if you work for a church, can they require you to give 10% of your salary back to them? by Alison Green on February 13, 2023 A reader writes: A friend of mine has been really down on his luck job-wise, but he’s finally managed to pass the final round of interviews for an IT position at a church. The way he tells it, it seems as though they are just waiting for his background check to go through and they’ll go forward with hiring him. He was given a copy of the employee handbook today, and as he was reading it, he said it stated that church staff are required to tithe! (For those who may be unfamiliar, a tithe is nowadays interpreted as 10% of your income given to the church). So, if he takes this job he will have to give 10% of his paycheck back to the church. Normally I would just tell him to find a different job elsewhere, but in this case my friend has been looking for a job for months and has a kid to support, and this is his first real lead (his work history is pretty unfortunate and he has been a stay-at-home parent for most of the last five years). My thing is, even if this policy is illegal (which google tells me is not only legal, but fairly common practice), he likely won’t make any progress with trying to change any policy as a brand-new employee. So I figure his options are to (a) take the job and just don’t tithe, and hope no one says anything, (b) tithe, suck it up, and try to make himself feel better about it by focusing on the discount he’s getting on their (not free) childcare program, or (c) start all the way back over with his job search, and risk homelessness. None of those options are great, so what would you advise? Also, if my friend makes less than the minimum salary requirement for exempt employees after the tithe, is it still legal to require it? And the last thing — HOW is this legal??? It is indeed legal for churches to require their employees to tithe. I was skeptical at first too, but yep. The answer to “how is that possible?” is that federal law exempts religious organizations like churches from laws against religious discrimination. That means that churches can, for example, require that employees be “church members in good standing” and good standing can require tithing. So yes, your friend would be earning 10% less than the salary the church offers him, since 10% will be going right back to them. He should find out whether it’s taken as a pre-tax deduction from his paycheck (preferable) or whether he’ll be taxed on the money before he’s required to donate it back. (In most states they cannot withhold the money from his paycheck without his written permission … but they can also fire him for not tithing so, you know, tomato/tamahto.) Normally if a required deduction takes your paycheck under minimum wage, it’s illegal … or if it takes an exempt employee under the exempt salary threshold, they’d lose the exemption and thus would be entitled to overtime (here’s an explanation of what that all means). However, that’s governed by the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) and churches are often exempt from the FLSA! However, individual church employees can still be covered, depending on their duties, so there’s no blanket answer here. You’d need a lawyer to look at the specifics of his situation. (There are also a bunch of state-specific exceptions, so a lawyer is really the way to go if he wants definite answers.) As for the options you laid out … if he’s really at risk of homelessness or not being able to buy food/medical care/other necessities, he should take the job. Hell, even if he’s not at risk of those things, he should take the job if it’s his only option for income. He doesn’t need to stay long-term, but it’ll get a paycheck coming in for now. He could try not tithing and see what happens — but my guess is he’ll be called on it eventually, even if not immediately, so he should be putting that 10% aside in case he suddenly needs to cough it up to stay in the job. (Or, if he has other options by the time that happens, maybe he doesn’t need to cough it up — but you don’t want him to find himself in a situation where he needs to and can’t.) If he’s really opposed to tithing (which would be understandable), in theory he could take the job, not tithe, collect the paychecks for as long as he can, and then let them fire him for not complying at some point if they want to. But that’s not a great solution if he’s trying to repair a spotty job history. It also raises the ethical issue of whether, when an employer is up-front about the requirements of the job and you oppose those requirements, is it okay to take the job knowing you don’t intend to comply? On one hand, the law says the church has the right to only hire people who actively support their congregation, including monetarily. On the other hand, there’s some inherent coercion in this situation, especially when we’re talking about someone whose alternative might be homelessness. So … I don’t know. I don’t like the requirement to tithe, but they’re being up-front about it … and I’m also not a religious person trying to build a team of other religious people to run a church with (and I can see how my perspective might change if I were). I suppose ultimately I could argue it either way. 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people are stealing the bathroom items I bought for shared use, how much mental health support should managers provide, and more by Alison Green on February 13, 2023 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. How much direct mental health support should managers provide? You get a lot of questions about how employees can deal with managers who overstep the mark in the name of mental health, pushing employees to be vulnerable and share details about the mental health. I very much support your advice — that generally, it’s safest for employers to have really firm boundaries and to enforce them when management try and get too touchy-feely. But it’s got me wondering if as manager maybe I lean too hard into that? I have very strong boundaries between my personal and professional life (I didn’t used to! but I’ve developed them!) and I maintain those boundaries as a manager and encourage my team to do the same. Earlier today, we had a “mental health” session at work where our managing director shared his own mental health journey and diagnoses with the view of “encouraging people to be