is it OK to ask my team to do working lunches? by Alison Green on October 29, 2024 A reader writes: I have a question about working lunches. I manage a small team, and I recently held a brainstorming session for some professional development ideas for next year that the whole team can participate in. One of the options I suggested is (company-sponsored) lunch and learns, where we watch a work-related webinar and debrief, invite an expert to present on a relevant topic, or have a team member present on a special skill. These are pretty common at many corporations, and I was thinking maybe quarterly at most. One of my employees (who is new to the industry and has been here about a year) said, “I don’t want lunch and learns. I get paid to work eight hours a day, so why would I work nine?” I found this so very off-putting. But I need a sanity check. I don’t particularly want to work nine hours a day either (or eight, or seven…). But we’re salaried, and I think company-provided working lunches are pretty common in this type of work. I’m not attached to the idea and will scrap it if no one wants to do it; I just want to know if I’m off-base by being so annoyed at that response. This employee has expressed aspirations of taking on more responsibility and being promoted, but I didn’t get promoted by expressing opinions like that (and this isn’t a generational conflict — we’re the same age). Is this something I need to address, or is this just the prevalent mentality that I need to get over as a manager? It’s true that lunch-and-learns and other working lunches are very common; you’re not coming up with an odd or outrageous idea. It’s also true that they encroach on time that would otherwise be employees’ own, and people aren’t wrong to dislike them for that reason. If your team doesn’t currently have a culture of doing working lunches, adding them in is going to frustrate some people (especially people who use lunch to decompress and not be “on,” or to handle errands or personal calls, and so forth). Moreover, if watching work-related webinars or listening to experts present serves a business need that you want people to prioritize, why does it have to happen over lunch rather than during regular work time? Carve out real work time for it if it’s important. And if it’s not important enough for that, maybe it’s not important enough to expect people to give up a lunch break for. And again, I know it’s the norm in some fields. But since it’s not currently the norm on your team, why add it in when you don’t have to? All that said, “I get paid to work eight hours a day, so why would I work nine?” isn’t the way being salaried works in a lot of fields, and if you see other signs that your employee is bringing that mentality to the job in ways that will cause problems, that’s worth addressing — if only to clarify what they can expect in your field. But I would also be wary of thinking “I didn’t get promoted by expressing opinions like that” — because the culture is changing around this kind of thing, and that’s a good thing and we should welcome it. If you can point to specific ways that mindset will be a problem in your field — like, for example, that people sometimes need to respond to client needs outside of business hours — you should. But if you’re just bristling at the sentiment on principle, challenge yourself on that and ask if it’s genuinely wrong or just different than how you’re used to thinking. A note: I expect to see a lot of “lunch-and-learns are an inappropriate encroachment; never do them” in the comment section. But they’re a very common thing in many fields, and it’s naive to pretend they’re not. Still, though, it sounds like they’re not currently the norm for your team, and there’s no pressing need to change that. You may also like:is being salaried a scam?deli meats and working lunches, internal candidates need not apply, and morecan I turn down business lunches as an intern? { 516 comments }
can I ask why my coworker was fired? by Alison Green on October 29, 2024 A reader writes: I have always thought of my job as a place where people didn’t get fired unless they were obviously and consistently bad at their jobs. I have been here for six years and I know that when we get the “goodbye so-and-so” emails from HR about people unexpectedly leaving, that probably means they were fired. When people leave because they got a new job or otherwise leave on good terms, they usually announce it themselves, with their final date of employment listed so we can wrap up any projects, and they typically include lots of thank you’s and appreciation for their coworkers. So when the news comes from HR without any advance notice, I assume it was probably a firing. Based on what I know about how our company is run, I also assumed the fired people probably had been warned or otherwise had known that their performance wasn’t up to par. And while I haven’t been privy to details, when it’s happened in the past I haven’t ever been surprised. However, in the last couple of weeks, two employees were (I assume) let go about a week apart from each other. I don’t think either of their firings had to do with the other. We got the typical emails from HR saying the company has ended their relationship with each person, contact their manager for project questions, and we wish them the best. What has me thrown is that both of these people were, in my opinion, stellar coworkers who had been with the company for years, one almost for a decade. This workplace is low drama, low gossip, and what I would consider healthy. But this has thrown people into a tizzy. One of the fired people was the cousin to a current employee and I think a lot of folks want to ask her about it, or ask what happened. I don’t know if anyone has. But everyone is really confused, and personally I am worried! What could have happened to these seemingly high-performing employees to have caused them to lose their jobs? And who could be next? So my question is, what kind of questions are appropriate to ask, and to whom? Do I just need to accept that the people who make firing decisions know what they’re doing and have their reasons? Is it ever appropriate to ask why someone was fired and to express that it’s making me nervous? I know I’m not alone in this and the whole episode has caused our quiet company to descend into gossip and fear because we don’t get it. What is the best course of action here, if any? You can read my answer to this letter at New York Magazine today. Head over there to read it. You may also like:my company fired a bad employee, then un-fired him the same daymy boss was suddenly fired and my employees are freaking outshould we put off firing an employee for several months so he doesn't violate probation? { 136 comments }
