employee is demanding Diet Coke as a religious accommodation, desk is covered with photos of feet, and more by Alison Green on February 6, 2024 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. Employee is demanding Diet Coke as a religious accommodation My friend is a manager at a public health-focused nonprofit whose mission is focused on building healthier communities by improving access to healthier choices, like walking trails and fresh produce (among other things). They offer some health-related perks to employees — think, subsidized public transit and gym memberships, bike storage at the office, fresh fruit at the office — and also have some policies banning things that are known to lead to poor health outcomes, like smoking. One of the things they have banned is soda, which is not allowed at company events and which the company will not pay for. They are having a fundraiser in a few weeks where there will be a bar serving beer, wine, several healthy mocktails, and sparkling water. Guests will receive two drink tickets as part of their admission that they can use for whatever they’d like, whether alcoholic or not. It is definitely not an alcohol focused event at all — I have attended their fundraises in the past, and the health focus of the nonprofit’s mission means the majority of the people attending are not big drinkers. My friend supervises an employee, “Jane,” who does not drink for religious reasons, but who drinks a lot of Diet Coke (she brings several bottles to the office daily). Jane is insisting she should be able to order Diet Coke at the event since she does not drink, and thinks the company should make an exception to their policy to accommodate her religion. As far as my friend is aware, there is not a religious reason why Jane can’t drink any of the other non-alcoholic beverages that will be offered. He does not want to make this kind of exception because of the impression it might give to their potential donors, but is concerned there might be legal repercussions if he says no. What is the best way for him to handle this situation? There’s no legal requirement to provide Diet Coke as a religious accommodation. They definitely should ensure there are non-alcoholic options there, but they’re already doing that. If they weren’t a health-focused nonprofit with a policy of not providing soda at their events because of their mission and an employee were asking for it, I’d say to spend the few bucks it would take to make an employee feel taken care of at an event, even if it’s a bit of a silly request. It’s not often you can make someone happy for a couple of dollars, and when you can, you should. But this is a health-oriented organization that explicitly doesn’t serve sodas and has legitimate reason to be concerned about sending mixed messages to donors. Your friend should reiterate the organization’s policy and tell her there will be a variety of non-alcoholic options to choose from. 2. Coworker’s desk is covered with photos of feet Joan works with me in an office of about 25 people. It is a laid-back advertising and graphic design office, and most people freely talk about non-work related things throughout the day. When it comes to Joan, aside from her job here, she is also a foot model for advertisements (not fetish stuff). This would be of little concern to me normally, but her work station is plastered in photos of her feet from various publications. She has also occasionally given demonstrations of what are apparently the best ways to pose one’s feet for photographs, and sometimes comments (always positively) about colleagues feet and how they should get into foot modelling too. We have clients and various external persons come in and out through the office during the day, and they have to pass Joan’s feet-filled work station. Although her coworkers have context on her foot obsession and most don’t seem to mind it, these external parties do not, and I’m worried it could deter them from engaging with us. Am I right to be worried about this? I don’t think you’re wrong to worry. If I were a client coming into your office and passed a work area plastered in photos of feet … well, I might think “I guess that person works on some sort of foot-related campaign” … but I’d probably be as likely to think “that feels weird and fetishy.” I would definitely not think “oh, the desk of a foot model!” If you’re Joan’s manager or otherwise have some authority in this situation, you wouldn’t be wrong to explain it looks odd to people without context and ask her to tone down the foot decor. However, I’m now very interested in knowing the best ways to pose one’s feet for photographs. 3. My remote employee didn’t bother to meet with me when they were in town I have a remote employee who travels to the city where our company headquarters is and where I am based once a quarter. Occasionally, they come to the city for work-related reasons that are not directly connected to our department. I found out today that this person had been in town for the entire week when they previously told me they had planned to be in the city for two days. They’re supposed to notify me when they are traveling and working outside of their regular work location, so I need to address that from an administrative standpoint. What I don’t get and what I am really confused about is why this employee doesn’t proactively set up time to meet with me when they are in town? If I only got to see the person making decisions about my promotions and salary increases four times a year in-person, I would want to take advantage of any opportunity I had to interact with them. I’m not sure if it’s lack of awareness of business norms or disengagement. This person has previously asked me about the path to promotion, so it’s hard for me to imagine they’ve totally checked out. It just seems rude to come to the city and not ask your boss if they have time to meet for coffee. Do you have any advice for me? Ask them to start setting up time to meet with you when they’re in town. I see where you’re coming from with being surprised that they’re not doing this on their own, but a lot of people wouldn’t think to do it. They figure you’re busy, or they figure they talk to you all the time anyway, or they just haven’t been exposed to the stuff that says “take opportunities to form a face-to-face relationship with your boss.” It’s so common that you shouldn’t read much into it or consider it rude. Just let them know that you’d like them to do it going forward, if in fact you would. It’s also useful to keep in mind that there’s a difference between “X is smart to do for your career” and “it’s a problem if someone doesn’t do X.” 4. When your boss asks if you’re looking for another job A while back, some of my coworkers gave notice within a week of each other (totally unplanned on their part), which prompted my manager to ask some of the remaining team members, “Are you looking for another job, too?” I’m assuming the answer to that question is almost always “no, I’m not,” but is there ever a situation where you could say, “Well, yes, because XYZ”? It’s almost never in your interest to give your manager a heads-up that you’re job searching before you’re ready to give notice. You could end up pushed out before you’re ready to leave, on a list for layoffs “because you’re on your way out anyway,” or sidelined from projects that could help your career because your manager figures you could be gone any day. And you’re certainly not obligated to disclose that you’re job searching just because your manager asks. That’s not a question they’re entitled to an honest answer to, given the power dynamics and the fact that your ability to pay for food and housing probably depends on keeping your job until you’re ready to leave it. 5. Applying to a company where I previously withdrew from a hiring process I applied for a job in an adjacent industry (think the vendors that service my current industry) last year when I was feeling unfulfilled. I didn’t hear back right away and kept job searching. I was eventually offered a position somewhere else. I rejected it because we couldn’t come to terms on salary and remote work, and my company ultimately offered me more money with a verbal promise of a title bump at the end of the fiscal year. While this was all happening, I got and accepted a first interview with the vendor company. I was invited to the second round, but I withdrew upon getting the counteroffer from my current job. I felt like I’d burn way too many bridges to leave (and I’d have to give up a volunteer role in my industry). When I withdrew, I apologized and cited seeing my commitments through the fiscal year (a teammate had also left and so my area would’ve been short-staffed). The