asking new employer to send me to an awards banquet, should I let a mediocre employee work remotely, and more by Alison Green on May 17, 2016 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. My professor wants me to ask my new employer to send me to an awards banquet With the help of a professor who mentored me in college, I just got my dream job! When I told her I got the job, she strongly suggested I ask my future boss about attending an annual awards banquet for people in our field. My problem here is twofold: first off, I’m not sure I’m comfortable making this request. My professor (who is very involved with the nonprofit I’ll be working for) has told me the organization usually buys a table and brings their senior staff only. For one thing, I’m not coming into a senior position by any stretch of the imagination, and for another, my actual start date isn’t until the day after this event takes place. I was volunteering with this organization before being hired, so I don’t have to worry about first impressions, but I still don’t want my first actions as an employee to be asking for special treatment and money to be spent on me. Is this just my social anxiety talking or do I have good reason to feel weird? If I were to ask, how could I do so without seeming entitled? And if I don’t ask, how can I explain my decision to my mentor without insulting her judgement? Regardless, one way or another she’s determined to get me there: she’s even offered to buy me a ticket as a “congratulations on the job” gift if my new employer isn’t willing or able, though it will probably be at a different table. That social anxiety I mentioned is far from thrilled by this prospect. I’ve never been to anything like this before and I have no idea what to expect. It’s a $60 per plate fundraiser and I’m a recent college grad. Do you have any tips for how to handle it, in general and if I’m seated with either my superiors or strangers? Your instincts are right: Don’t ask your new employer to buy you a ticket. If they only bring senior people, it’s going to come across as tone-deaf. Even if that weren’t the case, it’s just an odd thing to ask to attend before you’re even working there (it could be different if it were a workshop or helpful conference in your field, although I probably wouldn’t even ask about those if you’re entry-level). I’d just tell her that you appreciate the encouragement, but you’re going to wait until you start working there and can scope out the culture before asking to attend things like this. If she tells you not to worry, just thank her for the advice and stick to your plan. It would be fine to let her buy you a ticket if you want to go, but it would also be fine to thank her and decline. If you’re willing to go and talk to people, though, it could end up being interesting and useful to you professionally — but I don’t think it’s the end of the world if you choose not to, and if you know that realistically you’re unlikely to make conversation with strangers, I’d sit it out without any guilt. 2. Should I let a mediocre employee work remotely? I manage an employee who wants to move soon and has asked if he can become a remote worker. We’re a company that is primarily in-office, but we do have some employees in his position who are remote. He has previously not been the best performer, but in the last six months or so has really improved. I am inclined to let him stay on, as I think replacing his knowledge of our teapots would take a while and he is an acceptable, if not standout performer. My boss wants to let him go, as my boss I think hasn’t seen the improvements made recently. I’ve tried to make the case for his improvements to my boss, but I don’t seem to have made an impact. Do I continue to push my point of view? Or, do I accept my boss’ point of view, and who should tell the employee? If I tell him, do I tell him that this wasn’t my choice? I’m with your boss. Why go out of your way to keep an someone who’s at best “acceptable,” when you have such a natural opening to part ways on good terms? Let him leave and fill that spot with someone who’s better. Plus, if you’re going to let someone work remotely, you really need to be able to trust them to consistently work at a high level. It’s also more work to manage someone remotely, especially if they’re not a high performer, and it doesn’t make sense to take that on unless the person is really worth it. You should be the one to tell the employee your decision because you’re his manager, and you should own it, not say that you disagreed, since you’d be undermining your own boss by doing that. 3. Leaving a job after three months I recently started a new job at a new company, which I really like a lot. I even have a supportive manager. However, I recently have been invited to enroll in an amazing post-graduate opportunity which sounds amazing. I had no idea that a program as good as this could have existed, and it will definitely help in my career long-term. I’d have to be a full-time student and it would last just over one year. And at this point in my life, I don’t think I’ll ever have another opportunity to have the luxury of taking a year out of the workforce to pursue something like this. The “problem” is that I work for a major financial services firm that I’d like to rejoin at some point. If I leave after about 3 months on the job, even crossing all my t ‘s and dotting all my i’s, will I still be guilty of the proverbial “bridge burning?” If I’ve been getting good feedback so far, but leave after this short period of time, does that mean that I’ll be blacklisted from ever rejoining the company in the future? Yeah, leaving after three months is pretty likely to burn the bridge. It’s not an absolute certainty, but at this point they’ve invested more in you than they’ve gotten back (as far as training, etc.) and they’re unlikely to welcome you back with open arms in the future. Basically, you committed to them to stay in the job for a reasonable amount of time (you’re understood to be agreeing to that when you take a job) and not leave after a few months because something else sounds better, so they’d be understandably annoyed and wary that you’d do that again. That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t do the post-grad thing. You should do what’s best for you — but assume that this will indeed close this firm to you in the future. 4. Should I disclose bad faith business practices to a client? I currently work with an account team for a multi-million dollar client who has a verbal agreement with my employer(field is risk assessment) that none of their work will be sent offshore. This verbal agreement was put into place when a venture capital company bought out my previous employer and started closing U.S. offices and sending work to India. Three years later, management is quietly training workers in India to take over work for this client. They are supposedly “working” on coming up with a way to divulge this to the client. Based on my poor experience with management in this company, I am certain they are planning to lay off the U.S. teams and then tell the client about the offshoring once it’s too late and the only people trained to do the work are in India. Needless to say, I’m looking for other employment, not only because I feel this company is unethical but also because even if they keep me on I know these short-term money saving decisions will result in the client firing our company, as they’ve come close to doing so in the past for much less. On my way out the door, is it completely unethical to shoot my contact with the client an email letting her know what is going on? I don’t plan on staying in this industry and would be required to sign a non-compete so this isn’t a case where this could affect my future employment in this field. I’m also not interested in “getting revenge” on my company for offshoring–I honestly just feel that what they are doing is severely unethical even if the agreement was verbal and not in writing, and furthermore, I know management’s confidence in the workers in India to do the work correctly is misplaced; all they care about is saving money in Q 3-4. They’re not capable of doing the work and supervisors saying as much are being ignored by management and assigned to do training anyway. Am I way off-base even considering “tattling” to the client? I’ve worked closely with this client for many years and I feel much more loyalty towards them than I do towards my own company, which is why I’m reaching out to you. My judgment may be clouded here; perhaps I am contemplating something unthinkable. I don’t think it’s unethical. I mean, obviously your company wouldn’t want you to do it, but that’s not the standard for ethics. I suppose someone could argue that you have a duty of loyalty to your company, but I’d argue that you do not have a duty to turn a blind eye on bad faith practices. However, I wouldn’t put it in an email — no need to create a paper trail that could hurt you with your current employer. Call her instead. 