my boss wants a “guide to getting the best out of me”

A reader writes:

My boss, the head of a foundation with 10-15 employees, switches up annual review questions each year. The past three years, the questions have been reflective and mostly for staff’s benefit, according to him, and which I mostly experience as true.

This year, there were three short reflective questions and then a sheet titled “Guide to Getting the Best Out of Me” with these prompts:

If someone has coaching for me, here’s my best advice for how — and when — to offer it so I can hear it:
• Pet peeves about feedback:
• If triggered by feedback, how can others tell?
• Advice for handling or interpreting my reactions:
• Do I prefer feedback by phone/email/chat/in-person?

Am I off in thinking this is overly invasive? There’s a serious trend in the nonprofit/philanthropic space to lead with your heart. Even compared with those approaches, this demands a level of vulnerability I am not comfortable with, as the psychological safety is not present to support it. Consultants, stop pumping out this therapy-speak!

Additionally, my boss is a massive undermanager and fancies himself a mentor while avoiding hard conversations and leaning into passive aggressive staff meeting statements.

It’s a mix of intrusive and not intrusive.

It’s very reasonable to ask if you prefer to receive feedback by phone/email/chat/in-person — a lot of people have strong preferences in that area and it’s good for managers to know what they are. That doesn’t mean they’ll always be able to comply; sometimes circumstances might require that it happen a different way — but it’s still useful to know.

The question about how to offer feedback “so I can hear it” will be a little too touchy-feely for some people, but it’s not an outrageous framing. You could always write something bland like “I’m always open to feedback” or “No strong preferences.”

But “if triggered by feedback, how can others tell”? It’s pretty weird to assume you’ll be triggered by feedback at all. And triggered in particular is such a loaded word. It would be better framed as “if I disagree with feedback” or something else less intense/therapized than “triggered.” And frankly, if someone is regularly getting triggered by feedback, there’s a problem; I don’t like the way this question makes it sound routine.

This is made worse by the fact that your boss is “a massive undermanager who fancies himself a mentor while avoiding hard conversations and leaning into passive aggression.” If your boss were a good manager, I suspect these questions would grate less — they still would be A Lot, but they’d land differently than they do coming from a boss who is already getting the basics wrong. We can debate whether any managers should be delving into this kind of therapy-speak, but it’s particularly provoking from a manager who’s asking for psychological exposure without having done any of the work to make that a reasonable or safe request.

everything you need to know about how to take vacation time

Here’s a round-up of everything you need to know about taking vacation time.

the basics

everything you need to know about taking vacation time from work

what’s the etiquette for taking vacation time?

everything you need to know about time off when you start a new job

how far in advance can you request time off?

is using your PTO a “privilege”?

what if there’s never a good time to go?

how to take vacation when there’s always work to be done

how to take vacation when it’s never a good time to leave work

when your boss is the obstacle

my boss thinks I need a better reason to take vacation days

my boss demands to know how I’m spending my time off before he’ll approve it

whenever I take time off work, my boss calls me a slacker

my boss won’t approve my time off for a video game competition

I can’t go on vacation because no temp can meet my boss’s demanding expectations

when you’re the boss

how to get employees to take vacation — and why you should

how can I get employees to use vacation time?

how can I take time off when my team needs it more?

when your office contacts you while you’re on vacation

my boss says I should always be available on my days off

my office contacts me constantly while I’m on vacation

my office asks people to work while they’re on vacation

everyone in my office works while they’re on vacation

can my employer require me to answer my cell phone on vacation?

my boss wants me to check in every day while I’m on vacation

miscellaneous

I can’t take more than one week of vacation at a time

how soon after starting a new job can you take a whole week off?

my coworker booked all the best vacation days for the year and no one else can have them

how to request time off for a last-minute interview

taking time off after you’ve already given notice

my coworkers keep pressuring me to take vacation — but I need to save up time for a chronic illness

should I have to take vacation time for this day when I regularly work extra hours?

how to ask for more vacation time

our employee was the victim of a sextortion scam — did we mishandle it?

A reader writes:

I volunteer on a staffing committee in my mainline Protestant church. Our employee in a role focused on young people self-disclosed that he had taken and electronically sent an inappropriate picture to someone who he believed to be a 27-year-old woman, but who he only knew online. He became a sextortion victim and disclosed it to us when requests for money ramped up in combination with threatening to release damaging evidence to his employer.

We took this seriously — sought legal advice and also encouraged our employee to seek his own legal advice and report the crime to the police. Legal counsel first advised us to immediately terminate him, which we were uncomfortable with because he was a self-reporting victim of a crime that happened outside of work. We worked with legal counsel to devise a safe return to work plan, including eight weeks of paid administrative leave to seek therapy and legal assistance. We crafted a social media policy and a code of ethics policy which did not exist prior. We offered him the opportunity to return with a six-month probationary period dependent upon signing and agreeing to those policies, submitting regular reports from his therapist, and having sufficient adult support for all events so as to never leave him as only one of two volunteers (a minimum of three, when the typical requirement is a minimum of two).