hiring manager expressed her understanding. It’s been over a year and I’m honestly still a bit unsatisfied — I know that’s the danger of counter offers! My company never gave me a title bump even though I took on more work. I saw peers get promoted as well. I’m still well connected with folks at the vendor company and a friend there nudged me that they’re hiring again. I’m still interested and want to apply. But how do I professionally mention why I withdrew? And when do I mention it? It’s the elephant in the room, and I’d ask if I were the hiring manager. Is it worth spending a few sentences in my cover letter talking about it? Do I wait for the first interview (if I get one?) It’s not a big deal to have withdrawn from their hiring process last year, especially since you explained why and especially after only one interview. (If you had gone through multiple interviews, received an offer, and then spent a week agonizing before giving them an answer … well, you could still reapply now, but you’d need to be more prepared to speak to what had changed.) Just mention it right up-front in your cover letter: “I had an initial interview with you about a similar role last year, but ended up withdrawing from your hiring process when I realized I wanted to see out some commitments here. I’m still very interested, and the timing is much better for me to make a move. I liked what I learned last time about your work with X and Y, and I’d love to talk about your ___ opening.” You should also send a note to the hiring manager since you’d talked with her directly before, refreshing her memory about your previous conversation(s) and mentioning that you’re applying again now. Read an update to this letter. You may also like:my boss expects me to share my personal health/diet/spirituality/fitness goals every weekmy boss wants us to meet with a spiritualist to fix the negative energy in our buildingour health committee chair is anti-vax, anti-science, and out of control { 518 comments }
update: men are hitting on my scheduling bot because it has a woman’s name by Alison Green on February 5, 2024 Remember the letter-writer whose scheduling bot was getting hit on because it has a woman’s name? Here’s the (truly excellent) update. I really enjoyed your response and reading the comment section; I wasn’t able to participate because I was particularly slammed at work that day, but it was a great read later in the evening. I wholeheartedly endorse one commenter’s suggestion of a bot-on-bot romcom titled “CAPTCHA My Heart,” and would like to add that there should be a sequel, “ReCAPTCHA My Heart: A Bot Christmas,” starring Vanessa Hudgens as the personification of at least two bots. I was disappointed that even in the AAM comments section, there was a small contingent of (mostly male-presenting) commenters who dismissed this as difficult to believe, or tried to excuse the behavior as people innocently “messing with a bot,” even in the face of HUNDREDS of comments from women all essentially saying, “yup, this tracks.” Then I saw that the article had been shared on some other websites and those comment sections were significantly worse. Alison, I was upset. I decided to take your advice (admittedly, a slightly less polite version of your advice) both to reply the original sender of the most recent email, and to notify their boss. The other emails were no longer recent enough for me to still be working with those clients, but if they come to me again I’ll be sure to bring it up before we schedule anything new. I attached the offending email and wrote: “I noticed the included interaction while conducting a routine review of recent scheduling emails between my automated scheduling assistant and my clients. While you were not actually interacting with a real person, you should know that asking people out on a date after only a very basic professional interaction with no personal details is inappropriate workplace behavior. If this is not, as I hope, a one time lapse in judgment on your part, please consider the impact this has on women who are simply trying to do their jobs and are required by their duties to be polite and pleasant. I would want to know if one of my employees was conducting themselves in this way while representing my business, so I have included (name) on this email.” And I CC’d their boss. Then I sat on it for a day to think about if it was too rude. I decided it was significantly more appropriate than asking out an assistant after a basic scheduling email, that if nobody ever calls this stuff out very directly it’s not going to get better, and that if it somehow cost me a client, I could afford to lose this one. So I sent it. About an hour later, I got a very brief reply from the business owner: “Thank you for the heads-up. I’ll address this. Looking forward to our meeting next week.” So the next week I went to our meeting, he brought up on his own that he had dealt with the issue (he didn’t give specifics and I didn’t ask), and we had a perfectly nice and professional meeting. So that worked out well! If my scheduling bot ever ends up in a romance with a client’s scheduling bot, I’ll be sure to send in another update. But for now, thank you and the commentariat for the advice and humor. You may also like:men are hitting on my scheduling bot because it has a woman's namemy boss said I have "disconcerting heart-to-hearts" with my coworkersmy dad is giving me weird and sexist career advice { 570 comments }
my employee helped a fired coworker get a new job … and lied to me about it by Alison Green on February 5, 2024 A reader writes: I own a small business and a year ago hired an employee on a work visa, “Meg.” While at my company, she met another employee, “Belinda,” who I ended up firing a few months later due to numerous problems. Knowing that they remained friends, I did not discuss with Meg my reasons for firing Belinda, and asked her to keep sensitive information about the company confidential. She agreed and said she would “remain professional.” A few months later, I had dinner with Meg and her fiance, Dave, as friends. Dave manages a luxury retail store and gave me what I thought was good advice on employee management, asking me why I thought Belinda did not perform well, and reassuring me that I did everything I could before firing her. I stayed as vague as possible, knowing that they were friends with her. After another few months, Meg announced that she was going back to her country for at least six months. At the time I was thinking I would re-hire her when she returned, but shortly after I found out Belinda had been working for months at the luxury retail store managed by Dave! When I confronted Meg, she became nervous and admitted that Dave had hired Belinda, and that he did not check her references. I then realized that the “friendly advice” he gave me a couple of months prior was in fact a disguised reference check … and also remembered that he gets paid a substantial bonus for every person he recommends who gets hired. Altogether, the couple stayed mum for at least five months about my former employee’s whereabouts, at one point telling me that she found a new job in an independent boutique. My employment contracts have a non-competition clause asking employees not to hire current or former employees within four months of their departure. Technically, Meg and Belinda have not breached these conditions, since Belinda was hired by Meg’s fiance. But I feel deeply betrayed, and that I have been used by this couple under the pretense of friendship. I do not want to re-hire Meg when she comes back, and I don’t understand why her loyalty laid more with a colleague she met through my company, rather than me. This is making me question if she shared confidential information with her fiance or Belinda, given that she lied about Belinda’s new job for months and I did not suspect a thing. Am I right to feel this way, or did she do nothing wrong? I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here. You may also like:my coworkers have a crush on my boss ... and are taking it out on meI own a game store with a terrible manager who I'm afraid to firean employee is out to get my star performer, and no one else cares { 306 comments }
