an industry colleague is lying to me about a dispute we had years ago

A reader writes:

Six years ago, I was vice president of the board of a national advocacy body (Org A) that had a long-standing, mostly good, relationship with another national advocacy body (Org B). The two organizations had some commonalities but also quite well defined swim lanes.

While I was VP for Org A, Elsa from Org B had approached me and asked if I could be on a voluntary advisory group they were convening. Elsa assured me it had nothing to do with my board role at Org A, and it was a group of independent experts in the industry, with Org B just providing a secretariat. My board eventually agreed it wasn’t a conflict of interest so I joined.

Two weeks after the first expert meeting, Org A voted to resign their associate membership in Org B, in response to a disagreement about Org B’s new approach to something, although I think they just disliked Sven, the CEO, and decided to try and force some sort of change within the organization. I didn’t agree with the resignation but was overruled by a majority vote.

The day after the resignation was announced, I got an automated email saying Elsa had removed my access to the online platform being used by the expert group. I sent a couple of emails seeking to clarify if this was a tech issue or related to the resignation, but got no response.

Three days later, Elsa called me. She was on speaker with Sven. They confirmed I had been removed from the expert group, then proceeded to scream at me and tell me I was compromising my personal values by staying on the board of Org A. I calmly said that professionalism and kindness were two of my values, and that I would end the call if they continued to yell. They kept yelling so I hung up. I was shaken but chalked it up to Elsa and her team being unprofessional.

Two weeks later, the board chair of Org B called me and asked me to join their board, because they thought I had a useful skill set. I respectfully declined — partly because it was a conflict, and partly because I didn’t want to be managing Sven, who thinks it’s okay to yell at people and question their integrity.

Two years later I get a job with an organization that funds some of the work undertaken by Org B. I declared our previous history to my new CEO during the interview process, who wasn’t bothered — she understands it’s a big industry! I also resigned from Org A around the same time, because that was a conflict. I ended up meeting Elsa for a coffee when I started my new job, as we had to work together occasionally, and she apologized for how she had treated me during that phone call and we all moved on.

I’ve been in my current role four years and have a cordial relationship with Org B and Elsa. Org B has a reputation as being difficult to work with and they regularly have “reset” meetings with other organizations across the industry when they behave poorly, but I have generally gotten on well with their team since that apology.

Fast forward to today…

Elsa emailed the group of experts from the original panel, including me, asking us to share our experiences of the panel as a case study for successful cross-industry collaboration. I replied to Elsa and asked if she was sure I should be included because they had removed me from the group very early on.

She’s just replied and said, “Oh no, you were removed at the request of Org A, didn’t you know that? It was nothing to do with us. Love your work!”

Alison, this just … didn’t happen. I was the VP at the time, I would have known about that request, and my board was just as shocked as I was about what had happened. But … I can’t prove anything. The board has changed over, I no longer have access to those emails from that time, and it’s their word against mine.

Elsa and I have a previously scheduled coffee for next week to discuss a new funding proposal and I don’t know what to do. Do I ignore the email and pretend nothing ever happened? Do I cancel the coffee on some pretext? Do I respond to correct the record? I just don’t know.

Are there professional reasons for you to maintain a cordial relationship with Elsa? Does it benefit your current employer or you personally to be on pleasant terms with her? If so, the most practical thing to do is to just privately roll your eyes at Elsa’s rewriting of history, file it away as useful information about her lack of trustworthiness, and go to the coffee and conduct whatever business needs to be conducted.

To be clear, Elsa sounds like a mess. The phone call where she and Sven screamed at you, the accusations of compromising your values, her affiliation with an org so difficult to work with that they regularly need “reset” meetings with industry partners … she’s a mess.

For all I know, it’s possible that Org B removing you from their online platform was a reasonable decision in response to them being in open conflict with your employer, or maybe it was just petty retribution (although in the case of the former, they should have just owned it and explained the reason). But the rest of her behavior is bad enough that it doesn’t really matter.

As for her claim that you were removed at your employer’s request … it’s probably a deliberate lie to save face; she needs to work with you now and your current employer funds some of her organization’s work, so she’s trying to smooth things over and using deceit to do it. In fairness, it’s also possible that she genuinely doesn’t remember because it’s been years, but that too doesn’t really matter; we don’t need to figure it out because you’re not assessing Elsa as a potential employee or close friend. You already know she’s shady and not someone you’ll ever want to collaborate with closely.

So it really just comes down to what kind of relationship you need with her professionally. If it doesn’t much matter, feel free to cancel the coffee on some vague pretext and not reschedule it. Either way, though, I don’t see any reason why you can’t reply to her email with, “Oh, I think your recollection is wrong; Org B chose to remove me after Org A resigned its membership in B. Anyway, it’s water under the bridge now and I’ll see you on Tuesday.”

If she replies to debate that, just ignore. There’s no point in engaging further on it. And if she brings it up when you meet in person — which she would be foolish to do! — stick with, “It was a long time ago and I think we’ve all moved on.” The goal here isn’t to get both of you on the same page so you can have a relationship based on truth and genuine connection; it’s to conduct whatever business needs to be conducted and be done.