5. Have I lost my follow-up chances? I had a question regarding following up and I am getting mixed advice from everyone, so I decided to ask you to be the tie-breaker. I had an interview on Monday and they hit me with “You should be hearing from us by the end of the week to set up a second interview.” I shamefully forgot to ask for a business card or contact email, so all I have is one of the interviewer’s numbers. So here are the reactions: Me: I want to follow up, but if I call I will seem stalkerish. If I mail a card, their mail room is so busy they may not get it until next week. Friend: Welp! I’ve been told that before and they never called. Wait until Monday to call so you don’t look desperate. Boyfriend: If they don’t call you by Wednesday, then move on. No need to follow up. Mom: Call them Wednesday. (Then she proceeds to send me multiple articles about the need to follow up.) I don’t know what to do because I know how annoyed I am when I get a bothersome call while at work. The interviewer was not from HR; she is the direct supervisor of the department so I am sure she is very busy! I was thinking of leaving a voice mail before she made it to work so as to not interrupt her. But she arrives at 7 a.m. so calling at 6:30 a.m. seems a little weird too. So what do you think? Are phone calls okay? Have I lost my “follow up” chances? Don’t call to follow up at this point, and definitely don’t do it at 6:30 a.m. If you look around their website and find any email address for someone at the company, you may be able to figure out your interviewers’ email addresses by following the same general format (for example, first.last@company.com, or FirstInitialLastName@company.com or whatever). If that doesn’t work, then once it’s been a week past the point they said they’d contact you, at that point I suppose you can call to say that you were hoping for an update on their timeline, and apologize for calling but you realized you didn’t have email contacts for any of them. (I’m saying “I suppose” because it pains me to direct you to call instead of emailing, but in a case where you truly don’t email and it’s past the time they said they’d be in touch, it’s not a terrible crime.) I might call around 6 p.m. when she’ll probably be gone for the day (given her early arrival time) and just leave a voicemail. Alternately, you could scratch all of the above and just call their main number and say, “I interviewed with Valentina Mulberry recently for the X position and wanted to email her about next steps but realized I don’t have her email address. Could you give it to me so I don’t need to bother her with a phone call?” You may also like:I'm caught in the crossfire of my coworkers' petty complaints about our companyare my mentors taking advantage of me?how much does your job in college matter? { 175 comments }
did I mess up the negotiations for my new job? by Alison Green on May 16, 2016 A reader writes: I read up on negotiations extensively both on your site and others before I received an offer this past week, and I’ve now accepted the position and am waiting to clear a background check before I give my notice and nail down my start date. I’m proud of myself for approaching the negotiations with confidence and a real plan, but I feel somewhat uneasy about some of the conversations I had with HR, and I wonder if I was clumsy in my negotiations. Or maybe feeling this way is par for the course since I can sometimes be a pushover and this was the first time I was truly invested in negotiating for something I really wanted. (I have asked for more money in the past, and it’s never been a deal-breaker, let alone a high dollar amount.) The whole thing is making me wonder if my new boss is harboring ill will toward me, which has me feeling a little anxious and paranoid. In the initial phone screen, the HR rep asked my target salary and I dodged the question by asking what the position in question paid. I was surprised when he answered, “For this role, we have in mind roughly $105k [a number representing a significant increase for me].” I told him it was in my target range and would be fine. In hindsight, I’m pleased I avoided disclosing my current salary first, yet I’m disappointed I didn’t delay the conversation entirely. It really felt, though, as if I had no shot at an interview if I didn’t discuss it. [Note from Alison: There’s nothing wrong with having this conversation up-front; it can save both sides time if you’re too far apart, and it’s very reasonable for them to want to find that out before investing further time.] He told me he was happy to be on the same page, because there’s no use in getting through the process, only to find out the money is a deal-breaker.[Note from Alison: Exactly!] I went through three rounds of interviews over the course of more than three months and eventually received an offer (from the hiring manager) for $95k. By that point, I had decided the job would be an amazing opportunity, but the relatively long commute was an issue. (I have two young sons and my work day is bookended by daycare pick-ups and drop-offs. In order for my husband to help at all, the daycare is near our home, not the new office, which is in the opposite direction from our home than his office.) The company is a big proponent of telecommuting and several of the business partners for the role work from home in other states, so I decided I would only take the job if I could work from home for two days a week. I realized this was a gamble, but I was (am) gainfully employed and decided I would be comfortable passing if it were a deal-breaker for them. When I called back to negotiate after sleeping on the offer, I told the HR rep I expected to receive the compensation we discussed initially, and he didn’t seem to blink. I went on to say I had discussed everything with my husband and we’d decided the new position would work for our family only if I could work from home for two or three days a week. I tried asking for more than necessary in hopes of landing on the middle ground I considered necessary. He sounded flustered and very annoyed when he answered, telling me he couldn’t believe I hadn’t mentioned this earlier. I told him I didn’t think it was unusual to wait until receiving an offer to negotiate and he said, “Let me tell you: don’t do that.” It’s my nature to apologize when someone is upset with me, and I was so proud for not doing so. I held my ground as he continued expressing shock, and when he asked if he understood correctly it would be a deal-breaker for me, I told him yes. Maybe that was a mistake? I realize you can’t demand things when negotiating, but how soft are you supposed to be? The next day, he came back with $5k more in salary and told me it was the best the company could do. It’s odd to me that he even mentioned $105k since they chose not to deliver it, but what they’ve agreed to is a reasonable number and at the point, it wasn’t the money I cared about, so I said that was fine. He went on to say they couldn’t agree to three days of working from home and mentioned again how I caught him and the hiring manager off guard by asking for that at all. Then he said they gave it a lot of thought and would give me one day to start and would promise to reevaluate the possibility of a second after six months of employment. He reiterated how much they wanted me for this role and after thanking him and agreeing that I, too, thought it would be a great fit, I asked for a day or two to consider the revised offer. He said, “But I know you said that was a deal-breaker for you, so…” I acknowledged I’d said that and mentioned again why, then told him how interested I am in the role and why it would be worth reconsidering. He wrapped up by telling me they would work