After returning, he repeatedly butted heads over what he saw as unfair requirements. He felt our response was overreacting and the stipulations for volunteers at higher numbers was onerous. It felt like I was working harder to keep him in his job than he was. It turns out I was. We did not know that before agreeing to return, he’d decided not to remain beyond a few months. He returned with a plan to wind down his work and leave on his terms. We entered in planning on seeing transformation and growth. Obviously, we had mismatched expectations and goals from the start.

We terminated him after 3.5 months because he was railing against the boundaries and safeguards in place and not performing up to the standard we had set. We provided two weeks of pay at termination, which were not legally required.

Seven months later, he released a 6,000-word public blog and series of TikTok videos disclosing his transgression, and detailing his paid administrative leave, his return to work, and subsequent termination from his point of view. He calls out several “flags” he experienced: 1) We denied him an annual raise at the time of his return to work, 2) he was “scolded” (i.e., provided feedback that wasn’t glowing) about how he performed relevant parts of his job, 3) HR and his boss met together before their weekly status meetings (required as part of probation) which felt like ganging up him, and 4) we required him to sign policies and receive therapy reports, which made him feel like a criminal.

I am wondering if I’m that far out of line with workplace norms. I feel we treated him fairly. We provided paid leave for him to deal with the mental and legal consequences. We provided a second chance, albeit with some strict boundaries and milestones to be met. I did all I could to offer a path to stay and honestly, he had already decided not to stay long term. He paints us as having treated him unfairly in his blog, which is read by many members of our community. I write to you to see if you think that I did him wrong so I can learn for the future.

I appreciate that you’re asking because, yes, I think your organization did him wrong. Significantly so.

He was the victim of a crime. He didn’t solicit a minor or expose kids to inappropriate material or flash people on the street. He sent a nude photo of himself in what it sounds like he believed was a consenting adult relationship. Now, maybe there’s more to it than that — but based on what you’ve described here, he was simply the victim of an extortion scam. (And since it was a scam, I’m betting the recipient explicitly requested that photo, which is typical in that type of scam.) You yourself call him the victim of a crime!

So what was his crime that resulted in all these consequences — the administrative leave, the new supervision requirements, and, especially, the reports from his therapist? In particular, the latter is highly, highly intrusive, and not something an employer should ever require — but especially not when someone has been victimized.

Your letter reads as if this employee transgressed in some serious way and can’t be trusted around kids now. You say you hoped to see transformation and growth. Transformation and growth from what? Again, he engaged in private adult conduct with a consenting adult, and then was victimized. (When I first read your letter, I assumed he must have sent nude photos to a minor, but it doesn’t seem like he did.) The appropriate response from you as his employer was support and sympathy — some time off for legal help if he needed it (typically that would mean an afternoon or two; eight weeks of mandatory leave makes no sense). Nothing warranted directing him to seek therapy, let alone the other measures put in place.

I assume the fact that you’re a church accounts for the response, but even in that context this is overstepping. I assume your organization must think adults sharing private photos consensually is a terrible sin … which is a framework I fundamentally disagree with, but giving it a good-faith shot: Do your employees sign any kind of moral code of conduct agreeing not to engage in private sexual behavior with other consenting adults? If so and if this violated that, then either fire him or treat it like any other conduct issue, which presumably would mean issuing a serious warning and being clear that any additional offenses would jeopardize his job. All the rest was excessive and misplaced, both from a management point of view and from a human one. If he didn’t agree to any kind of moral code of conduct, then you don’t have standing to police his private sex life. If you want that standing, you should be very, very clear about the outside-of-work conduct you require and ensure people opt into that before you hire them. (I’d argue it’s an overstep regardless, but if nothing else an employer owes its employees transparency about it.)

But if you’re asking me to assess this from an employment/management perspective: The organization was in the wrong, it treated him as a criminal when he was a victim, and he was right to take issue with what happened.

boss doesn’t want me to read documents before signing them, employer is revoking work-from-home, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My boss said she doesn’t trust people who read documents before signing them

At a previous position, I offended my supervisor by actually reading the many office policies I was given to sign. I don’t like signing documents without reading them and assumed that it was important for me to know the policies so that I could follow them, so I read everything thoroughly and probably asked a couple of clarifying questions.

Much later, my boss revealed that she believed one should sign these documents without reading them as a demonstration of trust in your employer, and that she doesn’t trust anyone who does read these documents because she assumes you are trying to figure out what you can get away with. I was so confused by her reaction, because it was clear these were sincerely held beliefs by this supervisor but seemed so completely divorced from reality that I couldn’t really respond at all.

How could I have responded to her beyond staring in utter confusion? Or respond if someone ever raised that concern in the moment when I’m presented with the policy documents, instead of bringing it up a year later as evidence that I’m plotting against them? (It was a very toxic workplace.)

What on earth?! Does she sign contracts with vendors without reading them too, or is it only your employer you’re supposed to place blind trust in? Moreover, since these were policies you were agreeing to follow, how did she think you’d be able to follow them if you didn’t read the documents to find out what they were? Your supervisor was out of her gourd, and I’m betting this wasn’t the only problem.