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anti-vax employee is pressuring a coworker not to vaccinate her baby

A reader writes:

I have three people who I have supervised for the last three years. Although I am not their official manager, I am the person who handles the bulk of their day-to-day responsibilities. I’ll call them Cordelia, Willow, and Dawn. All three are hard workers and are good at their jobs. They are also friends and the three of them often enjoy eating lunch together at one of their desks most days.

Cordelia has always been kind of a big personality. She goes above and beyond at work but also in her personal life, and is busy every single weekend and most evenings. She is one of those people who just always seems to have loads of energy and opinions. I like her, but also find her a little bit exhausting.

About 10 years ago (before I worked here), Cordelia had a baby who tragically passed away before his first birthday. His death was about a week after he had received several of the usual six-month infant vaccines. Cordelia has blamed his death on the vaccines and is an anti-vaxxer.

She has mentioned that she was relieved that our company decided not to require Covid-19 vaccines or boosters, because she would have had to quit because she absolutely will not get any vaccines.

I don’t agree with her stance, but I’m also not going to argue with a coworker about medical stuff that isn’t a core part of our jobs, and even more, I am not comfortable being overly confrontational with a grieving parent. She understandably still grows upset and cries when something reminds her of her baby.

Each fall, my company arranges for flu shots to be available on site for one afternoon for employees.

My first year here, I overheard Cordelia telling Willow not to get the flu shot. Willow tends to smile and nod, and then ignore Cordelia and do whatever she was planning to do, so no actual harm was done. However, I did speak to Cordelia about it and explain that she was certainly welcome to make her own healthcare decisions and not get a flu shot, but that other people were allowed to, and she couldn’t discourage them ahead of time or criticize them afterwards.

I did keep a close watch on her at the time, and again last fall when flu shots were offered again, and there was no recurrence. I also checked in with Willow, who just laughed and said she got the shot every year. This felt like it was dealt with.

Then Dawn shared that she is pregnant. It’s her first, and she and her husband are thrilled. It’s all really lovely and exciting.

Except…

You’ve almost certainly worked out where this is going. Cordelia has been telling Dawn that she needs to not give her baby any vaccinations, even if she needs to fight with her doctor about it.

What is my responsibility here?

Dawn is an adult, though a young one, and she has family and a doctor to help advise her. On the other hand, she seems to be listening to Cordelia on this matter. Do I speak to Cordelia again, like I did with the company offered flu shots? (This feels different.) Do I stay out of it? Do I step in? Most of these conversations are happening outside of work; I just happened to be there during a lunchtime chat where it was clear that this was an ongoing topic.

I’m not sure what to do. Please advise!

Yes, step in. Just as you had the standing to tell Cordelia to lay off about the flu shots, you also have the standing to tell her not to hassle coworkers about other personal health care decisions.

It would be one thing if this had just been one conversation — if the topic came up and Cordelia shared her opinion and then it was dropped. But it sounds like it’s been multiple conversations, and that’s crossing a line.

I suspect you’re feeling more hesitant because Cordelia had a horrible personal loss that she attributes to these specific vaccines. And again, one mention of “I wouldn’t vaccinate because …” wouldn’t be something you needed to intervene on. And if Dawn were seeking her out and asking for her opinion, that would be different. But if Cordelia is continuing to push it of her own volition, she’s in the wrong. Members of your team deserve to be able to go to work without being hassled about private medical decisions they make for themselves and their families.

I’d say the same if the role were reversed — if Dawn weren’t planning to vaccinate and Cordelia kept pressuring her to, at some point that would cross a workplace line too. And just as Cordelia presumably wants colleagues to respect her medical autonomy, she needs to respect theirs.

Shut it down.

I manage someone who’s bored and grumpy, I saw an anti-union training on our CEO’s credit card bill, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. I manage someone who’s bored and grumpy at work

I work on a small team and manage one person, A. The nature of A’s work can often be quite monotonous and she knew this might be the case when she joined.

A is the type of person who wears her heart on her sleeve. We’ve gotten used to adapting to her moods, but it does mean she can be quite negative during a particularly monotonous period. For example, during team meetings, she will be grumpy or moody. She will agree to do certain tasks, but then complain about them. Of course we’ve all been known to make comments like this, but her tone can be quite negative or brusque. My manager and I usually try to comment about the other valuable things she does, or lighten the mood by sharing our boring tasks too, but I’m not sure if it works and to me it feels glaringly obvious that we are trying to pacify her and she knows it.

We’ve also tried to encourage her to let off steam by messaging in Teams if there’s a particularly annoying/repetitive set of emails to respond to, and by offering to take on some of them. She has started venting a little over Teams, but usually brushes off offers of support. At times like this or when she’s having a difficult time personally, she has also seemed disengaged or demotivated in wider staff meetings or on one-to-one calls.

Though it’s not the best working environment to have a grumpy colleague, I’m glad that she is making her feelings known. However, we wonder if there is more we could do to support her. Unfortunately monotonous work will always need to be done! Do you have any advice on coping strategies for this type of work, and how I can best support her? I am not very good at being direct!

