open thread – July 12, 2024

It’s the Friday open thread!

The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers.

* If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer.

feuding coworkers, is saying “my calendar is up to date” rude, and more

It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go…

1. My coworkers are feuding over a text, a lack of condolences, and some coffee

We have two colleagues in our office, Pam and Sarah, who do not get along. Sarah’s mom passed away recently, and she sent a text message to our people in the office letting them know. It should be noted that she left Pam off the text. I did not respond to the text message because I am older and find texting and social media to be impersonal, so I was going to call her the next day. Pam also did not send a text to Sarah that day (again, Sarah left her off the text sharing what happened).

The next day, both Pam and I woke up to a text message from Sarah that read, “Thanks for the condolences” and had a picture of her dead mother in her hospice bed attached. Knowing Sarah, I know she was drunk and emotional when she sent the text, so I didn’t think anything of it and called Sarah that evening. I told her I was sorry about her mom, and she apologized for the picture and that was that. We are fine. However, Pam has taken the picture as a personal affront, and she and Sarah no longer speak to each other.

Two weeks have passed, and this morning Sarah comes down to my desk asking where the key to the supply closet is. She said she was looking for the Green Mountain coffee but thinks we are out of it because Pam, who orders supplies, will not order it anymore because she is mad at Sarah and knows Sarah likes it. Since I have a company credit card, she asked if I could order it. I said I could try but I don’t order supplies. Next thing I know, Sarah is going into our manager’s office, and I hear her say, “Bob, can you order more of this coffee? Pam won’t order it because I was mad that she did not send me condolences, so I sent her a picture of my dead mother and now we only have Folgers.” I had to put my head under my desk and hide, I was laughing so hard. How is that sentence even possible in a sane world? Anyway, any advice on how to handle this situation?

The question is what Bob is going to do! He’s the one with the authority and obligation to deal with it. What he should do is talk to them and tell them they need to be civil to each other at work and it’s not okay to ignore one another or make supply-ordering decisions based on personal feuds. He also needs to tell Sarah that angrily sending a photo of her dead mom was inappropriate and upsetting and she needs to keep her communications to colleagues professional.

But that’s the tip of the iceberg! The fact that this happened at all, that it got to this point, that Sarah’s history is such that you knew she was drunk-texting — something’s going on in your office beyond this, and I strongly suspect part of it is that Bob isn’t actively managing the situation.

Luckily, it’s not anything you need to fix yourself; it’s not your job and you’re not the one with the authority to address it.

2. Is saying “my calendar is up to date” rude?

I work in a quality function at a large company, so we need to sign off on a lot of things that the various groups under our purview are doing. That usually results in a lot of quick meetings so the groups requesting our sign off can give us a quick rundown of the situation and allow us to ask questions. Oftentimes, these sign-offs need to happen relatively quickly.

Recently, someone was requesting my sign-off on a change and sent me a Teams message asking if I had time to meet that day. I responded, “Sure, my Outlook calendar is up to date” and expected the person to send me a planner.

This person, for some reason, flipped out when I said this, saying that I should have scheduled the meeting. I had no idea how long the meeting needed to be, who else to invite, etc., which is why I told them to schedule it.

I have to ask. Is it rude to say “my outlook calendar is up to date” and expect someone requesting a meeting to go ahead and schedule it?

No, it is not. It is very normal.

Moreover, even if it were a little rude — which it isn’t — your coworker’s reaction would have been wildly over the top. They could have simply replied, “Would you mind taking the lead on scheduling because of (reasons)?”

3. Customer is telling me too much about her family’s tragedy

I work at a bookstore. Recently I had a customer come in with a terrible situation; her son who plays football experienced a bad tackle and was seriously injured as a result. She was asking for medical books about the specific condition, as well as self-help books. I guided her to the appropriate section and expressed genuine sympathy and a hope that things get better. We didn’t have much that applied to the exact situation, so I ordered some for her as well.

The problem is, she’s a very frequent customer and she’s now giving me regular updates on the situation, some medical (he has a catheter) and some emotional (he’s told her he wants to die). I frankly didn’t ask and don’t want to know. I sympathize, truly, and I’m sorry this young man’s life has been so tragically altered but I’m here to do my job, not provide free therapy. I have my own background with losing someone young to suicide and hearing that this young man is considering taking his own life is genuinely triggering for me. How do I gently extricate myself from this situation? Should I talk to my manager about it? If so, what should I say?

First, are you able to quickly excuse yourself for work reasons — “good to see you, I’ve got to grab something for another customer” or so forth? If that’s not practical (or not practical every time), would you be comfortable saying something like, “I’m so sorry he’s dealing with this. It’s hard for me to talk about because of a situation in my own family — I hope you understand”?

But it’s also okay to talk to your manager about it; this is the kind of thing that you can ask someone above your pay grade to handle.

4. My boss is mad that I communicate better than she does

I’ve been with my company for 15 years, in my current position for nine. I’m one of the team leads. There are similar leads for other teams in our group. We each are responsible for supervising and mentoring the members of our teams, as well as facilitating conversations with other groups and setting/enforcing policies and procedures. As the longest-tenured lead, I have a few additional responsibilities which extend to our full group. My current manager is the third since I’ve been a lead. They were an internal hire who was familiar with me, my work, responsibilities, and how I interacted with the team and my previous managers.

