update: my coworker refuses to wear a mask

Remember the letter-writer whose coworker refused to wear a mask, despite the company mask policy? The first update was here, and here’s the latest.

I wrote to you last year about a non-masking coworker, and wanted to provide a second happy update, if I may. First, I wanted to say thank you for publishing my question, for your advice, and for the encouragement from the commenters. The AAM community is a great one!

Many comments expressed a sentiment something like this: “Why on earth is OP’s company allowing this behavior for so long? What kind of place is this?” Yeah. I’m with you! As one might have guessed, the non-masking dysfunctional coworker and the slow response from HR was a symptom of the larger dysfunction at my company. I truly loved that industry and the clients, and I’d become friends with a couple colleagues, but the dysfunction and stress were taking too high a toll. I am happy to say I started a new job a couple months ago!

Bob wasn’t the reason I decided to leave, but leaving all that behind was certainly a value add! Bob always had a big streak of dysfunction that made my work life difficult. The mask thing was in no way my first or last conflict with him; it was just the only issue that I brought to HR. Regular sexist comments despite my attempts to shut it down, spreading rumors about me, and extreme offense at anything and nothing were all the norm with Bob. He was at times downright hostile, personally attacking people with uncalled for comments at even the slightest perceived issue. For me, the kicker (other than the mask incident) was after I put in my notice — he asked for my home address and personal email address so he could stay in contact and send me a goodbye present (which he has done for at least one other departing staff that I know of — who notably was also a young woman my age). I definitely did not feel comfortable giving out my personal info to him. He was highly offended and frustrated (sent me long emails…) when I wouldn’t and he asked again. When I firmly said no again via email, he sent me a pouting face emoji. That was right before I clocked out on my last day. Bye, Bob.

I had also started having panic attacks (brand new for me) at work. Cue a few Covid scares where I became quite ill, but I later realized it was all stress manifesting as illness, also a first for me. (Oh, I was pressured by management to work at home while sick and not take any sick time, even once when I had a false positive Covid test — which I didn’t know was false yet — and felt very ill. Seeing Alison advocating for managers to encourage their employees to take time off if they have Covid was eye-opening. I’d forgotten how toxic my job was.) Probably unsurprisingly, the last time I had a panic attack was my last day of work there.

I was very honest and matter of fact about what I’d experienced in my exit interview. At my new job, things of course aren’t perfect, but it’s wildly better. I am still recovering from the burnout and all the rest of it, but most days I actually like my job. Plus, I work with wonderful people.

I’ve identified a few things at my new company that have made a HUGE difference for me: (1) There aren’t people here who make me worry for my safety (people follow CDC guidelines AND they don’t sexually harass me. Having routine sexual harrasement training and other training on how to have respectful coworker interactions have probably have helped. At least then no one has the excuse of not knowing professional norms (the excuse everyone gave Bob — and no, Old Company did not ever do harassment training). (2) Leadership has listened to the workload concerns on my team and are actively looking for solutions and hiring. (3) Overtime hours are allowed during exceptionally busy times and they pay you for the extra hours without complaint or resentment. My boss actually wrote me a thank you note after the crazy week when I worked overtime. While I didn’t expect or need to be thanked, it felt great!

Your blog has given me the courage I needed time and time again to stand up for myself at work.

I can’t escape Halloween Town

A reader writes:

I live in a small city which doesn’t have many employment opportunities. The city has a high unemployment rate, and it’s rare to find work that isn’t in shops, farming, etc. Six years ago, the city council launched a project to fund start-up business ideas for marginalized individuals, including those with disabilities.

One of these ideas has become extremely successful. It’s essentially four neurodivergent eccentrics who live every day like it’s Halloween. They are commissioned by various organizations around the state to create bespoke services and goods. They’ve attracted something of a following with projects coming in all year in preparation for October. Jobs include making props for a small amusement park, making decor for a children’s hospital, local authorities hiring them to run haunted houses, etc. Because it has council funding, the start-up needs a couple of additional employees for administration. I accepted one of these admin roles as there are so few office-based jobs in the area.

I have worked there for two years and I feel like I’m in some sort of alternative reality. The office is filled with robotics, costumes, and prop projects. I’ve kept my complaints to what I thought was minimal, but the number of official logged complaints about the four people is in double digits. As an example, one was about a ruined handbag that had been seized as a prop and filled with jelly and rubber eyeballs. The other admin worker isn’t helpful — he has multiple Halloween-themed tattoos and named his kids in obvious tribute (think names like Casper, Salem etc.).

The entire city sees the team as underdog heroes and they really are involved in worthwhile projects. I appreciate that they probably have been excluded through their lives and have finally found an opportunity to form a community and work in a field they love. But my nerves are in shreds with the constant screams and cackles emitted from every corner of a small office. The latest is a wildlife charity wanting to put nesting boxes for actual BATS! in the office. They’re paying for it as a promotional/marketing service, with the resident ghouls blogging about and videoing the bats. Am I nuts, or is this completely bizarre?

After I submitted a complaint about the plans to move bats in, the local newspaper ran a massive double spread about the Halloween grinch trying to destroy this deeply loved community enterprise. They took the stance that I am some stuffy busybody ruining disabled people’s opportunities to shine and create joy and community spirit. I wasn’t named in the article but it was obvious to locals who the villain was.