It’s true that everyone vents about their job occasionally, but most people manage to do it in a way that doesn’t regularly bring down the mood of their entire team. That’s the issue here — not that A occasionally lets off steam, but that her routine negativity is affecting the work environment for everyone else.

It also sounds like you might have inadvertently encouraged some of this — in an effort to be supportive, you’ve encouraged her to vent more. I think that’s counterproductive. If A is unhappy with her job, the solution isn’t to make everyone engage in extra emotional labor to help her manage those feelings. As her manager, the solution is to have a straightforward conversation with her along the lines of: “You’ve seemed really unhappy with your work. I want to be up-front with you that XYZ isn’t going to change; that’s the nature of the job. If you decide the job isn’t for you anymore, I’ll support you in figuring out what you want to do next. But I do need you to be realistic that as long as you’re in this position, this is the work.” That’s ultimately more supportive because it’s more realistic. Your role isn’t to coax her into liking work that she doesn’t like; it’s to be clear with her about what the job is, and what can and can’t change about it, so that she can decide for herself if it’s something she’s up for or not. You can do that kindly, but you do need to do it.

You also need to let her know that being openly grumpy on anything more than a very occasional basis isn’t okay because it makes everyone’s else’s work environment harder. That’s going to be a shift in tone from what you’ve been doing so you’ll need to think about how to navigate that in a way that doesn’t give her whiplash — but you really do need to more actively manage what’s going on.

2. My company let me buy a house, then laid me off — then pulled the rug out from under me again

I’ve had a bit of a whirlwind month at work and am feeling extremely demotivated from the fallout. I was previously a remote worker, but management encouraged me to relocate to be more competitive for promotions. I discussed this at length with both my direct manager, Sara, and others in management, who all suggested this move. I had some reservations because we are undergoing a large restructuring and the worst case scenario would be to commit to purchasing a house and then be laid off. I was reassured that there were no layoff plans for my team and ultimately purchased the house and started relocating.

Less than a full workday after I closed, Sara brought me into a meeting with some higher-ups and let me know the entire team is being offshored and all employees will be laid off at the end of the year. Internally, I was furious. It felt like management had misled me for months as I considered whether to relocate. I did not express this at the time, wanting to stay professional. In later meetings, Sara and her supervisor indicated the restructuring had created a new position that they wanted me to take. I had been doing my due diligence and applying elsewhere, including some internal transfers, but I kept in close communication with Sara about my status. I was waiting to hear from one internal position and let Sara know I expected a response on Monday and could decide then which offer I was more interested in. She seemed supportive and relayed it to the others involved, all of whom said that would be fine and they would contact me if anything changed before then.

On Monday, I was blindsided again. The other position decided to go with the other finalist. When I reached out to Sara to update, she said they had decided to offer the position to someone else because “we couldn’t wait another day.” It felt like a huge insult — they couldn’t have let me know they needed an answer sooner? Why did they tell me they would make a decision Monday and then go back on that?

I’m now stuck on what to do next. I know another position on the other team is coming open soon, and that since I was in the final two candidates before I would be a likely choice for this round. But can I really trust my workplace at all after they’ve pulled the rug out twice? Should I chalk this up to an issue with my direct manager, or should this be a red flag to get out now?

Well, we know you can’t trust Sara, who has behaved abominably. It’s true that companies usually can’t tip people off about layoffs ahead of time, but when you know someone who’s being considered for a layoff is buying a house — specifically because you have encouraged them to move — and they’ve discussed their worries about that with you at length, you can find ways to subtly hint. And then not bothering to tell you she needed your answer on the other position a day earlier, after assuring you she didn’t? There’s no excuse for that.

That’s all about Sara. I can’t say from the outside whether you should get out of your company altogether. To answer that, I’d say to look at what else you know about them: have you seen other managers treat people well and with transparency? Does this feel like an aberration for the broader company culture or is it on some level unsurprising?

You could always take the other position if it’s offered without calling off the rest of your search, and if an external offer comes along after that, your company has forfeited any expectation that you wouldn’t take it.

3. I saw an anti-union training on our CEO’s credit card bill

I work in accounting for a nonprofit. My workplace is not unionized, and I am not aware of any current efforts to unionize. Our CEO’s credit card expenses recently included a union prevention training. As I said, I’m not aware of any current efforts to unionize, but am I allowed to share this information with fellow staff who I know are pro-union and would be interested to learn this? I’m not asking about our internal policies, but rather what regulations exist regarding what kinds of information people in certain positions can share. Does the answer change if it’s just me talking with interested staff versus actual organizers for a current unionization effort? If a unionization campaign were to happen at my organization, is there anything else I should know as a pro-union person with access to all the financial data?

There are no laws that protect your right to share confidential information that you’re given access to as part of doing your job (with the exception of whistleblower laws, which this wouldn’t fall under). Your employer almost certainly expects you to not to shit-stir on the basis of what you see on the CEO’s credit card bill, and could legally fire you for abusing that access. That is true regardless of whether or not there’s an active unionization effort going on; in both scenarios, employers can require people in positions that require confidentiality and discretion to maintain that confidentiality.