As far what to say in the moment, one option was, “It’s been drilled into me never to sign anything without reading it. My lawyer would kill me.” Another: “I don’t even sign anything my spouse gives me without reading it, and I trust him completely.” Another: “I’m reading them so I know what policies to follow; otherwise, how would I make sure I was complying?”

2. My employer is revoking work-from-home but I live 300 miles away

Three years ago, I was hired to work remotely for a midsize nonprofit in another state. Recently, the powers-that-be at this organization have decided to limit remote work to one day a week maximum.

I know that historically the organization has disliked remote work (to the extent that you couldn’t work from home even once in a blue moon, like if your kid was home sick — you just had to use a sick day, even if your job could be done just fine 100% remotely). Obviously, they had to ease up on that when the pandemic hit, and I was hired during that period of time. They hired me knowing I live 300 miles away and have no intention to relocate.

It’s literally impossible for me to comply with the new limit — not just a matter of an annoyingly long commute, but physically impossible within the bounds of physical time. Relocating to be in compliance is not an option — I live in another state and my husband has a state-specific business license here, and frankly my compensation is nowhere near the level it would require to motivate us to make such a major life change.

If they go through with the rollback of the WFH policy, does that count as them letting me go? Or will I technically have to resign/quit?

(If it matters for context: it’s not that they’re trying to intentionally force me out; I’m a top performer and my direct supervisor has said that if I can’t be an employee anymore she’ll just contract with me, which is a nice endorsement of my skills, but I prefer the stability of being an employee. They just seriously have a very old-fashioned view of remote vs. in-person work.)

Before you assume anything, ask directly! Start with your boss, who should find out the answer for you if she doesn’t know herself, but if she’s not doing that then ask HR. Say this: “I would comply with the change if I could, but I was hired already working 300 miles away and relocating isn’t an option for me. Since I can’t commute daily from this distance, what does this mean for my job here?”

Some orgs doing this will make exceptions for people who obviously can’t come in because of distance. Others won’t. But there’s enough of a chance they will that you should start by asking what their plan is. If they give you a non-answer like “there are no exceptions to the new policy,” then you should say, “So given that I’m too far away to comply, what does that mean for my job? Are you letting me go and, if so, what will my last day be?”

Technically this should be considered something like a layoff (and you’re likely to be eligible for unemployment too), but you might have to nudge them to spell it out.

3. My drunken boss tried to kiss me but it’s been handled — what do I say to coworkers?

My question is mostly about how to return to normal after something unsettling at work. My boss is/has been a functioning alcoholic, which came to a head at the Christmas party when whilst smashed he tried to kiss me, I freaked out, and he got chucked out by security for being too drunk to stand up unaided. HR has actually been incredibly good about it, and it’s all been dealt with sensitively and incredibly well, but do you have any suggestions for a script for how to get back to normal now we’re broadly over and done with the admin of it?

Honestly, I don’t even feel that angry at him anymore, mostly because I think of Drunk Boss and Sober Boss as being different men, and he immediately agreed to my resolutions which were an apology and a commitment to get himself into AA or similar.

Obviously people are allowed to have their own feelings about his behavior, but I just need a good script for “Yeah I know, but I accepted his apology and I’d rather not dwell on it, let’s just move on.”

This is for when others are bringing it up with you? If so, your language here works fine! But another way to say it would be, “Yes, but it’s been handled, and I’d rather not rehash it and just want to move forward.”

4. Can I skip recurring meetings that aren’t that useful?

What’s the protocol for attending recurring meetings that take place every other month or so? These meetings aren’t at all mission critical to my work, nor are any specific directives provided. Rather, they’re an opportunity for people in our (very large) organization to come together and talk shop, share insight on projects they’re working on, crowdsource ideas, troubleshoot questions, etc.

Generally speaking, it’s nice to see people I don’t typically work with. But I’ve never left these meetings thinking, “Wow! That was a game-changer.” To be honest, I find them to be somewhat of a chore and they can feel like a waste of time.

My manager has never come down and said these meetings are mandatory, but we’re generally expected to attend. And most of the time, it’s not an issue. I get that it’s polite to show up and put in an effort, but there are times when I have a meeting conflict or I’m in the zone with work and don’t want to stop, etc.

Is that permissible enough reason to skip if I’d like to or is this one of those things where I just need to bite the bullet and go?

It depends on your organizational culture. In some orgs, it would completely fine and unremarkable to skip the meetings when you had a conflict or a deadline you needed to focus on. In others, it would be frowned upon. One way to figure it out is to look at what other people at your level do, but you can also just ask your manager. Don’t ask “can I quit attending these completely?” but ask if it’s okay to skip it when you have a conflict or time-sensitive work to get done.

5. How do I manage an employee who doesn’t want to move up?

I have an odd question in that everything is going great, and I’m wondering if being a good manager means disrupting that. I recently began managing an employee who is fantastic at his job. He also seems perfectly content in it — i.e., he’s had the same title and responsibilities for several years and has displayed neither interest nor action in pursuing anything different. But I’ve always thought part of being a good manager was helping your employees grow and develop beyond their current roles. Does that apply when your employee is perfectly good at their job and perfectly happy to be doing it, even after several years? If not, what are some ways I can be a good manager to this employee? For the record, I’m aware this is not a terrible problem to have!

