Ask a Manager in the media

Here’s some coverage of Ask a Manager in the media recently:

I was on the Dear Prudence podcast last week.

Ask a Manager was mentioned on the Office Ladies podcast (run by Pam and Angela — well, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey — from The Office). The segment starts at 11:00 here.

I talked to Time about how to set boundaries at work.

I talked to Reader’s Digest about how to take a sick day.

how do I stop bringing work stress home with me?

It’s the Thursday “ask the readers” question. A reader writes:

I work a full-time corporate job and am a manager. I have a fair amount of stress related to my job, but I don’t believe it’s above the norm, in relation to other jobs I have. In terms of stakes, I’m not in charge of saving lives or anything else high-pressure.

I work 40 hours a week and don’t generally check my email on off-hours. However, I still find myself thinking about various work situations when I’m not at work (especially related to challenges with my team). Is there a trick to compartmentalizing and leaving the work stress at the office (metaphorically, since I also work from home sometimes)?

Readers, what’s your advice?

the prize for our tree decorating contest is baby clothes, I accidentally recommended a smutty book to my boss, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. The prize for our tree decorating contest is … baby clothes

My office does a “Best Holiday Tree” decorating competition based on department. Everyone is encouraged to decorate their department’s trees using office supplies. It has been popular for several years. The winning department, based on anonymous vote, previously got a free happy hour and dinner. This year there was a wave of newborns amongst my coworkers so the admin who sets it up has decided that the winning group will get … company-branded baby clothes.

I pointed out that while a lot of people did have kids this year, baby clothes excludes more than half the office. I’ve suggested we do a voucher to the company brand store so everyone has the same level of incentive to participate if a happy hour was no longer an option, but “baby clothes” has taken off among the new parents. I’m one of the many who hasn’t had a baby this year, and when I brought it up to the admin, I was told I was whining. Is there a way to bring it up without coming off as “whiny,” or should I suck it up?

Yeah, that’s a bad prize, for a whole bunch of reasons. It’s not that a prize is so incredibly high stakes — obviously it’s not — but it’s an odd and un-inclusive choice.

If you want to try again, bring it up to someone who’s not the admin — her boss, or someone else with enough authority to overrule them. It’s not “whiny” to point out the prize is of strangely narrow interest. (And if you have anyone struggling with infertility or miscarriages, ugh.) Although at this point, the thing I’d be more interested in raising is that it’s fine to consider and reject feedback, but it’s not okay to call well-intentioned feedback “whiny,” especially about something that’s supposed to boost morale.

Whether to bring any of this up depends on how much you care and your sense of how much other people care — it might not be worth the capital to bother — but you’re not wrong to be annoyed.

Also, those aren’t “holiday trees.” — your friendly neighborhood Jew

2. I accidentally recommended a smutty book to my boss

In my last one-on-one with my boss, we started chatting about books, and I mentioned that I’d be rereading a series in anticipation for the release of the third book this past weekend. We exchanged titles of books we liked, and the meeting moved on.

However, upon rereading the books I recommended, I realized they were a LOT smuttier than I remembered, and this third one has some pretty kinky sex scenes. Help! My anxiety is through the roof, thinking that I told my boss to go read a romance book that I remembered as mostly fantasy! How much of a work faux pas did I commit? Should I mention it again and warn her about the explicit bits that I forgot about?? Or am I completely overthinking this?

For reference, the book series is The Last Binding by Freya Marske. I highly recommend it but know that it gets pretty explicit lol.

Did you recommend it to her or just mention that you enjoyed it? If the latter, I don’t think you need to worry about it, but if the former, yeah, it wouldn’t hurt (and would probably give you peace of mind) to go back and say, “After I recommended Book X to you, I realized it is much smuttier than I’d remembered! And then I was mortified because I hadn’t warned you. So I am remedying that with this warning!” A lot of bosses will laugh at that point, and that should be that. But if she doesn’t think it’s hilarious, that might be even more of a sign that the disclaimer was a good idea.

3. My boss threatened to fire me after I had one bad month

I’m a manager on a small team. The past month or so, several personal issues have caused my response time at work to slow. Think going from same-day or one day response time to 4-5 business day response time. Some tasks that I’d previously always completed on time I needed extra time for. I honestly didn’t think it was severe enough for anyone to even notice. I have a stellar track record at work up til now, and received a promotion/raise earlier this year in recognition of that fact, so I thought I could let myself slow down a little while I worked through everything in my personal life.

My boss did notice. Instead of addressing it with me, we had a surprise meeting where he implied I would be fired if I didn’t shape up. No “I’ve noticed you struggling, you’re usually so on the ball, how can I support you?” Just “Get back to how you were or you’re out.”

At least until I revealed that some of the personal issues I have been going through are medical in nature. He was a lot more supportive and understanding after that. I’m still on thin ice, but the tone definitely shifted from aggressive to understanding.

It seems wild to me that, until I revealed private medical info, he was ready to fire me after a few bad weeks without once offering support. I fully admit I haven’t been as on the ball lately, but I really would have expected some steps between that and immediate risk of firing. We don’t do any work that’s time sensitive or life-threatening. Am I crazy?

No, that’s ridiculous. You have a stellar track record, which they recently recognized with a huge raise, but they threatened to fire you over one month of slower response times? Maybe your work in the last month was worse than you realized, but the conversation should have been, “I’m seeing these issues, what’s going on?” not “This is your final chance.”

4. High school teachers as references

I’m a high school teacher, and have been asked to be a reference for dozens of students over the years. These are either for typical high school jobs (fast food, retail) or for internships / junior positions in the field that I teach in (computing).

I have never once been contacted! Often students will tell me they got the job and thank me for being a reference — but I’ve never been emailed or called in the last six years of being a teacher.

Is this common in hiring teenagers? Do people not really care what an applicant’s teacher has to say about them?

Yeah, a lot of jobs that hire teenagers won’t bother to check references at all, or if they do they’re more likely to call past managers (if available) rather than teachers because they want to ask job-focused questions. It’s not that teachers don’t have insight into what their students are like or that there’s not a lot of overlap between how someone shows up in class and how they are at a job — you do and there is — but a lot of hiring managers just don’t put enough stock in teacher references to bother calling them. (Which is not to discourage people from using teachers as references at that stage of life! Teachers are a reasonable reference for teenagers to offer when they don’t have much or any job history.)