at what point can I report my inappropriate and inflammatory coworker? by Alison Green on October 29, 2024 A reader writes: I’m having an issue with a coworker who I find deeply irritating and, frankly, am embarrassed to be professionally associated with. I have reported her more egregious actions to our manager and, after my second complaint, started documenting behavior but I don’t know what is actionable and what is petty and interpersonal. I’m also having trouble feeling confident in my judgment in this because she is very well liked by everyone but me and is currently being pursued for a full-time position within the company in a different department. I don’t know if they are aware of how she is but I assume so. She’s not shy. I’m going to call her Kevina after the gloriously infamous Kevin. My coworker has a habit of saying things that are inappropriate, inflammatory, or politically charged because she thinks it’s funny. It’s constant. I have made two complaints to our manager about her behavior so far because they seemed actionable. The first complaint was when she was bragging about using a random website to find part of my Social Security number. We have access to a system that contains thousands of people’s SSNs, including my own, so this felt like something I should tell my boss. The second complaint was when Kevina came into the office and told us all the reasons she thinks businesses should be able to refuse service to gay people, loudly, while standing five feet away from a customer. After each complaint, my boss acknowledged that she knows Kevina says inappropriate things and that she “would talk to her.” Three days after the second report, Kevina starts the shift quiet until she makes a 9/11 joke and moves a stapler through the air while making airplane noises with her mouth and tries to get others to set up water bottles to be her Twin Towers (they refuse). Thirty minutes later she starts telling us in detail how to make a capless water bottle into a dangerous projectile in response to hearing an event hosted by our employer is going to be capless to prevent bottles being used as dangerous projectiles. That was after the second talk, according to my boss. I’ll include other examples of things she’s said at the end for transparency but it’s just a lot. I’m leaving in two months anyway, so I’m not interested in making this situation better for myself, I’m purely interested in making an HR complaint because it’s absurd that she’s gotten away with acting like this for so long and my manager needs some checking up on for allowing it. That’s just my opinion, though, and I’m doubting myself a bit here. What sorts of things do you consider worthy of documenting for HR that aren’t overtly illegal and what would just be interpersonal? Also my complaints would have to be waterproof because she’s autistic and my company has a history of dismissing complaints against people with disabilities, including a sexual harassment complaint against her, according to her. And here are those extra examples for context and catharsis: In the past she has told the whole office, including our boss, that she drives drunk and how dangerous she finds it, talked about her gambling addiction and losses, her wish to open a gun store that gives free alcohol with gun purchases, we should “build a wall” between our department and another and attributes complaints to “Biden’s America,” asks the veterans in the adjacent office if specific guns can actually kill people (she has since obtained a firearm that she keeps a secret from her roommates), and went around the office asking for a razor blade so she could cut and snort a pack of Smarties. And then did. Off the desk in the customer-facing front office. She’s sent someone about three levels up from us a Slack asking if she can drink non-alcoholic beer on the clock, on multiple occasions said that our theme for the office decor competition should be the January 6th Insurrection, spent about three weeks asking every male courier who came in the office if they were single and wanted to date a single mom (if nobody tells her to stop, is it sexual harassment?), tried to gather coworker support for a “free Diddy walk-out,” and told a coworker who had just told a light-hearted story about her teenage son doing something silly that she should “follow the American tradition and beat him with a belt and hang him upside down from a drying rack.” She’s also started saying “Ohmm Shaman God” in a weird voice as a sort of prayer? I honestly don’t know why that started, that might just be annoying. I’ve omitted a lot that’s probably just annoying and a few similar to what I’ve listed because it’s been constant for months. Again, thank you for any semblance of sanity you could provide. Oh my goodness. All of this is over-the-top ridiculous and offensive, but the “free Diddy” walk-out at least made me laugh (though there is nothing funny about Diddy), as did the snorting cut-up Smarties. Anyway, it’s definitely true that when you have a coworker who’s this inappropriate, you can start to question what’s actionable versus what’s just personally annoying, but there’s plenty here that a responsible company would act on: the Social Security numbers (!), the instructions for making dangerous