Quitting means I’d be signing up for many years in a manual or service job in a city where everyone hates me. My son is counting down the days until he can legally change his name so he won’t be recognized. I had minor surgery last year and the week off felt like the first time in two years I could breathe.

As I’m writing this to you, my coworkers are bellowing out lines from films at each other repetitively, then identifying them. Here’s a sample:

A : What an excellent day for an exorcism!
J: The Exorcist, 1973!

T: Listen to them, children of the night!
J : Dracula, 1931!

Help!

Whoa, okay.

The problem is not the people running this organization. The problem is not the culture of this organization, or the bats or the rubber eyeballs.

The problem is that you’re working for an organization that you hate and hoping that it will change in fundamental ways, when those fundamental ways are core to the work they do.

You don’t need to like Halloween or creepy things or scary movie references or bats … but you are working for an organization whose whole mission is about those things.

Fighting against that is like taking a job at a race track and complaining that you smell motor oil all the time, or taking a job at a nightclub and trying to get them to play less music.

This is the work they do.

It’s not surprising that there are people in the office who are really, really into the work they do! That makes sense. It’s a niche business, started by people with a niche interest, attracting people who share that niche interest.

Lots of people would think this is awesome. You don’t — and that’s your prerogative, but you’ve got to be realistic about what you signed on for.

I’m sympathetic that you don’t have a ton of other job options in your area, but it’s not reasonable to take a job working for a company that does X and then be upset that they’re doing X.

I think you’ve got to decide whether you can stay where you are reasonably happily or whether it’s too much for you and you need to leave. There’s no middle ground option of “stay but hate it and try to make them be different.”

What would you be doing for work if this organization didn’t exist? Whatever that answer is, it might be what you need to do now.

employee stole a coworker’s food delivery, drinking non-alcoholic beer at work, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Can I teach my employee critical thinking?

One of my direct reports, “Phoebe,” who is just out of school, has a great attitude about the work we do. However, she has zero ability to problem solve on her own. Every time something is not exactly right, she comes to me or another manager for help. I’ve tried asking “what do you think the next steps should be” and other forms of redirection. I’ve tried showing her how I’d handle a particular situation, but when a very similar issue comes up later, she isn’t connecting them. Her constant questioning when she searches for clarity and her nervous energy is noticeable — I’ve had two other managers and three clients mention it to me.

I want to help her progress, both for her own growth and also because I can’t keep doing 75% of her job in addition to mine. This past week I asked her to retrieve an item from the supply closet. She messaged me three times about where in the closet the item was — eventually I just went with her and it was exactly where I’d said. Another time, I asked her to order 200 markers. She called me because the supply store didn’t have boxes of 200 markers. They only had boxes of 50. It did not occur to her to buy four boxes of 50 markers.

All of her executive functioning skills need work and as a manager I’m clueless as how to help her get to where she needs to be. I do not want to coach her out of this role, because she has such a great attitude and honestly I’m worried that she’d be crushed out there in the big bad world.

You can’t keep someone just because you’re worried they’d be crushed in the big bad world. You can’t keep someone just because they have have a great attitude either, if they’re missing fundamental skills needed to do their job — particularly if that means you end up doing 75% of their job. Is your employer really okay with paying her to do 25% of her role (while your own work presumably suffers)? I’m guessing no. What about the impact on other employees who are likely to resent the situation more and more over time?

Her great attitude does mean that you might devote extra time to coaching and training her … but critical thinking is generally impossible to teach in the amount of time a manager reasonably has available to coach someone. Ultimately if she can’t do such basic chunks of the job, it’s not the right match for her, and you’re doing her no favors by keeping her in a job where she can’t thrive or advance.

All that said, the one thing I’d try if you haven’t already is naming the issue very explicitly. If you haven’t yet done this, it’s worth clearly telling her that you need her to problem-solve on her own (ground it in specific recent examples and describe how you would have liked her to handle those situation differently) and what she should try before coming to you for help. But given the details you’ve shared, it sounds likely that this just isn’t the right match.

2. Employee stole coworker’s food delivery

A DoorDash order arrived at our office today. The name listed on it did not belong to anyone we know, but the instructions were specific enough that we knew it had to be for someone in our department. We tried calling the number listed, with no response. After an all-call of “Hey! Did anyone order a cookie?” an employee came up to claim it.

About half an hour later, another employee’s husband called to ask if she received her cookie. All the pieces started falling into place, and we realized that the employee who claimed the cookie should not have. How do we address this? I do not want to outright say, “You stole that cookie,” but I do believe that the issue needs to be brought up, and the employee needs to reimburse the cost of the cookie and delivery. But can I “force” someone to do that?

Sure — but first make sure that’s really what happened. It’s possible that that she had ordered her own cookie delivery and thought this one was hers (and then presumably figured it out when hers arrived, but she could have assumed that was an error on the delivery service’s side, especially since no one else had claimed the first one). So talk to her and ask what happened! If she’s like “yeah, no one was claiming it and I really wanted a cookie,” then tell her it wasn’t hers and she should reimburse the colleague whose cookie she seized.

If it was an honest misunderstanding and she thought it was hers, that’s different and you can leave it up to her own judgment whether she reimburses the coworker. Most polite people in her shoes would, but it’s also true that the other person’s husband created this chaos by not including clearer instructions (like his wife’s name!) or alerting her to expect a delivery.

3. New hire is leaving because of a coworker

We have a new employee (been here right at 30 days) leaving to go back to school. But her main basis for her decision was “I can’t work with someone who is always negative and hateful. And not welcoming.” How do I handle this with the employee who is still here?