is my coworker justified in being angry that I reported him for sending out personal mail from the office? by Alison Green on February 5, 2024 A reader writes: I work in an office with six other employees. There are two separate teams, one made up of me and a coworker, the other made up of five people. There isn’t much overlap in what we do, but we do work for the same boss and share the space. Anyway, one day I noticed an employee on the other team, who overall does a good job, with a few personal mail items on their desk. It was apparent to me and later confirmed that they were using our office’s mailing service to send personal mail. I told the boss who oversees all seven employees about this and they formally disciplined the employee. In the meeting, they told them that I had been the one to bring the issue up with them. The employee is now angry at me, and keeps bringing up that I am out to get others and can’t be trusted. They are mad that I didn’t talk to them directly first and claim they had been under the belief that we could send personal mail occasionally, since we are also allowed to use the printer for personal items. Are they justified in being mad at me? What should I have done if not this? Well … yes and no. It’s reasonable for your coworker to wonder why you didn’t talk to them directly first. If they really didn’t realize that they were violating a company policy, you could have simply let them know and (ideally) that would have been that. If that didn’t work and you felt strongly about it, at that point you could have let your manager know. But most people appreciate being approached directly before you take something to their boss, so they have a chance to fix the problem before the person in charge of their paychecks is brought into it. There are some situations where it makes more sense to go straight to the person’s boss. Sometimes something is so serious that a manager needs to be brought in right away, or it needs to be dealt with immediately and the person isn’t around to handle it themselves. Or if the behavior is part of a pattern, you might not have the standing to address the pattern with a peer in an effective way, but their boss can. Or if the person is known to be hostile or defensive, it’s understandable to ask their boss to handle it instead; if someone is a jerk to their colleagues, they forfeit the right to expect peers will talk to them first. But if none of that was the case here, ideally you would have just made sure your coworker knew about the policy by talking to them directly. However, it’s definitely not okay for your coworker to be making such an issue out of it. Continually saying that you’re “out to get” others and can’t be trusted is over the top and disruptive. They can certainly quietly conclude that if they want to, but being openly hostile has to be messing with the work environment for you and others, and that’s not okay. It’s also likely to make them look a whole lot worse to your manager than the original offense did, if your manager becomes aware of what’s happening now. Out of curiosity, have there been other things making the coworker feel you’re out to get people? Like do you have a history of taking minor things over people’s heads, or of not cutting people slack on minor things or on things that your team norms are actually okay with? Alternately, does your team have an us vs. them culture where any actions that align you with management will get you perceived as an enemy? That last one is a big culture problem if it exists — and not a job I’d recommend staying in long — but it would put your coworker’s reaction in context. Speaking of an us vs. them culture: formal discipline was a pretty harsh reaction from your manager, unless your coworker was sending out hundreds of dollars worth of personal mail or unless they have a pattern of “not knowing” policies they should have known. Your manager also shouldn’t have named you as the person who told them about it; there was no need to do that, and it was pretty much guaranteed to cause tension between you and your coworker (although your coworker’s reaction isn’t okay regardless). You may also like:my coworker posts love notes from their partner all over our shared officemy whole office works from home except me -- and I'm getting stuck with everyone's admin workmy coworker keeps getting in my personal space { 580 comments }
should you call to “confirm” an interview when you don’t really have one, coworker has imaginary cats, and more by Alison Green on February 5, 2024 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. Should you call to “confirm” an interview when you don’t really have one? I’ve been seeing a trend lately of job hunters claiming an extremely effective strategy is to call companies to confirm an interview claiming you already have one scheduled with them (when you don’t). Most times, they won’t question it or don’t want to admit to someone farther up the chain they may have missed or lost an application, so they schedule the interview. I would personally never use this strategy myself as using any degree of dishonesty in the job application process makes me very uncomfortable, but I can see why it could be effective and may appeal to desperate job hunters. I’m curious what your thoughts are on this trend? Is it a good or bad idea? This is a horrible idea and won’t work at any competently-run organization. If you call to confirm an interview and they don’t see one scheduled, they’re not going to just say “oh yes, let me confirm that,” especially if that time is already booked for something else or if they haven’t even started booking interviews yet. They’re going to investigate in some way, and that’s probably going to involve looking up your application, at which point they’ll find no indication you’re supposed to be interviewing. And then they’re going to say, “It looks like there was some kind of mix-up, and we don’t have any indication we invited you to interview.” At best they’ll assume you mixed them up with some other employer, which makes you look disorganized (and they’re going to wonder if you’ll mix up important appointments if they hired you). At worst, they’ll know exactly what you’re doing — it’s not like “call to schedule an interview” hasn’t been a tactic pitched to desperate job hunters for years. I suppose this could work somewhere really chaotic (or possibly at, like, the frozen yogurt shop I worked at as a teenager), but it’s not going to get you an interview anywhere you’d want to work, and it’s highly likely to get you blackballed from the places you do. 2. My coworker has imaginary cats I work in a cat-loving office. My coworkers and I regularly share stories about our cats and talk about their various adventures, likes, dislikes, etc. No one is more affectionate and excited to talk about her cats than my coworker JJ, and she gives us daily accounts of what her two cats have been up to and what toys or treats she has picked out for them. The problem is, and I just discovered this through a mutual friend of JJ’s sister, is that her cats passed away years ago. All this time she is speaking in present tense about them. This reminds me of the move Psycho, in which Norman Bates has such an attachment to his mother that he convinces himself she is still alive and with him after her death. I am not sure if she this is just something harmless she knowingly does to allow her to join in on the conversation more easily, or if she actually sees her cats there with her each day and needs some mental health support. Should I bring this up with anyone or change how I interact with her, or just go along with it? Oh, this is so sad if it’s true! But I don’t think you should assume it is. JJ’s sister’s friend might have her information wrong, and it’s also easy to imagine a letter saying, “It was too hard for me to tell my coworkers when my cats died and so I just didn’t mention it, and now it’s been several years that I’ve let them believe they’re alive. How do I get out of this when it’s gone on so long?” As long as you’re not seeing any other signs of delusions, this isn’t something you need to act on. The kindest thing you can do is to just leave it alone and pretend you never heard it. 3. Coworker baby-talks to my pregnant belly I’m pregnant with my husband and my first baby (yay! we are so excited and this baby was very much planned and wanted!) and I’m continuing to work through my pregnancy. Most everyone in my office has been supportive, thoughtful, and not awkward, but I have someone in my office making me incredibly uncomfortable. She is an older woman with grandchildren and I am starting to show pretty obviously. When I get up from my office to go to the restroom or grab papers off of the printer, I try to hide my belly from her because she keeps making baby voices directed at my belly and telling me how things were when she was pregnant. I am pretty professional and more friendly with a few people in the office and don’t mind the “how are you feeling?” or “oh we’ve moved to maternity clothes?” which I can handle pretty well, but baby talking to my belly is aggravating. I am pregnant, but I’m still the same person I was before I told the office about my pregnancy and before I