I just found out my BFF has been my employee’s therapist for years

A reader writes:

I have been the direct supervisor of Bob since 2022, but I was also previously his supervisor in another position, I have worked with him in some capacity for almost 10 years. In many ways, he has been my closest friend at work: we work together on many projects and I often talk to him about things going on outside of work and in other relationships.

Recently, my best friend, Lori, a psychiatrist, decided to unload a list of grievances on me and in a heated moment said, “Bob told me that you weren’t supportive of me!” The thing is, as far as I knew, Lori and Bob had never met. I was shocked and asked how she knew him. Turns out she was his psychiatrist for years, including after he decided to come work with me in 2022. Apparently she encouraged him to find a new doctor at that time but he didn’t want to, so she kept him on. I feel that was a conflict of interest.

I feel so betrayed in this situation. There are so many instances where I have said something to either of them about the other, and neither of them ever told me. I feel like they were voyeurs in each other’s lives through me. Also, Lori telling me is a clear HIPAA violation, so now I’m stuck keeping her secret because as angry as I am (I’m considering ending the friendship), I don’t want to destroy her career.

I’m stuck working with Bob. He is realizing that I’m pulling back, but I haven’t said why. My plan is that if it comes up, I’ll say that I’ve “decided to have very strong boundaries at work,” but the whole thing feels horrible, weird, and isolating.

Should I tell my boss or HR? I’m worried that this will spill out somewhere in the future, not through me but maybe through Bob or Lori (neither has demonstrated great decision-making skills), and it will come back to haunt me. Any advice you can give is helpful. I feel stuck and alone in this secret.

Whoa, Lori really messed up here. Bob too to some degree, but Lori had both a professional obligation and a personal one to tell Bob she couldn’t treat him anymore and refer him to someone else.

Bob erred too, but far, far less so. When Lori first told him it would be a conflict of interest to continue to treat him, he should have respected that and realized that talking candidly about his boss (a completely normal thing to want to do in therapy) wouldn’t be appropriate to do with said boss’s best friend and that — as Lori said — he needed to seek a new therapist.

But Lori! Lori violated the very clear ethics of her profession, and the very clear boundaries of best-friendship. Bob doesn’t have nearly the same obligations toward you as his manager as Lori has toward you as her close friend and toward Bob as his therapist. 90% of this, maybe more, is on Lori.

As for what to do … even aside from this situation, it’s a good idea to have better boundaries with Bob. Someone who works for you can’t be a close friend, because the power dynamics in the relationship prevent the relationship from being an equal one (among other reasons, all described here). So yes to establishing more distant boundaries (still friendly, just not friends) — but that’s not because of who Bob’s therapist is, it’s because of who Bob’s boss is.

You should probably let your own boss or HR know about the situation. It’s not an absolute imperative unless you’re concerned that you can’t manage Bob fairly or objectively anymore (in which case you would have a duty to disclose that and ask for a change in the reporting set-up) but if there’s any risk that it will be perceived that way at some point, it’s in everyone’s interest for you to disclose the situation and get ahead of it.

I’m sorry this happened. It’s a major betrayal by a friend and, on her side, of a patient.

boss runs hot and cold, collecting cash to give to staff, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My boss runs hot and cold

I work in a mid-size non-profit as a fundraiser. I’ve been in this field for 20+ years and am used to the pressure that comes with this job. I joined this organization a year ago and have been successful. I’ve met my fundraising goals, implemented a few new projects, and built strong relationships with donors. That said, I’ve never been more stressed or anxious in a job and I don’t know if I can stay here.

My boss is combative and very hot and cold. One day she will yell at me, tell me that she “hates my work,” and tell me that I waste her time. Other days she will tell me that I am doing great and is very friendly. She has said things like, “I am combative because I care.” When I first started, she told me that her last team complained to HR about her, HR told her who said what, and everyone who spoke up is no longer working here. She implies that she fired them because of what they said. She also has told me that “they couldn’t hack it here.”

I attend a lot of events with donors as part of my job and when we were working on seating for a small dinner, she told me that I shouldn’t be seated next to a donor because “you aren’t fun.” She made this comment multiple times in front of a colleague. It was embarrassing. The purpose of the dinner was to cultivate and fundraise for the organization. I need to sit next to people to do my job.

Part of my job is to plan events to cultivate and steward new donors. I came up with a new type of event, got it approved by her, and invited people to attend. After the invitations went out, my boss told me the CEO “is very mad at you. You should have gotten this approved.” She had approved the event, and she got angry at me when I voiced my confusion. I don’t have meetings with the CEO and never get anything approved directly from him.

These are just a few examples from this month.

I feel like I am constantly failing even though I am meeting my goals. Am I being too sensitive? My spouse suggested that I talk to HR, but I worry that I will be fired because of what she has told me about the last team. Do you have any advice?

Find a new job and get out of there. Talking to HR about a bad manager is risky under the best of circumstances: at best, their power to do anything is often limited, and at worst, it can get back to your manager and cause tension in that relationship with. In this case, HR already has a track record of disclosing complaints to her and not preventing her from retaliating against the complainers. HR isn’t an option when you know that history.