brave” and “help people feel comfortable bringing their whole selves at work.” While there was no explicit encouragement for others to do the same, it definitely made me feel a bit weird. I immediately sent a follow-up to my direct reports saying that of course I’m here to listen if they ever need it, but I’ll never ask anyone to share any personal details with me. I also reiterated that they can always use sick days for mental health (and that they don’t have to explicitly tell me that that’s what they’re doing), and pointed them in the direction of our employer resources, which includes free access to professional mental health services. While of course I want to support my team, my approach if anyone came to me with mental health struggles would be to encourage them to take some time off, point them in the direction of employer resources, and let them know the process if they need any official accommodations. But now I’m wondering if I’m too cold and should be more of a sympathetic ear to my direct reports? How much should a manager do when it comes to mental health? No, you are right and your managing director is overstepping. “Encouraging people to be brave” or to share their “mental health journey” can mean “encouraging people to make themselves vulnerable to discrimination” (particularly when their “whole selves” aren’t part of what’s mainstream in their office). Moreover, the workplace is not the right place to delve into trauma or be asked to listen to other people’s trauma — and that’s what “mental health journey” can mean. Your approach to supporting your team with time off, resources, and accommodations is exactly right. Unless you are a trained therapist — and unless you are their trained therapist — it would be inappropriate for you to do more. If your employer wants to make sure it’s supporting employees’ mental health, that’s great. They can offer strong mental health coverage as part of their insurance, be flexible with employees who need time off for therapy, talk openly about what types of accommodations are available to people who need them, and be thoughtful about workloads and how much stress employees are expected to take on. That’s what they’re uniquely positioned to do and it’s the most useful contribution they can make. 2. People are stealing the items I bought for shared use in our bathroom I am a manager at a government agency. We have very specific purchasing rules, this applies later. I like to be comfortable at work — we are all here a long time every day! So I have been personally purchasing toiletries for the bathrooms (feminine hygiene products, lotion, air freshener, wrinkle release, dental floss picks, lint roller, etc.) that cannot be purchased using public funds. I intend these items to be used by colleagues. But without fail, these items just walk away in their entirety. I’ve replaced items often, but just this morning the nicer lotion is missing, the bottle of Febreeze is gone, and the new box of tampons is 100% empty. I’ve never said anything to anyone about it because I feel petty. I’ve never shared that I’m providing these things because I hoped that it would just be a nice community thing. And I assumed that since we’re all government employees, most of us responsible for finance and purchasing, everyone knows those items are not being purchased by their employer. Is there an appropriate way to address this? Or do I just call it quits and chalk it up to a lesson learned? Lesson learned, probably. If you were in a small office with only a few people using that bathroom, you could try explaining to people that you were buying those items personally and ask them to leave them in there … but at a government agency, I’m guessing there are a lot of people using that bathroom, not all of whom you know, and it’s likely a losing battle. It was kind of you to try! 3. Am I overdoing it with “thanks” emails? I’m a few years into my career and still a bit confused about email etiquette when it comes to saying thank you. My job involves a lot of outreach to both coworkers and different organizations for quick bits of information, so I always send a brief “thank you” or “much appreciated” once I get the information I need for the sake of warmth and politeness. It feels wrong not to! When I get perfunctory thank-you emails to my inbox, however, I nearly always delete them right away without much of a second thought. Or in the case of the team I work with, it feels like I’m laying it on thick thanking them multiple times a day for things that are a part of their job that they do without a second thought. I can’t tell whether I’m coming off as friendly or simpering. Is it possible to overdo it with the thankfulness? There’s no one right answer to this; different people handle it differently. I tend to think a quick “thanks” is useful not just to express appreciation but to confirm you got whatever the other person sent you. It’s closing the loop. And yes, the person on the other end is probably deleting it without much thought just like you are, but there’s still value in acknowleding “I’ve received this and am now set.” That said, you’ve got to know your office culture — if it’s email-heavy and no one else is doing it, you might adjust accordingly. 4. Can you opt out of a retention interview? A friend started a new job this week. She told me that during onboarding she learned about retention interviews. They are done by HR and are similar to exit interviews. I don’t know what the process is to select someone for an interview or how many people are interviewed each quarter. I think this is (potentially) a great idea. But if you’re tagged for something like this, is it okay to opt out? Is it something that’s shared with your manager? Info from retention interviews usually is shared with your manager because the point is to figure out what they need to do/keep doing/stop doing in order to keep you around, and your manager is usually — although not always — the best person to spearhead that. Opting out is likely to raise the question of why. If you have an easily explainable reason like that you’re slammed with deadlines, that’s one thing. But otherwise it’s likely to make your manager wonder if you’re completely disengaged or demoralized, and it’s pretty likely they’ll ask you about it (and “I’m not willing to talk about things that would keep me here” is kind of a startling message, unless you’re able to point to a reason why — like “we’ve done these five times now and it never seems to affect anything”). 