projectiles (!), the overt political posturing, the gun talk, the snorting substances while customer-facing, the bigotry toward gay people, and the sexual harassment, for starters. It’s good that your manager has acknowledged the problem and agreed to talk to Kevina … but it doesn’t sound like those conversations have had any impact, and it’s troubling that your boss hasn’t done anything about that. Does your boss know the problems continued after that? If there’s any chance she doesn’t, it’s worth going back to her to let her know. But otherwise, she’s not giving your team a lot of reason to believe she can effectively manage Kevina, so I can see why you’re considering HR. I’m not sure your HR team will be any better if they’ve already dismissed a sexual harassment complaint simply because Kevina is autistic, but it’s worth a try — especially since you’re on your way out and so don’t have to be particularly invested. And sometimes even if HR brushes off one complaint, they’ll have a harder time brushing off a pattern of complaints. Some general principles to help you sort through this: it’s reasonable to escalate complaints that have to do with religious or political proselytizing; anything that physically endangers people; anything that violates people’s privacy or company policy (like those Social Security numbers); any advocacy of violence; or any harassment based on sex, religion, race, sexual orientation, or other protected characteristics. Take all of those to HR, and make sure to use words like “harassment,” “physically endangering employees,” and “privacy invasion” where they apply. Don’t count on them to connect the dots and understand why each incident on its own is actionable; spell it out using words that should ring alarm bells for them. If something doesn’t fall in those categories, it’s more likely to just be personally annoying without warranting a formal complaint. (Although while things outside those categories might not warrant HR, they could still warrant intervention from your manager simply for the disruption they’re creating.) Also, let your coworkers know that you’re talking to HR and let them know what comes of it. They might feel more inclined to report issues themselves if they know you’ve paved the way, and their reports will reinforce that there’s a pattern. (Or they might feel less inclined if they know your company doesn’t care to act, but that’s still useful information for them to have.) You may also like:I caught my coworker masturbating at his deskis it worth mentioning to my boss how irritating my coworker is?I manage my daughter and someone complained about her { 382 comments }
can I opt out of AI assistants in meetings, potlucks with food-restricted coworkers, and more by Alison Green on October 29, 2024 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. Can I opt out of AI assistants in meetings? In large Zoom meetings, I’ve noticed a coworker using an AI assistant to transcribe and take notes. While I understand the desire to use these kinds of tools on an ease and accessibility level, everything about AI, from privacy to environmental, squicks me out beyond belief. I’ve yet to speak during these calls, but I wonder if there’s any standing for me or another coworker to ask these tools not be used? Your coworker may not even know the AI is there. Some AI tools, once turned on for one use, will start attending and transcribing meetings without being specifically requested each time (see this letter for an example). At this point, any employer that hasn’t already communicated a clear policy about the use of AI in meetings and other work needs to, so you could raise the issue on your team or within your organization and ask for a clear policy on when AI use is and isn’t okay, and point out the potential security risks if the data from meetings is stored outside your company. Assuming this is an outside AI tool and not something proprietary to your company, in many organizations using it this way would be considered a security risk. 2. Hate group bumper sticker in the company parking lot One of my employees has a large sticker from an anti-government extremist group on his truck. I want to ask him to either remove the sticker or park his truck somewhere that is not in the company parking lot (we serve a lot of government entities, and these folks tried to kidnap the governor!). My HR team is telling me that I can’t do this because it violates the employee’s freedom of speech, but do I seriously have to let him advertise his hate group at our place of business? “Freedom of speech,” as a legal concept, applies to the government not being able to restrict speech, not to private employers having rules about what is and isn’t okay to be displayed on their property. From a purely legal standpoint, a private employer absolutely has the right to tell an employee that they can’t display an offensive sticker in their parking lot. Whether or not your company will allow you to do that is a different question. If your company isn’t willing to back you up, or tells you directly that they’re not willing to prohibit offensive stickers in their lot, they’re allowed to take that stance. They don’t have to take that stance (so HR is wrong if they’re implying their hands are tied), but they can choose to. But you might have better luck escalating this to someone who isn’t HR. 3. Potlucks with food-restricted coworkers My government workplace holds potluck and other food-related events a few times a year. It’s nothing big, but those who attend like them. There are a few folks who don’t attend because they have food restrictions (gluten-free, vegan, etc.). It’s fine if folks don’t want to attend, but I don’t want anyone to feel excluded! Some others bring their own food or just come to sit with us. The last time we had a potluck, I searched for a recipe online for a vegan, gluten-free dish to share. I made sure to let folks know that I made a special dish so they felt included. It was a new challenge for me, and