For what it’s worth, you sent me the name of the training and the organization hosting it, and I don’t think it’s particularly egregious — it’s pitched as how to maintain positive employee relations so employees don’t feel they need to organize. (And yes, lots of anti-union stuff uses that framing, but I don’t think it’s the sort of thing that warrants risking your job, or that it’s a sign your CEO is actively looking to bust up unions — at least not any more than most CEOs are, which is a non-zero amount.)

4. Asking to work from home more often after a traumatic workplace event

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I got my dream job recently (thanks for your cover letter help!) and I’ve been here for five months now. This job has a really, really great hybrid policy — basically, you need to come in at least one day a week, but you can choose when that day is. It really attracted me to this job. However, employees have to work there at least a year before they can go hybrid. And I was fine with that, until recently.

I work in an office building, but the first floor is connected to a food court/mall/train station area that’s open to the public. The first floor isn’t owned by the company that employs me, so it’s not technically a part of our company, but most every employee uses it, whether it’s for the train station or for getting lunch at the food court.

There was an incident a few weeks ago where someone came in to the food court and started shooting. Thankfully, no one was killed, and the injured people will all recover. I wasn’t present (I missed it by 30 minutes) but we did have a shelter in place order for a few hours while the police arrested the guy. The shooter never came anywhere near our offices. Even if he wanted to, he would have had to get past a locked gate, two security desks, and an elevator that needs a key card (and each key card can only go to a specific floor).

I feel silly for it since it really didn’t affect me, but I kind of want to ask if I can start the hybrid work early. But at the same time, I worry that I’ll come across as trying to flout the rules or like I’m taking advantage of what happened. After all, it’s not like it’s likely to happen again. My experience with my boss and HR has been good so far, but I don’t want to push it. Would it be okay to at least try and ask? I do have a diagnosed anxiety disorder, but should I disclose that? Or would it be best to wait out the remaining seven months?

It’s okay to ask. They might say no, but any compassionate person would understand why you’re raising it, in light of what happened. You don’t need to mention the anxiety disorder; this is a reasonable thing one might want to ask about regardless.

However, you could also try the formal accommodations route, given the anxiety. There are reasons to be cautious about doing that, but it’s another avenue if you want it.

5. Firefighters aren’t being fed enough food

I work as a contract paramedic on wildfires. I’ve been doing this for three seasons now. Each year, I go out there and it feels like the food quality from our contractors gets worse and worse for everyone in fire camp. I’m genuinely concerned about the nutrition of the firefighters I serve. Firefighters work so hard — they need ~4,000+ calories a day to compensate for the work they’re doing — and I’m appalled at the state of the food they’re served.

To explain, catering in camp is contracted out by the federal government to the lowest-bidding private companies. In theory, this is fine. In practice, it means bidders cutting every corner they can to pocket an extra penny. 60-70% of the time, food is not great but fine. But the rest of the time, I’ve seen full-grown firefighters forced to sustain themselves on prepackaged snacks (e.g., goldfish crackers, cheap protein bars, etc.) and/or receive raw/moldy/otherwise inedible foods for breakfast/lunch/dinner in often remote locations where there are no other food options. Us medical staff get ~6-8 GI complaints per fire, and those are just the ones being reported.

How do I change this?? I’ve complained every year to my medical bosses, who all agree with me and complain up the chain as well. But barring a few specific fires that get viral attention (a Tweet about raw chicken or moldy bread getting a caterer fired, for example), I have not seen structural change. Even though there are guidelines as to what caterers have to cook, I’ve seen them violate it time and again without experiencing any consequences. Beyond my bosses, who do I contact to address the issue? It affects both me and the firefighters and I can’t figure out how to improve the situation.

I know this isn’t your typical workplace and it’s fine if you don’t have any answers, I’m just not sure where to turn for advice at this point.

I’m not sure but I bet some reader knows, so I’m printing this in the hopes that you get useful suggestions in the comment section. The inspector general for the federal agency that oversees the program? Members of Congress on the appropriate subcommittee? Someone out there knows. (And if nothing else, I suspect some reporter might be really interested in writing about it.)

how should I balance workplace red flags vs. the necessity to get a job?

A reader writes:

I’m searching for a job in the real workplace for the first time — previously I’ve only been family-employed and self-employed. So I have work experience, but not necessarily in an official workplace context.

I’ve been job-searching for four months and haven’t gotten a job yet. I’m moving to a different state now, and I’ll continue job-searching there. I already have some options to try out. My question is: is it possible to know in advance whether or not a workplace is toxic, and if I have an inkling that it is, is that something I should avoid at all costs? Or should I give it a fair chance?

I have a cool job prospect that I know I’d be qualified for, with a luxury cabin rental business. I grew up working in a family-owned cabin rental business for 16 years. This particular business is generally very well-reviewed by its guests and is considered a high-quality place.

But I know it’s possible for a business to be adored by its customers yet still have a toxic interior. I’ve read a couple reviews from people who’ve worked there, reviews that were very negative (about how bad management is, how they work you to death, etc.), with no corresponding or larger amount of positive reviews. I’ve also talked on the phone with one person in the business about setting up an interview once I’m in their state, and even the vibe I got from her on the phone wasn’t super great. But I could also be reading stuff into it, and I’m not sure how to tell.