Part of being a good manager is helping your employees grow and develop beyond their current roles when they want that. Not everyone does! Some people are content remaining where they are and don’t have any interest in moving up or taking on new responsibilities, and managers should respect that. (At least, assuming it aligns with the organization’s needs. There are cases where you might need the role itself to evolve, and it’s reasonable to say you need someone in the job who’s willing to do that — but that doesn’t sound like the case here.) So the way to be a good manager to this person is to appreciate that you have someone who’s great at his job who doesn’t want to leave (a benefit for you!) and ask him what he needs to remain happy and engaged. The answer might be, “Don’t change anything; I find meaning and challenge from other parts of my life, and this job supports that.” Or who knows, maybe he’ll have other ideas. But take your cues from him.

my boss wants to do walking meetings and I can’t keep up with her pace

A reader writes:

My grandboss (my manager’s manager) is on a “wellness journey” (her words) and has suggested doing skip level 1:1s as walking meetings instead of in her office.

On the one hand, I love the idea, because I am trying to avoid spending time in small spaces with unmasked colleagues because I don’t want to get Covid again. On the other hand, when we actually had a walking meeting, my grandboss was power walking! Her pace was faster than I wanted to go while conversing.

In the moment, I decided to go at the speed I wanted to go at, to avoid sounding out-of-breath. So we ended up walking around the track at my speed, but my boss was a foot in front of me the whole time.

For the record, my walking speed is not “tortoise.” When I’m walking downtown, I regularly have to weave around slower walkers. But for a skip level meeting, I want to “work while walking,” not “exercise while working.”

I fear that, if I raise the issue, it will make my boss think, “Wow, not only is she fatter than me, but she’s not even on a wellness journey like I am! What a lazy slob.”

So: on a scale of “strolling so slowly that I can sip from a thermos without breaking my stride” to “I’m contending for the Olympic speed walking team,” what’s the right pace for a walking meeting? And if my colleague isn’t picking up on my speed preference, should I go at her speed, go at my speed and pretend I haven’t noticed she wants to go faster, talk about it, or avoid walking meetings?

The right speed for a walking meeting is the speed at which the slowest person is comfortable and can talk easily.

That’s because the meeting itself needs to be the most important thing, not the exercise. If a faster person can’t bear to slow down, then walking meetings don’t work well for them. Staying a foot in front of a colleague the whole time is rude (and implies that exercise takes priority over the meeting content or, you know, general politeness).

That means that anyone participating in a walking meeting needs to be highly attuned to what speed the other person is comfortable with.

They also need to be attuned to whether the other person really wants to do a walking meeting or not. Walking meetings can be great when both people enthusiastically agree to them! Some people love them. But mutual enthusiasm is key because not everyone does — and many people aren’t physically able to do them comfortably or at all. That’s especially important for managers because the power dynamic means that some people may be uncomfortable asking for a slower pace or declining altogether.

To be clear, most managers who suggest walking meetings will be perfectly fine with someone saying they prefer to sit down in an office. But employees won’t always be sure about that, so managers need to make it really obvious that no one will be judged for declining. (For example, it’s easier to say no to a walking meeting when it’s phrased as “Any interest in walking during our meeting? If not, that’s completely fine — I know you might need to have notes or a screen in front of you instead.” And it’s even easier when you’re not put on the spot at all and instead your boss sends a general FYI to your team like, “If anyone ever wants to do a walking meeting for our 1:1, I’m up for it — zero pressure but let me know if you ever do.”)

As for what to do … do you want to do more walking meetings? If you’d rather not do them at all, you could say to your grandboss, “I’ve realized I can’t focus as well while we’re walking and I like to take notes so I’d rather meet in your office if we can.” If you’d enjoy them if only she’d slow down, you could say, “I’m up for walking but I can’t go at your speed and still talk comfortably. If slower is an option, I’m in.” (And then if she doesn’t slow down anyway, decide if you’re still up for doing them if she’s always going to be ahead of you or whether you’d rather return to in-office meetings.) But if you don’t really care if she’s a foot ahead of you the whole time, then proceed as you are; she can adjust her speed or stop proposing walks together if she minds.

I would not assume that she will judge you for not walking at her speed or for not wanting to walk at all, unless you see evidence of that. If she’s pushy about it or you hear her make dismissive remarks about other people not wanting to walk, that’s a problem — and in that case it’s worth having a discreet conversation with either your own boss or HR (probably HR, unless your boss is excellent at this stuff) because penalizing employees for physical ability can easily become a legal liability for your company.

how can I get what I need from my flaky boss?

A reader writes:

I graduated from college last year and since then I’ve been working at my first full-time job. I am in a client-facing role at a small-ish nonprofit, and mostly I love it.