5. Company pays health insurance premiums for some but not others

My husband works for a small mom-and-pop business with about 15 employees. After many years of employee requests, the business just started offering health insurance to employees two years ago. As is typical, the business pays for a percentage of the health insurance — I believe around 50%. However, my husband recently learned that some of his coworkers (seemingly at random) have 100% of their health insurance premiums covered, including one coworker who also has her dependent covered in full. My husband is the only other employee who has a dependent, and having him and our child covered would lift a huge financial burden on our family. All of his coworkers but one have the same title, and there is no pattern that we can ascertain as to who has theirs covered and who doesn’t. Is this legal?

No federal law requires employers to cover the same portion of insurance premiums for all employees as long as they’re acting without regard to race, sex, national origin, religion, age, or other protected class. That’s still a very unusual choice, though. Typically employers that cover different amounts for different people base the differences on clear eligibility criteria, like full-time or part-time status, job title, or seniority. If it’s truly random, they’re opening the door to (even inadvertent) differences by race/age/etc., which creates a legal liability.

Your husband would be on solid ground in asking what criteria are being used for this, or just trying to negotiate his own premium coverage.

when are potlucks a bad idea?

A reader writes:

My office is doing a potluck for Thanksgiving. We are a company with just over 100 people. I have dietary restrictions, so I asked if there would be a sign-up so I’d know in advance if I could eat anything. HR declined, saying they don’t want people to feel pressured to bring anything.

But … that’s the whole point of a potluck. If they don’t want to pressure people to bring food, they should cater it. I am also concerned about food safety, as I have had negative reactions to potluck food before. My current plan is to just eat a meal beforehand and bring some roasted potatoes.

Is there a point at which a company is large enough that a potluck is just a bad idea? Or am I overreacting?

Your potluck is being strangely run, but I don’t think it’s because of your company’s size.

If they’re going to hold a potluck, it makes sense to offer a sign-up sheet where people can note what they plan to bring so that you don’t end up with 20 potato salads, 50 packs of napkins, and nothing else. (Actually, I would be delighted to eat a meal of 20 different potato salads, but it’s probably not what most people are going for.) Including a sign-up doesn’t really amp up the pressure on people to bring something; it just makes things more organized and less likely to result in day-of chaos.

And yes, if they’re concerned about pressuring people to participate, they should indeed just cater it. People often do feel pressured to participate in potlucks. Other people love them, of course! But if they’re this concerned about a sign-up sheet causing pressure, catering is the way to go.

That said, I don’t know that a sign-up sheet would have helped you know in advance if you’d be able to eat anything — since you wouldn’t know what surprising ingredients people might be putting in their mashed potatoes. (Although I suppose if you saw something very simple listed, like a fruit platter, you might reasonably guess that would end up being safe.)

Really, though, dietary restrictions and potlucks can be a tough mix, unless your workplace is vigilant about requiring accurate ingredient cards with each dish. Even if you do, depending on the nature of your dietary restrictions and especially if they’re strict, I still might be cautious, because people are notoriously allergy-unaware and far too many people will faithfully write out all the ingredients their cookbook listed for the recipe but not add that they always add their own dash of paprika for color, or claim their lentil soup is vegetarian without thinking to mention they used chicken stock in it.

And that’s before we get into your concern about food safety. Generally if you want to enjoy a potluck, you have to deliberately not think too hard about your coworkers’ hygiene practices or how sanitary their kitchens might be. If sanitation/safety is a hard limit for you, potlucks are a tricky proposition.

Your plan to eat a meal beforehand is good, or you could bring something that you’ll enjoy and that will be filling enough for you even if you don’t eat anything else there.

my employee identifies proudly as a grump

A reader writes:

I manage a small team of creative people and we all have different work styles (as defined during a company-wide professional growth workshop.)

One team member has so strongly identified with her more aggressive and direct work style that I find she is using it as a crutch to excuse bad behavior like having a negative attitude about her work or being short or dismissive of coworkers. “Well, that’s just me. I’m a grump, everyone knows that’s my work style!” she’ll say in a light-hearted way.

We have a casual workplace and I’m friendly with my employees, but I’m finding it difficult to guide her to be more positive without it coming across like, “Don’t be yourself!” or like I’m critiquing her personality instead of it being about a work issue.

I have tried to curb this behavior by saying, “No, we don’t see you that way” when she self-identifies as being a negative person/grumpy/“bad with people.” I’ve praised her when she handles situations the way I would expect (with a collaborative spirit and openness).

My biggest concern is how this is impacting her work and how she interacts with the rest of the team. She has expressed interest to me in being promoted and taking on more responsibility with more creative freedom, but when I have brought opportunities to her to take ownership and have more space for creativity, she has reacted negatively both through her body language (literally frowning and scowling in meetings) and through her commentary and a lot of self doubt and generally defeatist attitude).

I want her to feel supported and I don’t want her to feel like I’m picking on her for what she has embraced as a personality trait but I’m hitting a wall.

I answer this question over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here.

my coworker’s white fragility is getting in the way of DEI discussions, and other questions about race

It’s part two of our discussion with Michelle Silverthorn! Michelle is the founder and CEO of Inclusion Nation, a recognized keynote speaker on inclusion and belonging, and the author of the best-selling book, Authentic Diversity: How to Change the Workplace for Good. Sign up for Monday Mornings with Michelle, her weekly newsletter with practical steps for allyship at work.

She answered one round of questions on Monday and she’s back today to tackle round two. With that, I’m handing it over to Michelle….

1. Should I talk to my boss about the biases I see on our team?

I’m leaving my current position in a few months for graduate school and while I’ve mostly enjoyed the job and been treated well, there are a couple things that I feel could be improved. Namely, some low-key racism that might not be apparent to my supervisor. She’s a liberal, middle-aged white woman, and I’ve noticed in the last two years that the people on our team who get opportunities to speak at conferences, lead meetings, manage projects, and eventually step into leadership roles tend to also be white. We have a very diverse team, so it feels even more apparent when these opportunities go first to white members of the team (I am a woman of color, for the record). While these individuals do end up doing a good job, it feels as if the people of color on the team are missing out on opportunities for career development. I’m also not the only person to have noticed this, another woman of color on my team who was hired recently brought this up during a conversation and wanted my advice.

