weekend open thread – March 29-30, 2025 by Alison Green on March 28, 2025 This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. Here are the rules for the weekend posts. Book recommendation of the week: Show Don’t Tell, by Curtis Sittenfeld. I will read anything Curtis Sittenfeld writes, including short stories, which normally frustrate me for being … short. As she has moved into middle age, so have many of her characters, including one story that revisits the protagonist from her novel Prep. (Amazon, Bookshop) * I earn a commission if you use that link. You may also like:all of my 2023 and 2024 book recommendationsall of my book recommendations from 2015-2022the cats of AAM { 918 comments }
open thread – March 28, 2025 by Alison Green on March 28, 2025 It’s the Friday open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers. * If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer. You may also like:my coworker turns everything into a doomsday scenariomy boss hasn't talked to me since his drunken stripteasehere's a bunch of help finding a new job { 951 comments }
perks for remote employees only, my mom says I shouldn’t leave a bad Glassdoor review, and more by Alison Green on March 28, 2025 It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go… 1. Perks for remote employees only Our company works mostly remotely. Employees who live locally come in one day a week. A few departments’ employees are allowed to live elsewhere in the country (this rule does not apply to all departments). Several times a year, all staff are required to come into the office for the full week. Employees who live outside the area get paid hotel rooms near the office, and expense all of their meals. Local employees, however, are required to pay for their lunch every day, as well as the additional costs of commuting for the additional days (parking is quite expensive where we work). Is there a way to make our company see how unfair this is? Or am I being unreasonable? Yeah, you’re being unreasonable! Employees traveling for work have their meals covered since eating on business trips tends to be more expensive (since you don’t have access to your own stocked kitchen). Meals and hotel rooms aren’t perks when you’re traveling for work (“perks” was the word in your email subject line to me); they’re business expenses. Some extra days in your local office but still going home each night is a very different thing than being gone for a week on a business trip. I don’t think you’re likely to get traction if you suggest that the company pay for local people’s extra commuting costs or lunches that week. (In theory it could be good for morale if your company provided lunch to everyone at least once or twice during those weeks, but it’s not outrageous that they’re not; this is just a difference in being local vs. non-local.) Related: our non-traveling employees are upset about the travel “perks” that others get 2. Being the only woman at a retreat in an AirBnB My manager, a VP, invited me to attend an upcoming director summit with five directors. While my role is more administrative, he felt my presence would be valuable. The summit is planned for the summer at a rented AirBnb with entertainment amenities like a swimming pool, game room, etc. I would need to take a five-hour road trip with one of the male directors, and the group would conduct meetings around a large kitchen table or in the living room with a projected screen. I was initially uncomfortable with the setup and expressed my concerns to my boss. He acknowledged them but emphasized that he still wanted me to attend. After discussing it with family and colleagues, opinions were split on whether this arrangement — one woman among six men at a rental property for a work event — was entirely appropriate or potentially questionable. What do you think? I don’t think it’s inappropriate, but it’s also not unreasonable if you decide that you personally feel uncomfortable with it and want to ask for separate lodgings. (I’m assuming there’s an overnight stay, given the five-hour drive.) Related: I’d be the only woman at a team-building event at my boss’s remote lake house 3. My mom says I shouldn’t leave a bad Glassdoor review for my old company I recently was terminated from a very toxic work situation, and have run out my options to legally pursue them. (The contingency lawyers basically told me I had a case but they did not feel it would be profitable enough to be worth pursuing on my behalf, and I cannot afford to retain legal representation on my own.) In place of hitting them in their wallet, where I know they would pay attention, I was at least hoping to post an honest review of the job. If I had done my due diligence in the first place, I never would have applied. I want to add my voice to the chorus of others who have proclaimed this company to be bad to work for. My issue comes because my well-meaning mother is trying to discourage me from posting anything because she is convinced that they will figure out that I posted it and come after me legally. She pointed out that I do not have the money to sue them, and I certainly do not have the money to defend myself if they try to sue me. She is also concerned that it will get linked back to me and prevent future employers from considering me. While she is right that I cannot afford to be sued, I am more dubious about her other fears. If a reputable employer is interested in what I have to offer, why should a bad relationship with a former place of employment be relevant? I have connections in the form of other employees who will and actively are giving me positive references for new opportunities. How valid are my mother’s concerns? Admittedly, she has been out of the workforce for a long time, but I frequently listen to her because she operates from a place of common sense. I have many people telling me to just do it, and many people pointing out that they have not disputed the other negative reviews so why would mine be the tipping point? I’m just truly scared of making myself undesirable to a future employer. So, how far off-base is my mother on this one? It’s incredibly unlikely that the fact that you left a negative review will somehow get linked to you in the minds of prospective employers. How would they know? The idea that it would prevent future employers from considering you is a non-issue. Where it could be an issue if your old employer figures it was you and it causes them to give you a more negative reference than they’d give you otherwise — but it doesn’t sound like you were expecting a good reference from