Is she referring to the other employee? If so, you’ve got to get more information — a lot more information! If she hasn’t left yet, please ask her about her experience and get details, then figure out if it lines up with what you know of the other employee. Talk to the other employee, too, and get her perspective on what happened. If you’re not sure how to sort through everything you hear, consider talking with others who work with this person and getting their input on what she’s like to work with (since as her manager you might see a different side than they do). This isn’t a court of law and you might not come away with rock-solid conclusions, but do what you can to get a sense of what that new hire’s experience was like and why. And then if you determine the problem lies with your other employee, even partly, you’ve got to address that. Sometimes that sort of thing can be resolved through coaching, and sometimes it can’t — but this should start a conversation about what’s going on.

If the new hire wasn’t talking about the new employee — if she was talking about you or someone else — that’ll change the details of how you proceed. But either way, you’ve got to take the feedback seriously (unless you have strong evidence the new hire’s judgment was way, way off), assume you’ve got a problem on your hands, and figure out how to resolve it … both for the next person and for others still there.

4. Drinking alcohol-free beer at work

I work in a safety-critical industry where drinking on duty is absolutely not allowed (and with regular drug tests). That being said, your thoughts on drinking alcohol-free beer during the working day?

My thoughts are: Why?! There are much better things to drink.

Plus you risk people thinking you’re drinking actual beer since they look similar. You can explain if asked, of course, but why deal with that?

5. My boss can see my personal Google calendar

I made a mistake in my enthusiasm for my current job back when I started and used my personal (but professional sounding) gmail calendar for work. My company has company domain email addresses for us, but we all use our personal google calendars for company appointments and tasks. Because my boss has edit permissions on my calendar, they can see everything, even if I mark it as private. (For clarity: I have a separate actual personal gmail and calendar with a more casual name that is where most of my life resides.)

I’m job hunting furiously and finally got an interview but realized in a panic that accepting the calendar invite put it right where my current boss can see it! I deleted it immediately, then realized it looked like I had declined the invite to the other party. I followed up in email, citing technical issues with google calendar, and assuring them I was looking forward to our call. But now I realize this is going to happen repeatedly. I can’t just change which email I’m job hunting with, nor can I switch the one connected to my company calendar without drawing attention. If they’re thinking about this at all, my boss would assume I’m job hunting, but I don’t want to poke the bear. Do I just confirm via email but not accept the actual invite? Any ideas or perspective on how this looks from the hiring side?

Your boss isn’t going to assume you’re job hunting just because you decide to stop using your personal gmail calendar for work. Set up a new calendar account, switch your work stuff over to it, revoke your boss’s permissions for the old one, and explain it was getting too messy to have personal and work stuff in one place so you’re streamlining. There are tons of reasons for that besides job hunting — private medical appointments, for example, or just a general feeling that your office shouldn’t have such visibility into your non-work life.

Alternately you could start using your other gmail account — the one where the rest of your life resides — for job hunting stuff, but it sounds like it might have a more casual name than you want for job hunting, and regardless you presumably have a bunch of applications out there with the other email on them … although you could change it going forward if you want to.

the flasher, the scathing tirade, and other stories of magnificent rage-quits

The recent post revisiting the employee who quit by spelling out “I QUIT” in fish inspired me to round up some more epic quitting stories that have been shared here over the years. Here are 10 more good ones.

1. The flasher

“I was hired by a daycare to run their two classroom state-funded Head Start program. I had recently left a job at the local early childhood development program, so I was familiar with it. On my first day, I was told I could just review their set-up, meet with the teachers/kids, and review their paperwork. It was not good. I saw many mistakes that would need to be fixed and all the kids that had been enrolled were missing required paperwork and they were mixing funds and supplies with the regular daycare so it was a mess.

Anyway, at about 2 the owner told me she needed to run errands and since someone had called out, I needed to ‘run the front desk.’ I told her I didn’t think I could do that and she was very short with me and said all I needed to do was buzz parents in. Of course it all went to hell as soon as she pulled out of the parking lot. Parents who had lost custody and weren’t supposed to show up, parents who wanted to pay in advance, phone ringing off the hook, sick kids whose parent wouldn’t come get them.

I guess another employee who had her cell called her and she came skidding into the parking lot about 3:30. Once everything was settled, I was called into the office and thoroughly griped at. When she finally stopped, I basically said, ‘Yeah, this isn’t for me. This was my first day and you left me alone to handle all this, your Head Start program isn’t properly set up and it’s going to take someone weeks to fix it but it won’t be me because I quit.’ She started to blow up and I said ‘Bye’ and turned to leave. She said, ‘I’m going to need that shirt back’ (all employees were required to wear a red polo with the daycare name embroidered). I took it off, tossed it on her desk and walked out in just my bra. A couple of parents in the parking lot were shocked to see a shirtless person walking out of the daycare.

I still don’t regret it.”

2. The F-you

“I worked at a law firm where almost every single legal assistant rage quit. It was really fascinating. It was a complete toxic dump. The attorneys were horrible, the HR director had no spine. It was totally common for the entry level assistants to just burst into tears and go into HR’s office and tell them they were leaving, but we had one woman who did the whole stalk out in the middle of the day saying ‘F*** you’ to everyone she passed. She was considered a hero among us all. I was younger then and I left a note on HR’s desk and left one Friday and never came back.”