5. Should I design a thank-you PDF to send after my interviews? In the past, you’ve given advice about what to write and how to send thank-you notes to a potential employer. What are your thoughts on creating a PDF thank-you card that can be sent to potential employers via email after an interview? The jobs I’m applying to include elements of graphic design and technical competency. I could see how sending a customized PDF thank-you card could be a great way to directly show off my skills to a future employer. However, I haven’t heard anyone do this before. I don’t know if that’s because this is a bad idea or because this is a new idea. Thoughts? I wouldn’t recommend it. Post-interview notes are a business communication and, as such, should be sent as regular emails. (You also shouldn’t send a card through the mail for this purpose, even though you might do that in your non-work life.) These notes also aren’t really about thanking the interviewer at all; they’re about building on the conversation you had in the interview. A card just isn’t the right medium. It’ll probably feel clearer if you stop thinking “thank-you note” and instead think “business follow-up.” You may also like:managing mental health at work: a round-uphow should I handle joking around during mental health discussions with my team?my boss wants us to all share our mental health needs - at every meeting { 563 comments }
weekend open thread – February 11-12, 2023 by Alison Green on February 10, 2023 This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. Here are the rules for the weekend posts. Book recommendation of the week: Silver Sparrow, by Tayari Jones, in which a man has two daughters — one in his public family and one in his secret family on the side. Only the secret family is aware he’s leading a double life, but when the two daughters meet things begin to unravel. * I make a commission if you use that Amazon link. You may also like:all of my 2021 and 2022 book recommendationsall of my 2019 and 2020 book recommendationsall of my book recommendations from 2015-2018 { 1,198 comments }
it’s your Friday good news by Alison Green on February 10, 2023 It’s your Friday good news: 1. “I’ve never written in, but I read the site every single day. I’ve been at my current company for over 12 years, and just last year I finally landed in a role that I love. My company merged with another one about a year ago, so I went from being the only person in my role to being one of two people. Then we hired a third. Thanks to this site, I knew we were well within our rights to discuss salary. We’re all doing the exact same work with the exact same title. I came to find out that the other two people in my role were making 25% more than me! For the same work! I took this info to our division HR rep, and then wheels got put in motion. She told me that the company we merged with had ‘different compensation philosophies’ than my legacy company, so that’s why there was such a big pay discrepancy. The new person apparently got hired with the ‘compensation philosophy’ of the other legacy company. It took about two months, but I’m happy to report that I just got a 25% raise to be on par with my peers! A one-time raise of that size is basically unheard of at my company. If it weren’t for this site, I wouldn’t have felt I had the power to advocate for myself the way that I did. Now I’m in a role that I love and I know I’m being paid what I’m worth. Thank you, Alison, for empowering us with information.” 2. “In March 2020, I was let go from my job. The resulting soul-searching led to a realization: If I want to Ask a Manager constantly about the job, it’s probably not a good fit for me. In my three-year tenure at that job, I emailed you five separate times asking about issues I was dealing with there (!). Countless other times, I wondered if a letter complaining about a coworker or direct report was about me, or contemplated writing in about something or other. In the end, though I was incredibly worried about job-searching in a pandemic, I am much better off now.” 3. “This time last year I was in my 6th year working as a teacher. I was making $49,500 pre-tax. I was miserable, dreaded going into work each day, felt unsupported by admin, attacked by parents and students, and experienced low career self esteem. To paint a quick picture: a vice principal said that I wasn’t doing enough to earn my paycheck, parents would call and tell me what and how to teach my class, I had to pick up the slack of a colleague who would fall asleep during a co-taught class and then be told to ‘let it go’ because he was probably tired (?!), among many other instances that left me feeling totally defeated. I felt like I had wasted time and money getting a master’s degree in education, only to realize it wasn’t what I thought it would be, especially in the wake of the pandemic. I was at a crossroads. I decided to aggressively start networking, revamped my resume, pored over your site, and put my all into the job search process. It honestly felt like a second job. It was stressful, I doubted myself every step of the way, and wondered if I would be trapped in the education field forever. Now, I know there are some sensitive feelings around folks leaving education with some current teachers and admin lambasting former teachers for leaving them and the kids high and dry. But at the end of the day, I knew that I had to do what was right for me, my family, and my mental health, and that was to leave. I’m so glad I did. I landed a job in the corporate world and even though I’m starting again from the bottom of the ladder, so to speak, I am so grateful and happy I was able to make this transition out of the classroom. I work a solid 9-5, fully remote with lots of flexibility, great insurance benefits, really generous PTO, and a great company culture. My manager and team are so supportive and encouraging of me. I’ve learned loads already in the few months I’ve been here, and I am treated with respect and dignity every single day. It also doesn’t hurt that I’m now making $80,000 before our year end bonus and raises are announced. I’m very grateful to you and your site for your advice and the insights from this thoughtful community. Thank you!” Note: I am approaching the end of my stockpile of good news posts, so you’d like the feature to keep going, please send in your own! You may also like:interviewer wants to know my current salary (with an update already included!)my boss has delusions of grandeur about our website -- do I have to burst his bubble?I burned a bridge in a spectacular way -- how do I deal with everyone talking about it? { 110 comments }