I would like to maintain a relationship with my supervisor since I respect her insights in our field and I see her as an ongoing mentor, but I feel like I would be remiss if I didn’t make her aware of the optics. Should I bring this up with my boss as I’m leaving and if so, what would be the best way to do that? I want to stress that this is a person who has made an effort to address equity in the work we do so she does care about this issue, but even the most well-intentioned white people can perpetuate racist systems.

I talk a lot about microaggressions, both what to do when you commit them and what to do when you experience them. One of the steps I share for people who experience microaggressions is to ask yourself whether this is the one that you want to speak up about. Many people experience numerous microaggressions every day, week, month depending on where they work and live. We don’t speak up about all of them — we choose when and where and why. Is this person willing to listen? Am I in a position right now where I’m ready to speak? If I am ready to speak, what do I say if they want me to teach them? Will this impact my relationship with this person if I speak up? What will happen to my reputation at this company? What impact will this have on my career? What about other people in my community — what happens if I say nothing? Every one of those considerations can go through someone’s mind before they decide to respond to a microaggression.

Now to you. From the perspective of someone who believes in an inclusive and equitable workplace for everyone, I would love, in a vacuum, if you could have a conversation with this supervisor about the actions she is taking that harm her goal of racial equity. I also think, in the abstract, she would like to be made aware of whether she is making progress toward the goal of racial equity. But conversations don’t take place in a vacuum and people don’t exist in the abstract. Only you can weigh questions like the ones I asked in the first paragraph and decide for yourself where your priorities lie.

The challenge is even more problematic when you are a person of color. It shouldn’t always be on people of color to point out the racism at work. Unfortunately, many times, it is. Many times, nothing will change unless one of us says something. But you and I also know that when people of color speak up about racism, the backlash can be swift and painful. People who we thought were genuinely committed to the work of justice are the ones who push back and say things like, “I don’t see color” and “This has nothing to do with race.” Then you are seen as a troublemaker. As spreading discord. Your competency is doubted. Your ability to rise in the organization is put into question because you’re not a “team player.” It can be difficult for anyone to speak up when they see discrimination, harassment, and racism, but for those of us who don’t enjoy the privilege of having our experiences be believed, it can feel almost impossible.

It is your choice where you balance it. I hope when you look at my favorite legal phrase, “the totality of the circumstances,” your balance tilts in favor of speaking up.

If you do choose to say something, please don’t save it for right when you’re about to leave. If this is a conversation you would like her to listen to, I would have a meeting prior to your departure so you can have any follow-up conversations as needed. I would point out your concerns without naming anyone else without their permission. And if she pushes back or denies, I would emphasize these are your observations, thoughts, and perspectives. Tie the conversation back to what you have seen in her work for equity and point out that you would like to continue supporting her. I always encourage people to speak to the other person’s expressed values when they want to have someone change behavior that is harmful. If she asks for advice, suggest that she start by looking at the data of who gets promotions, what evaluations say about employees of color, and what clients or customers those employees of color have access to. I can’t promise there won’t be pushback from her or repercussions for you. That’s why I urge you to weigh who you are, who this mentor is, and what you’d like to get out of the conversation. But remember. You are leaving. That means you have a certain power and privilege that other people of color still employed at the company do not have. It is your choice how you wield it.

2. Balancing inclusion with getting buy-in on candidates

I’m a manager of a small team within a larger unit, and I’m hiring at least one role and potentially two (both vacancies due to people leaving). Our culture is strong overall, this is the best team I’ve ever worked for, we promote internally, the work is demanding but intellectually stimulating and meaningful, and the pay and benefits are competitive for our sector and region. However, we’re in a very competitive industry in a high cost-of-living city, and our environment is very complex — which means that when we hire people, it’s really important to hire people who want to stay and grow. On-boarding new people is very time-consuming for the whole team, not just the hiring manager, so we try to have strong buy-in from everyone who participates in the interview process.

I recently brought someone in for a second interview with my colleagues from our team’s leadership, and while they agree that he has very strong experience that is aligned and transferable, they are concerned that he won’t have the right orientation / won’t be happy and stay. I’m noticing a pattern that my management colleagues seem to always have a “gut instinct” about candidates who don’t fit the typical identities for our field, and many of the people who departed our larger team in the aftermath of COVID have been women of color in particular. While we know there are no unicorn candidates, we definitely seem more willing to be flexible on the must-haves when the candidate fits a particular profile.

In our leadership team, there is a firm stated commitment to equity, diversity and inclusion, but a lot of variation in people’s alignment with those principles in their day to day work.

How do I balance the need to have buy-in around candidates with the need to advocate for better inclusion? And is my desire to bring in candidates with broader experience and representing more diverse communities at odds with the business needs of our unit (i.e., we have a good sense of the type of candidate who stays and grows, but that candidate looks like the rest of the team). I also don’t want to bring in candidates when the other leaders in our team aren’t convinced, both because I think it’s a crappy thing to join a team where people doubt your abilities and because I don’t want the typical “bumps in the road” during on-boarding to turn into “see! I told you he wasn’t a good fit!”

I’m thrilled that you have found a team that you enjoy working with, that is delivering results, and that provides stimulating and meaningful work for you. I wish that for everyone! However, you also wrote that many of the people who left your team after Covid were women of color. That’s concerning to me. You didn’t share why they left but it appears to me the inference drawn in your letter is that since they didn’t stay, other people with similar identities and backgrounds wouldn’t stay either.

But what else changed in your workplace after Covid that would have led to the departures? Covid was especially devastating for communities of color, for a variety of reasons. The reasons those women left may not have been because of your organization; it could also have been because of a pandemic that was ruining communities, including theirs, and priorities that changed for many people, including them.