them anyway, so I’m not sure that needs to be a real worry. (For the record, though, you may run into employers who want a reference from this company even if you’re offering up different ones, so you shouldn’t rely on “well, I just won’t give them as a reference” — but it sounds like this reference wouldn’t be great regardless of whether you leave them a bad review or not.) Moreover, you sent me the review you’re considering posting and it’s not the sort of thing that would obviously have to be from one specific person: you talk in general terms about the company culture and management, not about specific experiences unique to you. I don’t see how they’d tie it to you, unless you repeatedly raised the same issues in very loud and specific terms while you were there and no one else ever complained about those things (which, from your review, definitely sounds like it was not the case). There’s also nothing legally actionable here; it’s legal to share your opinions [and here’s Glassdoor’s own page on avoiding defamation, which explains what’s considered an opinion (i.e., not defamatory) versus “verifiable facts” (potentially defamatory if knowingly false)]. I mean, people can sue anyone for anything, but it’s incredibly unlikely that a company would feel moved to take any legal action on this. Your mom is being overly cautious. That said, Glassdoor has a bad track record on privacy so it’s always smart to use a burner email if you post there. 4. Is it normal for managers not to know how much their employees earn? A few years ago I was a line manager and hiring manager for new employees joining my team, so I knew what the salary range for the positions being filled was, had negotiating power over said range, had the final say on who we’d extend an offer to, and would communicate to HR how much we’d be offering to the candidate. I also used the knowledge of my direct reports’ compensation to fight for salary increases to improve employee retention and to make sure everyone was being paid fairly for their role, their contributions, and their job experience. I always thought this was fairly standard, but I’ve discovered that my last two line managers had no idea how much I or anyone else on my team were being paid, nor did they care to ask because the final offer to employees were decided by the CEO, as they’re the ones who have the final say on things like budgets for the company and how much they spend on new talent. My last line manager tried arguing that my salary was private information and wasn’t relevant for him to do his job, but I argued back that, without this knowledge, he had no idea if we were being paid fairly, and as the person who oversees our day-to-day work, he’s the best person to know our worth and make sure that our compensation matches our contributions to the company. I eventually left that job because not only did I find out I was being underpaid for the industry, my colleague and peer received a significant raise that wasn’t extended to me. Is this normal? Are line managers usually not told how much their direct reports are being paid? Is this not important information they should have so they can advocate for their team with senior leadership? That’s what I thought at first, but now I’m wondering if I was the outlier and line managers are usually not privy to this information due to data privacy reasons. No, managers generally know how much people on their teams are being paid, for all the reasons you say. You also need to be able to spot inequities (Persephone is making more than Cordelia, but Cordelia does a better job) and retention risks (we’re currently underpaying Cordelia for the market and risk losing her over it) and actually talk to your employees about their salaries, which is a normal thing people bring up with their managers. There are places where managers don’t have this information, but unless they’re very low-level managers, it’s usually the sign of a culture with weak management (including that managers there aren’t well-trained or supported, which can trickle down to the people working under them in all sorts of ways). You may also like:my company's accountant is nitpicking my pretty frugal travel expensesmy satellite team resents that we don't get the perks offered at our headquartersI wrote a Glassdoor review and the employer is losing their minds { 282 comments }
is it my responsibility to have a work-from-home set-up even if I don’t normally work from home? by Alison Green on March 27, 2025 A reader writes: I work for a company that has around 600 employees and several offices in a few different countries. Recently a different office was refurbished, and during the refurbishment all the employees who worked there had to work from home. It ended up taking longer than planned and they were all working from home for around two and a half weeks. Our employer is very pro-working-from-home, and I’m one of a small handful of employees who works in an office every day. I like office working, but part of the reason I do it every day is that I live in a shared apartment in an expensive city where my room could be described as “cupboard size.” There is a small table in the shared kitchen/living room which I have used to work from at in a pinch (e.g., I need to let an emergency plumber in when neither of my roommate could be at home). This is definitely not something I could do for more than a day without it being really annoying for me and my flatmates. I live within a 15-minute walk of the office so while I don’t love cupboard life, it works for me, and the crazy rental market here means I am in no hurry to look for somewhere else to live. My question is this: if a similar office refurb was announced for my office, what would my options be? Is it just an expectation for employees at work-from-homeable jobs to be able to make it work? Realistically I could ask around and find friends or family who could find the space for me to work for a week or so, but it’s quite a big favor to ask. The kind of work we do requires multiple screens to be efficient (people who work from home regularly are provided with monitors) so it’s not something I could do from a library or a coffeeshop. Could I ask my company to pay for a coworking space (one of the fancy ones with monitors) for the time spent with no office? Would it be really out of touch for me to ask? This is a hypothetical question because I don’t see it happening for my office but I’m interested to know what the etiquette is. As with so many things about work, there’s what should happen and then there’s what does happen. What