open thread – February 10-11, 2023 by Alison Green on February 10, 2023 It’s the Friday open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers. * If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer. You may also like:someone keeps farting in important client meetingswhat your tone should sound like in tricky work conversationshere's a bunch of help finding a new job { 920 comments }
my employees don’t want to talk in meetings, old boss is using me as a business lead, and more by Alison Green on February 10, 2023 It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go… 1. My employees don’t want to talk in meetings … but their jobs require it I manage a team of budget analysts who are the bridge between departments and our central budget office. Two team members have never been comfortable with public speaking, and one has shared that she has extreme anxiety around having to speak in meetings. This seems to have gotten worse since the team went permanently remote in 2020. One team member shared that in a meeting with our DEI consultant she volunteered an answer and the facilitator said the answer was something else, and as a result she no longer feels comfortable sharing insights and opinions. I am not sure what to do. I want to be sensitive to the trauma they feel around speaking at meetings (all on Teams, and they are not required to turn cameras on), but I also need them to participate so that information is provided at the moment it is needed (it’s not always possible to ask for it in writing in advance) and be willing to make recommendations/suggestions (not just report facts). Any suggestions? The core question: how essential is it to their jobs? From what you’ve written, it sounds pretty essential. If that’s the case, you should be straightforward about that: “I hear you that you’re not comfortable with this. It’s an essential piece of your role because (insert reasons) and I do need you to answer questions and make recommendations in these meetings. What can I do to help you do that?” (For example, could you role-play the meetings with them? Start debriefing with them afterwards, so they’re getting immediate positive feedback? Suggest Toastmasters, or have the organization pay for a public speaking class?) You should also look for opportunities to reinforce that they have good insights — make a point to praise their ideas in other settings, maybe ask them to train others when that makes sense — because building up their confidence might help. On the other hand, if it’s something that only comes up a couple of times a year and it’s more of a nice-to-have rather than a must-have for their jobs, it could make sense to just work around it — finding someone else to fill in for them or even doing it yourself if that’s feasible. So the question is really how central it is to their work. By the way, I’m wondering what happened in that meeting with the DEI consultant that led one of your employees to no longer feel comfortable sharing her opinions. Was there an issue with how the consultant handled it? Is the employee overreacting because of the subject matter? There’s probably something worth exploring there. Read an update to this letter. 2. Do I have to wear a bra, part 4: what about at a coworking space? How professionally do I need to dress for a coworking space? No coworkers of mine are there but I do know the staff since I go every day. Most people who are there are generally put together and dress somewhere in between casual and business casual. Some outfits I’ve been iffy on: patterned workout leggings, crop tops with high-waisted pants (revealing about half an inch of midriff), sweaters that are a bit linty, and baseball caps — things that I’d wear to the coffee shop but not to an office. Most of all, I would like to skip wearing a bra sometimes. What do the unspoken laws of the hotdesking space permit? Skip the bra if you want to! I’d like to say skip the bra at the office too if you want to, but that’s often a more complicated calculus (it shouldn’t be, but it is). But in a coworking space where no one’s your coworker and people are dressing casually, go right ahead and skip the bra. As for the other outfits … it depends on the vibe there (which I can’t quite assess from your description) and how much you care if you’re out of sync with that. Some coworking spaces really play up a polished vibe and others don’t at all. I don’t think you need to worry too much about linty sweaters, though. 3. My old boss is using me as a business lead I am a former federal contractor who is now a federal employee. I have nothing to do with our contracting office; my job uses the same skill set for which I contracted (like graphic design or engineering). My former director at the contracting firm asked me to get coffee with her and catch up, so I said yes! She said she would bring two other contracting people who are related to my organization: one who tries to get agencies to contract with the firm, and another who specializes in my professional area. I was immediately grossed out and thankfully begged off due to a conference my team needed to attend. She’s reached out again this week (post-conference) to see if we could pick a new date to get coffee. We didn’t work closely together (she’s a mover-and-shaker; I’m a happy cog-in-the-wheel) but got along well! I feel grossed out and sad to be used as a lead. I guess I’m realizing that it’s “just business” to her, but any recommendations you have as to redirect this kindly would be appreciated. I have nothing to do with contracts, and there are a lot of “no schmooze” guidelines for federal employees. Grossed out is a strong reaction — business networking is pretty normal for people to do. But you can definitely make it clear that you’re not up for for the meeting she was envisioning. One option is to lean on the federal guidelines — “I have nothing to do with contracts and as a federal employee I have to follow really strict guidelines about that kind of meeting, so I would need to keep it just the two of us. If that works for you, how about (date/time)?” If you didn’t have that excuse, you could say, “I’d rather catch up one-on-one — can we keep it just the two of us? How’s (date/time)?” (That assumes you want to catch up with her. If you don’t, you can plead a busy schedule and say you’ll let her know when things slow down. But in general, if you’re up for it, it’s helpful to stay in touch with old managers.) 