Your boss is a jerk who is never going to support you, and as long as you stay in this job you’re going to feel stressed and insecure. The best thing you can do is to get out.

2. I’m not trying to blame anyone, I just want to fix mistakes

I’m having a strange recurring issue at work that I don’t know how to approach. Let’s say members on my team build teacups. The teacups have to be built to exact specifications or they don’t work right.

I am the subject matter expert on building teacups, but my boss assigns builds to people randomly. Some people make the same mistake on the builds over and over, which causes problems when customers try to use the teacups. I’m not tasked with reviewing builds, which in itself is a problem. I do try to catch problems if I can, but I don’t have the bandwidth to catch them all.

When a build is found to have a problem, my first question is, who built the teacup? If the same mistakes are being made repeatedly, I want to look at retraining or going over our guides to see if they need to be clarified.

My boss has started to get angry at me for asking who built the teacup. A serious problem with a teacup build came to light yesterday, and in response to my question of who built it, she snapped that it didn’t matter who built it.

I think it does matter, especially if the same person is making the same build mistakes, because I would like to retrain or go back through the steps with that person. Relying on me to find errors is not sustainable; I’m covering several jobs at the moment and everyone else on the team is new.

I’m not looking for someone to blame; I want to fix the process so we can cut down the error rate. I also don’t want to keep fixing the same mistakes over and over again, when the person doing the build should not be making the same mistake over and over again.

I don’t know how to approach this with my boss. I had the same problem at a previous job. I don’t know how to communicate that I’m not looking for someone to blame, I want to fix whatever in our process is leading to the same errors.

Have you said to your boss explicitly, “I’m not looking for anyone to blame or get in trouble. I’m asking so that I know if we need to retrain so we have fewer errors in the long run”? If not, say that.

But if you’ve said that and it hasn’t changed anything, then combined with the fact that you got this same feedback at a previous job, I suspect there’s something about the way you’re communicating that is coming across as blamey, even though you don’t intend it to. For what it’s worth, “who built this?” both is a reasonable question to ask and can easily sound like, “I’m asking because they need to know this is unacceptable.” So you might try softening your wording — for example, “I’d like to give whoever built this some tips on how to avoid it — do we know who I should talk to?” That’s less efficient to say, but it’ll probably land differently.

3. Collecting cash to give to staff

I work as a staff member in an academic department at a large state university. We have 10 staff members, including fiscal specialists, advisors, communications specialists, etc. We eliminated receptionists, secretaries, and other more traditional positions years ago. But, dating back to when we had a department secretary and office assistant, there is a tradition of the faculty passing the hat to collect money to give in cash as a Christmas present to us staff (and the sum can be fairly significant, especially because two of us have always opted out, which means more money goes to the others). Of the staff, four of us have PhDs; a couple make more money than the lowest-paid faculty members who are chipping in for these gifts.

I’m always fighting to have staff seen as equals with faculty. I find this variation on tipping to be demeaning, and I’m frustrated that it continues (because some of the staff just want the money). Am I being oversensitive?

I don’t think you’re being oversensitive, but I also think you’re probably fighting a losing battle as long as the other staff members want to continue the tradition.

4. Recruiter said candidates lie about needing visa sponsorship

I am hiring for a new member of my team working within a small department in a very large university. I’ve done hiring in this role before and this is my first time using our university’s recruiters to help lighten my workload in the process.

We receive a lot of applications from people who are students in a masters program at our school, who have only worked outside of the U.S. in the past. This is very common for this role as it is classified as a STEM role by the government (it’s not) which means it does technically qualify for an O-1 visa. However, we do not sponsor visas within our department.

We have questions in our application system that ask if an applicant will need sponsorship now or in the future. As long as they answer no, I accept them as a viable candidate and I’ve never thought twice about it. When I was speaking with a recruiter about our role, he remarked that we had many international candidates. When I brushed that off because I don’t really care, he reiterated that “we do not sponsor” and then followed up with “people lie on those questions all the time.” That part made me uncomfortable. I was in a meeting with my boss and a more senior recruiter and no one else reacted.

I made a joke about how candidates could technically lie about anything, but I’m still thinking about his comment and if I should have said something then or should say something now. For what it’s worth, I’ve ignored his advice completely and am interviewing some great candidates.

People lie on all sorts of questions, which is why you verify the things that matter. As it happens, this one is easily solvable because employers are required by law to verify new hires’ ability to work legally in the U.S. before they start work, so if someone is lying about not needing a sponsor, you’ll find that out pretty quickly.

In your shoes, I’d sure as hell be wondering if that recruiter is rejecting all international applicants on the grounds that they might need sponsorship even if they don’t — and if that’s the case, he’s violating federal law, which prohibits discriminating based on national origin. It might be interesting to ask him — or his boss — if he is in fact doing that.

5. I think our doctor’s note policy is illegal

My company is mostly remote, but has recently begun a policy where employees in cities with enough employee density come into a coworking space once a month. I have no problem with the policy — it’s great to see people, while still working mostly remotely! However, our HR team, in an attempt to stamp out any possible edge cases where an employee might not be able to come in for coworking on this day, has implemented a bunch of rules that are annoying in some cases (for example, if your childcare falls through and you need to stay home, you must use one of your PTO days, even if you can work with your kids around), and possibly not legal in the one I’m writing about.