Lately, though, I’ve been having some issues with my boss, Gillian. She has always been kind, open, and accommodating; in a lot of ways I’m grateful because I’ve heard so many boss horror stories. But she’s flaky, and it’s becoming more and more of an issue. For example, she recently implemented a weekly standing meeting for the two of us, which I was happy about because previously our meetings had been inconsistent. However, she’s usually at least 30-90 minutes late to our meetings. It becomes hard for me to schedule meetings with clients on the afternoons I know I’m meeting with her because I know it will inevitably be pushed back and I’ll have to either be late for my client or miss the meeting with my boss and then not be able to pin her down for another week! She is always apologetic but the trend hasn’t changed. This isn’t a huge deal because I know things come up … but also it’s hard to get her to commit to help with anything without a face-to-face discussion.

My primary issue is that every time I meet with Gillian and ask her to do something, she promises to do it (often by end of day) and almost always forgets. This becomes frustrating to me when it harms my work with clients. For instance, I have to clear any big purchases with Gillian so she can order them. We have no issue communicating about what’s feasible/affordable and what isn’t, and she is generally supportive of the bigger purchases I suggest making for clients. But while she promises to purchase things, then she doesn’t do it! My role doesn’t have the budget to make the purchases myself, so I can’t just get her permission and do them on my own – I have to wait for her to make the transaction. I’ve learned not to promise things to my clients until I’m holding the items in my hands, but I feel guilty for taking such a long time to get their needs met when it could have been done so much faster.

Gillian tends to respond to about a quarter of my emails during the week, generally the ones that involve outside stakeholders. She’s a little better over text and phone but has still left my texts unaddressed for days until our next meeting. I don’t think I’m communicating an inappropriate or overwhelming amount – maximum once a day and only about things she’s previously promised. To her credit, she is generally reachable when something urgent comes up with a client and she has been more supportive in those situations.

None of these things are huge problems on their own, but I feel like they’re building up and together they’re really frustrating. That’s especially true because I am generally super organized and committed to meeting my deadlines and I hate to be perceived as unreliable for something that isn’t my fault!

I feel like I have no idea what’s normal and what isn’t in a postgrad workplace and boss-employee relationship. Is this something I just need to take in stride and continue to work around?

Well, there’s how things should be and then there’s how things actually are. There are indeed plenty of managers who are flaky and unreliable, and their teams do just end up finding ways to work around them — in many cases, getting things done in spite of them, rather than because of them. It shouldn’t be that way — you should be able to rely on your boss to do what she says she’s going to do — but sometimes that’s the reality of it.

That said, I don’t think you’re there yet. Your boss’s flakiness very well could end up being something you just need to adapt to, but it’s too soon to say for sure; there are tactics to try first.

For starters, name the issue to Gillian! You may think she must realize how often she flakes out, but she might not be aware of how frequently it happens or, importantly, how it’s affecting your work. (Or she might have a vague idea in the back of her mind but is avoiding looking at it head-on because so far she hasn’t had to.) The framing to use when talking to her isn’t “You suck and I can’t count on you,” but rather, “Our current systems aren’t working; can we put new ones in place?”

Sit down with Gillian and say something like this: “I wondered if we could talk about a better workflow for making purchases. It’s taking a long time to get items for clients; for example, Client A ended up waiting two months to get X and Client B still doesn’t have Y, even though we promised it to her last summer. I know you’re juggling a lot, so I wondered if it would help if, for example, I send you a weekly reminder of what purchases we’re waiting on, or if there’s some other system we can put in place that would help.” And feel free to include other ideas that could help. For example, would she be willing to give you formal authority to spend up to $X a quarter so you can keep things moving? (I’m focusing on the purchases since that’s the example you gave, but you can adjust this language to include other challenges too.)

It could be that the only fix is for Gillian to get her act together — which isn’t something you can implement on your end — but who knows, there might be improvements to the procedure that would help her do that. Even if there aren’t, you’ll have flagged for her that the way she’s operating is causing problems for your work.

Now, when you raise the subject, you may find that Gillian isn’t as concerned as you are. In nonprofit work in particular, people are often stretched thin and making near-daily trade-offs on priorities. It’s possible Gillian is deliberately de-prioritizing your requests because they’re less important than other work she has on her plate. But even if that’s the case, it will be good to hear it so that you can adjust your expectations and get a better sense of what’s realistic. Either way, it’s a worthwhile conversation.

It’s also smart to ask Gillian if you’re using the best methods to communicate with her. You could say that you’ve noticed she’s not as responsive over email and ask if she prefers you text or call instead, or save up everything that’s not time sensitive for one call or meeting a week, or follow up if she hasn’t responded after two days, or so forth.

Separately, at some point, you should also address the situation with your meetings, which could sound like this: “I know your schedule is really busy and so you often have to push back our meetings. That ends up meaning I either can’t schedule clients on those afternoons or I’m late for them or need to cancel entirely. Is there another day or time that we could plan on more reliably?” Again, ideally this will lead to a solution, but if nothing else, it should nudge her into realizing she’s making things difficult for you. As with the discussion above, you might hear that while she knows it’s not ideal, it’s also unavoidable … but it’s important to bring the issue to the surface all the same.