everyone seemed to enjoy it. My colleagues who host the event say they would love to have people with food sensitivities bring dishes that meet their dietary needs to share as well. We have enough people with different preferences that there should be some variety if a few of them bring something to share. Should the burden be on those with dietary restrictions to bring a dish that meets their needs? Is it helpful for the rest of us to bring dishes with others’ needs in mind? I don’t want people to feel pressured to attend because I made a specific dish; I just want them to feel included. We also print out recipes to share and to let folks know what ingredients are in each dish. This varies by person. Some people with food restrictions will be delighted someone went out of their way to provide something they can eat. Others may be wary about eating it (ask any vegetarian who’s ever heard a dish described as “vegetarian” only to find out it contained chicken broth); they’re not willing to risk someone got the details of their restrictions exactly right. Some may be happy to bring their own dish so they’re assured there will be something there they can eat; others are happier opting out altogether because they don’t want to discuss their diet at all, or simply don’t like potlucks. All of which is to say: there’s no one right answer here. The only way to know for sure is to talk to your colleagues and ask what they’d most like. All that said, you sound thoughtful and kind, and I’m sure your food-restricted coworkers appreciate you thinking about them! 4. My coworkers talk about me like a pet I’m an introverted and quiet person and I rarely participate in non-work conversations with my coworkers. I’m not rude — I participate when I’m directly addressed. I just usually keep to myself otherwise. My coworkers definitely know me as the quiet one, but nobody’s ever complained. My issue is this: sometimes, when my coworkers are chatting near me, they’ll speak for me in a way I can only explain as the way people will talk about their pets, attributing reactions and opinions to them as a way to comment on the situation. “Fluffy says, ‘Fish? I love fish!’” That kind of thing. They’ll be complaining about something and then say, “Ha, Morgan thinks I’m crazy” or “Morgan’s over there like ‘you guys don’t know what you’re talking about.’” And I’m not involved in the conversation at all, let alone thinking or reacting the way they say. I don’t really know how to respond when this happens. Should I correct them? They’re not talking to me, just around me. I don’t want to create a fuss if this is normal and they’re just joking around, but I find it uncomfortable to have opinions on something I wasn’t even paying attention to attributed to me. I think you’re reading it wrong! They’re not really attributing those opinions to you; they’re trying to acknowledge your presence. They don’t want to talk around you as if you’re not there and it’s almost certainly meant as a warm/funny way to not seem like they’re ignoring you. You don’t need much of a response to it — you could just smile and say “no, no” or “ha, not at all” or any other non-committal but reasonably warm response you’re comfortable with. 5. I was promised a bonus but haven’t seen it yet I was lucky enough to be asked to come work a conference overseas for my job. I did great, and got a lot of good feedback emailed to my manager — hurray! During the conference, the organizer (who works at our company) mentioned that all of the staff (me included) working the event would get a bonus. She and I even talked about what I should spend my bonus on. I never did receive it. I checked with a coworker who was also at the event, and he got his already. I’m pretty non-confrontational, and I don’t want to come off as greedy or money-grubbing, but I’d like the bonus! What’s the best way to ask about it? It’s not money-grubbing to ask about a work payment that you were told you would receive, especially when you know someone else already got theirs. Talk with the organizer and say this: “You had mentioned everyone working at X would get a bonus, which I really appreciated. Do you know when we’re likely to see it come through?” You may also like:how do I ask the CEO if I can "borrow" his assistant for my projects?what's the etiquette for people in the background on Zoom calls?I stood up to a sexist coworker who wanted me to take all the notes for a team I'm not even on { 486 comments }
the star guest got drunk at an event I was hosting by Alison Green on October 28, 2024 A reader writes: I’m in a position where I do some industry event hosting and public interviewing. I don’t arrange any of the events, I’m just a speaker/host (I work in a related field too, but these gigs are freelance and paid separately.) I had agreed to interview someone very prestigious in their field who was launching a new product. It was a big event with paid tickets, with the expectation that quotes from the interview would be used for content, promotion, and publicity. I’ve worked with the PR company who were handling it on similar events and it’s all been fine. At this recent event, I turned up 15 minutes before the interview, as requested. The VIP, who I’ll call Lee, arrived and seemed a little tipsy but in good humor (it was an evening event in a venue with a bar so while being tipsy obviously is not great, it wasn’t like they were morning-drinking at an office.) I asked if they wanted to go over the interview questions, they said no and that they’d go with the flow on stage, and seemed fine. Alison, I went to the bathroom and in that time (literally about four minutes) Lee had downed a full glass of wine and started gulping down another. The PR people were all present and laughing away like it was a party — one of them was the person who got Lee the drinks from the venue’s bar. I was immediately worried this would be a mess but Lee is an adult surrounded by their publicity people who weren’t saying anything, so I said nothing. For what it’s