Specifically, if you’re sick and need to stay home on the coworking day, you’re required to send a doctor’s note to HR. In my city and the city where the company is headquartered (San Francisco and New York City), there are laws stating you can’t require a doctor’s note unless an employee is out sick for more than three days. These laws are pretty easy to find with a simple Google search. Our regular sick time policy in fact states that a doctor’s note is only required if you’re out more than three days, but the policy for the coworking days states that if you’re out just that day you must provide a note. I’ve heard of at least one employee who needed to stay home sick on a coworking day, and was pinged by multiple people in HR (including the head of HR) saying they must submit a doctor’s note, and generally giving them a hard time about needing to stay home.

Is there a (tactful) way to bring up that we may be running afoul of local employment laws with this policy? Am I missing something?

I’d say it this way: “I’m concerned that requiring a doctor’s note if someone is sick on a coworking day violates the law in San Francisco and New York City, both of which prohibit requiring doctor’s notes unless the person is out three days or more.” You could add, “I don’t want us to run afoul of the law, and I think we likely need to change that to comply.”

This is the same matter-of-fact “whoops, we might be getting this wrong” framing that you’d use for a concern that felt less fraught (like if you needed to point out that you were using the wrong deadline for a city tax filing or something else similarly boring).

weekend open thread – November 23-24, 2024

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This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand.

Here are the rules for the weekend posts.

Book recommendation of the week: Amp’d, by Ken Pisani. After an accident leaves him short one arm, a man moves back home with his father and tries to rebuild his life. Far funnier than you expect it to be.

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open thread – November 22, 2024

It’s the Friday open thread!

The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers.

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my boss hates that I blush a lot, I messed up a major project as my internship ended, and more

It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go…

1. My boss hates that I blush a lot

I have always been a chronic blusher. Whatever you’re thinking when you read that, it’s way more. I blush at everything. Someone looks at me — I turn red. I think about something slightly awkward that happened to me — I blush. As a teen, my parents even took me to doctors for it. It turns out I have a condition called idiopathic craniofacial erythema, which is basically a fancy name for saying my blush reaction is crazy over-primed. I tried CBT. I tried regular talk therapy. I even tried medication. No go. There is a surgery option but it’s scary and I’m not interested in doing it.

When I realized this is never going to change, I changed course and decided not to let it stop me. I’d always wanted to be more outgoing but the awkward feeling of knowing I was going to keep blushing made me stop myself. But I decided not to let it stop me anymore from doing what I want to do, and I started approaching people, striking up conversations, asking strangers for directions — all the sort of regular things I’d always held back from. People who know me now say I have a lot of social grace and I’m a pleasant, fun, outgoing person, even though I still turn beet red at the drop of a hat.

Where this meets work: I have a wonderful job that I love. The issue is that it’s client-facing, and about a year ago I got a new manager, Marie. From the beginning Marie took issue with my blushing. She could never get comfortable around me, I guess because she thought my blushing when she spoke to me meant I wasn’t comfortable with her? Coworkers have told me several times that she’s complained aloud about “how we let someone so shy have such a high-level client-facing position” and how the clients must be so uncomfortable. I am not shy. I do my job well, and I’ve gotten great feedback from my clients, even if it took some of them a bit of time to get comfortable with me in the beginning. My strategy has always been to act as if the blushing is not happening, and most people take that cue from me after a short while. My friends have told me that after getting to know me they no longer notice that I blush so much.

Marie has recently escalated her complaints and has started bringing them directly to me, almost every day. She’s told me that as a customer-facing employee I need to work on my presentation and interpersonal skills, and kept reiterating that she’s not happy with the way I present myself. I’ve asked my colleagues and they all agree I’m very good at what I do and the clients are very happy with me, and that’s the feedback I’ve gotten from clients too.

What can I do? I’m worried Marie is going to try let me go. She recently gave me a very poor performance review, even though I hit all my work goals and even surpassed many of them, and she’s started speaking about a PIP. Is this ADA-level stuff? I’ve never sought accommodations from HR because this diagnosis is a bit iffy — many doctors claim there’s no such condition and it’s misdiagnosed anxiety (which I, of course, think is nonsense). We don’t have great HR, but I’ve never had to defend myself at work this way before.

Talk to HR ASAP and explain what’s going on. Make sure to include everything Marie is doing — hassling you about it near daily, giving you a poor evaluation despite your performance and now talking about a PIP, and complaining to colleagues about you.

Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, this probably doesn’t qualify as a protected disability, but (a) some states have laws that go beyond the ADA and (b) most employers still don’t want managers discriminating against good employees based on a minor medical condition that doesn’t impact their work, regardless of whether it’s ADA-level. (Also, if your manager regards you as having a disability, like anxiety, you’d actually be covered — because the law protects people perceived as having disabilities too.)