If you have those conversations and nothing changes, then yes, at that point you’ll know this is simply how your boss operates and then you can move into a mode of figuring out the best ways to work around it. Or you might decide you’re willing to change jobs over it. Although, I will say, this comes up with enough managers that working around it is a useful skill to have.

Originally published at New York Magazine.

a hoarder at work is causing a mouse problem

A reader writes:

I work in a lab at a university. Back in August, we starting noticing mice. One of the employees in a leadership position, Julie, has a hoarding problem. Her office is full of so many piles of stuff you can’t walk through it, and there are closets full of her stuff as well. She has brought back seeds and organic material from all over the world, and the mice definitely originated in one of these piles of stuff. They are now all over the lab.

We had university facilities come to make a pest control plan. They took one look at Julie’s office and said, “We can’t do anything until she cleans up her stuff. Otherwise the mice will just keep nesting in there no matter what we do. So contact us once the stuff is gone.”

It has been three months. Julie has done a partial cleaning but moved a lot of stuff into an empty office, and now there is a weird smell coming from that office. The closets have not been cleaned. There are more and more mice being spotted. There is mouse poop all over my desk and possessions, even though I keep my office clean and free of food.

I keep sending emails about mouse and poop sightings, keeping a polite tone but saying that I do not feel this is a healthy work environment. The higher-ups calmly respond saying that Julie “understands” and is working to correct it. Numerous employees have tried to talk to her, to no avail. Several of us are working from home as much as possible out of disgust.

I brought up making an HR complaint against Julie to the university, and I was told that is inappropriate and unkind to her, and that we should be able to work it out among ourselves. I have also been told a few times that Julie has a mental health problem, so we should be kind and understanding to her by not escalating it or getting angry.

It has now been months. Last weekend, I got disgusted emails from students who were doing lab work and saw mice. I forwarded it to ask about the progress of the cleaning. Now the whole lab just got an email about an upcoming staff meeting, where it is suggested that we all spend 30-60 minutes “pitching in” to help Julie clean out her stuff.

I do not want to go through the stuff, and I do not think it should be my responsibility to do so. I feel disrespected and I said that to our director and the organizer of the staff meeting. I was told that I am not obligated to help at the staff meeting if I don’t want to.

I sense these coworkers are annoyed with me because of my persistence. The meeting organizer wrote, “I don’t know what to say. I am just trying to find a solution. Julie has a mental health problem.”

What is reasonable in this situation?

You are the reasonable one.

It’s true that hoarding is a mental health problem, and Julie should be treated kindly and compassionately. But that doesn’t mean “allow her to create hazardous or filthy conditions for others.” It doesn’t mean “we can’t do anything until she decides on her own to clean up her stuff.” It doesn’t mean “we can only take tiny baby steps because we don’t want to upset Julie.”

The Americans with Disabilities Act, the federal law that protects employees with disabilities at work, requires that employers work with employees to find “reasonable accommodations” that still allow them to perform the essential functions of their jobs. It does not require accommodations that would pose what the law calls “undue hardship.” Your employer is not required to let Julie hoard in her office, to accept dirty or hazardous conditions, or to resign itself to mice. It would be perfectly legal for them to say to her, “We need to clean up this space in the next two weeks. It’s up to you whether you’d prefer to be part of that process or if it would be easier to work from home on the days when it happens.” They can say, “We’re open to modifications that will make this easier on you, such as adding an additional shelving unit in your space, but once those shelves are filled, nothing more can be added.” They can say, “If there are other ways to make this easier, let’s discuss them.” If Julie says the way to make it easier is to let her continue hoarding, they can kindly explain that’s not possible. They can hold the line that the space needs to be clean and vermin-free.

As for what to do … rather than making an HR complaint against Julie, what about making an HR complaint about the situation in general? Because it’s not just Julie — it’s also the higher-ups who are refusing to act. (In fact, they bear more of the responsibility than Julie does.) Since some of your coworkers have indicated they’d find that “unkind,” you should mention to whoever takes your complaint that you’re concerned about retaliation and ask if you can be kept anonymous. In some situations, there’s no way to investigate a complaint without compromising the reporter’s anonymity, but this is not one of those situations. It sounds like there are dozens of people who could have reported it, including students, or the university could have found out about it some other way, like from cleaning staff.

should management be included in a company raffle, NSFW music on a work laptop, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Should management be included in a company raffle?

Our company has about 90 full-time employees in production, shipping, and other non-management roles, plus about 15 temps. Management includes another 25 people, including product managers, who don’t manage people.

Our holiday party this year included a raffle with some rather generous items: a couple of large TVs, a mini fridge, etc. There were also a few less expensive things like bath and body gift sets.

Out of the 35 or so items, four of them, including one TV and the mini fridge, went to managers. Another couple went to temps who have only been with us for a week or two. Everyone received a grocery gift card for $50, regardless of if they won a prize.