with me to make sure it works. I was truly torn but decided to accept. My husband asked me to get clarification regarding how they’d make it work for me, so I called the HR rep and said I thought we could make it work – to which he responded very positively – and hoped he could elaborate on that statement – to which he responded with some exasperation. He told me I’d have to work that out with my manager. I also asked for the promise to consider a second WFH day in writing, and he told me they “don’t put things like that in offer letters,” but he would put it in an email for me. None of that gave me the warm fuzzies, but I began thinking some of the attitude was probably his alone, not representative of the company’s and I verbally accepted. All that said, I find myself second-guessing my decision, in part because I wonder whether the HR rep’s attitude is indicative of the hiring manager’s. Is everyone there frustrated with me because I negotiated hard for the telecommuting option? The company has a reputation for being “nice,” and they kept saying how well I fit in. Did trying hard for the work-from-home arrangement undo that? Have I done irreparable harm to an important relationship with my boss, who will decide the fate of that second work-rom-home day? What should I have done differently? I don’t know how your new manager feels, but to be honest, I’d be a little annoyed with you. Working 40-60% of your time from home would be a significant change for many positions — and frequently not feasible at all or something that an employer would okay for a new employee whose work they don’t yet know. If that was a deal-breaker for you, you should have mentioned it much earlier in the process, so that they didn’t continue to invest time with you (and possibly cut other candidates loose) if that was a deal-breaker on their side. It’s true that you can sometimes negotiate things like this once you’re at the offer stage, but telling them it was an absolute deal-breaker was probably pretty frustrating to them, because if it was an absolute requirement for you, it should have come up earlier. (Plus, after saying it would be a deal-breaker for you, you basically said in the next conversation that you’d been bluffing about that!) I’d also be pretty put off by this part: “I went on to say I had discussed everything with my husband and we’d decided the new position would work for our family only if…” Your husband is not part of these negotiations. He’s part of your thinking process, yes, and of course it’s reasonable to discuss the offer with him — but when you talk to the employer, you should be talking about “I,” not “we.” Ultimately, they’ve been pretty accommodating with you. You sprung a working-from-home requirement on them at the last minute, and they came up with a pretty good compromise — one work-from-home day and the possibility of a second in six months, and an overall feeling that in general they want to make this work for you — and then you called them back and pressed them further. For what it’s worth, the promise to consider a second telecommuting day in six months doesn’t guarantee you anything; they can consider it and decide no, so that’s not where I’d be pressing after all the rest of it. (And he did agree to put it in writing, just not in their formal offer letter. An email counts as “in writing” for these purposes.) And calling back to ask them to spell out what “we want to make it work for you” means — well, it means they want to try to make it work for you, and they’ve offered what they can. I’d be annoyed by the request to spell it out further. They already did spell it out. So, if I were on their end of this negotiation, I’d be feeling a little annoyed and a little frustrated — and would feel that I was trying to be accommodating in the face of a surprising last-minute demand and not playing hard-ball at all, but that you were not responding in kind. I might be second-guessing the hiring decision a little. At this point, I’d recommend sending a enthusiastic email to your new manager about how excited you are to start the position and that you really appreciate his flexibility on the terms of the offer. Their worry now is probably that you are going to be Not Easy, so … be easy for them for a while and let that override any other impression they might have gotten. You may also like:should I negotiate a job offer on the spot or ask for time to think it over?I quit a new job after they took away my office, and my friend says I'm being pettyI negotiated salary for the first time -- and it worked! { 267 comments }
5 wrong moves that will damage your career by Alison Green on May 16, 2016 Some of the ways you can harm your career and your professional reputation are obvious ones – rack up a string of firings, tell off your boss, or take a daily afternoon nap when you’re supposed to be working. But some less obvious things that can do just as much harm to your career, if not more. Here are five moves that people often don’t realize will hold them back until it’s too late and the damage has been done. 1. Job hopping. If your work history is littered with a slew of jobs that you left pretty quickly, and you rarely stay anywhere longer than a year or two, at some point that track record will make it hard to get hired at the jobs you want. If you keeping leaving jobs that quickly, hiring managers will assume that you’ll do the same to them and will be reluctant to hire and invest in someone who will be out the door in a year or two. Having a stable work history is especially a prerequisite for the most interesting, challenging jobs, which generally have lots of people applying for them. If you have a history of job hopping, the best thing you can do for yourself long-term is to start building up some solid stays of at least three to four years so that employers can see that you’ve broken the pattern. (Note that short-term internships, temporary work, contract jobs, and anything else that was designed to be short-term from the beginning don’t trigger these concerns. Job hopping is about short stays at jobs that were intended to be more long-term.) 2. Resigning without notice. If you’re ever fed up with your job and tempted to walk out and never come back, resist the temptation! Rightly or wrongly, giving two weeks of notice when you resign is considered the professional standard. Quitting without notice will burn bridge, harm your reputation, and hurt your chances with other employers. You might think that you don’t care if you burn the bridge and that you can simply choose not to use this employer as a reference in the future, but reference-checkers can and do contact previous employers who aren’t on your reference list. And you never know if one of the coworkers who you left hanging when you walked out might end up at a company that you want to work for in the future. Two weeks isn’t that long in the scheme of things and definitely isn’t long enough that you should sacrifice your reputation and long-term job prospects. (Exceptions to this are if you need to leave immediately for health reasons, a family emergency, or other extenuating reasons. In those cases, reasonable employers will understand that notice isn’t feasible.) 3. Dating a manager or a subordinate. Most companies have polices against managers and subordinates dating, and for good reason: At best, it creates the appearance, and likely the reality, of bias and special treatment. It can mean that the subordinate’s performance isn’t assessed appropriately and the manager isn’t giving critical feedback. And most importantly, it can raise issues of coercion, consent, and harassment if the subordinate worries that declining a date or wanting to break things off could affect her standing with the boss, future raises, and overall tenure at the company. Yet despite all this, and despite widespread corporate policies against it, some managers and employees do end up dating – and when word gets out, both of their reputations are likely to be harmed by it. 4. Losing your temper. Everyone gets frustrated at work from time to time, but if you yell, slam doors, blow up at colleagues, or otherwise display hostile aggression or visible anger, you’re likely to quickly get a reputation that will follow you around even to future jobs. Losing your temper can be downright scary to coworkers, who may not feel comfortable around you afterwards, and witnessing that even once is likely to make people less inclined to want to work with you and hesitant to recommend you in the future. 