worth, there would be some allowance for this person to lean into some “creative genius” eccentricity if they were still interesting and articulate, so I was hoping that would be the case. It was not. I went on stage, gave Lee a nice introduction, and they came on stage — and it unsurprisingly and rapidly went very wrong. Lee couldn’t articulate themselves, started getting frustrated at themselves, and I could tell they were about to start crying. I pivoted the discussion to some audience feedback on the need for the new product, early reviews, etc, just to give Lee a few moments to breathe. As an audience member was speaking, I quietly asked Lee if they wanted me to wrap it up, but they said they wanted to hear some more feedback. I vamped a little with the audience, but I could see that Lee was not getting any more composed and the audience was aware. I tried to wrap it up as elegantly as I could, at which point Lee started audibly getting emotional, saying they’d ruined the event. The PR reps ushered Lee back to their hotel, only mentioning to me on the way out that Lee hadn’t eaten anything before drinking, had been very anxious about the event, and had a hugely stressful week. I feel mortified and a bit sick. I feel like I unwillingly participated in someone who has a drinking issue, major anxiety, or both being shoved in front of a crowd when they were in a bad state. I’ve never been in that position before and feel like I should have tried to say something in the three minutes we had before going on stage, or maybe ended the “interview” more quickly. By the time we’d started, I was genuinely trying to figure out how to give the product some attention and discussion while not drawing attention to Lee’s behavior — but in retrospect I think it was so obvious to the audience that Lee was drunk that I should have just got them off the stage immediately, rather than have them continue to sit on stage for 15 minutes. It’s so obvious that Lee was not in a good space that I can’t be angry at them, I just feel sad for them — but I am annoyed at the PR team for not flagging Lee’s anxiety with me and for giving them two drinks within literally five minutes right before we were going on stage. Apart from Lee’s welfare, I’m also worried that I looked unprofessional to the audience and like the discomfort of the event is going to fall on me, and, as I’m freelance, that’s a big deal for me in terms of future jobs. I’m not sure if anything needs to be said to the PR company. They’re obviously aware it did not go to plan for them or the product launch, so sending a message afterwards feels possibly like stating the obvious? We had also agreed on a fee in advance which was on the assumption that I would have a 45-minute interview with Lee, which obviously did not happen. Should I still expect the full amount? I did all my research and preparation and arrived ready to do my job, but I know they didn’t get what they needed. I don’t know what is fair to expect, payment-wise? You should be paid for the job you agreed to do. You set aside time and prepared and came ready to do the work, and then you rolled with a very difficult situation very gracefully. Nothing here warrants a reduction in your fee. In your shoes, I’d call your contact at the PR company and say you wanted to touch base about the event and check on Lee. It’ll be clear why you’re concerned, and your contact should have some kind of commentary on what happened that should naturally bring you to more of a point of closure about the event. But if for some reason they don’t do that, you could say, “That was a tough situation to handle — is there anything I could have done differently on my end to smooth that over? I had asked Lee if they wanted to wrap up early and they didn’t so I tried to pivot to the product, but I think it was just a rough situation for everyone to navigate.” This is really just about helping things feel more wrapped up, since it’s weird if no one talks to you about it. But from there you should send your normal invoice and assume they will pay it. It would be really crappy of them to balk at that, just like it would be crappy if they balked at paying you because a VIP got food poisoning on stage and had to cut the night short or anything else that short-circuited an on-stage interview. You may also like:our motivational speaker got drunk and went off the railsmy co-host at a workshop will be someone who didn't pay me for my workshould I call out a vulture who takes way more than his share of food at meetings? { 167 comments }
Halloween at work can be a fright show by Alison Green on October 28, 2024 Pity your beleaguered colleagues in HR this week, because Halloween in offices can be frightening in all the wrong ways. You’d think workplace Halloween celebrations would be enjoyable: It’s a holiday centered around costumes and candy, after all. And many offices do manage to make Halloween a good time. Sometimes, though, things go awry. At Slate today, I wrote about what happens when Halloween at work doesn’t go quite as intended. You can read it here. You may also like:I work next to a haunted house, and other tales of Halloweenmy company wants me to work Halloween and I'm a Halloween fanaticthe grisly Halloween decorations, wearing a costume to an interview, and more { 153 comments }