should happen is that if your office expects you to work from home during something like a renovation or an electrical outage or so forth and you don’t have the ability to work from home — and you didn’t explicitly accept the job knowing that sometimes working from home would be part of the deal — they should either (a) provide alternate space for you to work from (like a coworking space) or (b) give you paid time off for that period (which shouldn’t come out of your normal vacation time, because you’re not choosing to use your time that way). What often happens in reality, though, is that you’re just expected to find a way to make it work on your own — meaning you either work from that tiny table in your shared kitchen, or you go to a coffeeshop or a friend’s house, etc. If the office disruption is just for a day or two, you might end up being given paid time off to cover it, but otherwise they’re likely to expect you to figure it out. You could probably get them to provide you with another screen though. But that’s not to say it would be out of touch to ask about options! You could definitely ask about getting a coworking space covered, particularly if it’s going to be longer than a couple of days (and if the situation is looking like it’s going to be more than a week — and especially if it’s stretching to a month or longer — your chances of them saying yes go up). You may also like:should I use vacation time when my internet goes down?is it OK to have sex while working from home?when I work from home, do I have to be AT home? { 70 comments }
updates: my friend accused me of getting him fired, the jerk on the plane, and more by Alison Green on March 27, 2025 Here are four updates from past letter-writers. 1. My friend accused me of getting him fired, but I didn’t (#3 at the link) Thanks again for publishing my question. I was nervous about submitting it but your advice helped me realize that my fellow writer and friend knew the risks of what he was doing by going against our employer’s company policy. I also realized through the comments section that I didn’t fully explain what this policy meant! As with other media outlets, our employer publication strictly forbids us from accepting trips, dinners, or expensive gifts from businesses or individuals in exchange for writing about them. It is written in our contract as well. There are writers that overlook these requirements, such as my friend, and choose to accept these comps and write articles in return. Along with my friend, I know at least two other writers who were discovered and fired for doing the same thing. Like you said, I’m guessing that my friend was fired and reacted to me out of irrational thinking. Out of the blue, he DMed me saying that I was two-faced. It seemed to have come out of nowhere. I was shocked and I didn’t reply right away or ask what this accusation was about or didn’t think about doing so. I had no idea what happened to him until hearing about it later from the media grapevine. I never found out why he would assume I would do something like this. Around the time of this happening, I had a fallout with a mutual colleague that turned out to be a complete jerk. I don’t know if she planted that idea in his head or not. A few months later, he seemed to realize that I didn’t say anything and he tried to make amends. It turned out that his editor knew what was going on and was building a case for his firing by collecting his social media postings from his trips and work dinners as evidence. We seem better now but I’ve become more cautious around him and within my work circles about who I socialize with or what I share. I’m a freelancer in a certain field that is very tight and competitive, so I’m trying to retool myself either to return to a staff position or obtain another steadier means of income. 2. A fellow conference attendee was a jerk on the airplane TL;DR: Reporting the jerk to the company seems to be the right thing to do, but doing so, even if I have a way, may not generate a desirable outcome for me. I consulted some HR professionals in my country informally, anonymously about my situation. Unfortunately, my employer’s policy does not cover people from other companies. In addition, no other parties were seemingly affected so the situation was a “he-said-she-said” one. The most important point was that HR’s function was to protect the company and not me: HR from the jerk’s company would see me as a risk to their company’s reputation. The HR from the jerk’s company would ignore me even if my message reaches their inboxes. In the future, they may ignore my job applications to reduce the possibility of a complaint. The jerk needed to cause more trouble on the flight such as a criminal act before the company HR would take action. 3. Irrational jealousy over colleague’s promotion (#80 in this speed round) My teammate who got promoted got very little training and no support in her new-to-her manager role. She was constantly told that managing is hard and is a different skillset , but wasn’t given any help developing that skillset. She stepped back down to individual contributor after only a year. Soon afterwards she quit because she was told her time as a manager had reset her time-in-grade to zero, making her ineligible for a promotion to the next IC level any time soon. Seems like I dodged a bullet! 4. How honest can I be that I need more WFH days if I’m going to stay? (#5 at the link) No joy on the extra WFH day, which is kind of unsurprising. I didn’t lay out specifically that I would be looking for work elsewhere as it just felt too much like an ultimatum. If they had been open to the option, I think they would have inquired how much of a priority it was , but their opposition to remote work kind of supersedes all. Been doing the commute for a few weeks now, it’s on public transport and I’ve been taking the early train to allow me to leave early which gets me home in time for dinner and bedtime. It’s been kind of fine! And it’s been amazing spending time in our beautiful new town. Attempting to kick the job search into gear though. Apprehensive as I feel like I will need a transfer out of my industry (dysfunctional, bad salaries abound), which feels overwhelming. Will update properly when I get the new role, fingers crossed! You may also like:is it right to fire someone for being arrested for a (horrible) crime?my coworker wants the company to pay for a week-long sex romp with his fired girlfriendhow do I explain being fired for sharing confidential info with a friend? { 56 comments }