What I would like you to do is what I call a Dig Deep Data Dive into your employee base. Ready? Let’s go.

In the past year and a half, what have you noticed about departures? Who else is leaving and why? You can’t rely on exit interviews to tell you all the reasons people are leaving, but what patterns are those departures showing you? When you do your engagement surveys, are you able to break the results down by identity group — as much as you can — to get a better intersectional understanding of how people in each department and at each level feel about this organization? If 90% of people on Team A love this experience, but the 10% of Team A who don’t love it are from a similar identity group, then that tells me more than the 90% who say this is all great.

I also want you to look at the people who you did bring on who may not have fit your ideal candidate slate. You said you were flexible on must-haves. But were your leaders more willing to mentor certain people, socialize with them, train them, give them second chances, or access to work? Looking at your data and the people who were absolute perfect fits, did they all stay? Or did some of them leave as well and why?

Keep going! Let’s do another Dig Deep Data Dive into what it means to have a “firm stated commitment to equity, diversity, and inclusion.” I would love each of those leaders to set out how they walk the talk. It does not, especially in this post-SFFA age, have to always be about hiring. Who are you promoting? What client bases are you working with? What researchers are you using? Who are you sending to conferences? What are you sharing on your social media? Who are your contractors and vendors? What does inclusion look like in product design?

Last Dig Deep. If “gut instinct” matters this much, then give cultural fit a number or a rating during the interview process. Let’s measure how much gut instinct actually matters in the decision process. I rank this person a 10 on cultural fit and here’s why. I rank this person a 6 on cultural fit but a 10 on industry experience and here’s why. I rank this person a 4 on logical reasoning but a 9 on cultural fit and here’s why. And when you have your interview discussions afterward, and someone wants to start with, “Well, I’ll just say what everyone’s thinking,” you instead have the data from these interview reports to counter that.

Please note. I haven’t suggested you change anything at all yet about your culture or your on-boarding process. But I do suggest you evaluate what it means to commit to inclusion at every level of your organization and what actions you can take so if you do hire someone, they can stay and succeed.

3. My coworker’s white fragility is getting in the way of DEI discussions

How does one handle a coworker who gets overly defensive about racism during DEI policy meetings? My company just hired a DEI specialist. I’m in the working group meant to make DEI policy recommendations, along with “Beth,” “Meg,” and “Jo.” So far, the group meetings have involved our specialist “Laurie” having his ideas talked over by Beth the whole time.

Our first meeting, Laurie proposed changing some words in the employee handbook — and Beth launched into a 15-minute speech about how much anti-racist language she uses every day. Our second meeting, Laurie said he was disappointed in low attendance at his anti-racism training — Beth immediately started rambling about how she couldn’t make it due to needing child care, and our company should offer free child care if it really values equity. I’m dreading the third meeting; Beth’s white fragility is pulling all the air out of the room.

Beth is, like me, a white woman who has been here about three years, in a different division. Laurie hasn’t tried to interrupt her, but Laurie’s both the on-paper team lead, and the only entry-level person on the team. He’s also only been here a few months and he’s the only Black man in the ~100-person company, so it’s understandable why he’s been bowled over by Beth.

I recognize the much bigger problem here around leadership hiring a single Black employee and expecting him to fix everything while giving him no power to do so, but I’m trying to focus on the things I can change. So: should I say something to Beth after the next meeting? Should I try to say something during the next meeting? Should I discuss this with Meg (the most senior person on the team) before I go to Beth? Should I talk with my manager? Should I talk to Laurie about all this? Would I be trampling over Laurie if I did any of those?

Oh Laurie. Confession time: I have never liked Little Women because 10-year-old Michelle despised love triangles. And so it has continued 30 years later. (Don’t @ me that it’s not a love triangle. The 10-year-old heart wants what it wants. Also #justiceforamy.)

First, let’s rename Laurie. We’re going to call him T’Challa, another fictional male character who finds himself caught between the love of two rock star women. (Yes, I’m conflating Storm in the comics and Nakia in the movies, I know!) T’Challa needs your support and allyship. The only Black man in a 100-person company? And he’s an entry-level hire in charge of DEI? You and I both can see all the red flags around that one. Please start by talking with T’Challa. Give him the agency to decide what he wants to do when running his meetings. You can share your observations with him, ask him if there’s anything he’d like you to do, and suggest some ways that you could assist. He now has the power to determine what way he would like to go, and he knows that you trust him to lead that work.

One suggestion is for him to set ground rules for discussions: limit sharing time, allow others an opportunity to speak, share ideas in writing prior to the meeting, respond to the questions being asked. Another idea is to rotate who leads the discussion; this would also be helpful so T’Challa doesn’t always feel like he has to generate all of the ideas in this working group. Last, if T’Challa agrees that it would support the work, you could talk directly to Beth in-person or on a phone call. In that conversation, I would say something like this: “I know how much this work matters to you but when you share so much of your own experiences, it distracts us from the main goal of this group which is to provide actionable solutions that T’Challa and our teams can put into place. I want us all to be focused on that.”

my boss is sleeping with my nemesis, I’m about to go on vacation and just used all my PTO on the flu, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My boss is sleeping with my nemesis

I have regular conflict with a team manager, Jane, who is employed at the same level as me in our workplace hierarchy and is sort of my nemesis. She has denied my requests for us to have regular meetings so we can keep on top of co-managing our overlapping projects. Instead of bringing her concerns to me, she consistently escalates these issues directly to my boss, Brian. He usually responds with a directive to me that reflects Jane’s agenda. Jane does not report to him, and I’ve been concerned for some time about the undue level of influence she has with him.

I recently learned Brian and Jane sleeping together, which explains the whole situation. When I “innocently” raised with him that I had noticed a pattern of Jane escalating issues directly to him, he got defensive and stated that it was appropriate that she could, as there is a “dotted line” between them. (She is not in his chain of command, although her area is related to his and mine, so she has reason to consult with both of us.)

I’m feeling sandwiched in a hopeless situation. Part of me has hoped that it will become public so that it can be appropriately managed. And then I realize that it should be being managed appropriately already: Brian is senior enough that he should know better, and already be being highly vigilant about not crossing lines while they’re not being public about it.