5. Taking a job that you know you won’t be good at. Sometimes people get so caught up in the quest to get a job offer that they forget to think critically about whether the job is actually one they’ll be good at. That shortsightedness can lead to doing things like trying to hide key weaknesses, bluffing about your knowledge or experience, or trying to sell yourself for a role despite legitimate reservations from the hiring manager. There’s an enormous danger in doing this, because if it works, you’ll have vastly increased the chances that you’ll end up in a job that you struggle in or even get fired from. Even if you manage to muddle through, spending much time in a job that you’re just not very good at can have long-term effects on your reputation because people who knew you in that job will think of you as mediocre (which is not what you want in a reference or when you’re hoping for a connection to a job in the future). Plus, there’s an opportunity cost to spending time in a job that you’re not great at when you could have been spending that time building an excellent reputation somewhere else. I originally published this at U.S. News & World Report. You may also like:will it hurt my career to work for a slimy company?how to answer the interview question “how does this job fit with your career path?"how can I move from retail into a professional career? { 55 comments }
can I compare attending college to working a full-time job in my cover letter? by Alison Green on May 16, 2016 A reader writes: I have recently graduated from college. I currently have no job prospects, but I am applying to jobs on a daily basis. I feel that if I can write a really good cover letter it will give me that extra boost, as I did not work very much during college due to having scholarships. I have been trying to spin my college years as actually working a full-time job in my cover letter. What I mean is comparing attending college full-time to having a full-time job. For example, showing up to classes on time is just like showing up to work on time. Also, what you learn in the classroom is giving you experience in what you might encounter in your chosen field of work. For me, it was working with all the laws (i.e. FMLA, Title 7, COBRA, etc.) and how they might apply to situations. My courses also taught me indirectly the tricks of Microsoft Word, PowerPoint, and Excel. I view my college years as my main job for the last four years. Here is what I have so far for my cover letter concerning my college years: “Attending college has been my full-time job for the last four years. Attending a full schedule of classes is very comparable to being employed full-time. I had to meet the expectations of solid attendance, completion of projects within expected parameters and prioritizing various assignments all while maintaining a good relationship with an ever-changing set of diverse classmates. My assignments were viewed as miniature performance reviews with the grade being the equivalent to a performance rating.” Is this a plausible way to go for my cover letter? Yeah, no, don’t do that. Attending college full-time is actually not like having a full-time job, and you will come across as naive if you write that. There are lots of differences between school and work that employers find significant. For example: * If you mess up or neglect your work in college, it will only impact you. In a job, other people are counting on your work. (And yes, college has team projects, but the stakes aren’t the same.) * In school, the emphasis is on exploring your subject and learning how to think. At work, the emphasis is about getting things done, often as quickly as possible. Learning is good, but it’s not the point. * At school, you have someone guiding your learning. At work, you’re often expected to figure most things out on your own. * In school, you have a whole cadre of people who are there to help you succeed — professors, advisors, counselors, etc. At work, whether or not you succeed is basically on you and you alone, and if you’re not succeeding, you’re probably not going to keep that job. * At school, you can get away with a certain amount of slacking — skip a class you don’t feel like attending, throw a paper together at the last minute. You might not do as well as you otherwise would, but you can get away with it to a point. But if you try that at work, slacking will often affect other people, and it can get you fired. * At school, effort often matters a lot. At work, effort doesn’t matter; results do. You’ll be judged by the quality of what you produce, not by how hard you worked to produce it. So no, don’t compare attending school to working a full-time job. Also, don’t include that list of what you needed to do to succeed in school; employers know what school entails. Moreover, most or all of the candidates you’re competing with have probably had that same experience, so it’s not setting you apart from them. Instead, talk about what makes you particularly qualified. Look at it from an employer’s perspective — when faced with a sea of candidates who all recently graduated, and some of whom worked jobs during that time too, what is it that should make them interested in hiring you? That’s what you need to talk about in your cover letter and resume. (There’s advice here on how to do that when you don’t have much experience.) This is going to be more challenging because not working much during school is going to put you at a disadvantage when you’re competing against people who did (and it’s why I strongly encourage people to work and intern while they’re in school, although I realize that advice is totally unhelpful to you now). So the challenge for you now is to figure out what you have to offer employers and present that in a compelling way. Hopefully “didn’t work very much” does mean “did work a bit” — and you can mine those experiences for cover letter and resume fodder. Read an update to this letter here. You may also like:can I compare attending college to working a full-time job in my cover letter?do employers care about college extracurriculars?remember the manager who wouldn't let her best employee attend her own graduation? { 245 comments }
deli meats and working lunches, internal candidates need not apply, and more by Alison Green on May 16, 2016 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. Pregnancy, deli meats, and working lunches I just found out I’m pregnant, and I’m really excited and happy about it. I have told my direct supervisor, who is very supportive, and we have a great parental leave policy. But for a number of reasons (it’s still very early, there are some potential risks, I’m not quite ready yet) I am not sharing the news with my coworkers and would prefer not to until I am much further along. I’m not showing and not getting sick at work, so there is no way they would know. My question is around working lunches. Frequently, we have business meetings that either run through lunch or start / end with lunch, and the usual fare is sandwiches and chips. I’m not a huge fan of sandwiches, but hey, free food and networking, so I always eat them. Now, though, my doctor has said I should avoid deli meats due to the risk of listeria. How do I handle this? For the start or end with lunch options, I could always duck out and get my own, but I will miss out on valuable networking and “shop talk” over lunch. For the meetings that go through lunch, there really isn’t time to go get food on my own. Is my best option to bring my own? What do I say to coworkers, who will inevitably ask since this is an abrupt change in habit for me? Also, it would be hard to say I’m going vegetarian or trying to eat healthy salads only. Due to mild nausea, bread, crackers, and a few proteins like chicken are the only things I eat right now (veggies are out). (Side note – I know that the deli meat / listeria thing is controversial for some, and many women eat sandwiches and are fine. For me, I’m not a huge fan to start, and other than this one issue it doesn’t impact my life, so I would rather just avoid deli meat at my doctors request.) Can you talk to whoever’s in charge of food for these meetings and just ask that they include a sandwich that you could eat? You don’t need to cite the