Do I trust those reviews and my instincts and not even try for a job here? Or do I give it a chance, go for an interview, and hope I can pick up on any actual red flags during the interview?

The thing is, I genuinely wanted to work at this place. I think it’s awesome from the outside. But these things have given me pause, and I really would love to stay out of toxic work situations.

I also really need a job, though. Soon. Is the necessity of getting a job ever a good reason for getting yourself hired at a place you already think might have bad management?

I have another job option that looks better as far as workplace culture and management goes, at a library. I’d love working at a good library. It’s about twice as long a drive, though, and has lower pay from what I can tell. So I’d be spending more to commute and getting paid less than with that cabin rental business. Is better pay and lower gas cost ever a good reason for getting a job at a potentially toxic workplace?

I’m pretty terrified of potentially landing myself in a bad workplace. But I also know that I can’t be picky forever, and if I’m just not getting a job, am I being too selective in my desire to avoid difficult environments/situations?

Well, there are lots of flavors of bad management, and some of them are more tolerable than others. There’s management that’s bad because they won’t set clear expectations, or flip-flop on decisions. There are managers who won’t deal with problems, or don’t recognize good work, or don’t train people correctly. There are managers who expect unreasonably long hours, or don’t pay fairly, or make promises they don’t deliver on. There are micromanagers, absentee managers, lazy managers, tyrants who yell … and on and on. You might be able to work reasonably happily in some of these scenarios and would be miserable in others. And there’s variation from person to person; some people are perfectly happy in cultures that others can’t stand, and vice versa. (Although I would say unreasonably long hours should be on everyone’s “no” list, unless you have deliberately agreed to that in exchange for commensurate pay.)

So just hearing somewhere has bad management doesn’t tell you everything you need to know. It’s absolutely a sign to be cautious — something’s going on there that you need to dig into more. But the specifics really matter.

And of course, the more options you have, the pickier you can be. Sometimes, yes, people do take jobs that they can see are likely to be a trash fire because they need income, and they have limited options for getting it. As you build more options for yourself, you can be choosier.

Also, though, you’re probably going to land at a bad workplace at some point in your career, just because there are a lot of them out there. And even workplaces that lots of people love could have elements about them that don’t work for you. Rather than being paralyzed by fear of finding yourself in a bad job, a more reliable move is to build trust in yourself to handle it well if you do. What that looks like will vary by person and by situation. In some cases, it will mean getting out as soon as possible. In other cases, though, it could mean detaching emotionally, maintaining appropriate boundaries, being assertive when you need to and letting the rest go, staying clear in your own head on why you’re there for the time being (like great health insurance or good pay or, hell, it just being the only thing you could find at the time), and being vigilant about not letting it recalibrate your sense of normal.

In your case, with the two prospects you’re considering: trust your instincts, but also don’t veto anything prematurely. Interview, talk to them, raise concerns if you have them (it’s perfectly okay to ask about the online critiques you saw; their response might tell you a lot), talk with others who have worked there, and gather as much data as you can. You will always be choosing between imperfect options and you absolutely shouldn’t dismiss your instincts, but the more info you can get, the better equipped you’ll be to decide what matters most to you and what trade-offs you’re most willing to make.

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my coworker won’t speak to female customers if they’re with a man

A reader writes:

I work in retail currently, after decades of doing something else. I’ve been doing this for about a year, and I’m finally becoming comfortable in the role.

We have a lot of regulars, and some of them are couples or families who always come in together as a group. I’ve noticed that every time these groups come in, there’s always just one person who interacts with me. The lead speaker/organizer might be the man, it might be the woman, or with one family it’s a frighteningly competent 13-year-old daughter. Regardless, it’s the same person every time within the family. I thought that was interesting! My wife and I do this too, but I hadn’t noticed. I take the lead when we’re shopping, she leads when we go to restaurants. We never discussed this, it happened organically. I think this says something about … something?

I’m not sure what, but I found it interesting and so I talked about it with my coworker, Fergus.

That was when he revealed to me that he never speaks to women if their partner is present. He said that “out of respect,” he would never address a woman in an inappropriate way, so as not to offend her beau.

We have a script. It’s this:
“How are you?”
“Do you need anything else?”
“Have a great day!”

There’s nothing even adjacent to romantic or sexual interest in this exchange. Do people sometimes fly into a jealous rage in this situation? That … has not been my experience. So I pushed back, and he said that if someone asked his girlfriend “how are you?” he would be very upset.

This is bats@#$ crazy, right?

Because I’ve told this story to people in my life, and they agree that he’s wrong but stop short of admitting that it’s deeply strange.

What do I do? He was pleasant when I pushed back and said he would try talking to women “as an experiment.” Is that enough? Should I do more?

As far as standing goes, I’m the most senior employee other than our manager, but I only work weekends so everyone has a stronger working relationship with each other than they have with me. I’m kind of on the outside. So my standing is mostly that I’m a woman and can speak up about misogyny.

Eeewww. Thanks, Fergus, for the big red flag warning us never to date you.