When you talk to HR, use the wording, “I am concerned I’m being penalized for a medical condition and that my job may be at risk, despite my work results.”

2. I messed up a major project at the end of my internship

I was a student intern at a local media organization, and my term ended a few months ago. I was very lucky to have this position, and my coworkers were incredibly kind and gave me a lovely farewell.

Here is my issue: I had a deadline for a project I was working on for a couple months, and I submitted it on my very last day of work. I fumbled in the most massively horrifying way when I uploaded the materials to our shared cloud database and deleted them off my personal device as they took up a lot of space. Big mistake: the files I submitted did not get fully uploaded and could not be recovered, and I’ve since been in a scramble to redo them with only the raw footage left (some of which was also deleted). This is an objectively easy but somewhat labor intensive task, made worse by the fact that I myself got very sick for almost the entire month after my position ended, and as soon as I recovered, I had to relocate to take care of a sick family member.

My supervisor has since reached out to me a few times about the state of the work, and I gave a brief explanation and assured her I would be able to get it done, but I keep dropping the ball. In the last few months my region has experienced severe weather that caused extensive damage to my house, and my family member has had a major health crisis. I am only now in a position where I can get this done — nearly six months after it was initially due and only a few weeks before it needs to be shared. At this point, my supervisor could have very well gotten someone else to do it, I wouldn’t know because I’ve been to scared to reach out!

I will be uploading the completed materials by the end of the week, but I owe my supervisor an apology for my very poor communication and the egregious delay. I have already apologized a couple times, but it doesn’t really mean much if I continued to miss the deadlines I set for myself. How do I explain the situation and my appreciation for my supervisor’s patience without making it sound like a string of excuses? It’s been an awful few months and I’m really hoping to put this behind me without entirely ruining my professional reputation.

Oh no, I’m sorry — this is a perfect storm of problems that were largely out of your control. The original upload mistake was yours, yes, but everything that happened after that to compound it wasn’t.

All you can do is to apologize and explain what happened. For example: “I want to reiterate how terribly sorry I am about this. I should have confirmed that the original upload had gone through before removing the files from my device. Normally I would have been able to fix that fairly quickly, but I’ve had a string of difficult external events since then (a lengthy illness, a seriously ill family member, a relocation, and then severe housing damage from the hurricane). I say that not to excuse the delay, but to explain the context. I really valued my internship and everyone I worked with, and I’m mortified to have had this happen.”

That’s all you can do! If they knew you to be a reasonably conscientious person during your internship, this should do a lot to take responsibility and put it in context.

For what it’s worth, I’m not thrilled about them expecting all of this additional — presumably unpaid — work from you after your internship ended. I completely get why you’re doing it — you don’t want to leave them with a bad impression after the work you put in — and on their end they may not realize how much they’re asking of you (especially if they think the files are easily reconstructed)  … but I also don’t want you to go forward thinking it’s normal to have to fix mistakes after you’re no longer at a job. This was an unusual situation, made worse in ways that normally won’t happen.

3. I was told the salary range was flexible, but apparently it’s not

I was contacted to apply for a position at a company where I have many pre-existing contacts. The person who would be my boss set up an informal conversation about the role, during which we discussed the listed starting salary; I was told it was flexible. I asked how flexible, and was honest that it would be a significant pay cut — and was given the full salary range. I conveyed that my current salary is near the top of their range, and I would not be interested in taking a pay cut. I was again assured flexibility.

With that information, I decided to apply, and was ultimately made a verbal offer by the same person. They said HR would look at the job description, my qualifications, and the salary range and make a formal offer. To my surprise, I was offered exactly the starting salary, despite having significantly more experience than the minimum qualifications and despite the previous conversation.

When I met with HR to negotiate, they seemed surprised, confused, and maybe a little annoyed. They said everyone in this tier of positions starts at this salary, and what I was asking for was much more than everyone else made and it wouldn’t be fair. They said they’d try to get a little higher and would consult with the CEO, but I haven’t heard anything since.

I’m feeling a mix of irritation, disappointment, and self-consciousness. I’ve never negotiated before and feel like I flubbed it. I get the feeling HR thinks I pulled one over on them, but had I known this wasn’t a “starting” salary, but rather the salary, I’d have never applied and wasted my own time, let alone theirs. What did I do wrong here? And, how can I mend my reputation with my contacts at this company?

It’s not you who needs to mend your reputation with them, it’s them with you. They invited you to apply for a job under apparently false pretenses and wasted your time. That probably wasn’t intentional; it sounds like a miscommunication or misunderstanding between the hiring manager and HR, but it’s still what happened.

Get in touch with the manager who you originally talked with about salary and explain what happened: “As you know, we had talked about salary early on and I’d explained that I’d need to be offered near the top of the range since I can’t take a pay cut. HR offered me the very bottom of the range and seemed surprised that I had expected anything else. Is this something you’re able to intervene on? I can’t accept the salary being offered, and I wouldn’t have applied without our conversation about it initially.”

It’s possible the hiring manager can intervene and get this changed; it’s also possible that they can’t. But this is the right next move, both in the negotiation itself / to figure out if this job is still a real possibility for you or not, and in terms of making sure they’re clear on what happened.

