update: my needy boss wants me to “adopt” her

Remember the letter-writer whose needy boss tried to invite herself on the letter-writer’s vacations and nights out with her husband. (First update here.) After I reprinted it last week, the writer saw it and sent in a current update:

What a surprise to see this pop up again! It’s been a long three years.

Our work unit remained fully remote for over a year, which was glorious. Productivity soared, and even though my unit’s workloads skyrocketed during the pandemic, we managed to meet our objectives accurately and timely. And remote work – plus Bob and Daisy – continued to be integral in helping me dodge Wanda and her demands for friendship.

In mid-2021, our unit was required to go to a hybrid schedule of two days in-office and three days remote each week. I wasn’t enthused about that, but the good thing was that our in-office days were staggered so that our team was not all there at the same time – and miraculously, my assigned in-office days were different from Wanda’s. So even though I’d far rather still be 100% remote, the fact that I didn’t need to deal with Wanda in person made things more tolerable.

The needy, demanding calls continued, of course. Wanda is a desperately lonely person, and that desperation pushes her to great lengths in her attempts to find – or force – friendships with others, including her own staff. But that Oblivious Meter just stayed stuck on MAXIMUM CLUELESS, no matter how hard she hinted, and I was able to keep healthy boundaries in place.

You’ve probably noticed the past tense by now.

About a year after we returned to hybrid work, Wanda’s sister was diagnosed with a serious illness. The sister’s husband and adult children were struggling with caregiving, plus Wanda was in a tizzy because she was so far away. So she took early retirement last fall, sold her house, and moved to the city where her sister lives.

I still occasionally hear from her. I mostly let the calls go to voicemail nowadays, and then reply by email a day or two later. I keep my tone friendly but not solicitous, and I maintain hard limits on what I share about myself and my family. I am fully aware that I don’t have to interact with her at all, but I genuinely feel sorry for her. While I can’t solve her problems, I can be kind. And ultimately I think the world would be a better place if more of us brought kindness to our interactions with others.

I am still working fulltime, though I am in active planning mode for my own retirement in the next six to nine months. I’m writing reams and reams of process manuals, updating policy documents, training others in my unit, and have been asked to be on the search committee for my replacement later this year.

Bob, my very beloved and romantic-as-a-box-of-hammers husband, retired in January, and is impatiently awaiting my retirement date so that we can head off on our long-planned meander around the country. After Wanda moved to live near her sister, he reworked our itinerary to circumnavigate that region of the country to prevent any possible encounters, with my enthusiastic support. He’s especially looking forward to being away from the landline; since I don’t own (or want) a cellphone, Wanda won’t have any way to call me once Bob and I hit the road together. That is definitely a major advantage to my cellphone-less state.

And Daisy the Wonderdog is still the goodest good girl ever, truly a sanity-saver. She even forgave me for exaggerating the frequency of her potty trips to get out of Wanda’s interminable phone calls. Everyone should have a Daisy the Wonderdog in their life.

Thanks to all for your comments, and be safe out there!

should companies offer bonuses instead of raises?

A reader writes:

My workplace wants to start giving out annual profit share bonuses in lieu of salary raises. Basically, the base bonus (which is based on how well the company does that year) would be multiplied by the number of years someone is there (so for the sake of simple math, if the base bonus is $500, then it would $1k for 2-year employees, $1.5k for 3-year employees, $2k for 4-year employees, and so on).

While it’s nice to get a lump sum at the end of each year, I know that this is no substitute for long-term career salary growth. As I gain more experience and contribute greater value to this company, getting bonuses in lieu of raises ultimately feels like they’re trying to get out of paying me what I’m worth. Am I wrong to think these bonuses would be drops in the bucket compared to the long-term salary potential of getting regular percentage raises? How hard should I be pushing back against this? And how do I push back politely?