Yes, this is indeed batshit bananapants. And grossly sexist and misogynistic. The underlying belief is that women in relationships are the possessions of their male partners, and other men should not encroach on that ownership by having even incredibly mild, everyday exchanges with them (and in your place of business, of all things!) … and that women should not be assumed to want to speak for themselves, and that of course if a man of suitable age is present, he will speak on their behalf.

This is all “out of respect,” of course. Respect to the man, I guess, because it’s definitely not respectful to the woman.

What is going on with the people in your life that they don’t see this as deeply strange?! Have you checked to see if perhaps you are living in 1742?

As for what to do … approach it as a management and/or professionalism issue, if you have the standing to do that. Women can see when wait staff are ignoring us and speaking only to the men at our table! And treating us as second-class citizens is, for many of us, a huge strike against a restaurant. Also, if your coworker is genuinely concerned about appearing respectful, framing this as rude and disrespectful might rattle him. (Maybe?)

Last, any chance you have a manager who’d think Fergus’s stance is ridiculous, and would be willing to tell him that he needs to treat customers equally regardless of gender? Because this is very much management’s business; lots of managers wouldn’t be okay with an employee using gender to govern how he’ll treat customers.

manager trashes me behind my back, promoted without a raise for a “test period,” and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. I reported a manager, who’s now trashing me whenever my name comes up

I need a gut check here. This has been really bothering me but I’m not sure it’s really a big deal or if I just need to be more resilient. I previously worked on Manager A’s team. He engaged in some fairly blatant EEO violations against me. The violations were substantiated and my company’s solution, which I agreed to and found satisfactory, was to move me to Manager B’s team. I do not know whether there were additional disciplinary actions taken against Manager A (nor would I expect to know). The nature of my work dictates that I still must work very closely with Team A, despite reporting to and being evaluated by Manager B.

Since then, Manager A has continued to disparage me to my coworkers, ranging from the innocuous (e.g., facial expressions when I am talking or when my name comes up) to direct statements to them intended to question my judgment and competence. Usually I hear about this from peers on Team A, and often from multiple people saying the same thing. These coworkers mean well and are trying to keep my apprised (not intentionally stirring up drama), but I have recently asked them to stop sharing this information with me for my own mental health. I have also directly asked Manager A to address any concerns about my professional actions to either me or Manager B, to no effect. If it matters, some of the previous EEO behaviors leading to my changing teams involved Manager A threatening to poison my references in retaliation for my participation in a protected activity.

I am not overly worried about damage to my professional reputation — unsurprisingly, Manager A is widely known to be a terrible person and a terrible manager — but there is always a possibility. The primary problem is that despite my best efforts, I feel awful at work and second guess everything I do. Is this worth bringing up to HR? Manager B is alright, but extremely conflict averse and unlikely to intercede in a meaningful way. Our HR department is generally solid, which is why right now I feel like that is my only option/a good option, but I am afraid of coming off as a whiner.

It’s not whining to point out that Manager A is actively engaging in illegal behavior against you! And it is illegal — federal law prohibits managers from retaliating against employees for making good-faith complaints of harassment or discrimination (which I assume covers the EEO violations you mentioned). In fact, lawyers generally have a field day with retaliation cases, because retaliation is often much easier to prove than the original charge of harassment or discrimination would have been. If your company’s HR is even mildly competent, they’ll want to know that Manager A is opening them up to this kind of clear-cut liability.

Go back to HR and frame it this way: “I appreciate your handling of the EEO issues I raised about Manager A. Unfortunately, since then he’s been actively retaliating, such as (fill in with details of what he’s been doing). I know that federal law says managers can’t retaliate against employees for making harassment or discrimination complaints, so I wanted to bring this to your attention and ask for it to stop.”

2. How can I get team members to contribute equally to group tasks?

I am on a team of eight where some people have varying degrees of motivation to get work done. A few members end up doing way more work, including routine, maintenance, and other unsavory (but very necessary!) work that everyone is responsible for helping out on but they end up doing the lion’s share of. Another subset will spend endless hours doing personal things (reading news, Reddit, etc.) and will do work but only when prompted. My other co-lead and I have gotten some comments and have directly observed this dynamic get worse over the last few months and have decided that we need to change how things are done. Are there different ways we can track and make sure people are contributing? And how can we do this without being overly childish or demeaning towards our group?

I can imagine us implementing a chore wheel or some other type of schedule based on different tasks, but I also want to be sensitive that we’re all adults and not bleed into micromanaging.

Do you and your co-lead have the authority to simply assign work? Because that’s what you should be doing. You’d of course like to think that you could count on people to take equal shares of the work simply because the need has been pointed out to them, but what you’re seeing is that that’s not happening. You could try a meeting with the whole group where you explain the problem and ask what solutions people can suggest — and that meeting itself might prompt some people to take more of their fair share, just by calling out the issue — but unless that results in a fairly immediate realigning of who’s doing what, you need to just start assigning it.

Don’t use a chore wheel; people will find that infantilizing. You could use a work version of that, though, where you rotate tasks throughout a month or quarter — but you need to be prepared to actually assign the work rather than waiting for people to claim it voluntarily. The latter just punishes your most conscientious team members, who will step up when they see no one else is.