Recently we had our company-wide employee survey, and my manager scored low on communication and team engagement. A couple of weeks later, I got a call from them telling me that I talked too much in meetings, it was inappropriate that my team came to me for group-related issues instead of just ones solely focused on our assignments, I should not be making policy and procedure decisions, and I needed to quiet down and let them handle anything that wasn’t specific to a particular assignment. Through the course of the conversation, I gleaned that they had just had a meeting with their manager, and the issues with their communication came up. Apparently I was used as an example of good communication and what my grand-boss would like to see out of my manager. But instead of using that to improve their style, I’m being told to curtail my work and behaviors.

Fine, I can mostly deal with this (although it does have me brushing up my resume). My question is how to explain to my team why suddenly I’m referring questions to our manager. And how do I tell people sending me requests from outside teams that instead of getting a prompt response from me, they’ll have to contact my manager and wait weeks for an answer? I’m afraid that they’ll interpret this change as if I’ve done something wrong and it will affect my reputation. I know my not speaking up during discussions in meetings has been noticed already and I’m not sure how to address that, either. So far I’ve just been saying “Manager wants to be more involved in X” but that doesn’t feel quite right either.

Wow, your manager is an insecure ass.

How’s your relationship with your manager’s manager? Any chance you could talk to her about these new directives? If she held you up as an example of the sort of communication your boss should be modeling, she’s probably going to be pretty unhappy to hear how your boss handled it. Make sure to say that you’re concerned about retaliation from your boss if they find out you went to your grandboss with this; your grandboss should be able to finesse that if she’s reasonably skilled, but it’ll help to flag it as a specific concern.

Beyond that, just be straightforward with other people: “Jane has asked to be more involved with stuff like this” … “Jane wants to be the point of contact for this” … etc. It sounds like you have an excellent reputation and Jane does not; it’s highly likely that people will know that the problem is Jane, not you.

should I apologize for being a bad employee?

A reader writes:

Do I need to apologize to my managers for being a less-than-stellar employee?

I’m a contract employee on my second year of employment with an organization that hires its employees on one-year contracts. During my first year, my performance was good — not outstanding, but at least good enough to have my contract renewed.

Good enough performance aside, I know my manager found me difficult to manage (they told me so, in so many words), but in keeping with the organization’s strong focus on professional development, we outlined some areas for me to improve and I took those seriously and made a lot of changes that (I think, at least) helped me align more closely with expectations.

During my second year, I dealt with a cascade of health issues: a serious illness, a surprise surgery, and two miscarriages, plus a recurrence of some life-long mental health challenges; all of this culminated in my needing to go on FMLA leave to receive mental health treatment. I also received a mid-life diagnosis of ADHD. For obvious reasons, my performance crashed during all of this, which I acknowledged to my managers (using scripts you suggest). Once I came back from medical leave, I dove into work with renewed focus and energy, but it became clear that my performance wasn’t measuring up; my manager put me on a PIP and ultimately decided to let me go.

As I’ve been reflecting on all of this — and reflecting on my performance in this job and previous jobs in light of the ADHD diagnosis — I’m recognizing just how difficult I’ve been for my managers over the last two years of employment. I always want to be a superstar employee — or, failing that, to at least be a diligent, reliable, and thoughtful employee who is able to contribute to my team. In hindsight, however, I suspect that I haven’t even managed that: instead, I get the sense that I’ve been a liability rather than an asset. It’s pretty clear to me that the difficulties of managing undiagnosed ADHD really contributed to the challenges my managers have had with me over the last two years; the Venn diagrams of “ADHD symptoms” and “my performance issues” overlap pretty significantly. But even so: whatever the cause, the outcome was that I was a pretty poor employee.

Is there ever a situation where an employee should apologize to a manager for being a burden in this way? I have another several months before the end of my contract, and I keep thinking I ought to apologize to my manager and acknowledge I’m not blind to how difficult I’ve been. The urge is pretty overwhelming; I hate knowing that my manager probably has a poor opinion of me. But I’m aware this urge comes from the emotional part of my brain, the part that hates being criticized and panics when people are unhappy with me. The rational part of my brain points out that apologizing might make me feel better but won’t actually accomplish anything.

As I wrap up my time with this organization, I want to behave as professionally and gracefully as possible. In that context, is there a place for an apology? Or should I just focus on wrapping up my projects and completing the work that needs to get done? My instinct is that apologizing in this way is an emotional overreaction, but — perhaps because the past two years have done a number on my self-esteem — I’m not sure I trust my instincts, so I’d appreciate your advice.

I think there’s a difference between acknowledging the issues and apologizing for them.

You don’t need to apologize for having mental or physical health issues. You don’t even need to privately feel apologetic. You are a human who had some very normal and understandable human health stuff happen.

But I understand the desire to acknowledge to your manager that you know this has been challenging for them and your team. That kind of acknowledgement can feel like a form of reclaiming competence — “I see this, I’m not oblivious, and I realize that it’s had an impact.” There’s an underlying “I wish it had been different,” but it’s not an apology.

I think you can approach it that way, and there might be value to you on your own in saying it (you clearly want to!) and very likely value to the relationship too.

I’d frame it this way: “Obviously I’ve had a rough time this past year, and I know that showed up at work in ways I didn’t want it to, despite my best attempts to keep it from affecting things here. I wish it had gone differently, but I really appreciate the support and patience you’ve given me, as well as your candor when it was clear something needed to change.” You could even add, “I’m leaving with a clearer idea of how to navigate some of these challenges going forward, and I’ve appreciated your role in helping me through that.”

So it’s “I see this” and “I appreciate how you handled it,” but it’s not “I’m sorry.”

updates: we have to cook food to feed our well-paid managers, and more

Here are four updates from past letter-writers.