was pregnant. How can I tell them that this is making me uncomfortable? To further complicate things, this other person reports to a completely different department, so I can’t go up my chain of command either. People are so weird about pregnancy. Let’s be glad she’s not trying to stroke your belly. Try saying this: “I’m trying not to talk about the pregnancy at work since it can be so distracting, thanks for understanding.” And then if she continues after that: “Like I mentioned, I really don’t want to discuss my pregnancy at work.” And if necessary, “I know you mean well, but baby talk directed at my belly is really distracting — please don’t do that.” (Or if it’s more your style, there’s also, “I really don’t like when you do that and would appreciate if you’d stop” or “it weirds me out when you talk to my belly, please don’t.”) 4. My boss runs a side business with my coworker If my immediate supervisor has a business with one of my coworkers (she is their supervisor too), is it a conflict of interest? I am treated unfairly while this employee, Katelyn, does what she wants. Yes, it’s a huge conflict of interest. If she runs a business with your coworker, she has a separate financial interest in that relationship — which calls into question her ability to fairly and impartially manage her. For example, how willing is she going to be to have uncomfortable performance management conversations with Katelyn about Company A when there’s inherent pressure to keep their relationship harmonious for Company B? What if she needed to lay off someone on her team at Company A — is she really going to pick her business partner from Company B? What if someone brings her a complaint about Katelyn — will they be able to trust that she’ll handle it impartially when it’s about her business partner somewhere else? (Answer: almost certainly not. Even if she’s scrupulously impartial in practice, the relationship will make people worry that she’s not.) Does your employer have a conflict of interest policy? If so, this is almost certainly a violation of that. Even if they don’t, it’s still something you could bring to someone’s attention, because it’s shady as hell. 5. Can I ask to switch jobs internally after moving internally seven months ago? I work at a small company in a niche field — for privacy, let’s say I work at a regional theater. I was hired in 2018 to work on our youth theater program; last year, due to changes in the program, my role was phased out. My then-manager (Arya, the owner) offered to transfer me to another role rather than let me go entirely. I was offered my choice of two positions: I could work with Brienne, our managing director, in a support role similar to an executive assistant, or I could work with Jaime, our design director, and take a bunch of lower-level design tasks off his plate so he could focus on bigger projects. Design is a big passion of mine, and a field I’ve freelanced in for several years, so I thought working with Jaime would be a great fit. It looked like the majority of my work tasks would be things I really enjoyed and had experience in, and maybe 20% would be social media and marketing. That wasn’t something I had much experience in, but it seemed like a fairly small part of the job and something I’d enjoy well enough, so I agreed and started this role last June. Well, in the months since then, I’ve learned two things: 1) I absolutely hate social media and marketing, and 2) social media and marketing accounts for at least 80% of my role. There are many weeks I don’t work on the tasks I enjoy at all and my entire week is just dedicated to marketing. I’m miserable. I’m constantly struggling and frustrated with myself; I hate more than 80% of the tasks on my to-do list each week, so I dread going into work. On top of that, having to spend my days doing design work I hate has killed my passion for design. It used to be my go-to way to relax, but I haven’t done any personal projects in months. I’m willing to leave over this, and I think I’ll probably start job searching soon. However, the position supporting Brienne is still unfilled. Would it be possible for me to just … ask to move to that position? If I can, do you have any tips for how to frame that, and if I should speak to Jaime, Brienne, or Arya about it first? Or do I need to just accept that I agreed to work this position, so I’m stuck working it until I can find a job at a new company? I don’t think it would be possible to just ask for my current role to involve less marketing. The only other person those tasks could go to is Jaime, and his plate is now so full of high-level tasks that he doesn’t have the time to take this work back on. I haven’t talked to him about it yet because I don’t know if there’s anything he could do and I’m worried about jeopardizing my job if I talk to him about it too soon. Do you want the support job with Brienne, or does it just look better than what you’re doing now? If you don’t really want that job, it might make more sense to just job search and leave when you find something else. But if you genuinely think you’d enjoy and be good at the work for Brienne, then talk to Arya. She floated the option of that job originally, it’s still unfilled, and it’s okay to go back to her and say, “This role ended up being different than what we’d anticipated. I’m trying my best at it, but I see that the admin job hasn’t been filled and I’m wondering if that’s still an option for me, if you still think it would be a good fit.” You may also like:should you lie and say you have an NDA to get out of explaining a gap on your resume?I'm getting a bunch of calls from recent grads asking to schedule job interviewsam I supposed to confirm interviews the day before? { 428 comments }
weekend open thread – February 3-4, 2024 by Alison Green on February 2, 2024 This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. Here are the rules for the weekend posts. Book recommendation of the week: Woman, Eating, by Claire Kohda. A lonely young artist, who’s also a vampire, desperately wants to find her place among humans as she struggles to come to terms with her relationship with her mother. * I make a commission if you use that Amazon link. You may also like:all of my 2022 and 2023 book recommendationsall of my 2020 and 2021 book recommendationsall of my book recommendations from 2015-2019 { 1,196 comments }
open thread – February 2-3, 2024 by Alison Green on February 2, 2024 It’s the Friday open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers. * If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer. You may also like:I'm filling in for someone on leave who left me tons of rules for what I can and can't do while she's awayI responded angrily to a rejection -- can I get them to consider me again?here's a bunch of help finding a new job { 1,044 comments }
surly coworker resents that he’s in a junior role, parking lot gate wars, and more by Alison Green on February 2, 2024 It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go… 1. Surly coworker resents that he’s in a junior role Ted and I were in the same PhD cohort at the same university, where we both now teach. However, I am in a senior position to him, having gained significantly more experience in the interim. We’re both on fixed-term contracts, although mine is longer and better-paid. I have an administrative role and research responsibilities, whereas Ted is contracted only to teach—the most junior position available. This semester, I am convening a class. Ted has been allocated to teach a few sessions, which makes me his immediate “line manager” in this realm. Ted is some years older than me and came from a different career entirely, in which he was quite senior. His old job is relevant to what we both now teach: imagine I’m teaching Sociology of Basket Weaving, and Ted used to be a Senior Basket Weaver. He makes it obvious to everyone around him that he believes his experience makes him far too good for his current position. However, being a Senior Basket Weaver is a completely different skill set to being faculty at a college. Ted doesn’t understand this, and told me that he expected to easily walk into a senior academic job once he finished his PhD by virtue of his previous professional achievements. The issue is that Ted does not want to do any work on my class and does not hide his disdain about being junior to me. He regularly pushes back when asked to take on work, despite his whole job being to teach classes and mark assignments. When I delivered an introductory lecture for the class and asked him to briefly introduce himself to the students he’d be teaching, he stood up, gave a surly “Yeah, hi,” and sat down again. I believe the catalyst for this negativity was