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3. My company wants me to start a new job without a raise for a “test period”

I have worked at my company (fintech startup) for three years in a primarily “soft skills” role and have recently been “promoted”(I use quotation marks because it is not finalized even though I have already taken on new responsibilities) to a more technically-focused position. I do not have official, resume-based experience relevant to this job title but have demonstrated aptitude over the past few years, hence the transition. This new role comes with an increased salary and requires cross-country relocation. Relocation, while difficult, is something I am willing to do.

I’ve just been advised that my new compensation, which is on the lower end of the industry standard for the position but higher than my current salary, will not be effective until I’ve been in the role for four months, contingent upon a successful “review.” I have been given no indication what a negative review would mean. Meanwhile, I am meant to start in my new role next month.

This seems outrageous to me. I’ve been doing the work for my new role, in addition to my existing responsibilities, for months as we are a small startup. If we hired a new employee, they’d be paid right out the gate, not given a reduced salary for four months as a trial, and no new hire would accept this salary for the position. I have not had many white collar jobs. Is this normal, or are my employers trying to take advantage of me and save some cash because I’m already bought in to the company?

They are trying to take advantage of you because you’re already working there, they know you want the promotion, and they think they can.

To be fair, they might legitimately have concerns about how you’ll perform in the new position; you’re untested and they might be taking a risk. They might figure that if they were hiring externally, they’d be hiring someone with a more established track record who wouldn’t be untested, and that they’re paying you less at the start because they’re giving you a chance they wouldn’t give otherwise.

But you also are taking a risk, with a cross-country move! And there are better ways for them to handle this; they could, for example, start you at the lowest end of the salary range and say that they’ll move you to a higher number after X months, as long as you’re performing well. And they could spell out specific metrics they want you to meet first, so that everyone is on the same page about exactly what will warrant the higher salary.

On your end, it’s reasonable to say that you’re not prepared to undertake a cross-country move without a firmer commitment from them, and that if you’re doing the work, you need to be paid fairly for it, just as they would do with an outside candidate. I would not get on a plane to make that move unless you’d be okay with finding yourself still paid at your current rate five or six months from now.

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4. My boss and I both respond to the same email requests and duplicate each other’s work

I have a coworker who will need something from a vendor and it’s my job to get those things as needed. She will email our boss and copy me, asking for it, but she does not place either of our names in the body of the email — she will just say, “I need X.” Then, if anything is unclear, my boss and I (who are in different offices) ask the same questions and we both reach out to get the thing.

Since I am his direct assistant, it makes more sense to me that she should ask me and copy him, freeing him up to do more important things. I have asked her to email me and just copy him so that he is in the loop, since he likes to be copied on everything, but we trip all over each other to get things.

Please help! If she emails him and copies me, do I ignore it? Then he may think, “Why is my assistant not getting this?” He also admits that he “gets in the way.” Maybe I should ask him what we should do when both of us are emailed so that we are both not fetching the same things or emailing the same people for the same things. Or maybe when she emails us both, I should reply right back and say, “Do you want me to get this or you?” But I think this is not a good use of time.

Everyone knows me as the one who loves to assist and be a team player. I just find this annoying as it happens a minimum of 15 times a day!

I think you’re looking to the cc field to solve this — thinking that if only your boss were cc’d instead of being in the To field, this would all get clearer — but I doubt your boss is paying that much attention to whose name is where, and he sounds like someone who’s going to rush in regardless.

Instead, you need to talk to your boss and come up with a clearer delineation of labor so that it won’t matter who is or isn’t cc’d, because there will be a clear system for who handles what. Ideally, through that conversation, you’d reach an understanding that you will handle all the requests this coworker sends unless you specifically flag for him that you need his help with something — and that he should assume you’ve got it handled unless you say otherwise. Even more ideal would be if you proposed that he not be copied on these requests at all, since including you both is causing confusion and duplication of energy! Can you point that out to him and ask if you can experiment with a week where he’s not included at all, and see how that goes? He might not agree to this, since he apparently likes to be included in everything, even while admitting he gets in the way, but it’s reasonable to propose and, who knows, he might be willing to try it if you present it as a short-term experiment rather than a permanent change.

5. How can I get people to spell my name correctly?

I have a really common name that has a couple variations on how it can be spelled (think Ashley/Ashleigh, Erica/Erika). In my professional career, I have had many people misspell my name. I don’t make a big deal out of it, but more and more often I’m seeing people who seem to consistently use the wrong spelling of my name, especially in emails (FWIW, my name is my email address, so it’s not like they don’t see it). I even had one guy who I worked with for over a decade who never once spelled my name correctly.

As I’ve said, I’ve never made a big deal out of this, but I started a new position in the last year and I’m seeing this kind of thing start again with my new coworkers. I’d like to professionally nip this in the bud without seeming like I’m going to be a pest about it. What’s the best way to put this forward (particularly in an email setting)?

You can try. Some people will just never get it (I say this as the possessor of a similar name), but you can try.