But you didn’t mess up. They did.

4. Could questions about low-performers be explained by the person working a second job?

As an avid AAM reader for many years, I’ve wondered in the last two years if some of the questions about managing remote staff who are not making deadlines, under-responsive, or not keeping their cameras on during meetings are really about staff who are holding down multiple full-time jobs. Do you ever consider in your responses that the underperforming employee might actually be “over-employed” and that’s the reason for the performance issues and subterfuge?

The beauty of those situations is that it doesn’t really matter, because the answer for the manager is still the same: lay out clear the expectations the person isn’t meeting and what needs to change, and then hold them to that. If someone isn’t meeting deadlines or isn’t responsive enough, regardless of the cause, their manager needs to address those things forthrightly, and with a relatively short timeline for improvement. More here:

is there a way to find out if someone secretly has two full-time jobs?

Good managers should always be keeping an eye out for problems, giving feedback, and being direct about problems. In a lot of these “is this employee working a second full-time job?” cases, the root of the issue is that the manager isn’t paying enough attention or is being too passive.

how do I network without being too transactional?

A reader writes:

I have a networking/recommendations question. My company’s been acquired and I’m worried about impending layoffs. I’ve been thinking about a return to grad school anyways so maybe this is the push I needed, but will still need a new job before then. My LinkedIn is a bit bare, but I’m a hard worker and quite sociable, so I think many of my old colleagues would have nice things to say. How do you recommend reaching out to former colleages and managers for things like LinkedIn reviews or a grad school letter of recommendation?

Do you recommend a cold text/email that includes some pleasantries but gets straight to the point about asking for a favor? Should I review them on LinkedIn first then send a message asking for the favor to be returned? These feel a bit transactional to me though. Do I ask if we can do a catch-up call and then disclose the ask (referral letter) on the call — which feels a bit slimy like the subtext is I only wanted to catch up to ask for the favor?

And should the tactic change if you’ve worked with them recently — around six months ago? Versus if it’s been a year or more? And on the matter, how long is just too long to ask for a LinkedIn review if you haven’t kept in contact?

Sorry for all the questions, but networking often feels like a minefield and I always overthink it!

First things first: don’t put a ton of capital or effort into getting LinkedIn recommendations. They don’t carry any real weight. You’re much better off asking contacts for other kinds of help, like job leads (or references when you’re at that stage).

Next, it is completely normal to let long stretches of time go by without talking with people you used to work with and then contact them out of the blue when something job-related comes up. This is not rude! It’s how people normally do it. These aren’t social relationships, where it would be rude to ignore someone for a year and then ask them to help you move out of your apartment. These are work relationships, which are governed by different etiquette.

You do not need to pretend that you are contacting people to catch up and then slip in the request once they’re talking to you. In fact, doing that will come across as insincere and is more likely to annoy people who would rather cut to the chase and find out what you’re really contacting them for.

So, yes — a text or email that includes some brief pleasantries but gets fairly quickly to the point about what you want to ask. That’s true whether it’s been six months or two years. If it’s closer to the two years end of things, you’ll want to include a bit about what you’ve been up to and also ask about them, but the basic format is the same. How long would be “too long” is a judgment call, but it’s probably much longer than you think and it depends on what you’re asking for. If someone I worked with 10 years ago contacted me for a reference now, in most cases it would feel too long ago to be able to provide the sort of nuanced info that’s actually useful … but it wouldn’t be too long for other types of requests, like “I’m super interested in Org X, saw you worked for them a while back, and wonder what you know about what they look for in llama analysts.”

Also, because you sound a little nervous about the whole thing, remember that with networking, the assumption is always that there may be opportunity for give-and-take. You’re asking for a favor now, but they know they might be asking you for a favor in a year. People are motivated to maintain these sorts of relationships in part because they go both ways, and it benefits them for you to think warmly of them and have good will toward them. Obviously if you never come through for them when they approach you, their perception of that will change — but generally business networking is predicated on an assumption of mutual good will, warmth, and a desire to assist, within reason.

how much socializing at work is too much?

A reader writes:

I am a manager at an office of 35 employees and everyone is fairly autonomous in managing their workload. We’re a pretty social and casual group, so it’s no big deal for people to socialize with one another to a certain extent. However, I’ve recently noticed that there seem to be more frequent, prolonged socializing sessions with some groups of people. I would guess it’s 3-5 days a week for 45 minutes or more each time. I think it probably starts out as work-related conversations but then wanders into more social territory. Is this pretty typical? My concern is that people are getting too relaxed and putting off the actual work that needs to be done and then quality is suffering (quality is hard to measure in my job so this is difficult to track). My concern with addressing it is that I don’t want to kill morale. If you think it does need to be addressed, how would you do so?