last month, when I declined to put several of his previously published articles on the reading list for my class. They weren’t relevant, were published in a professional journal (for his old career), not an academic one, and were poor quality. I told him that the reading list didn’t need changing and that I’d be leaving it as is. He began to protest, then just stared at me silently, fuming. After he left, I heard doors slamming upstairs. Even as a fairly burly man myself, I was rattled. I have tried to reduce Ted’s workload, because I am acutely aware of the hellscape that is early-career university teaching – I’ve done his job myself! I’ve given him pre-written lectures and slides. I’ve also taken over some of the teaching responsibilities that were allocated to him by departmental management. My managers know about Ted’s attitude, but aren’t aware of the issues I’m having with him. I have a good relationship with them and I know they would back me up (one commented that Ted is not adjusting well to his new lack of seniority and that I am the “boss” so I shouldn’t broach any BS and should go to them with any problems) but I don’t want to go above his head. However, dealing with this kind of attitude problem is quite literally above my pay grade and I am increasingly uncomfortable around Ted. I also hate confrontation. Should I just meet him and ask directly what’s going on? You need to talk to your managers. I know you said you don’t want to go over Ted’s head, but I guarantee you that they’d want to know what’s happening; in fact, they’ve already told you that, and by keeping them in the dark (and also by doing work they’ve assigned to Ted) you’re pretty directly undermining their ability to manage your department, even though that’s not your intent. Think of this way: If you had any other serious work problem that was significantly interfering with your ability to do your job and causing you to do work that your boss believed was being handled by someone else, and you lacked the authority to solve it on your own, wouldn’t you loop in your boss? And if you didn’t, wouldn’t your boss rightly be annoyed if they found out about it later? And Ted doesn’t deserve this kind of protection from you! This is a person who’s openly surly to you and the students he’s teaching and slams doors after meeting with you (!). If he’s like this with you, what is he like with students? Or with others who might not have the same invitation from your boss to report it? Tell your bosses what’s going on. You and they might conclude from that conversation that the next right step is for you to speak directly with Ted about the problems you’re seeing, but you need them aware of the situation first because Ted’s track record says there’s a good chance he’ll take it badly. 2. Parking lot gate wars I work as the receptionist/admin at a children’s center that is on-site with a school. We share a parking lot and since it is so small, our employees can only use three spaces. We are unable to offer on-site parking to our visitors due to this. I have had an ongoing problem with visitors using the parking lot when none of them are supposed to. This is despite including a reminder in room booking confirmations and saying on the gate intercom that the parking lot belongs to the school, not us. The problem is when school staff and their visitors don’t shut the gate behind them, so our visitors sneak in. It grinds my gears that if the school took responsibility to shut the gate, we wouldn’t have the problem. The school receptionist regularly comes to scold me about it. (At best I have a very limited view of the gate. The school has a much better view.) The easiest resolution would be to fix the gate, but it is a five-figure sum per repair and keeps breaking as the gate is too heavy for the mechanism. My boss, who has my back on this, has had conversations with the school’s head teacher and receptionist, but they still don’t understand. It is no exaggeration to say that this situation is one of the reasons I am job searching. Is there anything I can do to make the school understand better? Ideally the head of your organization would be dealing with the school about this and working out some sort of solution — even if it’s just “this is going to continue, but the school receptionist will stop scolding you about it since you have no control over it.” Short of that, can you get your boss’s blessing to at least tell the receptionist you’re not the right person to address it with and she should speak to your boss instead? (That said, what exactly does “scolding” mean here? If she’s just asking you to have visitors move their cars, that’s not unreasonable. If she’s chastising or berating you, that’s not okay.) Meanwhile, although you have pretty limited power here, can you think about what pieces are within your control? For example, can you have signs at the gate and at each individual parking space making it clear the spaces are reserved for employees only and visitors’ cars will be towed? Can a sign at your entrance warn visitors their cars will be towed if they park in the lot? As you check people in, can you ask if they parked in the lot and, if they did, tell them they need to move their car ASAP? It’s a frustrating situation, but if you focus on the areas where you do have some influence, it could help. Read an update to this letter. 3. My team uses the wrong pronouns for a new client I work on a small team in a professional services industry. We recently got a new project with a new client. I noticed one person on the client’s team had their pronouns listed as they/them in their email signature. Later, at the beginning of the first meeting, they verbally stated their pronouns to the group. After the meeting, I had lunch with my team and my boss and coworker kept using the wrong pronouns for the client contact. Since then, they have continued to use the wrong pronouns in our group chat. Should I say something? How can I bring it up in a professional manner (especially to my boss!). I don’t think they are doing this maliciously, but I do think that the client was clear about their preferences and we need to respect that. Yes, you should say something — in any situation where this is happening but especially since this is a client, who your company is probably particularly invested in not wanting to alienate or offend. (Obviously they shouldn’t want to alienate or offend anyone, but even if they’re cavalier about pronouns in general, the fact that this is a client may make them less so.) Be matter-of-fact about it and use a tone that conveys “of course we want to get this right.” You could simply say: “I noticed people referring to Imogen as she/her — they said a few times that they use they/them, so we should be careful to get that right.” 4. I accidentally recorded and sent a transcript of an interview to an interviewer I work as a freelance designer for a few agencies that only need part-time help here and there. For one client, I was sent a transcript of our call via an AI recording app. In order to read the transcript, I had to make an account. What I didn’t realize is that by making an account through my Google email, I automatically attached this AI app to any Google Meet calls I would subsequently be on. I don’t use Google Meet very much, so I didn’t realize this happened until just now, when I was on a call with a potential new client. It didn’t bother me that it was recording the meeting, and I saw it as an easy way to access info later. However, when I went to check it I noticed it had also sent a transcript of the call to the interviewer, who is likely very confused as to why I did that. Should I acknowledge it in a follow up email, apologizing for the small mistake? Should I pretend that I meant to do that and not bring it up? I feel like doing the former would make me look bad but the latter would make me look strange. Please let me know if I’m overthinking this or if I should do some damage control. If something potentially looks strange, I err on the side of explaining even if there’s a risk that the explanation itself will be awkward — because I figure that not saying something and looking like I deliberately did Weird Thing X (in this case, recorded a call without their knowledge and then sent them a transcript of it) risks looking stranger than just explaining it. So yes, say something! “If you’re confused by receiving that transcript, so was I! I recently made an account with a new app and apparently it transcribes my Google Meet calls. I’ve turned it off and deleted the transcript, but wanted to explain why you received that. It won’t be on in the future!” You may also like:can I opt out of AI assistants in meetings, potlucks with food-restricted coworkers, and morehow to tell an employee he needs to figure some things out himselfdo I have to drive my employee’s employee, AI attending meetings, and more { 472 comments }