I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.

my company is pressuring us to donate huge amounts of money to a coworker

A reader writes:

I am a high volume sales professional for a very successful company. I have a group of peer colleagues with similar tenure. A few years ago the company hired Jane in a support role for our team. From day one, Jane has been terrible at her job. However, Jane is best friends with the CEO’s wife, so has an “immunity shield.” Jane’s incompetence regularly impacts both my job and personal life, requiring me to work late at night and on weekends to make up for her errors. She logs in late each day and logs off by 3:00 or 3:30 pm. She is absent from work at least one day each week and takes far more vacation than those of us that have earned the maximum amount of vacation our company offers. While many have taken note of this, there is never any recourse because of Jane’s friendship with the CEO’s wife. Jane makes a six figure salary.

Recently, Jane’s husband John passed away. They have two high school children. It is a very sad situation and Jane received an outpouring of sympathy from our team and other coworkers.

Then our team leader called a meeting and stated that we would all be contributing to a team fund for Jane to cover expenses. It was suggested that our monetary contributions should be “generous.” Most contributed $250. The CEO also let it slip that Jane would be given two and a half months of paid leave while she “navigates this difficult time.”

Then, an email was sent out that there was a separate company-wide collection for Jane. This email came several days before our holiday bonuses, and it was suggested that we all “dig deep,” as Jane’s son is ready to head off to college. The goal for this fundraiser is $25,000 (from a company of about 120 people, meaning they are expecting $200 per person) with the company matching dollar for dollar each donation. The CEO is organizing this fundraising campaign and tracking the donations. They are also asking for everyone to “throw in” gift cards to Amazon and the local grocery store as well.

That same day, a coworker found a GoFundMe set up by Jane herself, in which she is asking friends, family and coworkers of both Jane and John for financial support so that she can be relived of the “burden” of providing for her children and send her son off to college in the fall. Jane’s fundraising goal is $50,000.

While I feel very badly for Jane’s loss, I cannot help but be appalled at how the company is handling this. Our normal company policy is three days of paid bereavement. Another long-time employee lost an 11-year-old child recently, and she got the three days. That’s it — no extra time off, no company fundraising effort, nothing.

Not only is Jane receiving her full salary, she received our team financial gift ($3,000), the company is fundraising for $25,000 (potentially $50K with the company matching), collecting gift cards, and Jane’s own GoFundMe has reached $16K of her $50K goal.

I feel backed into a corner. While I did contribute the $250, that was more than I was comfortable giving. Most of the people in the organization that are being asked to make big donations make less than Jane. I myself have two kids in college, but I am expected to pay for Jane’s son? It seems that Jane and John may not have adequately planned for their future, but why are her coworkers being essentially strong-armed into paying for their lack of planning?

A coworker from another department confided that she attempted to speak up, saying that this was a big ask from employees, and commenting that others have not received the same treatment. She was immediately shut down.

What is your take on this and how should we, as employees, have handled this? Does this violate HR or labor laws?

Your company is getting this wrong on a number of fronts.

First, it’s horribly wrong to have such a massive disparity in how they’re treating Jane versus how they treated the employee who lost her child and only got three days of leave.

Second, if the company wants to help employees who suffer personal losses — which would be a lovely thing to do — that money should come from their own funds. They have no claim on employees’ personal funds, and it’s not okay to pressure people to donate their own money, no matter how compelling the cause might be. Some companies do have a tradition of employee-organized fundraisers for colleagues in these situations, but (a) those fundraisers are generally employee-led, not imposed from the top down and (b) they’re optional, not mandatory, and definitely don’t have the CEO tracking donations and pressuring people to pony up.

Third, it sure looks the company’s leaders are rallying for Jane in this way because she’s friends with the CEO’s wife. That would be deeply problematic under any circumstances, but when you’ve got someone else on staff who lost her child and got none of this, I can’t imagine how anyone in your company’s leadership thinks this is okay.

That said, I think you’re mixing up some of the issues. Jane’s personal GoFundMe isn’t really the issue; she can do whatever fundraising she wants outside of work. And whether Jane and John adequately planned for their future isn’t the issue either (and really, many families would be in difficult financial straits if one parent died). You do have understandable concerns about Jane (like that her terrible work habits impact you and she clearly was getting special treatment at work before this tragedy happened), but the GoFundMe and her personal planning shouldn’t be in that category.