I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.

let’s talk about unusual office traditions

One of the most popular “ask the readers” posts last year was on unusual but fun office traditions. Here’s some of what got shared last year:

• We had The Team Plant. It was a nice ordinary office houseplant in a basket, and it didn’t belong to anyone in particular. Most of the time it lived on a credenza in the middle of our open space. But sometimes the team would just decide that you deserved or needed to have The Team Plant on your desk for a while. You might find it on your desk if you got a promotion or had a new grandchild, or if your car was damaged in a fender-bender or someone on your account team left the company, or if you had a cold and were dragging. It appeared on my desk the week my father died and stayed there for a while, and then one of my co-workers completed a difficult project and I passed it on to him.

• My floor has all of the lights off. We don’t like fluorescent lights. New people get a handful of poop emoji erasers to use as weapons to toss when you need someone’s attention but they have headphones on.

• I worked in a very casual workplace (shorts, jeans, basically anything goes as long as it’s not too revealing), and we would occasionally have a “Formal Friday” (like casual Friday, but the opposite, get it?). Some people would just dress office snazzy, some would wear something you’d wear to a cocktail party, and some people used the opportunity to bust out their 80s/90s apparel with shoulder pads and chunky gold jewelry. Good fun. (And, of course, totally optional.)

• We have interns who graduate into permanent employees after finishing their PhDs. We have a strange tradition of making people recite their thesis topic in iambic pentameter.

• I have just joined a team where people have huge adult terry cloth bibs to wear at lunch time. (The kind that can be bought in bulk for nursing homes.) Mine was bestowed on me this week and I am surprisingly happy about it.

There was a clamor to share unusual office traditions again this year, so have it at: please share in the comments!

employer hired a sex offender, being called a “mom” professionally, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Our agency flexed its own policy to hire a sex offender

I work for a government agency and a new hire in our group took a while to pass their background check. Living in an open records state, it’s easy to find someone with a unique name. Six years ago, this man (29 years old at the time) was busted in a police sting trying to solicit sex with a 15-year-old using a popular app. No contact was actually made (since there was no real child involved), but he was charged with sending explicit photos and communications with a minor. He completed his probation, which changed his record from felony to misdemeanor.

I can see all the court docs, and his defense was that he thought this person was 16 (our state’s age of consent) and that he did nothing wrong. The documents clearly show age was discussed in detail and he knew the boy was 15. He resisted the court ordered sexual eval and treatment, and claimed several other reasons he was innocent. He was forced to attend treatment and completed his probation and monitoring.

Our org has a policy that any crime against people in the last seven years should disqualify an applicant, even a misdemeanor. So I’m shocked this made it past HR. I don’t know if our director is aware or if this stopped at HR. I know if I ask HR, they aren’t going to tell me anything. Technically he completed his treatment, but crimes against kids crosses the line for me. One other staff member was with me when we figured this out, but otherwise I’m not aware that anyone else knows. Is there any way for me to question this hire and how he passed the background check?

No, because it’s not your job to question him (and what could you do with the answer in any case?). Since you know he did get background checked, presumably your employer is aware of the conviction. I agree with you 100% about the nature of this crime and I wouldn’t want to work with this guy either, but you really don’t have the standing to question him. That said, you could approach your manager and/or HR with your concerns that the organization appears to have bent its policy for a sex offender.

2. Managing an employee with severe anxiety

How would you suggest handling a direct report with severe anxiety to the point that they in physical distress over looming tasks? That kind of anxiety is something I have a little experience with and have found my own techniques for dealing with (knowing they aren’t one-size-fits-all) … which I can’t help but offer while also pushing for therapy via our EAP. How long do I give them to work on it versus how much do I pry to confirm they are trying things? It’s affecting their sleep (and therefore work), their primary doctor still hasn’t nailed everything down with effective treatments, and at least one treatment attempt involved “don’t operate heavy machinery” level of painkillers. We’re in a regulated industry doing risk reviews so that starts to get hairy that I must review it all. They aren’t up to speed four months into their hire, but I own some of that blame as a relatively new manager while they are remote.

You can suggest working with the EAP and you can maybe offer some low-key suggestions of stress reduction techniques, but beyond that this is theirs to manage. It would be overstepping to push for therapy or any kind of specific treatment, or to try to confirm they’re working on it. Let them know what the job expectations are and let them know if they’re not meeting those, and if their anxiety is disruptive to colleagues, address that … but you sound like you’re getting pretty close to overstepping (or maybe have already).

If you feel like you’ve fallen down on your side of things as a manager, work on remedying that. If it’s not feasible for you to keep reviewing everything, let them know that, and let them know what you need to see from them in order to be able to back off from that and when that needs to happen by, and ask what they need from you to work toward that goal. But their mental health is theirs to manage. Your involvement needs to stay confined to managing their work performance, and those are two very different things.

3. Being called a “mom” professionally

I saw the letters you posted about being referred to as a “work mom” or “office mom” and something similar happened to me but outside of an office setting, and I don’t know how to address it or if I even can.

I run professional events for widget makers (events like talks and panels and networking) which I’ve been doing for years. I’ve connected a lot of people professionally with my events, and I platform local widget makers and give many people their first public speaking opportunities. Some events are about early-career stuff and some are about getting better at our craft which attracts mid-level and senior folks. People pay to attend these events and buy other stuff from me. This is a business I’ve built up over the years and it’s a well-known part of the community. It’s a side-hustle to my full time work, where I’m a senior widget maker myself.