1. We have to cook food to feed our very well-paid managers

I realized that I might be one of the few people who could push back on this because I am a long-term employee with a good record who is about to retire so any potential retribution would have little or no effect on me. So I spoke to one of the leadership team and said how bad the optics were on this and how upset people were about being asked to do this. This person listened, spoke to the big boss, and the result is that the leadership team is covering the costs!

I didn’t have time to read all the comments and respond but I appreciate the helpful — and funny — suggestions.

2. How do I deal with a painfully slow talker?

Your advice was very helpful, as was the advice from most of the commenters. I let Jane know that we understood the need for some hand-holding through these many assessments but that we thought we could probably get through most of them on our own and would let her know if we had any questions. Then we’d schedule a time to review them with her rather than fill them out with her in real time. This has been a great help and cut waaaaaaay back on time both my husband and I had to set aside during our work day to have meetings with Jane.

We also had another wonderful therapist working with our son and got most of our updates from her over the last six months, so that also helped us get through some of the processes more easily. Unfortunately, that therapist has since retired and we are back to working solely with Jane but, with the assessment stage out of the way, we’re spending much, much less time trying to crawl through several pages of questionnaires right before a deadline and more time talking with Jane (as slowly as she needs) about how we can best support our son. He’s making great strides with his speech, is becoming more social, and his teacher recently said she considers him “academically advanced.” So we’re very happy we’ve stuck with Jane!

3. I’m being pressured to take a promotion I don’t want (#3 at the link)

After much discussion above my level and without my knowledge, my manager was able to argue that a consultant position be applied to my role, and I was promoted! I do not have to manage anyone, but will be responsible for training new hires and improving processes. If I decide in the future that I want to manage, that path is still open to me. I cannot adequately describe how valued and appreciated my manager and my company has made me feel.

I guess my advice is to always listen to Ask a Manager and the wonderful commenters, continue to do what you love (and strive to do it well), and to share your knowledge with others. It might not always get you what you’re looking for, but good employees never go unnoticed. Thank you all so much!

4. I can’t get anyone to acknowledge my resignation (#4 at the link)

I never did hear back from the site leader. I was, however, lucky to find a different program leader (at the same level of the vacant supervisor position) who was sympathetic and offered to take my class off the schedule if needed.

So I told my students that the schedule didn’t reflect it yet, but my last class would be on *date* (thanks to the commenters, particularly the one who suggested adding the language about “not reflected in the schedule”).

I did teach out that last class, and the schedule has now been updated. I feel free.

what’s the strangest customer feedback you’ve heard?

This week’s “ask the readers” question comes courtesy of this reader:

I was talking to one of my friends the other day and the topic of hilarious customer comments/complaints came up. I had one that I’ve carried with me for about a decade now and I wanted to share it:

“The worst paper in all of human history. Quite like cheap construction paper, but with unpredictable reactions to wet and dry media. Extremely fragile. Breaks into rubbish at the slightest application of compressed charcoal, an eraser, or water. Could dig a hole to China in minutes if the earth was made of this material. Unusable for nearly all art media. ZERO similarity to last production run.”

It makes me laugh every time I read it and I was wondering just how many other people out there have something like this.

Let’s discuss funny customer complaints/reviews/feedback in the comments!

is my employee taking credit for my work, manager favors our two-faced coworker, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Is my employee’s conference presentation taking credit for my work?

My question is one part reaction check, one part management advice. I run a small marketing team that didn’t exist at this company before I created it five years ago. I had some adjacent experience and figured everything else out as I went. Last year, we had an internal transfer to my team; she also didn’t have any marketing experience, but was eager to learn. She was brought on to expand upon and lead some social media marketing projects that I had done some work on, but had been stretched too thin to dedicate the time needed for it.

Fast forward 18 months, and she reached out for financial support to attend an industry conference. She wanted to learn more about social media strategy and develop her skills. This is great! I love continuous education opportunities for my team! I approved the request.

The next week I found out via a LinkedIn post she made that she applied and was accepted as a speaker at the conference, with the topic of how to create a social media function at a small company. In this post, she shared that she was able to build this function on her own, and she was excited to share her expertise with others at this conference. She has not mentioned to me directly that she will be a speaker.

So going back to my two-part question: First, the way she describes her role and her projects in the post effectively cuts my work and guidance out of the picture. I know I’m taking this too personally, but how “too personally?” I want to be a supportive manager and I want her to feel empowered, but frankly, this makes me less excited to be a cheerleader for her because it feels like she just took the credit.

Secondly, I think there is some genuine feedback to give here, but I’m struggling to parse it out from my personal feelings. She misrepresented her goals for the conference in her proposal and she’s misrepresenting her expertise to conference attendees (who are paying thousands of dollars!). However, it’s not affecting her work at our company, so is it even something I should be addressing? If so, how? If not, advice on letting this go?

Is she misrepresenting her expertise to conference attendees? It’s pretty normal for speaker bios to present the speaker in the best possible light, and usually they don’t include things like “under the tutelage of ManagerName” (unless the manager is so well-known that their name would be a draw). Granted, I don’t have all the facts that you do, but it doesn’t sound that outrageous for her to frame her work as building out your social media function; it sounds like she was hired to lead those projects. That doesn’t negate the work you did before she came on board or undermine you as her manager. If there’s something specific about the way she’s framing things that feels truly fraudulent, you’d of course want to address that — but otherwise this sounds like pretty standard conference speaker stuff.