I love this job. Everything about it is great except for these two. Leaving is not my first choice. How do I manage this, while their relationship is not public?

I don’t think the other senior people know. And I don’t have the kind of evidence of this affair I would need to bring it to their attention. (The way I know is that a colleague reported to me that another colleague had discovered an intimate voicemail Brian had left for Jane on an office phone; Jane had changed desks and the new occupier of the desk discovered it.)

Yeah, if they’re having an affair, it’s critical that Brian have a firewall between his personal relationship with Jane and his decisions at work.

Any chance you could try talking to Jane about this (not the affair! but about her going around you to Brian) and ask that she bring things like X and Y to you directly so you can figure them out together? Since you’re calling her your nemesis, I’m guessing that might be a no-go for Reasons About Jane, but otherwise it’s worth a shot. Who knows, maybe it’ll shame her into stopping at least some of it … but it sounds likely that Brian is now Her Person and so she sees no reason not to discuss work stuff with him.

If that’s the case, there’s not much else you can do if you’re not willing to escalate it, but I do think you have enough to report it! You’re not a prosecutor who needs evidence to prove a case in a court of law. You have the standing to talk to HR and say, “I’ve noticed Jane seems to have undue influence with Brian in XYZ ways, and I’m concerned that it’s because they have a personal relationship that’s interfering with his objectivity, since there have been indications that they’re romantically involved. I don’t care about that on its own, but I do care if it’s influencing his decisions as my manager and it hasn’t been disclosed.” You’d need to tell them about the voicemail since they’re going to ask why you think that (ideally you’d have your colleague’s permission to share that info, but you don’t need to hide that you were told about it).

In reality, whether or not it’s a good idea to do this depends on how your organization’s HR functions and whether you trust them to ensure there’s no blowback on you from Brian — and that’s a question I’d raise with them explicitly before you share anything else.

2. I’m about to go on vacation — and just used up all my PTO on the flu

I am possibly in a pickle here. I had saved up PTO throughout the year in order to go on a trip for seven (work) days in December, the dates off of which have been approved. Two weeks ago, I got a bad flu and blew though all of my saved up PTO. Now, my trip is in three weeks and I am worried about what my boss is going to say/do about my lack of PTO for my trip. I see some ways that this could go and need your sage advice on what to do:

1. She never mentions it, and I just take the trip unpaid and no need to talk about it.

2. She says that my time off is now not approved since I don’t have PTO — in this instance, I would still be going on this trip that I have thousands of dollars into — but what would I say to her? I can’t control when/how I get sick and this job does not have separate sick time/vacation time (we even are forced to use PTO for holidays).

I have this whole spiel in my head about all of the hard work I have put in this year (with specific examples) and how I have earned this vacation. But I don’t want to seem like a total wad, just saying “I am going no matter what you say.” But basically I will be doing that!

If you’re going on the trip regardless of what your manager says, you’re probably better off just aiming for option #1. I’m not always a fan of “it’s better to ask forgiveness than permission,” but in this case if you’re going regardless, you might as well just do it and hope for the best. However, you’d want to be prepared to be told after the fact that the time will be unpaid (which it sounds like you’re fine with) or for the possibility that they might want to subtract it from your PTO for next year (which you could try pushing back against by proposing taking it unpaid, but they may or may not agree to that).

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3. Doing performance reviews when they’ve been inflated in the past

My boss recently retired and I was promoted to his role. It is now time for performance reviews for my now employees, my former peers. I’m prepared to have productive conversations with them about the past year (I took over right after mid-year reviews), but looking back at past performance reviews, I realized that my former boss was padding the reviews. People were getting “exceeds expectations” (or better) when I know he did not consider their performance all that spectacular. I now want to combat this “inflation” by going back to what I think people honestly earned (meets expectations). I imagine this will be a shock for them. Any advice on how to approach this or am I missing the benefit of inflating performance?

First and foremost, make sure you’re assessing people against clearly defined expectations that they have been aware you have. I say this because you’re new to managing the team, and you can’t fairly evaluate someone based on expectations they didn’t know you had.

Assuming you’ve already gotten aligned about that, the most important thing is to be very transparent about how ratings are set — what “meets expectations” looks like, “what “exceeds expectations” looks like, and so forth. Give concrete examples of what someone performing at each level would be doing and achieving, so that everyone is really clear on the definitions you’re using and how you arrived at them. The more you’re using fair and transparent benchmarks — so people understand very clearly what it would take to move from one level to the next — the better. And have these discussions as far ahead of the actual review process as you can; people shouldn’t be blindsided by hearing about it for the first time when they’re reading their evaluation.

You should also address the change in method head-on: “I know this might be different from how Jane handled reviews. I want to be transparent about how I’m approaching them and why, so you know what to expect and what each rating means.” (Hopefully your company has already done this kind of level-setting — where they define what each rating means — and so you can also say that you’re aligning your team’s process with the larger company one. Speaking of which: make sure you are in alignment with your company on this.)

Last, make it clear that you’re open to feedback on their reviews, and that if you’re missing anything or don’t have context for something, you want to hear that. Performance reviews should ideally always be a discussion of some sort, but that’s especially important when you’ve only been managing them for part of the year and really might not have all the context.

4. Should I ask my manager if I was going to be laid off?

I have been working on the finance team at my company for two years. When I started it was a four-person team, and the workload was manageable. But six months after I started, two of my teammates quit, leaving me and the head of the department just when we were heading into a forecast and an audit at the same time. I had to take on many completely new responsibilities on top of my regular workload, and consequently made several mistakes that really frustrated my manager. I was reduced to tears at a few points during this period.

That said, my review at the beginning of this year went well. My manager mentioned my mistakes but acknowledged that I was very green and it was an impossible workload for both of us. By the time of my review, we had hired two more people. But six months later, one of these new teammates was laid off.

My question is whether I should ask my manager at the next review if I was ever considered for the layoff instead of my teammate. I do have seniority, but just a few days before the termination, my manager scheduled a one-on-one with me, which disappeared off of my calendar two days later. What do you think?