3. The tirade

“The best rage quit I ever witnessed: we had a weekly all-hands staff meeting with mandatory attendance. If you were on the road you were required to dial in. ‘Mike’ called in, and when it was his turn to speak he delivered a scathing tirade that was the stuff of quitting fantasies — absolutely A+ stuff. The big boss was so stunned he couldn’t respond at first… but then he pulled it together and hung up on Mike. But Mike was a step ahead — he’d dialed in on TWO lines, so he was STILL on the call, and got another couple of killer lines in before he got disconnected for good! Mike was a company hero for months after that.”

4. More fish

“I have another ‘resigned in fish’ story! The terrifying paralegal at Exjob brought a large side of raw salmon into the office, stashed it in her top desk drawer, and then crazy glued the lock. She then locked her office and crazy glued THAT lock. The hazmat teams were called by day 8. She was never pursued for this because she was … terrifying.”

5. The house fire

“I worked for a phone survey group for, like, an hour. Then I looked at my phone, made a dramatically concerned face, told my supervisor I’d just gotten a text that my house was on fire, and left, never to return.

(Eight months later, they sent me a W2 for my one hour, bless them.)”

6. The correction

“At a ridiculously toxic job, the VP was the worst person there, even by their standards. She demanded an absurd, Panopticon-level of surveillance in the CS department, played favorites and played people off each other, told us not to discuss our pay with each other (illegal), and tried to get an employee fired for being an out gay woman (illegal).

She also had the habit of shaming people in company-wide email and couldn’t write to save her life. Some people don’t have great grammar and would be well served by an assistant drafting emails, but this woman’s emails were so poorly written they were inscrutable.

So towards the end of the day, after a brief but unhinged full company email that used ‘your’ for ‘you’re,’ a hero in the claims department replied all with just, ‘ *you’re.’ 10 minutes later, he popped in to the customer service department to tell us he had gotten what he wanted (being fired) and asked if anyone wanted his stapler.”

7. The wrench

“Possibly an apocryphal one here, but when I worked on the oil rigs there was this story:

The background is that on an oil rig you drill using 30 feet sections of pipe, which you screw together and then insert down a hollow steel tube (we drilled at sea). When you drill down 12,000 feet, thats a lot of pipe. So when the drill bit on the end wears out it’s a long job. So one time they had pulled all the pipe out of the hole and were changing the drill bit when one of the blokes accidentally kicks one of the big steel wrenches across the drill floor and plop! it goes down the tube and sinks through the drilling mud all the way down – 12,000 feet. So they have to put a tool on the end of the pipe to catch/hook the wrench and put all the pipe back down and back up again. After three unsuccessful attempts they finally get the mangled bit of metal out onto the drill floor. This has taken a week and rigs cost about a million dollars a day to run.

So the “Company Man,” as the big boss is called, stomps over to the roughneck who kicked the wrench and unloads a torrent of swearing and abuse telling him to grab his stuff, he’s ‘run off,’ i.e. he’s on the next helicopter off the rig and he’s sacked and will never work for this company again. The guy stares him in the face saying nothing, then walks over to the mangled wrench and drops it back down the hole.”

8. The cough drops

“I had an employee run out to her car “for cough drops” on her first day, about two hours in and never return. I hadn’t even assigned any work yet, just gave her a manual to flip through.”

9. The long goodbye

“I don’t have a rage-quit story, but I have an awesome story of how someone left after being fired.

They did it at 3 pm on a Thursday … I have no idea why they didn’t wait until the end of the day.

As she left the conference room, she loudly yelled, ‘I JUST GOT FIRED!’ Cue everyone popping up out of their chairs like meerkats to see who it was (it was a cubicle farm, so no privacy at all). She walked towards her desk to grab her personal belongings, but on the way she stopped by each cubicle… ‘Did you hear, I was just fired!’ ‘Lovely working with you, won’t see you again because I’ve been fired.’

Her manager was trailing along behind her with his mouth just hanging open and eyes wide. He had NO idea what to do. HR ran off, I think to get someone else higher up to help. But I never saw them come back.

People were laughing and cheering for her. It was talked about forever. Randomly someone would say ‘I’m fired!’ from behind their cubicle wall and everyone would laugh.

She took about 30 minutes to gather her things, say goodbye to everyone, then finally leave. It was spectacular.”

10. The misunderstanding

“This isn’t quite a rage quit, but it’s close enough and a good story.

My brother-in-law was a manager of a fast food restaurant. He came in early one morning to find the place had been emptied out. All the tables and chairs, the food, the glassware, everything. The owners had decided to close the restaurant and move it to another town and ghosted both him and the employees. And it was payday!

He called the owners and got machines, then noticed they had forgotten to take the very expensive cash registers. He loaded them on his truck and took them to an undisclosed location and basically held them for ransom.

Once he did that, the owners were falling all over themselves to get in touch, claiming it was all a “misunderstanding” and checks would be mailed. He said no, the checks had better be delivered here, by noon, and I am going to drive everyone to the bank to cash them before I remember where your cash registers are.

So many sleazy restaurant owners screw their employees, it’s nice to see it can backfire.”


And in case you missed it, here’s a photo of that original resignation in cod.

should I let a struggling employee work from home?

A reader writes:

One of my employee is wonderful, but struggles in her role. She also has substantial personal life responsibilities, with an ailing parent who needs substantial care. She’s recently asked me if she can start working from home one day a week to allow her to take care of her father. The problem is that our team is already stretched thin, and on days when people work from home, we tend to get about 75% productivity.