The first time it happens, you can write back, “By the way, it’s Erika with a K.” If it keeps happening, you can try, “Please note my name is spelled Erika.” Most people will make a good-faith effort to at least try to spell it correctly after that. But some just won’t — maybe they have someone in their life who spells it Erica and it’s ingrained in them that way, or who knows what — and there are only so many times you can correct people before you start looking like the infamous “don’t call me Liz” person. Obviously it’s your name and people should get it right, blah blah. And yet this is still the case. (As evidence of this, you spelled my name wrong in your email to me about name misspellings! I don’t care at all — but it underscores how common it is.)

You should certainly expect and insist that your name be spelled correctly in printed materials, but in casual emails … well, life as a one-L Alison tells me that sometimes it’s going to be wrong, and it’s much better for your peace of mind if you can choose not to care that much.

(Personally I never bother correcting people unless it’s from a close friend or relative or if it’s on something official, because to me it becomes more annoying if I have to put any energy into it. I did once correct my then-young niece because family should know better, and then for years she insisted on writing “Allllllllllison,” which she found extremely enjoyable.)

my coworker REALLY doesn’t like me

A reader writes:

I work in a small office (less than 15 of us). There’s pretty low turnover so most of us have been around for at least a year, most of us more.

I have one coworker, Paige, who is great at her job and really personable around everyone … except me. She was hired almost a year before I was. At first things seemed fine, but after a couple of months, it started to become really obvious there was a problem. She would correct me a LOT (even on things that either didn’t actually matter — think order of tasks — or weren’t actually incorrect), and she stopped chatting with me, even though we worked pretty closely due to the nature of our positions. This continued for months — random “corrections,” short and angry when she did have to talk to me, ignoring me when she didn’t. It was different than how she’d behave with other coworkers — laughing, chatting, talking about life stuff, making jokes about our work, etc. If I would chime in, she would clam up or even leave the room.

I recently took a different position a couple of months ago, one where I’m not really working directly with Paige, but due to the small office, everyone still sees and is around each other all the time. She still tries to find ways to “correct” me and is even less polite. She completely ignores me and my presence now unless she absolutely has to respond. If I say “good morning” when she walks by and there’s no one else in the area, she doesn’t even look at me, but if I have to ask her a question or someone else is around, she will answer.

This isn’t technically affecting my ability to do my work — she answers if I need to ask her something — but in all honesty, it’s disheartening. Everyone else in the office is fine and friendly with me. I don’t have to be best friends with my coworkers, but general politeness seems like a decent baseline to expect. I have no idea what about me has rubbed her the wrong way. I don’t think it matters, but we’re both women, and she’s about 10 years younger than me.

Is there anything you see here that I can do or change, or do I just need to suck it up, buttercup? Am I expecting too much?

You are not expecting too much; general civility should be a baseline expectation at work. Paige doesn’t need to socialize with you if she doesn’t want to, but she does need to speak with you politely, return basic pleasantries like “good morning” rather than pretending you’re not there (and the fact that she does it when other people are present indicates she knows that), and not aggressively correct you on things that are none of her business.

Most of us have worked with someone we don’t much like before, and reasonable people — professional people — mature people — manage to deal with that without blasting arctic air all over them.

There might not be much you can do about it, but you can try if you want to. At some point when you’re one-on-one with Paige, you could ask calmly ask about it. For example:

* “Have I done something to upset or offend you? That was never my intention and I’d want to make it right if I did.”
* “If I stepped on your toes or bothered you in some way, I’d be grateful to know so I can handle it differently.”
* “You’ve made it clear you don’t want to interact with me, but I’d appreciate a basic level of civility. Is there something I’ve done that makes that impossible?”
* “The way you treat me around the office really feels awful. Is this something we can fix?”

It might not work. She might ignore this too. Or she might act as if you’re unreasonable for thinking there’s a problem. But sometimes — not always, but sometimes — when people who behave like this are called out on it, they change their behavior. It might or might not work, but you wouldn’t be risking much by giving it a try.

Also, in an office this small, Paige’s behavior has got to be visible to other coworkers, and it sucks if none of them have taken her aside and said, “Hey, your behavior to Jane is really obvious and you should cut it out” or at least asked what’s up. You can’t really ask someone to do that for you, but if your boss is one of the people who should have noticed it, they’re being negligent by not stepping in.

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this.

my former employee is using my job and title on LinkedIn

A reader writes:

I recently discovered that a former employee took credit for my title and job during the brief nine-month period she reported to me temporarily while my assistant was on maternity leave. What’s mystifying is that she did it on LinkedIn. While we’re not connected, we share a good number of connections because we have the same colleagues!

By doing so, it appears she was able to secure a senior position, thereby skipping having to serve in a non-senior role at all.

Understandably, I’m livid at someone taking credit for my job — especially since she was completely incompetent and showed no dedication or effort to perform well while reporting to me and spent 99% of her time looking for a job.

Should I contact the new employer and inform them of her lie? Most advice I’ve seen says to stay out of it — but, since she reported to me, I’m fully aware of her propensity for unethical behavior (“little white lies” being the norm) and if I can do something to put a stop to it, I’d be happier for it.

Of course, I understand that even if I report this factual misrepresentation, the new employer could opt to do nothing, but for some reason I think I have to do it! Help — what should I do?

I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.