pregnancy; you could just matter-of-factly say that you’re dealing with some diet changes, could they please get you X, thanks. It’s pretty reasonable to ask the person in charge of ordering food to order something that you can eat. The more matter-of-fact you are about it, the better. If for some reason talking to that person directly doesn’t make sense, I’d explain what’s up to your manager, since she already knows about your pregnancy, and ask her her support in broadening what’s being offered, without tying it to you. (If it’s all deli meat sandwiches, you’re probably not the only one who would appreciate other options.) If you don’t like either of those options, you could also just bring your own food and if anyone questions it, say something vague like “I’m experimenting with some diet changes, nothing too interesting” or “I’m on a major crackers binge” or whatever you feel like saying. Again, the more matter-of-fact you are about it, the less people will pry. Read an update to this letter here. 2. Internal candidates need not apply I work at a small, struggling nonprofit whose board recently abruptly fired our executive director with basically no transition plan in place. Although I spent two years working very, very hard, doing the jobs of two people to keep the place open, I have been told by the board that I need not apply for the interim executive director position, that external candidates will only be considered. This despite the fact that our personnel manual explicitly says that all open positions must be advertised internally first. I am angry, resentful, bitter, and hurt that the organization I have given basically everything to for the past five years is so dismissive of me as an asset and an advocate to return us to solvency. I also found out we won’t even be getting paid on time (this has been a recurring theme) and to me, the message from the board of directors is “we will be happy to let you work even harder with no title change, no raise, no support, and no chance for advancement.” In other words, “we invite you to continue being exploited. Thank you for all your hard work.” What should I do? Well, you could job search. The decision to look only at outside candidates for an ED role could be sensible, if the board specifically wants to go in a different direction than what the organization has been doing (and the firing of the old ED might indicate exactly that). Or they could want someone with skills and experience that no one on the current staff has (also very possible when it comes to an ED role). So I’d try not to be too irked by that element of it — but certainly if you’re not getting paid on time and you’re unhappy and you don’t feel you’re being paid appropriately or given the resources to do your job, you should look at other jobs. Any one of those would be a reason to find something else and leave — taken altogether, they’re a screaming neon sign telling you to. 3. Should I try to set up meetings with prospective coworkers when applying at a new company? My wife and I are relocating from Seattle to Phoenix. She has already found and started a new job, and, although I still work in the Seattle area, I am fervently looking for a new job in Phoenix. At my current employer, whenever an employee was applying for an internal transfer or promotion, one thing that was expected was for you as the employee to interview your next potential boss, the person leaving the position for which you are applying, coworkers of that position, and anyone else with knowledge about the position, thus giving you pertinent knowledge of the applied for position prior to an internal interview. Although I have searched, I cannot find any articles addressing this when a person is applying to another company. For example, I will be applying for a manager position at a municipal government this week, and I wanted to try to set up a meeting with the potential future boss, the outgoing or interim manager, and maybe a subordinate to find out some details like what is going well, what needs to be fixed, why is the position available, etc. Is this practice I am describing frowned upon or not encouraged (my prior industry was law enforcement and that is not the new industry in which I trying to get a job)? Even if the potential future boss says he or she cannot speak with me as he or she is part of the decision-making process, would I garner any points for trying? I am talking about trying this very soon after applying, especially to maybe help get an interview. Nope, that’s absolutely not a thing you do when applying from outside the company — and definitely not before they’ve invited you to interview. You’ll look like you’re overstepping and trying to use their employees’ time inappropriately (in part because they may not even be interested in your candidacy, and in part because even if they are, they’re going to want to structure the hiring process themselves, not have you try to do it yourself). Do not do this. 4. Does this email from an employer mean I’m being rejected? I got the following note after an interview. Does it mean I am out? I thought the interview was short but good. How should I respond? I have never received a response to a thank-you note. This is from the CEO: “Thank you very much for your email. It was a real pleasure speaking with you today. I appreciate your enthusiasm and desire to help us make an impact. We will be in touch with you soon, but no matter how it works out you have my thanks for taking the time to come meet with me and for your passion for what we do.” Nope, it means that they’ll be in touch soon and appreciate you coming in. Employers, for the most part, don’t speak in coded messages about this kind of thing. If they were ready to reject you, they’d just reject you. I know it’s tempting to try to read into stuff like this, but it will do you no favors. Take it at face value and believe that all it means it what it says. If this was a response to your thank-you, don’t respond at all — you thanked them, they responded, and that’s the end of this particular exchange. If this wasn’t a response to anything you sent, then just reply with something like, “I really enjoyed talking with you as well and appreciated your time. Looking forward to hearing back from you.” Or, if you haven’t already sent a thank-you, now is the time to respond with the kind of thing that would normally have gone in that. (Keep in mind that post-interview thank-you’s should really be less about thanking and more about following up on the conversation you had in an interview. More on that here.) 5. Does management experience have to be current? I work part-time as a Teapot Painting Assistant under a full-time Teapot Painter, and am currently job-searching for a Teapot Painter position of my very own. In my current role, my boss and I jointly supervise a few Teapot Cleaners, which I’ve been identifying as supervisory experience in my resumes and cover letters. I’m going to be relocating for various reasons in a couple of months, and if I can’t find a Painter position before that relocation, I may need to take another Assistant position to fill the gap. Do hiring managers expect to see unbroken chains of supervisory work when they look at a prospective candidate? In other words, if I say “I have X years of supervisory experience,” and then the hiring manager looks at my resume and sees that that experience was at a prior job, would that reflect poorly on me? (I realize the answer to this probably varies by profession and position, but can you give a general sense of the expectations here?) No, generally speaking, your management experience doesn’t need to be unbroken, and it’s fine to say “I have X years of doing Y” when it’s from a prior job. That said, depending on the job and what they’re looking for, recency could matter. If I’m hiring for a job where I really care about management experience, experience from 10 years ago isn’t going to be as compelling as something more recent. But if you’ve managed teams in the past for some reasonable amount of time (i.e., not six months) and just haven’t done it in a couple of years, that’s not really an issue. For what it’s worth, “jointly supervising” people always raises some skepticism for me, and if I see that on a resume, I’m going to want to know details — which elements of managing people were you doing, and were there some that you weren’t doing? Generally if management experience is a key qualification for a role, I want you have done all the parts of managing people, not just some of them, so that’s potentially an issue, depending on how that job worked. You may also like:I'm pregnant! how do I announce it at work?when should I tell my interviewer I'm pregnant?my coworkers are asking if my pregnancy was planned { 177 comments }