How do I make space for this employee to take care of her life, while also setting reasonable guidelines?

I answer this question — and three others — over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.

Other questions I’m answering there today include:

  • Telling an employee born on Leap Day she can’t have her birthday off
  • Can I ask my employee to save up her questions rather than interrupting me throughout the day
  • Are we all obligated to order from a kosher restaurant because of a kosher employee?

my remote coworkers refuse to chat or make social pleasantries with me

A reader writes:

I’m having an ongoing, anxiety inducing problem at work I’m hoping you can help me with:

Remote work is now the permanent state at my company, and I’m happy about that. However, when I try to ask my coworkers about their weekend, their opinion on something non-work related, or other “small talk” type stuff via MS Teams chat they very rarely respond. I understand that these types of conversations are less urgent than the work they need to get done, but I find it hurtful and honestly rude to be ignored by my colleagues and superiors. Is a bit of pleasantry an unreasonable thing to ask for? If it’s not unreasonable, how can I make it happen? It’s not just one coworker, but a larger atmosphere of standoffishness.

I wrote back to this letter-writer and asked, “Do you notice other folks chatting with each other on Teams or can you not really tell since everyone is remote? And does your team have anything like Teams channels for socializing?”

Everyone is remote, so it’s hard to tell if others chat on Teams. We do have some unit-wide social channels in Teams, but it’s very rare that anyone ever posts there and it’s definitely not the sort of thing people use for “water cooler” type discussions. Our project teams are generally just 2-3 people and tend to last about 6 months, so it’s conceivable that I could one day be on a team with some other friendly people (this has happened before), but as it stands the past year has been very isolating.

That does sound very isolating.

You’re not being unreasonable in wanting some basic pleasantries with coworkers, and it’s awfully rude for people to routinely ignore you! (That’s something that presumably wouldn’t happen if you were working in person; it’s very unlikely someone would totally blank you when you asked how their weekend was if you were standing right in front of them.) To be clear, it isn’t weird for someone to get caught up in work and not be able to respond to every social query that appears in a chat program — what’s unusual is that it sounds like it’s happening most or all of the time.

That makes me wonder if it’s always been this way since you’ve been working with this team or whether they started out friendlier. If they started out chattier and then became less so … well, how chatty were you in the beginning? If you’re a lot chattier than they are, some people will respond to that by withdrawing completely. If you were interrupting them for social stuff multiple times a day or not reading the room about how busy someone was (which is definitely harder to do when everyone is remote), that could explain how things ended up here. This wouldn’t be a great way for them to handle it, but it’s possible.

Alternately, any chance you did something that offended people? If you, say, insisted on dead-naming a colleague or taunted someone for their nut allergy, you could end up here. (I’m assuming you did not do these things. I’m just covering all the bases.)

It’s just as possible, though, that this isn’t about you at all, and instead this team just doesn’t do social talk. That’s especially possible since you said the team is only a few people; it’s easier to have that happen on a tiny team than a larger one, which would presumably have a greater variety of personalities on it.

Either way, it sounds like your team’s culture might not be a great fit for you, if everyone else just likes to do their work and not build relationships beyond that. Sometimes that happens — the work can be exactly what you want, but if the culture you’re doing it in doesn’t match you, it can be an uncomfortable fit.

However, before you conclude that, here are some things you could try:

1. Do you ever do phone or video calls with coworkers? It might be easier to form social connections when you’re talking via those methods, rather than text-based chat.

2. Can you focus on building relationships through the work itself, rather than through non-work-related stuff? For example, if you’re grappling with a work challenge, could you ask a coworker for advice? Or ask to pick someone’s brain about a project they did last year that’s similar to something you’re doing now? Sometimes people who aren’t big on talking about their weekends will happily bond over work projects (and that can lead to warmer relationships that might naturally pick up a more social component in time).

3. Can you ask your manager about what you’re noticing? You might get useful insights if you say something like, “I’m finding it hard to build relationships with people on the team. I’ve tried using Teams to ask people about their weekends or other small talk topics, and I rarely get a response. Is this team just not very social or do you think there’s another approach I should be trying?” For that matter, you could ask this of a coworker or two, too. Who knows what you’ll hear that might help you make sense of it.

Ultimately, though, this team’s culture might just not be for you. It sounds like you’ll change teams in the next six months, so there’s at least hope of something different in the next one.

my coworker is high on pain pills, mentor gets credit for my work, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My coworker is high on pain pills

I work in a lab. We have a chemical engineer on our team who is the only one who knows how to make our chemical solutions and fix certain machines. Dude’s brilliant and I like him as a person, but he has some serious problems. The one that bothers me most is his addiction to pain pills. He’s been on and off the wagon every couple months since I started, and when he’s off the wagon his behavior is worrying. One incident ended in him trying to grab my chest and saying he’d beat up my boyfriend. He backed off after an HR report, and I’ve made sure to not try to be his friend at all since then.

Over the last few days, I’ve noticed his behavior is odd, in the way it usually is when he’s using. Normally he isn’t very affectionate at all, but right now he’s giving arm slaps and side-hugs, making jokes, being really friendly, that kind of thing. Called me “his angel” for helping with testing, as is my job. He’s forgetting things he’d been told a few hours before, and is really fuzzy on communicating in general. I’m worried about the guy, but I can’t reach out or be his friend after the incident between us. I don’t want him fired, he’s kind of indispensable and honestly if not for the thing I’d call him a friend. Our manager also has a habit of not listening to personnel issues, so I worry this would all fall on deaf ears. How do I approach this? Can I even try?