I panicked and told my boss I miscarried when I actually didn’t by Alison Green on October 28, 2024 A reader writes: I recently wet myself at work. I was actually in the bathroom at the time and it was right at the end of lunch. I was in a state such that I was able to go a nearby store and buy fresh clothes, but by the time I cleaned up, changed, and got back to work, I was over an hour past the end of my lunch and I had missed a standing meeting. I had let my manager know when it first started that I had had an emergency and would be a while getting back. When I returned to my desk, my manager took me aside and pushed me quite hard about what happened. I tried to evade the question, said it was a health issue and private, but she kept asking what was so important that it stopped me from going to a meeting and was clearly angry. I was so embarrassed and upset I said the first thing I could think of to make her stop. I told her I had had a miscarriage. That did indeed end the conversation; she said okay and left the room. A note — I am aware that I sometimes tell lies when I feel out of control. I have addressed the issue with a therapist and haven’t really lied like this in about a decade. I have never been dishonest at work before. I am really angry and upset with myself first for lying, but also for what a horrible thing it was to lie about. I know I am in the wrong and what I said was unacceptable. I am taking this as an indicator I’m in a bad place so I intend to go back into therapy to address some major stressors in my life and try and prevent something like this ever happen again. The difficulty is that a friend on my team (same manager) announced today she was pregnant. That colleague told me the manager had asked her to delay the announcement for my sake (I actually already knew so my friend came to apologize to me for sharing unthinkingly and make sure I was okay). I’m concerned my manager will tell more people something similar, since she is a known gossip and little stays private. So my lie may become common knowledge, and I’m worried about the harm it might do to other people who had actually miscarried. The manager is also treating me differently, being very careful with me and speaking to me primarily through email. I’m worried about repercussions if she thinks I’m trying to get pregnant, I’m worried I’ve upset her (I don’t know her story), and I’m scared my working relationship with my manager in jeopardy. I don’t think telling my manager I didn’t really have a miscarriage will improve anything, but my instincts on this are obviously poor. I know I’ve made an enormous and hurtful mess. Is there any way for me to extricate myself from this situation that doesn’t make everything worse? Your manager made this mess, not you. You told her that you’d had a private health emergency and she kept pushing to know what it was. That was none of her business. The only correct response to “I’m so sorry I was late getting back, I had a health issue that I’d rather keep private” is “I’m so sorry to hear that, is there anything you need?” and perhaps “Do you need to go home for the day?” There was no health issue that would be her business or that she needed to know the details of. You’d provided all the info that was relevant to her and that should have been the end of it. But instead she pushed in a way that threatened your privacy, and you panicked and landed on something that seemed likely to shut her up. It’s understandable, and you’re beating yourself up more than is warranted. Nor do I think you did any harm to people who have actually miscarried. Many, many people have miscarried; you’re not stealing anything from them by having landed on that when grasping for an answer that would make your manager stop prying. And your manager is the one who has clean-up to do here, not you. She told your coworker without your permission that you’d miscarried — that’s a huge violation of your privacy, regardless of what actually happened and even if she divulged it in a well-meaning way. You could go back to your manager now and say, “I’m very private about this sort of thing and didn’t want to share it with anyone at work, so please do not repeat it to anyone.” If you’re comfortable being more specific, you could say, “Jane told me that you’d shared it with her, and while I understand what your thinking was, I want to stress that I do not want this shared with anyone else.” Do you have competent HR? Because it might also be worth a visit to them to say that your manager pressured you to share private health info and then repeated it to someone else and you’ve seen her gossip about others in the past, and ask that she be trained in handling employees’ private medical info. You can do this even though you didn’t actually miscarry; your manager was in the wrong regardless. Hopefully the reason your manager is treating you so carefully right now is because she knows she messed up. If so, good — maybe it’ll be a lesson for her not to push the next time someone says “private health issue” and maybe that will help out others who work for her in the future. You may also like:I pretended I'm allergic to bees, is it ethical to buy a resume and cover letter, and moreI lied to my boss and said I've been doing a task I haven't actually doneI lied to get out of a non-compete, and now it's coming back to haunt me { 421 comments }
giving notice when boss is an abusive jerk, vendors keep sending unhealthy food, and more by Alison Green on October 28, 2024 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. Do I have to give notice when my boss is an abusive jerk? I have worked at my current job over three years. I am in the legal field and, because of the small geographic area, most of the people in this field know each other. My employer has had a very high turnover rate for such a small office. I am now the only paralegal left. My boss is so toxic and plays so many games that most quit. I have developed hives (I break out every Sunday from stress before going into work on Monday) and an ulcer. I keep up with the old paralegals and one has been diagnosed with PTSD from being there six months. Another has tremors now. We formed a prior and current employee support group with two more paralegals to help people get through the experience. Whenever there is a new hire, we try to pull them aside and give them the tools to just survive. We can’t warn people ahead of time to not apply because we signed a non-disclosure agreement. My manager has already threatened to fire me several times. She gives the same canned speech to all of the employees whether you have made a mistake or are doing spectacularly well under the circumstances because she likes