Don’t do it. First, if you were considered for a layoff, it’s very unlikely that your boss would tell you that; layoff discussions are typically very confidential (and she might not even know if you had been considered), and you’d be putting her on the spot in an awkward way.

Second, I can’t see what you’d have to gain by that conversation even if she did tell you the truth! Sometimes people want to know things like this because it makes them feel more in control of the situation … but even if she did tell say you’d been considered for the layoff, it wouldn’t mean anything about your job security now. People are laid off for all kinds of reasons and it’s often not about performance at all; in your coworker’s case, it could have been as simple as “last in, first out.”

5. Holidays that fall on Fridays, when I don’t work Fridays

I am an exempt, salaried employee and I work a four-day week (I have Fridays off). This year, due to the way Christmas and New Year’s holidays fall, my company’s paid holidays will include a couple Fridays. I asked what the procedure was for me to take those holidays and it was requested I just work eight hours less those weeks. Is that … allowed? What’s the protocol for holidays that fall outside your usual schedule but that the company offers as paid in our handbook?

It’s allowed! There’s no requirement in the U.S. that workers get any paid holidays or holidays off at all, so companies can handle them pretty much however they want. But in your case, if I’m understanding your letter correctly, they’re saying that the way you’ll “get” the holiday is by getting a different day off that week — so like your coworkers, you get a paid day off; it’s just not on Friday because you’re already off on Fridays. That’s actually an ideal way of handling it. Some companies’ policy is that if a holiday falls on your day off, you just don’t get holiday time at all — which is also allowed, but this is much better!

my awful coworker’s employees want me to help them

A reader writes:

My counterpart — let’s call him John — and I each manage workers who are part of various teams in the same department. Some of John’s employees recently approached me with concerns about his management style. From what I can gather, after being moved to these employees’ team to “help them out” (he ran out of stuff to do and gets moved around often), John began demanding the team go against their client’s standards at the tail-end of production. The newer guys went along with it, but the more experienced ones pointed out the obvious — they can’t do that. Not only did John use this to pit team members against each other and then gaslight them, but he also forbade them from speaking to his boss about any issues. (Which I assume is why they’re talking to me instead of John’s and my mutual boss. I don’t have authority over anyone involved.)

I know his employees are telling the truth because unfortunately, John did shockingly similar things to me and my team earlier this year … right down to leveling the same wild accusations at me when I finally called him out in a one-on-one meeting (he used the exact same personal accusations and insults in both situations, which creeps me out). There were other identical toxic behaviors, but ultimately, according to John, the only problem is that everyone else has a bad attitude and no one appreciates all his experience. (For context, we’re all about the same age with similar technical expertise. The only difference is John and I went the management route in recent years.)

I never fully told our boss everything that had gone on between me and John because I didn’t fully understand what was going on. Instead, I just sat with him and talked it out, not letting him get away with the bogus blame-casting and subject-changing, pointing out where he had crossed some big boundaries and caused chaos on my usually peaceful team. After 1.5 hours of the aforementioned ego-throwing and wild accusations, he finally backed down and even apologized. Things cooled off for our whole team after that talk, then he got moved to another team. (Though if I’m being honest, I suspected he was unstable and lost my former respect and trust in him.)

At the time, I was completely shocked at his behavior but believed he had legitimately misunderstood me, our team, and our project. I also thought perhaps this sprang from some kind of personal stress. He had mentioned he “gets enough attitude at home and doesn’t need it at work” (ha!) and since I’m a woman, I wondered if he was projecting wife-problems on me. But now, hearing he’s done all the exact same things and said all the same words, this time to men who he actually has authority over, it appears this is simply what John does to get his way.

And I know his tactics work because, to my shame, I’ve defended him over the years when people casually complained about him (starting back before I was a manager). I just couldn’t see him doing the things people were describing. He was too nice and calm of a guy. While our mutual boss said she always gets complaints that he’s a micromanager, she still thinks that’s just a misunderstanding.

In short: John is a smooth operator until he’s really, really not. Since his employees were too scared to go to his boss about his bullying management style, last week I just went to her and explained everything that’s been going on. In response, she talked with a couple of the involved team members, then John, then called their entire team in for a meeting — along with her own boss.

My boss used this meeting to defend John and all his actions, told them that none of what they thought happened actually happened (OMG), and they just needed to respect John’s role more.

To me it seems my boss has been successfully manipulated by John, and she’s not exactly known for being bold or dependable besides. If anything, the team is now more upset and more unified against John than ever. For my part, I think I have to drop it (right?) — but when it definitely happens again, it would kill me to watch my boss flop yet again. How does this realistically get resolved?

Ooooh. Yeah, this is bad — and your boss bears at least as much responsibility for that as John does!

If you hadn’t described your boss as “not exactly known for being bold or dependable,” I’d suggest you go back to her and talk again. If you didn’t already spell out that John previously snookered you too, I’d suggest doing that now, to make it clear that he has a pattern of covering up problems and hiding how he really behaves, and explicitly state that you think he is intentionally hiding things from her now.

But you don’t have a good boss. And you already tried one conversation, and she wildly mishandled it. What she said in her meeting with John’s team is likely to drive the problems further underground; she will have confirmed for John’s employees that he’s untouchable and they’re not likely to get any help from above him.

So yeah, you don’t have many options at this point. You tried! You brought the information to the right person. Unfortunately, the “right person” isn’t willing or equipped to do anything about it.

Before you drop it entirely, though: Do you have the ear of anyone senior to your boss? If you happen to have a great relationship with her boss, for example, and trust that person to act on the information more appropriately, that’s the one avenue that’s still open. You’d need to proceed with caution, because your boss has shown she’s really bad at this stuff … but if her boss happens to be good at it and you trust them to ensure you’re protected from fall-out, you could have a very direct, very discreet conversation with them about what you’re seeing. But if that person hasn’t shown you that they’re a safe route to take — actively shown you that, not just “hasn’t done anything horrible that I’ve seen” — then the risk to you could be awfully high, since your manager would likely see it as you directly undermining her management decisions, and I wouldn’t recommend it.