The problem is your company — with their obvious and over-the-top favoritism in two awful situations, and with their strong-arming people into donating, and with Jane’s immunity before all this happened.

The best thing you and your coworkers can do is to maintain strong boundaries around your own money! When you’re pressured to contribute, it’s okay to decline. If you’re asked about it directly, you can say, “I can’t, there’s no room in my budget.” The more of you who do that, the easier it will get for everyone who wants to do that (and I am sure you’re not the only one). Of course, when everyone else is chipping in, even when they don’t want to, it gets harder to be the one person who declines. But you still can … and when you do, other people are a lot more likely to realize that they can too.

To answer your question about the legalities of what your company is doing: it’s crappy but legal unless (a) someone can show that they’re treating grieving employees differently based on protected factors like race, gender, or religion or (b) the pressure to donate becomes truly mandatory and the amount required takes anyone’s wages below minimum wage for that pay period.

Read an update to this letter. 

boss wants us to “disagree” over LGBTQ inclusion, professional styles for men with long hair, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Boss wants us to “disagree” over LGBTQ inclusion

My big boss is currently obsessed with having “disagreements” despite being very hard to disagree with. She has recently posted on our internal website encouraging us to talk and disagree about our organization’s attitude to LGBTQ colleagues because she has said she is concerned that colleagues with gender critical views feel silenced in the organization. We currently have a LGBTQ staff network and those staff and allies are allowed to wear rainbow lanyards if they want. People are also allowed to share their pronouns and it is currently a place where it would be expected that people respect those. Our big boss has suggested that to make the organization more open to different viewpoints, it might be appropriate to not have the network, not allow people to share pronouns, and ban rainbow lanyards.

This is generally really upsetting to me. I’m trying my hardest to engage with the disagreements but she is refusing to listen when we tell her that her attitude is harming staff morale and making LGBTQ staff feel unsafe. Is there anything I can do to improve how I respond to this? Or is it unreasonable for me to want to keep the network, lanyards, and pronouns? In case it’s relevant, I live and work in the UK.

WTF? To make the organization “more open to different viewpoints,” maybe you can also debate whether women should have the right to vote and whether slavery is wrong. Your boss is just a bigot and she’s dressing it up as wanting dialogue. It makes sense that LGBTQ staff feel unsafe now, because your organization has become unsafe for them.

Beyond UK law (which I can’t speak to), what you and your coworkers can do depends on how much pressure against this you’re able to mobilize and how much power your boss has. (How high-up is she? If “big boss” means anything other than the very top, start by going to someone above her.)

2. Should community leaders have privacy when they leave?

I’d love your thoughts on a situation I’ve now seen twice. One happened years ago in my friend’s church. The other more recently in another friend’s choir. In both cases, a leader (a minister, the conductor) left their position suddenly and without explanation. Both of my friends were outraged and felt that they were owed an explanation and a chance to address the situation before the person left. One friend had contact information for the person in question and reached out privately but never received a response. The other was discouraged by remaining leadership from reaching out to the person who left. Both vented to me extensively about how wronged they felt and how unprofessional this behavior was.

I disagree that this behavior was unprofessional. Over the course of my career, I’ve seen plenty of people leave without providing an explanation to their coworkers. Even the VP of my current company left with nothing more than “Jack is moving on,” and I felt that was sufficient. But my friends argue that because these institutions are more about the community, more is owed to that community.

So what say you? Is a community entitled to an explanation when a leader leaves, regardless of the reasons? Or can someone leave a public position for private reasons without having to expand further?

I don’t think anyone is ever owed an explanation for why someone else chooses to leave a group, but it’s also true that community leaders have more of an obligation to care for their “flocks” (I’m using that term loosely) than in purely business situations, and that can mean sharing a bit more about their decision to leave when that is something they are comfortable doing — and when it’s not, to at least try for bland, if uninformative, messaging (“other opportunities”). Similarly, though, I’d argue that community members have somewhat of an obligation to assume good will and to figure that if someone leaves without offering an explanation, they probably have a reason for not sharing more, and to respect their privacy.