Someone under the influence of pain pills working in a lab is a genuine danger. You have to speak up, for the safety of your coworker, yourself, and the rest of your colleagues.

Even many managers who generally suck at handling personnel issues would act if aware of a situation like this so unless you’ve seen your boss wave away serious safety issues in the past, it’s still worth talking to her and sharing what you know. If for some reason that doesn’t work (which would mean your manager is remarkably negligent), escalate it. Go back to HR if you have to. This is dangerous enough that “I don’t want him to get fired” can’t be a concern.

2. My mentor unintentionally gets a lot of credit for my work

I am a woman in my 20s, and I have a male coworker/mentor in his 50s. He has been extremely helpful in lending his expertise and wants to see me grow and develop in the role, for all of which I am very grateful. We work closely on many projects and I have learned a great deal from him.

Perhaps I’ll just have to learn how to deal with this, but I find myself often growing frustrated that he will get credit for projects which I have taken the lead on and have done the lion’s share of the work for, when he is just in an advisory role (or has not contributed to said project). This is no fault of his own, as he’s not actively trying to take the credit, but people seem to think of us as a pair, and assume that as the older figure he’s automatically in charge and I’m more like his assistant. I feel that many times my contributions are completely overlooked. He also comes across more confident and knowledgeable, so will sometimes cut in to answer the question briskly rather than letting me deal with it, which probably doesn’t help.

I find myself desperate to explain to other people how much work I’ve really put into a certain project, which feels very petty. I don’t know what else to do as some days I can leave work feeling very disgruntled and that as a young woman in this field, I’m never going to be taken seriously. Sometimes I feel like quitting, which I know is the wrong thing to do, because I love this job, really. Is there anything I can do, or do I just have to toughen up and ignore it?

Can you talk to your mentor about it? He might be totally unaware it’s happening and he’s well-positioned to help you counter it. I’d frame it as, “I notice that because we work together closely, people often assume projects like X or Y are yours and don’t realize I’ve done things like Z. Do you have advice on making my contributions more visible?” Depending on his answer, you could also say, “If you’re able to highlight my work when that happens, I think that would carry a lot of weight too.”

You should also try speaking up yourself. For example, when those projects are being discussed with others, make sure you’re jumping in and talking about your role, how you came up with the idea, why you took a particular approach, etc. There’s advice on how to do that here.

3. How should I talk about my abusive boss in interviews?

A couple of years ago, I had a boss who was incredibly abusive — he’d yell, throw things, swear at people, tell people they were bad at their jobs, etc. He seemed to have it out for me in particular, and often targeted me personally. It completely destroyed my life for the time that I worked for him, and I left the job about a year in with quite a bit of trauma to work through.

Recently I was asked several questions about this role in a job interview — in particular, what made it hard, why I left, etc. — and I burst into tears. The interviewers handled it graciously, but I don’t think it was the best impression.

While I like to think that I’ve mostly processed and gotten over how it felt to work for this guy, it was still a traumatic experience that I’m not fully over. I’m continuing to go to therapy for this prior experience, but in the meantime, how should I handle it when I get asked about this experience in job interviews? What should I do if (and probably when) I get emotional?

Honestly, I’d pick another reason for leaving. This one brings up too much emotion for you and makes it too likely that you’ll look/sound more upset than people are generally comfortable seeing in job interviews and risks moving the focus way off where you want it in an interview.

If it’s at all plausible to say that a better opportunity fell in your lap or you realized you wanted to do more X than Y (or anything else that doesn’t raise lots of questions about what it was like there), you’ll be a lot better served by that.

Related: should I not tell interviewers I left my last job because of bad management?

4. I’m being recruited for jobs that are way out of my league

About six months ago, I received a double promotion (woo!) and have gotten a chance to start managing projects and teams of people (whereas before I was mainly executing on those projects). This has been great, but it seems like there’s some sort of vacuum at this level and above in my industry because I’ve started getting recruiters reaching out every week. Even more strange is that these roles often seem way out of my league — for example, director level positions that list 7-10 years of project management experience. I’ve been getting so many messages that I either turn them down or send back a very blunt list of questions to see if I should consider it.

Am I right to be scared that I’d crash and burn if I trust these recruiters and try to jump up the ladder so soon, or should I go for it and maximize my earning potential?

Well … six months of management experience is not a lot, and if these are really director-level management roles I’d be very wary. Recruiters often do cast a very broad net, especially at early stages.

That said, there’s no harm in talking to those recruiters to learn more about the jobs and — crucially — what it would take to do well in them. Personally, though, I wouldn’t look at this through a lens of “should I maximize my earning potential” unless you’re comfortable with that being a very short-term gain. If you end up in a job you aren’t positioned to do well in, you could end up losing the job — or worse, struggling for years and doing real harm to your reputation. Instead I’d look at it through a lens of how likely you are to excel at the work. (I also worry that if you take a job too far above your current skill set and crash and burn, it’ll take a lot of time to get back to the type of role you just started, and that would suck because the current job sounds like a good opportunity to build the skills that could prepare you for higher level roles in time.)

But talk to some of them and learn more. And if you have a mentor you trust, get their perspective too.