It’s not clear to me whether she knew she was speaking at the conference when she asked you to fund her attendance. If she did, it’s a little surprising that she didn’t mention it, but not necessarily nefarious. You could just raise it with her and see what she says! For example: “I saw you’re leading a session on X! That’s great. You didn’t mention it when you asked for funding, so I wanted to make sure you know that’s something we love to see and would always appreciate knowing about.” (And if there are details that make this weirder that weren’t in the letter, you could change that to, “I was surprised you didn’t mention it when we talked about funding to attend — any reason for that?”)

2. Our manager favors our rumor-spreading, two-faced coworker

I work in a small team within a big organization. The team has been fairly close, but that all changed recently when we found out that one of our coworkers, Sam, has been spreading malicious rumors about another coworker who had to take time off for personal and family issues (miscarriage/sickness/vacation), saying things to the management team like how they’re always out or calling out sick whenever. They also spread rumors about people “taking advantage” of the hybrid schedule whenever we were not on-site. We confronted Sam privately (and separately) and they said there was no malicious intent. We later found out multiple other teammates had asked them to stop spreading negative rumors about their own teammates.

Then we realized our direct supervisor was privately emailing Sam for assignments and projects, and none of the rest of us would ever be included in the communication. So whenever Sam would call out for a broken fridge or car troubles, we would suddenly be asked to do double work because there had been no communication previously about the work. As time went on, we found out that Sam had also been stealing credit for the team’s work, which we also asked them to stop — but they believed they were right to do so, based on “last person to touch” logic.

We spoke with management about the lack of communication and respect from Sam, but also the lack of transparency from our supervisor funneling all communication to Sam. The resolution was that the supervisor would speak directly with Sam.

A few months after their conversation (which no one else was present for) the supervisor continues to privately message Sam, who now informs the team that they’re working on “something else” for the supervisor, but never shares the information with the us, likely out of spite. Sam also gets super passive-aggressive whenever the team decides to work on projects and not include them. I’ve tried pushing for collaboration and open communication, but so far nothing has improved. What can I do? Should I just look to transfer/promote to another team?

Yes, or even look outside the company altogether. Your managers know about the issue and, for whatever reason, aren’t acting on it. There’s too much drama around Sam and your supervisor, and you don’t have the power to fix it. Your best move is to just get out.

3. How did I make this terrible hire?

I’m an in-house recruiter in a medical start-up. About three weeks ago, I made a job offer to someone I felt was an excellent fit for a sales role. They happily accepted. Well, the hiring manager informed me two weeks ago that I might have to find a replacement because the new hire had been rude to her and to the trainer her first week. Very odd as these are both friendly and professional people. I don’t know the specifics but was told that the hire was very rude and mean during training, which is done over video (we’re a fully remote company), and in several emails to the manager. This rather shocked me as the candidate was perfectly lovely to me, behaved professionally, and was very well qualified for the role.

Last week, this hire resigned suddenly, claiming they hadn’t been paid. We pay bi-weekly and the deposit had not yet hit their bank account. I always go over the specifics of pay during the screening so they were fully aware of this.

Nothing like this has ever happened to me before and I’ve made hundreds of hires over the years. I’ve been in HR for many years and thought I had developed a thick skin, but I can’t shake the idea that I’m partly to blame for not seeing something during the interview. I can’t recall a single red flag either during the screening, formal interview, or afterwards in our emails. And no, we didn’t contact references. My company doesn’t do reference checks. Maybe we should start?

Sometimes you are going to make bad hires because it’s not a perfect science! If this is your first hiring mistake after hundreds of hires, you’ve been very lucky … although I suspect previous bad hires might have been more along the lines of “can’t do the job the way we need it done,” whereas this person just seems like a jerk and so you feel like you should have spotted that earlier.

Except it’s not always something you can spot in a hiring process! Some people interview very well and can hold it together for a few meetings or when the stakes feel particularly high but are horrible to work with. It sounds like this person was one. (Alternately, any chance there’s something else going on, like that you and the candidate were both male and the manager and trainer were both women? It’s worth thinking about — but sometimes people are just jerks and there’s nothing deeper happening.)

However, yes, you should do reference checks. They can significantly decrease the chances of surprises like this.

4. My housekeeper’s daughter doesn’t have any books

I employ a housekeeper, Maria. I am very happy with her work. Maria is a recent immigrant who speaks only Spanish. I used to speak Spanish well; I now have a medical condition that makes it hard for me to remember words in any language, but I still do my best.

Recently, Maria had a childcare issue and brought her first-grade daughter, Katie, to my home while she worked. That is not a problem. I gave Katie the basket of age-appropriate toys I keep on hand; Katie entertained herself for a while, then went out of her way to talk to me. Katie also only speaks Spanish. Katie told me that she had a book that was teaching her to read and write before she immigrated with her family, but she had to leave it behind, and now she does not have any books at home. I pulled out my collection of age-appropriate books and Katie spent the rest of her mom’s work time reading and describing pictures to me, I think very happily. I confirmed with Katie that she goes to school; she gave me several relevant details that make me completely sure she is in school.

I know Maria is a good mother who cares deeply about her children. Also, there’s a child in my community who obviously loves reading and says she has no books at home. If Katie were any other child in my life, I would know exactly what to do: make sure the family has access to the library (which has a great Spanish section), get Katie a couple books of her own, and let Maria know I would be happy any time to help make sure Katie always has access to books.

However, Katie is my employee’s daughter. Maria is great at taking feedback about her work, but she is less open to feedback in other areas. (Once, I forgot the word for “light” when she told me something was light, so I asked if she would like help carrying it; she gave me a speech about how she is an independent woman and I should let her work.) I think I have a generally positive relationship with Maria, but I know my impression is complicated by her having to be nice to me for her job, as well as cultural barriers. I also do not think Maria working for me means she has to hear my thoughts on her parenting.