4. Should I tell my new job about my husband’s out-of-state interview? Do I tell my new job the real reason I need to miss a couple days — that I’m going with my husband on an in-person interview trip out of state? My husband is in a soul-sucking job he’s been trying to get out of for a while. He’s the primary breadwinner in our family. I stayed at home with our baby for two years, and just started a new job two months ago. My pay is okay, but it’s a third of what my husband makes. He’s been headhunted for a job that, professionally, is perfect. But it’s located across the country, and in a place that’s culturally vastly different than where we live now. We are both very unsure if it’s the right move, which is why we feel it’s important for me to accompany him to try and get a feel for the place. I am guessing we’re not going to be won over, but we’re willing to give the visit a sincere chance. The dates he’s been offered are all in the next couple weeks and in the middle of the week, so no one would believe it’s a fun vacation. I could call in sick, but I hate being gone suddenly and unless I wanted to claim to be violently ill, there would be an expectation that I’d do at least some work from home. I may or may not have much time on the visit to do work. But I’m worried that if I tell my boss the real reason we’re going, it will impact my work’s perception of me and my dedication. (I could not keep my current job if we moved.) And especially since we don’t feel sold on the move, I’d hate to risk my reputation for nothing. Yeah, definitely don’t tell them that you’re going on a trip to decide whether you’ll be moving or not. That’s going to make them instantly concerned that you’re on the verge of leaving your still-very-new job. That doesn’t leave you with many good choices, considering the constraints you mentioned (plus being so new makes it harder to take sudden vacation time anyway). Given that, your best bet is probably some version of illness or a family emergency (the latter is sort of accurate, actually). If you go with illness, you don’t need to claim to be violently ill to get out of working from home; you can simply say, “I’m sick enough that I don’t expect to be logging on.” You may also like:is it okay for my employees to say they're "just not cut out for public speaking"?my coworkers scoff and roll their eyes when I question decisions in meetingshow do I draw the line on political conversations at work? { 459 comments }
what’s up with this rude and entitled networker? by Alison Green on February 9, 2023 A reader writes: A friend of mine works in community development and occasionally comes across young people who she thinks would do well to learn more about my field. She recently asked permission to put me in touch with a college sophomore. Mine is a high paying, prestigious, and extremely interesting field that most college students wouldn’t know about unless someone pointed them in that direction. It’s my second career; I’ve been in the field over 10 years and have worked my way fairly high up the ladder. Friend’s mentee reached out to me via text (I’m fine with texting) and the conversation went like this: Him: Hi [name misspelled], I’m interested in your career. Here’s my number. Hope to hear from you soon. Me: Hello, my name is actually [corrected]. What questions do you have? How can I help? Him: I’d like an internship that would allow me to do [main thing my organization does]. Do you have anything like that? Me: Yes! We have recently started offering paid internships. Here’s the link to the internships and fellowships page of our website. Him: Ok, cool. But do they allow you to [do the thing]? Me: I recommend you check out the link Him: [cry laughing emoji] lol ok. Reading is fundamental! He disappeared for eight months and texted me again last week. Him: Hi [once again misspells my easy, traditionally spelled name]. I’m still interested in internships and would like to talk more about what I can do for summer 2024. Me: [Corrects him on my name again.] The link I sent last year is still active. Recommend checking out available opportunities there. Let me know if you have specific questions. And then he disappeared again. I am irrationally put off by this exchange. Is this the norm now? I don’t mean to be all “kids these days,” but good grief. When I was in college 20 years ago (!), if my mentor had put me in touch with an executive in my desired field (and they did sometimes), it went nothing like this! Even a decade ago in my first career, students and candidates seemed to have it together. This guy wants something from me, but expects me to call him? He doesn’t have time to check a link with literally the exact info he requested, but thinks it’s a good use of my time to just give him an overview up-front? Emojis didn’t exist in my day, but there certainly wouldn’t have been any un-businesslike language in my communication. Continuing to address someone by the wrong name after you’ve been corrected? Are these things no longer common sense? Is it that students are so accustomed to the educational environment in which every adult they come across exists to support them in some way (so they assume random busy professionals should be at their beck and call?) I want very much to see my field become more diverse, and I’ve read that that may mean allowing grace for candidates with a bit less polish due to lack of exposure to professional norms (though I’m not sure I’m comfortable with the general premise that minorities and low-income folks necessarily have no idea how to behave in white collar environments). I told my friend that I’m happy to have her keep referring mentees to me, but that she should ensure that they know the basics of business communication, job-seeking behavior (do a little research up front, ask good questions, etc.), and general good manners (respect people’s time, address them correctly and professionally) before reaching out to me or anyone. I mean, she’s my friend so I didn’t choose to let it reflect poorly