, none of this might get you results. But it’s certainly the professional way to approach it. If it doesn’t work, then at that point you’d need to decide whether you want to keep the job under these terms, or go somewhere else.