Members are not owed a chance to address the situation before the person leaves. It’s great when that can happen, but there are some situations where it can’t. And it’s not always something the community would be able to address anyway — the leader could be leaving for personal reasons that have nothing to do with the group.

I think your upset friends would benefit from thinking about the many situations where someone might want to keep their reason for leaving private. Why not instead think, “This is someone who was part of our community who we respected, and if they chose to keep their reasons for leaving private, they presumably had cause for that, even if I’ll never know what it was”?

(A big exception is when the person is leaving because of their own wrongdoing. The head of your local games group doesn’t need to share that’s he’s leaving for health reasons. But a church leader told to leave for, for example, exploiting vulnerable members is something the remaining leadership should be transparent with the rest of the community about.)

3. Professional hairstyles for a man with very long hair

My husband has beautiful, well-maintained waist-length hair. He is applying for jobs and will likely interview in the near future. What should he do with his hair? He is a remote worker and normally wears it down, in a low ponytail down his back, or pulled on top of his head in a bun. He works in an academic setting (non-faculty) and has never received negative feedback on his hair, and we live in a liberal, fashion-forward West Coast city. I don’t think it’s a problem but realized that while I as a woman, also with long hair, have some go-to hairstyles I might use for an interview, they would be fussy and unnatural on him (a French twist, for example). I can imagine him interviewing somewhere slightly more conservative or old-fashioned than his current work place and I wonder what the lowest-key way to manage his hair would be. Interested in any ideas from the commenters, too!

I vote long, low ponytail, or possibly a bun (but you mentioned a bun on the top of his head and that will look too casual; a bun for an interview should be lower).

4. My lunch break should be my own time, right?

I work in tech and even before the pandemic, I was working almost entirely from home. A few months ago, I got a new manager who encourages us to come in one day per week — all on the same day, so we can have an in-person team meeting.

I don’t mind coming in one day per week, but my question is about my lunch break. On the days we’re all in the office, we have a team breakfast, a long (multi-hour) team meeting sitting together, spend the whole day sitting in the same office room, and generally have lots of smaller meetings amongst ourselves. It’s nonstop interaction.

My boss also wants us to do a team lunch when we’re there. I usually attend, but honestly, I find interacting with my coworkers for eight hours straight, with zero breaks, to be exhausting and overstimulating.

I have other friends who work at my company and this past week, I got lunch with them rather than my team, and it was so nice to get a break and be able to decompress a bit; turn off my “work persona,” so to speak. But when I got back from lunch, my manager was kind of digging for a reason why I didn’t join them and I just pretended like I didn’t notice.

I shouldn’t have to explain myself, right? The lunch is just at the company cafeteria, so it’s not like it requires any planning or it makes a difference if I’m not there. Any tips for how to handle this going forward?

It’s your lunch break so no, you shouldn’t have to explain yourself — but it sounds like you might need to anyway. If it comes up again, you could say, “Oh, I always need a real break at lunch” (personally I would add, “so my brain works the rest of the day”). Or, preemptively as you’re parting from the group, “I made lunch plans but I’ll see you back here at 1!”

And that day does sound exhausting when you’ve been used to working on your own.

5. I’ve been using my work computer as my personal computer too

I joined a small, new company a little over a year ago as a remote freelancer, doing work on my personal computer. A few months after I went full-time, my boss asked everyone at the business if they needed anything to make their work easier. My computer was on its last legs at this point, so I asked for and received a new laptop (they knew this was because my computer was about to break). At that time, I transferred all my files — including personal files — onto the new laptop and have been using it for both work and non-work purposes ever since. This was naivete on my part; I’m new to this sector and just thought it was nice of them. Now, I’ve received a message that next week all our work computers will be set up in the company’s new management system. What should I do? Do I need to buy a new personal computer to transpose all my non-work files onto, or can I keep my personal files on the same computer? How much surveillance am I opening myself up to? How badly have I messed up, and is it appropriate to talk to a manager about it honestly (saying that all my non-work files are on the “work computer” and asking what I should do) or does that open me up to being punished in some way?