the postage stamps, the airport page, and other deranged responses to resignations by Alison Green on February 1, 2024 Last week I asked about deranged things your employer did when you resigned. Here are some of my favorite stories you shared. 1. The postage stamps An attorney I worked for had custom postage stamps made with HER FACE on them specifically for mailing folks their last paycheck after they were fired or (usually) quit. There was a lot of turnover there. 2. The document After I gave my two weeks notice, I recommended that we have a meeting with the CEO, Operations Manager, and the person assuming my responsibilities (which was everything IT for this small 40+ staffed org – sysadmin, website development, hardware and software support, etc.). During the meeting, the CEO screamed at me to move my chair out of their way as they were trying to squeeze past me to literally print out my cloud document of instructions (which had probably 50 or more hyperlinks to other documents). Everyone else in the meeting had their laptops open. I tried to explain printing it out would be useless. I even tried to loan them my laptop in the meeting so they could follow along. Nope, they wanted to print it out. That was the last time I would be screamed at for such nonsense after five years. I quietly left the meeting, went back to my desk, adjusted my resignation letter from two weeks to one week, and handed it off. I indicated that I would keep shortening the time for every screaming incident. Worked like a charm, and left after one week. I now have my own successful freelance IT business. 3. The freeze I worked for a nonprofit that had terrible senior management and insane turnover. When I started, there were 60 employees and when I left, there were 25. After employees announced their resignation or if they were laid off, senior management would completely ice them out. Cancel all their meetings, take them off email chains. They’d even tell other employees not to talk to them. I have to say, it was my best notice period ever. Up to that point, I was expected to be on call 24/7 in case the CEO had an “emergency” (like didn’t like that I only included the mission statement once in a document). So, being cut off was heaven. I got my transition document done and told my coworkers, then just spent the rest of my time scrolling TikTok and preparing for my new job. 4. The advice When I resigned from a job a few years back, my manager launched into the usual “follow your dreams” speech. Strangely, the speech devolved into how she’d wanted to get breast enhancement surgery in her early twenties and that she should have followed her dreams and that she might just do that now. The speech was complete with hand gestures of approximate size and lift. I just sat there, smiling, for over an hour. I can only imagine what my colleagues were thinking when they walked past her office. I hope she followed her dreams. She really was a lovely person. 5. The refusal My boss’s reaction was to tell me that my notice period was way too short and that I was burning bridges. I gave her four weeks notice, the standard in the industry and at the organization was two unless otherwise stated in the job contract (it wasn’t). She told me that I should have told her I was interviewing elsewhere. Then she told me that she would absolutely not release me and that she would escalate this to the Vice President if she had to. What made it even better was that she was making me interview and compete for my current position that I had built from scratch with minimal support. 6. The insult When I left for a wayyy more prestigious company and twice the salary, the HR person and my manager took me out for lunch. They spent the entire meal explaining that I really wasn’t that interesting of a person and that I would miserably fail with the high expectations of the new job, since it “required someone with social skills.” Then the HR lady paid for herself and my boss, leaving me to foot my own bill. (I’ve been at said new job for five years now. I can tell you that my first years were an absolute dream and that I exceeded expectations at every yearly review. Turns out the “absence of social skills” was mostly due to the fact that I just didn’t really like my old team. Sorry, old team.) 7. The well wishes I resigned and went through long, protracted convos with my boss, grandboss, and great grandboss to get me to stay. I was burned out and great grandboss in particular kept misstating the problems and offering bad solutions. When I finally got on Zoom with all three of them to say thank you but no, grandboss was super gracious and said I was always welcome back if anything changed. Great grandboss waited a beat and then said, “I hope you hate New Employer.” 8. The chaos goblin I had a job where I gave six weeks notice once. Was asked to documented all I did. So I did, it took two days. Went looking for the folks to hand it off to and train, asked boss how the handover was going to be. Silence. Gave hard copy to my boss along with link to file on work drive. Silence. The only team that actually processed that I was leaving was accounting and HR. I worked 100% until last my last day, 10-14 hours, five days a week, plus on call after hours and weekends. On my last day, I packed the last of my stuff (I had moved most of my personal things the day I gave notice). I went around saying my goodbyes, giving out my private cell and email address to friends. Turned in all equipment assigned to me and had it accounted for. Went to my boss’s office to give him a list of things in flight that may become a problem if not addressed soon. Said goodbye and how it was a pleasure to work for them, I learned a lot, and I wished them the best. (It is what you say in real life so that you don’t burn bridges.) I handed in my keycard and badge to security and almost made it to my car before someone came running up to me asking me to come back. I thought I had forgotten something. My boss was shocked that I was actually leaving. I reminded him that I had given notice six weeks ago, written out documentation of all my actual duties, contacts, calendar, schedules so that they could write up a job description and had waited to train someone or offload duties to someone who was staying. He said “I thought you only wanted a raise, not that you would actually quit!” I asked, do I get a raise? He said no. I said goodbye and how it was a pleasure to work for them, I learned a lot, and I wished them the best. (It is what you say in real life so that you don’t burn bridges.) He asked me to stay for a meeting where we would go over the documentation I gave him five weeks ago. I had already done a 10-hour day (salary), said goodbye to all my contacts, etc. I did the meeting with his boss, a VIP, an owner and managers of other teams to go over splitting up my job. They decided to schedule a meeting on the following Monday to go over things and start cross training. I reminded them that I no longer worked there. “But we needed you to do this! We aren’t ready! It’s a bad time to quit!” Blah, blah, blah. I told them that I was no longer in the HR system and unless there was a contract of some type, I would not be working for free. There was no offer to pay me something. I said goodbye and how it was a pleasure to work for them, I learned a lot, and I wished them the best. (It is what you say in real life so that you don’t burn bridges.) My daughter and I then left. Oh, I forgot to say, It was Take Your Daughter to Work Day. They split my job between six people. Those six friends were pressured by my old boss to call me daily for help. They hadn’t been given my docs. I told some that if they took me out to lunch, I would go over something with them. I contacted boss with a offer to consult, with a price in line with what consultants in my industry were charging per hour. He declined. I stopped helping at all. A friend told me that they had to hire three people to replace me. I probably would have stayed for 25% more pay and a one week guaranteed PTO increase. I didn’t have a job lined up but I was burned out and willing to live on savings for a bit to give myself time to figure things out. Next job I got paid 30% more. I make just shy of three times that now. Plus my daughter knows the proper way to leave a job. 9. The parking sign I was good friends with a coworker who was an executive assistant but had been going to nursing school – everyone knew, it wasn’t a surprise. When she graduated, found work as a nurse and gave notice, the boss was so incensed he strode out to the parking lot in his khakis and began trying to uproot her reserved parking sign. I guess he had considered it a real honor for her to have it (most of us didn’t because honestly, parking was not too hard to come by there). It’s an indelible image that we still talk about, him trying to dig up that sign. I also gave notice a few months later (to work at the same place as my nurse friend, in fact) but he did not tear anything apart, which I take as an insult! 