how to serve patients when you’re feeling fragile yourself by Alison Green on March 27, 2025 It’s the Thursday “ask the readers” question. A reader writes: I’d appreciate your and other workers’ advice on how to cope providing service when you are feeling fragile yourself. I work in a somewhat frazzled, frantic healthcare environment seeing around 30 patients a day in an inner city, low income area. It’s … a lot — with very demanding patients. But I mostly enjoy it. It’s not amazingly well paid, but it pays the bills. My family is going through our own problems at the moment due to our teen’s mental health issues. There are some days before I even get to work where I’ve had to cope with an emotional tidal wave from my lovely but ground-down teen daughter who has school avoidance, anxiety, and an eating disorder. It’s pretty awful but we are holding on as a family. I’ve had days off and been erratic with sudden cancellations over the past year and work has been kind. I can’t afford an extended period off, so please don’t suggest that as it would break our family finances due to all the additional support we have to pay for our teen. There are some days where I feel like my skin is a cell thick. The usual patient problems about running late or having to coax a patient through a nerve-wracking procedure, etc. leaves me feeling wrung out. I’m normally smiley and reassuring but right now I want to switch to “low battery mode” and not give so much to them right now. I don’t really know how to do that. As for self care? I’m doing all the things I should (yoga, breathing, healthy diet, talking to friends), but work is a different issue. How to create a firewall around my emotions so I can cope with being shouted at by patients because we are running late or help them inch-by-inch through their anxieties when I feel as though my own anxiety is going to have me sobbing on the floor in the middle of the appointment? Is that possible? Readers, please weigh in via the comment section. You may also like:what does self-care look like at work?our boss gave a lecture about self-care to our very overworked teampatients at my sleep clinic want to sleep naked, upgrading business flights and hotel rooms, and more { 313 comments }
employee isn’t clearing decisions with me, I don’t want baby gifts, and more by Alison Green on March 27, 2025 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. My employee isn’t clearing decisions with me and argued with me at a staff meeting I am the executive director of a nonprofit, without any formal management training. I raised $1.5 million last year and we now have some new staff people, including a male technical expert who makes more money than I do (but reports to me). Today he got excited about attending a trade expo that I had previously considered and didn’t assign anyone to go to, because the demographics are on the young side for our program, so it’s not a top priority. My employee got invited by a buddy of his in the industry, announced he was going, and invited two other coworkers to go with him, without ever running it by me first. He did this on a Teams chat. Which I interrupted by saying I wasn’t planning to send anyone to this event. And when he argued on the chat, I said I’d like to speak with him directly. I need to calm down and figure out what to say before I talk with him. My main thought is to ask to help me understand what his thinking is and why it seems so important for him to go, and then to ask what kind of return we might expect on that investment of his time. He just went last week to a conference that we had to pay $500 for, so he could network with employer partners. However, coming back, he said he didn’t really talk with anyone. Except one person, who is the same person who invited him to this next event. I could use some help thinking about how to hold him accountable, without being seen through the lens of sexism as a complete bitch. Well, first, get the worry about being seen as a bitch out of your thinking as much as possible. It is a real thing for women in positions of power, but you will be a lot more effective if you don’t let that fear constrain you. Care about your relationships with people, of course, because that’s part of being an effective leader, but you can’t let that prevent you from having direct conversations with people. (And frankly, some people are primed to see women exercising authority as bitches no matter what you do, so you might as well just carry on with your job and get things done. Let the people who have a problem with that self-identify.) As for this conversation: go into it open to the possibility that he just didn’t know how this works in your organization, since in previous jobs he may have had the authority to decide what events he was going to attend, could invite others, etc. Explain to him how it works in your org and for his job — that you want to talk through potential events before he signs up, and you should both be assessing them through a lens of the likely return on investment. Share your reasons for being skeptical about this one, ask for his perspective, and then go from there. You can also explicitly say that since he came back from the last one reporting he hadn’t spoken to anyone, you want to get better aligned about the goals for these events and what he’ll achieve there. I think right now you’re approaching this as a challenge to your authority, but you’ll have better results if you approach it — at least initially — as just needing to get better aligned. The process of doing that will make your authority inherent without you needing to spell it out (and if that turns out not to be the case, it’ll highlight that there’s a bigger problem you need to address). 