You should buy a new computer for your personal use and move your personal files on to it. The computer they sent you is a work computer — it’s company property, you’ll almost certainly need to return it to them when you leave, there is indeed the possibility that they’ll be able to surveil what you do on it, and there’s even a risk that they’ll be able to do things like remote-wipe it after you leave.

You’re not likely to be punished if you explain to your manager what you did — but it won’t change the fact that you still need to move your personal stuff to your own computer, so you might as well just go straight to doing that.

weekend open thread – March 4-5, 2023

This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand.

Here are the rules for the weekend posts.

Book recommendation of the week: Happy All the Time, by Laurie Colwin. Best friends each fall in love and navigate courtship and marriage alongside each other. Funny and charming.

* I make a commission if you use that Amazon link.

it’s your Friday good news

It’s your Friday good news!

1.  “I’ve been reading your blog for the last year solidly and learnt a huge amount. With that in mind, I recently interviewed for an IT support role supporting over 200 users as a team of 2 people. The initial interview went well enough that I was offered the job, and then the 2nd interview with the HR rep began. The stated range was 30 to 35k GBP, and I was offered 27,900, with an end of year bonus that would bring it back up to the bottom of that range.

I would have accepted this offer before reading your blog, but I thought I’d take a chance and try and negotiate somewhat. Stating that the advert made it sound like the salary range was for basic salary, not for salary plus a bonus, I restated my own experience in the kind of roles they were asking for 7 to 10 years experience in, the fact that the scope of the job meant it would be hard to find other candidates, and that whilst I wouldn’t have any direct reports, the fact that I’d be responsible for so many users essentially meant that I wouldn’t be able to consider the role without them coming to at least the middle of their range for the basic salary. They responded positively, increasing the offer to 32k gbp, and 3k end of year bonus, netting me an approximate 25% raise over my previous role.

Thank you for being a wonderful source of information, and for giving the various templates to model the negotiations after. As I said before, even a year or two ago, I wouldn’t have had the courage to negotiate at all, and would have just accepted the first offer without trying to advocate for myself.”

2.  “The going-away party I wrote to you about a year ago (#4 at the link) proved to be a moot problem because my manager never followed up on the party planning. Instead, he brought just bought in a box of doughnuts on my last day.

During the job hunt that allowed to me to transition out of that company, I spent significant time and effort figuring out what kind of culture I was looking for (welcoming, progressive) in my next role, and I ended up turning down two roles where the DEI efforts they touted didn’t hold up under questioning. (One company talked a big game about diversity in their job description, but could only offer ‘multicultural potlucks’ as a concrete example of their efforts in that area.)

I job searched on and off for about a year (while still employed in my previous role) before I found a role that was a good fit. It’s been amazing. I feel completely comfortable being myself at this company and I’ve also been receiving really great feedback about my performance. My manager receives feedback without retaliation and sincerely apologizes for microaggressions on the rare occasion when they happen.

It’s funny, because I’m doing the same type and quality of work here that I did at my laat company, and the response to that work is totally different. The response at my last job to my work was so dismissive that I really had to consciously unpair my ‘good work = positive feedback’ expectations and just do my best with no expectation of reward or acceptance. Having to do that has made it hard for me to accept the praise I’m receiving in this role, because it feels like the responses to my work have been essentially arbitrary over the course of the last four years. That’s been a difficult thing to overcome. But being unable to accept positive feedback from a manager I trust and have a good relationship with — that’s a good problem to have!”

3.  “I’m a long time reader and have really seen some of my thinking shift thanks to you. So thank you.

One of the topics you’ve taught me about is about asking for more money. I recently shifted jobs and I knew, for a variety of reasons, that asking for more money would be a non-starter. But I did it anyway.

The answer was still no but the feedback I got from my new supervisor was positive and supportive and it was a great experience. It prepares me for other things including future salary requests and I really appreciate everything I’ve learned from you. Thank you!”

open thread – March 3-4, 2023

It’s the Friday open thread!

The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers.

* If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer.

my manager and coworker are secretly dating, boss will never give “exceeds expectations” because he has “high standards,” and more

It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go…

1. My manager and coworker are divorcing their spouses and secretly dating

My coworker, Frank (who is above me in the chain of command, but only occasionally acts as my supervisor), just confided in me that he is dating my manager, Lauren (who is also HIS manager). We work closely together on a small team; I suspected they were having an affair for some time now, but hoped I was incorrect and never mentioned my suspicions to anyone.