to see people cry and be flustered. It’s a game to her. She also hides items that are needed like client files, changes dates on the calendar without telling anyone, changes passwords that we need and says she hasn’t, and gaslights like you wouldn’t believe. When the other staff quit one by one, once they gave notice she treated them even worse for that two weeks (as if that was possible). I don’t want to go through that. I am also hesitant because this woman belongs to all of these legal committees and organizations and volunteers her time to legal charities (this is all a mask to generate business, not because she is a good person), and I am sure she will drag my name through the mud in legal circles. I have finally secured another job and can now escape. But I am not sure what to do about notice given her behavior. I also don’t know if I can take any more abuse, especially an added layer because I tell her I am quitting. You don’t need to stay the two weeks. You can have a health condition that you need to attend to immediately that unfortunately makes it impossible for you work your notice period. (This sounds like it wouldn’t even be untrue.) I hear you that you’re worried that she’ll badmouth you in your small field — but isn’t she going to do that no matter what? If she’s going to trash-talk you either way, there’s no point in staying and being abused for two more weeks. If I’m wrong about that and she doesn’t trash people once they’re gone as long as they leave professionally … well, you still don’t need to work your notice period. You can still have a health issue that makes it impossible for you to stay, or if she’s abusive you can tell her that today will be your last day if that continues. Or maybe you’re someone who can handle a final two weeks since you know that you’ll be gone at the end of them and can let her bad behavior roll off you because she’ll never have access to you again. If so, great. But if not, then really, skip the notice period and cite a health emergency; you’re sorry but need to leave immediately to attend to it. And then run that non-disclosure agreement by a lawyer because there’s a decent chance it’s written in a way that would be unenforceable in regard to the specific things you’d want to share with others. Related: can I leave before my notice period is up if my boss is being a jerk? 2. Vendors keep sending unhealthy food I’m writing on behalf of my brother, who works at a small in-patient healthcare facility. Based on the nature of the facility, they have a lot of vendors, other organizations looking for them to make referrals to their patients, etc. Because of this, they get a lot of people “courting” them with little branded swag gifts, as well as bags of candy, meals, cookies, donuts, etc. While it would personally annoy me to have so many pens and pads of paper and coffee cups floating around, the bags of swag gifts are not that big of a concern. But what he and some of his coworkers are starting to have an issue with is the pretty constant barrage of unhealthy treats. This week alone they’ve gotten three big boxes of cookies for the office, smaller individual boxes of cookies for each manager, several bags of candy, and a catered breakfast. My brother has been struggling with some pretty severe health issues including trying to lose a significant amount of weight. While it’s obviously not anyone else’s responsibility to help him with that, he is not the only employee who is finding the constant presence of sweets and food to be hard to resist. Do you have any advice for how they could ask for healthier options or to politely decline them altogether? Although at least a few of his coworkers have expressed the same sentiments that my brother has, he also doesn’t want to disrupt something that some people may be perfectly happy with. Having had similar issues in the past, I know that these vendor companies have budgets for this type of thing and their higher-ups are expecting that they spend the money and spread the goodwill. None of them have any objections to the occasional treat coming their way but it is almost every day at this point. If all of his coworkers want to put a stop to it, whoever’s in contact with the vendors could say to them, “Thanks so much for thinking of us with the bin of candy you sent over. We’ve got a lot of people here trying to eat healthier so if you can put us on a no-sweets list, we’d all be grateful.” They could add, “No obligation to send anything at all, of course, but if you’re looking for something the staff would love, fruit or veggies would be a huge hit.” This is a little awkward because you normally shouldn’t dictate what gift someone gives you — but this is business, they have a budget to spend courting your facility, and they’d probably appreciate knowing what would help them generate more good will rather than less. But if other people there enjoy the gifts, your brother can’t really do that. In that case, he could look for ways to manage temptation once the food arrives — like asking to store it all in a designated area he doesn’t go in often but which other people know to check if they want it. 3. My colleague has no poker face You’ve answered questions from people who don’t have a poker face, but my issue is with a colleague who doesn’t have a poker face. She’s very good at controlling her expressions in meetings with clients or managers, but outside of that … all of her emotions are on full display. We work very closely and have a warm rapport, so I think it’s great that she feels comfortable with me. But, whenever I say anything she disagrees with, she visibly grimaces. The nature of our work involves a lot of dialogue and reconciling of different points of view and competing priorities. I absolutely expect and welcome push back. Once I’m done speaking and she shares her perspective, we’re always able to quickly reach a solution without drama. But the grimaces really irritate me. They throw me off when I’m talking, and I find myself pivoting in