If that’s not a safe, viable route, then you’re pretty much at the limit of what you personally can do to help. You gave it a shot using the options that are available, but ultimately whether or how it gets addressed isn’t up to you. You were right to try to step in if you could, but from here it’s up to others. That’s a frustrating answer, I know.

What you can do, though, is look for other ways to support John’s team. Can you be a discreet sounding board to any who you particularly trust (just be sure to steer carefully here so that you don’t end up looking to your boss like you’re undermining John), champion their work to others and raise their visibility in the organization more broadly (which may put them in a better position to escape John), offer to be a reference for other jobs, and otherwise use your influence to help them? Realistically, that might be all you can do from here.

this is how to be a good interviewer

So, you’ve been asked to interview someone, and you’re not sure where to start. Maybe it’s your first time on the interviewer’s side of the desk, or maybe you’ve hired before with less than desirable results. Maybe you’ve been faced with bad interviewers yourself and you want to avoid making someone else suffer through that — or you want to ensure you don’t inflict bad hires on your colleagues.

So, you’ve been asked to interview a job candidate, and you’re not sure where to start. Maybe it’s your first time on the other side of the desk, or maybe you’ve overseen hires in the past with less than desirable results. Maybe you’ve faced bad interviewers yourself, and you want to avoid making someone else suffer through that — or you want to ensure you don’t inflict inept new colleagues on your team. Here’s a primer on how to interview effectively and make the right hire.

1. Don’t wing it.

If you’ve ever interviewed for a job where your interviewer seemed unprepared — like they weren’t at all familiar with your resume or clearly hadn’t put much thought into the questions they asked — you know how frustrating that is for candidates. It’s a bad idea for other reasons too: namely that your chances of hiring the best person for the job plummet if you don’t put time into preparing first. If you only rely on informal, unstructured conversations, you’re much more likely to hire based on gut feel (“I just really liked that person”) than on any kind of rigorous assessment. That also introduces a lot of possibility for bias and discrimination in your process, even if unconsciously.

2. Get clear on your must-have qualifications.

It might sound obvious: When you’re hiring, you need to know what qualifications you’re looking for. But hiring managers often don’t do the serious reflection needed to distinguish the true must-have qualifications from those that are merely nice to have or not relevant at all. The most obvious example of this are job postings that require college degrees for work that doesn’t really require a degree at all. (Does your communications manager really need a bachelor’s degree? Or does she need great writing and social-media skills, along with a track record of getting stories placed?) But you see this with other things too, like interviewers who deduct points for shyness for jobs that don’t require an outgoing personality, or screeners who reject people over typos for jobs that require little written communication.

You should also be thoughtful about what qualities would be hard to teach in the amount of time you have available (like critical thinking, meticulousness, or initiative) and what skills are feasible for the right person to learn on the job (like expertise in a particular software).

3. Figure out how you’ll assess your must-have’s.

Once you have a clear idea of the essential skills, experiences, and qualities required for the job, your primary goal in an interview is to find out how well the candidate matches up with that list. That means you need to devise interview questions that really probe the candidate for the traits and experiences you’re interested in. In doing this, be sure to focus on the candidate’s actual experience, rather than hypotheticals. Don’t ask, “How do you think you’d handle X?” Instead, ask how the person has actually handled X, or situations close to it, in the past. It’s easy for candidates to come up with good answers to questions about how they think they might act. You’ll get much more useful insight if you instead delve into how they have actually operated.

4. Ask follow-up questions.

Once you’ve figured out what you want to ask candidates, you’ll have a starting point for questions, but it’s crucial that you don’t see that list as your complete interview script. To interview well, you’ll need to go beyond surface-level answers and explore the nitty-gritty of how a candidate thinks and operates. To do that, you’re going to need to listen to what they say and ask a lot of follow-up questions based on what you hear. For example: “X sounds like it would have been an obstacle — how did you approach that?” “Was it successful?” “What was most challenging?” “How did you navigate that?” “What happened after that?” “What would you do differently if you were doing it again?”

5. See candidates in action.

In addition to direct questioning, it’s crucial to create ways to see candidates in action during your hiring process. That way you’re not relying on their telling you what they can do, but are actually observing them do it. You can’t effectively assess candidates through interview questions alone; you also need to employ exercises and simulations so you can evaluate their real work.

For example, you might have applicants for communications positions write a press release for a fake event, have a would-be analyst research and summarize their findings about a piece of legislation, or ask prospective assistants to role-play a tricky situation. (It’s important that you don’t use any of this work for real unless you pay for it; it’s for assessment purposes only.)

Often in doing this, you’ll find that a person with an impressive résumé and polished interviewing skills isn’t as good a fit as they had appeared. You also might find the reverse — that a candidate performs better than you had expected them to based on their résumé.

6. Put people at ease.

Many — or even most — candidates are likely to be nervous, since interviews are after all high-pressure situations where applicants know they’re being judged. To the extent that you can, it’s smart to look for ways to put people at ease. You want to find out what each person will be like to work with day-to-day, which might be very different from their “interview mode.” So be warm and friendly and try to talk to them the way you would any other colleague.

7. Don’t ask inane questions.

The internet abounds with suggestions for silly interview questions, including things like “If you were a candy, what type would you be?” and “What’s in your Netflix queue right now?” Don’t do it. Questions that carry you so far afield won’t get you useful information, will throw a lot of candidates off, and will irritate even more of them. Keep your questions focused on your scorecard.

8. Know that bias is a real thing — and work to combat it.

As an interviewer, you have a responsibility to actively work to combat bias in yourself and your colleagues as you assess candidates. Most of us are drawn to candidates who remind us of ourselves or whom we’d feel comfortable getting a beer with, but this can blind you to people’s weaknesses or to other candidates’ strengths. And unsurprisingly, this is how companies end up with a staff that lacks diversity.

Being vigilant about assessing all candidates against the same list of must-haves can help mitigate some of the biases that creep into the interviewing process, but it’s also worth doing things like taking the (free) Harvard Implicit Association Tests and learning about how bias plays out even among well-intentioned interviewers. You should also be thoughtful about how your process itself might discriminate against certain candidates; for example, if you expect applicants to complete a lengthy assessment exercise over the weekend or with little notice, you might be screening out people with evening shifts, small children, or other care-giving responsibilities.