weekend free-for-all – May 14-15, 2016 by Alison Green on May 14, 2016 This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. (This one is truly no work and no school. If you have a work question, you can email it to me or post it in the work-related open thread on Fridays.) Book recommendation of the week: A Spool of Blue Thread, by Anne Tyler. Several generations of a Baltimore family, and you will care about them more than makes sense. The Washington Post called it “an act of literary enchantment,” which seems right. * I make a commission if you use that Amazon link. You may also like:all my 2015 book recommendationswhy do interviewers ask about your favorite books or movies?my employer banned books in the break room { 902 comments }
how to turn down networking requests, company takes credit for our social events, and more by Alison Green on May 14, 2016 It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go… 1. How to turn down networking requests Today I received two networking messages, to which I’m not sure how to respond. The first I received via a former classmate from college introducing me to a grad school friend of hers. The second a cold email from someone with no connection to my personal email address. Both emails are asking for informational interviews as they are applying for an open position on my team. I honestly don’t have a lot of time right now — I’m managing several projects as well as my team and I am a new mom. I know I should write these folks back, but I’m worried it’s going to come off cold and blunt for me to go “sorry, can’t. Oh, btw you’re overqualified for the position” (no, that’s not what I’d actually write, but it’s what I WANT to write). What would your suggestion be to help redirect these job seekers? If they have a current job application with you, they’re not asking for informational interviews; they’re asking for actual interviews, even though they’re using different terminology to try to distract you from that fact. I’d just say this: “I see that you’ve applied for the position. We’ve found that the best way to get to know people and explore things on both sides is to use the formal hiring process we’ve set up, but of course I’ll be glad to talk further if we move forward.” If this were truly a request for an informational interview, you could still decline. In that case, you could say something like, “I wish I could help, but the reality is that my schedule is packed right now, and I need to turn down some requests in order to be able to ever see my family” or “Unfortunately, my schedule is really packed right now, so I’m not able to meet, but I’d be glad to answer a quick question or two by email if that would help.” 2. Company is taking credit for the events my coworkers and I organize outside of work I’ve been working at my current company for just over a year, and although I really enjoy the work I do and the people I work with, I have a bit of a problem with corporate culture. I work in a creative field, and while there are certainly exceptions, many creative agencies pride themselves on their corporate culture. Great corporate culture is often balanced out by crunch times and long hours, but I love the work I do and am happy to put up with crunch times and longer hours as long as I enjoy coming in to work every day. When I took this job, they acknowledged that they had a lot to do regarding corporate culture, but mentioned that they had just hired a director whose main focus would be to improve the company culture and work on implementing new programs (work from home! giving back through volunteering! etc. etc.). I took this as a good sign and took the job. It’s been a year now and there hasn’t been any change in the corporate culture – none of the promised new initiatives have passed muster and I would argue that it has gotten worse. To counter this, my coworkers and I have decided to organize our own events, outside of work and with our own money, because we get along well and like working together. I honestly don’t mind that we have to do this on our own and have a lot of fun when we go out together, but I recently learned that when recruiting new employees, management has been using our gatherings as examples of how great our corporate culture is and that the company is committed to culture and culture events. Are the gatherings we are organizing culture events? Can we push back against management using our independently organized events as recruiting tools? Should we stop holding these events? Do you have any recommendations for helping to foster company culture with management? That’s annoying. That said, “our employees regularly organize events together outside of work” actually is something about the culture, and you can’t really insist that your company not mention it. You can, however, say, “We started organizing these events because we really wanted them and the company wasn’t doing them. Since it sounds like you do see them as valuable, can we turn the organizing responsibility over to (insert name of logical person here) or otherwise have the company take these over?” If you wanted to push it further, you could say, “We were actually really disappointed that we had to organize these on our own, especially since we were told that new culture initiatives were a priority for the company when Jane’s role was created. That’s still something many of us would like to see. Could we get an update about how those plans are going?” As for changing the culture more broadly … it’s unlikely. You have a large degree of control over the type of relationships you have with each other, but beyond that, you really need buy-in from the top and it doesn’t sound like that’s there. 3. My boss wants me to travel with her I am a special needs PCA for a child. His mother, my boss, is telling me that a month from now she is planning on going back to her home state to visit her sick father, and she would like me to go to help her with her children because her husband cannot go. I’ve been working with her for four years now and I told her that I do not like to travel because I am claustrophobic and get motion sick easily. I will get motion sick just driving 20 minutes away to the grocery store. So how could I deal with nine hours in a van with a dog and four screaming children, and while being in heavy traffic? Not only that, but I would be staying at her vacation/childhood home, with no private room of my own. I work Monday through Friday and I work 40 hours a week, sometimes maybe even more and the only time I get to rest is on the weekends, but at the time I am always on the go with cleaning my house and taking care of errands that I put off for the week. I am her only employee so she relies heavily on me and I get so tired and burned out, but she doesn’t see it and always pressures me to work. How can I tell her that I would like to take that time to rest up and focus on myself, without her getting mad like she always does whenever I tell her no? Be clear and firm and say no: “I’m not able to accompany you on your trip. I have commitments here at home and it’s not possible for me to go.” If she keeps pushing you after that, then say, “As I’ve said, I will not be going on the trip.” And if necessary, you can add, “I’m uncomfortable with you pressuring me to change my answer. I’m not able to go, and we can’t keep trying to revisit it.” (In fact, I’d like to see you being even firmer about it — something like “I need you to stop pressuring me to work when I’ve told you I’m not available” — but I realize that when you’re working in someone’s home, dynamics can be weird.) It sounds like this is part of a pattern — she frequently gets angry when you tell you that you can’t work extra hours — and so you also probably need to have a big-picture conversation about that. Frankly, you may need to decide if you want to continue working for her under these conditions; if you think you’d be able to easily get other work, you should consider taking a pretty hard line with her about this (“in order for me to continue on, I need you to stop doing XYZ”). Also, if you work through an agency, you could talk to your agency and ask for their help in managing this. 4. Should being an acting manager go on my resume? I’m part of a team of six, and one of us is the supervisor. The rest of us are at the same level. Since I’ve been at this job (1.5 years), my supervisor has gone away for three-week periods on three separate occasions. He asked me to act as supervisor during that time. That involves me serving as the point of contact between our team and the rest of the firm, delegating any work, making sure deadlines are met, etc. These were always expected to be quiet periods but something always inevitably came up–often many things did–but I successfully resolved any issues each time. Is this resume-worthy or not? And if yes, how do I phrase it? Yes. “Served as acting supervisor in manager’s absence, including X, Y, and Z.” You may also like:how many times can I ask a networking contact for help?my networking meetings aren't leading to interviewshow do I network without being too transactional? { 103 comments }