However, I would love to help Katie have access to books at home if there is a reasonable and respectful way for me to do this. (For example, my niece has outgrown several books that are bilingual in English and Spanish and her parents want to give them away – could I offer them to Maria? I would also be happy to buy Katie new books.) If there is a good script for this situation, there are fluent Spanish speakers in my life I could contact for help getting it exactly right in Spanish.

I think you might be overthinking it! Buy Katie a few Spanish-language books or get the ones your niece has outgrown and ask Maria if Katie would like them. You could say, “I saw how much she loved looking at books when she was here so I wanted to give her some as a gift.”

I suspect you’re worried there’s some inherent criticism of Maria for not supplying Katie with books herself, but that doesn’t need to be the subtext at all. After all, you could offer Katie some books even if she had her own extensive stash at home — and you can approach this just like you would then.

5. How do I correct people who call me the wrong name via email?

You recently published a letter where the writer asked how to get people to spell their name correctly, and it reminded me of a similar (and kind of bizarre) issue I’ve been having.

Our email addresses are all in the format [first initial][last name]@company.com, and we have a standard Outlook signature that contains our full name, company website, etc. Surprisingly often, clients will respond to an email from me with some form of “Thanks, [my email alias]!” instead of “Thanks, [my actual name as shown in my signature]!” Weirder still, they don’t even spell the alias correctly as it appears in my email address.

Let me try to illustrate what I mean. Say my name was Katherine Eavon. My company email address would be keavon@teapotsinc.com, right? And all of my emails are signed, in bold letters, “Best regards, Katherine Eavon.” But I have clients responding with “Thanks Kevin!” and even calling my office — having presumably gotten the phone number from the signature with my actual name — and asking for Kevin.

It’s such a small issue but I just can’t wrap my head around the logic. I could maybe understand the occasional “thanks Keavon,” but like … do they think my email alias is my first name spelled incorrectly? Are there that many people using software that purposely hides email signatures? Is my name really Kevin and no one told me?

It happens so often that it’s become a bit of a running joke in our office. One of my coworkers gave me a Hello, My Name Is Kevin name tag as a gag gift. It’s all in good fun around the water cooler, but how do I reply to clients and say, “Hey jackass, check my signature, that’s not my name” without sounding rude?

I think it’s the same basic reason as why people address their emails to Allison when my email address with Alison is right in front of them. In your case, their eyes are glancing on what they process as a version of the name “Kevin” and their brains go “noted, Kevin,” and then their brains convert it to the spelling they’re most familiar with when they type it out. They’re not thinking about any more than that (definitely not to the point of wondering why your email address spelled it differently).

I’d just include “My name is Katherine, not Kevin!” when you reply … but, similar to the letter from earlier this week, the more you can not care, the better.

Also, though, any chance your company would change your email address to katherine@? Big companies are often wed to standardized email address formats, but if you’re at a smaller company they might be willing to just change it.

an industry colleague is lying to me about a dispute we had years ago

A reader writes:

Six years ago, I was vice president of the board of a national advocacy body (Org A) that had a long-standing, mostly good, relationship with another national advocacy body (Org B). The two organizations had some commonalities but also quite well defined swim lanes.

While I was VP for Org A, Elsa from Org B had approached me and asked if I could be on a voluntary advisory group they were convening. Elsa assured me it had nothing to do with my board role at Org A, and it was a group of independent experts in the industry, with Org B just providing a secretariat. My board eventually agreed it wasn’t a conflict of interest so I joined.

Two weeks after the first expert meeting, Org A voted to resign their associate membership in Org B, in response to a disagreement about Org B’s new approach to something, although I think they just disliked Sven, the CEO, and decided to try and force some sort of change within the organization. I didn’t agree with the resignation but was overruled by a majority vote.

The day after the resignation was announced, I got an automated email saying Elsa had removed my access to the online platform being used by the expert group. I sent a couple of emails seeking to clarify if this was a tech issue or related to the resignation, but got no response.

Three days later, Elsa called me. She was on speaker with Sven. They confirmed I had been removed from the expert group, then proceeded to scream at me and tell me I was compromising my personal values by staying on the board of Org A. I calmly said that professionalism and kindness were two of my values, and that I would end the call if they continued to yell. They kept yelling so I hung up. I was shaken but chalked it up to Elsa and her team being unprofessional.

Two weeks later, the board chair of Org B called me and asked me to join their board, because they thought I had a useful skill set. I respectfully declined — partly because it was a conflict, and partly because I didn’t want to be managing Sven, who thinks it’s okay to yell at people and question their integrity.

Two years later I get a job with an organization that funds some of the work undertaken by Org B. I declared our previous history to my new CEO during the interview process, who wasn’t bothered — she understands it’s a big industry! I also resigned from Org A around the same time, because that was a conflict. I ended up meeting Elsa for a coffee when I started my new job, as we had to work together occasionally, and she apologized for how she had treated me during that phone call and we all moved on.

I’ve been in my current role four years and have a cordial relationship with Org B and Elsa. Org B has a reputation as being difficult to work with and they regularly have “reset” meetings with other organizations across the industry when they behave poorly, but I have generally gotten on well with their team since that apology.

Fast forward to today…

Elsa emailed the group of experts from the original panel, including me, asking us to share our experiences of the panel as a case study for successful cross-industry collaboration. I replied to Elsa and asked if she was sure I should be included because they had removed me from the group very early on.

She’s just replied and said, “Oh no, you were removed at the request of Org A, didn’t you know that? It was nothing to do with us. Love your work!”