9. Commit to truth in advertising.

It’s natural to want to present your organization and the job you’re hiring for in the best light, but it’s crucial that candidates have a thorough and realistic understanding of what they’d be signing up for: the job, the organization, the culture, the manager, and the people. Resist any temptation to downplay less appealing aspects of the job (like long hours, tedious assignments, or difficult clients). In fact, be proactive about disclosing those things. Otherwise you’ll end up with a hire who feels misled — and who might not stick around.

10. Realize candidates are assessing you as much as you’re assessing them.

Some interviewers approach interviewing as if they hold all the cards and will then treat candidates in ways they’d never treat, say, clients — like by starting the meeting very late, checking email and taking calls throughout, or being dismissive or even hostile. But good candidates have options, and they’ll be assessing you right back. They’ll pay attention to things like how respectfully you treat them, whether you’re focused or distracted, how interested you are in answering their questions (and whether your answers sound thoughtful or canned), whether you can clearly describe how you’ll measure success in the role, and how they see you interact with colleagues during the hiring process. So, as you’re deciding which candidate to choose, don’t forget that they must choose you as well.

Originally published at New York Magazine.

my boss wouldn’t work with me because she was upset I adopted from foster care

A reader writes:

I work in higher education, and something happened to me at my last job that never sat right with me.

I was hired at a large research university to work in a specialized program providing one-on-one support for students. I was a tutor, and all the tutors in my center had terminal degrees and many years experience teaching at the college level. The person who hired me was our boss at the tutoring center, Amelia. Other than her, we had no direct supervisor and sometimes went whole semesters without much communication from any other adult at the college. Literally, we only saw students on a regular basis.

Amelia was someone I had considered a friend before we worked together. We weren’t close, but we have a mutual friend who we are both very close to, and Amelia and I had hung out socially four or five times before I was hired. This was all fine.

However, three years after I was hired, my husband and I adopted a teenager from foster care. I let Amelia know because it was a huge life event for me and my position offered no maternity leave and limited sick time. Amelia had been in the foster care system and had a rough go of it (the foster care system in the U.S. is horrifying, and our adoption does not mean that my husband and I support its policies in any way). She told me outright that she couldn’t spend any more time with me because hearing about my adoption process or even just the fact of my daughter was too difficult for her. I respected that.

Amelia didn’t just stay away from me outside of work, though. She basically abandoned the tutoring center, focusing on other aspects of her job so much so that the other tutors and I often didn’t see her for the entire academic year, and just turned to whoever if we had a question or needed something.

I worked there for eight years, and only saw her maybe four more times in person in the last five years I was there — so maybe two hours total. Once or twice a difficulty between tutors arose and she would come in to try to sort it out, but without any context whatsoever. I got along well with almost every single person I worked with over the years, except for one tutor who stayed for less than a year and who I found very difficult to work with, and had an excellent relationship with faculty and the program director.

When I asked for a reference after more than eight years, Amelia refused to give me one, saying I did not work well with others. The other tutors were shocked.

I did move on and am in a position I’m happy with now, but I never really got over this. It was a huge blow after eight years; even though my Big Boss gave me a great recommendation it was just … hard and made me question a lot of things about myself.

Is this a case in which I was discriminated against as a person from a protected class (a mother)? Or just a hard thing because I know what trauma does to people and I just feel bad for my boss? I don’t know.

No, this isn’t okay!

Look, the foster system is a sickening mess (and I say that as someone who has fostered kids); it often makes kids’ situations worse, and very little about it is designed in their best interests. There’s a ton of data showing kids on the whole do worse in foster care than they would if they stayed with family. It’s deeply, deeply upsetting.

But Amelia can’t completely abandon a central function of her job because of that — ever, really, but especially not when she manages a team and her abdication will affect her employees in such significant ways. I’m sure she knew this at some level because presumably she didn’t go to her boss and say, “My employee’s adoption from foster care is so painful for me that I’m not going to interact with that team anymore” because presumably she knew that wouldn’t fly. She just … did it on her own, and that wasn’t okay. It wasn’t fair to you or the rest of your team, and it wasn’t fair to the organization that thought she was still doing the job they had hired her for. (I’d argue the organization shares some of the blame, too, since they apparently had no checks and balances that would alert them that this was happening, and apparently no one ever checked in on your team or thought to create communication channels that would ensure they’d hear about something like this happening.)

As for Amelia refusing to give you a reference and saying you didn’t work well with others … that’s awful. I suppose it’s possible you really didn’t work well with others — I have no way of knowing — but I don’t see how she could conclude that, since she completely stopped interacting with you and all the other feedback you got was positive. (And if there were any truth to it, it would be an indictment of her too, since it would have been her responsibility to address it with you as your manager and she didn’t.) It would be bad enough for Amelia to simply decline to be a reference — you shouldn’t lose out on a reference simply because your boss found your daughter’s adoption too painful, so that’s yet another way this situation was unfair and wrong — but to then tack on a made-up reason is really unjust. It would have been better — although still problematic — for her to simply decline.

As for the possibility of this being illegal discrimination: Parents aren’t a protected class at the federal level, although some states do have laws protecting parents from discrimination, and you might live in one. But rather than pursuing it from a legal angle, if you had written to me at the time I’d have suggested bringing the situation to someone over Amelia’s head, like her own boss. It’s pretty likely they would have intervened — although whether that would have resulted in a better situation for you or not depends on how skilled and involved that person was. Ideally they would have made it clear to Amelia that she couldn’t just go AWOL and talked to her about whether she felt she could still do the job or not … and then, if she did, ensured she returned to managing you and did it fairly and objectively. But if they weren’t a very skilled manager themselves, it might have just resulted in Amelia being more involved in ways that made your life worse, rather than better — present as required, but letting her feelings affect the way she managed you.

Ultimately, the two things you asked about at the end of your letter can both be true at once: we can feel empathy for Amelia because she went through something awful that she still carries with her, and she also treated you really unfairly. Those two things intertwine in complicated ways, but you’re on solid ground if you look at this and say, “This was wrong, and I deserved better.”