It feels off to me that managers were included in the raffle, especially with them walking off with some of the better, more expensive prizes. I didn’t say anything about it, but there was definitely some grumbling after lunch. Should management be included in something like this? No, I didn’t win anything, and I don’t think it was rigged. LOL

Yeah, it’s a bad look for big prizes to go to management! High-level managers’ names really shouldn’t be included in raffles at all — but if they are and a top-level manager wins a big-ticket item, they should decline so another name can be drawn. (That wouldn’t normally include product managers who don’t manage people; we’re talking high-level execs here.)

Related:
HR rigged our company raffle

2. Why is my corporate credit card affecting my personal credit?

I am the administrator of a veterinary clinic, and I have been added as the authorized user of one of our business credit cards so I can easily purchase what we need. I’ve never had a business card before, and I was under the impression that since it was a business card, it would not affect my personal credit score like a personal credit card would, as I’m not the one paying it off.

Now in the last few months, we’ve been carrying pretty high balances on all our business cards, including the one that I have. As one of the perks of my own personal credit card, I can monitor my credit score without requesting reports all the time. My credit score has dropped almost 100 points since being added as a user for the business card!

This worries me because I’m younger without a lot of credit history of my own. I was an authorized user on my mother’s card, and have a personal credit card of my own now. I also had student loan debt, which I managed to pay off entirely about a month ago. That didn’t even have an effect with how much the score has dropped, due to business activity.

I’m not the one controlling our payments, and I have no sway to increase our payments and lower the amount of debt that the business carries on these cards. Is there anything I can do to reduce the impact that business activity will have on my personal credit score, other than being removed as an authorized user? Is this common in smaller businesses, to use cards that will affect their employee’s credit score? What’s the etiquette for this situation?

You wouldn’t think being an authorized user on a corporate card could affect your personal credit because you’re not the guarantor (the person promising to pay the balance if the primary cardholder defaults) — but as you’re seeing, it can. Although you’re not personally liable for making payments on the card, the card’s usage will sometimes still get factored into your own credit. The big way that happens is around credit utilization; if your employer is carrying a large balance, that can ding your personal score. If they miss payments, most credit reporting agencies say they won’t include that on authorized users’ credit reports (although some even do that!)— but that credit utilization figure can get factored into your score.

That’s all controlled by the credit bureaus themselves, rather than being the way your company chose to set it up (assuming you are indeed just an authorized user and not the account holder).

If you’re thinking this is nonsensical and unfair … yes. One option is to have yourself removed as an authorized user and agree on another way to handle work-related payments, but how feasible that is will vary from job to job.

3. Can I play NSFW music on a work laptop?

My company is fully remote and I work from home. When I’m working on boring tasks, it helps me stay focused if I put on uptempo pop music in the background. I use Spotify for this — I have the Spotify app downloaded onto my work laptop. Uptempo pop is often NSFW (swearing, sexual lyrics, etc.). My work laptop is company-provided and doesn’t currently have software to track my activity, but will soon. When that happens, should I stop playing pop music on my work laptop? My phone and personal computer also have Spotify, but I try to keep them out of sight while working to avoid distraction. Spotify does not have an option to filter/only play clean songs.

You should be fine. If your company objects to you using Spotify from a work computer, they can tell you that (and that would likely just be a simple notification to stop, not something you’d be in any real trouble for, assuming you don’t have an existing policy against downloading non-work apps). If they’re fine with Spotify in general, it’s highly unlikely that they’ll pay attention to the specific songs you’re listening to at home, let alone object to them.

4. When to give notice when my new job doesn’t have a firm start date

I’ve been offered a job with a new company that I’m going to accept. The issue is that the offer did not come with a start date. The start date will likely be 3-4 weeks from now, so plenty of time to give proper notice.

Should I give notice to my current employer now so they have time to start making adjustments, or should I wait until I have a firm start date?

Wait until you have a firm start date! Until that happens, there’s too much risk that it’ll get pushed back for some reason, and the offer isn’t 100% firm until there’s a start date attached.

If you still don’t have a start date a week or so from now, let the hiring company know you’re waiting to give notice until you have one, and that you’ll need X weeks once the date is finalized so that you can give enough notice. (In other words, they can’t wait three weeks to come back with a proposed date and expect it be the following Monday.)

5. Crossing the line in Love Actually

I know that you occasionally answer questions related to movie or TV tie-ins, so I thought I would ask you to weigh in on a discussion my husband and I recently had while watching “Love Actually.” The debate was about where exactly Alan Rickman’s character crossed the line with his admin assistant.

We quickly got into the weeds of debating whether the line was in a different place cheating-wise versus work-wise, but this led me to another question, which is: we all know that he should not have done what he did, but what should he have done? Ignored her flirtation? Shut her down? Had a very serious talk about her behavior that could potentially lead to firing her? (And if he did, should he have met with her in private with a door closed, or kept the door open, potentially allowing other employees like Karl to listen in on a disciplinary meeting?) Does he need to think about the optics of possibly firing a direct report who was openly flirting with him in front of other employees?

I tend to think he could have shut her down without a big awkward conversation, just by having better boundaries and pointedly keeping their conversations business-only. For example, when she made that suggestive comment about how at their office party she’d be hanging around the mistletoe, waiting to be kissed, he shouldn’t have gulped and looked uncomfortable, but should have more decisively shut it down — like by saying something like “hopefully not by a colleague!” and then turning away. Instead, he let himself seem intrigued.