Alison, this just … didn’t happen. I was the VP at the time, I would have known about that request, and my board was just as shocked as I was about what had happened. But … I can’t prove anything. The board has changed over, I no longer have access to those emails from that time, and it’s their word against mine.

Elsa and I have a previously scheduled coffee for next week to discuss a new funding proposal and I don’t know what to do. Do I ignore the email and pretend nothing ever happened? Do I cancel the coffee on some pretext? Do I respond to correct the record? I just don’t know.

Are there professional reasons for you to maintain a cordial relationship with Elsa? Does it benefit your current employer or you personally to be on pleasant terms with her? If so, the most practical thing to do is to just privately roll your eyes at Elsa’s rewriting of history, file it away as useful information about her lack of trustworthiness, and go to the coffee and conduct whatever business needs to be conducted.

To be clear, Elsa sounds like a mess. The phone call where she and Sven screamed at you, the accusations of compromising your values, her affiliation with an org so difficult to work with that they regularly need “reset” meetings with industry partners … she’s a mess.

For all I know, it’s possible that Org B removing you from their online platform was a reasonable decision in response to them being in open conflict with your employer, or maybe it was just petty retribution (although in the case of the former, they should have just owned it and explained the reason). But the rest of her behavior is bad enough that it doesn’t really matter.

As for her claim that you were removed at your employer’s request … it’s probably a deliberate lie to save face; she needs to work with you now and your current employer funds some of her organization’s work, so she’s trying to smooth things over and using deceit to do it. In fairness, it’s also possible that she genuinely doesn’t remember because it’s been years, but that too doesn’t really matter; we don’t need to figure it out because you’re not assessing Elsa as a potential employee or close friend. You already know she’s shady and not someone you’ll ever want to collaborate with closely.

So it really just comes down to what kind of relationship you need with her professionally. If it doesn’t much matter, feel free to cancel the coffee on some vague pretext and not reschedule it. Either way, though, I don’t see any reason why you can’t reply to her email with, “Oh, I think your recollection is wrong; Org B chose to remove me after Org A resigned its membership in B. Anyway, it’s water under the bridge now and I’ll see you on Tuesday.”

If she replies to debate that, just ignore. There’s no point in engaging further on it. And if she brings it up when you meet in person — which she would be foolish to do! — stick with, “It was a long time ago and I think we’ve all moved on.” The goal here isn’t to get both of you on the same page so you can have a relationship based on truth and genuine connection; it’s to conduct whatever business needs to be conducted and be done.

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anti-vax employee is pressuring a coworker not to vaccinate her baby

A reader writes:

I have three people who I have supervised for the last three years. Although I am not their official manager, I am the person who handles the bulk of their day-to-day responsibilities. I’ll call them Cordelia, Willow, and Dawn. All three are hard workers and are good at their jobs. They are also friends and the three of them often enjoy eating lunch together at one of their desks most days.

Cordelia has always been kind of a big personality. She goes above and beyond at work but also in her personal life, and is busy every single weekend and most evenings. She is one of those people who just always seems to have loads of energy and opinions. I like her, but also find her a little bit exhausting.

About 10 years ago (before I worked here), Cordelia had a baby who tragically passed away before his first birthday. His death was about a week after he had received several of the usual six-month infant vaccines. Cordelia has blamed his death on the vaccines and is an anti-vaxxer.

She has mentioned that she was relieved that our company decided not to require Covid-19 vaccines or boosters, because she would have had to quit because she absolutely will not get any vaccines.

I don’t agree with her stance, but I’m also not going to argue with a coworker about medical stuff that isn’t a core part of our jobs, and even more, I am not comfortable being overly confrontational with a grieving parent. She understandably still grows upset and cries when something reminds her of her baby.

Each fall, my company arranges for flu shots to be available on site for one afternoon for employees.

My first year here, I overheard Cordelia telling Willow not to get the flu shot. Willow tends to smile and nod, and then ignore Cordelia and do whatever she was planning to do, so no actual harm was done. However, I did speak to Cordelia about it and explain that she was certainly welcome to make her own healthcare decisions and not get a flu shot, but that other people were allowed to, and she couldn’t discourage them ahead of time or criticize them afterwards.

I did keep a close watch on her at the time, and again last fall when flu shots were offered again, and there was no recurrence. I also checked in with Willow, who just laughed and said she got the shot every year. This felt like it was dealt with.

Then Dawn shared that she is pregnant. It’s her first, and she and her husband are thrilled. It’s all really lovely and exciting.

Except…

You’ve almost certainly worked out where this is going. Cordelia has been telling Dawn that she needs to not give her baby any vaccinations, even if she needs to fight with her doctor about it.

What is my responsibility here?

Dawn is an adult, though a young one, and she has family and a doctor to help advise her. On the other hand, she seems to be listening to Cordelia on this matter. Do I speak to Cordelia again, like I did with the company offered flu shots? (This feels different.) Do I stay out of it? Do I step in? Most of these conversations are happening outside of work; I just happened to be there during a lunchtime chat where it was clear that this was an ongoing topic.

I’m not sure what to do. Please advise!

Yes, step in. Just as you had the standing to tell Cordelia to lay off about the flu shots, you also have the standing to tell her not to hassle coworkers about other personal health care decisions.

It would be one thing if this had just been one conversation — if the topic came up and Cordelia shared her opinion and then it was dropped. But it sounds like it’s been multiple conversations, and that’s crossing a line.