5. Should my time at a conference count as work days?

If I have to attend a conference, should my time at the conference be considered my days off from the company?

If your employer asked you to attend the conference, it’s unquestionably work time.

If you’re the one who asked to go and it’s related to your job, it should generally count as work time too, assuming the company is getting some kind of benefit your attendance (even if that benefit is just your professional development). If they’re paying your travel expenses, it’s a good bet that it falls in this category.

But this isn’t always black and white. Let’s say it’s a conference that your company doesn’t see a need to send you to but you decide to attend for your own professional development or networking advantages. In some cases — depending on the exact circumstances — it’s possible that your company wouldn’t consider that work time. I’d argue that in general managers should look for ways to count it as work time unless the conference is totally irrelevant to the work you do for them … or you’re attending barely-relevant conferences every month or something … but it can vary.

what’s up with the term “work wife”?

A reader writes:

I’m wondering what your (or your readers’) thoughts are on the term “work wife.” Recently a coworker referred to me (a woman) as another (male) coworker’s work wife, and it totally bugged me out. I brushed it off at the time but internally felt VERY icky about it.

Personally, I feel like the term implies a whole bunch of things I’d rather not have associated with my name at work — office romance/flirtation, unprofessional cliquey-ness, gender-based subjugation, gender roles, heteronormativity in general … (I’m queer and don’t want to be married, which might be part of my aversion to the term — but I’m not super open about this stuff at work.) I definitely get along well with the guy in question and chat with him a lot, but there are several coworkers I could name that I have the same type of relationship with. The only difference is that those coworkers are women.

I talked to a few friends about it, though, and the greater consensus is that it’s just a jokey name for coworkers who are really close with each other, and I probably have nothing to worry about in terms of how people view me at the office.

It seems like such a loaded term to me, but since other people only think of it as describing a particularly close work friendship, I’d love to hear other people’s feelings about the word. What do you think?

It’s one of those terms where some people are really squicked out by it and some people don’t have a problem with it because they don’t mean it in a squicky way. “Work wife” and “work husband” are generally used to mean “colleague with whom you have a very close work relationship.” And while they did originally seem to only get applied to colleagues of the opposite sex, they now get used for colleagues of the same sex too.

It’s not intended to imply any kind of romance or flirtation, although clearly when you’re using “husband/wife” it brings that up for some people.

Since “work husband” gets used too, I don’t see any particular gender-based subjugation in it — unless, crucially, it’s applied to a relationship that does contain problematic gender dynamics, or unless there only seem to be “work wives” and never work husbands in your circles, in which case, yes, totally objectionable.

But if it’s used to describe both parties in a close and equitable relationship, I’d argue the concept isn’t problematic, but it’s always going to be weird when you take words that describe something totally different and apply them to something else. It’s not surprising that some people will hear the connotations of the first usage carry over to the second.

Personally, I don’t love the term but don’t care if others use it to describe themselves — but it’s a bit weird to apply it to someone else without them doing it first. And if that happens to you, it’s definitely reasonable to say, “Ugh, I really hate that term, please don’t use it about me.”

how should I handle friends who apply for jobs with me?

A reader writes:

What’s the best way to handle a friend who applies for a job not just at your company, but working with you?

This has come up a couple of times now. In both cases, the friend in question would work with me, so I was involved in the application process, but they wouldn’t report to me. I handled both situations differently, and they both, somehow, turned out to be not ideal.

The first time was a friend I really didn’t want to work with — Jon. I had some doubt about whether he was likely to be successful or a good fit in the open role given his experiences in other jobs. I played a small role on the hiring committee and ended up recusing myself and telling him so. He didn’t get hired (which I believe was the right decision), and he was upset that I hadn’t done more to promote his candidacy.

Now the reverse has happened, and it is also uncomfortable. I wholeheartedly endorsed an application from my friend Katie. (I was comfortable with this because we’ve worked together in the past.) I hadn’t seen the other candidates, but she seemed like a strong contender. The hiring committee, though, wasn’t all that into her application. I wasn’t sure how to handle the situation if she did make it to the final round; now I’m not sure how to handle her frequent requests for updates. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don’t want to keep her in false hope. I also think we’re making a mistake passing on her, regardless of our personal friendship.

Is there any good way to handle these situations? Should I just have a blanket policy of saying, sorry, I don’t get involved with friends’ job applications? How much is appropriate to push for a friend who would be good at a job?

I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.

I quit my horrible job but they’re pressuring me to stay and I feel like a villain

A reader writes:

I work in the office of a small family business. I just hit my one-year anniversary here. I’m probably up there as one of the longest-tenured employees in here. We are severely understaffed on a good day. One coworker just finished up her two-weeks notice after being here for two months, and another coworker just straight up had enough and walked out halfway through the morning last week. She lasted four months. Her predecessor lasted one day. She’s also not the first person to walk out in the middle of the day in my tenure here.

As you can probably guess from that, the atmosphere in here is very, very toxic and I want to leave.

Or, at least, I’m incredibly torn. I love most of my coworkers. I’ve never worked anywhere this relaxed before. The work is fun and the atmosphere can be vibrant. The company also inspires great loyalty and there are lifers here who have worked decades at this place.