Frank says they are both divorcing their spouses. I know my manager is applying for other roles in the company, but neither of them has informed HR about their relationship. They are worried that if they tell HR, Frank will be forced to move to another location, as it might be easier and quicker to find him a new role vs. finding one for Lauren. What, if anything, should I do? Their behavior already made me uncomfortable, but having it confirmed makes it even worse! We have an anonymous way to report things to HR, but they will probably guess I am who ratted them out. Should I just pretend I don’t know/keep their secret? I feel complicit now, and that’s making me feel really icky. I liked both of them and we get along just fine, but I’m really disappointed in their judgment. Especially with yearly reviews coming up soon — how is it ethical for Lauren to distribute a merit increase (or not) to Frank?

It’s an extremely serious ethical violation for Lauren to date someone she’s managing, and it’s a legal liability for your company. At a minimum, it will create the appearance of bias and favoritism once people learn about it (and they almost definitely will), and it can also mean Frank’s performance won’t be assessed appropriately, he won’t be given adequate feedback, and/or his accomplishments will be seen as suspect by everyone else, and it can open your company to charges of harassment down the road (“I wanted to end things but she implied it would affect things at work”).

Now, none of this is your problem to solve. If you want to do nothing, you can. But you’d be on very, very solid ground in letting HR know. This is a big deal and Frank and Lauren know it’s a big deal (that’s why they’re trying to conceal it), and it shouldn’t be your burden to carry around for them.

2. Boss will never award “exceeds expectations” because he has “high standards”

My previous boss said he never gives more than a “meets expectations” on performance reviews because he has really high standards, and a person would have to do a lot to exceed his expectations.

However, these ratings affect pay increases, so it seems like a penalty to be told, “You’re doing your job at a level that meets my very high expectations” but also, “You don’t deserve the highest raise I’m allowed to give you because you haven’t exceeded those high expectations.” What are your thoughts?

That is BS and not the way performance ratings are supposed to work. A company managing evaluations well will work to get all managers aligned around the same definitions of “meets expectations” and “exceeds expectations” and will clearly spell out what each of those categories looks like, so that managers and employees are all working from the same definitions, rather than each manager using their own subjective understandings. (Setting clear goals for each position makes this a lot easier, too.)

“I have really high expectations that no one can ever meet” shouldn’t be part of the discussion at all.

3. Should I include feedback from client surveys on my resume

I am in a client-facing role, and my current firm places a lot of importance in third party services that measure our net promoter score and client satisfaction. I tend to be kind of “meh” about the whole thing (I mean, our marketing team pays a lot for these services!), but in the last round of client satisfaction surveys, there was an option to provide feedback to individual professionals at the firm. I specifically received some very positive reviews in this last review cycle (for example, “Jane is always very helpful and meets the deadlines set internally.”). Can I include these reviews in my résumé? How would I present it? Also, as a point of respect, would I anonymize the companies who provided that feedback?

If some of the feedback is really impressive, yes, you could quote one or two examples — for example, “lauded by clients for ‘superb insights on some of our trickiest briefs.’” (Don’t name the client since they didn’t give permission for that.)

The big caveat: Anything you quote should be truly superlative, so don’t include the stuff like “always very helpful and meets deadlines” — that’s too close to “meets expectations” and doesn’t rise to the level of resume-worthy.

4. A question about tea

I think tea-making is an essential skill! I am pushing 40, have made tea for my team members higher and lower on the ladder all my life, and now I’m senior, continue to do the same every day without thinking about it. However, I am low-key irked when the occasional long-term colleague never offers to make me/anyone a cup, or if they don’t bother finding out HOW people take their tea/coffee (equally important). Or they make tea for visitors but apologize, saying they’re “bad” at making tea. Knowing how to make tea is not only good manners, but it’s an essential small team thing, and shows you care! It’s giving minutes of your time for Good Will.

Yes? No? Mountain over a tea-hill?