2. Manager is asking to see all the candidates for open jobs, but it’s my job to screen them I work in HR as the recruiter for my small company. Recently, a director of a department has been asking to see the candidates before I process them. He has done this in two different times. I talked with my boss, and he never did it when my boss was in my current position. I don’t know what I should do. Recently he demanded to see all the candidates for another position. I let him see them all but I feel that I am encouraging the behavior to continue. I want him to feel that I can do my job but I also want to put up a boundary because I work in HR, meaning I am dealing with sensitive information he isn’t allowed to see. What are your thoughts? I’m on his side! Managers should be able to see all the candidates for any position on their team if they ask to; in fact, I’d encourage them to do that at least occasionally, because it’s a way to spot-check that they’re well aligned with whoever is doing the screening. It’s a way for you both to find out, for example, that you’re screening out people for lacking X when the hiring manager doesn’t actually care that much about X, especially when someone has Y, or all sorts of other things. You should want managers involved in this way, because it will help you refine your process; they will typically understand the nuance of what will make someone successful in the role in a way that someone outside their team won’t, so having their involvement is a good thing. There’s no sensitive information in applications that managers can’t be permitted to see. (I wonder if you mean answers to EEOC demographic questions, but those are required by law to be kept separate from applications anyway.) That said, the fact that he’s asking to do this when he didn’t ask it of your predecessor likely means something. It could simply be that you’re new to the position and so he wants to be more involved until he’s confident you know how to screen well for roles on his team (totally reasonable if so). Or he could be concerned about the candidates you’ve been sending and so he’s gathering more info (also reasonable, but also something he should be up-front with you about). Or it could be something else — but start by assuming it’s a reasonable request. You can always ask him if there’s anything about way you’re screening for his jobs that concerns him. 3. Employees want to give me baby gifts, but I don’t want them I’m currently pregnant with my second baby. My first was also born while I was working at this same company, but in the four years since he was born, I have moved up the ranks from an individual contributor to a director with 10 direct reports. Our company is also mostly remote — three of my team are hybrid in an office, but the rest of the team, including me, are remote. When I was pregnant with my first, my boss at the time organized a virtual baby shower, which was nice, and two of my very close colleagues and my boss sent me nice (and unexpected) gifts. This time around, I’ve had two of my direct reports specifically ask me for links to my baby registry, address, etc., as they want to give gifts. However, I do not want them to give gifts — especially after reading AMA for years, I know gifting up is a big no-no, especially since I know how much they all make and I don’t want them spending their hard earned money on me! The most I’d accept would be a card, but I know if I give anyone my address, they will start sending gifts, even if I make it clear I don’t want any. As a result, I feel like I can’t even share my address with my team. I don’t want to seem ungrateful, but I need to find the right words to say, “I appreciate the thought, but please don’t.” “It’s so kind of you to ask, but we are swimming in baby stuff from the first one, and just your well wishes are all I want!” If you didn’t already have the first baby to lean on, you could use a slightly different formulation: “It’s so kind of you to ask, but my family went a little crazy and we already have more baby stuff than we need” or so forth. Also, if your team has done virtual showers for other new babies, check in with whoever tends to organize those and make sure they know you don’t want one. 4. Can my salaried husband be switched to hourly pay? My husband, “Bob,” has worked for many years for a very small company that provides a professional service to clients where the client is billed based on the hours of work provided, and there can be very busy crunch periods depending on the needs of the clients (think consulting). Bob’s job involves some billable work and some internal work for the company that can’t be directly billed to clients. All the work he does is highly skilled and requires specialized knowledge. Up until recently, Bob has been paid a fixed salary. During crunch periods when there’s a deadline for a client, he can work very long hours, but during slow periods it can sometimes be a struggle to find enough work to do. The company has not been bringing in as much business lately, leading the owner (his boss) to feel some financial stress. As a result, he’s asked Bob to move to an hourly pay structure. He wants him to “aim for” 30 hours a week, but the hours would be totally dependent on the amount of client work available for him. His boss is willing to guarantee him a minimum of 20 hours a week (as in, if there is zero client work, he can do up to 20 hours a week of non-client work), but beyond that, his workload is totally dependent on how much client work is available. If they are in a crunch period, he would still be expected to work as much as needed (and would be paid time and a half for overtime). Bob does not love this set-up. He would actually be fine working a 30-hour a week schedule for three-fourths of his prior salary, but the system his boss has proposed puts him in a position where he never knows how much he will need to work in a given week, plus he is still expected to be responsive to clients whenever they reach out (typically multiple times a week) and be available for meetings as needed, so he can’t plan for his time off. Is this legal? And what is his best path for pushing back on this change? Yes, it’s legal. It sounds like he’s changing Bob to a non-exempt status, where he’s paid by the hour (with a minimum of 20 hours guaranteed) and will earn overtime for anything over 40 hours in a week. If the boss weren’t offering the overtime pay, it would be illegal but since he is, it’s all by the book. It sounds like the crux of the problem is that Bob is expected to maintain total availability each week, while potentially only being paid for 20 hours. If I were in Bob’s shoes, I’d look at how much overtime he’s likely to earn — if with the time and a half it’s enough that it works out close to what he was making previously, this might work out fine. But if the overtime won’t come close to making up for the pay cut, he can try pointing out that he’s being asked to hold complete availability from week to week without getting paid for it, and see if they can negotiate around that. If the company just isn’t bringing in the same revenue anymore, there might not be any room to negotiate and Bob may have to decide if he wants to stay under these new conditions or leave. But it’s reasonable to open a discussion about it. 5. How can I find out more about a job when the interview process is really short? I’m a recently (illegally) fired federal employee, and some state and