update: employee is taking all his vacation days at our busiest time of year by Alison Green on May 13, 2016 Remember the letter-writer whose employee was taking all of his vacation days at their busiest time of the year? Here’s the update. First, I want to thank the commenters for an active and lively discussion. Certainly many people had an opinion on how I should handle my employee’s future vacation requests. I was a little disappointed that so much of the discussion focused on things that were, and still are, outside of my control: the use-it-or-lose-it vacation policy, that working remotely is not an option for this role, and that taking three weeks of vacation time in a row would be very outside the norm for my company. So, thanks Alison for your active moderation on all posts and focusing commenters on the specific question at hand. So first, let me explain how our busy season panned out with Bob being gone for a large majority of it. As I expected, December was a complete nightmare for me. I was in the office almost every day at 5:30 am and wouldn’t leave until around 9 pm or after. I came into the office almost every Saturday and Sunday as well. When Bob returned in January, I was so far deep into all the projects that I couldn’t utilize him for almost anything on these key projects other than very small supporting tasks. Instead, I had him focus on all of the “regular” projects that were dropping through the cracks during this busy time. As for me, my insane work schedule continued throughout January, until all deliverables had been completed in early February. Career-wise, the work on my end paid off. My deliverables were hailed as some of the best the company had ever seen. I received numerous compliments and tons of praise from several EVPs and our CEO (!). At my performance review, I was given a very high rating and received the highest possible raise. I have established myself as one of the best employees, if not the best employee, that holds my role. Personally, though, that crazy work schedule impacted me in some very negative ways. I gained almost 20 pounds due to poor eating, never got enough sleep, and didn’t allow myself any time for any positive outlets for stress (like exercise). It impacted my marriage as well since I very rarely saw my spouse and when I did, I was frazzled. I am not sure how to back out of this for next year….since I showed I could deliver a way-above-expectations deliverable, I feel obligated to deliver the same in the future….except that I don’t really want to work that hard in the future. That leads me to my team. Bob returned in January and was visibly guilty throughout the month. To be clear, I took the advice of AAM and I said nothing to him before his vacation nor upon his immediate return. I don’t believe I did or said anything to contribute to him feeling bad about taking vacation during that time. I think he could see that the entire department was working so hard and we were all essentially bonding over how miserable we were, and he was left out. Of course, he also was largely left out of any praise or compliment for the deliverables of my team, which was a huge missed opportunity for him to shine. Bob actually came to me and promised not to take vacation ever again during that time. (Or perhaps, maybe he reads this blog! Who knows.) I let him know I could support him taking time off during our less busy times, even if it is more than week at a time. However, it’s April, and he’s only taken one day of vacation so far. Probably at every other one-on-one I ask him about his vacation plans for the year and encourage him to take some time off, but I still haven’t received any official vacation requests. I am hopeful that with Bob’s help, this year we can deliver a product that is just as high quality as last year’s deliverables, but without having to make so many personal sacrifices. I have also started keeping personal best-practices documents to supplement documents that my HR team provides. I wish I had thought to ask about used/unused vacation time when I inherited this employee – but that’s now been added to my personal “New Employee Orientation” best practices document. Thanks again for posting my question, and helping me get feedback on this tricky situation. Me again. Keep in mind that you don’t want to wait for it to get late in the year, have Bob realize that he hasn’t used his vacation time yet, and then have him decide that he again needs to take it at your busiest time. Say something now — something like, “Can we sit down and figure out when you can schedule some vacation time? Because of how busy I expect December to be, I won’t be able to approve many days off then, and I want to make sure you get a chance to take some time this year.” If he doesn’t want to, then make sure you’re clear with him about the limits of what you’ll be able to approve later (“I want to make sure you know that I’m only going to be able to approve a maximum of X days off in December, even if you have several weeks saved up, so I really urge you to use it before then” or whatever). You don’t need to find yourself in a situation where last year gets repeated; you can say no to that, and that’s a fair thing to do as long as you’re been really clear with him all along. Just don’t put that conversation off, or you risk misleading him into thinking he could do it again if he wants to. You may also like:how to ask for more vacation timeeverything you need to know about how to take vacation timehow can I take time off when my team needs it more? { 170 comments }
open thread – May 13-14, 2016 by Alison Green on May 13, 2016 It’s the Friday open thread — as well as my birthday! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on anything work-related that you want to talk about. If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to talk to other readers. * If you submitted a question to me recently, please don’t repost it here, as it may be in the to-be-answered queue :) You may also like:the Leap Day employee finally gets her birthday off this yearour new phones have fewer speed dial buttons and everyone is freaking outcoworker trash-talks Millennials, is it better to send a perfect application or apply right away, and more { 1,341 comments }