10. The hookers and thieves I worked for a nonprofit theater company and in the course of a few months everyone in my department save me and the director was either let go or quit. Our director was under pressure from the head of the company and spent a lot of time in her office with the lights off. I gave my notice after receiving and offer with another organization, and she snapped when I told her—laughing hysterically, rocking back and forth, spouting all kinds of nonsense. She told me that everyone at the new organization were “hookers and thieves” and that they would lure me into an alley to attack me with baseball bats. She completely ignored me from then on out, going so far as to walk into group settings and make a big show of NOT talking to me. On my last day she asked me to lunch as if nothing had happened and told me she’d been planning on taking me with her to her next gig. Dodged a bullet there! 11. The memo The year was 1988. I worked for a publisher of computer hobbyist magazines. It was a tiny family business and the boss was kind of a jerk, compounded by rage issues. When I gave my two weeks notice, he demanded an explanation. My official reasons for changing jobs were more money, convenient location on campus where I lived, and good resume experience. My unofficial reason was that it was a sexist environment, I had had to prompt them to raise my pay by 25 cents as they had promised, and the boss was generally a jerk, treating us like a bunch of goldbrickers when we were college students doing professional work producing a high quality magazine for $4.25 an hour. And he was a sexist pig. And he often threw temper tantrums. But I wanted to leave on good terms, so I didn’t say that stuff. Until. The day after I gave notice, there was a memo on everyone’s desk about how disappointing and untrustworthy and ungrateful we were. That really made me mad. So I went home and composed a memo of my own and gave it to him the next day. The vein in his forehead began to visibly throb. He called all of us into the conference room and proceeded to read my memo to everyone. Occasionally he would pause in disbelief (for dramatic effect) at what I had written. When he was done, he said, “None of this is true.” And I replied, “If that’s so, why do you never make those remarks when your wife is around?” That did it. He threw me out. Several of my coworkers got jobs on campus after that too. I don’t know how he continued to produce the magazines, but changes in the home computer market would render them obsolete in a few years anyway. Details on the memo are here. 12. The lengthy break I guess I didn’t technically resign, but a job that had promised me full-time hours starting in the summer just took me off the schedule for an entire month. With no guarantee that they’d even put me back on, let alone give me the full time I’d quit my other job for. So naturally I started job hunting and took a new job. SIX MONTHS later, I had to swing by the old job to pick up some paperwork and the front desk said, “Oh, we’ve been meaning to call you. Can you come in Thursday?” They seemed legitimately surprised that I wasn’t sitting around for half a year waiting for them to call. 13. The freeze, part 2 This was my first job out of college. I resigned my extremely entry-level job with two weeks notice. I explained I was leaving for graduate school and had enjoyed my two years with the organization. My manager looked at me and said, “I can’t believe you’re doing this to me, I can’t even talk to you anymore.” She walked out and for the rest of the two weeks gave me full silent treatment and only communicated with me by email and post-it note. What made this even more awkward? We were a small nonprofit and shared offices (really small rooms like a bedroom) and so for two weeks my manager refused to speak with me and sent emails for every single request/put post-it notes on my desk, all while sitting right next to me but still talking to the other colleague that shared our space. It was a painful, but quiet two weeks! 14. The moral choice Just out of college, I started and then quickly bailed on one of my first office jobs for multiple good reasons. When the owner received my notice, she not only told me not to bother coming back for the notice period, but informed me that she would expect me to return all the money she had previously paid me for work already done and that I should send a check within 90 days. She used this phrase, I have never forgotten it: “It is the correct moral and responsible choice on your part to restore our investment to us, for the good of your future career.” I later heard through my small-town grapevine that I was not the first or only office employee she’d ever tried this with, especially trying it with other young and inexperienced workers. Me, I just kept the money and counted myself lucky to be gone. 15. The insistence I worked as the office manager for a small company for about a year and a half. (A year and a half too long! But we won’t get into that!) My boss was the owner, and when I gave him my resignation, he was furious. He yelled, “How could you do this to me?” The next day, as sweet as he could be, offered me $20k to stay, shortened hours, and extra PTO. I politely declined but he became furious again and told me, “I insist you stay!” It took everything I had to stay for my two week notice. 16. The advice, part 2 When I was 23, I was an office administrator for an accounting firm where I was underpaid and just treated terribly. When I finally decided to quit after two years, I walked into my boss’s office, to tell him I was resigning and that my last day would be in four weeks. He said he was sorry to see me leave, and said: “Can I give you some advice? Freeze your eggs. You never know, you may have trouble conceiving when you decide to have kids.” He spent another five minutes talking about why I should freeze my eggs, before I walked out. 17. The counseling referral I told my manager that I wouldn’t be continuing in the role once my contract expired (academic postdoc role, he was trying to get funding to extend the contract). He’d already derailed my internal redeployment attempts by causing people enough hassle that they decided to pull a role that would have been great for me instead of hiring me for it. This was after he’d casually gone, “So if they offer you that role, you’re turning it down, right?” He was not delighted with my response on that one. I’d anticipated trouble because he was brilliant but also awful at interacting with people in general, and had already had a chat with HR complete with paper trail of his bad behavior and let them know I wanted out. I emailed over a resignation and then when he said he wanted a face to face meeting, I told HR about the meeting and then went in prepped with a strong message of “this is happening so how do we want to handle the hand-over?” Instead he spent the meeting trying to persuade me to stay and ignoring what I was saying until I just left the meeting in tears because he wouldn’t listen. The next day, HR got in touch to say that he’d contacted them to ask them to send me to the university counseling service because I was “making rash decisions.” Thankfully they’d already realized he was not a rational human being about this and let me handle it how I liked, and gave me a HR contact I could use as a reference for job hunting. I’m now in a role where I’m much happier and can use it as an exciting anecdote. 18. The obliviousness I once reported in to a CFO whose disrespect and abuse escalated to screaming “NO” and “GO AWAY” when I would come to his office to request tasks that only he could perform, like international wires of bills that urgently needed paying (and I had to go to his office to follow up because he would just ignore my emails). Like, he would scream “GO AWAY” at me before I could even say “hello” or ask my request. I was so relieved when I got another job and gave my notice to HR. When HR informed him I had quit, he marched into the group accounting office, and screamed at me, demanding to know why I hadn’t simply come to talk to him if I was so unhappy. 