I was talking to somebody (another widget maker) who’s attended a lot of my events. They said they and friends of theirs were jokingly (and endearingly) calling me “widget mom”, because I help so many people with what I do (for what it’s worth, both of us are women in our 30s but I’m a bit older).

I understand how nice this is supposed to be! But I was really bothered by the name, though I didn’t say anything. I’m a professional widget maker too, I’ve been doing this for 15 years, and I thought I was known for my own experience and skill. But being called “widget mom” sounds like my business is some friendly, mothering thing I do out of the goodness of my heart… when I’m selling my own expertise and knowledge in an explicitly professional context (albeit in a relaxed and friendly way). How many moms charge a fee to speak with them?

Maybe I’m taking the “mother” part too literally, but it feels at odds with how I see myself and how I want to be perceived, which is as a widget maker and entrepreneur. It feels dismissive of my many years in the field, like I’m only being recognized for what I do for others, and not the widget-making work I do myself and the business I run based on that.

Am I taking this too seriously, or being insecure? Was it just a compliment that was meant well, and I should be flattered? Since I don’t actually work with these people but see them in professional (yet relaxed) contexts, is there any way I can address it or should I leave it alone and let them think what they want?

It can be something that was meant well while still being a problem! It’s reasonable to take issue with it. It matters that men are businessmen while women doing the same thing get labeled “moms.” (I’m sure no one is calling your male colleagues “widget dad.”)

You could say this next time you talk to that person: “By the way, I was thinking about what you said about people calling me ‘widget mom.’ I appreciate that it’s well-intended, but I always think that kind of label devalues women as businesspeople. I’d be grateful if you shut it down.”

4. Employee keeps texting to say he’s sick but still coming in

I have an employee who is young and new to the professional world. His work product is great, but his work ethic is questionable. I can chalk all of it up to maturity level, and overall everything is fine. That said, there is one thing he does that I don’t like, and I’m not sure how to word the conversation.

A handful of times, he has texted me to tell me he is sick but still coming in to work. This morning, I got a detailed text about his ailments, which ended with, “I’m still coming in, but wanted you to know if I seem a little off.” I texted back and told him not to come into the office. He didn’t. But this same thing happened a few weeks ago, and he didn’t want to use his sick leave. His claim is that he didn’t call in, was totally willing to come in, and I told him not to, so he shouldn’t have to take the sick day.

That’s bananapants, right? We’re a small office, and when one person comes in sick, it’s like a domino effect (and then I end up working tons extra, even if I, too, get sick). I want to tell him that if he is texting me to tell me he is puking or running a fever, but is coming in and “may seem a little off,” just to go on and call in sick and not leave the decision for me. Can I do that? We get plenty of days per year, and they don’t roll over or get paid out, so I’m not sure why he isn’t taking them.

Yes, you can do that. The wording you want is: “If you are throwing up, running a fever, or otherwise sick, you need to stay home and use sick leave. In addition to it being the right thing for your own health, I don’t want you to risk infecting other people by coming in. This isn’t negotiable; you can’t put other people’s health at risk.”

You might also ask if he’s concerned about running out of sick time; even though you think it shouldn’t be the case, it’s worth asking since you never know if there’s a concern like that underlying his actions. (If there is, the answer still won’t be “come in while vomiting,” but it’s useful to know if there’s something a concern you need to help him figure out how to address.)

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5. Talking about success stories as a tutor

I work as a private tutor in math and science. My name is on a tutor list for a local high school, so I get jobs from them, as well as getting referrals from former students and their parents. Something happened last week that has never happened before: a job interview! In person, I met with the mother and the aunt at the library (in a reserved room, so we could speak freely).

She asked me reasonable questions: about my methods, like did I have a curriculum (no, I would prefer to help with homework and current classwork and answer old questions and topics as needed) and did I work with teachers (almost never).

Then she asked me a stumper: did I have any success stories? I was taken aback. It was a good question once I gave it some thought, but I tried to convey to the mother that I was much more concerned with my relationship with the student than with their scores or grades. I sought to be a cheerleader and confidence builder, never another source of stress or pressure. I also had to answer some other valid question about how I would know if the student could do the work on their own without me next to them, but that question I felt like I could answer since I usually probed for understanding at the beginning and end of a session.

I think my actual question is about how I can build a useful response to the concerns of a parent about my qualifications. I almost never find out what happens at the end of the school year, and I can’t predict from year to year if I will even see the student again.

Yeah, if I were hiring a tutor for my kid, I’d be glad that you saw yourself as a cheerleader and confidence builder, but I’d also expect the primary goal to be ensuring my kid improved their skills and understanding of the material. If that’s not your philosophy, it’s good to talk that through before deciding to work together. But you also say that you check for understanding at the beginning and end of sessions, so it sounds to me like you do both; you just haven’t figured out how to describe that piece of it.