the middle of a sentence because I worry that I must sound very incompetent to provoke such a strong reaction. Lately, I’ve found myself speaking up less in meetings when she is present. When she’s grimacing at me, should I pretend I don’t see it? Call it out on the spot? (If I’m leading a team meeting, I’ll call on her to share her opinion when I see a grimace.) Avoid looking at her entirely? Or is it on me to reframe the situation in my mind? I’m a fan of naming it on the spot because (a) people don’t always realize how visible it is, (b) calling it out can convey “you are doing something noticeable enough that people are thrown off by it,” which in turn can limit how often she does it, and (c) she’s being rude and you’re not obligated to pretend you don’t see it. She is deliberately communicating something with her face (or at least deliberately not stopping it as she does with others) and it’s okay to respond to that. So the next time she grimaces: “You grimaced when I said that. What’s up?” or “Your face looks like you really disagree.” Say that a few times and see if she starts doing it less frequently. If not and you have to work with her a lot, at some point it might be worth saying, “I don’t know if you realize how often you grimace when I say something you disagree with. You don’t do it around managers or clients so I’m guessing it’s not uncontrollable, and it really throws me off when I see it.” 4. Is it normal to ask your current manager for a reference? A few years ago, I had a coworker reach out to me in a panic to ask if I could give a reference for a job she was applying for. She said she was asking me because she’d already asked our manager and our HR director (also a partner in our small company), and they had freaked out. Apparently, they were blindsided because she hadn’t said anything about being unhappy at work or job hunting, they called her disloyal, how dare she, etc. They both refused to give references. When she told me all this, I was shocked. I would never ever ask someone at my current employer for a reference outside a few very, very specific cases (e.g., a trusted same-level coworker). The risk is too high! Case in point: in my coworker’s case, now our manager and HR were mad at her, and if she didn’t get the job, they might make her life difficult or fire her. Luckily, she did get the job. When I mentioned to her that asking a current employer for a reference was a very unusual thing to do, my coworker said she’d done it before and her family members hadn’t seen an issue when she asked them. Is this any way this is a thing that’s considered normal, maybe in certain industries? Or was I right in being baffled? No, it’s not normally done! A decent manager won’t freak out at someone for job-searching, but (a) not all managers are decent — yours being a case in point and (b) even when a manager doesn’t freak out, it’s not in your interest to tip your hand that you’re searching until you’ve accepted another job and are ready to give notice. Otherwise you risk being moved off of high-profile projects that would help your resume or even pushed out earlier than you wanted to go (which doesn’t necessarily need to be malicious — it can just be something like they need to cut two roles from the team and figure you’ve got one foot out the door already anyway). There are exceptions to this like times when you trust your boss to know you’re looking without having any repercussions, but those are the exception to the rule. Related: my interviewer wants a reference from my current boss 5. How to get better at double-checking my work I just had my first performance review at my new job and overall it was good, but there was one criticism: I need to doublecheck my work more. This is something I have heard before but the thing is, I do doublecheck! I reread and reread but it’s like my brain and eyes refuse to see the errors, it just fills in with what’s supposed to be there. It’s easier to spot errors in other people’s work, or if I can take a break for a few hours, but that’s usually not possible. I have been criticized for taking too long doublechecking things before as well. What are some effective and efficient methods of checking one’s own work? Things that often work for people: 1. Read your work out loud to yourself. The function that makes your brain gloss over errors doesn’t seem to kick in as much when you’re reading out loud. 2. Change the font. This is weird, but when the work doesn’t look as familiar to you, your brain may read it as more “new” than when it looks identical. 3. Hold a piece of paper up to your screen so you can only see one line at a time. This can slow down your brain and make sure you’re seeing what’s really there. 4. Print it out. If you’re used to reviewing work on a computer screen, printing it out can help you spot errors. 5. Look at past errors and see if you can find patterns in them. If you realize that you frequently miss X or miscalculate Y, you can build in a check for those things in particular. You may also like:how do I resign when my boss is a horrible person who will yell and insult me?I gave two weeks notice but got told to leave immediatelycan I leave my job after one year if I committed to more? { 466 comments }
weekend open thread – October 26-27, 2024 by Alison Green on October 25, 2024 This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. Here are the rules for the weekend posts. You may also like:all of my 2022 and 2023 book recommendationsall of my book recommendations from 2015-2021the cats of AAM { 817 comments }
open thread – October 25, 2024 by Alison Green on October 25, 2024 It’s the Friday open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers. * If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer. You may also like:my new coworker is putting fake mistakes in my work so she can tell our boss I'm bad at my jobmy new hire's office looks like a dark, flickering bat cave ... and is scaring off patronsneed help finding a job? start here { 915 comments }