job candidate called me four times in one day, coworker might be deliberately undermining my work, and more by Alison Green on May 13, 2016 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. Job candidate called me four times in one day I am in the process of scheduling interviews for a new opening in our department. I called a batch of candidates this morning and left messages for a few of them. I then had a meeting with my boss and he gave me a task to prioritize over everything else. I even told him I would be ignoring emails/phone calls and would be on Do Not Disturb for most of the day. He agreed because this project is huge and it has to be done by the end of the week. So morning passes and I get four phone calls from one candidate, who apparently was quite nervous when I didn’t pick up and immediately respond to the voicemail she left with her first call. To be fair, I don’t like ignoring people when I’ve initiated the conversation, but today is just one of those days where I didn’t have time to pause and didn’t want to break my focus on this project. So I figured, it sucks that I can’t answer her right now but I’ll call back first thing tomorrow morning once I have the bulk of my project finished. Fast forward to this afternoon. She is apparently a current employee for our workplace in a different department, so she tracked me down via our instant messaging system rather than choosing to email me and sent me a message about how she’d called several times and thought this was the best method since “for some reason, nobody was returning my calls. : )” Yes, that is verbatim, including the smiley face. Am I crazy for being irritated with this? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not up in arms but considering the magnitude of the project I’ve been working on and my stress levels when she messaged me, it definitely rubbed me the wrong way. I think it’s pretty common to not answer a phone call within a day if you’ve got a lot going on, and it seems to me like she’s not really understanding professional norms. I’d love to get your take on this. Yeah, that absolutely should rub you the wrong way. Called you four times in a single day? That’s three calls too many. And then followed that up with an IM where she implied she was being ignored? You should pass this along to whoever will be making decisions about candidates. This is the kind of thing that should make that person reconsider whether to interview her at all, or at least be on the watch for additional evidence of inappropriateness. (I think that person is not you and that you’re just doing the scheduling, but if I’m wrong and it is you, seriously consider whether the new information you now have about this candidate changes your assessment of her strength.) Nerves are one thing, but she flew right past nerves into presumption and rudeness. Read updates to this letter here and here. 2. My coworker might be deliberately undermining my work At my office, we are ranked on our amount of customer contact, measured by the number of meetings logged. A colleague at work, who is tasked with logging meetings, has been leaving me out of these logs, while always adding my boss/other colleagues (even when they did not attend the meeting). It has happened frequently. I’m trying not to take this personally, but it feels quite deliberate and unprofessional because it happened several times and the error is always the same: leaving me out of the logs (instead of other attendees). It doesn’t feel like regular, garden-variety sloppiness (which isn’t good either!). While this colleague and I are not close friends, I have tried my best to be cordial and professional. There’s no serious bad blood, but there have been several moments of awkwardness. He took constructive feedback quite personally and made it clear it was unwelcome, and since then I’ve tried to reduce contact with him to the bare minimum professional levels, and refrained from giving him any feedback. Objectively, this isn’t just about me feeling slighted, but also impacts how my bosses perceive my work performance (that it’s under-reported). I just want my activity to be accurately logged without drama. I know I cannot second-guess his intentions. The straightforward situation would be to bring it up to him directly. If this is deliberate, I’m not sure how effective this would be though. I have a great relationship with his boss and could discuss it with his boss, but I feel this approach would be even more unwelcome. Start by assuming it’s not deliberate — since the solution will be the same either way — and just ask him to correct it: “Hey Fergus, on multiple occasions, my customer meetings haven’t been getting logged. It’s important that they do — do you need me to do anything differently to ensure that they end up in your logs?” If it keeps happening after that, then yes, you definitely do need to loop in his boss. If Fergus has an issue with that, you should mention that to his boss too — because his boss needs to know if Fergus is messing up his work in a way that impacts others and then bristling when people try to resolve it. Don’t let his prickliness keep you from dealing with this, and dealing with it ASAP. It’s something that sounds like it could unfairly affect your professional standing, and so you have to speak up. 3. My recruiting messages on LinkedIn aren’t getting any responses I have recently joined the corporate world and am working as a recruiter with one of the biggest IT providers in the U.S. My biggest struggle is to work through LinkedIn to utilize the talent in I.T. My In-Mails are not getting any response. An example of what I send: “I came across your profile on linkedin while searching for Java j2ee talent and I found your experience to be very interesting. I would like to know little bit more about yourself by setting up a call or in person meeting to understand your goals and interest.” Can you advise on this and help me get better? Yeah, people aren’t responding to that email because you’ve given them absolutely no reason to spend time answering your questions. You haven’t mentioned a job or given any details about where the call might lead; there’s no incentive for them to respond to something so open-ended. Instead, open with a clear description of the job that you’re hiring for and why they might be the right fit for it, and then ask if they’d be interested in learning more. Bonus points if you include things that should be additional draws, such as the salary and other incentives. 4. My new coworker takes loud calls on speaker phone with his door open For many years, I have worked in a generally reasonably quiet office where, in the past, people who have needed to take phone calls either use a headset or handset or close their doors. My new office neighbor does neither, taking long and short calls on speaker phone with his door open. I sometimes get up and close my door, which is annoying, both because it signals to others that I’m on a call/unavailable (which isn’t true) or that I’m stand-offish, and because you know, I have to get off my duff and do it, interrupting my work. He’s at exactly my level, so it’s not a management issue, just a workplace etiquette one – is there a polite way for me to ask him to stop? Absolutely, and if he’s polite in return, it should work. Say this: “Bob, would you mind closing your door if you’re going to take a call on speaker phone? Or use a handset if you prefer to leave the door open? It can be pretty loud and makes it hard to focus. Thank you!” A reasonable coworker will be happy to respect this request. That’s especially true if Bob is new to your office, which it sounds like he is; he should be particularly interested in not causing disruptions in his new workplace. (Actually, you could play directly to that and say something like, “Our walls are pretty thin here, so we all close our doors if we’re using speaker phone.” In other words, This Is How We Do it Here, Bob.) 5. My company says I’m not eligible for FMLA leave because our 100 employees are spread over three states I work at a company that has just over 100 employees spread across three offices (and three states). No single location has more than 40 employees. I recently told my boss that I’m pregnant. I’m the first pregnant employee my company has ever had, so the official policy is pretty vague. I sat down with my boss and HR to ask a lot of questions and try to put together a plan. During this meeting, I was told that since there aren’t 50 employees at any single office, FMLA doesn’t apply. This strikes me as an incorrect interpretation of that law, but I’m having trouble actually justifying that. Is this really how it works? How far away are the other locations? To be covered by FMLA, you have to work at a location where at least 50 employees are employed at the location or within 75 miles of the location. (Or if you worked remotely, you’d only be covered if the office you report to and which makes assignments to you has 50 or more employees working within 75 miles of its location. In other words, the law hasn’t kept up with technology and the increase in remote workers.) You may also like:should interviewers give job candidates a way to contact them?candidate showed up in-person for a Zoom interview "to demonstrate their interest"dealing with recruiters when phone calls make you anxious { 400 comments }