I suspect you do have success stories like that if you think about it, though! Have you seen kids gain in understanding and confidence and improve their grades through their work with you? Have you worked with kids who struggled with X when your work started but were able to do problems centering around X successfully by the end of your time together? Those are the sorts of success stories parents are looking for. You don’t need to produce test results, but you do want to talk about what the outcomes of your work will be/usually are.

my coworker’s constant interruptions make us all dread team calls

A reader writes:

Our team of seven has been working from home since the beginning of Covid. To keep up-to-date on projects, we have two weekly calls with the entire team, and one mid-week call to update the rest of the company on projects.

Our manager runs the two team calls each week, while I run the mid-week call on projects. This is important to note.

On the team calls, there is a coworker, Andy, who frequently interrupts whoever is talking, regardless of the topic. He talks over everyone and has something to say about everything, even when he isn’t involved. Sometimes, even most times, these things are personal in nature and not about the project we’re working on. He also likes to command the conversation talking about his pets, his house, his home projects, and his friends.

Team calls are a drag on the day anyway, but crucial to staying on point and communicating with coworkers who have different roles in each project, rather than just emailing. I’m just really tired of having a conversation about, let’s say, packaging for a new product to be interrupted and talked over with, “Oh guys! Halloween is next week!”

Our manager is far too diplomatic to say anything, but I feel even she is getting annoyed with this. It isn’t social hour. It’s work. Lately after an outburst, there is an awkward silence where everyone waits to see if it’s okay to resume the conversation we had been having. No one really responds to his interruptions, so you’d think he’d get the hint.

Andy doesn’t have much to do in our department; his job is very seasonal in nature. I know it would not go over well to suggest he no longer be invited to these conversations unless he’s directly involved in a project, but I am going to have an outburst of my own soon if he doesn’t shut up.

It’s interesting to note that on the mid-week calls (the ones I run), he barely makes a peep unless spoken to, so I know it is possible for him to do.

Lately there’s been a text thread before each team call between my coworkers and I, saying things like “Get ready for the Andy show!” … “Wonder how Andy’s weekend was, I’m sure we’ll hear all about it when we’re trying to forecast for the next year.” … etc. He’s crowding out the team and alienating us all.

At the end of the calls, we usually take turns updating anything personal if we choose to share — the key being, take turns (our manger calls us by name and asks how certain things are going, etc). Even that has stopped because when someone else chooses to share, he crowds into their conversation by trying to relate or give advice, when it’s not his turn and no one wants to be talked over during personal share time. It’s affecting team morale.

What is a good way to bring this up to my boss? I had thought of spinning it positively, maybe asking if there is a way we can help Andy wait to share his thoughts until the end or asking him to mute while we’re having project conversations and personal conversations.

I don’t want to have to talk to him myself, although I did a few times already and it made me feel bad. Once I emailed him after a call and kinda let it be known that we missed a good chunk of the conversation because he was speaking. He apologized profusely and said he didn’t mean to do that. It made me feel terrible for being rude to him about it. Another time, on a video call, he was going on and on with unsolicited advice so I raised my hand in a “stop talking” gesture and told him I didn’t want or need his advice. He said, “Oh, okay.” I felt less bad that time because it was about something personal and I chose to share with the team, and I would have said that to anyone else that I knew — sometimes we share to vent, and I didn’t ask for advice.

Ugh, Andy, why?! Not only are the off-topic interjections and monologuing rude, but he’s making meetings take longer, which some day will be an established defense for murder.

Where is your manager in all this? You describe her as “too diplomatic” to speak up, but this isn’t about diplomacy — it’s about doing her job, which includes managing the meetings she’s running so that they’re not constantly veering off-track and stepping in when she sees toxic dynamics developing on your team.

Not only is your manager doing the whole team a disservice by not managing meetings more assertively, she’s also doing Andy a disservice — because she’s allowing him to obliviously go on annoying and alienating all his team members. She’d be doing him, along with everyone else, a favor by shutting this down.

Because you run the mid-week calls with the rest of the company, I’m wondering if that means you have a leadership-ish role in your department (either formally or informally). If so, that positions you especially well to point out to your boss that Andy regularly disrupts meetings and is alienating his coworkers. But even if you don’t have that kind of role, you still have standing to talk to her about it, because you’re a team member who’s affected by it.

I would say it this way: “Would it be possible to talk to Andy about limiting his interruptions on team calls? When he interrupts people, talks over them, and interjects with off-topic remarks, it makes it hard to stay focused on the topic and makes the meeting take longer, and I can tell by people’s comments that they’re getting increasingly frustrated and wanting to participate less.”

If your manager is passive to the point that you know she won’t handle it, another option is to be more assertive during the meetings yourself. For example, at the start of the next call you could say, “I’ve got a hard stop at 10:30 so could we hold anything unrelated to the agenda for the end so I can drop off then?” or, “We’ve been getting off-topic a lot lately, and I wondered what everyone thinks about setting some meeting norms on holding interruptions or anything outside the agenda until the end of the call?” (Your coworkers are likely to chime in enthusiastically on that suggestion.) And when Andy does interrupt with something off-topic, you can say, “I really wanted to hear what Jane was saying about X” or “can you hold that until the end so we don’t lose what Jane was saying about X?”

But it might be that a pointed conversation with your boss will nudge her to step in herself.