local governments have been doing amazing and much appreciated work to try to recruit federal employees, including job fairs and expedited hiring processes. I recently had an interview with an agency for a job that I became connected to through a job fair that sounds like a potentially good fit, but the interview was very short and left almost no time for my questions. Apparently the next stage in the process is to extend an offer. I’ve never had such a short job application process and am wondering what the best move is to get more information to consider whether I would accept it if I were offered it. I’m used to having multiple interviews and opportunities to talk with staff/colleagues during the process. I was going to ask the HR person if I could set up additional time to chat with the hiring manager, but do I do so after I get the offer when I have more leverage? I’ve also separately been trying to find some potential colleagues through my networks to get a sense of the job but so far have not been successful. I appreciate any thoughts you have about the best way to approach this! Yes, wait until you have an offer and at that point you can say, “Would it be possible for me to set up a call with the hiring manager before accepting? I have some questions about the role that I didn’t have a chance to ask at my interview.” You may also like:how to tell an employee to stay in their lanean employee 2 levels down refused to meet with meis it discrimination that all the moms in the company have to have childcare but the one dad doesn't? { 334 comments }
how to get people to answer my questions, without sounding rude or snarky by Alison Green on March 26, 2025 A reader writes: I need help figuring out how to point out to someone they haven’t answered my question in a way that doesn’t sound rude. I’m a 40-year-old woman who has recently been diagnosed with both ADHD and auditory processing disorder. I’ve found that this is the reason why I have a hard time holding a lot of verbal information in my head. And this is why for my entire life I’ve been dealing with a communication problem that I don’t know how to handle. The problem is this: I ask someone a question, but they don’t answer my question. They reply with a word salad of vagueness and unnecessary information, and I’m left not knowing what the answer to my question is. I’ve had this problem both communicating in person and via instant messaging platforms such as Teams. I’ve encountered this problem with several different coworkers at various companies over the past 20 years. Here are examples of conversations I’ve had. Please note these are not word for word what was said, because I can’t remember exactly what was said. Example #1 (in-person conversation) Me: Hey, Bill, do you have any meetings scheduled today? Bill: I was going to have a meeting with Bob but he canceled on me. They are scheduling way too many meetings for me I can’t get any work done blah blah blah blah… At this point my brain gets overwhelmed with all the unnecessary information and I walk away. And 20 minutes later, I realize they never answered my question. Example #2 (in-person conversation) Me: Hey Peter, I’m getting ready to order the teapots, I just wanted to verify that nothing’s changed. We still need five, correct? Peter: Well, Joanna thinks we only need three, but I think we need more like eight. Last time we went with seven and that still wasn’t enough. Me (trying to process): Um, okay, so … um … how many should I order this time? Peter: See, once we get this new automated ordering system in place, we won’t have to go through any of this manual ordering. All that will need to be done is push a button and everything’s done. No need for manual entry. Me: Yeah, I hear ya. But in the meantime we still have to do it the old way, so how many teapots should I order? Peter: I used to order 10 teapots every month, but that got to be too much. And I need to renew our Peppermint license. Me: Wait a minute, I thought we agreed that we weren’t going to use Peppermint anymore? That it was causing too many problems? Peter: Bob said he didn’t think it was that big a deal. Me: Not a big deal? It’s making our teapots run slow, we talked about this in last week’s meeting, I thought we all agreed we were going to start using Chamomile tea from now on? Peter: Chamomile is crap, it never works like it’s supposed to. And then we go back and forth about which tea we said we were going to use and 20 minutes later when I’m back at my desk, I realize Peter never told me how many teapots to order. I also encounter this problem with instant messaging like Teams. Conversation #3 (instant messaging) Me: Hi Michael. The Jersey store has a new employee, Peter Gibbons. I was just checking to see if you’ve sent him the electronic onboarding packet yet? Michael: Hey! I wait for him to answer my question, but he doesn’t. So after waiting about 15 minutes, I message again: Me: Hi Michael. So the Jersey store has a new employee, Peter Gibbons. I’m just double checking that you’ve sent them their onboarding packet? Michael: I’ve only used the onboarding function primarily for the California and Texas locations. Usually, when we already have the employee’s information, the previous accountant would just add them to the system. I’m working on giving access to the general managers to send it themselves, but I’m still working on it. Me: Okay, thanks but I feel you didn’t really answer my question. I’m just trying to confirm if you’ve sent Peter the onboarding package or not? I wait and after 10 minutes they respond. Michael: No, I have not. Me: Okay, thanks. When I told a friend of mine about conversation #3, she said I was rude. Over the years I have encountered this situation both at work and in personal relationships, so I know it is going to keep happening to me. Yes, it is a little easier for me to collect my thoughts when communicating via email, but sometimes I’ll send an email and the other person will call me on the phone or come over and talk to me in person about the email, so I can’t always get around not talking in person. So can you provide me with the words I can say when a person doesn’t answer my question, both in person and instant messaging, that doesn’t come across as rude or snarky? I think anyone, diagnoses or no diagnoses, would find the first two conversations frustrating! You asked a direct question and got a bunch of information that didn’t answer it. The basic formulation to use when that happens: “Understood! What I need to know is X, because of Y — can you tell me that?” So it could