19. The airport page In the days before cell phones, I had a terrible boss. She was suuuuper sweet, but she always found an “innocent” way to get people to do work on nights and weekends. She’d either manufacture an emergency or pretend to lose important papers so you’d have to come in only to find out from other people she had what she needed all along. She once made me come in at 9 pm on a Tuesday to redo her schedule to reflect all her rebookings for a work trip only to learn the next day that she had decided the previous week she wasn’t going at all. Boss only acted like that to unpaid interns, which I was. When I gave notice, my workload increased and increased to the point I couldn’t pack up my apartment because my boss kept calling me with “just one more question” and “we really need you so can you come in just one last time?” The day I left town, she told me I had to come in and work a half day before my flight or else she “didn’t know” if she could write me a letter of recommendation. So I did because I thought I didn’t have a choice. As I packed up my apartment and did a last minute check, my boss continued to call me and leave messages on the answering machine. (My internship gave us furnished apartments so that’s why it stayed plugged in.) I never responded. A couple of years later, I found out from an ex-coworker that my boss was asking her staff to call DC’s National Airport to have me paged so I could answer more work questions before I boarded. Apparently, you can’t use the paging system for that. 20. The loon When I left OldJob, one of my six (six!!!) bosses called me repeatedly – from her cell phone to my cell phone, so I could clearly see it was her – and hung up. She forbade everyone from getting me a cake for my last day. She ignored me for two weeks, then scheduled one hour on my last day for me to “teach her my job,” and showed up 20 minutes late… The icing on the cake is that it’s a very small town, and her daughter and mine have been friends since kindergarten. Her last order of business when I walked out the door was to tell me “it’s not personal” and then uninvite my daughter from her daughter’s birthday party the next day. You may also like:everything you need to know about how to quit your jobmy boss is telling people I quit because of COVID, but I quit because of herI gave two weeks notice but got told to leave immediately { 213 comments }
updates: lying about a Glassdoor review, the time-off request, and more by Alison Green on February 1, 2024 Here are four updates from past letter-writers. 1. The ethics of lying about a Glassdoor review (#4 at the link) I wrote to you in September about the ethics of lying if I was asked if I wrote a not-great review of my employer on Glassdoor; I have a minor update. I was never asked if I wrote that review or not (I know my company saw it because HR did post a generic “That’s not our expectations, please contact us” response) so I never ended up having to lie. The large part of my review was about my terrible experience with our health insurance. During our open enrollment season I had conflicts with the company-wide open enrollment information sessions so I never attended any, which was probably for the best (the health insurance options were unchanged). However … in my review I did drag the CEO specifically about how he likes to constantly mention CrossFit in his company-wide weekly emails. Since my review was posted, there has been no mention of CrossFit in any of those emails; I’m going take that as a win. 2. Why shouldn’t you say where you’re going when you resign? (#4 at the link) I took Alison’s advice in the context of leaving my most recent job, and I was pretty open with my previous employer as to where I was going. They were sad about it but everyone in my division was also excited and happy for me. I learned two things from this experience: 1. Telling people was a good move for me, since my previous work and current work interact. Think that company A makes pots, and company B sells pots. Telling people where I was going set me up for warm relations with my former coworkers, since I am still interacting with them regularly, just from the other side. 2. I discovered that my previous grandboss had at least one connection to my new job, although he of course did not do anything to stop me moving. However, If I had been in a toxic environment, I would have to agree with the comments who said not to tell, since you never know who may sink you. Frankly, I was surprised that he knew anyone at my new company, since they are fairly small. Just goes to show you never know who has connections with who. Thanks for your advice. 3. Can’t get an answer to a time-off request from new job (#3 at the link) We found your advice to be helpful! I will say that after reading the comments, I realized that in trying to simplify my question, I didn’t explain our situation well and people really got hung up on the amount of time off that my partner was requesting off, when my question was meant to be about the expectations for asking for time off at a new job, regardless of the amount of time. It seemed odd that the company was dragging their feet so much to give an answer. People accept new jobs all the time with trips booked, so I figured it would be a relatable situation. It was my bad for not providing enough info or maybe too much, ha! It’s a long and twisted tale: basically we were in the process of moving from our home in Alaska to a job on the other side of the country and had family planning to visit us in June in Alaska (with their flights already booked), so had asked for a few large chunks of time off to host family and tie up loose ends. The company knew that they were asking my partner to start sooner than was realistic for us, but we were trying to make it work. Thus, it was frustrating when they were slow to say “yay” or “nay” to specific dates and made us wonder if there wasn’t a culture of respecting vacation time or personal lives. We did end up being able to go in June to host our visitors and then again this fall to tie up the rest of the loose ends, so it worked out fine. Though the company continues to be a bit odd about time off, with no real process for requesting leave, my partner is enjoying his job. Overall, we’re very happy that we did follow through with the job and move because our new location has a wealth of opportunities, and I was even able to switch into a new position myself that is much more fulfilling than what I was doing before. Regardless of whether my partner stays at this company or not, it was what we needed to make the change in our lives. Thanks again for the advice! 4. Coworker says she hates me and refuses to have any contact … and my boss told me to fix it Jane quit over the summer. Before she left, I did talk with her (after months of avoidance). In my final conversation with her, she did share some information with me to help understand her experience. Jane had some key collaborators who refused to work with her from the beginning, refused meetings, and refused to share information. I’m unclear if this was due to Jane’s approach, or other prioritization going on. This led to at least one of Jane’s outbursts, which further separated her from clients and made her job near impossible to complete. If I had known the root cause, and having an established relationship with the other clients, I would have gladly stepped in, but Jane was too prideful to ask for advice or help. I think she was relieved to leave; once she announced her resignation, it was a 180 in personality, she was smiling, being funny, and interactive with the rest of the team. As for me and my team, we were relieved from the stress that Jane caused. At one point, I did suggest pulling in a neutral third party to assist with facilitating cordial conversation, and my manager refused to engage anyone to step in to help clear the air. Since Jane had also accused me of wrong-doings (which were untrue), my manager was afraid she’d have to terminate both of us for violating the code of conduct. In general, my manager is notorious for not dealing with personnel issues. My grandboss is an absolute tyrant, which is also likely why my manager wanted to sweep this under the rug and was so willing to overlook Jane’s behaviors. Jane’s replacement uncovered additional behavioral issues that occurred with clients, and we did learn of other complaints that were made about her. I have vowed that as long as I stay with this company, I am limiting the information that I share with my manager, including bananapants encounters. You may also like:I wrote a Glassdoor review and the employer is losing their mindsmy old employer is trying to intimidate me into removing a Glassdoor reviewinterview with a person who responds to Glassdoor reviews for her company { 37 comments }