I suspect you’re feeling more hesitant because Cordelia had a horrible personal loss that she attributes to these specific vaccines. And again, one mention of “I wouldn’t vaccinate because …” wouldn’t be something you needed to intervene on. And if Dawn were seeking her out and asking for her opinion, that would be different. But if Cordelia is continuing to push it of her own volition, she’s in the wrong. Members of your team deserve to be able to go to work without being hassled about private medical decisions they make for themselves and their families.

I’d say the same if the role were reversed — if Dawn weren’t planning to vaccinate and Cordelia kept pressuring her to, at some point that would cross a workplace line too. And just as Cordelia presumably wants colleagues to respect her medical autonomy, she needs to respect theirs.

Shut it down.

I manage someone who’s bored and grumpy, I saw an anti-union training on our CEO’s credit card bill, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. I manage someone who’s bored and grumpy at work

I work on a small team and manage one person, A. The nature of A’s work can often be quite monotonous and she knew this might be the case when she joined.

A is the type of person who wears her heart on her sleeve. We’ve gotten used to adapting to her moods, but it does mean she can be quite negative during a particularly monotonous period. For example, during team meetings, she will be grumpy or moody. She will agree to do certain tasks, but then complain about them. Of course we’ve all been known to make comments like this, but her tone can be quite negative or brusque. My manager and I usually try to comment about the other valuable things she does, or lighten the mood by sharing our boring tasks too, but I’m not sure if it works and to me it feels glaringly obvious that we are trying to pacify her and she knows it.

We’ve also tried to encourage her to let off steam by messaging in Teams if there’s a particularly annoying/repetitive set of emails to respond to, and by offering to take on some of them. She has started venting a little over Teams, but usually brushes off offers of support. At times like this or when she’s having a difficult time personally, she has also seemed disengaged or demotivated in wider staff meetings or on one-to-one calls.

Though it’s not the best working environment to have a grumpy colleague, I’m glad that she is making her feelings known. However, we wonder if there is more we could do to support her. Unfortunately monotonous work will always need to be done! Do you have any advice on coping strategies for this type of work, and how I can best support her? I am not very good at being direct!

It’s true that everyone vents about their job occasionally, but most people manage to do it in a way that doesn’t regularly bring down the mood of their entire team. That’s the issue here — not that A occasionally lets off steam, but that her routine negativity is affecting the work environment for everyone else.

It also sounds like you might have inadvertently encouraged some of this — in an effort to be supportive, you’ve encouraged her to vent more. I think that’s counterproductive. If A is unhappy with her job, the solution isn’t to make everyone engage in extra emotional labor to help her manage those feelings. As her manager, the solution is to have a straightforward conversation with her along the lines of: “You’ve seemed really unhappy with your work. I want to be up-front with you that XYZ isn’t going to change; that’s the nature of the job. If you decide the job isn’t for you anymore, I’ll support you in figuring out what you want to do next. But I do need you to be realistic that as long as you’re in this position, this is the work.” That’s ultimately more supportive because it’s more realistic. Your role isn’t to coax her into liking work that she doesn’t like; it’s to be clear with her about what the job is, and what can and can’t change about it, so that she can decide for herself if it’s something she’s up for or not. You can do that kindly, but you do need to do it.

You also need to let her know that being openly grumpy on anything more than a very occasional basis isn’t okay because it makes everyone’s else’s work environment harder. That’s going to be a shift in tone from what you’ve been doing so you’ll need to think about how to navigate that in a way that doesn’t give her whiplash — but you really do need to more actively manage what’s going on.

2. My company let me buy a house, then laid me off — then pulled the rug out from under me again

I’ve had a bit of a whirlwind month at work and am feeling extremely demotivated from the fallout. I was previously a remote worker, but management encouraged me to relocate to be more competitive for promotions. I discussed this at length with both my direct manager, Sara, and others in management, who all suggested this move. I had some reservations because we are undergoing a large restructuring and the worst case scenario would be to commit to purchasing a house and then be laid off. I was reassured that there were no layoff plans for my team and ultimately purchased the house and started relocating.

Less than a full workday after I closed, Sara brought me into a meeting with some higher-ups and let me know the entire team is being offshored and all employees will be laid off at the end of the year. Internally, I was furious. It felt like management had misled me for months as I considered whether to relocate. I did not express this at the time, wanting to stay professional. In later meetings, Sara and her supervisor indicated the restructuring had created a new position that they wanted me to take. I had been doing my due diligence and applying elsewhere, including some internal transfers, but I kept in close communication with Sara about my status. I was waiting to hear from one internal position and let Sara know I expected a response on Monday and could decide then which offer I was more interested in. She seemed supportive and relayed it to the others involved, all of whom said that would be fine and they would contact me if anything changed before then.

On Monday, I was blindsided again. The other position decided to go with the other finalist. When I reached out to Sara to update, she said they had decided to offer the position to someone else because “we couldn’t wait another day.” It felt like a huge insult — they couldn’t have let me know they needed an answer sooner? Why did they tell me they would make a decision Monday and then go back on that?

I’m now stuck on what to do next. I know another position on the other team is coming open soon, and that since I was in the final two candidates before I would be a likely choice for this round. But can I really trust my workplace at all after they’ve pulled the rug out twice? Should I chalk this up to an issue with my direct manager, or should this be a red flag to get out now?

Well, we know you can’t trust Sara, who has behaved abominably. It’s true that companies usually can’t tip people off about layoffs ahead of time, but when you know someone who’s being considered for a layoff is buying a house — specifically because you have encouraged them to move — and they’ve discussed their worries about that with you at length, you can find ways to subtly hint. And then not bothering to tell you she needed your answer on the other position a day earlier, after assuring you she didn’t? There’s no excuse for that.