(I’m from the UK.)

I laughed at your ending parenthetical, because obviously.

For non-UK readers who don’t know about this, the UK has very specific rules of engagement for tea-drinking at work.

Unfortunately, though, I can’t answer this question because U.S. office culture has no equivalent to the UK’s tea-making expectations, not even with coffee. The American viewpoint on this is that while it’s lovely to offer to grab others a beverage when you’re getting one, there’s no obligation to do that, it’s not weird if you don’t, and you definitely don’t need to learn how to prepare a beverage you don’t drink yourself. In fact, many non-coffee drinkers here make a point of not learning to make good coffee so they’re not conscripted into coffee duty. (There are some exceptions to this, like if you’re an assistant who needs to get coffee for visitors.) But the American viewpoint is irrelevant, because that’s not the culture you’re in.

All of which is to say, I’m no help here but I’m sharing this anyway as a fascinating look into a different work culture.

update: I supervise a manager who falsified an employee write-up … but I don’t think she should be fired

Remember the letter-writer who supervised a manager who falsified an employee write-up but didn’t think she should be fired? Here’s the update.

Thanks for answering my letter.

I saw some questions that came up in the comments so wanted to give more information about what happened.

First, Jason choosing to work on-site did not mean Rachel needed to work on-site.

Some people speculated that Rachel was embezzling or doing something shady and wanted to be at home to hide it. But she had no access to personal information, confidential information, trade secrets, company money, or any financial or banking information. Anything is possible but Rachel doesn’t have that kind of job.

Some people assumed Rachel and I must be friends. We are not. She lives in another city and we have never met in person or interacted outside of work, or about things not related to work or small talk.

Officially Jason had been written up for a minor policy violation, not anything that required a meeting or further action. I have 14 managers directly reporting to me and they have over 150 people reporting to them. No one, including me, Manny, HR, or Jason, knew that the write-up Rachel gave Jason was different than the one that went into his file. Jason thought he had misunderstood the work remote or on-site rules and was taken aback by Rachel’s anger at him and upset she didn’t try to explain the misconception to him (she didn’t because there was not any on his part).

Rachel’s deception came out at his exit interview. He said he left because of the write-up and Rachel’s anger at him.

After the exit interview, when HR compared the copy of the write-up Jason had given them to what was in his file, the discrepancy was realized. HR immediately notified Manny and me by email. Manny spoke to Rachel about it and she didn’t deny it and made the “work from home is perfect for Jason” statement. He fired her on the spot. I was leading a meeting and didn’t see HR’s email until almost two hours later. I did not find out Rachel had been fired until the next day when one of Rachel’s reports asked me for a day off and said he was asking me because Rachel had been fired. HR said they will do more in the future to stop another misunderstanding.

Some commenters asked whether all of Rachel’s work would now need to be reviewed. We did alert the auditor but they found nothing untoward when they looked. Before Jason, Rachel had only ever written up one employee (for being rude to a presenter at a meeting, which was witnessed by others). HR reviewed the files of the rest of Rachel’s reports and they were as they should be. A third party we hired did anonymous surveys and interviews and HR did an interview and no one spoke badly about Rachel.

Manny and I sat down and talked about it. He apologized for not having me there when he met with Rachel, for firing her without discussing it or telling me, and for letting me find out from an employee the next day. He agreed he dropped the ball and should have handled it differently. For my part, I agree that my feelings about being out of the loop clouded my judgment and got my back up and he was right to fire her. Manny agreed to handle it differently going forward. He said he has no concerns about my management or performance.

Thanks for helping me see that my feelings were clouding my judgment and how to properly deal with it. I appreciate it.

stolen sandwiches, disgusting fridges, dish-washing drama: let’s talk about office kitchen mayhem

For those of you who are back in your office or who never left, let’s talk office kitchen wars: sandwich thefts, moldy food that stays in the fridge for months, drama over dishes in the sink, passive-aggressive notes, the oatmeal that exploded in the microwave three months ago and never got cleaned up…

Are your office kitchen wars back (if they ever stopped)? Share your stories of kitchen mayhem in the comments.