on her. But for someone else, it certainly could have. I suspect I am off-base in some way, so I’d be happy to know what I should be doing/thinking differently. You’re not off-base that this guy’s messages were Not Good … but I do think you’re off-base that it’s something new! I’ve been getting messages like this from (and letters about) students/early-career folks for years now. To be clear, most students/early-career folks don’t send messages like this! It’s a very small portion of them. But there have always been people (often but not exclusively in the student era of their lives) who cavalierly request favors of strangers while simultaneously putting in no effort themselves to find information or narrow down for you what might be helpful and who expect an excessive level of hand-holding, all while providing no indication that they realize they’re asking a favor. (In fact, here are some letters about it from a decade ago.) I do think you might be overreacting a little to the emoji. It’s true that I’d advise people on the student’s end of this exchange not to include them because it’s too casual, but on your end of things I’d say not to get hung up on that. And I bet it wouldn’t have landed the same way with you if the rest of his communications had been professional. But otherwise, yeah, he’s coming across as if he wants you to do the basic groundwork for him and spend your time guiding him through info he could easily read without your help. You’re not obligated to spend your time with people who take this approach, even when a mutual contact connected you — it’s fine to handle it exactly the way you did. And passing along feedback to your friend was smart, since she’s in a better position to set these contacts up for success than you are, and she’s the one suggesting they ask you for the favor. I do think it’s true that when you’re trying to open the door to your profession a little wider and especially when you’re dealing with young people, it makes sense to extend grace where you can — not everyone comes from situations where they’d have the chance to pick up professional norms from their families. But you didn’t shut this guy down; you told him where to find more information and offered to answer more questions, and you tipped off your mutual contact that he could use some coaching. Then he disappeared when you prompted him for specific questions! You’re not required to chase him down after that. He’s not very good at this (yet — hopefully he’ll figure it out), but don’t read anything more into it than that — he’s not representing his whole generation. He’s just one person, and versions of him have always been around (and probably always will be). 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my employee missed work after a night of drinking by Alison Green on February 9, 2023 A reader writes: An employee I manage called out today due to being hospitalized over the weekend for alcohol poisoning. They went out to celebrate their birthday over the weekend and overdid it on the partying. I realize this is out of work conduct; however, it is affecting the employee’s job because they couldn’t come to work. Do I have a leg to stand on if I have a serious conversation with the employee about their judgment and how this type of behavior could negatively affect their employment with our company? I answer this question — and three others — over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here. Other questions I’m answering there today include: Founder regularly threatens to quit our start-up What should I do when I notice a coworker’s fly is down? I accidentally reinforced a job candidates’ mistakes You may also like:can I tell interviewers my hobby is drinking, going from scruffy to polished at work, and moremy boss is annoyed that I stayed out late drinking during a three-day work eventdo employers really look down on drinking and partying? { 186 comments }
office coffee wars: share your stories by Alison Green on February 9, 2023 One of my favorite “ask the readers” posts ever was one five years ago about office coffee wars (or tea/milk/etc. wars). It produced some amazing stories, including these: “LastJob had a coffee club. I was not a member. There was one coffee maker. There were coffee wars over caffeinated vs. decaf coffee. Regular coffee vs. flavored coffee. Regular caffeinated vs. flavored decaf. This was slightly mitigated when the company expanded to another floor of the building and we gained a second break room and a second coffee maker. One floor’s coffee maker was designated for decaf only, and the other for caffeinated. The flavored vs. regular battle waged on. Two employees ended up getting disciplined (separately) for spending too much time each day ‘making coffee.’ They were in the kitchen for hours, cleaning the carafe, waiting for coffee to brew, organizing the containers of coffee, walking around polling people about what flavor of coffee to try next.” * * * * * “My company provides coffee machines on every floor but charges 20 cents per cup (except for ‘meeting coffee’ which is free). There are lists. People on every floor whose responsibility it is to refill coffee, sugar, and milk. Deputy people for this job. Monthly bills. Cash boxes on every floor where you are supposed to pay your bill. People who manage the cash boxes. Somebody in housekeeping whose responsibility is to manage cash logistics. Some other person in sales who hands out coffee, sugar, and milk (but needs a receipt for everything). Probably substitutes for these people too, I don’t know – you get the idea. At some time someone made an official ‘proposal for improvement’ to eliminate the charge for coffee, the lists, the cash boxes and the whole system. Have a single person whose job it is to refill the coffee machines daily and be done with it. There was a short calculation how much time and effort could be saved. (A lot.) That proposal has gone through the improvements committee (yes, that’s a thing), the sales people, the union, the CEO and back to the improvements committee. It is still under consideration after 18 months.” * * * * * “Ok so there is this guy at my work who is a contractor, he develops this particular bespoke computer system that my organisation uses. He is kind of an asshole, doesn’t come to team meetings, doesn’t really consider himself one of us. For the past couple of years he has planted his personal