There’s a ton you can signal — and shut down — just through your demeanor, particularly when you’re in a position of power (as he was, as her boss). Not always — some people will barrel right through those signals — but often. If that didn’t work, he might have needed to move to a more direct “we don’t have that kind of relationship and this is inappropriate” conversation, but I suspect he wouldn’t have needed to if he had handled it better from the beginning.

my boss is trying to “quiet fire” me — can I just ignore it?

A reader writes:

I have worked for a tiny company in a managerial position for close to 15 years. Over the past few years, the owner/boss has made a consistent series of stunningly bad business decisions that has led from an environment of “high achieving lunacy” to “wow, quite dysfunctional” to “flaming dumpster fire of the highest order.”

This past year has been particularly difficult. She yells and cries and curses, then begs forgiveness. She will ignore projects that require her input or action for weeks or months, ignore the prompts or questions of others, and then swing wildly in the opposite direction and ride everyone hard to get something pretty pointless done in a stupidly short amount of time. She seems to have abandoned our normal work and is now obsessed with auditing 20-year-old files that she could have gotten rid of a decade ago. The “raise and bonus” that she has promised me every year since Covid keeps getting pushed back. I could go on, and on, and on. I have tried to broach these topics with her, multiple times, most recently just before Thanksgiving.

As anxious as it makes me, I know it’s the best choice for me to leave, and I have just started applying for new positions at companies that are (hopefully) less dysfunctional.

That said, what I am witnessing over the past weeks, since I tried to have a discussion on getting the business back on track with her, can best be described as “quiet firing.” She leaves me out of emails and meetings, ignores my replies or messages, doesn’t answer my questions. She took everyone out for lunch the other day, except for me because I was out for a client appointment.

It all has a real “fuck you” feel to it, that the same actions in other situations don’t usually have. However, I kind of … don’t care. If she wants to pay me my salary to ignore my existence or bury me in easy, pointless busywork as I search for a new job, then … cool?

My question is, is this wrong? It doesn’t seem any more unethical for me to stay in this position not doing much of anything because she is trying to be passive-aggressive than the things she has done and stress she has put me through. If I’m already going to leave anyway, is there something wrong with letting this go on until I find a new position?

It’s not unethical to remain in a job where your boss is upset with you or wants you gone; if she wants you gone badly enough, she can tell you that. That’s her job.

Your job is to cover the responsibilities you’re assigned with a reasonable amount of conscientiousness. If your boss tries to bury you in pointless busywork or doesn’t give you the resources you need to do your job … well, that’s her call. In many situations and especially in a senior enough role, I’d argue that you would have a responsibility to raise it at least once to make sure she’s aware that’s how your time is being used and that you think X would be more effective. But when it’s clearly intended as a way to retaliate against you for delivering a message she didn’t want to hear? And when she has a long-running track record of resisting feedback, not to mention what sounds like stringing you along with false promises about salary? No. If she wants to play that game, you’re not obligated to try to save her from herself, particularly when it could mean causing even more problems for yourself at work or even getting fired.

Of course, that’s a different question than whether it’s in your best interests to stay in this situation. It almost certainly isn’t! If this continues for long enough, it risks affecting you professionally, to say nothing about the daily impact on your quality of life. If your question to me was “can I just ride this out for years?” I’d warn you that it was a bad plan.

But you’re actively working on leaving, and there’s nothing wrong with continuing to get paid where you are until you can make that happen. If she wants to pretend you’re not there until then, that’s on her.

my new hire keeps uncovering problems … and I’m embarrassed

A reader writes:

I’m the head of a small organization. A year ago, we hired a new person to fill a newly created position. Jane has 15 years of experience and knows what she’s doing in her field. She is finding problems and issues in many areas. She is gracious about these issues, doesn’t point fingers, and is happy to fix the issues herself. But every time she points out an issue, I find myself getting defensive. The problems are always big ones, not tiny ones, and things we should have caught much earlier (like serious issues with the accuracy of our database).

I’m embarrassed by all the problems and how lax things have gotten and I know it reflects back on me. But, instead of wanting to fix the problems, I often feel as if I want her stop pointing things out and just let things go. The other staff have become defensive and argumentative with Jane about the smallest things. Jane has come to me with some of the issues with the other staff and I’ve not been her strongest advocate because I understand where the others are coming from and am sympathetic to them.

But obviously hiding my head in the sand isn’t going to fix this situation or help us reach the goals we’ve set as an organization. Reaching those goals is one of the reasons we hired Jane.

It embarrasses me that I resent her for so quickly seeing things that no one else saw or thought about or cared to check. It’s embarrassing to feel that “sort of maybe good enough” is the standard I’m now accepting and my staff feels is okay. How do I let go of my defensiveness and support Jane and how do I get the other staff to do the same? I’m worried that, after a year, it may be too late and she’s already looking to leave. If so, I won’t blame her but hope to turn things around with either her or the next person we bring on.

I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.