The biggest problem is that it’s run by one of the most dysfunctional families I’ve ever seen. Upper management all belongs to this family. They’re not shy about airing their dirty laundry publicly: airing grievances and straight-out fighting over the radios is a common occurrence. The entire place can sometimes get caught up in it. One upper manager is notorious for hiding behind the office staff and getting them to enact his decisions so that he doesn’t get caught by the fall-out. There’s another who spends an honestly stunning amount of time looking over everyone’s work and emailing detailed and backstabbing “corrections” to our direct manager. Everyone is so overworked that we’re snapping at each other, and I regularly have to work through lunch so hard that I forget to even eat at my desk.

There are also things that make me … uneasy. One person is leaving because whatever she does, she can’t get the invoicing to come out right. The person who walked out did so partly because it was implied she had stolen something … only to have the item in question turn up in the possession of the family member who had hinted she stole it. There is one member of the family who is the only person to understand the accounting practices in the building, and she gets vicious anytime anyone even asks her a question about it. Sometimes things are said to deliberately confuse the owner. Sometimes if we push back on something the owner wouldn’t want us to do, we’re told to just not tell him it’s happening.

I even gave my notice last week. I called out because I needed a mental health day after some bad news in my personal life and was pushed into coming in anyway halfway through the day, which … I guess is fair considering we’re working on less than skeleton staff and I wasn’t physically sick, but having to spend the day crying at my desk between getting called into meetings that turned into family arguments left me feeling so much more burnt out than ever and I barely got any work done anyway. At one point of blatant mismanagement, I snapped and ended up straight-up yelling at a certain member of the family over the phone about everything that has been going on in this place. For 18 minutes. I don’t think there’s any way I can really convey how NOT LIKE ME something like that is. I don’t yell at coworkers and I certainly don’t yell at my boss. I don’t know how I’m still employed. (There’s also no HR in this place. We have an outside vendor handle payroll and hire by getting whoever looks the least stressed to handle the online job postings.)

However, my new direct manager is a force of nature and has decided she is going to turn this place around single-handedly. And that plan involves my staying. And so she has decided she will motivate me to stay by trying to convince me several times a day that she needs me here. She actually delayed me giving my notice earlier by pleading that I need to stay “for her.” She doesn’t stop. I’ve called her on it, made jokes about it, asked her to stop.

When that wasn’t enough, she started holding what I’m calling Come-to-Jesus meetings. These take place seemingly by accident, but always when the coworkers I like the most and who don’t want me to leave just happen to be around … AND the owner of the company, who also doesn’t want me to leave. She’ll give a long, loud motivational speech about all the things she plans to change (including limiting the power certain family members hold over the office) and how she’s going to turn it around, and ending by asking me, in front of everyone, if I’ll stay. It’s hard to say no without feeling like a horrible villain.

Today I didn’t manage to stick to my guns, gave in, and said I’d stay. I feel awful about it. I cried at my desk after. This is a normal occurrence for people here. I am so burnt out that it’s hard to focus on anything, and if I stay I’m going to have to hold the workload of multiple people while training new people. And that’s assuming any of the big sweeping changes she’s talking about even make it past the planning stage, which they, uh, haven’t. Any of them. (Admittedly she’s only been here for a month and a half.)

I don’t know how to keep going at this job if I stay. I’m too burnt out to hold to a decision to leave in the face of the peer pressure I’m getting. I’m more than halfway to just … not showing up one morning, which honestly most of the people in my personal life are supporting, but that’s not something I’ve ever done in my life and would feel horribly guilty if I did. How on earth do I navigate this situation while trying to shore up my own burnout?

Gee, I wonder why people are walking out without notice.

But look: Do you want to leave the job? The answer is clearly yes, which means that you hold all the power here. All you have to do is stick to your decision.

You’ve already done the hard part — making your decision. Now all you need to do is watch your boss behaving like a loon (because this is loon behavior), let that be validation that you are doing the right thing, and steadfastly decline to change your mind for the next two weeks.

It is very, very normal to leave a job — even jobs that are wonderful in every way, pay you well, don’t overwork you, and are run by competent, supportive management. People leave those jobs all the time! There is nothing weird or shocking or villainous about you leaving any job, and not least one like this. None of your coworkers will be outraged that you left. They know why you’re leaving. They all get it. Some/most of them probably wish they could leave too.

In fact, if it helps, remind yourself that by holding fast and not being talked out of quitting, you are modeling healthy behavior for your coworkers. If you let yourself get pressured into staying, some of them are likely to fall victim to the same thing. That’s not the main reason you should stick to your guns, of course! But you’re feeling public pressure about your coworkers, so turn those feelings to your advantage instead.

When your boss continues to pressure you to stay, you have the option of saying, “I’m happy to work out my two-week notice period but my resignation isn’t up for ongoing debate. If you’re going to continue trying to talk me out of it, I will need to wrap up earlier.” Or you can just keep saying no. It’s up to you.

In case it helps you fortify yourself: Your new boss isn’t going to be able to make any of those sweeping changes she’s talking about! For one thing, the dysfunction comes from above her, and she doesn’t have the ability to make people above her change. For another, she’s bringing plenty of dysfunction to the party herself — declaring she will limit the power of the family members? (How?) Hassling you publicly multiple times a day? Continuing when you’ve clearly asked her to stop? She’s just bringing a new brand of dysfunction to the mix.

Stick to your resignation and get yourself out of this mayhem. Encourage your coworkers to follow suit.

And by the way — the bookkeeping doesn’t add up and the only person who understands the accounting gets angry when questioned about it? There’s a high probability that person is embezzling or engaging in other financial shenanigans.