espresso machine in the shared kitchen. With its own coffee grinder and shit. He also brings his own milk in (the organisation provides milk). But he gets very angry if someone uses his gear. Once someone used his milk and he hung the bottle in a noose from a shelf with a big sign DO NOT USE THIS MILK. Anywho one day he really lets rip at a new guy who used his coffee machine, really balls him out in front of everyone. He puts up a sign saying THIS EXPRESSO (sic) MACHINE IS A PRIVATE APPLIANGE, DO NOT USE. This really pisses me off. So I bring in my own espresso machine from home and plonk it on the counter next to his with a big sign YOU ARE MOST WELCOME TO USE THIS ESPRESSO MACHINE. I even provided some coffee. People use it and leave a donation and I buy more coffee, it’s a great system. So he puts up a little hand written note on his sign THE OWNER JUST WANTS HIS WISHES TO BE RESPECTED AND FOR PERMISSION TO BE ASKED BEFORE USING THIS MACHINE. Haha, what a baby.” It’s been five years, so I’m putting out a new call for more of these. In the comment section, please share your stories about office coffee wars that have you have participated in or witnessed. Water club and tea war stories are also welcome. You may also like:our admins hate all the coffee I buy the office, but they insist I have to keep tryingmy coworker's obsession with coffee is an all-day distractionafter I asked for a raise, my boss told me I buy too much coffee { 947 comments }
coworker misinterprets all my facial expressions, team is complaining about a coworker’s award, and more by Alison Green on February 9, 2023 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. My coworker misinterprets all my facial expressions Do you have any advice on how to keep your facial expressions completely neutral without looking/sounding robotic? I am a woman with a low tone voice and also am fairly quiet when I speak, so many people tell me I have a calm demeanor. I sometimes use my hands when I talk (I’m working on not doing that), but even when I am sitting still, my facial expressions apparently show all of my emotions. I have a coworker who is very sensitive to other people’s tones and facial expressions, so I have tried to make myself appear as neutral as possible when I speak to them. However, they often misinterpret what seem to be very small things — for example, they accused me of sneering when I was leaning in and squinting slightly to read a document with tiny text. I suffer from TMJ and sometimes will have facial twitches (that I cannot control). I am doing my best to keep my face neutral, but any tips you (or readers) can give me are appreciated. I want to be engaged with this person so I don’t want to be robotic — but every eye widening/smile/non-smile/facial twitch seems to provoke a negative reaction from them. I’m sure they already interpret every tone of my voice to mean something, so I’m already working on that and keeping my hands still. I just need my face to cooperate so everything is calm/neutral but natural. If this is only an issue with this one person, it’s an issue with them, not you. You should not have to keep your face and hands unnaturally still simply because they misinterpret things in the worst possible light. You are giving them too much power! You cannot become perfectly neutral and motionless at all times and, what’s more, you should not. If you muzzle your face’s natural movement in order to please them, who’s to say you won’t encounter other people who now think you’re chilly because your face isn’t displaying any normal human emotions? Rather than contorting your own normal responses to accommodate this person, I think you’d be better off figuring out how to respond when they accuse you of sneering or other things you’re not doing. For example: “No, I am not sneering, I am squinting to read tiny text. If you need to know what I am thinking, please ask me rather than assuming, since you are often misinterpreting me.” Read an update to this letter. 2. My team is complaining about a coworker’s award My company gives out an award monthly to someone who exemplifies our company values and does something above and beyond. I nominated one of my staff (let’s call him Bob) after he did a wonderfully kind thing for one of our clients. I didn’t even know he had done it until we received an email from the client’s family thanking us. I nominated Bob because what he did was so touching it brought me to tears. I was so excited when I found out he was chosen to win. Ever since we surprised Bob at a staff meeting with the news, his colleagues have been complaining because they feel they are more deserving of the award. They have complained to me, my boss, and each other. I have been left feeling guilty and almost as if I have to apologize! Every single one of these staff are successful at their jobs. I make sure I always pass along any positive feedback that we receive, and I regularly tell them how much I appreciate and value them. I provide gift cards in small denominations in conjunction with sharing positive feedback. When they are complaining about this award to me or my boss, we listen and then ask them what they have done that’s truly exceptional so that we can nominate them too. Not one of them has been able to give us an example beyond simply doing their jobs successfully. What would you do in this situation? Am I wrong to be feeling miffed and a little disheartened at their reaction? I did not expect this kind of reaction from our team and don’t know how to react to their complaints. “The award is for people who go above and beyond and do something exceptional. If that is you, wonderful! I absolutely want to hear about it and would consider you for the award too. Here’s how you can submit that sort of info to me.” That said … it sounds like you’ve already said something similar? All you can really do is keep saying it. I don’t think you’re wrong to be disheartened by it, but take it as a flag to look more closely at the dynamics on your team. Do people feel there’s unfairness in how recognition, financial rewards, or high-profile projects are allocated? Is there something about the structure of your team that encourages people to feel competitive or even pitted against each other? Could the issue be something with Bob himself? (For example, if he’s difficult to work with, that might be driving the reaction.) You also might ask one of the employees this has come up with — pick the person with the best judgment or sharpest insights and see what they think. 