sound like this: You: Hey, Bill, do you have any meetings scheduled today? Bill: I was going to have a meeting with Bob but he canceled on me. They are scheduling way too many meetings for me I can’t get any work done blah blah blah blah… You: Understood! I’m trying to see who’s available to meet with a new client today — do you have time this afternoon? You: Hey, Bill, do you have any meetings scheduled today? Bill: I was going to have a meeting with Bob but he canceled on me. They are scheduling way too many meetings for me I can’t get any work done blah blah blah blah… You: Understood! Do you have anything that is still on the schedule for today? I’m trying to figure out which conference rooms will be free and when. Bill: I was going to to use the Oatmeal Lounge at 2, but now I don’t know because blah blah blah… You: OK! I need to know which conference rooms will be open. It sounds like I shouldn’t plan on that one, but if it frees up, can you tell me? (Restating what you need from him and why, and asking for specific actions.) You: Hey, Bill, do you have any meetings scheduled today? Bill: I was going to have a meeting with Bob but he canceled on me. They are scheduling way too many meetings for me I can’t get any work done blah blah blah blah… You: I’m trying to figure out when the Oatmeal Lounge will be free. Do you have anything scheduled in there today?: In your example #2, you did a good job of restating what you needed, but then Peter introduced a curveball that was important to talk about too (the peppermint situation) and you didn’t realize until later that you never got back to your original question. In that case, once you realized that, you should just go back to Peter and say, “We got sidetracked about peppermint and we never nailed down how many teapots I should order. Can you give me the exact number you want me to order?” In fact, whenever you realize later that your brain got overwhelmed and you didn’t get the answer you needed, that’s the approach to use: go back to the person, name what happened (“I realized we didn’t nail this down”), and ask again. You don’t need to feel weird about that; that’s a thing that happens sometimes, and it’s fine to just be super matter-of-fact about “whoops, just realized I still need info on this.” Because you’re feeling frustrated, I think you’re worried that going back a second time to say, essentially, “dude, we still haven’t resolved this” will seem aggressive (because you’re feeling kind of aggressive at that point), but it’s a normal and commonplace thing that happens, and they don’t need to know you’re privately aggravated. The third conversation is interesting because in that one, I think Michael did answer your question. You were looking for a yes or no, and he didn’t give you one of those words, but he did give you the substance of a no: you asked if a New Jersey employee received an onboarding packet, and he replied that he’s only sending those for California and Texas locations. When you responded that that didn’t answer your question, that’s the piece that’s reading as rude to your friend — because it came across as a bit like, “I am demanding that you answer me in a very literal yes/no format, regardless of what you just said.” I can see where you weren’t 100% sure from Michael’s initial response (he said he was using the onboarding function primarily for California and Texas locations, which leaves room for occasionally using it elsewhere), but it would have been more polite/collegial to reply with something more like, “So just to confirm, Peter Gibbons didn’t get one, right?” A lot of handling these conversations without sounding snarky is just about: * Restating what you need if you don’t have an answer yet — and explaining why, which can help people narrow in on what will be helpful to share and what won’t. I know you’re thinking it should be clear to them at the start, but it’s common for the other person’s answer to be affected by their own frame of reference/priorities/current focus, which may be different from the ones you have in play. * Being matter-of-fact and not letting your frustration show — trying to see it as “hmmm, that didn’t work because humans are human-ing, let me try again” rather than “WTF is up with this word salad?” * Instead of focusing on “how to point out someone hasn’t answered my question,” focus on “how to get this question answered” — which is a subtle difference, but a real one. The point isn’t to make them understand they haven’t answered you; the point is just to get the answer. * Being willing to go back after the fact if you realize you’re still not clear. You may also like:what should I do if I need more time to think of an answer to an interview question?my coworker won't answer my emailsmy manager says my shyness is seen as rudeness { 372 comments }
update: my boss never praises my work by Alison Green on March 26, 2025 Remember the letter-writer whose boss never praised their work? Here’s the update. My undying thanks to you and all the commentariat for your compassionate take and excellent advice: I needed to get out of that job. It was advice that didn’t land well at the time, because my morale was so shot that I didn’t even see the point in job-hunting. How could I hope to get a better job when I’d clearly never gotten good at this one, which was for an organization I adored, using the skill set I was educated in? Still, where self-esteem fails, spite finds a way. Every time my boss did something that made me want to scream at her, I took a deep breath, smiled, and after work, sent out a job application somewhere. I had no actual hopes of getting hired anywhere (see: self-esteem=0), but it was like hitting a punching bag in terms of dealing with frustration. But then, to my astonishment, I got an offer! With a raise! Here’s where I didn’t take AAM advice: I went to my boss and asked her if the org would match the offer I’d received. I know, I know … Keep in mind, I was terrified of change, concerned that I’d be as lackluster in this new role as my boss clearly thought I was in this one, and … well, the petty part of me wanted to see if I could force one measly shred of validation out of her. “What are you making now?” she asked, in response to my query. I told her. (Keep in mind: I was 50% of her direct reports, and my pay had not changed since the last time I’d asked for a raise. We’d had cost-of-living adjustments traditionally but Covid shot those out of the water.) “Oh, that can’t be right,” said she. “I’ll check with Finance. You’re making more than you think you are.” So I had an evening