That’s all about Sara. I can’t say from the outside whether you should get out of your company altogether. To answer that, I’d say to look at what else you know about them: have you seen other managers treat people well and with transparency? Does this feel like an aberration for the broader company culture or is it on some level unsurprising?

You could always take the other position if it’s offered without calling off the rest of your search, and if an external offer comes along after that, your company has forfeited any expectation that you wouldn’t take it.

3. I saw an anti-union training on our CEO’s credit card bill

I work in accounting for a nonprofit. My workplace is not unionized, and I am not aware of any current efforts to unionize. Our CEO’s credit card expenses recently included a union prevention training. As I said, I’m not aware of any current efforts to unionize, but am I allowed to share this information with fellow staff who I know are pro-union and would be interested to learn this? I’m not asking about our internal policies, but rather what regulations exist regarding what kinds of information people in certain positions can share. Does the answer change if it’s just me talking with interested staff versus actual organizers for a current unionization effort? If a unionization campaign were to happen at my organization, is there anything else I should know as a pro-union person with access to all the financial data?

There are no laws that protect your right to share confidential information that you’re given access to as part of doing your job (with the exception of whistleblower laws, which this wouldn’t fall under). Your employer almost certainly expects you to not to shit-stir on the basis of what you see on the CEO’s credit card bill, and could legally fire you for abusing that access. That is true regardless of whether or not there’s an active unionization effort going on; in both scenarios, employers can require people in positions that require confidentiality and discretion to maintain that confidentiality.

For what it’s worth, you sent me the name of the training and the organization hosting it, and I don’t think it’s particularly egregious — it’s pitched as how to maintain positive employee relations so employees don’t feel they need to organize. (And yes, lots of anti-union stuff uses that framing, but I don’t think it’s the sort of thing that warrants risking your job, or that it’s a sign your CEO is actively looking to bust up unions — at least not any more than most CEOs are, which is a non-zero amount.)

4. Asking to work from home more often after a traumatic workplace event

Warning for gun violence

I got my dream job recently (thanks for your cover letter help!) and I’ve been here for five months now. This job has a really, really great hybrid policy — basically, you need to come in at least one day a week, but you can choose when that day is. It really attracted me to this job. However, employees have to work there at least a year before they can go hybrid. And I was fine with that, until recently.

I work in an office building, but the first floor is connected to a food court/mall/train station area that’s open to the public. The first floor isn’t owned by the company that employs me, so it’s not technically a part of our company, but most every employee uses it, whether it’s for the train station or for getting lunch at the food court.

There was an incident a few weeks ago where someone came in to the food court and started shooting. Thankfully, no one was killed, and the injured people will all recover. I wasn’t present (I missed it by 30 minutes) but we did have a shelter in place order for a few hours while the police arrested the guy. The shooter never came anywhere near our offices. Even if he wanted to, he would have had to get past a locked gate, two security desks, and an elevator that needs a key card (and each key card can only go to a specific floor).

I feel silly for it since it really didn’t affect me, but I kind of want to ask if I can start the hybrid work early. But at the same time, I worry that I’ll come across as trying to flout the rules or like I’m taking advantage of what happened. After all, it’s not like it’s likely to happen again. My experience with my boss and HR has been good so far, but I don’t want to push it. Would it be okay to at least try and ask? I do have a diagnosed anxiety disorder, but should I disclose that? Or would it be best to wait out the remaining seven months?

It’s okay to ask. They might say no, but any compassionate person would understand why you’re raising it, in light of what happened. You don’t need to mention the anxiety disorder; this is a reasonable thing one might want to ask about regardless.

However, you could also try the formal accommodations route, given the anxiety. There are reasons to be cautious about doing that, but it’s another avenue if you want it.

5. Firefighters aren’t being fed enough food

I work as a contract paramedic on wildfires. I’ve been doing this for three seasons now. Each year, I go out there and it feels like the food quality from our contractors gets worse and worse for everyone in fire camp. I’m genuinely concerned about the nutrition of the firefighters I serve. Firefighters work so hard — they need ~4,000+ calories a day to compensate for the work they’re doing — and I’m appalled at the state of the food they’re served.

To explain, catering in camp is contracted out by the federal government to the lowest-bidding private companies. In theory, this is fine. In practice, it means bidders cutting every corner they can to pocket an extra penny. 60-70% of the time, food is not great but fine. But the rest of the time, I’ve seen full-grown firefighters forced to sustain themselves on prepackaged snacks (e.g., goldfish crackers, cheap protein bars, etc.) and/or receive raw/moldy/otherwise inedible foods for breakfast/lunch/dinner in often remote locations where there are no other food options. Us medical staff get ~6-8 GI complaints per fire, and those are just the ones being reported.

How do I change this?? I’ve complained every year to my medical bosses, who all agree with me and complain up the chain as well. But barring a few specific fires that get viral attention (a Tweet about raw chicken or moldy bread getting a caterer fired, for example), I have not seen structural change. Even though there are guidelines as to what caterers have to cook, I’ve seen them violate it time and again without experiencing any consequences. Beyond my bosses, who do I contact to address the issue? It affects both me and the firefighters and I can’t figure out how to improve the situation.

I know this isn’t your typical workplace and it’s fine if you don’t have any answers, I’m just not sure where to turn for advice at this point.

I’m not sure but I bet some reader knows, so I’m printing this in the hopes that you get useful suggestions in the comment section. The inspector general for the federal agency that oversees the program? Members of Congress on the appropriate subcommittee? Someone out there knows. (And if nothing else, I suspect some reporter might be really interested in writing about it.)