3. Using a SAD lamp at work I recently started a new job (and successfully negotiated salary based on your column — thank you!) that requires me to be in the office. After working entirely remote since March 2020, I’m finding the transition to in-person work to be hugely challenging. This time of year is also when my depression is at its worst. While working from home, I found that using a SAD lamp for an hour or so during my work day was a big help. I haven’t been using it this winter because I’m in the office, but I can really feel the difference from not using it. Would it appear unprofessional to use a SAD lamp at my desk? For context, it’s about four inches by eight inches and wouldn’t be a distraction for anyone else, but I am in a cubicle close to the kitchen, so it’s a relatively high traffic zone. I’d also love to use it without making it a whole to-do in terms of accommodations, disclosing my depression, etc. Not unprofessional at all. Use your lamp! If anyone asks about it, you can say, “I’ve found the light really helps my energy at this time of year.” 4. Returning to work after a death in the family My father died suddenly earlier this month. While I was away, I set up an out-of-office message with instructions about where to direct emails and other business. That message didn’t specify the reason — it just said that I was offline unexpectedly with an undetermined return date, which is line with previous guidance from my manager not to specify “family emergency” or anything similar — but it was quite detailed about alternate points of contact. Returning to work after a two-week absence, I can see that a lot of people did not follow my instructions, and they are now annoyed at me over missed deadlines large and small. I’ve been responding to people with a pleasant tone noting that I was out and I will now get to work on things as soon as I can since it wasn’t forwarded to others in the interim. Well. Apparently, this is a bridge too far for some people — many of whom have been quite huffy about it — and the only way to assuage them seems to be using the words “family emergency.” But that opens up another can of worms (even aside from my manager’s instructions not to use the phrase): immediately, the response I tend to get is “I hope everything’s okay!” And, well — no, it’s not. My dad just died. But saying that will inevitably lead to a sympathy message — maybe several, depending how many people are copied on a given email chain. And, frankly, I’m exhausted of sympathy. I have at this point responded dutifully and kindly to hundreds of expressions of sympathy: Facebook comments, physical cards, multiple hours in-person at his viewing, emails from friends, phone calls, and on and on. I am tired. I want to focus the energy I do have on my work, without judgment and harsh words about delays or flowery expressions of sympathy, and not have to think about the past few weeks for the time I’m in front of my work computer. I have several “breezy reply” templates to use — basically, “Thanks for your sympathy / condolences. I’m managing okay, and it’s good to have some work to focus on” — but even these will get old quickly. And, of course, sometimes I just can’t focus, despite wanting desperately to do so. This is all impossible to explain to people whose deadlines we have blown past because they didn’t forward to the alternate points of contact, or to other colleagues who wish me well but whose messages I just find exhausting right now. Other than seeing a therapist (which I do), what advice do you have for navigating this gracefully and professionally? I wonder if your boss just meant not to put “family emergency” in your out-of-office while you were away (a little weird, but okay). But if she also meant not to say it when talking with people now, that’s making this harder than it needs to be — so you could say to her, “Can I ask about your request not to say I was out for a family emergency or explain that my dad died? It’s making it harder to respond to people who are upset about their work not being done while I was out and I’d like to let them know the circumstances.” But also, when you get the “I hope everything’s okay” response, it’s okay to just … ignore that. You’re feeling like you have to respond in some way, and you don’t. They’ve said the polite thing, and you can just move forward with whatever business needs to be dealt with. Something similar is true of sympathy/condolence messages — you can just say “thank you” and don’t need to get into “I’m managing okay, and it’s good to have some work to focus on” or anything else. Just “thank you” or “thanks, I appreciate it” on auto-play so it takes as little energy from you as possible. (In some cases you could skip even that if you can instead easily move straight into the work topic at hand). I’m sorry about your dad. 5. Verb tense on resumes Where did this trend of using third-person verb endings in one’s resume come from? I see so many resumes that say things like “answers questions about products” or “manages staff of seven in busy restaurant” and, while I know it’s minor in the grand system of resume sins, it drives me nuts. I’ve been telling folks to think of the bullet points as starting with an unstated “I,” in which case “I answers questions” only agrees in subject and verb if the writer is Dobby the House Elf. Where are people getting this – did I completely miss the memo announcing this change in convention, or is it as weird as I think it is? I think people have copied it from job descriptions, a lot of which are written in the third person (“answers questions,” etc.). It looks a little unsophisticated on a resume, but it also doesn’t really matter in the scheme of things. (Although I agree that if you’re helping someone write a resume, you should have them put it in first person without the “I” — “answer questions,” etc.) What bothers me more is when resumes use gerunds in the blurbs about each job — “answering questions,” “managing staff,” etc. There’s no real reason for any of this, other than convention. But the conventions are what they are, and a resume will flow more smoothly if it’s written in the way that people who get stuck reading hundreds of them are used to seeing. 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