to mull over that peculiar statement. Was there a paperwork error someplace? Was she trying to get into a gross vs. net debate? Did she just think I was spectacularly stupid? In the morning, she reaffirmed. “I’ve talked to Finance, and I’m right. You’re making more than you think you are.” (Reader, I was making $32K.) “However, the organization can match the new offer.” But … I was done. I politely informed her that I’d decided the new opportunity was the way to go, gave my two weeks’ notice, smilingly attended a farewell party in boss’s backyard with all of boss’s work friends and none of mine, and two weeks and one day later I was walking into my new job. New job is AWESOME. It was a move from nonprofit development into higher ed, supporting several departments whose subject areas are right up my alley. I get stellar reviews from the faculty I support and from my supervisor. I feel good at my job, every day. There was another raise after a year. And best of all — a few months ago, a couple of “my” professors invited me out to dinner with them, and once they had me trapped in a booth at Texas Roadhouse, they announced, “You’re smart. We like you. We’re confused as to why you’re just doing an admin job and not getting a Ph.D. We will write you recommendations and want to be on your committee.” So, it’s official as of yesterday — I’m doing a doctoral program, free with my employment benefits! When I told my (wonderful) supervisor that it was something I was thinking about tackling, her immediate, no-hesitation response was, “Amazing! Yes, I 100% support you in this. :-)” So, whatever the problem was — a bad manager, a bad employee, just a bad job fit — the solution was, as so often: listen to the excellent advice at AAM. Yours most sincerely, Me Someday soon, Dr. Me You may also like:my boss never praises my workI might not have the skills for the job -- should I point that out to my interviewer?I reported my boss's boss for racism and now feel guilty { 233 comments }
my employee wants us to stop ordering “unhealthy snacks” by Alison Green on March 26, 2025 A reader writes: I work in a small workplace, we’re about 40 employees. When I started at the company about five years ago, I started ordering granola bars and some treats. Then I started adding on some fizzy drinks and then progressed to some other snacks, like nuts, fruits, and cookies. None of this is supposed to be the only food people eat, but it’s nice to have some quick to grab in the middle of a busy day. I have an employee now who manages the stocking of this, plus coffee, tea, milk, and cream. An issue has arisen because we have a coworker who is vegan and he’s decided that we need to stop bringing in what he deems to be unhealthy snacks. Which are basically any processed foods. He’s brought this up to me, to my employee, and to our Health and Safety committee in their quarterly meeting. He obviously has strong beliefs about what people should be eating. When he came to me about it, I told him that we are all adults and that everyone has the right to choose what food they wish to eat. What I wish I had said to him is that unsolicited health advice is not okay. People are not coming to work to be lectured on what he believes is healthy eating. I don’t make him listen to rants about why he should eat meat, because these are individual choices that people need to make. On top of this, I think we need to respect that many people have complicated relationship with food, and he is trying to put his nutrition beliefs on others in a space that should be not about this. He’s also made unsolicited remarks about what coworkers are eating, to coworkers who were not discussing food in any way. While I believe he has good intentions, I think he’s overstepping. What is the best way to tell him to keep his beliefs to himself (on top of the fact that he’s not a trained nutritionist)? I just want a good way to shut him down that’s not too confrontational, because he does make me want to be. Yeah, you absolutely need to shut him down. He’s being rude and obnoxious, and because it’s happening at work, his coworkers are a captive audience for it. No one has asked for his evaluation of their diets, and he needs to respect people’s autonomy and privacy and stay out of their food choices. For the record, that would be true even if he were a nutritionist. Unless he were their nutritionist, it would still be overstepping and out of line to go around critiquing what people eat. (In fact, here’s some fun reading: my company’s pushy new dietician won’t leave me alone, and the update.) I’m not entirely sure whether you’re this guy’s manager or not, but I think you are. (I hope you are!) If so, sit down with him and say this: “I should have been clearer when we last talked about this. I need you to stop commenting on other people’s food choices, unless they actively and specifically request your critique. You are welcome to have whatever private opinions you’d like about what other people eat, but you cannot continuing critiquing their diets in our office. It’s unwelcome, people deserve to be able to come to work without having to fend that off, and it’s going to affect your working relationships with people.” (I deleted that clause because it’s better not to muddy the waters; just stick with “you need to stop.”) If he brings up the office-provided snacks again, you should say, “If there are specific snacks that you would like us to add to what we’re providing, you can absolutely submit suggestions for them. I am open to making additional things available, but we’re not going to restrict what we provide based on one person’s preferences.” You might add, “It’s becoming disruptive to continue bringing this up, so I need you to accept that that’s the final answer.” If you’re not his manager and he’s just a coworker who you have no authority over, the framing would be more like this: “I want to ask you to stop commenting on other people’s food choices. I don’t know if you realize how often you do it, but people deserve to be able to come to work without having their diets critiqued, and I think you’re really alienating people. That’s before we even get into how fraught food issues can be for people, which isn’t something anyone should have to share to be left alone.” (There’s additional advice here if he’s not someone you manage.) You may also like:how can I get my coworkers to chip in for snacks, everyone but me is going on a business trip, and moremy coworker is always dieting -- do we have to accommodate her?should I stop bringing in treats for my team? { 511 comments }